Reboadcast: Jes kerzen, author of "A Mind Beyond Words

Rebroadcast: Jes Kerzen , author of 'A Mind Beyond Words"

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I have a special guest here today with a very
interesting story, So I'm gonna give you a little bit
of background before we start talking to our guest. Jess
Curuson is going to be the guest today and she
holds a post graduate b Field degree and has worked

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in a huge variety of roles in many educational settings,
from specialist speech language teacher to head of English, from
running an alternative education hub of home educated children in
a abbey undercroft to working with a farmer and a
life sized model cap delivering workshops on social and emotional

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skills and primary schools in West of England. But she's
very passionate and an advocate for neurodiverse students, particularly those
with autistic spectrum perception and communication challenges. She has found
that wherever she worked, these were the children who so
often to appear in her life enriched greatly. One particular encounter, though,

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with a small boy, set her on a journey of
discovery that would completely change her life's trajectory. From this
child and his classmates just learned that there were ways
of communicating and perceiving she had never dreamed of. She
has consequently spent many years researching telepathy, remote viewing and

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other psychic abilities, along with the spiritual insights they can
sometimes lead to. Now retired and living in a three
hundred and fifty year old cottage, in Somerset, England, just
devotes much of her time to working with Asher, that
very special former pupil, continuing to learn from him, and
writing about their work together, which kind of leads us

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to her book on Mind Beyond. So welcome Jess to
the show.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Thank you, Alison, it's lovely to be there.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yes, absolutely. Now let's kind of get into your journey here.
How did you come about meeting Ashure?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah? Well, to start with, it was a totally normal encounter.
I was a school teacher. He was a pupil. I
was teaching children with speech and language difficulties and he
had those, plenty of them. So he fetched up in
my classroom. I'd been doing the job for six or

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seven years before he arrived, so as far as I
was concerned, I knew just what I was doing. I
was supposed to be helping these poor little children who
couldn't communicate properly to communicate, and he taught me that
wasn't quite the case.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, how did he teach you this?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Like?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
What was your communication like with Asher other than other
students with disabilities?

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, to start with, it was totally normal. He didn't
have very much intelligible speech, but after he'd been in
the class a few weeks, I noticed that the children
in my class were actually communicating with each other, but
not through words. They didn't have the words to talk,

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but I could see that they say they were playing
a game. There was this conversation on that I wasn't
party two, and that got me very curious. And then Asher,
who seemed to be the ringleader of all of that. Yeah,

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I'd never noticed it before in all the years I've
been doing that job. When he arrived in the class,
suddenly this very strange thing going on. So I took
him aside and had a little chat to him, and
he told me that he and I had made an agreement.
I thought he was born, that we were going to

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work together, And when I asked what sort of work
we were going to do, he said I was going
to be his helper. I was going to help him
to I suppose, communicate, but I assumed he meant get
better at speaking, But he didn't mean that at all.
What he actually told me was that he was telepathic

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that people didn't see from the other children in the class.
People didn't seem to be picking up on his telepathy,
but he reckon I probably could with a bit of works.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So he must Yeah, he must have saw something special
and you maybe he was able to pick up on,
like maybe that you had the ability to do it.
You just didn't know that you had the ability to
do it.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Does that seem I really did.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Now you've been working with him since what the age
of six?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, and it's now in his early thirties.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Oh wow, okay, wow, wow. That is amazing. That is amazing.
Now I know that he is a very special being
and that doctors were kind of trying to persuade him
that he was just kind of delusional and that it
was part of his Asperger syndrome. Is that kind of correct?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
That's absolutely right, that's yeah. That was a really bad
time in his life. He was about sixteen, I guess,
and for years up to that point he had been
learning to speak. He was actually very good at speaking
by it point. But he would share with me as
he could do that other people couldn't, visions. He'd get

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things he'd know, sort of downloads that just came to
him from. He didn't quite know where. It was all
a bit spontaneous, but he had this knowing which she
didn't share with anyone else until he went for his
official diagnosis as aspertus syndrome, which was a form of autism,

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and the doctor said to him, oh, well, you'll not
be very good at communicating with other people. You'll probably
find it difficult to make friends, telling him all the problems,
all the things that were wrong with him, which is
not what a sixteen year old it really needs to hear.
And then the doctor said, any other symptoms, anything else

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that's been bothering you, and so Asher said, well, yeah,
I do see things sometimes, and I sort of know
things in my head, hearing them exactly, but it's like
I'm being spoken to. And the doctor just sort of
nodded sagely and said, oh, yes, all those delusions, Yes,
that's quite a common symptom of asper. Just just put

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it aside and trying not to think about it, try
and concentrate on behaving as normally as you can. And
so for a while he absolutely believed that, And he
told me that his doctor had told him that this
was a delusion, so it must be. And I was
this lone voice saying to him, no, it's not a delusion, Asher,

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It's actually really an amazing skill you've got there, and
you need to work at it. I think I was
just the one voice saying this, was saying, the doctor's
the experts.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know, right, Yeah, Now do you think that you know,
and I've heard this, you know, seeing documentaries and things
on TV.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
But.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
People that are on like you know, the autistic spectrum
or have a disability like that, it seems like they
have some kind of you know, they they seem to
have some kind of abilities, or some of them are
like musical geniuses, you know, yeah, and things of that nature.
What do you what do you think? I'm trying to

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think of the word that I'm I have it in
my head. I just can't think of the word. I
don't want to say.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
But what do you how do you.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Think they come about with this? Like if they're not
able to really communicate and things, do you think that's
their form of communication.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
With the world, is like through music or.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Or you know, your abilities, like psychic abilities or telepathic.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Or yeah, I think that's exactly it. I think, well,
ashes of it is is that people who are what
our society calls normal, the neurotypical society, we just get

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on with daily lives. We have a million things to
confuse us and concern us, and we have to just
you know, we're completely run ragged just living our day
to day lives, aren't we. But if you take somebody
who's on the autistic spectrum, who has that sort of perception,
who perhaps has other people that help them out with

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stuff like that, they don't have to get quite as involved.
It gives them more time on their own. They're not
so caught up in social interactions, and they, if you like,
just go deep. They go really deep. I'm sort of
thinking like a Buddhist monk might speak to anybody for

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months at a time, and I think it's kind of
close to that. Asher certainly has always had an incredible
laser like focus. Whatever he's thinking about, he just thinks
about that and doesn't let himself get distracted. And a
lot of the autistic people I've come across and worked

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with exactly like that. So it might be music, as
you say, it might be maths, it might be art.
There's those people who can look at a scene once
and draw it completely in all its detail. I think
there's so many abilities, and they've got that, and they're
not so caught up in the sort of physical day

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to day stuff. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Yes, it does, Yeah, it does. Now, when you first
met Asher, before you know he started talking to you
kind of telepathically. Was his former communication just through writing
or how did he communicate with others?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
He had a little bit of speed each but he
had a problem with the muscles in his mouth, so
he couldn't pronounce words clearly, so they wouldn't come across clearly.
But well, when I first heard about Asha, the first
thing he used to do in his class, like a
kindergarten class with very small children, if he wanted the

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other children's attention, he would just thump his fist really
hard on the table and glare at them and then
point at whatever he wanted they had. He was actually
quite a big kid for his age, and he got
a ford of stare, so they didn't want to get
in the way of him. So yeah, yeah, just through

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sort of using gestures and signs and yeah, very limited.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Wow, Wow, that is amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Now as he's gotten older, you talk about him kind
of out of body experiences to other realms, can you
kind of enlighten us on what that is?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, when he was a kid, as I've said to you,
he sort of got these odd things that just came
into his mind and he didn't have any control over them.
It's just random. But as he's got older, he's learnt
to control it, and he's now able to keep his
human body just ticking over, and he's able to move

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out of body and the I can't say the place
he goes to because he says it's outside of time
and it's outside of space, so you can't call it
a place. But he goes to what he would claim
is a different time mention, a sort of psychological landscape
if you like, which he calls the realms, so it's

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it's the realm. And he tells me that what he
sees there could be described as a beginninglish and endless library,
and he can just go there and look up anything
that he wants to look up, and he doesn't have
to read a book like you or I would have to.
Maybe he just has to lay his hand on that

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particular piece of information and he's just got it all,
which he's actually proved to me in physical life as well.
I've had him read a book like that just hold,
which was really annoying as his teacher, you know me
trying to get the children to read the book. I
could just literally put his hand on top of the

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book summarize the whole thing for me.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh wow, that's amazing. I wish I could do that.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
I love to tell why think of the ass it
would say?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I know it would for real, Like I love to read,
but sometimes I don't have the focus as I've gotten older,
Like my mind tends to slip and then I'm thinking
of other things, like oh, I should be doing laundry
or dishes besides reading a book. You know, So that
would be amazing. If I could just put my hand
on there and just know the whole thing, I would

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just be truly amazing.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, I'm getting to the age now and
my seventies, we're I'm thinking, have I got enough years
left to read all the books to read?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
I know?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, it would.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Be handy now with your book A Mind beyond Words,
as we're talking about, you know what, you talk about
your things with Asher and and kind of through the
years of you helping him.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
But have you had any of these other abilities with
other students of yours where you've done telepathy or anything
like that.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
With them, or.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Certainly not to the degree I have with Asher class
where I worked with him when he was a little
six year old. There were a couple of other kids
in the class who could get through to me telepathically,
but it wasn't like a two way dialogue. And since
then sort of in more recent years, I was working

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with teenagers, many of whom were had autistic perception, and
several of those could read my mind. I remember there
was one I used to play this kind of game
with the kids where one kid was blindfold in the
middle of the room and I'd hide something jangly under

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their chair and the kids sitting around the edge. I'd
silently pointed to a child and they would have to
creep up and grab this treasure from underneath the chair
without making any sound. Now, there was one little boy
who was definitely they definitely autistic, and every single time

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I picked somebody, he would just point straight at that
kid and we checked his blindfold. You know, he was right.
And then I suddenly said to him, oh, I know
what you're doing. You're reading my mind, aren't you. You're
seeing in your mind who I'm pointing to. And this
kid got really flustered and said, oh, I thought that

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was the point of the game. Isn't that what we're
supposed to do with?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Oh that's good. Oh my gosh, that's that's a great one.
I like that. That's too funny, that's wonderful. Oh yeah,
I bet. Now do you say that you still are
helping out with Asher?

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Now?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Are you writing any more books on any more?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Or yep? We've made that too. Now it's not anywhere
near completion. But I work with him most evenings. In fact,
we put aside an hour every evening where I'll just
tune into him. And the way it works is I

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sit there, we connect mentally. We don't use phones, we
don't use anything physical. He lives over in London, which
is a one hundred and fifty miles away from where
I am in the Southwest, so there's yeah, we're not
using any other contact. But I just tune into him

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and then I usually start by saying hi and asking
a question, and I'm writing my words and the stuff
that comes from him in a notebook so that I've
got a record of it. It's a little bit like dreaming.
You sort of think you're going to remember it all,
but when you wake up you don't. But I know

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that if I was spending of fifty minutes chatting with him,
I wouldn't recall all of it, so he got a
bit fed up with that. Initially takes you so long, Yeah,
but I'm going to have to just keep writing it down.
Of course I can't record it through audio because there's
no sound coming from him. Yes thoughts, wow, yeah now

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so yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
How do you get into that state? Do you do?
You go into like a meditation state when you're something.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, it's a kind of mild meditation state. I just
I have this. I call it a ritual, but you know,
you can call it anything really. I just sit quietly
in my room where I won't be interrupted, and I
just physically brush my hands aside and brush out anything

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that on my mind. So if I'm thinking about, oh
I should have done that today, or oh I've got
to see so and so tomorrow, or pushing those things
away until I've got a sort of blank space, and
then I'm just tuning into that blank space. And I
wait until I pick asher up, and then my hands

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actually start by themselves to move away. If I start
with them holding them together, they just start to move
further and further. Away, and sometimes they wash away really quickly.
In other times it's more of a sort of gentle flow,
and I can kind of pick up the mood he's
in by that, you know, I'm what kind of thing

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I'm going to be getting and how close we are? Really?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wow, that's amazing. So I mean, he could be doing
anything and then he just kind of picks up on
your presence when it's time to communicate with them, or.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
I don't really know what he's doing in terms of
physical life. I mean, yeah, he's certain. And also he
wouldn't be out, you know, enjoying himself. He's a very
reclusive young man. He tends to sort of probably just
stay in his room in the evening, so yeah, he's
probably in a very quiet place anyway. So yeah, it

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works somehow.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Wow, that's amazing. Have you had anybody else come up
to you and ask for your help lately with their
children or anything like that? Or I know you're retired,
but I don't know if you still help others if
they come to you, or if they've heard about you.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, it's interesting. Actually, I don't teach anymore, and I
don't work with families anymore. I did that for many years,
but since I've had the book published, since I've been
selling A Mind Beyond Words at fairs and things like that,
I will often get people walking up to me and

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I've got like this banner that says telepathic relationship, autistic,
you know, all the key words on it, and people
just walk up and go, hey, you know, I work
with autistic adults, or I work with children with Down
syndrome or whatever, and I'm sure I'm picking up things

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from them. I'm sure they're speaking into my mind. Do
you think I'm not imagining it? And I'll go, yeah,
I think you're not imagining. Actually, I've got quite friendly
with some of them, who, you know, really started firstly
to believe that what they thought was happening actually could
be happening because there's this other person they've met who

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it's happening to. Yeah. I think our next book is
going to be that sort of networking, getting people together
and trying to make people understand yeah, this isn't just
a one off sort of freak show. This is actually
something that a lot of people are doing. But I
think they're doing it very quietly because they're terrified them

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and tell them the delusional and the rest.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Right, Yeah, I get that one hundred percent. Now, you
said that you you go to fairs and things like that,
So you have any other ones that are coming up
that you're going to be at that people can check out.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Oh, I think the next one is sometime in August.
That's in Glastonbury, which is the town I live in
in Somerset and England. And I think I've got another
one later in the year. But I have a website,
so if I give you my website address, then people
can check that out.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So absolutely, it's.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Www dot asher Tree a s H E R t
r W dot com, okay, And I have a page
on there with links and events, which I'm sure I'll
be linking your interview into it and people will be
able to check that out. And I put up any

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events that I'm going to be appearing at or any
reviews I've had that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Now, can people purchase your book on your website or.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Not on the website as such, they can purchase this
on Collective Inks website, which is my publisher, or just
about anywhere, I mean the usual player. I even noticed
it was up on Walmart site the other day to yeah,
it's all over the world, and it's available all over

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the place. I've got a few French friends who are
nagging that they want it to be translated into French
because they can read it but the mates can't. Maybe
that'll happen.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, there you go, that'll be something interesting. I guess
I've never I guess I've never thought about that. Yeah,
I mean books and you know, need to be probably
printed in a bunch of other languages as well, But
I guess I've never really paid attention to that. I guess, yeah,
there's other languages, but you know, I'm just so used
to just reading everything in English, so that does make sense.

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But yeah, that's a lot of a lot of work
to do that. I wonder if there's some way, if
they were to download it, that they could translate it
through some kind.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Of probably is on digital. Yeah, yeah, I'm not very
clued into all this digital stuff. But I know you
can listen into it being read by a robot, can't you?
Quite amusing listening to my book being read by a robot.
Every time I've left a gap, it goes asterisk asterisk asterisk.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
I guess I haven't tried that book that would be
kind of funny to listen to just put every little
thing that's that's funny.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, but there's so many things out there technology that
you know, is beyond and that's like a whole another
episode with everything they've come out with.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
But so you have your website, do you have any
other social media or just your website?

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I do have a Facebook page, and I write on
medium dot com, which is a writer's platform. That's about
it really. Oh I've got a YouTube channel okay, yeah,
Jess curs and YouTube channel where I don't physically appear,

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but I sort of write the stuff and then just
put images in to go with it. So yeah, wow, Okay,
all of those you can link to on my website.
So yeah, it's got a link to Facebook, it's got
a link to the YouTube channel. Then probably got one
to meet you as well, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Okay, perfect, perfect, Well, Jess, it was a pleasure having
you on the book was fantastic. I hope that it
really inspires a lot of people out there, especially if
they have children that are dealing with this or you know,
that this might give them some insight and some help
and maybe they can find others that are like you
to help them with their children as well.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, and I can stop leaving their disordered and except
that they're differently ordered, because that's the keyboard.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah right, yeah, thank you, yeah, absolutely so everyone please
go check out just this book, A mind beyond words.
And thank you Jess for being on It was a
pleasure talking to you.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Likewise, Alison, I've really enjoyed it. Thank you. Bye bye
bye