Rebroadcast : Gail Hayssen :Pyschic ,telepath ,remote viewing,and author

Rebroadcast: Come check out this rebroadcast of a very intersting author. someone who can communicate with someone without using words. Gail Hayssen, pyschic , remote viewing, and author will discuss what it's like to have these special abilites.

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Speaker 4 (02:04):
Hey everyone, welcome to another night of rip pertl one friends.
Sorry about the delay. We're having a little technical difficulties,
but we do have an awesome guest for you tonight.
We have Gail Heysan tonight. She is an author, a psychic,
a remote viewer, and a telepath and many more awesome things.
So please give a warm Welcome to Gail.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Thank you for joining us tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yes, absolutely, I'm super excited to hear about all your
stories and things. I was kind of reading up on
some of all these different things that you have done,
and I'm very excited to kind of dig into this.
So before we start, why don't you give a little
bit of background on yourself and how did you know

(02:48):
you had these abilities?

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Mm hmm, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
That This is boll.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
Mhm y.

Speaker 8 (05:41):
Right, yeah, but right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
Yeah, this has got to be moving to its her.

Speaker 10 (06:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
And experience.

Speaker 10 (06:42):
You were taught all of these things that now I
come to learn is really called remote viewing, or where
you could go to a place and distantly heal someone,
And that was pretty much the focus of taking this
particular course would be that the end of the two weekends,
you'd be able to be told the name and the
age in the city of where someone lived, and you

(07:03):
could go and meet their bodies in your little workshop
in your mind and tell them what's wrong with their
body and what's going on, and then you would work
on healing them by sending light or covering them in
you know, white white light or water or gold or
whatever things you felt. And so that was where I

(07:25):
ended up having more experiences like this because I was
doing these they were called cases, and I was doing
hundreds of them, and I was doing them in front
of audiences in hotels because it was the way of
selling this course, right, they'd say, and in two weekends,
you could do what Gail just did, told you all
about your friend and all she knew was the name
and the age and never met them, and the person

(07:47):
isn't even in the room, right, So that would be
a selling point. I just had a natural affinity for
all of that, and so I was then given tools.
And I was sixteen years old when I took this course,
so I was very young.

Speaker 11 (08:02):
And that.

Speaker 10 (08:05):
Showed me that I was able to, you know, reach
out and connect to people in distant places and find
out information that wasn't really readily available to me.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
And so that's like kind of like the remote viewing
correct telepath. Oh you can't hear me now? You can't
hear us? Oh my gosh, can you hear me now? No,

(08:39):
I'm gonna love these technicficulties. Can you hear me now?

Speaker 10 (09:06):
I can hear you now?

Speaker 6 (09:07):
No visual, but I can hear you.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Okay, Okay, I don't know why I.

Speaker 10 (09:13):
Up. Hello. Oh now I'm gone.

Speaker 11 (09:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Maybe I have to hold my cam corner now my camera.
Oh my goodness, I don't know what's going on. So,
like when you have that, is that what you would
call like the remote viewing?

Speaker 10 (09:33):
That is definitely I never called it remote viewing then,
because that right, but that's.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
That, that would be just like remote viewing.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Okay, perfect, Okay, that's what I was wondering. All right,
So you had all these did it ever? Okay? So
I have a question for you. This is a little weird,
but I have like dreamt of places that I've never
been before. Like I visually like knew the whole layout
of these places, and I've never been there and never

(10:04):
seen them before. Well, how could I dream?

Speaker 10 (10:10):
There's two thoughts on that them is if we believe
in reincarnation, and we believe that we've been here before,
maybe not necessarily in the same body, maybe not even
necessarily a female like you are now, uh huh could
have been to the place that way, or you could
have gone there in a state of sleep or dream

(10:35):
where you went to see a place and you actually
just like a remote viewing. You were in your dream
like state conscience went to that place and saw that place.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Okay, it's hard to know between the two.

Speaker 10 (10:49):
I know this sometimes when I've been to very old,
old places where you know, it feels like you were
there in some lifetime, but you're not sure exactly when
you have such an affinity for the place, or you
feel like home. You know, there's different things like that,
and I, you know, I don't know. I can't answer
with I'm not dead yet, so I can't answer with it.

(11:15):
I can say is that I know I've had experiences
with people who are deceased, and I don't know if
I'm hitting on their consciousness or if i'm you know,
if there's some kind of people call it a Kashak records.
I'm not exactly sure the answer. I just know there's
more out there than meets the eye.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, And I've noticed that too lately, like
I've been dreaming of people that were in my life
at a certain point but have passed on that I've
never really dreamt about, but recently have been in my dreams.

Speaker 10 (11:50):
Well for me, I just had one of those on
December first, and it was with somebody who was very,
very dear to me that I knew since I was
eleven years old.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
And she died during COVID up.

Speaker 10 (12:05):
In the town wood stuck in. Yeah, so I didn't
and I had said to her I would be there
for her family when that time came, because I was
their babysitter, so I knew her children's before they became mothers.
And because of COVID, we didn't get to be together.
And on December first, it was her birthday and she

(12:27):
had been passed on for passed away for I think
it's two years, and I have this powerful dream, and
the dream is so powerful that when I wake up,
I'm filled with the emotion of her and I feel
like my whole body feels like we've just been together.

(12:49):
Oh wow, I know that she's gone even though I
know this, and she sends me this sort of information.
We have this kind of exchange, and when I wake
up from that type of a dream, I'm deeply emotional
and I feel that I have those kind of dreams

(13:11):
where I really feel a connection to the person that deep.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
Excuse me, I feel some.

Speaker 10 (13:19):
Sort of connection was made, but I can't where is
it that we made this connection. Was it her spirit,
her soul?

Speaker 6 (13:27):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 10 (13:28):
I'm always sure that her essence and I were so
together that I could see her as clear as day
in the dream. But when I woke up, I could not.
I could not stop the dream, like for the whole day.
It always I felt like she was with me the
entire day. So that's the you know, I go by

(13:50):
the intensity of how the dream makes me feel to
let me know how it is. Okay, I'm wondering if
I should switch to these earbud things.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
It maybe it might help a little bit.

Speaker 10 (14:01):
I'm gonna help because I notice there are people in
my house and I don't think they realize I'm on.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
A call with you.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
So that's our time, and let's see if this makes
a difference for us. Okay, some people say, oh oh,
they're okay. I'm gonna go over here.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I can hear you, hopefully I.

Speaker 10 (14:26):
iPods okay, Gail's I pod pro hill buds. Okay, now
I'm not hearing anything. Are you hearing me?

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I can hear you. I can hear you a loud
and clear.

Speaker 10 (14:40):
Okay, all right, Well it's not working with these, so
I think you can bring me on the regular. Okay,
that's just that, we'll just stick with that. Yeah, that's
my feeling about that. And you don't have that is
sometimes where you don't remember a dream and then you're
walking around your house and you see something in the
whole dream comes back to you. Yes, I feel those

(15:04):
are important dreams. You're not supposed to ignore that dream, Okay,
you know.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, I've had several of those where I just like,
you know, some dreams you'll kind of remember and then
you wake up you're like, oh, remember that in the morning,
and then you don't. But then there's these ones, these
last couple of ones that I've had that have just
kind of like stuck with me. Yes, and I'm just
trying to interpret them like I'm not sure exactly like

(15:35):
one was, and they always happened before I go on
an investigation. These recent ones, like a couple of days
prior to an event we were doing, I had a dream
about my grandmother who passed away many yearyears ago, over
like twenty years ago, never dreamt about her, had a
dream about her. She was smiling at me, and my
parents didn't say anything. And then another investigation couple days

(16:00):
prior to that I had a dream about that location,
but there was two classmates of mine who are.

Speaker 12 (16:06):
Have passed excuse me one second, Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Sorry, this must be our crazy cold day.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That's okay, that's okay, and so and so, like I
was saying, I had this dream about two classmates. One
of them I've known since I was very very little.
I grew up with them. The other one I didn't
know as well, but she was an acquaintance. I knew
who she was, talked to her in passing. But they
both showed up at this location that we were investigating,

(16:52):
and I'm like, I go, Robert, why are you here?
And he's like, I don't know, you tell me. And
then the well, she never said anything, but she was
there the whole time. I don't know why they were there.
It was very bizarre to me. But one of them
had passed away a few years ago. The other one

(17:12):
was just with them last year, so it was very
interesting to me. I don't know exactly why they were there.
Why I'm starting to dream about people that I've passed.

Speaker 10 (17:23):
Well, I always asked them if they have a message,
Uh huh? Is there anything they wanted you to tell
someone else? Because I've had dreams where when a friend
of mine's mother had passed away, I hadn't seen her
in rezillion years, and I couldn't believe I was the
person she came to after.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
She passed, Oh my gosh, know that she was okay.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
And to please call her son and let him know
that everything was fine, not to worry that she was fine,
and just you know. So when I get those, I
just call the person up and I'd say, I have
this dream and it was a message for me to
give you my mother, and I just want you to
know this is what she said, and that's you know,
That's how I feel about that. With it with you

(18:07):
dreaming about two different friends, I don't know if they're
trying to get your attention about something, or if there's
more investigating work they want you to do wherever you
were going to do investigating huh sure. But I always
feel like when somebody like that comes to me in
a dream, I take it as some kind of message
that I is something for me to look at.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Right, Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. But I
guess I'll see if they pop up again or something.
I'm not really sure. It's just bizarre. I've never had
dreams like that before.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
So, oh, I haven't watched.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
I'll tell you what's the work. But what's not such
a great thing about some of them is when I
experienced their death. When they're dying, yeah, and so my
body goes through whatever physical something they're going going through,
and I'm not even aware that they're dying at that moment,
but all of a sudden, I'm you know, either I'm
throwing up or I can't breathe or whatever. Is that

(19:09):
their experience I start experiencing in my body. And that
came a little later in life. I didn't have that
all the other times. I would just have more like
what you're saying when they come to visit in a dream,
But the experiencing what they're going through at the same
time in my body, that can be a little exhausting.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
But oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's what I kind of
thought that I wasn't sure. I'm just like, I'll ask
somebody about it when it comes to but we'll see
if anymore pop up, and I'll go from there, and
then I'll just make sure that I ask them if
they have a message that they need me to pass along.

Speaker 10 (19:49):
Exactly. They might. You know, you may even talk to
them and say, I'm you know, everybody's doing good here
is there? You know, just just like a regular kind
of conversation.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Let's see here. Okay, So I had a question if
I can read my chicken scribbles here, But how can
you just cipher between a dream and that you're doing
like remote viewing. How can you decipher the two?

Speaker 10 (20:19):
Well, they're completely two different things because for me, in dreaming,
I may see the future. So I don't really consider
it exactly like remote viewing, because remote viewing it's when
I'm doing an intentional focus and I'm saying, you know,
when I'm doing remote viewing, usually it's with a scientist

(20:40):
or I'm a subject in an experiment. I don't necessarily
just do kind of random remote viewing on my own.
Just to do random remote viewing, I've done it because
so I mean, it's sort of like I guess you
could think of it almost like a little task or
a little you know, you're asked to do this specific thing,

(21:02):
which is to look at like say the ones I
did at interval research with Dean Raid.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
And yeah, that's another question I was gonna ask you.

Speaker 10 (21:09):
Yeah, Russell targ would be what they called I think
it's called precognitive. There's many different types of remote viewing.
Was remote viewing, which by the way, I've never been
trained in remote viewing, but it's something I do that
they call remote viewing. So I don't have any specific
coordinates or they're all different kinds like this, I just do.

(21:32):
In this precognitive is they would tell me at three o'clock,
the computer is going to select a random photo with
a random number generator. So this is a double blind experiment.
Nobody knows what photo is going to be picked. Photo
is then selected at three, but at one o'clock. I
would sit down with Russell, who was just an amazing

(21:53):
guy to do these sort of things with, and he
will just say, well, look up, look down, look around,
Just just draw or tell me what you see. That's all.
You don't have to think about it, which is the
worst thing to do is to think about it. You
don't have to name what the thing is. Just tell
me the colors, the object, what does it feel like.

(22:16):
And if you take your mind and put it to
the side so it doesn't interfere, and you let the
information that kind of comes up to you or you
Either for me it's auditory, you hear it or you
see it. Whichever way it comes for, you quickly catch
that because it fleets by very quickly.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
It's not like for me, if that's how it is.

Speaker 10 (22:39):
It's not like a I'm sitting there and thinking it's
the Eiffel Tower, the Eiffel Tower, you know. It's not
like Instead, I'll say, oh wow, there's a repetitious pattern
going up something very very tall. That's how they teach
you in remote viewing to never state the item like that,
but to describe okay, And the whole idea is to relax.

(23:02):
I believe everyone can do remote viewing. I don't think
it's us, you know, especial thing that only certain people
can do. I think everyone can do it. It just
has to do with being able to relax and let
your mind, you know, not interfere with the other information
that's out there and readily available to everybody. I just
had no idea that I could do this into the

(23:23):
future until they had me do this type of an.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Experiment, right, yes, So what would do What.

Speaker 10 (23:29):
Would happen is I would then draw off I'm not
a good I don't draw very well. So I would
write the things and tell them what I was drawing,
and then the target would come up a couple hours later.
It would be judged and decided whether that I really
hit the target or I didn't hit the target. And
that was the type of remote viewing I had done

(23:49):
when I first started in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (23:53):
So I've done all kinds of different remote viewing since then,
but that was a very interesting one. I always learn
something about how my you know, they're looking for different
data and scientific things and statistics because they're.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
Dealing with science.

Speaker 10 (24:09):
I'm only looking for my experience and what did I
learn from it. And I've learned so many different things
about myself by doing this with them. Even just the
other day, I was really getting that. I really get
a like a conceptual feeling of the target. I find
I get more like emotion about water or Things's parts

(24:30):
of the target that affect me, you know, the colors.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
I find that.

Speaker 10 (24:38):
After I do it and you do get a good hit,
you always feel well.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
I always feel kind of a surprise.

Speaker 10 (24:43):
But how it worked, you know, right, Yeah, I here
and say, oh, I can remote view anything that you
ever give me or any target. I don't know if
it will work every time. Kne of things work every time,
but I have a good enough record that scientists have
used me over and over again. And some of my
remote viewing has been shown to the Navy and a

(25:03):
talk at the Naval Academy. You know, I'm in a
couple of books, so you know, I know that what
I'm doing is what they're looking for. But I had
not done anything like that since I left that mind
dynamics and doing cases as a teenager, I didn't do
anything with working with other people. I only let whatever

(25:27):
natural things happened to me happened for like the next
thirty years or something. Well, I met Dean and Russell
and that's when I decided, Okay, this is for science.
There's no money involved selling me to somebody. This is
the right thing for me. And it's opened up a
whole new world. I've met the most interesting people, it

(25:48):
really has. Remote viewing has opened up a whole other
wonderful collection of people that came into my life.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
From that right. Yeah, And like I'm not sure how
to pronounce it. Is it the the Indians the show?

Speaker 6 (26:05):
Yes, yes, yes Indians, yes.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yes, yes, how did you come about getting in their graces? Like,
how did you become part of them?

Speaker 10 (26:16):
Good pick, good question because it came from a dream. Yes,
So here's where a dream.

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Changed my life.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
That's how much I feel about how important a dream is. Really,
it has to do with whether the person who's had
the dream listens or not. So I had a dream
that there was this man and he was waiting for
me to meet him at this Hanuman temple in Taos,
New Mexico. I've been in northern California. I woke up

(26:46):
from the dream. My sisters were visiting from New York.
The rest of my family lives in New York, and
my sisters were here, and my daughter was about I
think she might have been ten or twelve or something.
I'm not sure at the time. No, she must have
been under ten. And I wake up from the dream,

(27:07):
and it's such a strong dream that I tell my sisters,
I have to buy an airplane ticket. I have to
go to New Mexico tomorrow. I have to go to
this temple somebody there for me to meet. And I
followed this crazy dream. It was one of the crazier
things I've done. Oh my gosh, I just dropped everything
and I went to New Mexico and my life changed.

(27:31):
I ended up the Hanuman Temple and they were having
this big celebration called the Bandhara I think to Hindu celebration,
where a few hundred people were there in this little
small town, but everyone came for this event. And it
has to do with like a lot of food and
festive and marigold flowers. And there's this the monkey god,

(27:53):
the Hanuman Monk, I think that's the monkey God is
inside the temple and he's all decorated in flowers, and
it's this whole honoring thing. So I went there at
the right time, to this temple, and I had known
about the place because I'd met them at a retreat
I was at with ram Das and during the retreat,
i'd had this Cundalini experience. And they said, we're in

(28:16):
New Mexico. If you ever want to come visit us,
or you ever have any more of these experience experiences,
please pull us. You're always welcome. So I took their
invitation and I went to this thing and I and
within ten minutes of being there, I see this man
in the distance, and I had only once seen a
wheat chol event. So I didn't know anything about whea choles,

(28:37):
but I did see he was dressed in embroidered clothing.
I had no idea he didn't speak English, because I
just started talking to him about how I was sure
he was the man in my dream and I was
supposed to meet him in La La La. And then
he says, well, I don't you know, I don't speak English,
and we end up with my broken Spanish. We have
this communication which ended up in a you know, until

(29:01):
he passed on. We were always we were friends. From
that day on. He came and stayed with us here
in California and did his art. He was here doing
we chow art for a museum, and he said, we'll
invite you sometime to come down to Mexico. And one
day I got the invitation and they said that we're
having the ceremony, the ceremony, the Peyote ceremony, huh, and

(29:25):
we would like you to come. And so I flew
down to Mexico instantly with the one day notice, Oh
my gosh, and I ended up you know, on burrows hiking,
you know, sixteen hours up into the mountains into the
Sierra Madre Occidental, and I ended up meeting up all

(29:46):
these wonderful we chold people. I was the only white
person there and I was taken in like a family
member and have been involved with them since that. And
that was in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
And I've, you know, whatever I can to help.

Speaker 10 (30:02):
I've you know, contributed money for buying like a ton
and a half of masa to feed all the peyoteros
when I was there, the only people. I've made six
trips there, and you do need to present yourself and
be invited. It's not an area you can just say, oh,
it doesn't work like that. And right now I have

(30:24):
our dear friend Julio, who was my first friend Miguel
that I met in Taos. It's his cousin and he
comes up and visits and stays with us. And we've
been doing this together for over twenty years. Oh wow,
so it's a long term. You know. My son is
thirty one years old, and he was blessed by the
Wee Scholes when he was a seven or eight month

(30:45):
old baby when some of the Shamans were here visiting.
So he has a wee Shol named Matsua and He's
been invited down there many times to come and meet
their people who've always wanted to meet him. I have
this very nice, wonderful relationship with a very beautiful people,

(31:06):
and I try to do whatever I can to help,
And my house is always open for any of them
to come here when they're coming through or you know,
now with COVID it's a lot different, but we've had
a lot of wheat cholls here at the house.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
So when was it that you walked across those hot coals?
And how did that feel on your feet? Like I
was just like, oh my gosh, I don't know if
I could do that, like I've seen it done, but
I'm like, holy hell, that probably burned like a mother exactly.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
How am I in all these things? Spoon bending, HOI,
cold walking, any of these things. I always approach it with,
you know, a little bit of skepticism, like I'm not
sure how this is really going to work, or rapers
know what they're doing, or should I be doing this.
This was a case where I was involved in a

(31:58):
shamanism conference and for about fifteen years, and this woman
Ruthing Hinds, would bring shamans in from all over the world.
So you would have this like I call it, like
a Shmorgas board of shamans.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
In a three day conference.

Speaker 10 (32:15):
You could see shamans from you know, South America, shamans
from Asia, shamans from Mexico, and they would all share
a ceremony or you know, part of their culture. So
what I did was I had a building in the
back of I live in a big piece of property
and I had a building in the back and it
was used as storage, and I reconverted it into a

(32:37):
place to have ceremonies. So I would invite them to
come to my house after the conferences were over, before
they had to go back to whichever country they came from,
if they'd like to do some small intimate you know.
Instead of one hundred people, have like twelve people. And
one of them was this woman Vladimira, who came from

(32:58):
Russia and was doing like a lot of Siberian shamanism,
and she had incredible rituals that she did. So she
would come and do these rituals at my house when
she'd come in, you know, once or twice a year
to the country. So one day she says, we and
I'll tell you we did rituals where you laid on

(33:20):
your stomach and hot wax was poured along your spine
and slowly dripped down so that you could release the
energies of the whether it's your DNA or invisible, but
the things that you held from your ancestors in your
body that you're carrying with you. So it was like
you would get these visions as the hot wax was

(33:42):
poured down your back, and you would release these images
of family or relatives so that they could all go
on and you know, be peaceful. She had another one
where we had to be blindfolded, and I have a
fifteen acre apple orchard, and all these people were walking
around with blindfolds amongst the trees, and she would just
be guiding with her voice. She wasn't blindfold and she

(34:04):
was watching us all and we all walked around sensing what,
feeling the energy around you. Then she.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Uh, we lost your sound again. We lost your sound.
Hang on, yep, hang on a second. I don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (34:28):
There were go no, I can't. All of a sudden
I saw your mouth moving, but then there was no
sound again. You can't hear Oh my Frick's sakes.

Speaker 10 (34:39):
Lost you again. I'm not sure if you can hear me.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (34:44):
Can you?

Speaker 13 (34:45):
I continue on the story, but I can't hear you. Okay,
So the rest of the story, the rest of the story,
and I think the whole process.

Speaker 10 (35:01):
You know, none of your audience should go out there
and do what I'm explaining we did. I think there's
something in the power of the person who's conducting it.
Whether it's a shaman or a hot coal professional, I'm
not sure, but there's something they bring to the table
that protects you. I think if you were to lay
down a bed of coals and just go running across
it yourself, chances are you maybe get burned. I'm not

(35:24):
so maybe just don you want to do this. But
if Ladimir comes to your house, then I can tell
you she does a great job. So my son laid
out the coals, and we had about eight or ten
people here, and.

Speaker 6 (35:37):
She made the coals had to go for hours and hours.

Speaker 10 (35:41):
He kept having to feed this fire. And it was
sort of the shape of a rectangle about I don't know,
five or six feet wide and ten or twelve feet
long and when she looked and decided. We did all
kind of ceremony on the.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Other side inside for this.

Speaker 10 (35:59):
Call walking and we were chanting and we did, you know,
some lovely things together and some singing.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
And then when she said the time was right, she said,
now we're going to do this.

Speaker 10 (36:11):
And my son, who said he participate, and he was,
you know, raking the coals.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
He did not choose off. He said, I cannot do this.

Speaker 10 (36:19):
What does thebate mine? He said, but I'll take care
of it for you, and he filmed it and took
pictures of it. I was a little nervous myself. I
had my friends come through with her, and the look
on their face of empowerment when they came to the
other end of the coals.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
It was very exciting to see and the amount of
joy they felt.

Speaker 13 (36:43):
So I was still standing there, hesitating, and Vladimir just
takes my arm and she just gave let's go, and
we go rushing through the coals.

Speaker 10 (36:53):
And I think I did it out hand a dozen
times after that. It was so exhilarating. And you know,
if you take just a little burning match head, just
with the flame is off, and you touch your finger,
it hurts I cannot tell you why this got There
was no pain, there was no hotness, there was it
just I don't know.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
It's like you were one with the coals and it
did not burn you in any way.

Speaker 10 (37:17):
And it was very exhilarating and you felt very transformed
from doing the experience.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
And it immediately helped.

Speaker 10 (37:26):
Me the next day because the next day we went
horseback riding at the beach because we don't live far
from the Pacific Ocean here, like a twenty minute drive.
And when we got out on the horses, and I've
been on you know, horses maybe six times in my
life where somebody's you know, moving around with.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
You know, taking you on it, or I've never gone
galloping off into.

Speaker 10 (37:46):
The fields or anything. Horse it collapses.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 10 (37:54):
And if I had not been in that state of
powerful presence that you had after doing this.

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Cold walking the night before, my.

Speaker 10 (38:03):
Leg would have been crushed. The people behind me when
they saw how fast the horse collapsed, they all were thinking,
you know, we're gonna have to take her into an ambulance.
And instead I somehow got my you know, my foot
out of the stirrup. I was standing up when the
horse collapsed instead of falling down underneath him with him.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
And it was just like like I was one with
the horse.

Speaker 10 (38:27):
Wow. And I don't believe I could have done that
had I not had Coald walking the night before.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (38:33):
And then I was told the reason that happens is
very rare. That you're on the body of the horse.
The woman said to me at the at the stable. Oh,
you must be a spiritual person. I don't do that
with a person on him. It's the shedding season and
they like to scratch their underbelly, but they don't usually
do that when a person is sitting on top of them,

(38:54):
so that's all the horse was trying to do. He
was fine, Oh my gosh, you know, went on down
to the rest of the beach. So on my audio,
I can't hear you, but I am here.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Okay, let me see if I can get this here
real quick.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
Let's see.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I don't know what the hell is going on. Can
you hear me now? Anything? Anything? Bueler, let's h my god, okay,

(39:35):
let's see here. If what are you there?

Speaker 8 (39:38):
It goes?

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Can you hear me now?

Speaker 10 (39:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Can you hear me now? I don't under Can you
hear me.

Speaker 8 (40:05):
Okay, no, oh.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
My break, I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Let's see.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
How about now can you hear me?

Speaker 10 (40:20):
Nothing?

Speaker 4 (40:27):
How about now can you hear me?

Speaker 10 (40:34):
Hello?

Speaker 11 (40:35):
Buler, Buler, Hello, I can hear you?

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Can you hear me? Okay? All right, here we go.
We're back in business. I tell you what, I don't
know what happened. All her settings are just so screwy
on the computer right now. I'm not Yeah, it could
have been, that is what I'm thinking.

Speaker 6 (41:13):
All right.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
We do have some questions that have been coming in
through chat, but before I get to those, I wanted
to kind of touch base on your experiences with you
talked about the spoon bending and then also the table tipping.

Speaker 14 (41:30):
Yeah, oh wow, oh my gosh, oh yeah, I can
see that. Holy smokes, you annihilated that, Scholas.

Speaker 10 (43:13):
And you would hold the device in your hand like this,
and you would start as a group. There's I think
maybe one hundred people they are doing this at the time,
and you start rubbing the utensil with your fingers, and
as you focus your attention on it and you say
to it, not just quietly, you're screaming at the item, bend, bend, bend,

(43:38):
and you're just rubbing the metal, and all of a sudden,
it's this moment which you just have to know. In
that moment when you feel it, it's like the metal
turns to liquid and this solid object that you see
twisted around twice and bend to all these different directions.
I can't unbend it back anymore. But in that moment,
it felt like I was seeing holocules or something and

(44:01):
that everything was liquid jumping around. And that's when I
just went like this and twirled it and the fork
just twirled around twice effortlessly. Ho I just touched the
tongues and they would just bend right down. So I'm
not particularly a bender where I can do this anytime
I find a piece of silverware. Ah, But I know

(44:22):
that this done because I did it and I saw
other people doing it. And there are some people, just
like in remote viewing or piano playing or sports, there's
some people who have a talent for that that for them.
I know this woman, she bends bars of steel and
she can just take the bar and just go like this,
Oh my gosh. And she didn't know until she took

(44:43):
this class also that she was a bender. Wasn't like
she saw it in her mind. Yes, this is my goal.
I want to be able to bend things. It was just, oh,
let's try this, and you know that'd be one of
the things I would say to your audience. Be skeptical,
but be open and see for your own self how
this might work for you, and that the possibility could
be that you can bend or that you can be psychic.

(45:05):
You have to first be open to the possibilities. And
I can tell you firsthand that this is a true thing.
You really can do this. I did come home back then.
This was about I don't know, maybe ten years ago,
and I had my kids in here bending silverware, silverware everywhere.

(45:26):
The table tipping was another story. A dear friend of mine,
doctor Stanley Kripner, who's if you're interested in dreams, he's
written many many books on dreams. He ran the dream
Lab at the Maimandi Center in Brooklyn back in the
fifties when they were waking people up from their dreams

(45:47):
to try to figure out what was going on in
the dream world. So he called me up and said,
I have a friend here and a couple people, and
we want to do table tipping. After we saw this
movie at one of the parasitcology conferences, I think, and
it was in Russia, and it was this Russian psychic man,
you know, rotating this table around, and he said, we

(46:10):
want to try and see if we can really do that.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
So I thought the same thing, I've a table tipping.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
How silly could this be? Would this really happen or whatever?
So we went and met in his friend's basement, who
was a lawyer, and I think three of these people
were in their eighties, and the other there was a
French medium, myself and two scientists. The two scientists joined later,
and when we started, we sort of needed to create

(46:39):
some kind of connection because none of us knew each other,
and we just started by sitting at a round table
in his basement, placing our hands on this table and
just focusing that we wanted the table to raise. And
then we started realizing that there were other things we
sort of needed to do in there, which is we
added happy upbeat music.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
We decided to just talk lightly.

Speaker 10 (47:03):
And happily about things and that at the same time
be focusing that we wanted this table to raise, and
sure enough, after a few tries, the table started to vibrate.
Then on the next session, the table started to rock.
By the time we'd been doing.

Speaker 6 (47:21):
This for six months, I think to a year.

Speaker 10 (47:24):
I can't remember how long the table started moving around
in the guy's basement.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 10 (47:32):
And we would have our hands on the table, but
the table would have its own direction of where it
wanted to go. And you know, there were times I
was worried the table was going to hurt one of
our elderly people because it was slamming down so hard
near but into our legs. And it was a heavy table.

(47:52):
And so when we ended up with the table that
was walking around, someone suggested we go from a forty
pound table which was rocking, to a table that was
more a smaller table like you see in some of
these videos of people doing table tipping. There's a lot
of fakes out there, and there's a lot of you know,
videos you'll see that aren't real. I'm telling you from

(48:13):
experience what I experienced on a very real there is
some kind of combination where I feel spirit is entering
at the same time in these table tippings we were doing,
so we weren't exactly necessarily asking for a specific spirit
to come in and their whole focus was only for
the table to go, but we'd end up having temperature

(48:36):
changes in the room, like you would get freezing cold
in there or incredibly hot, And this would not have
anything to do with the weather or their heating system
or any window being open. All the windows were sealed.
Breezes would come blowing through there, and we would have
experiences where the three of us would be seeing the
same sort of an image of someone being there and

(48:59):
getting sort of information about that person. So I feel
like two things were happening. I don't know if the
spirit was partaking and that's how he was talking to
us through the table, or the spirits that were just
sort of coming in. Besides this, we did get to
a point where the table was many inches off the floor,
but only side on the side, you know, like two legs.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Mutill be down but not.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
It was not satisfying the gentleman who was trying to
do this experiment. He wanted it to go straight directly up.
So we were working toward the straight directly up experience.
But then COVID hit and the idea of gathering together
with people over there, you know, and they say, you know,
we had to be very careful right, So we've not

(49:45):
able to see each other in the last two years,
but one of the scientists did start writing up papers
of exactly each moment and time and when the act
the activity started to come faster and faster. And if
you read up about table tipping, you'll see there's something
about forming a group that you do the same thing

(50:06):
with over and over again. So we did it like
once a month, and each time we met, we had
stronger and stronger and faster and faster responses with the table.
It was fascinating and I have to say the first
time it happened, I went into hysterics of laughter. Everybody
went into laughter. We couldn't stop laughing. I was laughing

(50:29):
the whole way home because it was like the most
I'm not sure why it made a laughter type exhilarated feeling.
And that table starts to rock uncontrollably like that, and
your hands are just resting gently on top of it.
It's pretty fun.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
I bet it is.

Speaker 10 (50:49):
It is. In fact, one of the I had said,
I think we need a candle, because I believe spirit
seized candle and the flame. So we put a candle
in the middle of the table and it flung across it.
Nearly could have caught Stanley on. The one thing was
there was the other fellow, but the wax covered all
over them, and none of us was throwing a candle

(51:10):
at anybody.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Gosh. Wow.

Speaker 10 (51:14):
So I don't know if there's anything else about the
table tipping. I could tell you because it's been a
new recent experience for me. But I really enjoyed, you know,
doing this with these people.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Yeah, that would be amazing to witness.

Speaker 10 (51:30):
I did take a video of it. Yes, couldn't figure
out because we were doing these things in the dark.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
It had put glow sticks on the edges of the table,
taped them on so that I.

Speaker 10 (51:41):
Could see the glow sticks swaying in the wow. But
at one point I said, you know, let's just flip
the light on for a second and see if it
works even in light.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
Uh huh.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
That's when I got some good footage. But it's not footage.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
It's footage that any skeptic could say, well, we can't
see those other two people. It's not footage which I
would ever share because there's too many things in the
picture that could make you think, oh, what if something
was going on on the side. But for me, it
was wonderful to have that footage because I was sitting
there knowing that was really happening.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Wow, that's amazing. I've heard about table tipping, but I've
never really experienced it, and I just, you know, I wonder,
you know, some of that stuff you see, you don't
know if they're you know, faking it or what.

Speaker 10 (52:30):
But it's exactly well. I think you can go online
or anywhere and find out about the table tipping, because
I think it started in eighteen sixty eight or something
like that, eighteen seventy five, I don't remember the years.
But there were large groups of people that were faking it,
and there were some groups that were not faking it,

(52:53):
and there were skeptics who busted the ones that were
setting up things under the table and making it all happen.
But there were people that, you know, if you want
to try it, you could just go online and check
out what they say, whether it should be in a
dark room. For us, we found having music playing, We
had a candle. We didn't go pitch black dark or anything,

(53:15):
and we used the same spot and the same people,
and we switched the table midway to a different type
table more of a smaller lightweight table. You could try this.
You could find three friends or someone that you know
that would be interested, or anyone in your audience could
do that and just sit there each time on a
set thing, you know, for us, I think it was

(53:36):
on Tuesdays, I don't remember, and have your thing and
just see what happens, just for the fun of it,
and just go into it lightheartedly, not with any heavy right,
it has to happen, and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Yeah, can where'd you go? We need to try that
somenight we're going to do some table tipping.

Speaker 10 (53:57):
We are. And we liked using wood table, wood table, Okay, yeah,
but I'm sure you can use anything you want, but
that would be coming from That would be my few
things I would use. I would use a wood table.
It shouldn't be you know, like twenty pounds or you know,
something like that. That giant. And we did experiments differently
with our hands, like did we get more of a

(54:20):
reaction if our hands were touching each other by the tips?
Was it better to have our hands further back? So
there are things you can figure on your own as
you're trying it. And it really was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yeah, I think it would be fun. That's why Kim
and I need to try it somenight. We need to
get somebody else with us, and we're going to try
some table tipping. Okay, so maybe if any of our
guests want to join us some night, we'll have to
pick a night, try it out a few times and
see what happens. All right, So we do have some
questions and chat here, so I'm going to kind of

(54:54):
go through a couple of those before we start to
wrap things up. Me, I gotta get in.

Speaker 10 (55:03):
If I can't answer it, I'll just say I don't
know the answer, but I do.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
That's perfectly fine. Yep, all right, let's see here. I
have to read my writing. It's I have terrible writing.
They want to know if you do any astro projecting.

Speaker 10 (55:26):
Do they mean what do they mean by that? Do
I go to another place? Why I'm still here?

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (55:35):
The last times that I did astro projecting was I
was experimenting with the fact that I used to do
it as a kid, and I wanted to see whether
I could still do that as an adult. And so
what I tried was first leaving and just being in

(55:56):
my house. Then I tried going above my house. Then
I went and went above my city, and then I
went above California.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
And I had a very wonderful experience.

Speaker 10 (56:10):
Doing this and realizing that yes, I really could go
out and see this all from sort of an aerial view,
even though I was laying in my bed in Sebastopol.
But it's not something that I do, you know, sit
there concentrate and say, oh, yes, I want to go
travel to this place. Sometimes I feel like I, all

(56:33):
of a sudden just get propelled somewhere. All of a sudden,
I feel like I'm God. I feel like just over
there right, and you know, like yeah, kind of a thing.
But that's not an intentional one. The one that I'm
speaking about was intentional where I said, I wonder if
I could go further or further? Could I go above
the planet or could I go And it was a
very it was a very exciting experience. I really enjoyed it.

(56:55):
But it's not something that I that's not like my
thing that I do intention like that, all.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Right, So then they had another question here, they want
to know what causes deja vu?

Speaker 10 (57:15):
What do they think causes dejah vou? I don't know
except a feeling of knowingness, like you've been there before.
Is this is this because we're all old souls and
we've been in this lifetime and other lifetimes. I'm not sure,
but to me, that's one of the possibilities for that.

(57:38):
The deja vou is, you know, like you're sure you've
been there. Or there's people where they go places and
like they know what's the next room, they know where
the next you know. The Buddhists do this with their
young when they're looking for the lama or the monk
or whatever the position is going to be. They want
to see whether that child can recognize the bowl or

(57:58):
the plate or the cup of the person they think
that that this has been reading, this child has been
reincarnated from. They seem to recognize all the possessions that
belong to one particular person. They feel that that would
be the person who has reincarnated.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I do I feel like I have. I mean I
did for a while there where you know you're dreaming,
you'd be like, okay, I've already done this, like I've
already done this, or you know, I know what's going
to happen next, Like there was like a whole spell,
like for like I don't know, like a month straight
like every dream. It seemed like, Okay, I've already done
all this, like why but I hadn't.

Speaker 10 (58:38):
So do you what you should do, which you may
be doing already, but is you should write those dreams down.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Yes, I know. I've been told so many times. Yes, yes,
they're like, you need to write down your dreams. You
need to write down all this stuff. And then I'm like,
I'm going to do it, and then I haven't yet.

Speaker 10 (58:54):
But just leave that pen and a pad next to
your bed, because that's the only way you'll do it,
is if you do it before you get out of
the bed. I have to say, I don't write down
my dreams that often, except when they're very powerful ones.

Speaker 6 (59:09):
But when I was.

Speaker 10 (59:12):
I had cancer in my thirties and I was in
a nine day silent meditation retreat with Joseph Goldstein. It
was of a positive meditation in Hawaii. And one of
the rules of the when you sign in is you
know you can't you can't speak to anybody, you can't
make phone calls, you can't do any things you're signing to.

(59:34):
You know that these are the rules. Well, one of
the rules. Because I'm a rule breaker, I know that
you were not to write down your dreams or anything.
You weren't supposed to be journaling or any of this
because they're getting you out of your mind and into
a different, you know place. I understand. But I was
dealing with cancer at the time, and I needed to

(59:55):
write my dreams down. And when I look back at
that after or I healed from the cancer and I
read those dreams, they didn't make sense to me when
I was writing them down then. But when I reread
them years later, surviving that and then seeing what was
sent to me in the dreams, they all made sense.

(01:00:15):
And I felt really good to know that, I really
that I broke the rule, kept this little journal of
those dreams, and they showed healing and things in the
dreams that I wasn't getting at that time. You know,
sometimes you don't get what the significance of what the
dream is saying. So that's why I highly recommend you know,
get yourself a little journal book and start writing them down.

(01:00:38):
Even if you just write down like the essence of
the dream, you know, few things you saw in it,
whatever might remind you of what was in the dream.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Okay, yes, I need to do that. I've had so
many people tell me I just need to start doing
it because I have some pretty.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
Weird, vivid dreams that you rancur if you're two whatever,
where you don't want to write it down for me.

Speaker 6 (01:01:01):
I like the pen and paper thing.

Speaker 10 (01:01:03):
You could use your little voice on your phone thing
that has always click and say, oh, today's dream was
I was in the bed and then somebody came in
and the pouring rain was started, and then I saw
someone in the window that had died.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
Okay, and that would take you two seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Then maybe some of these things, maybe I can connect
the dots and figure out why I have them. That's
kind of my thought.

Speaker 10 (01:01:28):
Yeah, I think that's it. Or they then they may
kind of piece together and give you a message.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Absolutely. Okay, let's see here we have another question here.
Have you ever done scrying? And if so, did it work?

Speaker 10 (01:01:43):
I don't know what's crying is and I've never done it,
but I don't even know what it is. Do you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
It's basically kind of you use you use a mirror,
and I believe part of it has to be kind
of blacked out and you may see things through the mirror.
Is that kind of correct. I've never actually done it.
I've just heard of it, and they, I know you
have to use a mirror for it, but I've never
done any of it personally.

Speaker 10 (01:02:10):
What I have used a mirror for, though, is deflecting
negativity coming at you. Like I was having something and
I was feeling like a lot of bad energy was
being directed to me, and someone told me, take a
mirror and put it in the windows of your bedroom
where you're sleeping to deflect any So that. So that,

(01:02:32):
And then in shamanism in the Wee Schol and in
Mongolian shamans, who I've been involved with both, they use mirror.
A mirror is worn around you, hanging from your neck,
but it's made out of brass. In the Wheat Schols,
it's an actual mirror, and it's used to talk to

(01:02:53):
the spirits or to to protect you from negativity coming
at you when you're doing shamanic work. So the uses
I know of, Mira, but I've never done the thing.
She asked.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Oh, and I don't know if I.

Speaker 10 (01:03:13):
Should mention that they if anyone is interested in any
of these other talks or or these things.

Speaker 6 (01:03:18):
Yes, I have a podcast right now.

Speaker 10 (01:03:21):
But yes, I saw.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:03:24):
The best thing for me to share is my web
page because you go to a small medium at large
dot co o, you will find all these shows and
when you send me your link, I'll put your show there.
There's amazing stories I've written on the site medium there,
and there's good information.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Very yes, because that was the next thing before we
started wrapping up. I was gonna ask you to where
people could find your information and are you in the process.
Are you wanting to write a book? Did I see
something about that?

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Are you ready wrote a book a small media art?

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
Yes, And I'm in the middle of just this. I've
just approached another publisher this week that my friend Russell
sent me to, and I'm going to decide, you know,
if it doesn't work out that way, if I'll just
go to the self published route like most everybody does
these days.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
So my February is.

Speaker 10 (01:04:22):
Dedicated to getting that completely in the right pathway so
that it can be released.

Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Very awesome, very awesome. Can't wait for that. Make sure
you guys check out Gail and I will post your information,
your website and stuff on our social media as well,
so if people don't quite catch it on here. If
we're having some kind of weird sound issue again, hopefully
we're not knock on wood, it'll be posted on our

(01:04:51):
social media. It wouldn't be our show if we didn't
have something every now and then that would pop up.
I don't know why it does that, but it just does.
But quickly, I'd like to give quick shout outs here
to everybody who was in chat. We had Kim, Alison, Matt, Darren,
Hunted Kentucky. Sorry I'm getting piccups and Nick. Thank you

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everybody who was in chat and participating. Thank you for
everybody who was not in chat but listening. We appreciate
each and every one of you. Next week we will
be back with let me get his name real quick.
Oh my gosh. I love technology, I really do, not really,

(01:05:33):
but it has just been We'll be back if we
have a computer that hasn't been thrown. What oh yeah,
didn't you throw your computer? She's about ready to.

Speaker 10 (01:05:49):
All. It's giving me a good lesson that you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Uh huh, you don't. You just never know anymore. You
never know. You think everything okay, you check everything, everything
is set right, and then you get on and nothing
works and you just gotta kind of reel it in
and just let it go and have fun with that.

(01:06:18):
That's well, thank you, We try, we try. But so
next week we'll be Robert Lindsay Milney. He is a
psychic medium, so he's gonna be on, also known as
the Hippick or Hippick Hippie Psychic. Oh my gosh, I
can't even talk now, so make sure you guys join

(01:06:40):
us for that. Thank you Gail again for being on.
Like I said, we will put your information on our
social media so everybody can find you. And I hope
you have a great night and great weekend and happy
holidays to you. Yess yes, absolutely anytime. It'll be an

(01:07:02):
absolute blast to have you back on because I'm sure
you have plenty more stories to discuss. Oh yes, absolutely.
Oh man, then now our sound just went again. Okay,
kill the show. It's telling me now something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Thank you for listening to I Rep Paranormal and friends.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Be sure to check out Kim and Allison on Facebook
at I Rep Paranormal Busters.

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
She is invisible, She's there, she is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Yes, she hides off the camera, but yes, I don't
know what's going on. But oh my goodness,