RE Broadcast of Tom Reilly Historian an author of the protector the fall and rise of Oliver Cromwell

Catch the re play of Tom Reilly , historian and author as he discusses his book about Oliver Cromwell.

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Hey everyone, welcome to another night of Rip Paranormal and Friends.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
But we have a special guest for everyone tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
He's a historian and author of The Protector, The Fall
and Rise of All Our Cromwell, So please welcome Tom.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Right into the show. Thanks for coming. You're welcome, Like,
what time is it there? Like, okay, I thought it
was probably around one or two in the mornings.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
So so thank you for staying up and joining us.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And this is awesome. I wouldn't be able to do it.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
I'm in bed by like eight or nine o'clock at night,
so as soon as I I am.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
A very busy person. Yes, but let's kind of go
ahead and dive into your book.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Can you give us a little bit of background on it?
How did you get interested with Oliver Cromwell?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
What's the history of this?

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
No, oh, just one one second?

Speaker 8 (03:49):
One of the yep, one of the listeners said, the
sound is kind of choppy here for you, So I'm
going to see if I can fix it real quick.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, I think they're having an issue hearing you. Like,
so I'm just gonna check our settings real quick, just
to make sure. Why don't you go ahead and try
something here real quick, just a test test.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, Like Mary had a little lamb kind of thing. Yeah,
fleece with the whitest snow. Everywhere that Mary went, that
lamb was sure to go. How does that come across, Matt?

Speaker 4 (04:32):
How was that? We'll see let's go ahead.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
I see it moving down here on the bottom, and
it was doing it when I was talking to so Okay, yep,
he said, it's good to go.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
All right.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, thanks Matt, thank you.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
He's always got our back.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I love Matt. I wish I couldn't remember the question. No,
I'm joking.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Don't ask me because I probably wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Ready, it's okay, something to do with the bo Yeah, your book, Yeah,
I know. Yeah, looking very good to ask me that
straight off the bat. It is one of those things
that you know, Oliver Cromwell is not a name that
would roll easily off a tongue over there. He's a
huge figure in Western Europe. You know, he affected history

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over here. He was around in the mid seventeen sorry, yeah,
seventeenth century. And in Ireland, of course he's seen as
a genocidal maniac, whereas in view, Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah.
So you know, there are actually about eighty million people

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in the Irish diaspora. That's eight zero million who you
know claim Irish ancestry, and I think probably I don't
know what the exact figure is, but something like seventy
nine million blah blah, believe that Oliver Cromwell was a
general settlemaniac. I'm very much in the minority, so it's

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not so much a case of I've just written this
book about a guy. You know, it's casual. It's extremely
controversial book, and we might get into that at some statue.
We don't have to. But it's just that people who
are Irish just see him as the devil incarnate came
over to my country, killed all my ancestors and then left,

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and then that's the legacy that Britain has left or
the UK has left here. So the way this place
that we're there, you know, we're the Republic of Ireland.
We're next door to England and we are very close.
I don't know if you know, but there's something like
one hundred and ninety two nations in the United Nations

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and England has invaded one hundred and seventy of them.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Oh wow, my gosh.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, so we're just right next door. So as I
say so, we would have been in the in the
front line, and you know, they tried to suppress us
for so long. It's very difficult looking back from you know,
this distance with twenty first century eyes. Things happened all
the time ago, because we can't really judge, to be honest,

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you know, it's kind of like a different planet, and
you know, the economic, political, religious, social, you know, dimensions
were all very different and we were not really equipped
to look back and judge. So that's my opinion. So yeah,
I discovered this guy mainly because, by the way, I
will keep talking, you're gonna have to jump in some sets, because.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
That's it's perfectly fine. I love to hear it all.
So I'm sunking it in.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, So where I'm sitting right now is a place
called Drahada, and that's in County loud in Ireland. And
then that particular town is very closely associated with Cromwell
because he came to my town and apparently he killed
everybody here. So I've discovered, which is the reason for
the book and other books that I've written about this,

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is that that's not true. He certainly came here and
he certainly killed a lot of people, but it was
in a military context. But his yeah, his reputation and
the verdict of history is that he involved you know,
the ordinary, you know, like babies, toddlers, teenagers, pensioners, uncles, aunts,

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granny's granddads, and you know, in the conflict, and the
evidence points very much in the direction that he didn't.
So he's an extremely interesting, extremely controversial, extremely divisive figure.
Very you know, he's a household name without question in
these islands. And I'm trying to correct a miscarriage of

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historical justice and trying to right a wrong.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, he was a general, wasn't he.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Absolutely, yeah, he was. He. He came from nowhere. He
didn't do anything extraordinary in the first forty three years
of his life because there was nothing really to who,
you know, take his attention. And then the Civil War
broke out between the king and Parliament, and there's the
whole big two sides where you know, the usual story

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where fathers fight against sons and brothers fight against brothers
and you know, and that's true. You know of one
particular family who you know that definitely happened in So yeah,
it's you know, he didn't do anything significant. But then
when it suddenly he's forty three and the Civil War
breaks out, he realizes that he has an exceptional talent

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for military you know, tech. He was a great military tactician,
military tactics were something without training. So he rose to
the ranks and he became He was a general for
quite an amount of time, and then he eventually became
so closely associated with the army that he was the

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one who suddenly seemed to have the power because they
had killed the king. They chopped the head off the king,
something that do back in days. He's an irritant, so
let's get rid of him, you know. And there is
an interesting story if you allow me to tell you
just and it's kind of linked to the whole team

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of what you guys do. Okay, So when Cromwell died,
his body was unburied by the royalists, so they came back.
He killed the king, and then when his republic didn't succeed,
the king's son come back to the throne and he

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decided to take Cromwell's body and dig it up and
just as an act of vengeance, and they home drew
and quartered the dead body, and then the head was
chopped off. So the head was erected on a pike
at Westminster Hall in London, and would you believe it

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stayed there on railings for about twenty years.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, now that that's you can imagine, and everybody kind
of knows it's Cromwell's head because he had become, you know,
head of state, he'd become the Lord Protector, so you know,
and London wasn't really a huge place in those days,
so he was you know, people who were walk buying,
Oh there's Cromwell. What's the weather going to be like today?
You know? And so it was a thing, you know.

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And so a storm came along anyway, make a long
story longer, and they the head broke off, and the
railing and the pike was still through the head. But
there was a soldier who was on duty below and
he saw the head and he what I do with this?
So he just tucked it under his coat and he
brought it home. But then the next day there was

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a reward and put out for you know, where's Cromwell's head?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
What?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
You know, what's good? Yeah, we need this back. This
is absolutely true, you know. And so the guy panics
and he goes, oh, God, well, you know, I can't.
I can't. I'm not gonna you know, you said, ok it,
because I could get in trouble anyway. Weeks past, months, past, years, past,
and he dies and he bequeathed the head to his daughter.

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Now his daughter just thinks, okay, I'm going to sell
Cromwell's head, and she does. She sells the head, and
over hundreds of years, the head, believe it or not,
goes around on a journey museums circuses.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, there's a guy in the mid nineteenth century called
Samuel Russell who gets his hands on it and he
hands it around at dinner parties where people might pick
off a piece of the ear or a piece of
the nose. This is googleable, by the way. If you
put in you know, Cromwell's head spike, you'll see an
actual picture of this. Oh my, absolutely the case. I

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don't know whether you can do it now where they
can do it later. So, and it's very clear, and
it didn't decay ina as much as you would think
over the time. I'm coming to the kicker, by the way,
so just bear with me.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
You're fine, it's perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's interesting, yeah, and I'll tell you why in a second.
There's a very interesting dimension. So anyway, by the nineteen
thirties it comes into the possession of a family called Wilkinson,
and their UK based and they decided to do some
tests on the head just to see because you know,
is it Cromwell's head? Is it now Cromwell's head? So

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with the technology that they had in those days, you know,
with paintings that they had of Cromwell and the fact
that he had warts he had won on his chin,
he one in his eye socket, and they found, you know,
exactly where the warts would have been. So yes, they
concluded that this was Cromwell's head. So now what are
we going to do with it? So they taught and

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they taught, and by nineteen sixty they decided, because this
is a different generation now of the family, they decided, okay,
we're going to get this buried. So they buried the
head with the permission of the college that Cromwell went to,
called City me Sussex and Cambridge in England. And only
the dean of the college knows where the head is buried.

(14:07):
But Alison, that head wasn't buried until March nineteen sixty.
And I was born in March nineteen sixty. Oh my gosh,
so am I Oliver Cromwell.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Maybe maybe you are, you could be, you could be
Henry birth you know, you never know, well incardinated.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, and it's been said, you know, it's been suggested.
You know. I'm on the fence about a lot of things,
you know, but I like to stay open, you know.
And again, I know we're going to get into stuff,
but I you know, my mind is because in fairness,
who knows, you know, throughout history, has there really and

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this is a kind of a rhetorical question, but has
there ever been anybody who can prove something, you know,
in the spirit of a normal world or the supernatural world,
that it did, that it exists or it doesn't exist?
Has there anybody ever done that?

Speaker 2 (15:07):
You know?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And you could say that about God too, of just
throwing into God thing, you could say that too, you know.
So so so I'm not gonna so I'm not gonna
say with any conviction that such a thing is absolutely
the case, because I'm not that arrogant.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
You know, Kim Kim did look it up? Is that.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Cool?

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah? That is insane.

Speaker 7 (15:30):
There's literally a I saw a picture of a guy
standing next to it too.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Mmmm. Isn't it incredible?

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:37):
That's just I mean, how would it be for a
child to walk by that? Like I couldn't even you know,
children today. Yeah, oh my gosh, they wouldn't be able
to tolerate that.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, they couldn't. But you know it's even more odd
and I know this is crazy. If it's absolutely the case,
is that the town in which I live, we are
best known is another head and it's another Oliver. And
this is.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Children.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
But if anybody's called Oliver, by the way, it's a
lovely name.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
It name, It is a nice name.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
But yeah, don't lose your head exactly. And this is
so again. This guy was in he was a Catholic
bishop and he was persecuted again in those times. He
was he actually lived in a different just immediately after Cromwell,
but he was beheaded as well. And that head, because

(16:38):
when you talk about children looking, that head is a
massive tourist attraction in this town. It's in a box.
And again, if you want to google this, it's very
easily done. His name is Oliver Plunkett, so it's it's
Saint Oliver Plunkett. And that the name you put in.
Maybe you just put in the word head and trust me,
put in Google images and he will come up. And

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that's what this is known for. We have pilgrimages from
all over well, all over Ireland particularly, Yeah, and again
yeah that's it. Yeah, my goodness. Yeah, so it's all
about the heads.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Remind me not to come learn?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Just kidding, just what would you say? You know, that's
the problem. Wasn't with the head, it was with the mouth.
Whatever these guys said got them in trouble, you know,
yea mind your absolutely absolutely Yeah, terrible times though.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Now was it said that he haunts his home?

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh? Yes, good question, Yeah, well you can. You know.
One of the things that I often kind of relate
to is the fact that we in this part of
the world have a history that goes back so far,
you know, with respect to you guys in what we
call the New World, and you know, maybe if it's

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two hundred years old, it's old, you know, but here,
you know, I'm you know, inhabiting buildings that are thousands
of years old, and they speak of the walls, kind
of speak of you know, history, legacy, ghosts, spirits, all
that kind of thing. It's very easy to get into
that frame of mind. And you know, I can't really

(18:21):
get across to you how you know, to the vibe
that you know that like Okay, we have modern buildings,
of course, but we've got castles all over the place anyway. Yeah,
Cromwell's house does exist still, the house he actually lived in,
which is a remarkable thing because it's exactly today as
it would have been, you know, back in those days.

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So yeah, and the stories go there was I believe
a paranormal investigation took place there, I think two thousand
and three around then, but the local paranormal investigation and
team from Cambridge, and yes, they encountered Cromwell's He he's
he's known to have. There's a little bit of ambiguity,

(19:03):
like there always is with these things, where we're not
sure exactly what he said to this lady allegedly, but
he's supposed to have given a supported message to her,
you know, and that's all all very intriguing. But yeah,
you know as well. I don't know if you're familiar
with the word pooka p u c a.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yes, I have heard that, yes, yes, yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
They would be again allegedly, you know, sort of scallywag
spirits or you know, rogues, and in that house, this
staff it's now a visitor attraction. I should clarify that
because people come from far and white to see how
over Cromwell lived. The staff consistently and far too many

(19:50):
times for it to be a coincidence have their laces,
their shoelaces opened by spirits. So yeah, it's it's a
remarkable thing, you know. You know, probably maybe four or
five times a day they look down and they go, oh,
there they go again, you know. And there was also
a lady in this house who used to stay there

(20:11):
in the seventies and nineteen seventies who during the one
of her overnight stays, she encountered, you know, a significant
male presence that came across wrong. Do you know what
I mean? That wasn't where it was going.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of people can encounter significant male
presences during the night, but this was different because you know,
there's a feeling that that one gets depending on one's conditioning,
I suppose. And she also encountered a very very very
pungent smell. And anyway, the next day she woke up

(20:47):
on her arms were all red. You know. So there's
something going on in that house that I'd love to
have explained. But it's it's it's probably my favorite part
of the world. I love that house.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh so you've had some paranami experiences yourself.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Now, that's an excellent question. I see back in the
when I was much younger, and lots of things happen
in my life that that led me to change tack,
if you know what I mean. I remember I used
to think that for years that I had seen a
leprochan Yeah, and that's you know, so, but then you know,

(21:24):
as you get older, you get a lot more cynical,
and you think, all on a second, was that not
just my childhood imagination? And you know I also for
a lot of my week I inhabit a castle. So yeah,
so yeah, And while other people in the castle have

(21:46):
encountered or had experiences, I've never had a direct experience.
We again, we had a paranormal investigation about three years
ago now. But it's it's kind of you know, hair
is standing up on the back of your arms moments
where you're standing in a room and there are people
who who they're seers if you like, I don't know

(22:08):
how to explain, but they Yeah, I mean one stage,
the lady says to me, she's interviewing me, and there's
you know, there's technology around, there's a camera and there's microphone,
and you know, it's all very contemporary and modern. And
then she she just says something like freeze, don't move.
There's a lady, a white lady, standing behind you, you know,
and I'm kind of going, okay, do I turn around

(22:31):
to not turn around?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Do I say lo?

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And but then she disappeared, and so there's so there.
So no is the short answer that I have never
had an experience, and you know, but the whole thing
intrigues me because I would I would love And you know,
also in the sound when when they played stuff back
to me, you know, yeah, you could discern words that

(22:55):
were coming out of I don't know where they came from,
but because they weren't recorded when I was talking, but
they were coming from, you know, potentially another dimension. And
you know that's that's pretty scary. We have a Sorry,
I know I talk a lot.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
But we have Oh, you're perfectly fine, this is all
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, we've got a resident ghost. If you like that,
I'd love to meet. Yeah, it's it's mainly because you know,
I walk the same rooms she would have walked. I,
you know, go to the same kitchen. I walk into
her bedroom. I go up our house the stairs. She
would have traversed. But she was a very strong swimmer.

(23:39):
And we have when when she died, which is just
just about to tell you about. We have the coroner's
report from yeah, eighteen fifty two. Oh wow, it's incredible
the detail and we know that this is what happened
because coroners don't lie and witnesses were called. She was
a strong swimmer. Where the castle is just the rish seed,

(24:00):
it's literally there on the coast. So she went down
in November and now it's cold. I don't know what
it's like. You're part of the world when in November. Yeah,
so it's not the kind of thing you just, you know,
you go down and have a swim in the sea.
But she was strong, so she did and her maid
was with her as usual because you know, these these

(24:22):
people had money. If you own a castle in those days,
you know you had a few books. So she stood
in the sea. And this is what I think is
so poignant because we know exactly what our last words were,
because the maid tells us. And so she says to
the maid, do you think the sea is any stronger
than the day before? Where it was very strong, and
the maid says, no, it's about the same, so be careful.

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And her last words were there is no fear. So
with that a wave came took her away out she drowned,
and they brought her body back up to the castle
not far from where I am now, and tried to
revive the body with hot water. They thought, you know, foolishly,
that could that could bring her back. It didn't, and

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she had two children. And this is the whole story
now because post death they had to bring her back
up steps. And again if anyone's inclined to google this,
it's called now these are called the ladies stairs. So
the lady apparently looks for her children. And local people

(25:32):
will not go near there that place at night Halloween,
stay away, you know. And people have seen the white
lady who I mentioned earlier, who was apparently standing behind me,
and you know, all over the castle on different occasions.
Me Unfortunately, I hear creeks. I hear, you know, because

(25:54):
wood creeks. I hear things, and I just love to
be able to tell you candidly and honestly that I
have had experiences like that, but I just haven't. I
don't know, you know why.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Some people do, some not.

Speaker 9 (26:09):
But I can tell you that we had a guest
on one time, and we actually had one of our
listeners contact me and said, hey, you need to go
back and listen to this time.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
There's somebody talking underneath.

Speaker 10 (26:23):
You while you're having your conversation.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
It was a man's voice. There's no man here, but
it was very bizarre. I couldn't explain.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
It, but I like Kim's little chukka there. That was very.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Interesting, just like the voice we had before we came on.
Oh yeah, this was really weird too.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
We were getting ready to put our headphones in and
heard we heard a guy and I'm like I looked
at Kim and she's.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Like, uh, and I'm like, I.

Speaker 10 (26:53):
Don't know what that was, but okay, and there's nobody.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh my gosh. So we've got company.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
We have company time.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, we've got to watch our p's and q's then,
you know. Yeah. So you know, it's it's this whole
area that intrigues me, you know, because I just love
the fact that, like, if you consider, if you go
back to the source, if you consider the whole idea
of when somebody dies so you know this is so,

(27:27):
this is after death, you know, like people some people
will say, okay that you know, rigor mortis sets in
consciousness dies, and that's all fine, and you know I
understand that to to to to some degree, and and
you know it's impossible for anything to happen subsequent to that.
But to me, there's there's an energy that people possess

(27:52):
that like, how where does that go? I'm not a scientist.
I can't explain. My words will become very inarticulate now
for us to continue saying, you know, using the analogies,
but I just don't. I just don't understand how that can.
Just like you know, what about a soul. You know,
you don't get an itchy soul because you don't know
where it is. You don't know what it is right now. Yeah,

(28:14):
so there are things that science can't explain. I mean,
we all know this. So and that's where my mind
is open, and that's where I'm thinking all the time.
And you know there's a desire as well too for
most people you know who you know, for death not
to be the end, right, you know, that's where I am.

(28:37):
I just I often think, you know, if if it's
the end, Like, is it really that shallow that we
just live and we die and that's it. Yeah, there
must be more to it, you know.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
That's That's where I'm at too. I got it.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
That's why Kim and I do this too, when we
go out, just trying to figure out if we can
get any answers as to why.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
You know, these things happen. You can't explain some of
these things that happen well.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know, science, and when you get the answers, if
you don't mind, Alison, just let me know, please, because
I'm here. Yes, but yeah, that's okay, I can wait.
It's it's one thirty in the morning here, so you know,
you've got you've got a bit of time.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
But you know, but and as we said before, nobody
can say categorically one way or the other, you know,
and when when you have you know, mediums and psychics
who can communicate or claim they communicate with the other dimension.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
To me, I like my evidential platform to be significant,
you know. I always find that it's you know, there
are some Charlatans out there, you know, there are some
people who pray on the vulnerable, right, I just think
like this. This is what I think. That's horrendous, you know,
and I mean you know about that. I can't remember

(30:03):
names now with televangelists who would have had ear pieces
in their ears. You know, people would be telling them
things about the audience, and you might feel in the
form beforehand, and they read people, and you know all
of this and so. But there are others who genuinely
and sincerely either believe or are in touch with the

(30:27):
other side. And if the other side exists, which I
assume it does, you know, so, but but they that
particular business, if you like, attracts the wrong sort and
it gets a bad rep if that makes sense. Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (30:42):
Yeah, I do, Yeah, I get you. Just like some
of the television shows with the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Some of them are a little yeah, I remember, Sorry,
there's an excent. Just remember now when you were saying that,
there's an excellent example of this. I don't know. Would
you be familiar and I'm sure you would be with
Darren Brown. Ah, yeah, you don't have to be.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
I don't know if I Darren Brown.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That's okay. So he's an English psychic. Well, sorry, that's
the wrong word. He's an English I don't know what.
So he would be a magician, he would be anyway.
Words are escaping me now. But what he what he
did was he he went to the US and he
explained he did a show, and he explained, you know,

(31:26):
it's an auditorium and he has an amalgam of people there,
and he explains to the audience, sorry to the viewers,
that he's about now to perform an act where the
viewer knows that everything he's about to say is not true.
So but he touches I think four or five people

(31:49):
in the audience, and I don't mean physically, I mean
emotionally with names and very very specific circumstances that relate
directly to people who have died belonging to them. And
very soon they're you know, oh my god, you're talking
to my husband, you're talking to my son, you know,

(32:09):
and the information and you know it's I can't again
give you examples, but it's incredibly specific. But then at
the end he tells them, and he has to do
it very delicately because these people have become emotionally and
of course they had to give permission for the program
to go out, because it did go out again, it's youtubable.

(32:30):
Does that a word to youtubable? Just made a verb
out of YouTube? Well Google is the same. So but
he explained to them, No, he said, I don't have powers.
I'm just good. I have I read people and that's
how you know Charlatan's operates. So you need to be

(32:51):
on your guard. That's all I'm saying, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Right, let's see.

Speaker 7 (32:55):
Here, we have some questions coming in from chat, so
just gonna get to the first one here.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
I like to let them take part.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
Sure, So it looks like the first question is from Darren.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Do you think a certain part of Ireland is more
haunted than others?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
What a good question. Yeah, that's pretty a certain part. Well,
I can tell you this that there are castles on
every corner. I'm sure people and because you know, we
live in a world where tourism is very significant and
you know, so most of them would claim to be
the most haunted castle in the world. There's a place

(33:38):
called Leap Castle, that's yeah you've heard of, yeah, wow, Yeah,
lots of murders went on there over the years. You know,
the O'Carroll family, is that the family there? You know,
there's again that's sort of there's that goes back. Cromwell
obviously was around and leave Castle was there, and I

(34:01):
think there's a connection with the Cromwellian soldier whose wife,
as far as I know, you know, saw stuff and
there's a priest's house thing, so Leap would be one
of them. But geographically, I think, to be honest, it's
well spread out all over the country. There is another
place in Dublin, which is the capital, and it's not

(34:24):
so old, but it is. And again it's not it
wouldn't have been a castle, but it would have been
a It's called the hell Fire Club.

Speaker 10 (34:31):
Oh yeah, okay, you know this is where devil worshiping
went on, you know, and debauching and drinking, you know,
lords you can see it all, you know in a
period movie where they're you know, consuming copious amounts of
drink and and also cannibalism has also been associated with.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
There We're a young girl apparently was eaten oddly. Yeah,
I know, it's crazy, but we you know, we have
there's Kilmainum Jail as well, and that's in Dublin where
you know this is that's significant from an Irish Republic's
point of view because the people who fought for Ireland's

(35:14):
freedom would have died and been shot in Kilmainum jail.
So again, ghosts would haunt Kilmainum Jail and Irish people.
You know, you know that feeling when you get I mean,
I presume whether you believe or whether you don't believe.
You know, you walk into a room and whether they
just haven't turned the heating on or it's cold for

(35:37):
a different reason. You know, that's when your head starts
to think of all these things. So I would I
would be inclined to think that rural parts of Ireland
would probably be more scary than urban parts. That's in
my opinion to answer the question directly, it's good right

(36:00):
we have band sheees of course over here too. I
don't know if you know, but the band.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Sheet Oh yes, I've heard of that.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I would have expected you to. You've been in the business. Yeah,
So that's it's kind of a harbinger of death. You know,
like years ago, when maybe most American children would be
thinking of monsters under their beds, you know, monsters inc
And all that. There's a whole amount of cold down there.

(36:28):
That wasn't a thing for us because we were just
scared witless. I could have said another word there, but
we were scared witless. It's a family show of bandees
who were roaming around the streets outside and apparently, you know,
there is a whale and that's w a I as

(36:51):
supposed to whli that they emit, you know, to tell
people that there's somebody about to die. And and again
you're lying there, and this is where I would have
been scared bits, you know, because you're lying there as
a seven or eight year old and you're thinking, so,
I'm not going to look at the window because she's
going to look in the window and then somebody in

(37:11):
my house is going to die, you know. Yeah, so
just don't do it, you know. And apparently some of
them had really tall legs and they could look in
the second story, you know. So anyway, this is just
something that you're plagued with, you know. We also, by
the way, have a picture of a ghost, you know. Yeah,
in the castle. There's a picture. Yeah, and people have

(37:34):
looked at this picture and they've kind of okay, we
can't explain that anyway. It's a picture of one of
the rooms and in the corner you can see the
shape of a man, and it's very clear and he's
very obvious, and we show all of the visitors to
the castle this picture of the ghost, and you know,

(37:56):
and again it's the conditioning. Sorry, Alison. It's like a
lot of people go, nah, that's that thing, you know,
and other people will just freak you know, and they go,
oh my god, that's absolutely the case.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But I often wonder, you know, are people inclined to
believe because of what Hollywood has delivered into their brains?
You know? Do you know what I mean? Because we've
had so many horror movies and ghost movies and and
you know, right from the words, so so are we
conditioned that way too, you know, to to want to believe?

(38:32):
Or you know what, how do we what? Can you
see a form? You know what I mean? Is it
a white sheet with cut out eyes? You know what?
What is it exactly? And that intrigues me, Like I'd
love to talk to somebody who's never seen a Hollywood movie,
but I don't.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
Know that maybe a hermit or something.

Speaker 11 (38:55):
I'm not sure, but yeah, yeah, but it's Yeah, it's
the conditioning in in a lot of cases where you
know they're halfway there because they they're very convinced because
of what they've seen, you know that that such a
thing exists, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Right, yep, absolutely. I had a question. I was reading
through some of your things.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
And we were just kind of talking about the bandsheet,
but what is the phantom bear.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Or the bear? Yeah, when you see when it comes
to yeah, this is this is great. Like there's there's
a few stories about so this is to do with
the Civil War and there would be there would be
stories associated with you know, like battlefields, and the bear
is a weird one because you know, there are no
longer bears in England, you know they're there. They used to,

(39:45):
of course, have pet bears. You probably heard of a
dancing bear. That's you know that that's what they used
to use to get with the dance and that's yeah. Yeah,
but the bear haunts a particular battlefield. It's Edge Hill,
and you know, like through the years he's been seen,
people have taken shots at him, try to try to

(40:07):
shoot him. And I don't know exactly how he's associated
with the English Civil War, but he's on that battlefield.
And also there are other battlefields in England as well
where armies still march drums still play. You have officers
who are again and you can imagine, like this is
hundreds of years ago a battle took place. How are

(40:30):
there not ghost stories associated with these sites? They absolutely
have to be, So you have phantom armies. You know
that march, you've got officers looking for the battle because
they've somehow lost it, you know. And and again you
know there's there was, there's a fantastic there's a pub

(40:52):
in a place called Hull where currently the Lando, the
owner of the pub, is a non believer, but he
keeps geting reports of stories. But because back in the
Civil War a lot of information was kind of secret,
and there's so much you know, school dougre Be going
on that there were whispers. So people would whisper stuff,

(41:13):
you know, don't say anything, but you know there's going
to be a battle at the weekend, you know. So
so people here whispers in this pub constantly. You can
imagine how frightening that would be, you know. So they
tell the guy, you know, and he, of course he
probably loves the fact that, you know, he's getting attention
for this. But it's well known that this pub is

(41:35):
the whispering pub. So you've got the bear you've got
the Whispering Pub. You know, there's just so many things
going on. I'm just going to oh yeah, sorry. There's
one other thing that when you think of Cromwell and
Ireland and priests and the supernatural, because apparently there were
some priests that they couldn't even kill, and they tried,

(41:57):
and this is kind of documented in a particular book
that came out around that time where people have said
that their priests were shot but the bullet and back
in those days it was a musketball, so it was
a circular thing stopped at the cowl. They would wear
cow cow l where it wouldn't penetrate the cow, it

(42:20):
would just drop, you know, straight to the ground. Other
stories like where you know, so the Catholic faith was
persecuted in those days and Catholics were you know, sent
away from their land and their houses, and nuns were
sent away from a convent then in Wexford and the

(42:42):
Caromlian soldiers would just sleep in the convent. But of
course retribution would come in the form of spirits. So
this is you know, they would be at night, they
would be plagued with spirits. Some of them would die
from the experiences that they would have. So and again
this is all documented. I'm just going to get the

(43:04):
reference to what it is because it's to me, it's
very interesting that I love something that's documented. Oh yeah,
of course, can I find it now?

Speaker 4 (43:15):
You can find anything when you're looking for it. That's
no story.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
I got it now. So it's from it's from a
brief history of the Irish province of the Friars minor
of the Regular Observance. And the guy's name was Father
Francis Ward. So you know, when you have a reference
like that, you know, you think okay, because that's it
just had been legend or tradition that's been handed down

(43:40):
and maybe changed throughout the years. But this is very like,
this is a very popular book and people you know,
know about this, and so yeah, there's lots of stories.
I have another one just there's so I love this.
We've got a street in the town here that's called

(44:01):
Scarlet Street, So think about the color red. So that's
where Cromwell is supposed to have killed so.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
Many exactly exactly stained with the blood.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, and that's a very very vibrant tradition here. So
we've got the scarlet lady, and the Scarlet Lady is
alleged to have lost her children in the battle. Now,
I would contend, because I've done all the research and
so on, that Cromwell didn't kill any children, certainly, but
that aside, they never there's no point in spawning a

(44:38):
good story with facts. So as far as yeah, so,
you know, as far as most people around here go,
the Scarlet Street legend is so real, you know, and
again it's just a lovely connection back to that time.
But there are lots of reasons why I would not
believe that, and one of them is because scar the

(45:00):
Street today was actually it was outside the town walls.
That wouldn't even have been in the town. But traditions
are great, you know, why why argue traditions?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know, that's right, yep, yep.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Let's see here. We had a couple more questions to chat.
They want to know if you have a favorite castle.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Oh what a great question. Yeah, yes, so thank you
for that. I would you know, in the days of
the Normans, when the Normans came, there was such a
thing called the ten pound castle. So that's like a
ten dollar castle. So they could build a castle for
ten dollars if you like. Back in the day, so
lots of them came up, so it's got to be blarney,

(45:46):
and blarney is again that's the word which everybody's familiar with.
If you've got the blarney, which I think I have,
it's the Blarney stone. So yeah, you go to have
been by the way, No, no, you have to come.
It's you know, particularly you know, with with with your

(46:06):
interest in these things, because you would literally go from
castle to castle and.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
It would be.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, I would anyway, I would enthusiastically encourage you at
some point. But yeah, you know the tradition of the
Blarney stone that it's there, it's happening all the time today.
People climb up very rickety stairs. I don't know how
people are so small in those days, because you know,
you're woken up the stairs of the castle and you
have to lime six foot tall. But you have to,

(46:35):
just everybody has to, you know, crouch down. And then
when you're kissing the Blarney stone to get the gift
of the gab, which is what that's all about, you
have to do a very precarious lean back and the
guy who's on duty holds you so you don't plummet
to the ground and die. Nobody has done yet, by
the way. I yeah, absolutely, Ye, I think Blarney is terrific. Yeah,

(46:58):
that's that. That would be my favorite.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Okay, and then oh man, there's a few more here. Okay,
let's see here.

Speaker 7 (47:13):
Oh, he wants to know if you would turn your story,
your book into a movie.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So that's my goal in life. Yeah, the story of
Oliver Cromwell is a dead ringer. If that's the word,
it's an absolute must. Then it has to be made
into a movie because it's, like I said, it's rags
to riches. It's like log cabin to white house. You know,

(47:40):
he went from nowhere, total obscurity, to being the first
and only commoner ever to rule England, to be head
of state. And you know, you've got the controversy thrown
in where he's supposed to have killed people civilians left,
right and center. You know you've got in the book.

(48:02):
I call it the tabloid version of his life because
it's just boom boom boom, like the first chapter and
spoiler alert, this is a story that's associated with him.
He would have been picked up by a chimpanzee as
an infant and the chimpanzee climbed over the house, the

(48:23):
big house that they were visiting. The family were visiting
carrying Cromwell as a five month old infant, and didn't
drop him. Eventually they managed to save him. A lot
of Irish people, of course, would have much preferred that
the chimpanzee dropped him, and you might think, well, that's

(48:44):
a bit bizarre. Why would the chimpanzee be around. So
in those days that was quite common for an ape
or a monkey to be a pet in an English home,
and you know they would do various tricks for the
people who lived there, for fruit and so on. But
for some reason this particular day, the monkey was more

(49:04):
frisky and he took the child. So so he had
a charmed Yeah, I know, he had a charmed life.
He's saved from drowning by a priest as well when
he was a little older, you know, and and the
time that he lived in it's like, you know, there
were so many movies made from the tutor age, you know,

(49:24):
like like the Queen Elizabeth and all that, King Henry
the Eighth and all that, because it's you know, it's
it's history. But but the Cromwell. Cromwellian period is very complicated.
Of course, my book makes it very easy to read
because I like to do that for people, you know,
just make it easy and take out all the nonsense.

(49:45):
But it's it's but yeah, yes, I know that's a
very long winded answer. But this will be done, whether
it will be in my lifetime or not. But you
come on, look at the title The Protector. You know,
it's it's screaming for a would of course, who would
play me?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
That's just going to ask everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah, I know, yeah, I don't know. I won't go
down the Brad Peter Johnny Depp road. It's just humility
prevents me from I know it's going to be Cromwell,
you know, but I figure I'm going to get in
there somewhere too. Yes, it'll be a flashback thing, you know.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, But I know it's it's it's very exciting,
you know, the whole book thing is very exciting for me.
This is my fourth book on Cromwell. Just so people understand. Yeah, yeah,
the others. And the reason I mentioned it is because
I don't care whether they buy the boo or whether
they don't, but it's it's called My publicist won't like
that last statement, by the way, but I love the controversy.

(50:50):
So my first book was called Cromwell an Honorable Enemy,
and as I said, anybody Irish who sees that, they go,
oh my god, how could he have been honorably killed everybody?
Which isn't true. And my second one is Cromwell was framed,
so you know, that's it. And again it's kind of
I do that to just kind of take people off

(51:10):
who are Irish, you know, because he was framed.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Yes, okay, let's see here.

Speaker 7 (51:21):
We have one more question that we'll do and then
we'll kind of start wrapping things up.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Sure, I went, I went down too long.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I know.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
No, no, no, you're fine.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
It's very bally hours for you over there. It's almost
two o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
So yeah, I'm a big boy. I can manage. Sorry,
go on with a time constraint. I totally get that.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Nope, you are totally fine. Darren has another question.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
He wants to know, do you feel castles draw more
spirits in more so than the land.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, that's that's a good question. So if you remember,
you know, the jury is out for me. But I
would absolutely and that was the point I was trying
to make, you know, why the jury's out. If I
was to go on one side or the other, to
fall down on one side of the that's I would
absolutely say that. And the reason I would say that
is because people inhabit buildings. Yes, they you know Traverse

(52:21):
Land as well, but you know, there's a very significant
connection between people and buildings. They live there, they sleep there,
they inhabit the building, and you know, and that's what
there's a vibe you know. You know again when I
walk into a room, and like I say, I'm in
a castle most of the day. When I walk into
a room, it's got so many stories. You know, the

(52:42):
library for instance, where I am now. You know the people,
you know, two or three hundred years ago, they would
all go into the library on a winter's evening because
the books would provide insulation, you know, the rest of
the castle was left and they would why why go
into a big, cold, empty room and so you had
you'd have a fire lit and and that will be

(53:05):
the warmest room in the house. So for me, there's
no question that buildings would be much more significant that
But that's only my opinion. You know, I would I
would have difficulty, and I'm just trying to think.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
You know, Okay, you've got the Civil War stories and battlefields,
and you've got stories about headless horsemen on those battlefields
as well. But I would think that buildings, particularly because
of the nuks and crannies and corners and the attic
and the basement, you know, you know, amateur ill horror
time's that's that's the way I see it, you know,

(53:40):
that kind.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Of that kind of comes into the There was one
more question that popped into chat. Were to write a
book about the US, what would you write about?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Oh, about the US? That's an excellent question. Okay, well
let's keep the theme. Well, I'm fascinated by UFOs just
so you know, I know, I know it's late in
the you know, the conversation to throw that in, No
go for it. Yeah, I would go down that road
without question. And can I make a very significant point

(54:10):
if you don't mind, I just think, thank you. It's
it's like to me, you know, people often say, so
you do believe in US, So do you believe in aliens?
What do you think, you know, and you can be
you can be labeled as being a bit cuckoo, you know.
And that's with with respect to everybody, because lots of
people have ideas that they have. So in my opinion,

(54:32):
if you picture, my analogy is always if you picture
a grain of sand. So you've got a grain of sand,
and let's just say it's spherical. So it's it's it's
a spherical. Now it's very tiny. It's absolutely minute, minuscule,
I don't know, micro, whatever the word is. So let's
just say that's the earth. Okay, A grain of sand
is the earth like men in black remember the thing
that hung around the cats. You know, you've got the

(54:54):
universe in there. So it's that.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
So so I'm reducing it even smaller to the Earth
being a grain of sand. So if I walk down
to the beach which is just down there, and I
pick up a handful of sand in that hand, I've
got I don't know, billions of grains of sand in
a handful. Then I, you know, I look at the
beach and I think, oh my god, now we're into
words that I you know, trillions, gazillions, how many grains

(55:18):
of sand are there? There, that's only my beach. If
I take the country of Ireland and I think all
the beaches, that's so are we are? We looking at
an infinite number of grains of sand. So what I'm
saying is if every one of those grains of sand
represents a planet, that's where it becomes incredibly you know,

(55:39):
difficult to understand. How in God's name can we have
the temerity to think that we're the only ones with life?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Yes, yeah, exactly, you have all those ands. There's got
to be somewhere else that has life.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
On that.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, and and and again. And you can stop me
by the way, if we were over time. But it's cool,
thank you. But to me, that's that's a huge, big deal.
So I would if I was to write a book,
I would go down that road and I would try
and you know, understand or try whether it would be
a fiction and whether it be a factor you know,
or nonfiction or whatever. I would try and get that across,

(56:18):
because to me, that's a huge deal. Like, you know,
and then you've got the whole in time, where are
we are? We are we you know, some sort of
primitive civilization or where we extremely advanced? You know, you
know is and then that the concept of time, and
then it gets a little oblique because so where where
what's our position in the universe, you know, and are

(56:41):
we an experiment? Somebody would suggest that, you know, this
is just an experiment by other beings who are far
more advanced than us, you know, So look that the
landscape is a myriad of possibilities. And that's all I'd
say to that, you know. And when you have these
people who claim that they've been abducted by aliens, and
we usually go to the roswell version of an alien,

(57:04):
you know, the big eyes and the you know, you
know what I'm talking about, or E E T or
whatever it is, because but you know, that's probably not
anywhere near to reality, you know. So that's that's I'd
just love to put some shape around all of that,
you know, obscurity, you know, because I think it's very important.

(57:25):
I don't think there's anything more important, by the way,
in this life than all of that. And we haven't
even discussed God yet, but you know, that's that's another
thing that to me is very close. I think people
need to, you know, get that part of their lives right,
so you know, before you can really accept what the
world is is offering you. You need to get you know,

(57:46):
your religion, you know where you feel about life after
death and all that, because otherwise you don't have it nailed.
You know, you need you need to get all these
things these boxes ticked. I am oh as they say,
that's imo from in my opinion.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
Yep, yes, I am starting to learn some of those
little tiny you know, like people just text random stuff.
I'm like, I don't know what that means, Like my
kids have to tell me because I am not.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I know you you look far too young. I don't
understand how you could say that because to me, you know,
you're just out of your twenties and you've probably got
all these emojis and you know acronyms down.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Nope, my oldest one just graduated from high school.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
So my god, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
I know at college scary stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Wow, it's all ahead of you.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Yeah, I know, all right.

Speaker 7 (58:42):
So where can people find you if they want to
maybe hit you up?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
Ask you some more questions? Where can they find your books?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Sure? Yeah? Well I I Facebook is the best place
to get me, Tom Riley, I'm on Facebook. There's a
link I don't know if you're going to put it up,
but that's where I am easily got. They're obsessed with Facebook,
always chatting to people. The book is probably with The
publisher's website is John Hunt Publishing dot com and they're

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an exceptionally good publisher. And of course Amazon, you know,
it's riding high currently on the new releases, the hot
new releases.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I was actually would you believe I was number one
on us Amazon?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, that's amazing to me because I'm only a humble
you know, want to be and hopefully I can eventually
be whatever that is.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Oh, now I'm trying to.

Speaker 7 (59:46):
Trying to get this up to see if I can
put the link in our chat too. Yeah, well that
pop in later when they're listening they can see it.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
But we also put it on our social media as well.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
But we definitely want everybody to check you out and
definitely check out your books.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Great, I would respond to everybody. That's just what I do.
And you know, if you if you take the time
to send me a message, I will get right back
to you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Awesome.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
That's that's awesome because oh yep, I just went to
Amazon and I just put your first name in and
your book popped right up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
That's hey, there you go. See I don't exaggerate stuff,
you know. So that's why the movie is next. Any
would be producers or directors out there, you know, Hey,
call me.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
That's right, Yes, give him a call, check our pages
and get his info.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
We'll cut you in for a percentage.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
All right, So.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
I'm just gonna give quick shout outs here to whoever
was in chat. We had Matt Nico, we had Haunted
Kentucky Darren, and then we had Ali up and she
was just kind of listening, but I could see you.
And there's a couple others that I can't see your pictures,

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but I know you're there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
So thank you everybody who was in chat participating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Thank you, Thank you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Thank you for everybody who was not in chat but listening.

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
We appreciate each and every one of you. Next week,
I just want to let you guys know, next week
we will have Tyler Transu and Chris Rupert back on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
They're going to be talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Their new documentary that's coming out on July fifth, Secrets
of the Sasquatch.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
And then they also have one and you might be
interested in. They did one called uh contact Disclosure. Let
me look it up. It's about it's about UFOs. Oh,
it's it's very good. It is very good. It's on
Voodoo Google Play.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I will check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Yes, yes, you'll have to check it out, but I
can send you info. But yeah, I watched. It was
very good. So make sure you guys check that out.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
And once again, thank you Tom for being on It
was it was pleasant.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I loved it. You're very You're very awesome and easy
to talk to.

Speaker 7 (01:02:11):
Thank you get that, and we appreciate that very much.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I hope you enjoyed and could understand the Irish accent because.

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
It's very I love the Irish.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Hey, Kim, I wish I could see your property. Thank you.
Thanks for the sentiment. Okay, well in a very spirit
like fashion, so I'm guessing she's not real. Okay, I
got you, I got lovely. Oh my goodness, thank you

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for mentioning my accent. I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
Yes, thank you everybody, and have a wonderful night.