March 18, 2025 • 53 mins
Queen of the Ring" Movie Review: Is it a MUST WATCH for Wrestling Fans?
In this Queen of the Ring movie review, Carlos and Maria are joined by their guest Raymond. They will break down everything wrestling fans (and newbies!) need to know.
Join them as they discuss the movie’s portrayal of wrestling, the performances of the cast, and how it stacks up to other wrestling films. With two long-time wrestling fans and one newer fan, this review gives you different perspectives on whether Queen of the Ring is worth the watch.
From in-ring action to emotional storytelling, we’ve got you covered!
– Intro & Overview
– Wrestling Accuracy: A Hardcore Fan's Take
– The Acting: Wrestlers vs. Hollywood Stars
– Emotional Impact & Storytelling
– Is Queen of the Ring Worth Watching?
– Final Thoughts & Rating
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In this Queen of the Ring movie review, Carlos and Maria are joined by their guest Raymond. They will break down everything wrestling fans (and newbies!) need to know.
Join them as they discuss the movie’s portrayal of wrestling, the performances of the cast, and how it stacks up to other wrestling films. With two long-time wrestling fans and one newer fan, this review gives you different perspectives on whether Queen of the Ring is worth the watch.
From in-ring action to emotional storytelling, we’ve got you covered!
– Intro & Overview
– Wrestling Accuracy: A Hardcore Fan's Take
– The Acting: Wrestlers vs. Hollywood Stars
– Emotional Impact & Storytelling
– Is Queen of the Ring Worth Watching?
– Final Thoughts & Rating
If you enjoyed this movie review and other pop culture media reviews; Check out our guest's content on youtube at @rpadvideo
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to revisiting the Mania WrestleMania Rewatch podcast. I
am Carlos.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Maria.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And today we are taking a trip for a side
quest to do a movie review because it is Women's
History Month and I want to get out there and
watch things that interest me as well and then interest
my wife because guys, if you haven't noticed, she's a woman.
(00:33):
So we went out and saw The Queen of the
Ring and we'll get our thoughts and reviews. And joining
us is a longtime friend of the podcast, Raymond.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
No, I'm not sure which is going for is like.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
As long as some people don't come looking for us
because a lot of the signs so queen in the Ring.
What do you have Queen in the Ring?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, this movie just came out recently. We had the
opportunity to see it over this past weekend, and again,
thank you for joining us. As you know, i'm Maria,
your local resident or I don't know about local, but
your market training. I really enjoyed watching this movie and
I can't wait to get into it. We're diving, like
(01:25):
Carlo said, into a film that really had me hyped.
I was very excited, very surprised, at the main actress,
the lead in this movie. This is a biographical sports
drama that throws a spotlight and lots of respect on
a wrestling pioneer, Mildred Burke. So this one's for every
(01:50):
woman who's ever had to fight twice as hard to
be seen, heard and respected. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
All right, Well, Raymond, you have a little bit more
time as far as like with wrestling, as we covered
when we did our WrestleMania one show, very very long
time ago, almost two years. Yeah, but do you have
any thing that we might have missed from this movie
about or any background that you're familiar with as far
(02:21):
as with Mildred?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Not really, because, like you, my experience with the older
generation of women wrestlers was with Mullah and May Young,
So that's as far as back as I go. So
I didn't really know much about these ladies until the
documentary Lipstick and Dynamite, which I'm not sure when that
came out, but that's when I learned more about some
(02:44):
of the women in this film. A few of them
are covered in that documentary. But I learned about this
movie last year because I follow Emily Bett Records on Instagram.
What yeah, And I was a fan of hers from
the Arrow series and the CW. Carless and I used
to talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I started watching the ear I actually introduced Carlos to that.
I thought the first few seasons were excellent. Oh yeah,
and so we'll start getting like a little rom comy
for me.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I was not a fan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And that's where I started to Like you mentioned Raymond.
We heard about this movie, probably already filming or being
written about a year ago, and she started posting these
her pictures of her transformation online and I was like, really,
they got Felicity. She's gonna play this. She's gonna play
Mildred Burke, this lady who was primarily tech support for
(03:46):
Oliver Queen and I love interest towards the end.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He has these massive triceps and photo very strong.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But so that was my that was my thing. Like Raymond,
I like, I like watched a little bit of you
know what we covered in the WrestleMania. That's how primarily
got to know. So any of the ladies I got
to know growing up were like you mentioned Mullah, may
Leilani uh, Wendy Richter and later Landra bray Lundra Blaize, Medusa.
(04:23):
So I didn't really have that much like background coming
into it. So I was excited just because it's another
wrestling movie. This is like maybe a little bit of
year and some change after the Iron Glot movie that
had so just being able to cover other content and
(04:44):
know that there's more wrestling stories out there that we
just need to uncover. That dark side of the ring
has probably not gotten into that much because I believe
they've only done the Mullah episodes only they haven't gotten
into I guess this is considered kind of like a
bright side, like positive news.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think they did a Sherry episode, did they not
they did?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
If they did, I didn't get to see it or
I didn'tn't heard of it yet, but I know they
were talking about it. But I'll have to get back
to it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So this movie was directed and written by ash Al Wilson,
and I heard that he actually read this book about
ten years before and was inspired to write. I also
kind of surprised because it looks like he's directed about
three or four movies prior to this. The budgets about
five hundred and fifty five thousand, which nowadays seems to
(05:36):
be pretty small on the scales like these multi million,
big dollar, big budget movies. So, like we said, Mildred
Burke was the first female professional wrestling world champion. You
all talk about Moula, That's what I was thinking as
far as like historical wrestling from my viewpoint, but she
(05:58):
was wrestling in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, which
was really exciting to not only watch, see and learn about.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, so, do you have anything else before we start
like breaking into a little bit more of the meat
of this or our thoughts and opinions of this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Raymond, I love this movie both from an entertainment perspective
but also from an educational perspective because there are a
lot of wrestlers whose influence gets overlooked today and Mildred
work absolutely falls into the category. But this also this
movie is also a reminder of how influential Gorgeous George
was and a lot of people forget that that. You know,
(06:40):
people look at flamboyant wrestlers like Rick Flair or flamboyant
athletes like Muhammad Ali, but Gorgeous George inspired all those
guys and then some even some weird ones. Like Bob Dylan,
like he met gorgeous George, and Bob Dylan met once
and he said something to him like you're doing it right, kid,
And Bob Nolan said that like carried him for years. One.
(07:04):
I did not know that, but that's cool.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, So yeah, Raymond mentioned gorgeous George, so I just
wanted to put a picture up there of gorgeous George
was paid by some aussy some guy down under and
this is his big motion picture debut too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and he has gorgeous look at those locks his
outfit and according to this movie, he was inspired by Mildred.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah. Well that's where we're We have this thing where
we're going to get into some of this u some
of the things introduced, like like the banner says wrestling accuracy.
So that's where me and Raymond kind of know kind
of a little bit of more things. And you know,
maybe you saw something when you were doing your research,
but I know for sure. The one thing I want
(07:57):
to point out is that they have this and spoilers
if you haven't watched it for that, and you know,
we can't get give you a proper review from wrestling
fans perspectives without having a shy couple of scenes and
get into a little bit of the details. But we
have this thing that I want to bring up where
(08:19):
a lady wrestler that unfortunately loses her life after she's
been reporting disneyness headaches and things along those lines. And
the movie she's played by Deborah and Wall who people
would know her from True Blood, most recently The Devil,
their double show when it was at Netflix and currently
(08:40):
now at Disney Plus. Yes, and she plays Gladys gill
Gladys kill them, Yes, thank you kill gillim And the
reason why I wanted to bring this up is because,
as Raymond mentioned, there's a documentary out there called Lipstick
in Dinaut, which premiered either in two thousand and four
(09:01):
two thousand and five. The time is kind of off
on that end. She was primarily the main speaker of
the documentary. So not die. Yes, she did not die
of a stroke. She could die, I mean, yeah, she
did die in the event eventually in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I of old age.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, she was eighty nine or something like that. She
got pretty far.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She had a full life. She had three kids. She
lived with one of them, as you saw in the
documentary Live Sick in Dynamite, and yeah, that's the only
thing I want to bring up here, just because there
are some producers, especially one that has fifty years plus
in the business. I'm talking about good Old Jr. If
(09:48):
people haven't gotten or may have not looked at that,
and if he's been in the business for that long,
he should have been one of the ones to be
able to catch this and be like, hey, we can't
put this out there, we need to chase the name.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You can't see I don't know. I mean, it's a movie,
it says.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Based on based on the true stories, so it's like,
now you have to question which part of this, which
part is true, and which part isn't right.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But I mean, I I've come to an understanding about
this with movies, starting with Moneyball about the Oakland A's
and I lived in San Francisco at the time, and
I went to a lot of A's games because they
were cheap and nobody else would. They used to have
a dollar ticket, dollar hot dog days on Wednesdays, So
(10:36):
I was there for the Moneyball period, and so many
things in the movie are so inaccurate. Movies like the
Social Network, even the iron Claw. So there there have
been so many movies that are based on a true
story that you know they get Hollywood with it. Yeah,
it used to piss me off more, but then the
(10:57):
Hollywood has kind of battered me into submission and okay,
this is outs none. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, I'm still gonna fight the good fight because somebody,
this lady wrestler lived a very long time and she
did have manage to go ahead and have some children.
So I'm also said that her state didn't like if
they've watched this movie, they haven't bothered to bring it up.
But that's one of my things about this. Do you
have anything, Maria, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like the promise. So the premise of this movie is
we have a small town waitress with a very solid
relationship with her mother that becomes interested in wrestling and
she ends up wrestling men. It's a great picture at carnivals,
(11:45):
you know, like out of all the things, and so
she goes to traveling carnivals. She's wrestling for what is
it about twenty five dollars?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think it's from whatever the person wants to bet.
From what I know our from what I gathered from
what the movie would explain to us, because they're pay
an entrance fee the the audience to get in there.
So now you have gate money and then you have
that you plant on there to get like the ball going.
So people get courage like, well this lady lost me,
(12:16):
I'm better than that lady, and then they bet whatever
money that they wanted to throw.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So, like the promise of the movie itself, small town
Waitress ends up being like a global wrestling sensation.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But you see that's already inaccurate because she was not
a waitress when she met Billy Burke. She was she
was like a secretary or something. Yeah, she was the
waitress before. Yeah, a stenographer, so she was she had
those like mini typewriter things.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, small town waitress, stenographer.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
She absolutely was a waitress in the movie though, So
it's another Hollywood fight that one, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, I'm gonna fight for that one too, because then
she become a stenographer because of she was helping out
in World War One or something like that. For I
think I was a stenographer, but I like.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
The idea in such a time where there were so
many restrictions on what a woman and could do and
couldn't do, right, you know, she was bold enough to
make those moves and take those chances. A single mom,
she had a son. We get to see throughout this movie.
We get to see that strong support that she has
(13:30):
for her son and how her son supports her towards
the back end of this movie. So I like the
promise of the movie and thought that was pretty interesting,
and I thought out of when I was like, oh,
this is the actress that we're picking. I think she
did a really good job showing that love not only
for her mother, but also for her son and the
(13:55):
other wrestlers throughout this movie as well.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Do you have an what did you think of the
casting of her mother? Because numerically, yes, that could be
her mother, but the way they looked on say, what
did you have her when you were aged? Because they
didn't look that far apart in age to me, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That was one of the things I was going to
bring up Raymond. But the reason I didn't do it
is because I have to remember that this movie is
taking place in the beginning, like in the mid thirties.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It could be one of those things where she could
have had her young, like at fourteen or fifteen, right,
and so the mom is probably like in her late
thirties early forties. But that was something that I had
picked up just because I'm so used to everything being
more modern when we're watching movies and I'm like, I
have to remember, this is the thirties, the thirties, the thirties.
(14:50):
So I was like, I was going to bring that up,
but I also it because of that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You're right, So I thought the casting was fine. I
had no issues with the mom and daughter, and to
my understanding, I think she is thirty three right now
as her.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Current age Emily.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So I was kind of surprised. I guess she was
in her twenties when she was in Errol and Eryl.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It had to be like pretty early twenties. Done.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So, Raymond, did you have anything that you wanted to
point out besides the age discrepancy between Mildred and her mother.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, I mean, it just looked funny to me visually,
but that's a great point about that time period. As
far as accuracies go. They did show how abused and
exploited Mildred was, but that's just scratching the surface. This.
This woman added tough to the point where she was
(15:49):
mentally breaking down for being shut out of what she
wanted to do for a living. So they could have
done I understand that it has to be they can't
get into a morose, depressing thing for what's supposed to
be an uplifting, positive movie. But yeah, if you want
to learn more about Mildred Burke, and I think it's
(16:10):
well worth going into. This woman went through a ton
to succeed.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I heard she used to carry a runch around with
her repliers because of the situations that she would get
into with men while she was doing her work. So,
like Raymond said, if you have the opportunity, definitely look
into it. You'd want to say that we're here in
twenty twenty five and that things would be so much
(16:39):
different from the way that they are then.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But it's going back now. You're gonna have no rights
in five years, Maria.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I agree with you. That's what I'm saying. That's I
think this is a perfect time for this movie to
come out because you see what women have to endure
and deal with. And what I was saying is that
you'd like to say that, oh, this was in the
thirties and forties, and we've come such a long way,
but here we are in twenty twenty five, still dealing
(17:09):
with these same situations and scenarios. So I thought this
was a good glimpse of some of the things that
women had to deal with, for example, getting married so
she'd have a stake in the business, and she secured
her and her son's future and the share of that money,
which we'll talk about a little bit later on because
(17:30):
that ends up changing for her as well. But this
was just a really good movie and a really good watch,
and perfect timing with all the things that we're going
through at this point. So do you want to talk
about the cast?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and get into it because
that is part of the storytelling. So I got a
good group picture here. So we mentioned Karen Paige, excuse me,
Karen Paige killing yeah, all the way to I believe
that this is the right If you're viewing it over
here with the yellow top and the black bottoms, it
(18:09):
is left, okay, all right, thank you. But however, the
redhead with a bright greenish yellowish top in the black bottoms,
it's glad Sharon or Gladys Gilm and then the middle
with the zebra stripe bikini ensemble is Mildred. The one
(18:34):
with the red bikini is a face well known if
you're a wrestling fan because or watch wrestling shows, especially
the one called The One Heels that was on Stars
and it's currently on Netflix. Because Kelly Berglin is the
one that plays the who's also this Crystal and she
(18:59):
plays now in this movie. I forgot the last name,
Sorry about that. And then we have Babs Wingo over here,
which is one of the She was the first professional.
She was the first woman of color to break into
the business of lady wrestling, and her sister Ethel Wingo
(19:26):
becomes the first woman of color to hold the championship.
And that's played by Naomi or Trinity Fatu, who is
currently a w w E talent and she did not
get featured that much in this movie, but she does
have billion in the movie. And here as well. Another
(19:47):
lady that we have that is currently a wrestler besides
the one mentioned there is the timeless one Tony st
She plays an antagonist for Mildred as she's trying to
go ahead and break into the national wrestling alliance to
(20:11):
become their champion, but she goes against Carla Mortensen is
who Tony Storm plays, and they end up having this
disagreement with the bookers who brought Mildred over as someone
to challenge Carla, but had thought they had thought that
(20:31):
they had an agreement where they were going to have
Mildred when the belt, and that wasn't going to be
the case unfortunately, and eventually they have I guess they
bring it up there where they where they have a
shoot match. Now have you ever getting into that, Raymond,
(20:52):
You ever heard that actual term that had to happen? Yeah? Shoot? Okay,
those are newer or newer to wrestling and new fans
like Marina is like a shoot is pretty much were
It's no longer part of the story. It's no longer
part of the agreement. Uh, it's now we're this is
(21:13):
for real. You know, I'm gonna either hit you or
hurt you or do something to get your attention because
something's either going off script or this is going on
how we agreed.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Right, And usually the wrestlers were the ones that had
to pay for like in this situation, if the bookers
had a disagreement, then the wrestlers were the ones that
would have to suffer for that disagreement by doing a shoot,
whether they wanted to or not.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Right, so we have that one and that's how they
end up taking the belts back and forth from each other.
And then another wrestler that we have here. Uh, she
is an aw but I'm not sure what her current
still go ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I thought she was dropped.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, that's the thing is nobody knows. She's avoided saying
it on on TV. So maybe she's not happy with
her booking. And you know how Tony has been holding
off people, uh you know who have been saying not
nice things in the media about like their ringtime or
the way their storylines are going or things along those lines.
(22:26):
So maybe she's just playing it nice but not saying anything.
So she didn't get out of her contract earlier. And
I don't have to worry in limbo like name Phoenix
and and Penta. But this is Camille the brick house.
Camille is her moniker. She was the first. Uh, she
(22:51):
was the I guess the first champion after Billy Corgan,
who now owns the National Wrestling Alliance, bought the belt
that Mildred had throughout the whole run of her championship
when Mildred was a champion, Mildred burke how much she
paid for it, I'm sure we could find that out.
But yeah, she ended up Waring wearing that belt, the
(23:13):
same belt that Mildred Mildred had and more and it
has a little picture of Mildred in that aspect and
it's still currently still around and uh a and and
w A.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
So both Camille and Tony used their real names in
the credits, which I thought was interesting without parentheses with
to their characters.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it was fun to see because I'm not sure
if that's her maiden name because she's married to uh oh,
what's that guy's name?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that guy, It's gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Did you all talk about Tony Roll? Yeah, we just
talked about her. She was the sister of Babs Wingo
f O Wingos. I think her I wish you would.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Have had a part that was a little bit more
fleshed out. And I think that was a problem with
the end of this movie as well, is that we
had so many characters introduced to us in such a
short period of time. I would have liked to have
seen more from her. And several of the ladies that
we were introduced to. So when we're talking about this,
(24:26):
you know cast because they definitely brought the heat during
this movie. You're talking about current day wrestlers that are
wrestling today, but we talked a lot about Emily Bett Records,
of course, because she's the show. She's Mildred Burke. We
also have Josh Lucas as Billy Wolf, who was a
(24:49):
great actor, her promoter and her manipula munipolative, I can't
say that word. There we go husband and abusive for sure,
you know, mentally physically, the tension in the beginning was
like very interesting, and of course that broke down as
(25:11):
we see throughout this movie as things kind of deteriorate
between the relationship. We have Tyler Posey. He plays an
ally and he is adding, you know, like that kind
of wholesome layer to Burke's world. Walter Goggins as pictured
here in the middle, you know, for those who are watching,
(25:34):
and he was one of the people who a wrestling
promoter who helped out Mildred after she split with her
husband slash manager Billy Wolf, who's pictured here next to Camille.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So this is when they're trying to reconcile to have
a match because Mildred has the belt and at this
point in time, they're divorced, Mildred and Billy, but no
one wants to recognize Billy's promotion as the one that
has the true champion, because everyone recognizes Mildred as being
the true champion. So right here they're trying to negotiate
(26:10):
one final match to have a true champion, which would
be Mildred versus June Buyers, right.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And this is a really this is one of my
favorite scenes in the movie because it shows how strong
a character Burke is, where she had to go through
the situation, deal with her ex husband, deal with these promoters,
talk to the audience still, you know, lift those muscles
(26:38):
like she did, which, again, the original Mildred and this
character that's playing her very strong. And some of the
wrestling that I watched from these old school reels show
how strong these ladies were, and also how I think
(26:59):
their technical moves were pretty good, Like they're great technical wrestling,
you know, great, these women are strong. Personalities are great. Also,
I heard one of the announcers say, we have pin
ups in the ring doing pinned downs, which is you know,
(27:20):
just like one of the standards at the time where
the women had to look gorgeous, be well dressed, and
also like very strong and ready to wrestle and be
tough in the ring.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And that's just something that ends up being weird to
me because from like the few videos that Maria pulled
up of Mildred, like maybe they're not as long like
three minutes four minute films or whatever that they're editing,
Like these women are doing more than what I remember
like women doing from the eighties to like the early
(27:53):
two thousands, right, and it's his territory r Juniors, So
it's like it's amazing, but it's also disappointing because you
figure that how we have now the women's divas or
the women's evolution revolution that we had with the Four
Horse Women, that should have come a lot sooner. Maybe
(28:14):
it's because we didn't have the talent, but it's just
disappointing that it just ended up going to where we
had these women going around either living the kfab and
doing like plotted out matches and choreographed things like that,
or having the shoot matches, which I heard happened a
lot more than it did it with the men. So
(28:38):
it's it's interesting, but like I said, it's disappointing because
we have from like this, maybe like the late seventies
to like I mentioned, the other two thousands, like twenty plus,
twenty five years plus of where we just had I guess,
mediocre wrestling here in the United States, because I'm not
sure what was happening overseas in Japan. Because as the
(29:00):
movie tells us later on, Mildred is one of the
pioneers that ends up promoting wrestling all over the world,
not just in the United States. But she goes off
to Mexico, she goes off to Australia and Japan where
she helps start the All Japan Wrestling Federation the women's
side there, and then eventually when she passes or maybe
(29:24):
she reaches a little bit of money issues, I kind
of forget, but All Japan ends up buying out the
world the World Women's Wrestling Alliance, which is the wrestling
federation that Mildred ended up making when she separated from
her husband.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Billy Wolf, did you take any screens of the woman
that played May Young.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I forgot to take a screenshot of that one of
Francesque Eastwood.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yes, and it is, yes, that Eastwood family, So she
is the daughter of Clint.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The guy who who is it? The guy Scott Right
got Eastwood too.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She was great as me young, also gorgeous actress. I
had no idea that she was Clint Eastwood's daughter.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Doesn't look good thing, but there are several times I
was looking at her because I don't really know her
from anything else, but I'm like, who is this like
budget Amanda Sea Freed.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Clint Eastwood definitely handsome in his day. I miss those
movies too, so I'm gonna have to rewatch some of them.
Grew up watching those with my dad and my uncles.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I did like that May got a spotlight because
she's also another one of the most influential women in wrestling,
and they alluded to it in the movie that she
was like legitimately one of the toughest women around. So
I like that they gave her that nod too.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, because when I was doing my research too, that's
all that it kept coming across is that May was
a really tough lady, and she did up ended up
really picking fights with sailors and other people and bar fights.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's just cool.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She was Meng before Meng was cool.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and then just to see her still wrestling where
I was introduced to her, you know, like through WWE.
I'm like, she was still pulling those moves volunto her
what seventies eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And she was going through tables. Scared the hell out
of me, Like, I think Buffa just killed her.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah. So that's one of the things that you know,
you get to like now since I've been taking you
down the rabbit holes of WrestleManias and into history, now
you get to have a little bit more of a
connection when we're talking about so she's not.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Not just a woman that gave birth to a hand.
I mean, that's what a lot of the younger generation
knows her, and that's totally understandable. But I hope that
this movie inspires them to look at these women like
Mildred and May Young and learn more about them.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah. And I'm also hoping that this movie review, if
people get to watch it, inspires people to go out
and watch this movie. Though we kind of like spoil
little things from here and there. But even though we're
talking about it and we're critiquing this movie, it's still
to me something that still should go out and watch. Yeah,
and if you made it this far and you're still
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Speaker 3 (32:52):
Like yeah, oh wait, let's see if this works.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, it works for him because he has.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Oh my all, what work?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Wowd what the future? Everybody the future? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So visually, to me, this film was a knockout. I
love all the clothing from the time, yeah, the vehicles,
the places that they stood.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah. The core was was yeah, just I love all
the little touches like that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We had tight camera angles, the sound the did you
know that Cat Bondye actually saying a song for the soundtrack?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, the soundtrack to this movie, which is okay. Maybe
they couldn't get the rights to it because, like we mentioned,
this is a five hundred and fifty thousand budgets. Yeah,
but they had Cat Bondye. I don't know who ever
heard Cat bond sing, but they have her do the
House of the Rising Sun.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So uh cover And let me tell you guys, don't
go out and listen to it. Please. If you are
a fan of Campondy, sure go ahead. If you haven't
listened to it, but yeah, save your ear holes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
For save your things, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And the only thing that I can say here for
me that I was kind of disappointed is as far
as like the story it tellian aspect. So we have
Ash Abilton, whose son of John Abilton, who produced and
directed Rocky and the Karate Kid, and I expected something
(34:55):
kind of like in those beats where you have like
the slow ride, you get the knockdown of the hero,
and then you get the the you know, the overcoming
of that obstacle and it. But it just seemed like
you got a slow rise. It just seemed for me,
(35:15):
it seemed like a little bit too long in the beginning.
I don't know if it was just me or it's
like the pacing was kind of off, like we felt.
I'm not sure what it was, but that was my
only thing. And I hear there is a three hour
cut of this movie. I'd watch that, so I would
be interested in watching that too, But who knows when
(35:39):
it's gonna happen. If it's gonna happen after it hits streaming,
and then later on after it's killed that they're like, hey,
now you gotta go out and see the director's cut,
which is three hours, because I want to see if
they add more of Mullah besides a picture or like
that one frame of her in the ring.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, I don't. That's a tough one to touch because
so many stories about how she used to exploit the
other women are out now.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's true, Yeah, but I would just to have her
there just to see because she and Mildred are women
that end up having their own promotions, So just to
like have to see that Mulla was not only trained
by Mildred and with Billy, but also inspired to go
(36:33):
ahead and actually have her own promotion too. I'm not
saying you have to focus it on her, but it's
nice to know that, you know, she not only probably
inspired other women later on, but she actually did inspire
someone even to help get more of the main WWE
only audience. They're like make that connection, like, oh, this
(36:54):
is Mulla, Mula was trained by her and things like that.
So that's the only reason I would like see something
like that. Also, just to see Mickey James's credited to
explaining Mullah on here. All right, so what that we'll
get to for me?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean, even w w E is trying to like
erase some of her history, so I get why she was,
you know, swept aside in this movie. I don't I'm
not sure it would have added things from historical accuracy standpoint,
but in terms of being a movie, I kind of
feel closer to Maria in terms of the pacing and
(37:39):
that I did feel it was similar to like the
Rocky and the Karate Kid arcs, and that it is
it's very much a glossed over tail because even though
at the end of the movie you feel inspired that,
oh yeah, she Mildred was totally triumphant, that's really not
kind of how it ended for then she still had
a lot more troubles and yeah, a lot more struggles
(38:02):
after that. But it's again like it's a Hollywood thing.
They do it with with everything based on a true story,
because sometimes the true stories are more depressing than what
they want to tell, all.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Right, especially like the Claw, But like with this one,
like you're saying, is like we do see her rise
up from learning how to wrestle, building up that muscle,
getting competitive, and then setting up their business together, and
we see her go through these multiple fights and like
(38:35):
literally getting those are just the two that we know of,
so who knows how many fights she got into with
her spouse and business manager at the time, Billy Wolf,
and she was making what was it like, millions of
dollars for the time, So she's the first woman athlete
to make at least a million dollars again owning her
(39:00):
own promotion. And then when they got divorced, she left
with nothing, and so she had to rebuild herself back
up one more time. So I see some of the
women that left with her originally had to leave for
you know, financial reasons, because they were being offered more
money under other promotions. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Random question for you about Emily Bette Rickard's performance, which
I thought was great overall. But yeah, sometimes in the
more dramatic scenes where the speaking voices the volume turned up,
I'm like, wait, what happened to your accent? Like, all
of a sudden, you sound like Felicity Now you were
at a southern accent like five minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, there were parts that were painful to hear. And
I guess because I watched Chierro for so long, I
see felicity in her character. So there were a lot
of points that she nailed for me a lot of
things that she did well, and like you said, during
some of the most dramatic scenes that were a little
awkward for me were with Billy's son, g Bill. So
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his character was like very cringey to me through this
whole movie.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yes, and a picture of what he really looked like, because.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I was like, yes.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So it was really hard for me to watch his
character throughout this movie because he was so cringe and
his stature was like bent over, hunched over, and he
was just like such a small character, which I get
it because your father figure is so large, larger than life,
and crushing his spirit like consistently throughout this movie is
(40:46):
what we're seeing. And then the plot twist for me
was that he ends up having one of the other
wrestlers getting married to his son because the son was
interested in Mildred and wanted to get married with her.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
So he did actually marry June Buyers in real life.
I don't know that it was because that's what his
father pushed her into. I would guess that was made
up for the movie, but they that they did get
married in real life.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, it was such a strange plot twist. So like
her character with his son, like during those scenes where
they're supposed to be connecting is like Lovenges. We're just
really hard for me to watch because it didn't seem
like genuine or there was like no spark. There was
like what is this? Why do we have this in here?
It doesn't make a lot of sense for me and
was kind of a waste of time. I get it
(41:39):
because of all the cruelty that was, like, you know,
put on both of them. You're not able to marry him.
You all are in love, you're never going to have
her and you're never going to have him at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So yeah, spoiler alert, spoiler for people trying to decide
to watch it, And that brings us to but our
banner says below, Bye, is this movie, Queen of the Ring?
Movie worth watching? Whether you're a NEWO fan or a
longtime fan of wrestling. Raymond You're I guess, so we'll
(42:12):
start off with you.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, I think it is on multiple levels. If you're
a casual wrestling fan, it's it's an entertaining movie to
begin with, and really impressive for a five hundred thousand
dollars budget, and that's just insane. Now I used to
think of when I think of low budget movies that
are really good, Chasing Amy is probably my favorite. That
(42:34):
was two hundred thousand, but that was like in what
like two thousand and two or something, and you know,
twenty three years later or twenty whatever years later, to
do a movie on five hundred thousand is insane. The
Iron Claw was a small budget film, but that was
I think it was like sixteen or seventeen million the
budget for that one. And I think, to me, this
(42:57):
is a better movie Queen of the Ring. Yeah, and
that I might be biased on that because I was
such a fan of the von Eriks and I know
their story really well, whereas Mildred Burke a lot of
her stories I don't know well at all. So the
inaccuracies in The Iron Claw really bothered me. Some of
(43:18):
the emissions, yeah, the missing brother that was never in
the movie at all, who also died, and some of
the changes and some of the timeline truncations really bothered
me in Iron Claw. And also the just the way
they looked like zac Efron was bigger than what's the
(43:40):
chef guy from.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
A Oh yeah, I know what you're talking to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Bute Krry Kerry was the bigger one in real life,
or the bigger steroid appears in real life, whereas Kevin
had a more natural physique.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But in the movie, you know, I think it's because
I know so much about the van Erics that the
inaccuracies and the details bothered me more in that. But
even that, aside just what they accomplished for the money,
they had pretty blown away by what Queen of the
Ring accomplished. I mean, as a movie, it was very inspiring.
(44:19):
I left the theater. I'm like, Wow, Mildred Berk kicks
ass like I want to learn more about her. If
you're any kind of a wrestling fan, I think these
are important people to know about and learn more about.
So I hope it gets people to do that. As
far as wrestling movies, it doesn't have a great history
like so we have, like The Wrestler and Iron Claws
being the ones that are critically acclaimed. I'd put this
(44:42):
up there with them for sure. And Race, the one
with Face from the A Team with Roddy Piper and
the Tonga Kid. That was really bad movie, but when
I was a kid, that was awesome because the wrestlers
weren't in movies at that time.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's true, And wrestlers and movies all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, especially one that's making lots of movies as the star.
Donny you Dewey the Rocket, you're watching this, thank you
for watching. But to help out Raymond, Jeremy Allen White
is who he was referring to from Zachy From and
Jasey Namy came out in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, two hundred thousand in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Okay, that's got to be like a million plus by now.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
But that was still considered like really low budget for
the time, which has insane to me. God, I remember
going to that movie in theaters and I went.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
To see that, and I went to go see Half Baked.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So I took this Polish waitress. He was quite pretty,
and she did not understand the movie at all.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
If you're that Polish waitress. They went on a with
Raymond to see Taxing Namy. We'll let you know how
to reach it. But Maria, what did you? Is this
movie worth watching?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I agree with Raymond sentiments about the movie. It's just
not a sports movie, just not a wrestling movie. It's bold,
it's vulnerable, and it actually exceeded the expectations that I
had for the movie. It honors woman who fight every
day in the ring, the workplace, in life, and would
(46:31):
definitely tell you to not revisit because you'll be watching
this for the first time. Visit this movie. It's definitely
worth a watch.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And as for me, besides all the little criticisms that
I have with the historical and accuracies and a couple
of things, I actually still enjoyed this movie. Like you know,
I had to put myself in like, hey, stopping it
picking this movie. Don't do it. Don't let it get
to you, because we've come a long way from I
(47:03):
guess ninety years plus of history has gone since you know,
Mildred and all these other ladies has started professional their
journey to professional wrestling. So but it's the matches are
very good. There's a lot of matches I think kind
of like six or seven matches, even some of our truncated.
But the last match where it has June Bayer's versus
(47:25):
Mildred is a very well plotted out match and will
remind you of pretty much of the first Rocky match.
I believe Rocky one the matches she has with Clara
Mortenson when she goes out and flies west to the
NWA in San Francisco, when she has that match with
the Tony who Tony Storm is portrayed. That was a
(47:48):
very good match as well. And you have little matches
here and there, but they're you know, because they're showing
off other characters. But regardless, you'll the action in the
matches will keep your attention very good. It probably could
have been tightened up a little bit more for me,
(48:09):
but regardless, it's only I think there any times over
two hours, ten minutes, two hours, fifteen minutes, So go
out there and watch it.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Carlos actually had a really good recommendation, and I was like,
I'm going to steal this from you when he said it.
He's like, it would be a really good series, and
I'm like, it would be a good series because we
got to get introduced to so many women that are
wrestling during this period of time. And if we're not
able to see like these, if we're not able to
(48:41):
see movies that are like thorough fleshed out with some
of these characters, then give us a wrestling series.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I think it would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know. Some truth, some not truth maybe some you know.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I mean I liked it as as a movie. I
think it works as a movie. And if you want
more accuracy, you have lipstick in dynamite.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
So was it?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Was it such a good h It was hard for
me to watch.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's hard if you that's budget.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
But it was to me like the the interviews were
like so chopped up, like you know, so back and
forth with these different wrestlers. It was hard for me
to watch.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
And so if that's what you want, you know, there
there's that. It's definitely rough because it's it's basically like
a fan movie, a fan Yeah, so what it is?
Or yeah, I mean it got bigd up.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
But the lady was interested who went around and interviewed
the ladies, the first ladies of wrestling.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I was curious what it was.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
But yeah, with our final thoughts in the ratings, H yes,
I reckon And people go out there and watch it
if you have two hours of fifteen minutes spare, or
if it's playing in your local theater. Because from what
I've got, like reports from like people that I know,
like our friend Doyle who's in Philadelphia, it's not playing
(50:15):
anywhere near him. He has to drive out about an
hour away for him to actually go watch this movie.
He's not actually going to go do it. So if
you are able to go out and support this movie,
if you're a fan of wrestling, if you're wanting to
get more stories out there to be told that aren't
like terrible, horrible stories like we get in the Dark
(50:36):
Side of the Ring, if you want, you know, to
hear more of inspiring stories like Mildred's and other women
of professional wrestling that are mentioned not only in this film.
But if you do manage to go out because we've
piqued your interest and your curiosity, find Lipstick in Dynamite.
(50:58):
I've heard that it's on a particular streaming network. This
starts with the letter Y and ends with the letter E.
But I'm not sure if the people don't want, like
want you to watch it that way, you don't have
to go and reent it if you can find it,
but it's definitely worth a watch. That one's an hour
and forty minutes. But you get a lot more introductions
(51:19):
to not only t ladies in this particular movie, but
you'll get more introductions to other ladies, and you'll get
more story about behind more stories of Mullah intertwining with
Mildred You'll get a item and Martinez other ladies like that,
(51:42):
and more stories of territories and how it went back then,
especially more with the Gladys Gillum who.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Did not die, Not Die.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
But now it's your turn. So if you watch this movie,
let us know, did the Queen of the Ring hit
you like it hit me? What scenes stuck out to
you or stuck with you like that one CNA was
talking about which part of Mildred's legacy inspired you the most?
Let us know. Drop your thoughts in our comments below.
(52:13):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, and Raymond, do you have anything that you want
to plug?
Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah, check out my next two episodes, which we'll have
Carlos on them. Go to our pad TV, our pad
video on YouTube, just search me on our pad TV
on most social platforms. But next week we're going to
be reviewing season three of Invincible, and the week after
that we're going to be talking about season five of
(52:40):
Harley Quinn. Super excited, really enjoyed both of these shows
and excited to talk more with you about them. Carlos.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I can't wait to get into those two shows.
One was very very very very exciting this season, and
one I think has had some very good highlights, but
I think it's just trending water. Tune into Rayment show
to find out which one. I think it is all right.
And as far as for revisiting the mania, we are
(53:07):
trying to narrow down and more We're gonna put out
during so many of thirty six episode. If it is
not a live stream, it will be recorded. So if
you have any questions that you want to put in
for Maria that you wanted to answer for you, If
you have any comments, please leave them in the comments,
(53:29):
and thank you very much for watching. See Yu Bye
peace
Hey, welcome to revisiting the Mania WrestleMania Rewatch podcast. I
am Carlos.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Maria.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And today we are taking a trip for a side
quest to do a movie review because it is Women's
History Month and I want to get out there and
watch things that interest me as well and then interest
my wife because guys, if you haven't noticed, she's a woman.
(00:33):
So we went out and saw The Queen of the
Ring and we'll get our thoughts and reviews. And joining
us is a longtime friend of the podcast, Raymond.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
No, I'm not sure which is going for is like.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
As long as some people don't come looking for us
because a lot of the signs so queen in the Ring.
What do you have Queen in the Ring?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, this movie just came out recently. We had the
opportunity to see it over this past weekend, and again,
thank you for joining us. As you know, i'm Maria,
your local resident or I don't know about local, but
your market training. I really enjoyed watching this movie and
I can't wait to get into it. We're diving, like
(01:25):
Carlo said, into a film that really had me hyped.
I was very excited, very surprised, at the main actress,
the lead in this movie. This is a biographical sports
drama that throws a spotlight and lots of respect on
a wrestling pioneer, Mildred Burke. So this one's for every
(01:50):
woman who's ever had to fight twice as hard to
be seen, heard and respected. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
All right, Well, Raymond, you have a little bit more
time as far as like with wrestling, as we covered
when we did our WrestleMania one show, very very long
time ago, almost two years. Yeah, but do you have
any thing that we might have missed from this movie
about or any background that you're familiar with as far
(02:21):
as with Mildred?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Not really, because, like you, my experience with the older
generation of women wrestlers was with Mullah and May Young,
So that's as far as back as I go. So
I didn't really know much about these ladies until the
documentary Lipstick and Dynamite, which I'm not sure when that
came out, but that's when I learned more about some
(02:44):
of the women in this film. A few of them
are covered in that documentary. But I learned about this
movie last year because I follow Emily Bett Records on Instagram.
What yeah, And I was a fan of hers from
the Arrow series and the CW. Carless and I used
to talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I started watching the ear I actually introduced Carlos to that.
I thought the first few seasons were excellent. Oh yeah,
and so we'll start getting like a little rom comy
for me.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I was not a fan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
And that's where I started to Like you mentioned Raymond.
We heard about this movie, probably already filming or being
written about a year ago, and she started posting these
her pictures of her transformation online and I was like, really,
they got Felicity. She's gonna play this. She's gonna play
Mildred Burke, this lady who was primarily tech support for
(03:46):
Oliver Queen and I love interest towards the end.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He has these massive triceps and photo very strong.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But so that was my that was my thing. Like Raymond,
I like, I like watched a little bit of you
know what we covered in the WrestleMania. That's how primarily
got to know. So any of the ladies I got
to know growing up were like you mentioned Mullah, may
Leilani uh, Wendy Richter and later Landra bray Lundra Blaize, Medusa.
(04:23):
So I didn't really have that much like background coming
into it. So I was excited just because it's another
wrestling movie. This is like maybe a little bit of
year and some change after the Iron Glot movie that
had so just being able to cover other content and
(04:44):
know that there's more wrestling stories out there that we
just need to uncover. That dark side of the ring
has probably not gotten into that much because I believe
they've only done the Mullah episodes only they haven't gotten
into I guess this is considered kind of like a
bright side, like positive news.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I think they did a Sherry episode, did they not
they did?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
If they did, I didn't get to see it or
I didn'tn't heard of it yet, but I know they
were talking about it. But I'll have to get back
to it.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So this movie was directed and written by ash Al Wilson,
and I heard that he actually read this book about
ten years before and was inspired to write. I also
kind of surprised because it looks like he's directed about
three or four movies prior to this. The budgets about
five hundred and fifty five thousand, which nowadays seems to
(05:36):
be pretty small on the scales like these multi million,
big dollar, big budget movies. So, like we said, Mildred
Burke was the first female professional wrestling world champion. You
all talk about Moula, That's what I was thinking as
far as like historical wrestling from my viewpoint, but she
(05:58):
was wrestling in the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, which
was really exciting to not only watch, see and learn about.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, so, do you have anything else before we start
like breaking into a little bit more of the meat
of this or our thoughts and opinions of this movie.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Raymond, I love this movie both from an entertainment perspective
but also from an educational perspective because there are a
lot of wrestlers whose influence gets overlooked today and Mildred
work absolutely falls into the category. But this also this
movie is also a reminder of how influential Gorgeous George
was and a lot of people forget that that. You know,
(06:40):
people look at flamboyant wrestlers like Rick Flair or flamboyant
athletes like Muhammad Ali, but Gorgeous George inspired all those
guys and then some even some weird ones. Like Bob Dylan,
like he met gorgeous George, and Bob Dylan met once
and he said something to him like you're doing it right, kid,
And Bob Nolan said that like carried him for years. One.
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I did not know that, but that's cool.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, So yeah, Raymond mentioned gorgeous George, so I just
wanted to put a picture up there of gorgeous George
was paid by some aussy some guy down under and
this is his big motion picture debut too.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and he has gorgeous look at those locks his
outfit and according to this movie, he was inspired by Mildred.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah. Well that's where we're We have this thing where
we're going to get into some of this u some
of the things introduced, like like the banner says wrestling accuracy.
So that's where me and Raymond kind of know kind
of a little bit of more things. And you know,
maybe you saw something when you were doing your research,
but I know for sure. The one thing I want
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to point out is that they have this and spoilers
if you haven't watched it for that, and you know,
we can't get give you a proper review from wrestling
fans perspectives without having a shy couple of scenes and
get into a little bit of the details. But we
have this thing that I want to bring up where
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a lady wrestler that unfortunately loses her life after she's
been reporting disneyness headaches and things along those lines. And
the movie she's played by Deborah and Wall who people
would know her from True Blood, most recently The Devil,
their double show when it was at Netflix and currently
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now at Disney Plus. Yes, and she plays Gladys gill
Gladys kill them, Yes, thank you kill gillim And the
reason why I wanted to bring this up is because,
as Raymond mentioned, there's a documentary out there called Lipstick
in Dinaut, which premiered either in two thousand and four
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two thousand and five. The time is kind of off
on that end. She was primarily the main speaker of
the documentary. So not die. Yes, she did not die
of a stroke. She could die, I mean, yeah, she
did die in the event eventually in the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I of old age.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, she was eighty nine or something like that. She
got pretty far.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
She had a full life. She had three kids. She
lived with one of them, as you saw in the
documentary Live Sick in Dynamite, and yeah, that's the only
thing I want to bring up here, just because there
are some producers, especially one that has fifty years plus
in the business. I'm talking about good Old Jr. If
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people haven't gotten or may have not looked at that,
and if he's been in the business for that long,
he should have been one of the ones to be
able to catch this and be like, hey, we can't
put this out there, we need to chase the name.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You can't see I don't know. I mean, it's a movie,
it says.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Based on based on the true stories, so it's like,
now you have to question which part of this, which
part is true, and which part isn't right.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
But I mean, I I've come to an understanding about
this with movies, starting with Moneyball about the Oakland A's
and I lived in San Francisco at the time, and
I went to a lot of A's games because they
were cheap and nobody else would. They used to have
a dollar ticket, dollar hot dog days on Wednesdays, So
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I was there for the Moneyball period, and so many
things in the movie are so inaccurate. Movies like the
Social Network, even the iron Claw. So there there have
been so many movies that are based on a true
story that you know they get Hollywood with it. Yeah,
it used to piss me off more, but then the
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Hollywood has kind of battered me into submission and okay,
this is outs none. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, I'm still gonna fight the good fight because somebody,
this lady wrestler lived a very long time and she
did have manage to go ahead and have some children.
So I'm also said that her state didn't like if
they've watched this movie, they haven't bothered to bring it up.
But that's one of my things about this. Do you
have anything, Maria, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like the promise. So the premise of this movie is
we have a small town waitress with a very solid
relationship with her mother that becomes interested in wrestling and
she ends up wrestling men. It's a great picture at carnivals,
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you know, like out of all the things, and so
she goes to traveling carnivals. She's wrestling for what is
it about twenty five dollars?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think it's from whatever the person wants to bet.
From what I know our from what I gathered from
what the movie would explain to us, because they're pay
an entrance fee the the audience to get in there.
So now you have gate money and then you have
that you plant on there to get like the ball going.
So people get courage like, well this lady lost me,
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I'm better than that lady, and then they bet whatever
money that they wanted to throw.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So, like the promise of the movie itself, small town
Waitress ends up being like a global wrestling sensation.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But you see that's already inaccurate because she was not
a waitress when she met Billy Burke. She was she
was like a secretary or something. Yeah, she was the
waitress before. Yeah, a stenographer, so she was she had
those like mini typewriter things.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, small town waitress, stenographer.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
She absolutely was a waitress in the movie though, So
it's another Hollywood fight that one, Carlos.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Okay, I'm gonna fight for that one too, because then
she become a stenographer because of she was helping out
in World War One or something like that. For I
think I was a stenographer, but I like.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
The idea in such a time where there were so
many restrictions on what a woman and could do and
couldn't do, right, you know, she was bold enough to
make those moves and take those chances. A single mom,
she had a son. We get to see throughout this movie.
We get to see that strong support that she has
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for her son and how her son supports her towards
the back end of this movie. So I like the
promise of the movie and thought that was pretty interesting,
and I thought out of when I was like, oh,
this is the actress that we're picking. I think she
did a really good job showing that love not only
for her mother, but also for her son and the
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other wrestlers throughout this movie as well.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Do you have an what did you think of the
casting of her mother? Because numerically, yes, that could be
her mother, but the way they looked on say, what
did you have her when you were aged? Because they
didn't look that far apart in age to me, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
That was one of the things I was going to
bring up Raymond. But the reason I didn't do it
is because I have to remember that this movie is
taking place in the beginning, like in the mid thirties.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It could be one of those things where she could
have had her young, like at fourteen or fifteen, right,
and so the mom is probably like in her late
thirties early forties. But that was something that I had
picked up just because I'm so used to everything being
more modern when we're watching movies and I'm like, I
have to remember, this is the thirties, the thirties, the thirties.
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So I was like, I was going to bring that up,
but I also it because of that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You're right, So I thought the casting was fine. I
had no issues with the mom and daughter, and to
my understanding, I think she is thirty three right now
as her.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Current age Emily.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So I was kind of surprised. I guess she was
in her twenties when she was in Errol and Eryl.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It had to be like pretty early twenties. Done.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So, Raymond, did you have anything that you wanted to
point out besides the age discrepancy between Mildred and her mother.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, I mean, it just looked funny to me visually,
but that's a great point about that time period. As
far as accuracies go. They did show how abused and
exploited Mildred was, but that's just scratching the surface. This.
This woman added tough to the point where she was
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mentally breaking down for being shut out of what she
wanted to do for a living. So they could have
done I understand that it has to be they can't
get into a morose, depressing thing for what's supposed to
be an uplifting, positive movie. But yeah, if you want
to learn more about Mildred Burke, and I think it's
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well worth going into. This woman went through a ton
to succeed.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
She didn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I heard she used to carry a runch around with
her repliers because of the situations that she would get
into with men while she was doing her work. So,
like Raymond said, if you have the opportunity, definitely look
into it. You'd want to say that we're here in
twenty twenty five and that things would be so much
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different from the way that they are then.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But it's going back now. You're gonna have no rights
in five years, Maria.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I agree with you. That's what I'm saying. That's I
think this is a perfect time for this movie to
come out because you see what women have to endure
and deal with. And what I was saying is that
you'd like to say that, oh, this was in the
thirties and forties, and we've come such a long way,
but here we are in twenty twenty five, still dealing
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with these same situations and scenarios. So I thought this
was a good glimpse of some of the things that
women had to deal with, for example, getting married so
she'd have a stake in the business, and she secured
her and her son's future and the share of that money,
which we'll talk about a little bit later on because
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that ends up changing for her as well. But this
was just a really good movie and a really good watch,
and perfect timing with all the things that we're going
through at this point. So do you want to talk
about the cast?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and get into it because
that is part of the storytelling. So I got a
good group picture here. So we mentioned Karen Paige, excuse me,
Karen Paige killing yeah, all the way to I believe
that this is the right If you're viewing it over
here with the yellow top and the black bottoms, it
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is left, okay, all right, thank you. But however, the
redhead with a bright greenish yellowish top in the black bottoms,
it's glad Sharon or Gladys Gilm and then the middle
with the zebra stripe bikini ensemble is Mildred. The one
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with the red bikini is a face well known if
you're a wrestling fan because or watch wrestling shows, especially
the one called The One Heels that was on Stars
and it's currently on Netflix. Because Kelly Berglin is the
one that plays the who's also this Crystal and she
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plays now in this movie. I forgot the last name,
Sorry about that. And then we have Babs Wingo over here,
which is one of the She was the first professional.
She was the first woman of color to break into
the business of lady wrestling, and her sister Ethel Wingo
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becomes the first woman of color to hold the championship.
And that's played by Naomi or Trinity Fatu, who is
currently a w w E talent and she did not
get featured that much in this movie, but she does
have billion in the movie. And here as well. Another
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lady that we have that is currently a wrestler besides
the one mentioned there is the timeless one Tony st
She plays an antagonist for Mildred as she's trying to
go ahead and break into the national wrestling alliance to
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become their champion, but she goes against Carla Mortensen is
who Tony Storm plays, and they end up having this
disagreement with the bookers who brought Mildred over as someone
to challenge Carla, but had thought they had thought that
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they had an agreement where they were going to have
Mildred when the belt, and that wasn't going to be
the case unfortunately, and eventually they have I guess they
bring it up there where they where they have a
shoot match. Now have you ever getting into that, Raymond,
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You ever heard that actual term that had to happen? Yeah? Shoot? Okay,
those are newer or newer to wrestling and new fans
like Marina is like a shoot is pretty much were
It's no longer part of the story. It's no longer
part of the agreement. Uh, it's now we're this is
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for real. You know, I'm gonna either hit you or
hurt you or do something to get your attention because
something's either going off script or this is going on
how we agreed.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Right, And usually the wrestlers were the ones that had
to pay for like in this situation, if the bookers
had a disagreement, then the wrestlers were the ones that
would have to suffer for that disagreement by doing a shoot,
whether they wanted to or not.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Right, so we have that one and that's how they
end up taking the belts back and forth from each other.
And then another wrestler that we have here. Uh, she
is an aw but I'm not sure what her current
still go ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I thought she was dropped.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, that's the thing is nobody knows. She's avoided saying
it on on TV. So maybe she's not happy with
her booking. And you know how Tony has been holding
off people, uh you know who have been saying not
nice things in the media about like their ringtime or
the way their storylines are going or things along those lines.
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So maybe she's just playing it nice but not saying anything.
So she didn't get out of her contract earlier. And
I don't have to worry in limbo like name Phoenix
and and Penta. But this is Camille the brick house.
Camille is her moniker. She was the first. Uh, she
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was the I guess the first champion after Billy Corgan,
who now owns the National Wrestling Alliance, bought the belt
that Mildred had throughout the whole run of her championship
when Mildred was a champion, Mildred burke how much she
paid for it, I'm sure we could find that out.
But yeah, she ended up Waring wearing that belt, the
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same belt that Mildred Mildred had and more and it
has a little picture of Mildred in that aspect and
it's still currently still around and uh a and and
w A.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
So both Camille and Tony used their real names in
the credits, which I thought was interesting without parentheses with
to their characters.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it was fun to see because I'm not sure
if that's her maiden name because she's married to uh oh,
what's that guy's name?
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that guy, It's gonna kill me.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Did you all talk about Tony Roll? Yeah, we just
talked about her. She was the sister of Babs Wingo
f O Wingos. I think her I wish you would.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Have had a part that was a little bit more
fleshed out. And I think that was a problem with
the end of this movie as well, is that we
had so many characters introduced to us in such a
short period of time. I would have liked to have
seen more from her. And several of the ladies that
we were introduced to. So when we're talking about this,
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you know cast because they definitely brought the heat during
this movie. You're talking about current day wrestlers that are
wrestling today, but we talked a lot about Emily Bett Records,
of course, because she's the show. She's Mildred Burke. We
also have Josh Lucas as Billy Wolf, who was a
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great actor, her promoter and her manipula munipolative, I can't
say that word. There we go husband and abusive for sure,
you know, mentally physically, the tension in the beginning was
like very interesting, and of course that broke down as
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we see throughout this movie as things kind of deteriorate
between the relationship. We have Tyler Posey. He plays an
ally and he is adding, you know, like that kind
of wholesome layer to Burke's world. Walter Goggins as pictured
here in the middle, you know, for those who are watching,
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and he was one of the people who a wrestling
promoter who helped out Mildred after she split with her
husband slash manager Billy Wolf, who's pictured here next to Camille.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
So this is when they're trying to reconcile to have
a match because Mildred has the belt and at this
point in time, they're divorced, Mildred and Billy, but no
one wants to recognize Billy's promotion as the one that
has the true champion, because everyone recognizes Mildred as being
the true champion. So right here they're trying to negotiate
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one final match to have a true champion, which would
be Mildred versus June Buyers, right.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
And this is a really this is one of my
favorite scenes in the movie because it shows how strong
a character Burke is, where she had to go through
the situation, deal with her ex husband, deal with these promoters,
talk to the audience still, you know, lift those muscles
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like she did, which, again, the original Mildred and this
character that's playing her very strong. And some of the
wrestling that I watched from these old school reels show
how strong these ladies were, and also how I think
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their technical moves were pretty good, Like they're great technical wrestling,
you know, great, these women are strong. Personalities are great. Also,
I heard one of the announcers say, we have pin
ups in the ring doing pinned downs, which is you know,
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just like one of the standards at the time where
the women had to look gorgeous, be well dressed, and
also like very strong and ready to wrestle and be
tough in the ring.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And that's just something that ends up being weird to
me because from like the few videos that Maria pulled
up of Mildred, like maybe they're not as long like
three minutes four minute films or whatever that they're editing,
Like these women are doing more than what I remember
like women doing from the eighties to like the early
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two thousands, right, and it's his territory r Juniors, So
it's like it's amazing, but it's also disappointing because you
figure that how we have now the women's divas or
the women's evolution revolution that we had with the Four
Horse Women, that should have come a lot sooner. Maybe
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it's because we didn't have the talent, but it's just
disappointing that it just ended up going to where we
had these women going around either living the kfab and
doing like plotted out matches and choreographed things like that,
or having the shoot matches, which I heard happened a
lot more than it did it with the men. So
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it's it's interesting, but like I said, it's disappointing because
we have from like this, maybe like the late seventies
to like I mentioned, the other two thousands, like twenty plus,
twenty five years plus of where we just had I guess,
mediocre wrestling here in the United States, because I'm not
sure what was happening overseas in Japan. Because as the
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movie tells us later on, Mildred is one of the
pioneers that ends up promoting wrestling all over the world,
not just in the United States. But she goes off
to Mexico, she goes off to Australia and Japan where
she helps start the All Japan Wrestling Federation the women's
side there, and then eventually when she passes or maybe
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she reaches a little bit of money issues, I kind
of forget, but All Japan ends up buying out the
world the World Women's Wrestling Alliance, which is the wrestling
federation that Mildred ended up making when she separated from
her husband.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Billy Wolf, did you take any screens of the woman
that played May Young.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I forgot to take a screenshot of that one of
Francesque Eastwood.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yes, and it is, yes, that Eastwood family, So she
is the daughter of Clint.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The guy who who is it? The guy Scott Right
got Eastwood too.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She was great as me young, also gorgeous actress. I
had no idea that she was Clint Eastwood's daughter.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Doesn't look good thing, but there are several times I
was looking at her because I don't really know her
from anything else, but I'm like, who is this like
budget Amanda Sea Freed.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Clint Eastwood definitely handsome in his day. I miss those
movies too, so I'm gonna have to rewatch some of them.
Grew up watching those with my dad and my uncles.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I did like that May got a spotlight because
she's also another one of the most influential women in wrestling,
and they alluded to it in the movie that she
was like legitimately one of the toughest women around. So
I like that they gave her that nod too.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, because when I was doing my research too, that's
all that it kept coming across is that May was
a really tough lady, and she did up ended up
really picking fights with sailors and other people and bar fights.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
That's just cool.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
She was Meng before Meng was cool.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and then just to see her still wrestling where
I was introduced to her, you know, like through WWE.
I'm like, she was still pulling those moves volunto her
what seventies eighties.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And she was going through tables. Scared the hell out
of me, Like, I think Buffa just killed her.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah. So that's one of the things that you know,
you get to like now since I've been taking you
down the rabbit holes of WrestleManias and into history, now
you get to have a little bit more of a
connection when we're talking about so she's not.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Not just a woman that gave birth to a hand.
I mean, that's what a lot of the younger generation
knows her, and that's totally understandable. But I hope that
this movie inspires them to look at these women like
Mildred and May Young and learn more about them.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah. And I'm also hoping that this movie review, if
people get to watch it, inspires people to go out
and watch this movie. Though we kind of like spoil
little things from here and there. But even though we're
talking about it and we're critiquing this movie, it's still
to me something that still should go out and watch. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (32:52):
Like yeah, oh wait, let's see if this works.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, it works for him because he has.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Oh my all, what work?
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Wowd what the future? Everybody the future? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
So visually, to me, this film was a knockout. I
love all the clothing from the time, yeah, the vehicles,
the places that they stood.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah. The core was was yeah, just I love all
the little touches like that.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We had tight camera angles, the sound the did you
know that Cat Bondye actually saying a song for the soundtrack?
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, the soundtrack to this movie, which is okay. Maybe
they couldn't get the rights to it because, like we mentioned,
this is a five hundred and fifty thousand budgets. Yeah,
but they had Cat Bondye. I don't know who ever
heard Cat bond sing, but they have her do the
House of the Rising Sun.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So uh cover And let me tell you guys, don't
go out and listen to it. Please. If you are
a fan of Campondy, sure go ahead. If you haven't
listened to it, but yeah, save your ear holes.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
For save your things, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
And the only thing that I can say here for
me that I was kind of disappointed is as far
as like the story it tellian aspect. So we have
Ash Abilton, whose son of John Abilton, who produced and
directed Rocky and the Karate Kid, and I expected something
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kind of like in those beats where you have like
the slow ride, you get the knockdown of the hero,
and then you get the the you know, the overcoming
of that obstacle and it. But it just seemed like
you got a slow rise. It just seemed for me,
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it seemed like a little bit too long in the beginning.
I don't know if it was just me or it's
like the pacing was kind of off, like we felt.
I'm not sure what it was, but that was my
only thing. And I hear there is a three hour
cut of this movie. I'd watch that, so I would
be interested in watching that too, But who knows when
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it's gonna happen. If it's gonna happen after it hits streaming,
and then later on after it's killed that they're like, hey,
now you gotta go out and see the director's cut,
which is three hours, because I want to see if
they add more of Mullah besides a picture or like
that one frame of her in the ring.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah, I don't. That's a tough one to touch because
so many stories about how she used to exploit the
other women are out now.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's true, Yeah, but I would just to have her
there just to see because she and Mildred are women
that end up having their own promotions, So just to
like have to see that Mulla was not only trained
by Mildred and with Billy, but also inspired to go
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ahead and actually have her own promotion too. I'm not
saying you have to focus it on her, but it's
nice to know that, you know, she not only probably
inspired other women later on, but she actually did inspire
someone even to help get more of the main WWE
only audience. They're like make that connection, like, oh, this
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is Mulla, Mula was trained by her and things like that.
So that's the only reason I would like see something
like that. Also, just to see Mickey James's credited to
explaining Mullah on here. All right, so what that we'll
get to for me?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean, even w w E is trying to like
erase some of her history, so I get why she was,
you know, swept aside in this movie. I don't I'm
not sure it would have added things from historical accuracy standpoint,
but in terms of being a movie, I kind of
feel closer to Maria in terms of the pacing and
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that I did feel it was similar to like the
Rocky and the Karate Kid arcs, and that it is
it's very much a glossed over tail because even though
at the end of the movie you feel inspired that,
oh yeah, she Mildred was totally triumphant, that's really not
kind of how it ended for then she still had
a lot more troubles and yeah, a lot more struggles
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after that. But it's again like it's a Hollywood thing.
They do it with with everything based on a true story,
because sometimes the true stories are more depressing than what
they want to tell, all.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Right, especially like the Claw, But like with this one,
like you're saying, is like we do see her rise
up from learning how to wrestle, building up that muscle,
getting competitive, and then setting up their business together, and
we see her go through these multiple fights and like
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literally getting those are just the two that we know of,
so who knows how many fights she got into with
her spouse and business manager at the time, Billy Wolf,
and she was making what was it like, millions of
dollars for the time, So she's the first woman athlete
to make at least a million dollars again owning her
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own promotion. And then when they got divorced, she left
with nothing, and so she had to rebuild herself back
up one more time. So I see some of the
women that left with her originally had to leave for
you know, financial reasons, because they were being offered more
money under other promotions. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Random question for you about Emily Bette Rickard's performance, which
I thought was great overall. But yeah, sometimes in the
more dramatic scenes where the speaking voices the volume turned up,
I'm like, wait, what happened to your accent? Like, all
of a sudden, you sound like Felicity Now you were
at a southern accent like five minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, there were parts that were painful to hear. And
I guess because I watched Chierro for so long, I
see felicity in her character. So there were a lot
of points that she nailed for me a lot of
things that she did well, and like you said, during
some of the most dramatic scenes that were a little
awkward for me were with Billy's son, g Bill. So
(40:14):
his character was like very cringey to me through this
whole movie.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yes, and a picture of what he really looked like, because.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I was like, yes.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So it was really hard for me to watch his
character throughout this movie because he was so cringe and
his stature was like bent over, hunched over, and he
was just like such a small character, which I get
it because your father figure is so large, larger than life,
and crushing his spirit like consistently throughout this movie is
(40:46):
what we're seeing. And then the plot twist for me
was that he ends up having one of the other
wrestlers getting married to his son because the son was
interested in Mildred and wanted to get married with her.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
So he did actually marry June Buyers in real life.
I don't know that it was because that's what his
father pushed her into. I would guess that was made
up for the movie, but they that they did get
married in real life.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, it was such a strange plot twist. So like
her character with his son, like during those scenes where
they're supposed to be connecting is like Lovenges. We're just
really hard for me to watch because it didn't seem
like genuine or there was like no spark. There was
like what is this? Why do we have this in here?
It doesn't make a lot of sense for me and
was kind of a waste of time. I get it
(41:39):
because of all the cruelty that was, like, you know,
put on both of them. You're not able to marry him.
You all are in love, you're never going to have
her and you're never going to have him at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
So yeah, spoiler alert, spoiler for people trying to decide
to watch it, And that brings us to but our
banner says below, Bye, is this movie, Queen of the Ring?
Movie worth watching? Whether you're a NEWO fan or a
longtime fan of wrestling. Raymond You're I guess, so we'll
(42:12):
start off with you.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, I think it is on multiple levels. If you're
a casual wrestling fan, it's it's an entertaining movie to
begin with, and really impressive for a five hundred thousand
dollars budget, and that's just insane. Now I used to
think of when I think of low budget movies that
are really good, Chasing Amy is probably my favorite. That
(42:34):
was two hundred thousand, but that was like in what
like two thousand and two or something, and you know,
twenty three years later or twenty whatever years later, to
do a movie on five hundred thousand is insane. The
Iron Claw was a small budget film, but that was
I think it was like sixteen or seventeen million the
budget for that one. And I think, to me, this
(42:57):
is a better movie Queen of the Ring. Yeah, and
that I might be biased on that because I was
such a fan of the von Eriks and I know
their story really well, whereas Mildred Burke a lot of
her stories I don't know well at all. So the
inaccuracies in The Iron Claw really bothered me. Some of
(43:18):
the emissions, yeah, the missing brother that was never in
the movie at all, who also died, and some of
the changes and some of the timeline truncations really bothered
me in Iron Claw. And also the just the way
they looked like zac Efron was bigger than what's the
(43:40):
chef guy from.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
A Oh yeah, I know what you're talking to.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Bute Krry Kerry was the bigger one in real life,
or the bigger steroid appears in real life, whereas Kevin
had a more natural physique.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
But in the movie, you know, I think it's because
I know so much about the van Erics that the
inaccuracies and the details bothered me more in that. But
even that, aside just what they accomplished for the money,
they had pretty blown away by what Queen of the
Ring accomplished. I mean, as a movie, it was very inspiring.
(44:19):
I left the theater. I'm like, Wow, Mildred Berk kicks
ass like I want to learn more about her. If
you're any kind of a wrestling fan, I think these
are important people to know about and learn more about.
So I hope it gets people to do that. As
far as wrestling movies, it doesn't have a great history
like so we have, like The Wrestler and Iron Claws
being the ones that are critically acclaimed. I'd put this
(44:42):
up there with them for sure. And Race, the one
with Face from the A Team with Roddy Piper and
the Tonga Kid. That was really bad movie, but when
I was a kid, that was awesome because the wrestlers
weren't in movies at that time.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's true, And wrestlers and movies all the time.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, especially one that's making lots of movies as the star.
Donny you Dewey the Rocket, you're watching this, thank you
for watching. But to help out Raymond, Jeremy Allen White
is who he was referring to from Zachy From and
Jasey Namy came out in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Yeah, two hundred thousand in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Okay, that's got to be like a million plus by now.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
But that was still considered like really low budget for
the time, which has insane to me. God, I remember
going to that movie in theaters and I went.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
To see that, and I went to go see Half Baked.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
So I took this Polish waitress. He was quite pretty,
and she did not understand the movie at all.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
If you're that Polish waitress. They went on a with
Raymond to see Taxing Namy. We'll let you know how
to reach it. But Maria, what did you? Is this
movie worth watching?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I agree with Raymond sentiments about the movie. It's just
not a sports movie, just not a wrestling movie. It's bold,
it's vulnerable, and it actually exceeded the expectations that I
had for the movie. It honors woman who fight every
day in the ring, the workplace, in life, and would
(46:31):
definitely tell you to not revisit because you'll be watching
this for the first time. Visit this movie. It's definitely
worth a watch.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
And as for me, besides all the little criticisms that
I have with the historical and accuracies and a couple
of things, I actually still enjoyed this movie. Like you know,
I had to put myself in like, hey, stopping it
picking this movie. Don't do it. Don't let it get
to you, because we've come a long way from I
(47:03):
guess ninety years plus of history has gone since you know,
Mildred and all these other ladies has started professional their
journey to professional wrestling. So but it's the matches are
very good. There's a lot of matches I think kind
of like six or seven matches, even some of our truncated.
But the last match where it has June Bayer's versus
(47:25):
Mildred is a very well plotted out match and will
remind you of pretty much of the first Rocky match.
I believe Rocky one the matches she has with Clara
Mortenson when she goes out and flies west to the
NWA in San Francisco, when she has that match with
the Tony who Tony Storm is portrayed. That was a
(47:48):
very good match as well. And you have little matches
here and there, but they're you know, because they're showing
off other characters. But regardless, you'll the action in the
matches will keep your attention very good. It probably could
have been tightened up a little bit more for me,
(48:09):
but regardless, it's only I think there any times over
two hours, ten minutes, two hours, fifteen minutes, So go
out there and watch it.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Carlos actually had a really good recommendation, and I was like,
I'm going to steal this from you when he said it.
He's like, it would be a really good series, and
I'm like, it would be a good series because we
got to get introduced to so many women that are
wrestling during this period of time. And if we're not
able to see like these, if we're not able to
(48:41):
see movies that are like thorough fleshed out with some
of these characters, then give us a wrestling series.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I think it would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
You know. Some truth, some not truth maybe some you know.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I mean I liked it as as a movie. I
think it works as a movie. And if you want
more accuracy, you have lipstick in dynamite.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
So was it?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Was it such a good h It was hard for
me to watch.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's hard if you that's budget.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
But it was to me like the the interviews were
like so chopped up, like you know, so back and
forth with these different wrestlers. It was hard for me
to watch.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
And so if that's what you want, you know, there
there's that. It's definitely rough because it's it's basically like
a fan movie, a fan Yeah, so what it is?
Or yeah, I mean it got bigd up.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
But the lady was interested who went around and interviewed
the ladies, the first ladies of wrestling.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I was curious what it was.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
But yeah, with our final thoughts in the ratings, H yes,
I reckon And people go out there and watch it
if you have two hours of fifteen minutes spare, or
if it's playing in your local theater. Because from what
I've got, like reports from like people that I know,
like our friend Doyle who's in Philadelphia, it's not playing
(50:15):
anywhere near him. He has to drive out about an
hour away for him to actually go watch this movie.
He's not actually going to go do it. So if
you are able to go out and support this movie,
if you're a fan of wrestling, if you're wanting to
get more stories out there to be told that aren't
like terrible, horrible stories like we get in the Dark
(50:36):
Side of the Ring, if you want, you know, to
hear more of inspiring stories like Mildred's and other women
of professional wrestling that are mentioned not only in this film.
But if you do manage to go out because we've
piqued your interest and your curiosity, find Lipstick in Dynamite.
(50:58):
I've heard that it's on a particular streaming network. This
starts with the letter Y and ends with the letter E.
But I'm not sure if the people don't want, like
want you to watch it that way, you don't have
to go and reent it if you can find it,
but it's definitely worth a watch. That one's an hour
and forty minutes. But you get a lot more introductions
(51:19):
to not only t ladies in this particular movie, but
you'll get more introductions to other ladies, and you'll get
more story about behind more stories of Mullah intertwining with
Mildred You'll get a item and Martinez other ladies like that,
(51:42):
and more stories of territories and how it went back then,
especially more with the Gladys Gillum who.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Did not die, Not Die.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
But now it's your turn. So if you watch this movie,
let us know, did the Queen of the Ring hit
you like it hit me? What scenes stuck out to
you or stuck with you like that one CNA was
talking about which part of Mildred's legacy inspired you the most?
Let us know. Drop your thoughts in our comments below.
(52:13):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, and Raymond, do you have anything that you want
to plug?
Speaker 3 (52:18):
Yeah, check out my next two episodes, which we'll have
Carlos on them. Go to our pad TV, our pad
video on YouTube, just search me on our pad TV
on most social platforms. But next week we're going to
be reviewing season three of Invincible, and the week after
that we're going to be talking about season five of
(52:40):
Harley Quinn. Super excited, really enjoyed both of these shows
and excited to talk more with you about them. Carlos.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I can't wait to get into those two shows.
One was very very very very exciting this season, and
one I think has had some very good highlights, but
I think it's just trending water. Tune into Rayment show
to find out which one. I think it is all right.
And as far as for revisiting the mania, we are
(53:07):
trying to narrow down and more We're gonna put out
during so many of thirty six episode. If it is
not a live stream, it will be recorded. So if
you have any questions that you want to put in
for Maria that you wanted to answer for you, If
you have any comments, please leave them in the comments,
(53:29):
and thank you very much for watching. See Yu Bye
peace
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