Against All Odds: The Travis Dabbs, from TRIBUS, interview

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
In the electrifying era of two thousand and five, possibly
two thousand and six, amidst the pulsating heartbeat of the
music scene, I was on the verge of a groundbreaking interview.
The stage was set at Gators and now forgotten bas
John of Music in Farmington, New Mexico, for my revolutionary
show res TV All Access Weekend, a beacon of innovation

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in its time, poised to redefine the very essence of
Indigenous entertainment. Yet destiny had at the plans, and the
interview with Tribus, the enigmatic band at the forefront of
it all, never came to fruition. Fast forward nearly two
decades later, and against all odds, I found myself engaged

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in a riveting and deeply personal conversation the visionary lead
singer of Tribis, and a candid exchange that transcended time
and space. We delved into the heart of creativity, the
evolution of music, and the unyielding spirit that drives artistic expression.
Join me, grab your rucksack as we journey through the

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corridors of memory, where the echoes of the past converge
with the vibrant tapestry of the present. Revealing a story
of resilience, longing, and the enduring power of music that
unites us all. This is not just an interview, No,
it's a testament to the indomitable human spirit and the

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relentless pursuit of dreams against all odds. Hillip so Travis
did h I'm a dirty man. I'm on my I'm

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on my third cup of coffee already. So once once
I once I started hitting the third cup of coffee,
I started getting burps. And then, as my body's way
of saying, whoa bro, that's enough, Good morning morning.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
How you doing.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's a bad that's too bad.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's really kind of cool to you.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, dude, I mean I don't remember if it was.
I'm talking about like ancient times here, but when Gators
was around, way back in the black and white days
and you guys were jamming out there. I was working
in oil field, but I was doing this thing called
res TV all Access, where I was trying to create

(02:42):
this thing where I could go interview people, talk to them,
get music videos, you know kind of stuff, a native
kind of thing. And I, uh, I believe I'd reached
out to you and we we uh connected over at
gators because I got a bunch of pictures. I was
just looking at them the other day. You guys were
all fucking around. Yeah, yeah, and but it never happened
for whatever reasons. I don't know. It's like a million

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years ago. So it is really kind of cool, yeah,
to touch base again, and kind of cool to know
that after all these years, bro, you I mean, we've
never met, like, I don't I think we just talked
on the phone or some shit. I don't even remember
if we ever met in person. Actually, you know. Yeah,
but that's like two thousand and five, two thousand and

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six time frame I'm talking about, so that's almost like
twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, you're yeah, you're probably right.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, when did you guys form? Take me back, because
I mean, there's a lot to cover here, So first
of all, tell my audience who you are and what
you do and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, good morning, our good afternoon, I should say, Travis Dads.
I'm the uh I'm the vocalist for the native tribal
band Tribus based out of Gallas in Mexico. We are
five piece. Now, we've always been a four piece from
the from the beginning. But you know, now we're a
five piece. We got mister Brandon Curley on bass, I

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have Mark Curley on drums, Wilford Noble and guitar, Peter
Spencer on guitar, and myself on vocals. So yeah, you're
you know, we've we've been together, Peter and I, I
mean since we started was like back in high school,
fucking twenty two thousand, actually probably like two thousand, but
I've known Peter since grade school. You know, we finally

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kind of clicked up and talked about music in like
ninety nine era ninety nine in junior high and we
just kind of bullshit from there and then we said,
fuck it, let's just let's just damn, let's just you know,
play tunes that we like, and you know, we we
kind of hit it off from there. Two thousand, we did,
you know, a couple of talent shows at school. It

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was fun, you know, it was a it was a
high you know, never I I never felt and shit.
So we we, uh, we continued on with it, playing
with a you know, a local guys from you know,
from high school and people that were already in bands.
We just kind of clicked up with him and just
started playing and they were just doing it the funk around.

(05:10):
We were doing it because we loved it so much,
and we loved doing it. We we enjoyed the atmosphere,
We enjoyed the we enjoyed the stage is what it was.
You know, we enjoyed that that interaction and you know,
for for us it was it was just the interaction
and the music. And then from there, you know, we're

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just kind of it was just him and I, you know,
just trying to figure out what we wanted to do
because everybody that we were jamming to was either graduating
or you know, going to going to jobs and ship.
So we just said, you know, we picked up with
and we we met up with our early early bass player,
Lauren from help on his his baby brother Leland. You know,

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we linked up with him and he was he was
on base. And then we met our own uh an
old college from grade school to or from middle school.
His name's Matthew Lincoln. You know, we asked him to
join on drums and he was like, yeah, fuck it,
I'm down. So you know, we kind of formed our
first social lineup then and you know, we've just been
playing ever since.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Then.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Along the way, we got Rippy Williams. They based and
I think that's when everything kind of just you know
took off from there because we were all we were
all in college, we were all you know, having jobs,
we were you know, taking care of our families at
that point. You know, I had my my first child

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at that at you know, around that time, and you know,
we just we just started playing, uh kind of NonStop
after that, just ship. This was probably two thousand and three,
So between from like two thousand, we know, we just
we just started playing playing uh local gigs like just
garage garage shows and local talent shows and ship like

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that with our really line up. But then from like
southand one to two thousand two we started like playing
like the like the actual like gigs in the in
the area, Farmington, window, Rock Gallop and so forth. And
then when Rippy joined two thousand and threes when we

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really kind of you know, like really hit it hard,
you know, coming you know, practicing every day, practicing every weekend,
practicing like every every Wednesday. From what I remember, we
had we have a hoo gun out here in the
family in the family land, and we would play there
every Wednesday and every weekend. And you know, just tightening
it up. And and I think our first official gig

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as a group, you know, together was Hemlock. I think
it was Hemlock at Elmarrow and Gallop and it was
funny because we're getting ready for it and you know,
practicing and you know, doing the work. And I remember
coming home the weekend prior freshing around fucking around my
uncle's a dirt bike and I ended up frecking my

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ankle and I, you know, I told the guys about it,
like are you sure we can play? And I'm like,
fuck it, We're playing. I don't care if I had
brook PLAYNK going up and uh, you know that that's
when we you know, really kind of it kind of
took off from there. At that point. After that we
played ship Rock. I think it was like the day

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after if I remember, I think it was like maybe
the day after a couple of days after we played
ship Rock, we played like a couple of bands out there.
I don't remember, but I know Randall from Ranston Savage
through that show on and we played out there and
then after that it was just NonStop, you know, playing Gallup,
playing Farmington, playing window Rock and playing Think Albuquerque, and

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I think our first official gig in Albuquerque was like
two thousand and four. That year, we played a little
band that is no longer a little bar that's no
longer there. It was next to the lunch pad called
Golden It was Golden West, Golden or something like that,
Golden West Walloon, I remember, but yeah, we played there
and then from there it just kind of progressed into

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the launch Pad, and around two thousand and four or five,
I think Rippy Rippy left the group. He went to
pursue stick or Blood. And then we got a friend
of mine who I was working with at the time.
His name's Moses, Aaron Moses. He's in a war motor now.
So it's cool to see these other guys, you know,
start their own thing and start their own bend and

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they're really they're really taking charge too. But yeah, we
got him on base and we started playing out of
New Mexico. We were playing you know, out Pasto, we
were playing Phoenix, timpy Mesa. We were playing out in
like out in the reds Windblow adult area, playing out

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of state shows. You know, it's fun, but it was
only fun until a lot because you know, jobs took over.
Family life took over, and we just you we put
the we put the sand on the back and started,
you know, taking care of our families. And I think
two thousand and six to two thousand. It took a
long break. I think it was from like two thousands

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all the way till two thousand and eleven. I want
to say, maybe twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Uh wait, wait, wait, you took a break from two
thousand and six to twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, we took We took a break.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So right after we're playing, so just about right after
when we were supposed to do an interview over at
a Gators. Just after that, you guys would un hiatus.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I think so yeah, right around that time. Uh, that
was right. I think it was right when Gators, right
when Gators was taken off. I know there's a lot
of shows out there. So right around like two thousand
and six, we like, like you said, you know, we
took a hiatus and we just you know, concentrated on
the family life. But we were, we were I was
still passionate about it. On I was Peter. Peter was

(11:02):
still passionate about it. And you know, we we we
linked up again and started talking about, you know, playing
music again, Like, how do you feel about playing again?
And he was like, dude, I missed it. I missed
you know, I missed I missed right coming up with
our own ship and just playing our own songs. And
I said, well, let's let's do it again. And you know,

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at the time, it was it was we were trying
to find a drummer again. You know, our drummer. Drummer
was the doing his own thing and you know, you know,
he was doing his own side project so forth. So
we really we really didn't bother with that. And you know,
we we asked an old friend of ours, Matthew, Matthew Livingston,

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who was in a previous band called Bloodline, and we
we talked to him and he was like, yeah, fuck it,
I'm down. You know, I'm ready to play.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Matthew. You know, was he I did an interview with
Bloodline years ago for Native Entertainment? Was she the They
were making fun of him being the white guy. He
was the lightest complexion. I think he had a shaved head.
Was that him or was that a different guy?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
No? No, no, no, this is a different guy. He
was in the band prior to that. He was like
early the early days. I don't know if you I
don't know if you know Bloodline that well, but way
before they were Bloodline.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
They were called Spots No No, But I remember Rippy
telling me about that in one of the interviews. But
I mean, I've only known Bloodline going back to about
twenty eleven, twenty ten or something like that, because we,
uh we got did an interview with them, or we
were doing this countdown and so we did an interview

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and then they introduced the next video. Then the video
comes on stuff like this for his brutal music series
we're doing, but that's about it. And then I've seen
the long haired one of the long haired dudes I
don't remember his fucking name sometime later, and like like
most natives, you just see somebody and you just kind
of ignore them. So I was just like, man, this

(13:03):
motherfucker man, I know, goddamn well, he knows who the
fuck I am.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And but.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I was like, my my girl at the time, she
was like my wife now, but she's like, a ah,
it's just now somewhere about it. I was like, but uh,
I thought that I thought that would have been him,
the the Mexican white I don't know. I don't even
know if what he was really actually because if you
watch the interview, it's it's it's online, it's a I

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got just about I got almost everything uploaded to Native Entertainment.
But there's so much content from the Native Entertainment magazine
days that like interviews, sitting down with people, we did,
We threw shows, all kinds of stuff, right, so there's
a bunch of stuff on there. We had stuff from
left to left to rod. We had live bands performing.
It was just crazy stuff. And there's so much videos.

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I still got to upload a bunch of stuff. But
if you go there, or if you go to Native
Entertainment and you click on the YouTube link, I don't
even know if I got that up yet, but anyway,
there there's if you ever get curious about watching old
school interviews with like Bloodline, you'll see some of the
stuff that we've done. I also put or An Anthony
on the cover of the Rap Versus Metal issue. I
think that was twenty eleven, twenty twelve, don remember, Oh okay,

(14:15):
but anyway, go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, that that just
I was just when you said the name, I was like,
oh shit, Bloodline because everybody seems to be mentioned in Bloodline.
There's there's always a connection. There's always like a Hemlock
seems to be the the band that everybody talks about
doing their first shows with, and then Bloodline seems to
be connected. It's kind of like the Kevin Bacon effect.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh yeah, yeah for sure. But uh yeah, you know
we we we looked up with him and you know
those were those were like two thousand and ten, eleven
days and uh we got fighted to play uh op
deck Fear Factory, so you know as a as a
whole new group, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
With dude Fear Factory, how is fear Fractory? Were they cool?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It was? It was cool. It was a good show,
really that much of a They were good. They were cool.
You know. We talked to Gino for a bit, We
talked to uh forget who the bass for at the
time was, but we have we we talked to Dino.
We said hi to Burton for maybe a few few
seconds or a few minutes, and uh, you know that

(15:20):
we we've been on and we did our thing and
uh we hung out for a bit, we topt their
sets and we had to leave, but you know, it
was a fun night.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Wolf Wolford joined the group like right around that time,
like I was telling you, and then we just you know,
we just started playing again. You know, we started, but
this time it was different. You know, it was kind
of like we're just we're just gonna We're just kind
of gonna We're just gonna funk around a little bit,
you know, have a good time, you know, have a
couple of fears, enjoy ourselves.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know, so before music, before in the in before
you went on hiatus, you're saying that you were more
serious and honed in on it. But now years later,
you're just kind of like, let's have fun.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. You know, it was just
kind of we were really hitting it hard at that point,
and you know it did take a toll. You know,
we were we were you know, kind of falling out
with our families or falling out with our loved ones,
and you know we wanted to reconnect with them.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
And is that because you were on the road all
the time, you know that's because.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
You're you know, we're yeah, we were always out in Phoenix,
who were always out in Albuquerque, we were always out
in Farmington and and everybody's like, why do you guys
pick off so much? You know, and especially with work,
and work was kind of like, you know, you guys
need to make two's what you guys want to do?
You know, you guys, you either work full time or
just do this part time.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Dude. That's the suckiest thing about getting older, right, Yeah,
I know the responsibilities because you're like, well, hold on,
I want to get I want to get my dick's backstage,
but you got to go over here and you got
to earn a paycheck. Like, fuck, the paycheck is boring.
There's chicks back there who want to fucking hang out.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, that that was always a dragon too. You know.
It's like, you know, kind of kind of pick and
choose what you wanted to do. But yeah, you know
that it would be nice to make a living off
of what you're what you're passionate about, you know, but
there's a lot of hard work involved in it.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Why do you think anyway, why do you why do
you think that the that's a that's a good segue
real quick, because that's a that's one of the most
important things that that I'm curious about. I don't know
if you listened to any the interviews, but a lot
of them have the kind of the same. I'm searching
for answers because hopefully I can find an answer. Hopefully

(17:33):
somebody listening can be able to say, oh, I'm connecting
the dots. Dumb fuck, here it is. You know, but
why why do you what do you think music didn't
turn into a career if you're if you're gonna sit
there and reflect and you're gonna sit there on the
mountaintop and with your big goate and you're gonna stroke it,
and you're gonna be like, hmmm, let me seek the answer.
What's what's? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's always evolving? Honestly, it was always been an evolving genre,
especially with metal, you know, for different genres, different platforms,
and not only that, you know, new metal just kind
of came and went, and we kind of fell into
that genre of that new metal kind of thing. You know.
We we didn't have uh, you know, spectacular solos or

(18:13):
long drum solos or anything like that. We just went
up there and did our thing, you know, especially with
a couple of nat boys who were you know, enjoying,
enjoying what they did. But you know, it's always evolving,
you know. Right now it's what is it right now?
Metal core and uh, you know they're bringing back the
old stuff. You know, pan Terra's storing except for without
the Abbot Brothers, you know, rest in peace. But you know,

(18:37):
it's it's it's it was always evolving, to be honest.
You know, right around the time we were playing, you
know that New Metal came about, metal Core was starting
to pick up. Uh what else was there?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
There was the like the emo emo scene and ship
like that, and you know, we we really didn't care
about that. We we just cared about, you know, each other.
We cared about the music that we made.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
You.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh no, I'm outside, okay, because it's it's it sounds
like either there's wind or distortion. You're kind of cutting
out just a little bit, and there's kind of like
some kind of getting hard. It's almost like you're fading
out a little bit also because kind of some distortion.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
All right, hold on.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
What you need to do is you need a seat,
sit right at the sheep carew and put your hand
on the rams horn like come here, Dennis, come on,
hold a horn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're in digitous while
you're doing your while you're doing your interview, well plays
for the people.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
There, you go, no, now, yeah, but like, like you know,
like we were saying, it was just always evolving. You know,
the music itself was just you know, evolving into something new.
And right around that time we were we were kind
of changing our sound a little bit too. And you know,
right now we kind of honestly, we kind of forgot

(19:57):
half of our our set, you know, half of our
half of our catalog, and we're trying to remember some
of that. But you know, what we're playing now is
completely completely different, but it still sounds. You know, what
Trivis was was built on.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
What genre would you say you identify with most? Is
it new metal?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I would? I would say so. But we we, uh
we call ourselves tribal groove if that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, yeah, so we we're we kind of we we
do identify that the sound we we have into the
new metals genre, but you know, we we identify as
tribal groove.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
So, you know, a lot of it just grew.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
So you like, you like music that is, and you
guys make music that is more rhythmic? Is it is
it more? Is it closer to if you're going to
say tribal groove. What I'm thinking about is two things.
Either a group of white hippies with dreads sitting around
banging on congo's, smoking a lot of weed, eating shrooms,
or or like like uh sepulture right, and and I

(21:08):
know a lot of like there's a lot of diehard
people who say you're saying it wrong. Okay, but you know,
like with roots, like when they kicked in the that
that genre that kicked off the new metal with roots, Yeah,
is it more like that?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah? That that would that would be you know that
the rhythm of the of the drum, you know, the
rhythm of the beats, and that's what we you know,
that's what we kind of built off of. Well I
shouldn't say kind of, but we really based our our
sound off of that, that groove and that rhythm of
what they had, and you know, we really enjoyed that.
And of course, being you know native, that's that's something

(21:44):
that really you know, empowers you and it really brings you,
It really brings you, brings you up, and we we
really enjoyed that. So we we picked up off, picked
up off of it, and started doing that ourselves.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
What was your when you first heard.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Roots?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Tell me about your experience like that, like, and what
I'm talking about is like, for example, first time I
I didn't even know Roots came out, right, because because
you would only hear about these things through magazines or whatever. Right,
And I'm from ship Rock, so I would have to
walk all the way down the city market before it
became Pasha's years ago, right, walk all the way down

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from the south side of Shiprock to a city market.
Roach is your kid with the with the look like
a Mexican dude with the who's this Mexican long haired
dude walking down the city market? And I would walking
over with my long ass hair bushy, and I go
down to the magazine section just to go read magazines
because I wanted to find out about what all the
bands were up to, right, And then after I get

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done with that, I just put the magazine back and
I don't buy it because I don't got the money
to buy it. Walk all the way back home. Then
my mom would say, like, where did you go? Oh,
I went to a city market to read the magazines.
But I remember, I remember I didn't even hear about Roots,
and I was up in Farmington one day and I
went up to uh Hastings when Hastings was still around

(23:08):
and I and I remember walking in. I was two
with the two of my other buddies and were walking
in and sitting like right when you come in the door,
sitting on the rack over there. I saw this this
Amazon face and I was like, is that? And we
all kind of saw it at the same time, and
we made a bee line through it, and we're like,
holy shit, Supultra Roots, what the fuck is this? We'd

(23:31):
even hear. I remember, we just pitched in and bought
the fucking CD, and I remember hearing the drums for
the first time, and I remember, and this goes to
what you're saying it It does bring you up. It
makes you feel like you're a part of something, the
part of the world like this, because it's so many
times as a native it feels like you got forgotten about,
Like now you don't matter. Only black people, only white

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people matter. But you, yeah, I'll fucking matter. And so
to have a big fucking band like this two, even
if you know, even if they are, why do to
you know, to have them connect you to the world
of metal like this, You're like Holy fuck, this is
bad ass. You know, just the drums, the way, the
chanting and shopping. I don't know how many times I

(24:11):
listened to that ship don't repeat. Yeah, so that's what
I mean. What was your There has to be an
emotional connection to it, because it sounds like it was
a defining moment for you that inspired the future sound
of Tribus.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah. Well, honestly, it was the rhythm of the you know,
the opening. You know, you hear the guitar and you
hear the drum, and when you listen to the roots
and they listen to roots and you hear that the
intro to uh to the to the verse, you know
that that that drum, and then it hits the thumb,
you know, like holy shit. And then Max comes in,

(24:46):
you know, you know, singing along with all of it.
And then not only that, you hear the breakdown, you know,
the guitars and the brows fucking hits. It hits you man.
I mean that's what it was. But you know, that
kind of defined for where we wanted to go with
our sound and where we wanted to go with the
direction of the of the band. But you know, if

(25:08):
we want to go way way back. What really inspired
me to to try and do vocals or try to
do uh, try to do you know, singing and ship
It was honestly, it was White Zombie for me. It
was just it was the same. It was the same
kind of thing, you know, the drums and the guitar,

(25:28):
but you know, really really wanted what I really wanted
to do bothally was to what what Smax is doing,
you know, the the gut, the gutturals, the sound and
the that that beast of a voice that he had.
I was like, that's what I want to try and do.
So that's where it all took off. And then you know, naturally,

(25:48):
you know, as a Panteriff fan, I really enjoyed feels
the vocals too, so it try to try to get
that sound out of myself and you know that's where
we all kind of it all a colfrom there. That's
for what That's what I have now, you know, that's
the sound I have. That's that's what I sound like.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
What was what was the White Zombie album?

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It was.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Mm hmm okay.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, as Pete and then of course you know listening
to l that was that was another album. You know,
listening to that was awesome. I just like Rob's Boys too,
Rob Boy, you know it was really powerful too. But
you know, for the for what we were, what I
was kind of going in the direction was like I said, Max,

(26:38):
you know Phil, Phil and Somo and trying to get
that get that power out of it. But you know,
Rob Zombie really had a had an influence too.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I know, Phil, Damn, I'm a I'm a singer, a vocalist,
I fucking all different types of stuff, right, But yeah, Phil,
there's I'm pretty sure you do this. So probably hopefully
it don't come off forenty, but I'll when you hear
somebody singing like for me, like I don't know, I

(27:09):
let's say, uh, Iron Maiden the god damn it hollowed
be that name one of my one one of my
favorite songs. The way Bruce sings that song, the way
he delivers the the the entrance of that song where
he's sitting there right and he's talking about being taken
to the gallows, beautiful, beautiful, the way he sings in

(27:29):
I've I've attempted that and I think I've done a
pretty good job at it. And you could also listen
to that at native vnt dot com. I got that
uploaded just for the fuck of it, you know, and
I do stuff like that. But there's some vocalists that
are so hard to emulate. Metallica, I think is so
famous because James has such an unusual voice. I've I've
tried to sing Metallica songs and you know, just just

(27:51):
for the fun of it, and the fuck of it
you as a vocalist trying to copy, like get those
little tones and sounds right, super fucking hard with Metallica,
super fucking hard. I think that there's a lot of
people out there to say, oh, they can't do this
and can't do that, but dude, they fucking it works right.
And Phil Yeah, Cemetery Gates. I know everybody talked about

(28:14):
Cemetery Gates. But I remember at this, at this point
in time when I heard Pantera, I was a fucking
death head. I was listening to and I call everything
death mode as long as it's guttural and distored and
all that stuff, because I because I used to be
a metal snob, well let's crossed ship. Oh fuck all that.
Thanks too long to get through all that shit. But

(28:35):
I was listening to, uh, you know, like death, carcass,
cannibal corps, uh, massacre, oh fucking you know, uh, napalm death,
you know, things like that, just like things that were
just sound like dogs fighting over some food with some
somebody planing and distorted guitar or some shit. Right, But
when I heard Cemetery Gates from philm I was like,
holy fuck, this dude can sing. And I've attempted to

(28:57):
sing that song before and I fuck it up every
single time. So what what what's the song that you've
been attempting to or trying to Because look, let's be
honest here, If IF I, IF I, if I love
certain music and and I'm I'm a vocalist, I'm a singer,
I'm gonna try to copy them. I'm gonna, oh funk,
where's this on karaoke? I'm gonna fucking see if I

(29:18):
can do that. You've got to have done it before,
tell me, have you?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah? It was always like like you said, you know,
you're always trying to find that, You're always trying to
identify yourself, trying to find your identity through different different vulcalists.
You know, like you said, you know, we're at a
young age of course, of course you're gonna hit those
high notes like like bildad in cemetery gates are you're
not gonna sound just as good. Just you're not even

(29:47):
sound that good. No, like like you're like you're like
your little girl who's trying over a fucking happy meal.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
But dude, unless unless you're unless you're unless you're what
to do? What the fuck is from a death Angel?
The guy was like fifteen hitting those badass notes. Oh
uh Mark, Mark, Mark Cavalia. Is it no cavalera? Yeah,
that's doesn't sound though, cos.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. But unless you're that
fucking dude, then you're hitting all the notes.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, and uh, you know, but for for me to
emulate or you know, kind of kind of sound like somebody,
it was always it was always the uh great Southern
trendkill album for me, it was great Southern trendkill. It
was uh, it was so fly first album, of course,

(30:45):
the self titled album. It was it was a zombie,
like I said, for ast Retreat and it was just
trying to find my identity. But lo and behold somewhere
in the somewhere in the shadows of the band Ruin
and it was fucking Cold Chamber and I was like,
holy fuck, this band so fucking crazy, like the singers,

(31:08):
the singers like Lows were just fucking awesome and and
his his fucking strings were just fucking insane. And when
I heard they were going on to with Pantera fucking
ninety seven out in Albuquerque, I'm like, I'm going to that.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I want to fucking go to that.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
And there was ninety seven. It was that Albuquerque, Albuquerque
Convention Center with Cold Chamber, Anthrax, Tantara, and we got there.
We got there right when Cold Chamber was starting world
and we were in line. I'm like, fuck, I want
to go in there, like so bad. And uh. We

(31:46):
finally made it in and went through the gates, and
right when we made it through the gates, started up
on Logo and just hearing that shit live fucking insane.
Like at that point, honestly, I think at that point
my balls had dropped off, you know, like like holy shit,
holy fuck, you know this is actually real, It's actually happening,

(32:07):
and you know, just the whole fucking atmosphere, the people
that were there, the music, and just the the live
interpretation of their of their music was just fucking insane.
I'm like, this is what I what I love, this
is what I want to I want to do, you know.
You know, it was like, I'm willing to make this

(32:29):
my fucking career, my fucking thing. But you know, just
hearing that out loud and hearing it live, and I
think that's that's at that point for Okay, this is
what I want to try and sound like, this is
what I want to try. And you know I had
to say mimic, but you know, trying to make myself
sound like And you know, I started, you know, practicing

(32:49):
on my own day and night, at home, on the
fucking school or even at fucking school or just you know, everywhere,
even when we're hanging out with friends, So sending them like,
doesn't it hurt when you do that? So you always
get that question, doesn't hurt when you sing? Like that?
Hurt when you're doing that? And I'm like, now, you know,
after so long, after so many years of fucking singing,

(33:10):
you you know it's you. You adapt to it, right,
But you know that that's where I found my identity
was with with Cold Chamber, and then from there progressed
and it kind of worked my way into that that
kind of sound. And then after that, new metals came about,
Doom Metal took over, Corn took over, Cold Chamber took over.

(33:33):
You know, Static X came out. That's you know, just
it just ballooned from there, like it just blost from
there like that. That's what I was trying to get
myself sound like. And that's you know, that's where I'm
that's where I'm coming from. That's where my roots are.
You know, that's where everything just took off. You know,
but you know that's where that's where I'm from. You know,

(33:53):
that's that's all me right there.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
And that's badass, you know with the guys to know
when the aha it was, that's a that's a badass
time because it's an important time because we we all
remember those aha moments when we're like that. You know,
even if it was a thousand years ago and and
you lived a long time, you can be like, oh,
a thousand years ago, I was taking a ship taking
the coffee, and I remember this is what I did.

(34:16):
And because it's it's important, it's an emotional moment for us,
right like, fuck yeah, this is what I'm gonna do.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, true. And then uh, you know, like I said,
going back to the band story, you know, we we
took a break and we started playing, and like you said,
you know, that's when everything I took everything seriously, everything
was just you know, it was do or die at
that point. But then we started up again in twenty eleven,
like we're here to have fun, We're here to fuck

(34:44):
around and and you know, just you know, just enjoy
ourselves while we play the music that we like to play.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
So let's let me let me let me pause you
right through quick. Let me pause you right through a
quick because because this this little section here before you
continue on with that part, I'm curious was that decision
to have fun because now you're an adult, you're I
assume maybe you got kids, you married, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all have kids. You know, Speaking
for myself, I have I have two daughters. My my youngest,
yeah at the time, was two, two or three years old,
and my oldest was, uh eleven, you know, probably about
eleven eleven or twelve at the time. But you know,

(35:36):
they they never they never seen me play, they never
seen me uh they never seen that side of their dad.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
But this was probably that This was probably a reason
why you you I'm guessing this was probably a reason
why you guys were like, look, we can't ever that
was part of it, kind of like this mentality like
we've we've already gone down this road. We've pushed it
super fucking hard. But now we're adult where men, we
have people to be to take care of, and this

(36:04):
isn't something that we can focus on. Primarily our jobs
take precedence, but this is a hobby, and you know,
it's just part of us. But it's just a hobby.
Was that kind of where it's at.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, there's that. Yeah, that was the mentality of it.
It was the mentality of it. But you know, at
the same time, it was like, it's a hobby. You know,
we're getting to play for national acts, we're getting to
play for play with you know, good friend of ours.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's a cool hobby.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Oh yeah, yeah. And at the same time, you know,
the the hobby became you know, a playground for us
after work. You know, it's like, oh, we're gonna go
fuck around, We're going to go and enjoy ourselves. We're
going to have a couple of years and you know,
and so forth, and you know, it turned into something
like that. But at the same time, we're like, what
the fuck are we doing? You know, you know we

(36:54):
we we enjoyed each other's company, We enjoyed each other's
you know, humor, we enjoyed each other's uh, you know,
life stories, and we would just hang out, we would
bullshit with one another. And then from there it just
you know, just started playing local gigs. We started playing
Albuquerque again, We started playing Farmington again. We were never

(37:17):
really took it out of state after that.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
What did it feel like playing your first show after
all those years? What was it scary? Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
It was. It was a little scary, to be honest.
It was a little. Uh it was a little nerve wracking,
you know, like, am I gonna sound the same? Am
I gonna am I gonna be able to enjoy myself
like I did back then? You know where you know
it was it was all h It was all a
jumping and and and having the crowd interaction, you know,

(37:46):
bringing that bringing that back to life. And sure enough,
you know, it was like it was like we never
left or it never it never you know, it never
became a thing where it was like, oh, well these
guys do this or do that. But you know, people
enjoyed it. The crowd and enjoyed it. But people loved it.
You know it made me. It made me feel like
I was back home again, you know, damning and enjoying,

(38:06):
enjoying the lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Did it feel like people remembered you, like like they
like you never left?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah? Yeah, people remembered us at that point, like, dude,
I don't think you were playing again. Like fuck, it's
good to have you back. And you know, we always
had that, always had that interaction, and you know it
was awesome. It was awesome. But again you life looks
over again. So we we ended up, uh ended up
in a car accent wolf and I, oh, you know
we were you know, we weren't. We weren't we were

(38:34):
we were doing stupid ship. We were being dumb sucks
and you know we we uh, we ended up in
a in a ditch. And I think at that point
everybody just like woke the fuck up, said you know what,
enough enough for We're gonna put this on hold. We're
gonna we're gonna go do We're gonna do mom and
dad thing again, we're gonna go be bothers. We're gonna
go be full time employees and ship. So after that, honestly,

(38:58):
in my opinion, I think it died and that from
that point what year was that we This was twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Thirteen, damn so the so the reunion didn't even last
that long. So ended up in the ditch. Was it
was was the was the thing that kind of just
said all right, we need to stop. So were you
guys drinking drugs? What was it? What were you guys
doing finger banging a chick and weren't concentrating what was
going on?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, it was it was it was drinking, man. You know,
it took a toll honestly, you know it. We enjoyed it.
We enjoyed each other's company, but at the same time,
other people didn't enjoy the company that we had. You
know what I mean, I'm not talking about our significant
others or our family members. It was more or less,
you know, close acquaintances. Like you know, rumors started, people

(39:45):
started saying stuff, and like, you know, you have to
see it for yourself. It was like we were It
wasn't like we were doing things that you know, we
shouldn't be doing with other people. You know, like what
I'm what I'm saying is like other band members of
other bands. And it was like, no, we never said
anything about so and so, we never did anything with
this person. We didn't get this person in trouble.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, So so
the rumor meals started kicking in, like, oh, you're hanging
out with this dude, or you're hanging out with that chick.
Did you bang this chick? Did you guys get in
a fight with this guy, just like like the normal
shit that happens, right people, people just most of it's
caused by jealousy because they're like, well, fuck, why can't
I be doing the same things that they're doing, So
fuck them, I'm gonna talk some shit, right that kind

(40:27):
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much, you know, yeah, turned into that,
But it was always there, was always there, and so
you know, we just said fuck it. You know, we're
we're we're we're done after this, and you know, we
took a break. We we didn't start up again until
I want to say, two thousand and fifteen.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, well hold on, you're skipping over, you're skipping over
a whole section there. You you you you were hauling ass.
You you were drinking, You're fucking around, and then you
ended up in a in the car. Nobody got injured.
You guys just walked away, no time, nothing.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh no, no, we we we know we were we
were laid up for six months. Wolf and I, you know,
we we were laid up. We were banged up. We
were we were we were at the lowest of our
lowest pretty.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Much broken arms, broken ribs. What am I looking at it?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, yeah, well I I busted out my knee, I
busted out my my my, uh my arm. Wolf busted
up himself pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
We we both nearly went through the windshield at that point.
Uh yeah. So you know, we just said, you know this,
and we're done with this ship. You know, we're we're
taking a break. We're we gotta we gotta think about ourselves,
about our lives, you know. But at the same time,
you know, Wolf and I still kept in contact, we're
still tight as ever. But you know, at that point,

(41:49):
it was like, holy fuck. You know, we could have
we could have died, you know, yeah, we could have.
We could have We wouldn't be here right now. I
wouldn't be having the fun. I wouldn't be you know,
having these quessions with you know, people that I've met
and you know. So, yeah, we were laid up for
almost six months.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Were you guys coming back from a show or going
to a show or just no, we were we were.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
We were just you know, fucking around, hanging out with
the with with certain people, and and we had to
be at work that next morning and we uh, you know,
we drove off or I drove off and next thing,
you know, we ended up in a dick. Yeah, it
was pretty bad, you know, and like I said, you know,
we we just said fuck it. You know, we're we're done,

(42:31):
you know, we're we gotta.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, yeah, the fuck happened?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Hello, Yo, dude, I have no idea what the fuck happened?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I don't know. I don't know either.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
You're talking and it cut out, and I was like,
what the fuck did I'll my power go off? What
the hell happened?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Uh? Where did I Where did I leave off? That?

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Ship?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
You guys were you guys were basically you got an
accident and you guys are just trying to figure out,
like what the fuck you're gonna do next, because the drinking,
the drinking was just not working for you guys, and
you guys need to focus on mommy and daddy time.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, so, you know, we we did that. You know,
we took a break and everybody else did their own thing.
And you know, Matt, Matt was doing trying to find
his his niche too and working, and uh, Peter, Peter
of course was just you know, just as lost as
we were. And you know, we just kind of said, bucket,

(44:20):
let's just let's put this on on, you know, put
this away and never never, never go back to it.
But you know, never say never. After that, Let's keep
let's try and do this shit again. Let's see what happens.
And you know, we started playing again. We started to
just it was just jamming at this point. It was
just playing with our you know, with each other, you know,

(44:42):
jamming with each other. No, this is twenty twenty fifteen. Actually,
you know, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, you know, thirteen was all recovery.
You know, everything was just recovery. It was just you know,
taking care of ourselves, taking care of you know, our
our mindset, our our mental health, our physical health, and

(45:05):
you know it's just you know, it was basically just
Buff and I, you know, we we you know, we
started talking and you know, kind of reflecting on what
the hell happened, and you know, we just said, you know,
let's let's just take care of one another. You know,
by we we almost died together. Let's let's take care
of one another. And you know, we just did that.

(45:27):
We started talking. We talked to the guys, talk to
the rest of the group, and you know, some of
us weren't as optimistic as as we were with each other.
You know, they were like, you know, you guys almost
guys couldn't be here. You know, you guys pretty much
almost died because of because of the drinking and ship.
So you know, they they wanted to quit that they

(45:48):
want they didn't want to be labeled as that. They
don't want to be that that post style for for alcohol.
And I said, bucket me neither. I don't want to
do that ship either. So you know, some of us
just you know, took a took a step back and
you know said, you know, yeah, I'll play, but I'm
not play for good. You know, I'm not going to
do this. You know, professionally or anything like that anymore.

(46:11):
I said, that's fine. We know, we just we'll just
keep playing. So from like like I said, twenty thirteen,
it was all recovery. Fourteen was kind of just getting
back on our feet, you know, working taking care of
our families. And then fifteen is when we started playing again,
you know, trying of trying to regroup and trying to

(46:32):
think of the music that we had created. You know,
it was just like I said, it was a focalo
seen each other. The same thing with sixteen, twenty sixteen,
seventeen was all just you know, playing playing amongst our
amongst ourselves. And then I think around eighteen or nineteen

(46:52):
we we tried to come back again. We just played
maybe like one or two shows and that was about it.
But again and we kept to ourselves, kept playing music
with each other, and then we played. We came back
again in twenty twenty two. You know, I know, I'm
skipping a couple of years here, but like I said,

(47:13):
it was just progressive. It was just all uh practice
track practice there at that point, right. And then we
played an opening gig for a band called Insight Uh
from Cavalia's son's band Rickey Cavallea. So they played gallup
and wait, what's the band called Insight?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
How do you spell it?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Uh? I N C I T.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
That sounds almost exactly like inside, you remember, do you
know the next that never been inside?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
What's what's that dude's name? Yeah, the singer of Insidu
Montero Montero, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That motherfucker can sing, dude.
That dude can sing fuck for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
So anyway, yeah, yeah, okay, So you so getting back
on track, gohoad.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh but yeah, like I was saying, you know, we
we played that gig and then after that, you know,
we just said, you know, let's let's keep going. So
two thousand and twenty twenty three, you know, from that
show on, from two thousand, twenty two and twenty three,
we just practiced. It was just all practice. You know.
We got uh Mark involved, you know, our drummer at

(48:28):
the time. You know, he's still doing his thing. So
you know, we said, let's let's try this. Let's try
somebody else. Who's the who's the available, and not only that,
but who's dedicated, who's really going to hit it full throttle?
You know, I was talking with Mark. One funny thing,
we went to a show in Farmington. We went to

(48:50):
go see our boys in a Signal ninety nine. They
played at a Three Rivers Three Rivers Brewery and Mark
was there and you know, I was like, hey, how's
it going. You know. We gave each other hugs and
we're just talking bullshitting and I told him, I was like, hey,
what are you doing after the show? He goes, oh,
probably nothing, I'm gonna go home. I was like, do
you want to go grab a bite? And you want
to you know, hit chat for a bit. You know,

(49:13):
we just we just started talking, you know, talking about
the scene back then, talking about how we all used
to hang out and all the shows we did. You know,
it's reminiscing about all the all the good time shit.
So uh, the opportunity presented itself once again to play
Farmington at Four Corners Metal Fest Four Corners Metal Fest

(49:33):
twenty twenty three, and you know, I said, yeah, we're down,
let's do it. And our drummer at the time, like
I said, you know, doing his own thing. I said,
I need to we need to find somebody to play
the show. And in all honesty, if if this show
was going to go down and we all played it.
That was going to be it for me. Honestly, that

(49:54):
was just going to be wanting done, Like it's just
going to be the the the culmination of everything that
we did, and this was just gonna be one off
for me, and then that's that was going to be it,
Like bucket, I mean, I'm gonna practice my ass off,
go out with a bang, and yeah, we're gonna have
a good time. And uh, our guitar player Wolf, his

(50:15):
brother was like this, then you guys are gonna do that,
you know, Dalton shirts while you're at it, Delson memorabilia
while you're at it. So we said, fuck it. We
bought a we bought a bunch of shirts and you know,
he helped, he helped make T shirts that we have now.
So you know, we we we took those out there
and we played the show and I honestly didn't think

(50:36):
we're gonna get some reaction we did. I thought it
was going to be one of those shows where people
were like, you know, hey, yeah, you know, good good music,
good times. But to have the to have the reaction,
the reciprocation that we had, it was just like what
the hell, you know it was. It was like it
was like people hearing us for the first time, you know,
people like, holy shit, you guys fucking kicked ass, Like,

(50:57):
holy shit, you You're drumming was awesome, You're your vocals
were awesome, Guitar playing was fucking awesome. He's a whole band,
which crazy, And from there it took off again. You know,
oh you guys, you guys kicked ass. You guys want
to play dull state. I had a band drop off, like.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Every time I try to get out of it, they
pulled me.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Back in no fucking shit. So that came about and
I just started a new job.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Too, and I was like, oh, the dilemma.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah. I told my boss about it and she was
like oh and she was like, yeah, if it's if,
it's gonna be a if it's not gonna interferior to work.
And I'm like, yeash, I shouldn't as long as I
get my ship covered and I should be fine. But
that's another story. So, you know, weekends were fine. You know,
I was able to play these weekend shows and you know,

(51:54):
go balls out with the guys fucking rocket and then again,
you know, oh, you guys, fucking kick Dash. Are you
guys available to play in Uh? So in Farmington? Are
are you available to play? Gallup? Are you available to
play Albertuerque? And I'm like, let me ask everybody. So
everybody was like, uh sure, you know, let's do it.
So after that show in Farmington, I don't know if

(52:18):
you realize it, but we've had a show every single
month for the past year. Since June of twenty twenty three,
we've had a show every single month and I think
some months we had two shows a month.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
That's cool, bro, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, So we've been hitting it pretty hard. And at
that point, you know, there they haven't been a conversation
of like who's who's in it or who's not? You know.
So we all sat down, we all had a meeting,
we all we all just you know, put our heads
together and said, you know, look at look at it
this way. You know, we we played these shows, we played,

(52:54):
we played you know with these bands. We're we're cooking
with these bands. And you know, we really buddied up
a fan from Albert called Project BC and those guys
are fucking insane. Those guys are awesome.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Is Project BC?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah? A girl singer. Yeah, Yeah, Katie, he's really awesome.
He's actually been a really good uh. Uh. I don't
want to say third member. I guess you would say,
uh of the sixth Uh the sick unmasked character of
try this. I guess because they've been they've been really

(53:31):
helpful with uh, with booking, booking us and you know,
getting us in the right direction. Like I said, ever
since we had this conversation between us, all of us
just said, you know, we're going in it balls out.
We're gonna fucking enjoy ourselves. We're gonna, we're gonna do
this right. We're gonna. We're gonna.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
And you're talking about when you guys had this, when
you guys had this meeting before you went and did
the Four Corners Metal Fest, no fact, but what but
when when you went to do the Four Cornos Metal Fest.
I'm kind of curious about this. This. I believe a
lot in the mental state, right, the mental state dictates
what we do. If I'm feeling like shit when I

(54:10):
wake up this morning and I'm walking through the restroom
and I snubbed my toe, that kind of there's days
when that shit, says the president for the whole fucking
day or I'm just a torontosaurs rex all fucking day
long because I stubbed my toe on the way to
go take a piss, Right, So when you go, and
when you go, it seems like you guys went into
this particular show with the mentality of we're dying tomorrow,

(54:36):
so today, let's fucking stick or dick in the wind.
And it seems like that is something that you guys needed.
Was that was that moment of fuck it, let's this
is it, it's do or die this show. And for
some reason, it sounds like you guys played your asses
off and you guys just had fun and the electricity
was in the air and people felt it. And now
and now it kind of ricocheted through time where you're

(54:59):
you're getting more or more gigs and you you see
it sounds like you guys are are maturing, have matured
a lot as a band, and now you're coming to
this point where you're where you're actually having meetings and
you're saying, hey, look, here's what we're gonna do. What
do you guys think, Let's let's talk about this, and
it seems like it's working out. Do you feel like
you're getting into a groove. Do you feel like there's
a groove finally.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
There's Yeah, Honestly, there's a there's a big gift and
the mentality of everybody right now, especially with the Curly Boys,
ever since we got them on. You know, I really
give them full credit for kind of kicking our kicking
our ass, to be honest, you know, getting ourselves into
you know, that mode of like, you know, let's do this,

(55:41):
let's try this, and it's been really helpful. And you know,
I can't thank those guys enough. And to be honest,
I think they've saved their lives, you know, to the
fullest extent, because you know, we we really didn't really
give it. Damn we played, but now it's like we
we don't give it then, but we fucking give respect

(56:03):
to the music that we that we created. You know,
we give respect to the band around us.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
That's a bad way to put it.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And you know, we uh, you know, we really, we
really humble ourselves after every single gig because you know,
we we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the music.
To be honest, you know, we really wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for the the five guys that had
the same mindset, the same uh you know, integrity of

(56:33):
of uh you know, the music and just enjoying each other,
enjoying ourselves fucking rocking it. And like you said, you know,
it's a mature, mature way of looking at it. And
you know, like like I said, you know, we sit down,
we have coffee, we'll we'll bullshit with one another, and
when we're playing, well, we'll enjoy each other's company. We'll

(56:54):
just talk about live, we'll talk about our kids, we'll
talk about work. But at the same time, it's like, oh, well,
let's get back to work, let's get back down the business.
We'll fucking fist it up at at our rehearsal place.
And and you know, thankfully the music speaks volumes because
now we're we're recording our first ever full professional et

(57:15):
or album. I guess you would say due we'll talk
about and it's going to be coming out hopefully by
I don't want to say September, but latest by September,
maybe October. But we got we got songs pretty much
in full production right now. It just comes down to

(57:37):
me doing my part, you know, going to going to
the place laying down my vocals, which I'm actually gonna
do tonight, and then uh just you know, getting it mixed,
getting it ready, and they should be out hopefully by
like I said at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
All right, so let's talk about some fucking music now,
because this is what I want to get to right here.
So there's there's a few there's a few things I
want to talk about, hild and I'm right now and
stuff I'm right now. Want to talk up music album?
Hold on all right, before we get into the album,
I do want to I was writing now a couple

(58:13):
of questions as we're going through this, because the You've
given me a whole timeline, which I really appreciate. So
I just want to go all the way back to
the beginning. He real quick, we canna take it back.
You were talking about Rippy? How did how did Rippy?
Because you said that when Rippy came to the band,
it it fired you guys up the So these ones

(58:35):
are these ones are are more like uh uh, try
to keep these ones tightened and short because I really
want to get to the music and get into the music.
Is the meat potatoes or what I what I wanted
to I want to do here. But how did Rippy
fire you guys up? How did he bring you guys
together and get you guys going.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
So Rippy we were eighteen eighteen, Between seventeen and nineteen,
let's put it that way. Between that age we were
just bossed me. We were, like I said, we were
just ready to come out and ready to fucking you know,
still the world we were about. But Rippy was Ricky

(59:11):
brought up the the what do you call it? I
guess the professional side of it, the touring side of it,
the performing side of it.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Because he had he had just gotten out of the
Marine Corps, right.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, he was, Yeah, he was in the Marines. Was uh,
he was in a band while he was in the marine.
So he knew the lingo, he knew the he knew
the he knew how to walk the walk and talk
to the dock when it comes to when it came
to performing live, and not only that, just you know,
getting us uh you know, a book at these shows

(59:44):
that were were getting on, like in Albuquerque and you
know down South, Lost Housta and everything.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Because so he was the catalyst of getting you guys,
getting you guys into into your foot in the door
into these places. Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, And like I said, you know, he he had
the connections because he had the luxury of of uh
you know, leaving leaving gallop. Well, we were still stuck
here doing work and taking care of our family.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know whoa ho hold on, hold on, hold on
as a as a prior service guy. I I hear
people say, oh, well, you had it easy, you got
to leave to the military. I'm not saying you're being disrespectful,
but it's it's it's the words that kind of irk
me when people say stuff like that. I have a buddy,
for example, I have a buddy who says, well, I
had to stay here and take care of my family,
and we all have the choice, and and going into

(01:00:31):
the military is a hard choice. I wouldn't. I was
Army Infantry, he was Marine Corps. So I just want
anybody who's listening, it's not a luxury going into the military,
especially especially when you're a man. Uh, It's it's it's
a hard, hard life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
So I get that. Yeah, So I mean that didn't
mean no disrespect, No, I got it for your service,
by the way. And what I meant was he was
he didn't know he was out of the military. Uh,
he was going to school, and you know, he was
I don't want to say he was single. You know,
I'm pretty sure he has had a he had a

(01:01:07):
family of his own at the time. But you know,
we had families, but we didn't have the the Uh
I don't want to say I don't want to say
luxury either, but we didn't have like the the money
to pay for, you know, going out of town. Our
idea of going out of town was like albut Turkey
or or two like you know, Arlington, or like fucking
se Meeks and ship. Yeah. So with us, you know,

(01:01:29):
it's just like kind of keeping it local. But he
he brought his to rides and went further out. And
you know some of these bands that he was mentioning,
I did. I did meet some of them while I
was in college in Las Crustas, So you know, while
I was out there, you know, I recognized some of
the names, and I'm like, but I never actually saw
them because you know, the places that we're playing at
they were twenty one and over and I was just

(01:01:51):
in college nineteen twenty and uh. You know, so we
we we linked up with him and he talked a lot.
I was like, dude, jump on base. You know, let's
let's do this, let's let's let's have fun. And you know,
from there it just took off. Like I said, he
brought out that that touring side of us or that
performing side of us, and you know, along with it,

(01:02:12):
you know, the music kind of spoke for itself, and
it drove each of us to perform the way we did.
You know, the the interaction with the crowd and and
you know, hyping each other up right, So you know,
giving giving Rippy his credit, you know, he brought out,
He brought up the best of us in a way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And then and then what did why did Y leave?
Why did he leave? Travis?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
He he and his brother were starting a band, Think
of Blood too. They started playing that, and you know
he wanted to do that full time, and you know,
they were they were playing shows. And I think another
thing was because they were playing shows out out of
state or out of town, and we were still stuck
at home. You know, we were barely getting off our feet.

(01:02:57):
We we didn't have reliable transportation on our end too.
We were still we were still trying to get off
of Mom and Dad pedestals too, trying to start our
own lives, but we didn't have vehicles at that point,
so you know, we we were kind of, I don't
want to say we were holding him back, but you know,
he was uh, you know, he was starting up with
his dand Sacred Blood at the time, and they were

(01:03:20):
they were ready to play, you know, all these out
of town shows. But we had we were we were
still stuck at home and trying to trying to get ourselves,
trying to get our families off off the ground team, right,
So I think that was that was the reason why
a lot of the reasons why YE wanted to do that.
And we didn't hold a greds against him, and he

(01:03:41):
never held the Dreads against Dreads against us. And we
went to the Westons. You know, we're still good friends today, Yeah,
hang out and but you know, he really helped out
a lot in the beginning. And after that, you know,
once we got Moses on board and we kind of
we just kind of, you know, took him out under

(01:04:03):
our wing and said, you know, this is how it's
gonna work, what we're gonna do, and sure enough, it
just he picked up right away, and so people off
them into his own band now. So that's that's where
it all took place. It really took off one he
showed us the rope kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
What did it feel like when you were feeling like
you were blowing up. I'm pretty sure there's a phase
there where you were looking at each other and you
all felt like this feeling of like holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah, like it's it's getting real, you know, like holy
shit getting ill. I think the moment when it became
real is when when we were playing Farmington shows and
we were getting we were getting attention from the local
promoters like like, what's his name, Uh, mister Brian Brian
Johnson from NBA Entertainment. He was He was a big

(01:04:53):
help too. You know. It was like, holy shit, you
guys kicked off and once you're playing on this gig.
And then Randy from Bad the same money, He's like, dude,
you guys need to open up for this band. I
got so and so coming. Are you guys available? Fucky,
we're available. You got to sell this many tickets, you
got to you got to put in this much work
and effort. I'm like, fuck yeah, we're down to do that.
If we would, we would you know, we would sell tickets,

(01:05:16):
we would fire the ship out of it in town
or put post it on the internet. You know, this
was when my Space was taken over and social media
started up. So we were we were doing we were
doing all that, you know, the hard work involved and
all that, you know, trying to keep it uh keep it,
you know, keep it local and everything with the with

(01:05:37):
the flyers, you know, going going national with the with
the internet, social media posting on that and not only that,
word of mouth, like holy shid see that then, And
you know, they opened up for Exodus, so they opened
up for a mushroom head. They opened up for Wayne Statics,
they opened up for you know, the list, the list

(01:05:58):
goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
There's a lot of that have opened up for for
major bands. And you even did, like you guys did,
what advice if somebody was listening right now, if they
made it this far into into this, into this conversation,
because people nowadays don't have an Attentions band, but fucking
if they made it this far and and they're they
love listening and finding out about the artists and stuff,

(01:06:19):
right like I do. I fucking love this kind of ship.
And let's say you're you're there's somebody out there and
they have a band of starting it up or the
brand new tu ite or whatever, or even just thinking
about getting into it. And and what's what's a what's
a piece of advice you would give to them, like, uh,
you know, pissing your cheerios, I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Would say, honestly, I would say, enjoy it. But take
care of yourself, you know, humble yourself every single time
you play. You know, it's you know, the one show
that you're going to play and look forward to to
your life. Literally. You know, there were times where we were,
you know, oh fuck that, we're going to play the
show and next thing you know, it will blowout, or

(01:07:00):
oh I can't do it because my my my grandparents
passed away, or uh, you know, my child's thick or
something like that. But humble yourself every single time the
player show because you never know, man, it could be
your fucking last show to play. And I don't mean
that in the sense of like you passing away, are
you dying? But you know that that lifestyle is really really,

(01:07:23):
really hard, hard life, you know, but at the same
time it's fucking awesome. You know. To take care of
yourself and take care of your your family and take
care of the ones around you. You know. It's it's
it's a really awesome lifestyle, awesome you know, and enjoy
it and really enjoy it. I see a lot of
new bands up and coming and they're they're they're fucking amazing.

(01:07:44):
You know. For example, there's one band that's local here,
all Forbidden Witchery, a bunch of kids, but they fuck
falk out, they're killing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
It, Bidden Witchery right in this shit. It's a lot
of bands I keep coming across and I'm like, fuck,
but you know what, the fucking one of the points
of doing native entertainment is I'm sick and tired of
navigating the goddamn huge universe that's the Internet and trying
to find people's music.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
So real quick, dude, we could we could going back,
going back into the conversation of like we didn't give
a shit, you know, we would we would hand out
these demos, We would hand out these CDs like candy,
you know, if people were buying it, like for five bucks,
to hand them to the promoters would hand them to

(01:08:40):
the other bands. And you know, we we never really
thought about saving on a hard drive or anything like
that at that point, and I asked Peter about it
because he had he had all the he had all
the equipment, and he was like, dude, my fucking Competer
took the ship and that was the only computer that
had all our stuff on it. And I'm like, fuck, so,

(01:09:01):
you know, we we would we would have all these
these uh these songs back up, and you know, even
our CDs that we had. Personally we're all fucking strapped
for you know, broken in the wind and shit like that.
And I'm like, fucking a man. You know, now we're
looking back on and we better care of that that stuff.
But you know, like like you said, it's it's really

(01:09:23):
hard to dig up when you're gonna try and find
music to share. Because right now with where we're at,
like promoters are asking give me a song to play
on the radio, play with the promoter back, and I'm doing,
get me a headshot, get me a band photo. I'm like, dude,
you don't have all that shit. So we're working hard
right now to get all that ship. We're taking care

(01:09:44):
of the media side of it. You know, we're, like
I said, we're getting we're getting the band photo together.
We're getting our music reported. But like you said, it's
really hard to find all this ship when it's when
it's like get Delves, Reul, fucking keep dark Web, basically
to find a fucking song.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Yep. That's a great segue. Let's talk about your new album,
new EP, new demo. Tell me what what is it?
What is there an album named? You got album art?
What's going on? Because I know you said you haven't.
You haven't done the vocals yet, so you're still working
on the vocals. But you have to have some kind
of name for for something, right, you get some names.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
In the platform. We we honestly, you haven't really discussed
that with the band, and you know it's not like honestly,
we haven't named it yet. I have to talk to them.
I don't want to go on I don't want to
go on record right now and saying that we have
a title for it. But you know we're gonna talk
about that for sure. But you know it's right now,

(01:10:42):
the way it's looking, I think it's gonna be a
five song et. M hm. We got tracks on their
Bulletproof Attitude, We got leading out, got uh Sellout, you
have Verdigo and then we have damn. So those are

(01:11:02):
the songs that we have lined up right now, and
we're uh, we're done with too right now. I believe,
like I said, it's just vocals. We have the other
three that we need to record, guitars and books, but
I want to say after maybe July it'll be done.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
So you have two songs done. You have two songs
done right now, vocals everything he's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Done with the yeah, with the band's vocals that need
to be done. Those are the two songs that are
gonna work on tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Okay, And so from one vocalist to another, how do
you train your vocals? Because let's take take back on
this real quick, because this is real important for for
anybody out there who who's interested in being your vocalists.
You can blow your your throat out easily. I've done
it plenty of times when I've just been like sometimes
I get the hair up my ass, I'm like, oh

(01:11:51):
fuck yah, and I fired my machines and ship and
I'm going over here. And it doesn't matter if I'm
like trying to sing fucking some melodic thing or some
guttural thing, or just do some rappers sing some country
because I'm a studio artist. I do all kind of
fucking nonsensical shit. My wife's always like, what the fuck
goes through your mind? I'm like, I don't know, it's
a cartoon up there, but I've I've blown up my
voice before because you know, you get in there and

(01:12:13):
you're like, oh, I want to make a fucking death
metal song that sounds like duss and you always think
you have some fucking great ass music in your head.
You get drunk and you make it. Then you listen
to it later and you're like, fuck, that was terrible
and my voice is fucked for the next three days. Right,
So how do you keep how do you keep your
voice from blowing out, especially with the kind of vocals
you do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Okay, So what I now is I drink a lot
of water. Honestly, it's a lot of water. I try
not to drink so much, you know, it's I have
to drink a whole lot when it comes to performing live,
because it does kind of kind of overcoat it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Not only that, are you are you a little bit
further away from the phone, You sound like you kind
of got a little bit muffled. Oh no, I'm here, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
All right, but yeah, it's it takes a lot of water. Honestly,
it's it's water. It's the water with a mixture of
like hot tea or even coffee. I don't really uh
do a lot of I don't smoke. I don't smoke
at all, honestly. So but lately it's just trying to
recondition my my my syntique. I guess you would say

(01:13:21):
I'm trying to exercise more. Uh ever since no, I'm
just trying to take care of myself, you know, physically, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Oh you're physique, you're physique, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, my physical well being because
I did gain a lot of weight because of COVID. Mhm,
goddamn COVID, but you know, fucking COVID hit and really, honestly,
I think it sucked up my throat a little bit,
so I don't I don't really hold hold a whole
lot of notes like I used to pay before. But

(01:13:50):
I mean it's bitten there. So right now it's just
trying to recondition and you know, take care of my
my physical health and trying to lose some weight. So
it doesn't trick me so much because right now it's
just a lot of water, a lot of like I said,
hot tea or hot coffee. I don't drink any alcohol

(01:14:13):
when it comes to like you know, the recording process.
But when it's live, you know, I'll take a shot
or two and you know, enjoy the enjoy the atmosphere.
But realistically, I don't drink a whole lot when it's
when it comes to recording. And then right now, like
I said, it's just a lot of water, you know,
a lot of a lot of fluids, because honestly, when
you're up there singing live on stage, you have either

(01:14:36):
five people in front of you or a hundred people
in front of you. Either way, you're nervous, fuck, you know.
And so when you're nervous and you're singing, you know,
you tend to you tend to perst rate a lot,
you tend to split a lot. So's always a lot
of water, you know, hydrate yourself. And and then not
only that, because you know you could you could blow

(01:14:58):
your blow your voice, oy ie. You don't drink a
whole lot out of water. So uh, and then of
course just singing, you know, you know, just singing songs.
You know, me personally, I like to sing a lot
of country songs. So when I'm at home or when
I'm on my road on the road, I don't sing
a whole lot of metal songs because you know, that's
what I'm so used to, but just to get my

(01:15:20):
throat opened up in my airways a lot of like
country music.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
I think that's some weird shit, like I I've I've
I've made a lot of like hip hop ship in
the past, like with so Mike my I'm doing air quote.
My group good Er Kind actually started out as a group.
It was me and two other guys, right, and we
started out as good or Kind yea. And over the year,
I've always been a metal head, but like hip hop
was just fun and easy to do, especially when you

(01:15:45):
don't have instruments and everybody's you know, all over the place,
and it's it's funny because I've made so much hip
hop rap over the years that like even now, like uh,
people are like, how do you can you make You're
you're wrapping this fucking crazy ship, but you're are You're
rapping all this stuff, but you're listening to this crazy

(01:16:06):
ship over here, like the fuck's going on here? And
but but I think people who don't make music, they
don't get it. You do. You you're making so much
of one thing. It feels good to just kind of
switch lanes a little bit, right. Yeah, so you're singing country,
and yeah, I want to hear you sing country, bro,

(01:16:30):
come on give me so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
You know, it's what I grew up on, you know, yeah,
by my mom, my grandparents, my you know, my uncles
and everybody around here always had country music playing, and
and I've always I've always felt, you know, a connection
with it. And not only that, so Dan, you know,
in general, like when I was when I was younger,
you know, Hank Williams of course, Whalen Jenny and Willie

(01:16:56):
Nelson are always on the are always on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
No fuck yeah, you're doing some work around, you're doing
some work around the house, and somebody's got the truck
doors open because so you can hear all the music.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you got some Merle Thomas Connelly playing. Yeah,
you know, we got some George Straight playing. You know,
it was, it was, it was, you know, it was
a great time to be a kid, you know, listening
to music like that, and you know, growing up, you know,
you wanted to find your own identity. And then of course,
you know, naturally it was metal, yeah, but you know

(01:17:26):
it was My first love was always country music. So
when I hear it, I remember those those early days,
and I would sing along with it. So on road
trips all all things to myself, or you know, I'll
I'll sing out loud at home, or you know when
when I'm with my family and you know, we're all
riding in the car going to Albuquerque, Phoenix or even Vegas,

(01:17:49):
and I'll start singing some country songs and that's where
it all come up. But yeah, I mean, that's that's
that's one thing that really keeps my chops up too,
is like singing, singing country music and it and then
of course, you know, every now and then, I'll I'll
dig into some some uh some Pantera, Golfly, some some
cold Chamber Double Driver, some some Static X and music

(01:18:13):
like that. But you know, I don't really sing a
whole lot of that because I'm doing it every single
time m hm, you know, with a band, so you know,
to keep myself, you know, keep my my my my
voice blocks up singing country music. So if anybody's you know,
looking to to keep their voice up listening to music

(01:18:33):
that you don't normally listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Right, I mean that that's a big thing, especially for
like expanding your like the the the idea of what
you could make right listening to I love orchestra music,
like like like like even the music I make is
like a lot of it is just oddball music. And
if you get a native entertainment, you'll find a bunch
of my shit under there under good kind of mystic angel.
I also have an alias called Rowdy Banali that I

(01:18:57):
made a country album for back in like twenty ten.
And the only reason I made that was because my
Rowdy Banali was like this, I had this idea for
this punk rock band, and I was gonna, uh, I
wanted to do this, Like it was just like these
weird ideas you have, right, And so my mom was
always telling me, like, son, why do you sing that
Chendi music? It sounds ugly? Why didn't you I just

(01:19:20):
love when you sing when you sing country music, Oh,
it sounds so beautiful and so and so I was like, man,
I was like, you know what, my Mom's not gonna
be on this planet forever. And so I was like fuck, it,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make some music. But
I was kind of at the time, I was like
kind of like nobody was doing. Like nowadays, everybody's pumping

(01:19:41):
out of fucking a country gam or whatever, right, jelly
roll everybody. So it's normal now it's normal for people
to be switching lanes between rock, hip hop, pop, punk,
all this other stuff. But back in twenty ten, people
were like, what the fuck pick a lane, right, And
I've always been like fuck a lame driving all over
the place. So like just singing country music was like

(01:20:02):
really really fun. But like the like even like with
some of my metal, I mixed Poti drums into it,
right and put some put some strings and ship behind
it it. And I get that because of listening to
different forms of music, like you like listening in the
country jam in on country, it's like people think it's
weird for like for somebody who's making one form of

(01:20:24):
music to be jamming on shouldn't you just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Keep it real?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
N No, I won't keep it real. That was boring.
So who who's your favorite? Do you have any favorite?
Like not even favorite, but who's the most influential, Like
res bands. I'm not even just talking about res metal
or anything, but just like res native bands who influenced

(01:20:50):
you the most, because any day of the week, any
one of us who are native can we We're always
naming all these You just rattle off a few of
them non native influences, right, But I'm always curious about
Native influences, like people we listened to. So what res bands?
What Native bands influenced you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
If any I'm gonna go back to way back like
when we started dying, Tribe was one of them. Dyne
Tribe was one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Are they still around to?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
That was that? Yeah, they're still around there, They're they're
still playing shows out in the valley out in Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
They played the show recently out there out in Phoenix
as well, and then they played they played a couple
of shows in black Staff too. But yeah, they're still around.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I've always loved their name, Dyne Tribe. When you have
a when you have a badass, catchy name, it just
says everything, like Narbona. Narbona is a badass name. Sarbona
is one of my favorite characters from Navaju history, and
I have all kind of like I have a I
have a cartoon character named him. He's a he's a
cyborg and he goes out killing people. I even made

(01:22:05):
a shirt that says Narbonus Revenge. That was even creating
a video game where where he goes at and all
he's doing is going up murdering and stuff. Was a
bloody adventure. But you have a badass name, and people
will remember that ship Tribus two syllables, easy to say,
easy to remember, trivius. What's that tribus called tribus tribus?

(01:22:25):
And that one Dying trip man? Who else you got?
I think you said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Generation uh was one? And then of course the Horny Toad.
Oh yeah, so we yeah, we played with all three
of them, and you know that those were our main
influence right there, Dying Tribe, b D T and horn Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Let's talk about Horney Todes real quick. Fuck they don't
exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Right, No, no, they don't. You know their their their singer,
late singer Missus Jerrold was was, you know, he he
passed away years ago, and you know, we we remember him,
and you know, we just we enjoyed, we enjoyed the
stay with those guys, and we played with them actually

(01:23:20):
with our our second gig when we started playing again
was the out UH Ship Rocks when we played with
them the first fucking time, and that was that ship
was awesome. We played with them out there, and then
after that we played with him in UH in Bienta,
and then from there we played with him in Phoenix
and we played with in the Gallops and you know,
we just we just really quick with those guys, you know,

(01:23:42):
with them and H. E. D. T. You know, we
we really shared a lot of common ground when it
came to came to the reservation. So you know, we
we we really really uh learned learned a lot from
those guys. And even Mark, you know, he used to
play with UH with Horny Toads for a while there,

(01:24:03):
and you know he really really picked up off of them.
And you know, we talk about them too, you know, like, dude,
we missed, We miss those guys, and you know they
miss playing, you know, playing with them and hearing their
their music. So every now and then we'll go on
YouTube and even them. You know, it's kind of hard
to find some of their songs, but you know, I
think they have a their their full their full album

(01:24:23):
on YouTube right now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I've been trying to find somebody from Horny so tell
me back up. Horny Toads. I did not know. I've
been wondering, like, why the fuck don't they perform anymore?
And now I know the lead singer passed away. I
did not know that. I here, here's the problem with

(01:24:46):
with why we why we always name somebody who's no
Native as an influence because we we don't get to
see them all that often. There's really no there's really
no venue out there for for let's let's just talk
about metal, the metal little stuff, the harder hardcore stuff, right,
you can go to any native channel out there or
whatever else. Most of them are just focused on like

(01:25:08):
the hip hop or pow wow esque type of stuff
or whatever. All that shit, right, all the native bonnal bullshit.
You know, just this is the same old fucking stuff,
same old shit has been rehashed for the last fucking
couple decades, and shit, it's just really to me, it's
just boring to me. I get really bored of all
that shit, and I would love to be able to

(01:25:29):
go and find these obscure, rare bands. Horny Toads is
one of them. I've been trying over the years to
try to fucking connect with somebody, and even just recently
in relaunching stuff, trying to get a hold of like
somebody from Horny Toads. Because here's here's my thing. I uh,

(01:25:50):
I saw these guys here in Farmington and just the
name talking about names, names, bring you in, right, Horny Toads.
I was like, motherfucker, I gotta see that that band.
I don't know what the fuck that's all about, but
I got to see that ship. That's just sounds ridiculous, right,
And if it sounds sideways ridiculous, I'm gonna go, that's
that's me. I think. I think ac DC said it,

(01:26:12):
or remember who if you're a friend of evil, you're
a friend of mine. And I've always loved shit like
that stuff that's a little bit of like chantyish, you know,
and and Horny Toads doesn't sound chantyish, but I know
that in in then and now Horny Toad's you know,
our grandfather Jay and all that stuff, right, So what
the fuck is going on here that they're taking this
sacred thing and I'm gonna go check this out. To me,

(01:26:33):
it just sounded like something that was taboo, right, and
I went to go see them at the uh here
in Farmington at the Tota and uh is it? Tota
doesn't call? I've been there in a while. Anyway, I
saw I'm here in town and I was like, these
motherfucker's are badass. You know what it reminded me of.
It reminded me of It's it's Have you ever heard

(01:26:57):
of a band called Stormtroopers of death S O D?

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
S O D has always been one of my my
all time go tos. Like, you know, sometimes I feel
like I'm in a hardcore mood, but I don't really
feel like listening to somebody grumble along like cookie Cook Cook,
and you know, I just don't want to hear somebody's words,
like especially when you're working outside or some shit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
I can't work the hip hop, I can't work the rap.
That's just too much shit going on, right. I need something.
I need to listen to, something like Bolt Thrower or
something that's kind of like it's got a steady beat,
there's some growling, there's some stuff. Horny Toads was one
of those bands where I was like, fuck, yeah, I
want I want to buy this, and I've never been
able to buy their album. I remember going up when
when they were done and I went over to go

(01:27:41):
buy some music. They didn't have any shirts and have
any CDs and have jack shit, And I was like,
what the fuck is going on here? And it was
just it was just it was just a missed opportunity.
And I was like, fuck, these guys are so badass.
But I but I remember the way they sounded, and
I just thought, these guys are reminiscent to me of

(01:28:02):
of a band who's got all of it, a band
that could be top bill across the country, torn the planet. Yeah,
And I was like fuck and and this is this
is gonna sound fucked up. But I have no disrespect
to anybody when I say this, But I in that
moment when I saw that that they had no merch
and all that stuff, and how excited I was to

(01:28:23):
see them, I thought to myself, I projected the future,
and I said, these guys are gonna end up like
every other Reds band out here. They're gonna become that
band that could have been but never was, and that
band that people remember, but they they didn't hit it
big because of either drugs or alcohol or something, and
you're and it's it's sad to say that, but that

(01:28:45):
happens to a lot of our people in music, and
it just happens a lot. I've seen too many people
over the years when I'm like, bh, that dude's gone,
what happened? Bringing Fuck goddamn drugs. Fuck god damn. That's
why this day, I can't stand fucking drugs. They do drugs,
Get the fuck away from me. I got shit to
do with drinking. That's all of our demon, you know,

(01:29:05):
that's all of our even me, fucking we all have
that demon. But so they were so influential to me
from that one time seeing them that I actually I
put out an album for my band good Kun when
I was started getting back in the metal and the
album it's more of like an EP and it's called

(01:29:28):
Reservation Overthrew, And so the songs were more s O
D inspired, Horny Toads inspired, because that sound of that
rhythmic mosh fucking just do a wall of death, that's
fucking you know that kind of thing. And yeah, you know,

(01:29:49):
I've always I'm actually sad to hear that the singer
died because I was hoping you were gonna tell me like,
oh yeah, they're fucking performing next week. Now, I don't
normally go out in public and fucking be around crowds
because I can't fucking stand people. But if these guys
were performing, I would have said, you know what, I'll
go because they sounded that bad ass to me, that

(01:30:11):
bad ass like I have songs. I have songs on
this reservation. Uh, I mean a reservation overthrow album that
I just I was trying to channel my inner horny
toad and I don't know, sorry you brought up horny
toads and it just made me think of that. And
then like, if you can go jam out two over
at native vnt dot com, I would encourage you to

(01:30:33):
because I worked. You know, I made some simple music,
but it like sometimes simple shi, it is just like
the most fun to listen to. Especially I'm trying to
make music for drinking too, make music for drinking, right,
we do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
For sure? Dang?

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
So did they did they ever put out an album?
Did they put out an album?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
They did? Yeah, they did, but like I said, I
don't have a I don't have a copy. They have one.
They have a copy on you YouTube not YouTube music
and maybe the YouTube music, but I know they have
it on YouTube YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Mmm, I'm gonna go check it out right now, what
the fucus I said?

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
But yeah, if you if you wanna, if you want
to reminisce about horns, that would definitely conversate with Mark
because he was part of that band for a while
when he was when he was young, you know, his
younger days. He was actually jamming with forming to Horny
Toads for a bit. But yeah, I mean they were,
They were really influential, and not just on me, but

(01:31:32):
everybody everybody else. I think everybody else in the band
that can relate to their music.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yeah, they had something. They fucking had something. So I'm on,
I'm online right now. There's a bunch of bands called
I don't know which one of these. Would you be
able to later, just send me a link. I'm gonna
post that ship on Native Entertainment I want to post,
or if you could just just just upload it to
Native Entertainment like because the same way, just use the

(01:32:01):
YouTube link and all that, because this is the whole
point of doing this ship so you can find ship,
so like we can like look at all right now,
I'm searching for some stuff. This is a pain and
ass doing this cool. So those were those were your
three your three big influences. Name one thing from each

(01:32:22):
band that that you that you carry with you to
this day, or or something that influenced you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Well. With with Dying tried for Spirial, was the groove,
like that rhythm, like that that heaviness, but you know,
kind of rubbed off on all of us, Peter, you
know really you know that that that rhythm and that
groove really rubbed off. And then what the energy was
it was always e DC but the energy you know

(01:32:51):
when when they was play live, I'm like, yeah, they
pour it up. They really brought it m hm. You
know like I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna
try and bring up that, bring up that energy and
myself to have that, to have that on stage, and
it really helped out. So I would bring that. But
with Morning Tod's, it was it was just the camaraderie,

(01:33:12):
you know, that that connection with everybody that was there,
not just the fans but the bands in general because
they were super friendly even to this day. You know
that if we would meet up with Charlie or meet
up with Solly, they would would be like, oh, ship,
but it was just always like hell yeah, come hang

(01:33:34):
out with us. Just that that, like I said, that
camaraderie and just that atmosphere was just like family. And
you know, we carry that with us now and even
now and like we'll meet we'll meet our we'll meet
these do bands. It's like, hey, yeah, you guys killed it.
Let's hang out. Let's bullshit for a bit. You know,
we'll hang out with some of the bands and we'll
just know, we'll talk about our early days. They'll talk about, Oh,

(01:33:57):
this is what we're doing, and like, oh, hell, holy shit,
that's awesome. You know, we even connected, like I said,
with Project BC, that was the whole that was the
whole thing of of of connecting with him. Like but yeah,
you guys killed it. And they're like, oh yeah, we
remember you guys, and you guys killed it. Back then,
you guys were guys, were guys, were the ship, you know.
But now it's like we want to record you guys.

(01:34:19):
And even Santino the guitar player, he's the one that's
helping us out with the song of the recording and
you know, really thankful.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
For them and from Project.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, uh Sentino, the guitar player, and then the singer Mercedi.
She's helping us out with our with our what do
you call it, our bookings, helping us out with what
shows the out of state or even out of town.
And you know, she's really really h doing her job
too as far as, like you know, helping out bands

(01:34:53):
in the area. And that's sus and you know, throwing
up the show in June first all the catalysts that
Adam face. So there's a lot of bands on that
and we're really thankful for that. But you know, just
hearing that atmosphere being being you know, being family with
everybody just fucking enjoying each other's company. You know, I

(01:35:14):
carry that from from the Toad because that's how they were.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
That's bad ass.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
I love I love hearing. I love hearing natives talking
cool ship about other natives because I look, I'm guilty
of talking about MoMA people a lot of times, like
on asses. And and because I look Mexican, because I'm
half Spanish and a half naval, right, So because I
look with rare Mexican people look at me sideways. And

(01:35:40):
when I I forget sometimes I forget. I forget I
look like a Mexican, big ass eyebrows look like I'm
like and then my wife will look at me sometimes
like like like with that look like So it's and
and and I I love I love being Native, dude,

(01:36:04):
I fucking love it. I love the especially being Navo.
I love that that it's it's almost like a secret
club that you're part of being Navo. And and yeah, yeah,
there's there's so many cool things. There's so many cool
inside jokes. There's so many cool Like when I was
talking about the ram earlier, you got that right, I mean,
fucking it's just there's just like even that's a simple

(01:36:25):
thing that most country boys will get, but fucking there's
there's an inner type of layer in there that that's
being Navajo. There's there's a there's a communication that that
is different than every other tribe. And I've like you've
probably been around a bunch of different tribes where you're
just like, it's not the same. Yeah, you're cool, but
it's not the same as being novel because being Navo

(01:36:45):
is like super serious everything, so super serious thoughts and
that I shouldn't be playing that and you're just inviting
the devil in the house, all that hair and your
fast as bad stuff. That's not now a ho, right,
I mean, but fucking at the same time, it's so
goddamn serious. But it's so cool because fucking you can.

(01:37:06):
You can take a lot of that stuff and hopefully
transform stuff and be able to do different things. You know,
I don't know. I don't know. There's something about it.
There's something magical and something fucked up about it being AVO,
you know, I don't know. It's a love hate relationship
for me. But hey, the before I forget this, the

(01:37:29):
you guys, Uh do you do? You have merch right now?
You have store? We don't have a mo a fucker.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
We have? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
We have I'm really fucking blown away by you. Dude.
You don't have an album. You've been out for twenty
something years. You don't have no album, you don't have
no recorded music, you don't got a fucking store. But
yet you're at the number one spot on the Native
Entertainment Billboard charts. You're at the number one fucking spot.
How the fuck are you pulling that off? Dude? How
the fuck are you doing that? Ship? What the fuck?

(01:38:05):
You're like a You're like a You're like, you don't
even exist in this, in this on this level of reality.
You're like just like you're You're like, I don't know
how to's fucking working. I don't know how you're fucking
doing it. But you, you guys have cracked the coat.
If you guys can channel that, go get yourself a
goddamn website and and put your store together. Dude, I'm
willing to help. I'm willing to fucking help, you know,

(01:38:25):
I mean, fuck uh you. If you guys can channel
that ship right there, you guys can have like all
your merch. Merch is key, bro, I want to listen
to your music. I want to look at your shirts.
I mean, people want to buy ship.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
I don't know how else to fucking to put it
out there. You gotta do it, Jesus Christ. All right, No,
no shirts shirt, You're fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
You're fucking right, man, get at together. But we do
have we do have bird tail, but we have t
shirts designed. The one has the uh the band logo
on front, the other one has the logo in front,
then they have the logo in the back. We got stickers,
we have.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
We have pat How do you sell those? Just at
your shows.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Yeah, we saw them, the stoves coming by. Pick them up. Well,
like I said, well, we'll be playing. The next gig
we'll be playing will be the first Fanta Fe okay,
and then after that we'll be playing fifteenth June fifteenth
in Farmington at Lock Street eight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
That's a cool venue, all right, So so do this,
do this well if you want so. On the videos,
let's say the one that you got there, right, I
will place your ad if you create it sideways landscape
view right, because I know everything nowadays is made up

(01:39:45):
upright for a phone, vertical for a phone, right, But
I'm still fucking there's some shit that that's good for.
And then other times you just want to click some stuff,
play it and watch it full screen, you know, like
like like an actual fucking screen supposed to look. And
if you if you make an AD, whether it's a
video ad or a just a static image AD, and

(01:40:11):
send send me. If it's a static image ad, send
me the link where people click it and they got
to go to your wherever they're buying your whatever you're selling, right,
or if you're just promoting a show and you know
the shows like next month or whatever, the fuck, you know,
and it's just an image ad, whatever image ad you had.

(01:40:32):
If there's a link, send it to me. I'll pop
it in there, and then that way people can when
they go to this particular video that you got up,
they can go to wherever you're sending them. If it's
a video, I'll put the link on it, but it'll
be at the bottom left hand corner and yellow like
if you go to any of these videos now you'll
see that. Yeah, So I encourage anybody out there if

(01:40:54):
you're listening to this, click on the links that I
got in there. It's not cheap running this shit on
its own cloud and hosting a bunch of music and
all kind of stuff, so you know, nothing's free. I
don't believe in communism. I don't believe in socialism. I'm
not fucking woke, fucking old school gen X guy. And

(01:41:15):
I believe in working hard and getting a fucking job done,
and I believe in a meritocracy that means fucking earning
your way through life. So anybody out there, hopefully I'm
I'm this, whatever the fuck I'm doing, and however long
it lasts, could be done next week. I don't fucking know.
But hopefully it's a value to whoever's listening to this,

(01:41:36):
and so let's try to get whoever's listening to this
or whoever's going to the website and a way to
get a hold of you through that ad, even if
it's just going to your Facebook page. I don't give
a shit what you're ad is. Just make it clear,
make it concise, make it simple. Just you know, people
want to click it. The attention span is like two seconds,
you know, and people can be like, oh, Bart, Bart,

(01:42:00):
that port you want to be able to click on it.
So if you need any help with that ship, just
let me know as well. I'll help you put together
whatever you need. No charge, no charge. I'm just looking.
I'm a guy who loves the music, and I'm a
guy who fucking wants to see more of this ship
out there and the music videos. Bro, since you're just

(01:42:22):
doing an EP, can you please this is just my
I'm begging you, please beg a music video for every song,
every song.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
It's funny you mentioned that. It's funny you mentioned that
because we're actually gonna link up with a guy from
Phoenix at the beginning of the month. Who's gonna talk
to us about video shoot or music video. Yes, so
we're actually gonna be working on that with him. Just uh,
these guys I'm not gonna name up just yet because
I'm not gonna you know, I don't know the re

(01:42:52):
distics of everything yet. But you know, he's really helping
us out. And you know, we're really thankful for him
because we met up with him at our show in
Phoenix was past the past week or two weeks ago,
and he's been really helpful and really, honestly, he's given
us that push that we fucking need, you know, we're
you know, he's he's he's talking about media outlets, talking

(01:43:15):
about video video shoot and getting all this shit together,
and I'm like, fuck yeah, man. I even told the
guys that I said, this guy really is really pushing
us to be better. You know, it's really he's really
gonna draw out what we're what we're capable of, and
you know, it's really it's really humbling, but at the
same time, it's fucking awesome, you know, really thankful that

(01:43:36):
he's he's uh, you know, coming out with coming at
us with arms wide open and really helping us out.
So we're looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
I just heard playing in my head when you said that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
It's funny to say that because we teach each other
about that too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Yes, please, And can you share all your music and
videos when you guys are done? I would love to
have an exclusive interview conversation with you guys. I mean,
I'm just throwing it out there. I like exclusivity. I mean,
you can have an interview with whoever to fucking up.
But I'm just saying I'd like to have the first DIBs.

(01:44:13):
I know I'm probably not the first person to ask
for this too. What's that the having an exclusive interview
when you guys got some music coming out, like, for example,
you're exclusive, Like when you guys get your first song
actually done, can you post it onto Native Entertainment? And

(01:44:35):
because I would like to talk about that particular song.
If you're posting your songs one at a time, or
if you're gonna do the whole album one at a time,
whatever it is, I would love to have an exclusive
interview with you guys when that shit comes out or
right before it comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
I'm pretty sure we can do that. Sure we are,
because the first song that we're actually gonna release, I
believe is going to be bleeding out because we're doing
a community album with UH with THEA Sound, the Sounds,
putting together a community album with UH, mister, mister Anderson,
mister I think read his name.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
What's the community?

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
It's uh, it's it's one of the artists from Gallup.
I forget his name, Darryl Anderson, I believe his name is,
and he's he's actually some ship rock jazz player. But
he's putting an album together with the community of Gallup
and a lot of bands are on this album.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
So wait, is he? Is he that Chubby? Is that
Chubby I've been seen everywhere?

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah? Oh think so. Yeah, So we're doing an album
with him. You know, we're not doing an actual song
with him, but he's putting an album together with all
the local groups here in Gallup, and they're gonna be
showcased on that on that album. So we we got
got invited onto that. So we're actually gonna record, We're
we're we're done recording it. Gotta, like I said, gotta

(01:45:59):
put vocals on it to do that tonight and it's
gonna be our first single release, I believe, And that's
going to be the song bleeding Out so once I
get all the logistics on that, yeah, I'll definitely talk
to the guy. I'm pretty sure we can. We can
meet up with you or have that exclusive on there
too with you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Not to you, but I think I think this Robert
or Keys from Agnostia too is wanting wanting some information
on that album too, because we're we're we're really linked
up with him and uh, you know he's out try
to stop Agnostia last year in October we had fun
out there as bad ass.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Yeah. Yeah, how however however you want to do it,
I just I want your music on here. I want
your videos on her. Videos are key. Videos are key.
I want videos. People want videos, and you know, wherever
wherever I fit in there, I'll just be honored to
be able to converse with you guys, whether it's phone

(01:46:58):
or in person, can be over the phone. I m
real anti social. Back in the day, I would go
drive out anywhere, sit with anybody, talk to anybody. But
nowadays I'm just kind of like, not like going nowhere.
But yeah, anything else that you want to cover before

(01:47:19):
I let you go for the day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
No, just very very thankful for uh for the group
of guys that I have. You know, I'm very very
thankful for Curly, you know, Mark and Brandon, they really
they really shine with with with what we have now
and they, you know, like I said, they kind of
gave us that kick in the ass that we needed.
And really thankful for my boy Wolf. You know, been
through sick and sin with that guy. And same with Peter.

(01:47:44):
You know, I've known him since since I was a kid,
and you know, we really really enjoy what we do.
And really I'm really thankful for them. And you know,
like I like I, like I say in my live shows,
I'm thankful that they're here because if they weren't, I
wouldn't be you know. So on that note, I'm really
thankful for the band I have there, love them the desk,

(01:48:07):
And once again, you know, thank you for for reaching out.
I know, I know it's been a process. I know
it's been in a fucking long haul trying to get
trying to linked up and talk to you. But you know,
I'm very thankful to be talking with you too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
I appreciate it many. I know, thanks for taking the
time to chill out with me today. But I'm looking
forward to your stuff. I'm glad you guys are back
out there grinding it. Yeah, have a great day bro.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
All Right, thank you man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
I'm here, yep, i'm going