Bonus: "Mr McMahon" Documentary Review. Should You Watch It?

 In this episode,  Maria & Carlos, along with their guests Wayne and Dre from Podcast Championship Wrestling dive into the newly released Mr. McMahon documentary ! 🎬 They share their reactions, thoughts, and opinions on the  series about the controversial WWE chairman and his impact on pro wrestling. 🤔 From behind-the-scenes insights to shocking revelations, they break down all the key moments and discuss if it's a must-watch for both hardcore wrestling fans and casual viewers. 💥 Is it worth your time? Tune in to find out! Let us know your thoughts in the comments!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey, welcome, we are revisiting the Mania WrestleMania Rewatch podcast.
I'm Carlos, and if you haven't noticed, we are not alone.
We have our friends of the podcast, Wayne from podcast
Championship Wrestling, and hiding behind the logo, we have Drake.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yep, I'm waving.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And today we are going to be talking about the
documentary that's sitting that's setting the Internet wrestling community ablaze,
the Mister McMahon documentary, and uh maybe we'll also do
for some of us that may have gotten see it
compared to another documentary that came out two years ago

(00:56):
from Vice, The Nine Lives of Vince McMahon.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
So we get to talk about all his business moves,
the scandals, his on screen persona. We talk about the
villain that we love to hate. Some people love him
more than hate him. So buckle up, it's gonna be
a wild ride.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, and with that, we'll go ahead and get started here. Now,
what were your initial uh like feelings, reactions thoughts when
you first heard of this documentary being made?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Go with that when we oh, come on, like, uh
you hear that where Netflix is doing a documentary on
a ww figure right that already piqued my interest, right,
and then you find out who it is. It's Vince mcmahony, Like,
no way, right, Vince mc mann you think would be

(01:52):
a hard guy to get to sit down and and
and for him to open up and actually talk because
we'll get into it. But we've seen how he is
with interviews in the past. That man does not like
to get interviewed. He gets he gets real close to
the camera, pal and he's just close like this and hell,
hell yell a pal, like he's he's not a real
good guy interview. So I was shocked to find out

(02:13):
that Netflix was going to uh but very well done
for a six part episode.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Very well done.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hopefully we see more of these in the future. But
they they cover a lot in this. I mean, I'm
glad it was in six parts because you can't fit
the life of Vince wick mahon in a two hour session,
like a two hour you know what I mean documentary, can't.
You have to break it up. And like a lot

(02:41):
of it's going through the motions of like the whole history,
and like we're like, yes, we know, we know, we know,
we know. Let's get to the juicy stuff. And I
think what made it like really piqued my interest in
wating to watch it is the timing, Like the timing
when we heard it's coming and all all this stuff
that happened after it, because you're like, I'm thinking, as

(03:05):
as this the events are happening after we heard about
the documentary coming, It's like will this be included in
the documentary? You know what I mean? And also what's
exciting for us as wrestling fans hard marks because that's
what we are, because you know how I know we're

(03:25):
hard marks. I'm wearing a wrestling shirt, We're on a
wrestling podcast. We're hard freaking marks, right, we run a
wrestlmana together to get this cup. Yeah, So what's fun
is like, what can you tell me that I don't
already know? You know, that's the fun part. And so

(03:47):
I had a nice fun ride with that. But like
as recommending it to the casual, absolutely, because the casual
fan is gonna find out so much interesting shit that
they're just gonna find out all at once. Okay, we
have been like slowly dripping this throughout our whole lifetime.
We've been we know about this stuff with Vince, we

(04:09):
know how messed up he is. We've seen terrible things
Evinced before. We've heard terrible things, right, We've known about
this our whole lives. But these people, these poor innocent people,
are hearing this for the first time on Netflix. You know,
I know people who don't know a lot about wrestling,
but they know and they heard of the Vincent Man scandals.

(04:31):
It's that big that people outside of the wrestling community
are hearing about it and they're tuning into Netflix. And
I'm hearing about this at work, people who don't watch wrestling.
So give it a watch. I mean, I mean, Dre,
I mean, that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I gotta say to open it up, man, Yeah, Dre,
what did you What did you think when they first
started talking about coming out with this documentary and how
did you feel?

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Yeah, when they first announced it, obviously I was. I
was curious about it, just because it's a documentary about
Vince not being self.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Produced by WWE. So excuse me. In that sense.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Obviously it's gonna peak your interests because you're thinking, Okay,
if it's not in house, then it won't be you know,
sugarcoated or you know, a big fluff piece. You're wondering, Okay,
are they gonna get real behind the scenes, or we
gonna get some insight from some people who aren't under contract.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
With WWE, who don't have to worry about.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Any kind of backlash from Vince or any repercussions or
anything of that nature. So it piqued my interest. And
then obviously when everything comes out about him, and then
you hear from the makers of the documentary that once
these allegations came out, we had to go back to
the drawing board and rethink our whole thing. We've been

(05:51):
doing this for years and we had one narrative and
we had to completely switch it all up and all
this stuff. So that definitely picked my because I was like, oh,
so if they've gone back to the drawboard, then then
we about to get some stuff. I'm thinking they about
to go deep diving and all this. That and the
third then the documentary actually comes out and not so much.

(06:17):
It seems like pretty much all the new stuff was
reserved for the last episode.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's when they got into new stuff.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
And even then they didn't really go as deep as
I thought they could have if they really wanted to,
you know, go in on it. It seemed like they
still kind of either held back or made a choice
to just kind of skim over the surface of it.

(06:47):
I mean, they did touch on some things a little
bit deep, but they could have done more in my opinion. Now,
maybe they were limited in terms of who they could
get who were willing to talk to them, or who
actually wanted to talk to them, or maybe they just
made a choice that, you know, we're not going to
get into the scandal or you know, the too much

(07:10):
of the hearsay or back and forth for that. Maybe
they decided they were just going to talk about, you know,
what's already out there, and that seems like what they
did as far as I think Wayne nailed it on
the head for you know, people who are casual fans
and just happened to come across this.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I do think it is an excellent watch.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
If you're not really a big wrestling fan, or maybe
a past wrestling fan who dropped off with the product
some time ago, then yeah, I think this is still
a worthwhile watch. It pretty much is basically a almost
it's them near like a story of the WWE.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
From the perspective of Vince McMahon.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
So that's I was excellent for a casual I think
for some of us who are, as he said, are
hard marks or you know, part of the IWC, are
the ones who are you know, really in this and
like that, I think most people might have found it
a bit underwhelming because there wasn't a whole lot in
this that you did not already know beforehand. You know,

(08:12):
you're watching episode one and you're here they're talking about
the beginning days and the territory invents and when it's like, yeah,
we know, and an episode two and all that stuff,
Yeah we know. Then episode three was what the new
generation or what have you? You know, so like episode

(08:32):
four attitude, we know, we were there, we were watching.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
So a lot of it, HM.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Didn't really bring much to the table if you're a
lifetime or a lifelong wrestling fan. But for anybody who's
not that or casual, then yes, it's a good watch.
And it is also a very well produced documentary as well,
So I give it that.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Hey and Maria, since you are you're not very casual anymore,
but you are like not into the nuance or into
like greeting sheets as smart marks like us like to
refer to them, or going on internet sites and finding
news or rumors or things like that. What was your

(09:20):
reaction when you saw it?

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, there were a lot of things that First of all,
when I heard about this documentary coming out, I was
excited to see it, and any think I asked you,
I'm like, here, are we gonna watch us? And then
I asked if you have people at work that are
also wrestling fans, like, hey, did you hear about this documentary?
Are you gonna watch it? Because I thought that they
were going to talk about newer things that have been

(09:44):
out over twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, all
of us, you know, curious to hear see watch Confirm.
And over this nine part series, we see that Vince
has nine lives, just like okay, but because we see
him rebuilt himself controversy after controversy after controversy. I like

(10:08):
the introduction Me and Myself nor It's Wrestling because it
lays out those different territories and it shows you the
personality of a young Vince, how he took over the business,
how he spoke with his father, and how he wanted
to create this wrestling universe that was not only just
a territory, national, but also you know, global. What we

(10:31):
see now like you guys talked about before. Did it
cover a lot of things that we've already seen before
or that I've watched in a WrestleMania Yes, there were
a couple of moments where I'm like, why are we
seeing this? Or like the bread Heart scandal, that situation
that we covered in a podcast before, I'm like, why

(10:52):
are they making this relevant? And this documentary which was
kind of interesting to me, but there were a couple
of things that were unknowns to me. I guess some
of the storylines he talks about we're a little bit surprising,
and we can talk about that when we go into
like what shocked us about this documentary? So what I

(11:12):
recommended for people to watch, I definitely would say you
should watch this documentary if you're new to wrestling or
if you're well burst in wrestling, because you get to
revisit a lot of moments and it puts it into
kind of like a nice package where you're like, all
these different situations that happened either one he wasn't held

(11:33):
liable or responsible for some of these situations, and you
kind of get to see the inside persona that he has.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
So Yeah, And as for me, when I first heard
of it. Well. First of all, I was trying to
see what they could do. Bill Simmons has done a
great job, especially when he oversaw the Andre the Giant
documentary that's out on HBO or Max. That was a

(12:01):
very good documentary that if you haven't seen it and
you are looking to get more into wrestling documentaries, I
highly recommend that you guys go out and see the
Under the Giant documentary. But there was also a documentary
that Vice made that Maria has mentioned, which is The
Nine Lives of Vince McMahon, and that is about an
hour and a half documentary compared to the six episodes. Now,

(12:26):
if you want like a crash course about who the
person Vince McMahon is, then you could. I would recommend
seeing The Nine Lives of Vince McMahon if you have
access to Vice or know where to find it somewhere
out on the internet. But if you are looking to

(12:46):
see a little bit more like like Wayne and Dre
have mentioned, this is a very well produced documentary. There's,
you know, not only a lot of bring footage, you know,
like live footage and behind the scenes footage and interviews
with anyone that's a wrestling fan would know. We got

(13:08):
hul Cogan, We have Pruce Richard with people may know
him when he was brother Love without Tony Atlas that
was we'll get into that a little bit more. But
you know, we had Paul Hayman also talking about him.
We had his son in law, Paul Triple h Levac

(13:29):
talking about him. We got a couple of there. I
don't think they were actually filmed there. There might have
been Can interviews, but they pulled up, Oh, we just Stephanie.
It looks like there were more Can interviews. The Shane
was like, looked like they were actually filmed around that
same studio that they filmed and everyone else. But they
got John Cena, We've got Tris Stratus, we got the Undertaker,

(13:50):
we got Who's who?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Thank you of people who would know Vince and have
I've dealt with Vince with their career. So if you
want to see something a little bit more in depth,
because you are intrigued to know what type of person
Vince is and how he grew his business from a
small Northeastern regional territory that was just mainly working out

(14:20):
of Connecticut and Vermont and New York and all those
and taking over the globe pretty much of professional wrestling. Yeah,
so yourself a favor and watch it. And if we're
ready to dive a little bit deeper, I.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Was gonna say it also going to be more relevant
to all the scandals that are happening today in the
music industry and across politics. And this is very relevant
as far as his personality and the things that are
happening in this documentary.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
But you know how you guys are all talking about
how like there is stuff missing because it's still happening, right,
But you know what, like they could totally drop another
episode like this isn't like a two like I said,
two hours once and done documentary drop No, No, these
are like episodes where it's like they went from the
very beginning worked their way all the way up through

(15:16):
the Golden era. The attitude are the ruthless aggression said
some PG the modern day, Like it's all there like
that you could tell exactly where they pumped the brakes,
like Ray after WrestleMania basically right like that, that's kind
of where they pumped the brakes at. And it's like,
well that's what I think.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's where they had to probably pivot because that's when
everything started to come out, because I think they they
mentioned in the documentary themselves that they were they were
still going as on their you know, original course, and
then once he retired and allegations came out, that's when
they pivoted. And then they said that Vince canceled the

(15:58):
remaining interviews that he had it so they were still on,
you know, on the one course, and then everything hit
the fan. Evince was like, I'm out. Then they had
to like, Okay, we need to adjust and this that
and the.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Third we gotta edit, we gotta we got this much,
we have this mutch filmed. Now we have to write
the narrative from whatever we have left.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, And I don't think because.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I think maybe they initially set out to be like
you know, how Wayne was talking about or Drake. I'm
not sure which one of you guys mentioned it, but
that it should have been longer, like ten episodes, and
we probably would have gotten the ten episodes. E Vince
would have continued interviewing a little bit longer.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Maybe that's why I just ended at six.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, And it's just like Vince probably stopped because his lawyer,
his lawyers told him to stop, like stop going out there.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
And what if his lawyer didn't even know about it?
And he's like, you're doing what ask me questions or
on episode sick out? But Dre, like you said, Dre,
you said like you felt like you knew that they
weren't going to give you the whole story, and you
knew Vince wasn't gonna give you the whole story. And

(17:12):
I think I know exactly when I can pinpoint when
that happened. It's like right in the very beginning, when
Vince sits down, he goes, Oh, I'm not gonna tell
you the whole story, Pal, you couldn't handle it like
like you know, like right off the bat, he gives
you that vibe. It's like, yeah, I knew you were
not gonna tell us everything because there is a lot
of stuff that we know that they didn't bring up,

(17:35):
you know.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, And a guy like that, in that kind of
position of power, is very much going to want to
control his own narrative, especially like Vince, who's you know,
his whole career has been telling narratives, telling stories, controlling narratives.
Of course, what if he's going to tell one about himself.
He's very that he's directly involved in. He's very much

(17:57):
going to control his own narrative. But despite that, he
still managed to tell on himself a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, through a series some statements he made.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
It was like, oh, oh said, okay, now you know
how you really feel.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, right, let's get into like little key tedbits of
what stood out to Maria. You go first, since you're
the newer mart get out to me, Yeah, what stood
out to you that I was like, oh my god,
I can't believe he said that, or I can't believe
Vince diod that, or things.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
That were hard for me to hear out loud because
we see this through his actions and how he likes
to and I don't know if the words like embarrassed
people or he likes to me to mean and get
back at people. So just seeing that, like a series

(18:52):
of wrestlers having to go through those experiences was hard
for me because we've seen it over the years, or
I've watched it over watching wrestling, but just having to
deal like that whole situation with even Owen and Bret
Hart and accepting responsibility or how they came out to

(19:13):
talk about who else. I think the Undertaker was talking
about taking chair hits to the head and how like, yes,
that's the old school way of doing things, but also
if you're getting concussed. You know, that was hard for
me to hear as well. That story where his daughter
was like, I'm not going to tell you about the

(19:34):
storyline that he was proposing, and then Vince talks about
it where he's like the storyline was him and pregnating her.
That was like really ridiculous and crazy to me. So yeah,
it's just like.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
The way he tries cover up a lot of his stuff,
like you know what i mean. Like when they said that,
he's like, oh yeah. Then somebody said like maybe like, dude,
I'm gonna stop you right there, I'm gonna pick up
the roker and like pause, I'm like, no, dude, I'm
gonna stop you right there. You said, don't say somebody
said no, no, no, you're crazy, old man. That a lot

(20:11):
of that. There was a lot of somebody said this,
and somebody maybe no, no, dude, you your wrinkle the
old fart. It was you. It's always been you. Don't
try to That's that's the kind of ship he was
trying to, you know, sugarcoat, and so when I was
just like fuck you man, Yeah wait, you.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Got anything else that stood up for you? Besides, it's a.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Bunch like I got it. Go ahead, I gotta notes, man,
Like I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna jump all
around like like okay, like right away they tried to
mat try to make me feel bad. There was a
couple of parts where I was like, you guys are
trying to make me feel bad like for him, like
when they they and okay, I don't we don't know

(20:58):
the truth, like maybe it is true, like when they
talked about his childhood, where like maybe he was sexually
abused by his mother and like physically abused by his father,
and like there's incest in the family, like just a
bunch of crazy circus shit right, And it's like is
it true, like or is this like the sympathy card?

(21:20):
And it's like, you know, who are we gonna ask
his mom? Everybody's long gone, Like you know, his mom
was this last oldest relative and I think she recently
passed away and she was old. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, okay, cool,
take that all that to the grave. But like I'm sorry,

(21:40):
like maybe it makes me understand why you're so fucked
in the like because you know, we because we know
a lot of the stuff has come out recently, like yeah,
like like we thought Vince was a bad person, and
then we find out more and more like he's an
even worse person. And then like I think to myself, like, how,
oh has this man, if this is all really true,

(22:04):
if all these stories are true, how the hell has
he gotten away with so much for its so long?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Right? You know?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
I found it. I found it interesting when they were
talking about like in the episode one of the territories,
how like uh, I know, I'm like talking like perhaps
what I have here in the notes, but like the
expansion of the w W, like how they had territories
and it was like very respected at the time and

(22:32):
not poaching other wrestlers and stuff. And when he was
the first one, we like screw that and started put
and it was cool to see like which superstars he
pulled and where he pulled him from, like Junkyard Dog,
Dusty Rhodes, you know, like he Machio Man, like Whole Cogan,
Like yeah, Andre, like just all these wrestlers from all

(22:52):
over and you realize like, oh, there's such big wrestlers
in WW, but you forget like these guys were in
like a w A and all you go their older
promotions and other territories, and then you know, then he
just pulled all these guys and now he has the
w w F at the time. But and uh, what's
funny is then you kind of see it happen again

(23:16):
when he starts doing it with w CW and then
it starts happening to him a little bit where they
start pulling some of his wrestlers or WCW, and it's
kind of like you did the same thing, dude, like
Tasto medicine. I found that stuff pretty interesting. You know.
One thing I never knew was like the fact that

(23:39):
when Hogan verse Andre the Giant, right, I never knew
that Hogan didn't know who's gonna win going out there.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, no, now you know what I mean, Like the
thing I want to talk about, Okay, now I wanted
to get to that too.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
That came out of Hoge his mouth. It was so
hard for me to believe.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
It's kind of like like when you have like that
one old senile grandpa and he just says ship and
You're just like, all right, Grandpa, you know, all right,
all right, you know, everything wants a nickel back in
my day. I'm like sure, it was like there was
only three channels on the TV.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I'm like, okay, you know, it reminds me of when
you're talking about that. But we should take Cogan kind
of like Grandpa Grandpa Simpson. Remember when he keeps telling
these stories. He tells a story about the health fish,
the Healthfish treasure, and no one knows that he's used
to be mister Burns's because a commanding officer, and then

(24:43):
it all ends up being true. So that's how it was.
You got to take Cogan like that. It's like a
bunch of lies, but one of them might be true.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Then yeah, because like we've even covered on our podcast
like crazy things that Hull Cogan has said and it's
like is this true? So like that, I really didn't
believe half the ship he said, but like you know,
then we had guys like Tony Atlas on that Oh man,
he was like a lot of shit. He said he
was because he was honest. He was like it's like,

(25:14):
you know, I don't he doesn't work for he doesn't
have legends. He doesn't have, right, Like, he's just like
he kind of like has like I just do what
I say whatever I want, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
He got paid. He's like, yeah, he I'm going to
come here, sit with my cutoff dress, shirt and tie
and tell you things that you guys want to know.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well, Tony Atlas was probably the best interview they had
out of everybody in this documentary, just for the simple
fact that he was unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
He was uncut, he didn't have he had no fear.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I think if they could.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Have gotten more of the older wrestlers like that in
the document Yeah, I think it would have helped the
documentary more.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
That's the thing dra Is like, is like, we're at
a point now in twenty twenty four. It's like, honestly,
how many people from WrestleMania one or even before that
could you even bring to an interview like that? They're
still live story, right.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Part of the documentary was I'm talking about how many
people were dying in between the ages of like thirty
six through yeah, and I was just like, as they
were going through different people and even when they talked
about Eddie Gurrow's legacy and how they were trying to
like mock his death. Afterwards, I'm like, that is tragic, Like,

(26:33):
please honor people. You don't have to ruin their legacy.
You don't have to bring their name back, you don't
have to include them in the storyline. You don't have
to embarrass them. That was hard for me to hear.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
That you can't honor people and then ship on them
like a year later, you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Like, what is this something like that's terrible. I was
really pissed off at that.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
What do you have to bring up on what's.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Out of this whole documentary docum series. There were really
only two things that really jumped out to me. One
occurreded episode two.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It was when.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
They started getting into like the first of Vince's scandals
that happened in his past with the the one woman
that was hired and then.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
The ref that was brought up and promised half a
million contract to be w w F back.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Then for me, and Vince made this made a statement
that like made me pause the video all paused the
stream when I was watching it, and he said something
about to the effect of it wasn't rape or whatever,
and then even if it was rape statute of limitations up,
and I'm like, hold on, bro, hold up. You can't

(28:01):
just throw that last part out there, even if it
was like.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
How many times Simpson like like.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
If you did like what.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Like he was telling on himself in certain ways that
right there, you don't say something like that if you
ain't did ship, you don't put out a even if
it was if you are innocent, that's some ship that
somebody says that they did that ship and they just
trying to throw that other thing out there, like so

(28:36):
what if I did it? Saturate limitations like motherfucker?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Like mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Anything after Outside of that, the only other thing that
really jumped out to me was when Paul Hayman when
this is when they were talking about Vince and Shane
and their dynamic and Paul Hayman tells the story of
the big falling out that they had, Vince and Shane
had and Vince basically tells Shane, you know, they're having

(29:06):
a big disagreement on how to go with something, and
they're both really you know, firm in their position, and
Hayman tells the story that Vince basically tells Shane hands
them like a knife or something like that.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yes, you're only getting that storyline.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Over unless you're ready to take that knife and plant
it right here in my chest and kill me.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That ain't happen. I was like, fuck, Dre, is that
not familiar?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Because what did he tell his dad when his dad
was like towards the end of his life, He's like,
if you don't agree to this, that he was gonna
basically do it anyway.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, when he was saying over the territories, and it's
that like he had made friends with everybody that was
in the territories, Stu Hart, Verne Gagne, Jim Krockett, all
of those people, you know, And Vince is going out
there taking out all the territories and and he's like
everyone's going to like Vince Senior to tell them, hey,

(30:05):
he can't be doing this. And then he Vince Senior
goes to go to Vincent and Vince is like, hey,
either you work for me now, so either you help
me or you get the fuck out of the way.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yeah, I mean and at that point, yeah, the one
ship that Senior could do because Vince had the company
then then he had made the payments.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
It was his Also, he couldn't pass the company on
to his daughter, his son or triple h. There there
was no passing it on. He had to sell it.
That was also incredible to me.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, it's like, uh, I mean, we'll get to me
if Drede doesn't have anything else to bring up on
what shocked them.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
No, those are the only two points that really jumped
out to me. But yeah, him having to sell of
the company all right.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So, like my wife mentioned, that was something that shocked me.
Was him not wanting to hand the reins over to anybody.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I know Vince Senior wanted Vince to own or to
like earn it because he didn't even want to sell
him the company and he was going to sell it
to Gorilla Monsoon and he's like, well, you know, fine,
I'll sell it to you, but you got to make
these payments on time, and they have to be on
time or else we're going to take it back. You're
not going to get your money back, so you know,

(31:27):
and he made those payments, but like to have that
thing where he had that kind of like abandonment issue
with his dad and he couldn't reconcile that with either
Shane or Stephanie. Like in a very like healthy, mature
type of way, like Shane wanted even when Shane wanted

(31:48):
to do his own thing, whether he wanted when he
wanted to buy the UFC, and Vince is like, no, no, no,
you can't do that. No, we're not going to get
into that now.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, Like I can't believe that though, like like Shane
tried talking to buying the UFC, like could you imagine,
like is that what I went down? But thinking that,
like that wasn't a like business.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
That was gonna bring in money for him, like you
saw it as a competition. He's like, they do something similar,
only they're more. They put themselves more on the line.
They have themselves, so I can't build up characters like
I do building up talent here.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, he didn't see the value in it.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
He just thought it was just basically very fighting and
as opposed to what he does and telling stories and
having characters. Yeah, he didn't see this thing as valuable,
which I mean they didn't really say, like when Shane
was approaching Vince about this, like when in UFC's history,

(32:50):
like I think.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, I'm it, but go ahead and keep finishing.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, Trey, let's let's think about this this man turns
down the idea of buying a company that does something
very similar to what he does. But this man green
lit the XFL. He also green lit something called the
w b F. I did not know what the hell

(33:17):
the WBF was. It is a bunch of bodybuilders.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
He was trying to create.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
That man thought that the UFC.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
But at the time I could understand why that was
because it was the early nineties and bodybuilding was very
much all the rage then. And plus around that time
he had recently signed Lex Luger to w to the
w w F, and he was planning on making Lex
Luger the face of the World body Building Federation.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Makes sense.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Motorcycle accident wound up in the hospital and that, you know,
impacted that. But that was he had a plan then,
and at the time it would have made sense. Now
that XFL thing never made any sense. Like, I don't
know why with the NFL, like that was just dumb.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
But that's because he was that. They didn't want to
they didn't want to send him a franchise.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So he's like, right, I think he did want to
be right.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
But granted, yes, these are all failures, right, we're looking
at all these failures, but look at the achievements though,
like like this man made this a worldwide thing, Like
this is thing that like people are watching all over
the freaking world, Like people were traveling from countries to
go to WrestleMania. Like we were sitting at wrestlemingting with

(34:38):
people in front of us, behind us with different accents
from all of the other places, you know what I mean. Like, uh,
it it had an app like we I never thought
I'd see the day that w W would ever have
an app.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
Every you know, there's no denying his like he's a
business like professional wrestling with qui rest.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
He has succeeded way beyond anyone's imagination. Exactly everything else
he's failed and has been a big failure, like anything
the restaurant, bodybuilding Federation, the access Bell. Uh that's a
streaming app.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, he's a guy who was meant to the hotel.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
I forgot that made it.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I got a butt for you, though, I got a
butt for you because there's a lot of failures.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Oh, his late night talk show.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
The talk show, but also even his marriage with Linda
was painful, Like we have seen those situations where he
calls Linda, Uh, on TV or you know, on like
in front of everybody. Yes, it's part of the storyline,
but it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Yes, kiss Stratus in front of you.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
That whole storyline was kissed.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
A lot of women on TV. Basically he kissed a
lot of women, you know, Like.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I don't know her story, but I'm just all of.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
This the man, Like you guys just laid out all
these failures. But the man is still a billionaire, right,
not a millionaire. These failures you could just point out, like,
you know, you could go to this guy's high school
reunion and he'd be like, oh, well you feel that, this, this,

(36:22):
and this. Yeah, but I'm a only fucking billionaire here though, right, But.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's hard to fall out, right, I know, you can
separate the artists, you know, from the artistry, just like
we've seen with musicians. I guess this person has this personality,
but look at the music that they've created or the
legacy that they've created, so there's no argument there. But
at the end of the day, he's still who he
is and his personality is monstrous.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
And getting back to my fact checking that I don't
have an actual firm year. It just two thousands of
when they were trying to buy UFC.

Speaker 5 (37:05):
So if we're thinking early two thousands, UFC, I would
say is probably established, but not of the magnitude that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
That has become since then.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I think relative early two thousands, they were doing pay
per views at that point, Yeah, they were. They were
pretty well established because I think Lesler joined around what
two thousand and five, two thousand and six, yeah, or
something like that. So that's getting around UFC one hundred.
That's right around the time where the UFC really started

(37:41):
to blow up overtaking to become more popular than boxing
and such.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, he could have very much bought it then, been Yeah,
imagine what that could be.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I mean there would be.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
No no now UFC purchasing them.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, he hasn't purchased either one of them. They've merged.
Is the company that Endeavor owned the u f C. Yeah,
then acquired merged both of them into t k O Holdings, Right,
I mean this is all made.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
It an alternate universe. You know, if if he would
have bought it then kind of like if back like
when if Blockbuster would have bought Netflix, you know, like
what if he would have been an even bigger he
could have been a bigger titan than he is now,
could he working? Yeah, that's absolutely like you're right though,

(38:42):
man Like me, I did not watch UFC. I was
not interested until Brock Listerer went over, and then I
only care then block Listeners fights, and then there is
a little bit few more people I started getting into
and and then we would get guys from UFC or
M m A coming over to ww So then I
would go back and look at some of their older matches,

(39:05):
you know. Yeah, and then we had unfortunately like Punk.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah, the biggest UFC name we probably had back then
was Ken Shamrock. He was like the UFC guys. Yeah,
and then he made the jump and to w W
even become became a wrestler. I mean, other guys like
I think Dan to b Severn joined w W E

(39:32):
from UFC, Like those were probably the main two. This
is before you know your Chuck Liddell's and Frank Meres
and all those other guys.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
But yeah, and one one more thing I want to
add that. Yeah, I guess you could say, but it
comes from I. You know, I did a little bit
more kind of deep diving because I had a little
bit more time on my hands. Uh, But I listened
to the thing called Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast

(40:04):
and they did a six part series on Vince. There
are all one hour episodes. The first hour of part one,
if you guys go out and find it. It's not
about Vince, but they give you like the measuring, like
the standard. It's about Fritz von Eric, So give you
like this is what we say is a bastard. Here's

(40:24):
our example, Fritz von Eric. And the other five episodes
are about Vince. But the one that stood out to
me is, you know how they mentioned in this documentary
has failed even Knievel promotion. So that ends up a
little bit more detail that they give us in that
podcast Behind the Bastards is he is partnered up with

(40:47):
a very famous boxing promoter called Bob Aarram who owns
top ranked promotions, and Bob Arom takes him in as
a favorite to Vince Senior. He's not paid, but he
wanted Vin Junior. Vince Senior wanted Vince Junior to like
Shadow Barbariam, learn from Barbarum and things like that so

(41:08):
it could become a better promoter. So he approaches Evil
Knievel for it. You know, to get the contract for
that jump and things like that. And what ends up
happening in that meeting that Vince sets up is Vince
doesn't go. He just leaves Barbaram to go handle everything. Right.

(41:33):
So it turns out that Evil Canego shows up for
the meeting and he's like, I'm not dealing with this
jew explative jew explative jew explotive wow, and he leaves.
So Evil Knea leaves Vince. Barbaron goes back to Vince
and he's like, hey, you need to smooth things over

(41:53):
if you want this to happen. Vince smooths things over
and he convinces Evil Canel to come back and do
the deal, and they go on a touring like a
touring like to promote it and things like that, and
Vince doesn't go. He so bob aarim because he has
all this money pushed into this Evil Knievel jump. He

(42:18):
has to go city to city with Evil Knievel to
promote this jump. Sounds interesting, that was It's not in
this documentary. But if you guys want to find that,
go a little bit more deep dive. If like this
this Netflix documentary is interesting to you and you want

(42:41):
to know a little bit more detail about Vince or
anything like that. I recommend listening to that podcast Behind
the Bastards and you can start from part two. And
if you just want to listen about Vince, if you
never heard about Friends Van Eric and the van Erks,
you listen apart one, or you could watch our show

(43:02):
where we did the review of the iron clumbing when
we went a little bit of detailed that yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
And then since we're gonna get into a little bit
of a one.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
The last thing that was shocking was also that his
hair kept on getting darker.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
Company not more shocking than that must she came out.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Like a picture like the idea of when he just
wanted to just look in there, like I didn't do
a little mustache and a little bit shoe polish, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
In the mirror, just like progressively get away and then
started looking like pinkish and blueish. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I was like, I don't know what's going on with
this face. I don't want to talk about anybody's face,
but I was like, he just started getting.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Weirder, weird, getting old.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Getting old, but also doing work too, And I was like, going.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
On, my hair loves, they don't stop growing.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Final thoughts, guys, this Netflix documentary anything else that shot us?
And then wrap it up with do we recommend why
we recommend the schedule fans a little bit more of
an explanation and things like that.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Like, yeah, I'll tell you why he should. I mean,
like the casual fans should definitely watch this like you're
missing Like, come on, you're missing out if this is
like this is our Tiger King. Okay, this is our
this is our Netflix event, this is our Tiger King.
You need to watch it because then if not, it's
gonna get buried in your Netflix and then you're gonna

(44:42):
miss out on the event. No, you need It's only
six episodes, and the thing is it'll it'll catch you
all the way up. It'll catch you practically all the
way up because we can sit here and we can
talk about some things that they didn't talk about. They
didn't talk about. They didn't mention John Laurnis not once.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
No, they can't because it's under investigation.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Right mentioned TKO sports Ko at all?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, I don't know why they didn't, but.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, exactly, they not once. Did we hear about Vince
shitting on anybody?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I think that's a weird. Yeah, there's so much you're
not allowed to talk and make speculations on current exactly
thinks they're waiting trials, but yeah we might exactly.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, I mean we'd still be bring row Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of stuff that It's like I was
surprised they brought it up because like they literally covered everything,
Like they were like, we're gonna talk about the little
the ring Boys scandal, which you know, I totally forgot
about that. That was like, you know, the thing back

(45:51):
in the eighties ring Boys being diddled, you know, and
Pat Patterson supposedly gone around touch and packers, you know,
you know what I mean, Like, what the hell? I
was like that that I kind of was like, what
the fuck? Like yeah, yeah, And you like the thing
is is like you try to picture it because you know,

(46:12):
you're no, you know these characters, right, You've been with
these people for hours every week, right, this is a
person's face, voice, personality that you know. And I'm trying
to go picture Pat Patterson going around with other wrestlers.
I'm like, what the why, what the hell? I Like,
it blows my mind, Like some of the things in

(46:34):
the industry that they would do that, you know what
I mean. So, yeah, they were totally and like the
and the thing is is like you would get like
in the documentary, like like a happy moment they would
talk about, like, oh, like we we throw this WrestleMania
and we broke these records of ninety three thousand people,

(46:54):
and then like right after like this great thing. It's
like and then Vince was accused of raping this other woman.
Like it was like a roller coaster, it was like,
and it was always brought down like hard it was.
It was a hard drop. You know it because I
even have it in my notes. It's just like happy moment,
happy moment, rape, happy moment, happy moment, drug incident, or

(47:19):
like you know the plane rude from Hell, which they
didn't talk about, which I was surprised because they talked
about everything else, you know. Then they talk about Montreal
scucer drop again, like.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Talking about and both of them.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Maybe the only thing from that that I got is like,
oh I didn't know that. I got a little bit
more on the inside of Brett punching Vince in the face,
which I thought was kind of cool to know about.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, then I got the Hunter was involved. I didn't
know that one.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
You about Hunter being yeah about that in the I'm
pretty sure one of the Dark Side of the Ring
episodes I think they did.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I think they did an episode on the Montreal's.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Crew job, And honestly, if you really want more details
on that specific incident that I would definitely recommend that
Dark Side of the episode a Dark Side of the
Ring episode, because there are things in that that aren't
brought up in this one, like even some things that
Taker says himself that you know, he was mad and

(48:31):
he was upset about it and this and the third
but he in the Dark Side episode, I believe he
says that he told Vince. Taker says this, that he
told Vince, you have to go make this right, like
undertaking made Vince go, yeah, go and see Vince and
do that stuff. Yeah, at least that's how Takers himself

(48:53):
tells it then, because he was so pissed off and
so fierce about it, and he was, you know, one
of the guys closest to Vince, who could you know,
do something like that or say something like that, Whereas
in this documentary they make it seem like Vince just
owned up to it, like I have to do this.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I have to.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
I owed him this after what I did, and I'm like,
that's not the story I remember. Hemer I remember undertakers
telling you get your ass up and you go make
this right. Even that, you know, two different tellings of
the same incidnery, Yeah yeah, with different different uh you know,

(49:30):
recounts of that.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah. Yeah, And go ahead, I say.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
You can go down the rabbit hole with a lot
of these because yeah, we're talking about the Montreal screwsdrop again, right,
We're talking about own Heart's death again, We're talking about
Chrispin WA's death again. Yes, we've heard all of these
stories for us beaten with like a dead horse. But
like Dre said that, if you want to learn more

(49:56):
about the Montreal Screwdrop, there's another documentary, So you can
go further down on the rabbit hole for these casual fans,
you know, because there are people who are like, oh,
I want to I don't want to touch back on that,
you know, I want to look into that, And then
they look into it and like there are other documentaries
and there are like Dark Side of the Ring, there's
behind them, there's other stuff. So yeah, I understood why

(50:21):
it was brought up. But I guess for us it
was an eye roll because it's like, Okay, we already
know this, I don't want to relive it. And especially
like the Owen Hard stuff is like, man, that's rough.
We see that again, and you know, seeing like the wrestlers,
how they would have to perform the rest of that show. Yeah,

(50:44):
like Owen Hart's blood still in the ring.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
That was hard to hear.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
It was like, wow, are parent Supposedly I don't know
if it's sure to have heard that that's been debunked,
because they the way they presented it in the documentary
definitely made it seem like that splat or blood on the.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Ring was from Owen. Hopefully that's been debunked.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
It was actually from a segment that happened earlier in
the uh in the pay per view, like a blood
bad segment or something.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, that thing.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Yeah, and that's blood it's in the ring. It's remnants
from that segment, not Owen's blood. Although the documentary, the
way they presented, would make you think that splatter is
like always blood from I guess where.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
He impacted, But apparently that's not true. That's been debunked.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
Yeah, So it's like what else did they you know
exactly exactly like what else? Like we only know so much,
you know, because like like I said, even from the
very beginning, Vince, not like I'm not going to tell
you everything. It's like, yeah, we know because like but
we want to know because that's why we're here, Like

(51:51):
you're not tell us everything. They get the fuck out
of the old the chair, old man, like no, like
if you're not gonna tell us things, and we're because listen,
you tell us what you are gonna tell us. But
either way we're gonna find out, like because your asses
and is in the hot seat, like your ass is
in trouble right now. Still this isn't like this man

(52:13):
is not dead yet, like continues the story continues, like
I want to see season two, like we're already into
like season two already, like get like Netflix will be
smart to somehow. I'm sure there's people. I fucking bet

(52:34):
Tony Atlas would come back, Like I'm sure there's people
who would be like, y'all come back. I got some
more stuff, like there's people who aren't tied to the company.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Like also I was like, oh, Vice has a brother.
I was like, let me look that.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Up, Yeah, exactly, but you want to talk about that,
you want to talk about you want to talk about
ad W even you want there's other ship you can
talk about, Like you can get deeper down the rabbit hole,
talk about stuff that's happening right now that we're covering.
Like if you want to wait until next year and
cover exactly what happened from WrestleMania forty to the next WrestleMania,

(53:08):
I'm willing to wait a whole another year and you're
gonna give me like three four more episodes.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Yeah, but I think one all that depends on what
happens with the fallout and what happens with ultimately these
legal procedures, because one, there's a federal investigation that's gonna
be who knows.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
How a long time, right, and then whenever.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
That gets done, then you still have the Janelle Grant
lawsuit because that's currently on hold because of the federal investigation.
So I don't as much as it might be interesting
to have a season two, I think that one that's
not likely to happen because who knows if the producers
of this documentary have the appetite to revisit this or

(53:51):
go further and there's also you know, a timetable on
this stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
You know.

Speaker 5 (53:59):
There is, but there's going to be an appetite for it, obviously,
but it's gonna be a long time before that ever happens.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I can see this probably not being actually concluded and
for like another ten years.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
But like guys, right now, as we speak, there is
another trial going on. There's the p Diddy trial going on,
and right now Netflix is already in the process fifty
is in the process of making his own documentary. It's
not even over and we're already got the cameras rolling

(54:34):
on that. So I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
Yeah, but stuff like that, I imagine it's very going to
be It's gonna be very scandal written. It's gonna be
like a lot of hearsay, a whole lot of them
I heard, And you have to wonder how much interest
that really is and how much quality we know, what
kind of quality are you really going to give from

(54:56):
something that people are trying to rush together just to
capitalise on the moment, like stuff like that all the time,
and usually it's very low brow, low production quality. It's like, ooh,
this is the hot topic. Throw something out there and
get people to watch like, I don't want that. If
this docuseries is going to continue, I don't want them
to just be like, run up to anybody you know

(55:19):
that's willing with loose lips, who's willing to tell a story.
I want something well researched, well documented, well produced, of quality,
and I was not likely to get that go ahead.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
During this documentary. They threw out and they reminded me
that Linda McMahon was also over a small business for
the White House.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, she worked in the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Yeah, So I'm just like all the things, like you said,
he's a multi Like, he's a multi multi billionaire, and
his wife was working for the White House, like.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
And his wife also looked like Hillary Clinton very much.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
But this is only the stuff that we know and
that we're hearing about. Curious, like, what else don't we know?
What else haven't we about because we've heard so much
during this documentary.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Oh, there's a lot that we don't know, and we
probably won't hear the half of it as long as
Vince is alive, because there are some people who are
going to feel a level of loyalty to him, some
people who probably know stuff who won't say anything because
you know they have w W E Legends deals or
what have you, Like we'll.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Ever get the full story, but we're.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Definitely not going to get a fraction of it while
he's alive. And while a lot of these people have contracts,
I wouldn't be surprised if there are people at w
W signing folks to deals just to shut them up. Right,
here's a Legends deal. Don't talk to nobody about Vince,
just just not just because that they're trying to protect Vince.

(56:51):
I don't think and Nevor has any interest in, you know,
protecting him or anything of that nature.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
They just don't want the negative publicity.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
They just don't want that low drip of story after
story after story from these people just talking.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And dre would you recommend, like, why would you recommend
that people go out and see this, whether they're casual
or whether they're a hardcore.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
I think if you're a hard one, I think if
you're a hardcore fan, you've probably already watched it. I
think all of us were chomping at the bit to
see this the moment it drops. I'll pretty much any
hardcore fan has probably already watched it.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
And if they haven't watched it, they've.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Probably heard about it enough to make a decision on
whether they're gonna bother watching it or not. But speaking
to the casual fan, I think if you're anybody who
used to watch wrestling or had a passing interest in
wrestling at any point in your life, I think this
is a worthwhile watch, if for nothing else, just to
see the story of the WWE over the years, to

(57:55):
see its growth from the small territory in the North
Fees to the national phenomenon and then the global phenomenon
that it has become since then. I think that's a
worthwhile story of watching. Even if you're getting it very
much from the perspective of Vince McMahon, which adds to
the interest of it. You're seeing the growth of this

(58:17):
company from the perspective of the man who was the
most influential in that growth in development, from the most
central figure in it. That alone makes it I think
a worthwhile watch. If you're watching if your interest is
because ooh, these allegations came out, I want to see
some scandal, then no, you're going to find yourself disappointed

(58:38):
because that's not really what this.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Is, all right, And Maria well, I'm mother a fan
of his work, or you can't stand him, I would
say that I recommend that you watched us. Like Drew said,
you get to watch the beginning or the inception of
this WWE universe. Also, he's this This business is global,

(59:06):
it's huge, It's definitely a moneymaker. There's so many personalities
that I guess, like I guess they can call myself
a mark that I'm still fans of that I still
want to watch it. I still want to see Russell.
I would say definitely watch this documentary and if you
don't have time, you can watch the Vice version, which
is just about an hour.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, as for me, I do recommend it. If, like
Dre has said, if you're a hardcore fan and you're
still not like should I watch this? Do I need
to watch this? Blah blah blah, Yeah, you need to
watch it just because you know it will give you
something to talk with someone else and maybe they have
a story about Vince that you may not have heard,

(59:47):
or you may have one, or maybe you know you
guys learned something together. But as for a casual fan, yeah,
definitely recommend that you guys watch it. If not for
the six hours that we have, just like my wife mentioned,
you have the one hour and a half version that
Vice may called The Nine Lives of Vince McMahon. It
also gives you the Plane Right from Hell that Wayne

(01:00:09):
had mentioned where Rick Flair and other WWE talent are
flying overseas and make sexual unwanted advances towards Stewardess's so
they get a little bit more of a recount. And
like Drey had mentioned, and Vice has done a stand
up job and actually making standalone documentaries of everything that

(01:00:32):
was covered in the Netflix documentary, whether it's the the
Montreal Screw Job, the Steroid Trials, the Plane Rid from Hell,
the Monday Night Wars, the Chris Benoi that's a two parter,
and The Life and Death of Owen Heart that's also

(01:00:54):
a two parter. So if you are interesting into diving
into the rabbit hole of wrestling's past and finding out
secrets that maybe Internet savvy marks like us have been
able to hear or see on message boards or you know,

(01:01:15):
reading a magazine or talk with somebody growing up, you know,
now you'll be in the know and you'll you know,
have a little bit more of a background on even
though we all know this is fake. This is the storyline,
you know, the storylines and things like that. Yeah, it's scripted,

(01:01:39):
not fake, thank you. It may be scripted, but it
still is something that we enjoy watching. And it's not
because of the actions of Vince McMahon outside of the ring,
but it's because of his actions inside of the ring.
The man was able to overcome all of these scandals

(01:02:00):
and all of these adventures out there that would have
bankrupted anyone else and still managed to find a way
to make sports entertainment the juggernaut it is today. With that, guys,
you guys have anything to plug, you know, we're gonna

(01:02:22):
PCW will be coming back again soon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
We've been taking a break, a season break, doing some
personal stuff in my life, so taking some time off,
but it's needed, Like you know, even WW superstars need
to take a little time off. Maybe it's not from
an injury, maybe it's just creative doesn't have anything because

(01:02:46):
you know, these guys are on the road twenty four
to seven. Like you know, there is no season, you know,
even though how many times do we always see SmackDown
and Roll start with season in premiere, there's no off season.
PCW needed an off season, so we're taking some time
recharging our batteries. We're gonna come back. Give us a

(01:03:06):
little bit of time, but that's all I gotta plug
for right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Dre anything from you, sir, nothing necessarily from me, I say.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
In the meantime until PCW comes back in our two
point zero Rainbow era or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You can always find us on Discord.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, and what's that? What's the year handles? Social handles?
You got the guys at a Facebook page?

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Podcast Championship Wrestling on Facebook? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
You can find us everywhere everywhere, YouTube, anywhere you can
get podcasts. We have social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter,
and you can find me. I only have Twitter at
Semi dry Chicken.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
So awesome. And as for us, we will be bringing
you guys one more episode. It'll be hopefully, if not
in two weeks, be a little bit longer because we
do have a new wrestler joining our stable and that's

(01:04:09):
the whole reason why we weren't able to get another
episode last month. But stay tuned to our socials Revisiting
Mania on Instagram, on Twitter x, our Facebook group of
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you guys have any suggestions on matches that Maria should watch,

(01:04:31):
you can email those two at Revisiting Mania at gmail
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