July 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Check out this re broadcast of Dona Masi, discussing her book "The Taking". a book about alien abductions .
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Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hello everyone, welcome to Rip Paranormal one Friends. We have
a special guest joining us, Donna Massey. Now, before we
get into this, we're gonna be talking about her new book,
The Taking. But before we get into that, let me
just give you a little bit of background on our
special guest. Donna is a writer and an editor whose
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short fiction and articles are used in reading and writing
assessments throughout the United States. Her articles about the art, environment,
and current affairs have appeared in Foster's Daily Democrat, Seacoast Newspaper,
and Portsmouth Press. She's also a playwright, so she said,
two of her plays have been formed at the Promiston
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Theater Company. Also with her fiction and as in her playwriting,
she loves bringing relatable characters to life and depicting them
in all their heroic, heroic and flawed humanity. Her debut novel,
The Taking, was inspired by her interests in Ufo folklore
and reports of alien encounters. With a BA in Liberal
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Studies from Vermont College. She earned her MA in Liberal
Studies from the University of New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So welcome, Donna. How are you good?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Thank you for having me, Allison, Yes, to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Absolutely, I'm glad we finally were able to connect here. Now,
your book, The Taking, I have to say I could
barely put it down. It was very very good.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm really into UFOs and abductions and things of that
nature as well.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And so I want to know, how how did you pee?
How did you.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Get interested in in UFOs, in abductions and things of
that nature.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah, well, it really goes back all the way to
my childhood. My mom was interested in them and so
I probably rubbed off on me. We used to talk
about them a lot of Being from New Hampshire too,
it's a hotspot for UFO activity, as are many places
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in the country and around the world, and we've had
our fair share of kind of famous incidents of legend.
And so those two things I was really aware of,
like certain famous stories in UFO history from New Hampshire
and around the country.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And when I was.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
A little kid, I saw something and I you know,
I think it's hard to tell whether I really saw
something or whether it's a dream at this point or
my imagination, but it's stuck with me all these years,
and sort of I'm sure that that might have been
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a spark for my interests too.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Then.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
From I mean, I always was reading books about UFOs
and watching things on television, documentaries, et cetera, not only
about UFOs but about.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
The paranormal in general.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I was just really interested in it too, So I
kind of gravitated to any kind of literature that that
was the topic.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
And so just kind of learn more and more about it.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
And you know, I often look on the move on
website and the mutual UFO network and for reports all
over in New Hampshire too, because of course they have
state organizations everywhere as well. And so my interest in
UFOs kind of led me to, as I said, research
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the topic on my own, kind of informally. But when
I was in grad school, I took an anthropology class
and our assignment was we had to write, you know,
research paper about a culture other than our own.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I talked my professor.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Into letting me write about UFO folklore and which you know,
he was kind of well, was that really new culture?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
And I said, well, yeah it is. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
So anyway, I talked talked him into it, and that
led me to write, you know, like a thirty page
research paper, oh wow, alien abductions. And you know, so
I talked with I talked with witnesses, I talked with investigators,
a ufologists, a folklorist, a UFO folklorist, and that was
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really interesting and I ended up writing the paper. One
of the books and I read and one of the
books that I read was by John Mack, the psychiatrist
from Harvard. I don't know if you're familiar with him,
but back in the eighties and nineties, he treated almost
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one hundred people who were suffering from you know, trauma
and fear and they seem to have some kind of
base in paranormal experiences, and you know, some of them
had an inkling about what was going on, some of
them had no clue. But through his treatment with these patients,
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the conclusion seemed to be that a lot of them
were experiencers of UFO phenomenon, either seeing things or actual
abduction experiences. And doctor Manac was a skeptic, you know,
open minded, but after treating patients for several years, he
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kind of became a really outspoken.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Believer in them.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
So he kind of became one of the faces of
this is a real phenomenon. And he was highly criticized
for it, as many people are who come form and
they're just told it's their imagination, or there just be sensationalists,
or they're out for attention, etc. All the allegations that
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are you know, through and he is kind of very
controversial and remains so to this day. And he kind
of went one of the well, I don't want to
digress too much, but one of the things that he
did was go to Tanzania to talk with young kids
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at a school who had a group encounter during their recess,
and so he interviewed many witnesses at the school. And
this was back in nineteen ninety six. So there's a
great documentary about it on Netflix that I watched. Watched
I can't remember what it's called, but anyway, so he
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really pursued it hot and heavily, and when I read
his book, it was the first time it ever occurred
to me that while this is really a story about
human beings, not just aliens, I mean, because if it's
all true, there are real people that are being affected
by this, and these experiences are really scary and traumatic,
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and people don't know what to do. They don't have
any control over what's happening to them. If they're abductees,
they don't know if they'll have another one when it's
going to come. And on top of that, they're often
isolated because they don't want to share their experiences, fearing
that they won't be believed or they'll be mocked.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
So he really gave me.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Food for thought, and that's I think when I began
to at least subconsciously had the idea to write a
novel about it. Being a writer, I found it to
be a real madic topic that had potential to be emotional, suspenseful.
And you know, I didn't get my ideas for the
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book directly from him the story at all, of course,
and in my stories fiction right, But at the same time,
some of the themes do come from what I gave
from read doctor next write.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That was Yeah, that was one of my questions with
your book. You know, it's the Taking, and it's about
a man and his daughter whose wife had mysteriously disappeared
when Avera, who's the daughter, was born, and she's having
all these unexplained things happened to her. And so I
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was wondering with your book. You said that some of
it was kind of based off of that. But with
all your research and everything that you've done, do you
think that's kind of where you've got your inspiration to
write this book.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Oh? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
And you know some of the a lot of the details, well,
I've said all the details about what Fear goes to,
and I mean They're really gathered from research that I've done,
all the reading and what I've learned about the characteristics
of an abduction experience, the actual abduction and what happens.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know, when as.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's occurring, and also the feelings the emotions that abduction
victims go through.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
So yes, definitely it was.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I relied on or drew from the research that I
that I had done.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Now, besides what you thought, you know, you said you
possibly may have had like an experience, seen something when
you were younger.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Now with in your.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Research, do you know anybody like specifically, like that you're
close to or a friend or anything that's had some
kind of encounter with some unexplained being.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Well, yes, I've met a couple of people who say
that they are abduction you know, alien abductees, and also
people who have seen strange things and have had multiple sightings.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
So yes, definitely acquaintances.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Plus I sought people out when I was writing my
research paper for my course and spoke with them. And
then when I told people that I know what I
was doing writing research paper and I was looking for
people to talk to, well, then I had people that
I didn't know that I knew that I didn't know
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it had experienced. Tell me about that, tell me about them.
They said, don't use my name. I'm not going to
do that anyway, But they just wanted to be clear
that they didn't want to you know, they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Be anonymous, right, So yeah, I have and.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Researchers too that I spoke to, Like, I spoke to
some mof ON investigators, And I also had a long
conversation with Kathleen Martin, who was a ufologist and pretty
famous in the field too.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
She's the niece of.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Betty and Barney Hill who had an encounter alien abduction
encounter in New Hampshire. That's very famous story back in
nineteen sixty one. And Kathy was, you know, like thirteen
or so when that occurred, and she was a primary
source for that because you know, she lived through all
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of that with Betty and Barney, and in her family
they've you know, not only she's since come forward after
many years of kind of being silent and say that
she herself was an experience there and other people and
her family were. So that was an amazing conversation to
hear all about the Hill case and some of Kathleen's
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experiences too, So yeah, yeah, I guess an opportunity to
talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Now besides that, besides that one that you just talked about,
are there any other really interesting cases that you've read
about or heard about or anything during the research.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean, of course, there's the Travis Walton case, which
is another one that's very famous, where he was abducted.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
In Arizona.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
He was working on a logging crew and they were
coming back down off the mountain one night after working
and they saw a very bright light in the sky
right over them, and they stopped and Travis jumped out
of the truck. For some reason, he was drawn to
do that, and they were all the rest of the
guys were just panic stricken. They're like, get back in
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the car, and get back in the car. And then
you know, I mean, it swept him up in this
bright light and he was abducted. And he was missing
for I think four or five days, and then all
of a sudden, his brother in law got a phone
call that and he was just he didn't have Travis
didn't have any memory of what had happened at the time. Later,
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I guess the details started coming to him. The guys
he was with were actually suspected of killing him.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Wow, And they all took Lyde.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Detector tests passed, so pretty soon they were and they
all their stories were so consistent, so pretty soon you
know they are no longer suspects. But of course the
police had a hard time believing their stories at first.
I was watching a documentary about it, or just a
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few days ago, about the Travis Walten case, and they
say somebody, some reacher search said their night might be
physical proof now up at the site of his abduction.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
And that was fifty years ago.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Oh wow, do you know that was recently discovered or
in the last ten years or something, meaning that, Well,
I think, let's see if I can remember it correctly.
That the trees around the area or in the area
where the abduction tastes take place, are filled with radioactivity
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and they have accelerated growth compared to the trees the
other trees that were right outside the area. And when
they chopped the trees down, they saw that the rings
to indicate that there was a lot more growth, that.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
The rings were really wide.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You know, the trees grow faster and faster, the rings
get wider, so there were interesting things there that they've
discovered at the site. Wow, you know, so who knows.
But that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So that that story.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
There's another interesting one from New Hampshire about uh this,
and this is a long ago too. It's called the
incident at Exeter. It actually Exeter, New Hampshire, has a
UFO festival every year and the day weekend to commemorate
it or remember it, you know. And but this young
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guy was hitchhiking late one night and he saw a
spaceship or a spacecraft just kind of come right into
the middle of the road and hover there in front
of him, and just he was freaked out. And then
it took off eventually, so he kind of like stood
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out in the middle of the road when the next
car came by, waving his arms, screaming and yelling he
wanted to get out of there. Car gave him ride
to the police station and one of the officers there
went out to the site with him to investigate.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And the UFO showed up again.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Oh wow, Yes, it was witnessed by this police officer
and it was there, I mean, it was just there
and they and then the officer radioed for another officer
to come too.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
It was the thing was still there.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
So we had two police officers and this young guy
and they witnessed it for like, I don't know, fifteen
to twenty minutes before it took off and then it
just went zip right back into the sky and poof,
it was gone.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So that's a really famous case.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
And you know, I mean, there's so many that are
that are really interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I could go on and.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
On now going back to the the Betty and Verney
Hill one. What what of their story makes that so
believable to you?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
M m, Well, there's a lot of I mean, there
were no other witnesses to it, but there's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Information or details that sound pretty credible.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Credible when they I mean when they got back home finally,
after they were on this trip from Canada back to
their home in Portsmouth and they were driving through the
White Mountains of New Hampshire, they found these unusual markings
on their back of their car, like big splots, black spots,
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and for some reason, you know, Betty called her sister,
who's Kathy Martin, and told her about them. And for
some reason her sister said, do you have you know,
ghetto compass?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Or something.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I don't know why she said that, but at any
rate she did. And the compass was going crazy over
these spots, and they called the local Air Force base.
At the time, there was an Air Force base around here.
They sent out an officer to investigate. He used to
guide her Geiger counter. They were radioactives. Betty had a
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new dress on, and that dress is actually an artifact
at the University of New.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Hampshire just down the road.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
They have an exhibit of artifacts from the case in
their Special Collection Library, so you can go and see
these artifacts. But anyway, Betty had a dress on. The
dress was all torn. It was a brand new dress.
The zipper was ripped it and they it had a
strange pink powder on it. When she got home that morning,
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she took it off and put it in her closet
and it stayed there for like forty years. They tested Finally,
she's taken to a scientist who tested it and they
could not identify any known substance to account for the
the coding of like this powder that was all over it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
And then there was also when she says her they
had so much they started to have bad dreams about
something that happened to them and all this anxiety. So
they eventually went to a psychiatrist and they were put
under hypnosis, and that's when a lot of the details
of their stories came out. They didn't remember anything from
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when they were driving down the road after they'd seen
the UFO until you know, they had this lost time
and then they were driving down the road and they
lost two hours and they didn't know what happened. So
all of these details about their variances, the whole abduction affair,
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came out during their hypnosis. Their stories were very consistent,
the two of them, and so there was that as well,
and to make it sound really credible.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I mean, you can argue that sometimes.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Hypnosis is sketchy, but there was there was that. And
then Betty throughout her life had more encounters claims and
Kathy has memories of going out with They used to
go looking for you. Betty always wanted to see them again,
and Kathy said that they saw them sometimes when researching,
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so Betty had Betty felt like she was being sought
out by them.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
There was one other thing I was going to say
that was support.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I can't remember what it was, but there were a
load of of of different details like that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Oh, I know what I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
When Betty Betty was on board the craft, she she
asked one of them, well, you know, I want people
to know what happened and where do you?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Where are you in the universe.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
So they gave her there was a map, like a
star map, and they gave her a copy of it.
But she said that the other creepy it beings didn't
want her to have the map, so they took it
away from her. But later, under hypnosis, she recreated it. Well,
it turns out that there was a there were missing
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pieces in the map that astronomers couldn't account for, I
mean or there, or that they couldn't account for what
they saw on the map. So later on, probably about
ten years later, these certain sets of stars that were
in the map were actually discovered by astronomers later on,
so that there's there's that piece. But it's known as
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like the first modern UFO abduction story in modern history.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Wow, it's pretty for me. It's a compelling story.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Now with reading about you know, different adduction stories and
things of that nature, and with your research, is it
pretty common for the abductees not to have any recollection
really of what happened, or that they feel that they
lost time.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah, it is common. I mean I don't know if
it's if there are exceptions to it. There may be,
but yes, it is very common for them to have
this sensation of lost time and not know what happened
to them, but have a sense that something did, or
maybe not even recollect but have subconscious impact of the experience.
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You know, nightmares like Betty and Barney did pretty common,
and things coming back slowly to them, even if they
don't go under hypnosis, but remembering bits and peace, but
not being able to put it all together. And then
oftentimes eventually they put things together and it comes breaking
through from their subconscious mind into their conscious memory and
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their stays. When I had my experience as a kid,
I mean I was only like seven grade, I had
a sense that I had missing time from that experience too.
I don't think that I had an abduction experience, but
I think I observed somethingthing.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Know, I mean I looked up at it, and well,
I saw it. It was like a cigar shaped object
in the sky. It looked to me like it had windows.
I got the sensation that it was aware of me
looking at me, and I had a sensation of you know,
I was conscious of some present and then I, you know, look,
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I said to myself, and this is a line.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
This line is in the book. Do all fiction in
the book. But I said, if my step myself, that
looks like a plane, but it doesn't have wings. And
then I looked away from it. The second and.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Between when I was looking at it, it looked away
and then looked back at it.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I had a sense of missing.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Time, like you know, if you have I don't really
black out for a second. You know, something that might
have happened, but you don't know what it was. Right anyway,
when I looked back up it, I was just terrified.
I was so scared that I just took off running
and I ran back to school. When I got into
the classroom, the teacher didn't even seem to notice me
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coming in late. There were no other kids in the
playground at that point. It was because it was recess.
But I was all alone, and I kept thinking, Oh,
the teacher's going to be mad at me because I'm late. Well,
nobody noticed me coming in. Wow, this class and when
I I went to my desk and when I sat down,
I forgot all about it. It was almost like that
was a trigger moment where I forgot all about it,
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and then I would I didn't remember it for a
long time, but then would come and go, the memory
come and go, come and go, and then finally one
day I remembered it. And it's very clear, and I'm
very sure that I I don't well, I'm not very sure.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I can't say that, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I may have it may have been real, you know, right,
but there's no proof of it other than.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
My memory, your memory and experience. What do you think
there are sole purposes extraterrestrials? What do you think their
sole purposes as you know, for coming here?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, what are you What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Well, I guess it depends on a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
If you believe, if you think that there's a multiple
species that are coming here, they could all have different
motivations for it. Some people have pop have reported having
positive experiences with these visitors, and they're not you know,
they may be afraid at first, but that but then
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eventually they feel like it's been a positive experience.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
And that they're teaching.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Them something and that, and others are just feel that
they're just negative, uh, and they're scared of them, and
you know they so they may be scared of them
just because it's so weird and they don't want to
accept what's going on, whether the beings motivations are benevolent
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or malevolent, and others feel that they do have a
dark agenda.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I mean, of course you probably I've heard all.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
About you know, were they making human alien hybrids and stuff?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
And why is that? Everybody? You know? So I think
it depends on who you ask me. I don't you know,
I don't know. I can think that if one.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Species has visited us, and if there there must be
other advanced civilizations that would have the same capacity to
travel wherever they choose to, and their reasons for coming
might be different than other species. And of course you
know there's people's when they have these encounters, they say, Okay,
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well they look somewhat human and they don't look human.
They look like, you know, they're gray, they have big
eyes like the eyes and mouths. Others say they're reptilian.
I've heard some people say that the reptilians are no good, dangerous.
The grays are no good. So it's hard to say
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it's I whether they're not. You know, it's a scary
thing for me to think about, too, just because it
would be so mind blowing to see come face to
face and say, oh, my goodness, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's not, you know, hypothetical anymore.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
I've witnessed it, and I know this is real, and
my mind is just blow knowing that there's just all
these alternate realities that we don't experience, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Now with your book, do you think that readers will
come away from reading it believing that UFOs and abductions
are real?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Possibly? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I don't know if I meant to convince anybody about anything,
but you know, I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Explore these questions of.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
The existence and also what's the impact on people, So
they very well may they may open their mind a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
If they were skeptics to begin with.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I think the idea of being abducted by aliens, whether
you believe or not, is pretty dark, scary and alarming,
and anybody would be a lot of people don't believe
in vampires were wolves, but the idea of it.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
It is pretty scary, right.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I would I would like I would love it if
people came away with it considering that, considering the idea
that the experiencers, you know, this is really a profound
experience on them, has a huge impact on their lives,
and it's a lot to deal with, you know. And
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so if somebody comes to them a good friend is that,
oh you won't believe what happened to me, you know?
Or can I tell you something and you promise not
to criticize me, They would be maybe empathetic toward that,
not necessarily dismiss it right away.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Right, absolutely, Excuse me, Sorry, I had a little tickle
on my throat there with your book The Taking, you know,
it talks about abductions and things like that, but it
also goes into the relationship between the daughter and the
father and things of that nature. What do you think
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hope that people take away from that aspect of it?
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well, in relationship like the UFO abduction experience, I want
people to see how much how important it is to
have people that support them if they're going through this
and there to believe them, because I think it can
make all the difference in how somebody handles it.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
And you know, it's a frightening experience. It can be.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
It's very frightening for people who are close to those
who are going through if they happen to know about it.
And you need all that, you need empathy, you need
people to believe, to believe you, even of course they
can't control it, they can't stop it, right, but you know,
you have the person who's going through that experience and
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abducting it and they're like, well, what do I do?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
How do I have a normal life given what I'm going.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Through with all the unpredictability and the weirdness of it all,
And how do I deal with the fear and the
anxiety that I have. So to have people in your
life that you that are love you and will support you,
and that is important because there's another character.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not to give away too.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Much, it doesn't have that, you know, it's a totally
different experience.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So I would like people to think about that. That's
definitely one of the central ideas in the book.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Where can your book The Taking be purchased?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yeah, sure, well it's on Amazon, It's on Kindle, Barnes
and Noble, It's on a lot of retail sites for
books are sold also on the on my publisher's website, Collectiving.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
You could find it there.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
You just have to, I think, you know, just search
for it dot A Massy the taking on the website,
so it's up there for purchase too. And actually the
published release date in the United States is January first,
so there's just in a few days right school. And
it had been a pre launch for many months. It
published in the UK in December, so I'm officially a
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published novelist now, yeah, but in the US I will
be so on January first, so it's kind of a
cool way to start off the new year.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It is.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yeah, there's a I have a website.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
It's dot AMSC dot com, d NA m A SI
dot com. And there's I have a button there where
you can order it too. It takes you right to
Amazon to order it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Perfect. Do you have any other social media or anything
in case any of our.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Listeners have any questions for you or want to yea
talk to you about your book or anything that nature?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
On my website there is a comment page so you
can leave a comment. And I'm on LinkedIn, I'm on Facebook,
you know, And I also I'm on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm kind of getting started with the Instagram.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Okay, yeah, I haven't done too much yet, but I
am on Instagram to look for me, and so those
are the best ways.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I do have a TikTok I mean Twitter account, but
I haven't been too active ending up with my social media.
But yeah, LinkedIn Facebook, Instagram, on my website for sure,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Perfect, absolutely Well, thank you Donna for being on, and
thank you to.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
All of our listeners. Please go check out her book,
The Taking. As of January first of it'll.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Be published here in the US, so make sure you
grab your copy of That is a truly wonderful book.
I did really enjoy it thoroughly, so thank you very
much for that, Donna, and thank you for being on
the show and presenting us with this book and your
information and knowledge on UFOs and alien inductions.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
It was truly a pleasure to have.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You was it was fun. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I love being here, yes, absolutely, and thank you everybody
for listening.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Until next time, Goodbye.
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Speaker 3 (02:04):
Hello everyone, welcome to Rip Paranormal one Friends. We have
a special guest joining us, Donna Massey. Now, before we
get into this, we're gonna be talking about her new book,
The Taking. But before we get into that, let me
just give you a little bit of background on our
special guest. Donna is a writer and an editor whose
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short fiction and articles are used in reading and writing
assessments throughout the United States. Her articles about the art, environment,
and current affairs have appeared in Foster's Daily Democrat, Seacoast Newspaper,
and Portsmouth Press. She's also a playwright, so she said,
two of her plays have been formed at the Promiston
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Theater Company. Also with her fiction and as in her playwriting,
she loves bringing relatable characters to life and depicting them
in all their heroic, heroic and flawed humanity. Her debut novel,
The Taking, was inspired by her interests in Ufo folklore
and reports of alien encounters. With a BA in Liberal
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Studies from Vermont College. She earned her MA in Liberal
Studies from the University of New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
So welcome, Donna. How are you good?
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Thank you for having me, Allison, Yes, to be here.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Absolutely, I'm glad we finally were able to connect here. Now,
your book, The Taking, I have to say I could
barely put it down. It was very very good.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm really into UFOs and abductions and things of that
nature as well.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
And so I want to know, how how did you pee?
How did you.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Get interested in in UFOs, in abductions and things of
that nature.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah, well, it really goes back all the way to
my childhood. My mom was interested in them and so
I probably rubbed off on me. We used to talk
about them a lot of Being from New Hampshire too,
it's a hotspot for UFO activity, as are many places
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in the country and around the world, and we've had
our fair share of kind of famous incidents of legend.
And so those two things I was really aware of,
like certain famous stories in UFO history from New Hampshire
and around the country.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And when I was.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
A little kid, I saw something and I you know,
I think it's hard to tell whether I really saw
something or whether it's a dream at this point or
my imagination, but it's stuck with me all these years,
and sort of I'm sure that that might have been
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a spark for my interests too.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Then.
Speaker 6 (05:05):
From I mean, I always was reading books about UFOs
and watching things on television, documentaries, et cetera, not only
about UFOs but about.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
The paranormal in general.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I was just really interested in it too, So I
kind of gravitated to any kind of literature that that
was the topic.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
And so just kind of learn more and more about it.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
And you know, I often look on the move on
website and the mutual UFO network and for reports all
over in New Hampshire too, because of course they have
state organizations everywhere as well. And so my interest in
UFOs kind of led me to, as I said, research
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the topic on my own, kind of informally. But when
I was in grad school, I took an anthropology class
and our assignment was we had to write, you know,
research paper about a culture other than our own.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I talked my professor.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
Into letting me write about UFO folklore and which you know,
he was kind of well, was that really new culture?
Speaker 5 (06:15):
And I said, well, yeah it is. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
So anyway, I talked talked him into it, and that
led me to write, you know, like a thirty page
research paper, oh wow, alien abductions. And you know, so
I talked with I talked with witnesses, I talked with investigators,
a ufologists, a folklorist, a UFO folklorist, and that was
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really interesting and I ended up writing the paper. One
of the books and I read and one of the
books that I read was by John Mack, the psychiatrist
from Harvard. I don't know if you're familiar with him,
but back in the eighties and nineties, he treated almost
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one hundred people who were suffering from you know, trauma
and fear and they seem to have some kind of
base in paranormal experiences, and you know, some of them
had an inkling about what was going on, some of
them had no clue. But through his treatment with these patients,
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the conclusion seemed to be that a lot of them
were experiencers of UFO phenomenon, either seeing things or actual
abduction experiences. And doctor Manac was a skeptic, you know,
open minded, but after treating patients for several years, he
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kind of became a really outspoken.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Believer in them.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
So he kind of became one of the faces of
this is a real phenomenon. And he was highly criticized
for it, as many people are who come form and
they're just told it's their imagination, or there just be sensationalists,
or they're out for attention, etc. All the allegations that
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are you know, through and he is kind of very
controversial and remains so to this day. And he kind
of went one of the well, I don't want to
digress too much, but one of the things that he
did was go to Tanzania to talk with young kids
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at a school who had a group encounter during their recess,
and so he interviewed many witnesses at the school. And
this was back in nineteen ninety six. So there's a
great documentary about it on Netflix that I watched. Watched
I can't remember what it's called, but anyway, so he
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really pursued it hot and heavily, and when I read
his book, it was the first time it ever occurred
to me that while this is really a story about
human beings, not just aliens, I mean, because if it's
all true, there are real people that are being affected
by this, and these experiences are really scary and traumatic,
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and people don't know what to do. They don't have
any control over what's happening to them. If they're abductees,
they don't know if they'll have another one when it's
going to come. And on top of that, they're often
isolated because they don't want to share their experiences, fearing
that they won't be believed or they'll be mocked.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
So he really gave me.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Food for thought, and that's I think when I began
to at least subconsciously had the idea to write a
novel about it. Being a writer, I found it to
be a real madic topic that had potential to be emotional, suspenseful.
And you know, I didn't get my ideas for the
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book directly from him the story at all, of course,
and in my stories fiction right, But at the same time,
some of the themes do come from what I gave
from read doctor next write.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
That was Yeah, that was one of my questions with
your book. You know, it's the Taking, and it's about
a man and his daughter whose wife had mysteriously disappeared
when Avera, who's the daughter, was born, and she's having
all these unexplained things happened to her. And so I
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was wondering with your book. You said that some of
it was kind of based off of that. But with
all your research and everything that you've done, do you
think that's kind of where you've got your inspiration to
write this book.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Oh? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
And you know some of the a lot of the details, well,
I've said all the details about what Fear goes to,
and I mean They're really gathered from research that I've done,
all the reading and what I've learned about the characteristics
of an abduction experience, the actual abduction and what happens.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You know, when as.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's occurring, and also the feelings the emotions that abduction
victims go through.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
So yes, definitely it was.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I relied on or drew from the research that I
that I had done.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Now, besides what you thought, you know, you said you
possibly may have had like an experience, seen something when
you were younger.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Now with in your.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Research, do you know anybody like specifically, like that you're
close to or a friend or anything that's had some
kind of encounter with some unexplained being.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Well, yes, I've met a couple of people who say
that they are abduction you know, alien abductees, and also
people who have seen strange things and have had multiple sightings.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
So yes, definitely acquaintances.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Plus I sought people out when I was writing my
research paper for my course and spoke with them. And
then when I told people that I know what I
was doing writing research paper and I was looking for
people to talk to, well, then I had people that
I didn't know that I knew that I didn't know
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it had experienced. Tell me about that, tell me about them.
They said, don't use my name. I'm not going to
do that anyway, But they just wanted to be clear
that they didn't want to you know, they wanted to.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Be anonymous, right, So yeah, I have and.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Researchers too that I spoke to, Like, I spoke to
some mof ON investigators, And I also had a long
conversation with Kathleen Martin, who was a ufologist and pretty
famous in the field too.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
She's the niece of.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
Betty and Barney Hill who had an encounter alien abduction
encounter in New Hampshire. That's very famous story back in
nineteen sixty one. And Kathy was, you know, like thirteen
or so when that occurred, and she was a primary
source for that because you know, she lived through all
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of that with Betty and Barney, and in her family
they've you know, not only she's since come forward after
many years of kind of being silent and say that
she herself was an experience there and other people and
her family were. So that was an amazing conversation to
hear all about the Hill case and some of Kathleen's
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experiences too, So yeah, yeah, I guess an opportunity to
talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Now besides that, besides that one that you just talked about,
are there any other really interesting cases that you've read
about or heard about or anything during the research.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I mean, of course, there's the Travis Walton case, which
is another one that's very famous, where he was abducted.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
In Arizona.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
He was working on a logging crew and they were
coming back down off the mountain one night after working
and they saw a very bright light in the sky
right over them, and they stopped and Travis jumped out
of the truck. For some reason, he was drawn to
do that, and they were all the rest of the
guys were just panic stricken. They're like, get back in
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the car, and get back in the car. And then
you know, I mean, it swept him up in this
bright light and he was abducted. And he was missing
for I think four or five days, and then all
of a sudden, his brother in law got a phone
call that and he was just he didn't have Travis
didn't have any memory of what had happened at the time. Later,
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I guess the details started coming to him. The guys
he was with were actually suspected of killing him.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Wow, And they all took Lyde.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Detector tests passed, so pretty soon they were and they
all their stories were so consistent, so pretty soon you
know they are no longer suspects. But of course the
police had a hard time believing their stories at first.
I was watching a documentary about it, or just a
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few days ago, about the Travis Walten case, and they
say somebody, some reacher search said their night might be
physical proof now up at the site of his abduction.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
And that was fifty years ago.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Oh wow, do you know that was recently discovered or
in the last ten years or something, meaning that, Well,
I think, let's see if I can remember it correctly.
That the trees around the area or in the area
where the abduction tastes take place, are filled with radioactivity
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and they have accelerated growth compared to the trees the
other trees that were right outside the area. And when
they chopped the trees down, they saw that the rings
to indicate that there was a lot more growth, that.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
The rings were really wide.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
You know, the trees grow faster and faster, the rings
get wider, so there were interesting things there that they've
discovered at the site. Wow, you know, so who knows.
But that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So that that story.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
There's another interesting one from New Hampshire about uh this,
and this is a long ago too. It's called the
incident at Exeter. It actually Exeter, New Hampshire, has a
UFO festival every year and the day weekend to commemorate
it or remember it, you know. And but this young
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guy was hitchhiking late one night and he saw a
spaceship or a spacecraft just kind of come right into
the middle of the road and hover there in front
of him, and just he was freaked out. And then
it took off eventually, so he kind of like stood
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out in the middle of the road when the next
car came by, waving his arms, screaming and yelling he
wanted to get out of there. Car gave him ride
to the police station and one of the officers there
went out to the site with him to investigate.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And the UFO showed up again.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
Oh wow, Yes, it was witnessed by this police officer
and it was there, I mean, it was just there
and they and then the officer radioed for another officer
to come too.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
It was the thing was still there.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
So we had two police officers and this young guy
and they witnessed it for like, I don't know, fifteen
to twenty minutes before it took off and then it
just went zip right back into the sky and poof,
it was gone.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh wow.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
So that's a really famous case.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
And you know, I mean, there's so many that are
that are really interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I could go on and.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
On now going back to the the Betty and Verney
Hill one. What what of their story makes that so
believable to you?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
M m, Well, there's a lot of I mean, there
were no other witnesses to it, but there's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Information or details that sound pretty credible.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Credible when they I mean when they got back home finally,
after they were on this trip from Canada back to
their home in Portsmouth and they were driving through the
White Mountains of New Hampshire, they found these unusual markings
on their back of their car, like big splots, black spots,
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and for some reason, you know, Betty called her sister,
who's Kathy Martin, and told her about them. And for
some reason her sister said, do you have you know,
ghetto compass?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Or something.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I don't know why she said that, but at any
rate she did. And the compass was going crazy over
these spots, and they called the local Air Force base.
At the time, there was an Air Force base around here.
They sent out an officer to investigate. He used to
guide her Geiger counter. They were radioactives. Betty had a
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new dress on, and that dress is actually an artifact
at the University of New.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Hampshire just down the road.
Speaker 6 (20:36):
They have an exhibit of artifacts from the case in
their Special Collection Library, so you can go and see
these artifacts. But anyway, Betty had a dress on. The
dress was all torn. It was a brand new dress.
The zipper was ripped it and they it had a
strange pink powder on it. When she got home that morning,
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she took it off and put it in her closet
and it stayed there for like forty years. They tested Finally,
she's taken to a scientist who tested it and they
could not identify any known substance to account for the
the coding of like this powder that was all over it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Oh wow.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
And then there was also when she says her they
had so much they started to have bad dreams about
something that happened to them and all this anxiety. So
they eventually went to a psychiatrist and they were put
under hypnosis, and that's when a lot of the details
of their stories came out. They didn't remember anything from
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when they were driving down the road after they'd seen
the UFO until you know, they had this lost time
and then they were driving down the road and they
lost two hours and they didn't know what happened. So
all of these details about their variances, the whole abduction affair,
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came out during their hypnosis. Their stories were very consistent,
the two of them, and so there was that as well,
and to make it sound really credible.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I mean, you can argue that sometimes.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Hypnosis is sketchy, but there was there was that. And
then Betty throughout her life had more encounters claims and
Kathy has memories of going out with They used to
go looking for you. Betty always wanted to see them again,
and Kathy said that they saw them sometimes when researching,
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so Betty had Betty felt like she was being sought
out by them.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
There was one other thing I was going to say
that was support.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I can't remember what it was, but there were a
load of of of different details like that.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Oh, I know what I was gonna say.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
When Betty Betty was on board the craft, she she
asked one of them, well, you know, I want people
to know what happened and where do you?
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Where are you in the universe.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
So they gave her there was a map, like a
star map, and they gave her a copy of it.
But she said that the other creepy it beings didn't
want her to have the map, so they took it
away from her. But later, under hypnosis, she recreated it. Well,
it turns out that there was a there were missing
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pieces in the map that astronomers couldn't account for, I
mean or there, or that they couldn't account for what
they saw on the map. So later on, probably about
ten years later, these certain sets of stars that were
in the map were actually discovered by astronomers later on,
so that there's there's that piece. But it's known as
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like the first modern UFO abduction story in modern history.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Wow, it's pretty for me. It's a compelling story.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Now with reading about you know, different adduction stories and
things of that nature, and with your research, is it
pretty common for the abductees not to have any recollection
really of what happened, or that they feel that they
lost time.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah, it is common. I mean I don't know if
it's if there are exceptions to it. There may be,
but yes, it is very common for them to have
this sensation of lost time and not know what happened
to them, but have a sense that something did, or
maybe not even recollect but have subconscious impact of the experience.
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You know, nightmares like Betty and Barney did pretty common,
and things coming back slowly to them, even if they
don't go under hypnosis, but remembering bits and peace, but
not being able to put it all together. And then
oftentimes eventually they put things together and it comes breaking
through from their subconscious mind into their conscious memory and
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their stays. When I had my experience as a kid,
I mean I was only like seven grade, I had
a sense that I had missing time from that experience too.
I don't think that I had an abduction experience, but
I think I observed somethingthing.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Know, I mean I looked up at it, and well,
I saw it. It was like a cigar shaped object
in the sky. It looked to me like it had windows.
I got the sensation that it was aware of me
looking at me, and I had a sensation of you know,
I was conscious of some present and then I, you know, look,
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I said to myself, and this is a line.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
This line is in the book. Do all fiction in
the book. But I said, if my step myself, that
looks like a plane, but it doesn't have wings. And
then I looked away from it. The second and.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Between when I was looking at it, it looked away
and then looked back at it.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
I had a sense of missing.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Time, like you know, if you have I don't really
black out for a second. You know, something that might
have happened, but you don't know what it was. Right anyway,
when I looked back up it, I was just terrified.
I was so scared that I just took off running
and I ran back to school. When I got into
the classroom, the teacher didn't even seem to notice me
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coming in late. There were no other kids in the
playground at that point. It was because it was recess.
But I was all alone, and I kept thinking, Oh,
the teacher's going to be mad at me because I'm late. Well,
nobody noticed me coming in. Wow, this class and when
I I went to my desk and when I sat down,
I forgot all about it. It was almost like that
was a trigger moment where I forgot all about it,
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and then I would I didn't remember it for a
long time, but then would come and go, the memory
come and go, come and go, and then finally one
day I remembered it. And it's very clear, and I'm
very sure that I I don't well, I'm not very sure.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I can't say that, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
I may have it may have been real, you know, right,
but there's no proof of it other than.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
My memory, your memory and experience. What do you think
there are sole purposes extraterrestrials? What do you think their
sole purposes as you know, for coming here?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, what are you What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Well, I guess it depends on a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
If you believe, if you think that there's a multiple
species that are coming here, they could all have different
motivations for it. Some people have pop have reported having
positive experiences with these visitors, and they're not you know,
they may be afraid at first, but that but then
(28:10):
eventually they feel like it's been a positive experience.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
And that they're teaching.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
Them something and that, and others are just feel that
they're just negative, uh, and they're scared of them, and
you know they so they may be scared of them
just because it's so weird and they don't want to
accept what's going on, whether the beings motivations are benevolent
(28:37):
or malevolent, and others feel that they do have a
dark agenda.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I mean, of course you probably I've heard all.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
About you know, were they making human alien hybrids and stuff?
Speaker 5 (28:50):
And why is that? Everybody? You know? So I think
it depends on who you ask me. I don't you know,
I don't know. I can think that if one.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
Species has visited us, and if there there must be
other advanced civilizations that would have the same capacity to
travel wherever they choose to, and their reasons for coming
might be different than other species. And of course you
know there's people's when they have these encounters, they say, Okay,
(29:23):
well they look somewhat human and they don't look human.
They look like, you know, they're gray, they have big
eyes like the eyes and mouths. Others say they're reptilian.
I've heard some people say that the reptilians are no good, dangerous.
The grays are no good. So it's hard to say
(29:49):
it's I whether they're not. You know, it's a scary
thing for me to think about, too, just because it
would be so mind blowing to see come face to
face and say, oh, my goodness, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's not, you know, hypothetical anymore.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
I've witnessed it, and I know this is real, and
my mind is just blow knowing that there's just all
these alternate realities that we don't experience, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Now with your book, do you think that readers will
come away from reading it believing that UFOs and abductions
are real?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Possibly? Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
I don't know if I meant to convince anybody about anything,
but you know, I wanted to.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Explore these questions of.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
The existence and also what's the impact on people, So
they very well may they may open their mind a
little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
If they were skeptics to begin with.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I think the idea of being abducted by aliens, whether
you believe or not, is pretty dark, scary and alarming,
and anybody would be a lot of people don't believe
in vampires were wolves, but the idea of it.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
It is pretty scary, right.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I would I would like I would love it if
people came away with it considering that, considering the idea
that the experiencers, you know, this is really a profound
experience on them, has a huge impact on their lives,
and it's a lot to deal with, you know. And
(31:36):
so if somebody comes to them a good friend is that,
oh you won't believe what happened to me, you know?
Or can I tell you something and you promise not
to criticize me, They would be maybe empathetic toward that,
not necessarily dismiss it right away.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Right, absolutely, Excuse me, Sorry, I had a little tickle
on my throat there with your book The Taking, you know,
it talks about abductions and things like that, but it
also goes into the relationship between the daughter and the
father and things of that nature. What do you think
(32:13):
hope that people take away from that aspect of it?
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Well, in relationship like the UFO abduction experience, I want
people to see how much how important it is to
have people that support them if they're going through this
and there to believe them, because I think it can
make all the difference in how somebody handles it.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
And you know, it's a frightening experience. It can be.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
It's very frightening for people who are close to those
who are going through if they happen to know about it.
And you need all that, you need empathy, you need
people to believe, to believe you, even of course they
can't control it, they can't stop it, right, but you know,
you have the person who's going through that experience and
(33:06):
abducting it and they're like, well, what do I do?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
How do I have a normal life given what I'm going.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Through with all the unpredictability and the weirdness of it all,
And how do I deal with the fear and the
anxiety that I have. So to have people in your
life that you that are love you and will support you,
and that is important because there's another character.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not to give away too.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Much, it doesn't have that, you know, it's a totally
different experience.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
So I would like people to think about that. That's
definitely one of the central ideas in the book.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Where can your book The Taking be purchased?
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Yeah, sure, well it's on Amazon, It's on Kindle, Barnes
and Noble, It's on a lot of retail sites for
books are sold also on the on my publisher's website, Collectiving.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
You could find it there.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
You just have to, I think, you know, just search
for it dot A Massy the taking on the website,
so it's up there for purchase too. And actually the
published release date in the United States is January first,
so there's just in a few days right school. And
it had been a pre launch for many months. It
published in the UK in December, so I'm officially a
(34:30):
published novelist now, yeah, but in the US I will
be so on January first, so it's kind of a
cool way to start off the new year.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It is.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yeah, there's a I have a website.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
It's dot AMSC dot com, d NA m A SI
dot com. And there's I have a button there where
you can order it too. It takes you right to
Amazon to order it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Perfect. Do you have any other social media or anything
in case any of our.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Listeners have any questions for you or want to yea
talk to you about your book or anything that nature?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
On my website there is a comment page so you
can leave a comment. And I'm on LinkedIn, I'm on Facebook,
you know, And I also I'm on Instagram.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm kind of getting started with the Instagram.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Okay, yeah, I haven't done too much yet, but I
am on Instagram to look for me, and so those
are the best ways.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I do have a TikTok I mean Twitter account, but
I haven't been too active ending up with my social media.
But yeah, LinkedIn Facebook, Instagram, on my website for sure,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Perfect, absolutely Well, thank you Donna for being on, and
thank you to.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
All of our listeners. Please go check out her book,
The Taking. As of January first of it'll.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Be published here in the US, so make sure you
grab your copy of That is a truly wonderful book.
I did really enjoy it thoroughly, so thank you very
much for that, Donna, and thank you for being on
the show and presenting us with this book and your
information and knowledge on UFOs and alien inductions.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
It was truly a pleasure to have.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You was it was fun. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I love being here, yes, absolutely, and thank you everybody
for listening.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Until next time, Goodbye.
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