Audie Jay Jensen, of the Sheepheads talks about the past, present and possible future of the band

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, Brokine.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
How's how's it going?

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Not too bad? Not too bad? I uh, you know what.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
I apologize about that too. I should have confirmed that
we were on the same time zone.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh that's cool. I didn't. I didn't think that for
the reason I just thought I didn't know, kind of
thought it.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
Was Arizona time.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, it's seven o'clock here now.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, where are you at?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm in Farmington, New Mexico. So okay, yeah, where are
you at again?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Flastaff Arizona?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I kind of figured like Phoenix are somewhere over there
because I used to live over there in the time
zone was always off.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, okay, you're you're at Farmington. That's cool. Yeah, that's
it's about our head then, yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, okay cool. Yeah, Yeah, I've been up that. I'd
been up there a few times. It's been a long time,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, you guys have performed in there before, haven't you,
like at Gators or somewhere right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
A long time ago. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
It was, uh what other place too? I think it's
like I can't remember the name of it. It was
like it has like two bars or two bars, two
bars and one. I'm not sure if it's still open there, but.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh there ain't shipped down here now like everything, Yeah,
you know, everything's got shutting down.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah. Yeah, we play with the Horny Toads.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I was just I just put a video up.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I just oh, man, this is this is crazy the
Uh so you guys probably played with Horny Toads over
at Noah Theater.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Right, Yeah, yeah, we played a long time ago. Yeah,
when Gerald was still singing with them, of course. That Yeah,
that was a long time ago. Yeah, we played I
can't remember the name of the bar there we played.
We played with them met there and we also played
at the Bonus Bike Run and.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Ship Rock too sometimes.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, and uh yeah, but we used to play with
them and Keyanta all over place.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
I just made a video where I was reacting to
your You guys did a badass fucking song.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
It all goes dark.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, this ship is.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So goddamn phenomen know.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Man, I've I've I loved the way that sounds, and
I've heard it a couple of times before, just like
uh like like when I stumbled across and I'm like,
oh shit, right, and then today I was like, oh damn,
where's that video at? And because I haven't seen it
for like a year or whatever or however long it's
been a few months or whatever, Yeah, to a jam
on it, and I was like, oh, when I saw
my comment, I was that I had commented on it

(02:21):
the last time I watched it, and I was like, dang,
cause that that fucking song is God damn, I'm I'm
giving like a chef's kiss man ah, perfection, perfection.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
That fucking shit. It's goddamn good.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's cool. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's
it's Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
We recorded that long time ago and about the order
two thousands. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because I had just
I think I just remember that video when I shot
that video. Uh, for that one, I had just gotten
out of the hospital, so I was like, really like this,
I was kind of I was really sick. I can't
tell in the video, but that was That's the reason

(03:01):
why I wasn't moving around so much.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
What Uh what'd you go in the hospital for?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Oh? Was?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think it was just like I had like some
food poisoning and and I just got treated for it
and I got out. I was really sick, so I
just remember coming back and where they wanted to shoot
that video real quick, and I was like, yeah, let's
just do it real quick. We just shot right there
and it was funny with my so my beer right
there was it was a little prop. But I wasn't
wasn't drinking by singing drinking for me, I just been recording.

(03:27):
I went laid down. But yeah, I still look at it.
I'm like, that's why I'm not moving around so much.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So you've you founded you started cheap Heads. Take me back,
Take me back, and let's let's take it. Take a
trip back in time, bro, but take me back and
back in time to the origin.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Tell me what's up.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Oh we started that Me and my friend best friend
jam And started that band back in twenty fifteen when
we were like, man, we were about in high I
was like beginning.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
High school, freshman in high school twenty fifteen.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, it was like it was like going from eighth
grade to ninth grade, you know, his own started.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think you started the band.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I think you get your time the time zone run.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I'm starting nineteen ninety five. I'm sorry, I think you still.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Some of that food boysn't going on?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, I just got off work too. It
worked a long days. Yeah, I just but yeah, nineteen
ninety five, ninety six.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So okay, that's what I meant to say.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
So you you and your buddy who my best friend
jam and yeah, he's when to started band with me.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean him came came up with it.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
We were kind of come up with band names, and
we had, I think, gone through a bunch of different names.
And we were actually at my grandma's house eating off
a sheephead and h and we were kind of come
up with different names, and I had joking around, you know, said, hey,
you know, how about sheepheads? And and he started laughing,
and he looked at me and goes, hey.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know what, I would remember that? Yeah, you know,
it's kind of funny, like people would laugh about her name.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
They would hear it in their sheep heads. You know,
they'll laugh, but then they would tell us. You know,
it was easy to remember, dude, It was so easy.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Remember.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I still remember the first time I ever saw it.
I was in uh, you know what.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I actually now I don't remember if it was in
Gallop or in flag Staff where the fuck I was
at because I traveled around a lot doing a lot
of interviews for a a show I was putting together
called it res TV All Access Weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And I want to say it was in Gallup at
the El Morro or not? Is it Del Moro? Is
that what that's called?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
One of the fucking places up there? But there was
three bad jacks and then I saw the name Sheepheads,
and I was like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I was like, who the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I got to listen to these guys, but I don't
remember ever seeing you guys.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I don't know if I got distracted.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
With pussy or beer, all all of the above.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I have no fucking idea. But all these years, I've
always wanted to see two groups, sheep Heads.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And Horny Toads, and I've seen Horny Toads on stage,
but I just don't remember jamming out again. Beer and
pussy probably got in the way. But you guys are
the two. So it's funny you mentioned him earlier and incorrect.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That name is fucking memorable.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I'll have to send you a video or I got
a big of Horny toast singing bringing out with a
song called bringing on with Us on stage. Oh that's
badass and it's like it was up and there, it
was in Phoenix at Grand Rio.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Oh, then Tempe and yeah that was a long time ago. Yeah,
I'll have to send that over to you.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I know Tempe, Tempe back in the day because I
used to live in Tempe, and so after I got
up the military, I moved up to uh Tempe, Phoenix here.
I'm not a I don't really give a fuck for Phoenix, Like,
no offense anybody who's listening for Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's not my gym.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I don't care for the big city. I don't care
for the traffic jams, I don't care for the fucking heat,
none of it. The only thing that was really cool
that I liked was Tempe had a really good music scene.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
There was a lot of native bands that came out,
like EEDG.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
And all them were always coming out and yeah, and
then the other thing was a s U girls are
super hot out there.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah yeah we did. They see Powell show there too
a long time ago with the Rocking Horse. Yeah yeah, okay,
you know the rock Horse, Yeah didn't ey course, we
played a lot of shows that's injuriation. Yeah, you know,
quite a few times, so yeaheah. We had some good days, man, Yeah,
a lot, had a lot of fun back then.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't know how the fuck I missed you guys.
God damn, and you guys, you guys were pretty big.
I was hearing about you guys all over the place.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So you started sheepeds.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Nineteen ninety five, sitting around Gradma's house eating a sheep head.
And what what was the first thing you guys did.
Were you guys already jamming and you just wanted to
name or.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Or we were already jamming.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I came, you know, coming out with some songs, and
then we just came up, you know. Then we decided
to come with a name, and then we started looking
for members. And we went through good about five years
looking for different members. After high school. You know, it's
like for a little while, I sing for a little
bit myself. I didn't like singing at all. I hated singing.
I wanted to find a singer.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
You know. We ended up my actually, and the guy
who started with me went on to college. And that's
when I went and started playing.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Just played with a friend of mine from high school
named John, and he became our drum and then we
found a singer named Billy who made he used to
I used to work with a lot and wrote on
the road and we ended up jamming together.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
He played guitar and it got to the point where he.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Just wanted to sing, so I said, yeah, you know,
so it kind of worked out good. You know, I
just played guitar and he's saying and him and him
playing guitar. It really helped out because you know, he
he knew, he knew. He was kind of like he
knew what I was thinking, you know, a lot of
times when I was playing guitar, So it was it
really helped with just how you know, him thinking about
rhythm wise and all that.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and then we came our bass player.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
We played for a long time as a three piece
just drums, guitar and singer for a good you know,
you know, at least at least fifteen years, and then
until we found our bass player who was just named
Mikey Mike Mercer, and he came along and he was
a perfect fit for us, and it really added it
definitely boosted our sound a lot, and it seemed like
from there we started doing more and more. It was

(08:51):
like our shows started getting a little a little bit
more bigger.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Venues fifteen years just a guitarist, a drummer and a singer.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, yeah, fucking dig that. It was.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, and it made it made traveling easy, that's for sure.
I think we were able to throw some extra shows
in there with the three of us, you know, just piled.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Into a car.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
And then when when Carsonman came up with the bass player,
we had to get a little bit bigger, you know,
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
More, right, had to get bigger for all of us
to fit all of us.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, how did you guys do touring? Did you guys ever?
Did you guys just stay local or did you guys
travel all over the country or.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
We stayed local?

Speaker 4 (09:30):
But we did a lot of like around you know,
four Corners area. We played Abera Querque. We played Gathering
Nations a long time ago. I came remember a year,
but it's a shippy music festival. We played Phoenix quite
a bit, jug Heads when it was there. We played
uh L like to like Tuba City and you know
gallop Man. A lot of places we just it was

(09:53):
a lot around this area though.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, Suba City. The Tube of City Fair was always
kind of wild because they always had.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Like a MMA cage and then they would have like
music stage and then like you know, all the vendors
and so there was always something to do every time
you go to Tube City Fair, even though it's like
a really small compared to like ship Rock Fair or
like window Rock Fair. You know.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah, we did window Rock Fair too. We opened up
for Soulfly there. Oh nice, and that was that was
while back. And yeah, and then we also yeah, Tube City, Yeah,
there was a place where we play always playing. Tube
City was called I think it was a shack or
something like that was a little tiny place, but it
was cool. It was like a like a little someone
in someone's backyard. It was like an actual shack.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Do you guys play ho guns? Where did you guys
play any hoguns?

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Oh? No, we never got to play any ho guns.
We did a lot of houses, but you know a
lot of Yeah, but that'd be that would be pretty
interesting for the sound playing a ho gun. Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, yeah, it's been.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, we could. We stopped playing twenty fifteen. I had to.
I had to have surge and hip replacements. So that's
kind of that's all we stopped.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Oh shit, Okay, and then but from there it's just
kind of we just never took off again. We're try
you know, everybody kind of moved away out of town
or you know, from that point on. But we still
we still keep contact. I still talk with you know
a lot of guys and stuff like that. But but
we we know a lot of our music. We just
we just post on Facebook and just like that and
you know, kind of let look at it and look

(11:23):
at memories here and there.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You would you would you be interested in having all
your music showcased over at native int dot com. I mean, dude,
I've been. It's a it's a pain in the ass
trying to find people's music on online.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know, like I guarantee you do it. You going like, oh,
what's having that band?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And you go look for that band, you type it
in and you're like.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
What the fuck there's one song here?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And you know, and and it's like that with you guys.
You guys got like stuff scattered all over the internet
and stuff and it's like, man, where where's all their stuff?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So and that's a big question of mine.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Where's all your stuff? Bro? Where's the web site?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Where's Like you guys don't do nothing.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Oh no, you know, right, everything that we have is
is basiatic, Like you said, it is scattered, you know, Facebook,
And you know, I'm actually trying this this coming year.
I'm just I'm looking to put a lot of our
stuff like on maybe iTunes or something. Yeah, you know,
like some you know, I'm gonna get a remastered So
I'm in the process of trying to get that done.
But you know, right now, our videos are pretty much

(12:25):
in the same place they're on YouTube. I think some
of the links that sent you, you know, it's just
they're all on there on those couple of pages. But yeah,
right now is it'd be nice to get something where
everything's all in one, but it might take some time
for me to do that. Like I said, I'm the
only one running running it right now, and it's been
been a long time since I've actually sat down and

(12:45):
like messed with it. And you know, but I get
a few people who keep asking me if you know
where you get the demos and stuff like that, And
because no one has CDs anymore, so now I got
to figure out how to convert them and put it
so people can download it, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, Well, I mean I'm telling you right to go
to nativy and t upload your stuff. It's you just
got to create the count and then it'll allow you
to upload all your stuff. You can share the links
or just direct upload the videos and whatever. Would I
would love to do an entire special sheep Heads and uh,

(13:18):
you know, because I don't know, man, there's.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I always look for diamonds in the rough.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And over the past couple of decades of doing this
stuff and talking to people and interview and doing that
kind of stuff, I run into a lot of people
who sound good and have a cool sound and whatever else.
But it's very rare that you run into a sheep Heads,
you know, like the kind of band that sticks in
your head. And then like they came in like a

(13:47):
flaming media or and then they.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Disappeared and you're like, where the fuck did they go?
What happened to them?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
And that you know, you guys and Herny Toads have
always stuck in my mind. I'm like, fuck, those guys
are so badass, what the fuck happened to them? So
I would love it if you, you know, when you
get this stuff together, let me know. We'll get some
of that stuff on Native entertainment put together a little
uh specialty video series or something. And you guys also,
you guys really didn't you have released the Sheep Hits DVD?

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, we did, We did do Sheep Has DVD and
we uh, I think I have I have one somewhere. Yeah,
I wanted to put it, put the whole thing onto
YouTube or something.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
But yeah, I definitely that's something. That's one another one.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
I will drive out there to pick it up from
you just so I can, so I can put it
on Native and Tea.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I will or ship it to me. I will send.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I would pay for the shipping and then send it
back to you. Again that that would be really fucking
cool to offer that online so people can just go
and click play and watch it all in one you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I'd be going to do that.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Because like I like, I what what caused you guys
to break up?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
What's going on? What happened here?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Well, necess there was the health problems. It was me
me having the hip hip replacement. It took me about
five years to recover. And you know it's second it seemed.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
What caused a hip replacement what caused the problem I got.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I got hit by a car when I was four.
Oh shit, you so it just turned into authritis over
time and it got harder. I was diagnosed about when
I was about thirty, and I was told I was
gonna eventually have to have hip replaces. But so a
the time I was thirty five, which was about twenty eighteen,
you know it, that's when it got so bad. I
was I couldn't even like barely move on, like on stage.
I had a hard time playing. And it got the

(15:34):
point where I was It's like, I was like, I
gotta get this done. And when I got it done,
it took me out five years recover completely from it.
And it was by then, I said, everybody, five years
does a lot to everybody, you know. Yeah, you know,
it's like and it just seemed but we just couldn't.
We tried to get going again, but it just it
just seemed like we just couldn't find that pet, you know,
get that get that step polling again. It's just everybody
had their lives going differently, and it was just, you know,

(15:56):
it was just different. But you know, I've actually thought
about doing something on my own now, Like you know,
try something different because I still play guitar and I've
been you know, I thought about, you know, start maybe
starting different kind of band, but you know, something just
to just to keep myself busy.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, I know. And because that that guitar playing. Dude,
you're fucking gifted. Man, that that ship is fucking wow.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Thank you appreciating that.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's I mean. And I play guitar and I'm not
and I suck at it, but I value guitar players
and musicians people who actually use either their vocals or
their body to make music or like their fingers and
you know, because moving moving your fingers around on a fretboard,
knowing exactly where to hit it, that is very It
takes it takes a special brain to do that. And

(16:41):
like just like that riff from it all goes dark. Yeah, dude,
that is so fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
How did you come up with that?

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
It's I think it just comes from you know, like
my influences, you know, like my big influences like Richie
Allence and Buddy Holly. Oh dad, all right, So you
when you listen to like Buddy Holly songs, Like if
you're listening to song on pegasu Yeah, you know, and
the chord changes on there. You know, you know if
you listen to the chord changes on pegasou and just
how much it changes and you listen to it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
All goes dark, you hear. You know, I changed my
chords a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
That is fucking cool.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Uh. Buddy Holly played and rhythm they call it rhythm lead.
So that's kind of what I adapted to as a plane.
Like when I play, since that was the only guitarist.
You know, it's like I started, I played like Buddy Holly,
which was rhythm lead.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
I make sure my chords, my chords sounded had that
tone towards it could was it was like a lead
almost a lead progression.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Dude. That is fucking genius.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
That is that.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I can see it.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I can hear it now. I like, now that you
pointed it out, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Oh, that's why that sounds so beautiful. Like I was
just yesterday, I was walking around and I was singing.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I was singing that Buddy, and I was like, uh.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Every day life since is going faster, going faster.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Than roller Coaster? Yeah, yeah, that's one of my favorite songs.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, that song too. The chords on that one's really cool.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
It's it's it's it's like you said, it's it's that's
how I play it. You know, I make every chord count,
you know, every strong it's like, you know, and a
lot of a lot of it's on you know, just
playing pretty hard.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
You know, like strumming pretty hard too. That's how Bloody
Holly play.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And then Richie Richie Balance.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You know, you can hear a lot of that style
of minds too, and you know it's like that's kind
of what I grew up with or just listening to
that kind of music.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
And then they kind.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Of it was basically while I turned my overdrive on
and it just sounded the way I came out.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's fucking beautiful. I know.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I got an old I got an old Richie Vallens.
It's a small one of those, uh A side B
side records, Yeah, from from back in the day.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know, they used to release the singles on it.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
On one side is one song you gotta flip it
over it and it's on the other side. I was,
I don't know, like a yard sale or somewhere, and
I was going through records.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
I still like records I love the way it feels.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And I saw this record just sitting there, like, fuck,
that is cool.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, yeah, definitely the record sounds. It definitely has a
different sound than CDs and stuff like that. And yes,
I never always want to own one of the record
player was you know preb It should gets me one.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Dude, fucking plays.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
To be pretty cool. Yeah, here's some Metallica that way.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
But the only thing is it'll suck when it starts
skipping because you're on the other side of the house
or outside or something. Take a look to the sky.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Take take a look to the sky.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Take a look to the sky. Goddamn, I gotta go inside.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
You know, give it a good kick. Yep.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, it's like, I know, it's funny because like what
you three are just funny that you mentioned that song.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
All Goes Dark. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
He had this one guy one time come up to
me and he told me he was like, he was
asking about that song because man can know the name
of the song, but because I like that song, you
know that song that goes.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That Joom June Chicken June Juom June.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
And I started I started laughing, and I was like,
you know, like you know what that song does?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Go June, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
What what was that song about?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Who wrote the lyrics? Did you write the lyrics or Billy?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
No?

Speaker 4 (20:17):
No, Billy wrote the lyrics that one. I can't exactly
remember what what what it was. It's funny because some
of our songs, it's like it's not even what people think.
You know, sometimes you know, if it sounds kind of
dark and mar but it might just be you know, Billy,
you know, having a stomache or something and him just
him just describing it or something like. It's like, it's

(20:40):
funny because people tell me how the song means this.
I like, what's that song about Billy's diaryad or something?
It's like just describing it. And I was like he
had a pretty good way of describing things, and he'd
make it sound he'd make it sound like, you know, heartfelt,
and it's like to be fine out it's something really simple.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
But yeah, it's like think we we I think how
we were we we we were just like a bunch
of guys who just had fun. We never really took
you know, things seriously. We just we just enjoyed what
we're doing, and we would make things sound dark, but
it wouldn't it wouldn't be what you expected when you
find out what it was.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I know you guys have uh had a pretty big
song too that Natives who Just Don't Give a Fuck?

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Okay, yeah, that one, that one's I wrote?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
You wrote?

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Yeah, I wrote that one, and uh, I remember I
actually wrote it for I was helping these guys, these
hip hop guys with some recordings, and I was helping
them and I came with a chorus line for them
and they went over it and they didn't they didn't really.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Want to use it.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
So I'm like, okay, So I just ended up using
it on one of my songs and we I showed
the guys up my rehearsal and they liked a lot,
and when that's how we ended up playing that song.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
So the the there's a line in it. I'm trying
to remember it now that I'm talking to you about it.
It's skipped my head. It's a hook uh long hair
pickup trucks. Natives who just don't give a fuck?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Did I get that right?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Who came up with that? You did?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I did?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, it was like like I said, it was a
hook for a hip hop group out, but they didn't
want to use it, so we ended up using it.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So you wrote it? Just so I make sure I
understand this because I'm halfway retarded. You wrote that song
for a hip hop group? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, because I was helping them record a song
and I wrote it for them because they were wanting
to and I did.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
They didn't want to use it, so I was like,
all right, so I just we I showed the guys
in my bandit and they did.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
We had made like a metal version of it or
rock version of it, and they there it sound a
pretty cool storts like, hey, we'll just use it for
you know, for us.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Fuck yeah, dude, did it?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Did it end up turning out to be one of
your biggest songs? It?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, it did pretty well.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
You know a lot of people remember it, and yeah,
like quite a few people come up to me and
still you know, mention that song to me, you know,
and yeah, it's kind of funny because it's I think,
I think the funniest thing I've ever seen was like
we had le uh, this one kid that whole whe
kid came up to me telling me it was like,
I love that song.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
They just don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
We're like, fucking dude. I love that about music, right,
because music like you can have. Anybody can love your music.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Right, Yeah, if it's catchy, if it's fun, who gives
a ship?

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Who's singing it?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You can because how many times you and I we
listen to music made by non natives our whole lives,
our whole fucking lives, right, and it doesn't seem weird.
But like when we were like, because I make music too,
and I used to be on the road for a
while and I would sell music and I would have
these no natives come over and they.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Would be like, oh man, fucking love that song.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
And I'm like, oh cool, and I turned, I turned
to somebody who's like next to me.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I was like, you see that ship. That's fine?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Cool?

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, it was, It was.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It was pretty pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I guess when when you kind of reach the crowd
that you don't think they're gonna reach, you know, and
they end up you know, they tell you that they
like really like said like something you do, and it's like,
oh it's cool. It's like you know, yeah, I've always
enjoyed that it was always fun.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Like I say, I grew up, I said, I grew
up listening to all kinds differ music. And yeah, like
I said, growing up a located listening to fifty songs.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
What was the hip hop group that you were writing
a song for?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh it was it was House twelve Records. Oh yeah,
Dog Soldiers, Dog Soldiers, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Melon, Melvin and
Bryce And.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Was that Meil Beats right? Is it mel Beats?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
I used to help them out a lot, and they
used we used to hang around together all the time.
And I used to hang around there when they first
when they first started, I was hanging around with them.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
They were around me and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Of course with my band was starting to play a lot. Yeah,
So I mean, we always support each other, you know.
A second, I was tell people about them, and they
always tell people about us.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
And I don't know if you remember a magazine called
Mafia Magazine that said native hip hop magazine.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Oh no, I don't think I don't I heard of
that one.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
So I created back in three uh in all native
hip hop magazine called Mafia Magazine. And I wanted I
wanted a name that was just totally opposite of what
people assume it would be native because at the time
I was real sick of like everybody had the stick
of feather and so to speak, you know, like and
you know, and it's like like I would get cigarette,
Like fuck, God damn can we can we just be

(25:18):
fucking natives without having to fucking have a fucking feather
in that goddamn thing. And uh So, I was like,
I want to create a magazine to promote my artist,
Mac Fox, because I had a record label and I
wanted to promote this guy, Dog Soldiers. I featured Dog
Soldiers in the very first issue that magazine. I think

(25:39):
I put out like three issues if I remember correctly,
But they were super cool.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
They were some cool.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, there's some songs that if you hear the well,
there's if you there's some guitar playing that's actually me,
oh no ship, Yeah, it's with Bryce. I can't remember
name of the song. It was so long ago, but
I remember Bryce. He he did a song on that
one of them, and I like guitar on it.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
And there's a few.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Songs that I have I don't think we've ever put
out there that we just did for fun and it
was like they were rapping.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I was, we're playing you know, some metal behind them. Yeah, yeah,
there's there's Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
So I said, I know them pretty well. They're really
good guys, and yeah, they're really really good. Really that's
actually ran into Bryce like two days ago. Yeah, from
Dog Soldiers. Yeah, he's it's funny. Yeah, we were just thought.
We always joke around. It's like, man, we're all old now,
I know, right.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Like, uh, there's a certain point when when you're like,
you feel like you're young and immortal and shit canna happen,
and then the next thing you know, you're fucking You're like, fuck,
I don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Uh, I know.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
I remember we used to play shows in the beginning,
we would jump down in the moshpit and be like
with the bands that were opening stuff. Yeah, and then
we would jump down there and we would sit there
and you know, get in the moshpit before we go
on and have fun with all that. While we had
to stop because it felt like, you know, we're kind
of were getting there and we started realizing, hey, man,
is it just me or everybody gunning for us?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's like, right, doesn't like that.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, yeah, because I remember just doing mash bits and
fucking body surfing and ship like that and no problem.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I think the people started recognizing this and there was
one to give us a.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Good hit, punch in the nuts.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, we like.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
But we get on stage and we'll all be lipping
around like, you know, we better stop doing that. We're
getting we'll start messing up my shows, hurting.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I can't play because somebody broke my finger.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, it was always Yeah, we had blast doing that.
It was like good times. Yeah. It's like I said,
I don't think I could last the mouse right now,
I'm getting so brittle.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, the the when you guys made music, did you
guys just do the demos and the stuff that we
can find online, or did you guys actually like record
an album.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I can send you a link to like one.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
I think it's it's just like a recording session of
me and Billy singing acoustic song.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, it's it's actually a it's so reverb Nation.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Send me whatever you got, bro, send me whatever you got.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You can do it through Facebook and I'll put them
on Native V and T, or you can go directly
to Native V andt dot com and then upload them there,
create yourself an account and upload whatever you want whenever
you want.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But yeah, I want all of it.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Man, I'm fucking I want the whole goddamn I want
the whole box set.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And you should make like a box set of all.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Your stuff, compile everything and like commemorative like collector's edition stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I think people would fucking eat that shit up.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Because there's there's music music connoisseurs out there like me
who who just love like just love music, and you know,
and like I said once, there there are very rare
instances where bands like Sheepheads comes around, right, and and
like even the marketing that you guys did for for

(28:56):
way back in a day like that, that was some
good ship you guys had, like really fun, like from
what I see online and stuff, right, really fun, fuck
it kind of attitudes with stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
And it's really.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Refreshing to see that because everybody always tries to play
this holy Endian kind of thing, you know, and it's
just fucking tiring and exhausting to somebody like me. And
I like seeing real people doing real ship acting the
food just being kind of stupid and goofy because that's
the rock and roll lifestyle, that's the hip hop lifestyle,
that's the fucking that's the rest out lifestyle. Just fucking
just going out having a blast. You know.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah. Yeah. It was just basically just being ourselves.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
And I think I think that's that's kind of how
we were. How you know, our attitudes sort everything was
we just we just like we enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
We had fun. You know. We didn't like you know,
people telling us, you know, you guys should be like this,
be like that.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
We were like, it's not us, you know, yeah, you know,
we're just gonna do our things, like, you know, we're
not afraid to have a beer in front of everybody
or something that's like come.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
It was just because if we go to the Reds
and they'd be like, Tomas, you shouldn't be you know,
drinking the of course, you know, like now times and
things of that.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, you know, you guys don't. It's like it's like
say they would say.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
You guys don't want you get if we want to
do a story and you guys are someone remember one
time they said they want to do the story, but
they weren't doing less. We said that we were Sober
Indians were like, that's not true though. Yeah, it's that
we're not no drunks, but we do like to have beers,
you know. It's like we're we work at jobs.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
It's like, I don't know, I understanding. I never really
understood it was called politics.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
No.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
And that's the thing with with a lot of uh,
native marketing is it's a.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Lot of bullshit. It's a lot of a lot of horseship.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Like every time we watch the movie, like right now,
there's a movie called res Ball coming out I have,
I don't know, I don't never seen the trailer, but
I can guarantee you somebody's gonna go on the journey
so discovery, right, I guarantee you, Yeah, somebody's going on
a goddamn journey.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You're here an eagle whistle, Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Pow wow, some powow bullshit going on. And I love
pow wows, but I'm sick of it. I'm sick of
the goddamn you know, stereotype, the stereo, the same altdle
shit over and over and over. That's why when I
created Native Entertainment, I banned feathers, beads, and buckskin and
everybody was like, oh you hate being native? No, God
damn it. I want to encourage you to fucking to
showcase who you are without having to fucking cater to

(31:13):
the Hollywood caricature of who you are. You know.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's how we are. We We didn't really,
we didn't go out there and promote ourselves like that.
We were just just like we're in.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
No matter what. It's like, you know, we're natives.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah yeah, it's just kind of like we I don't
think we have to oversell it, you know, Yeah, and
it's like it's just yeah, we just yeah, I been there.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yeah, I know exact what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
And uh yeah, it looks like your shows were fucking
crazy lit man Like you guys look like you like
you guys look like you carried an audience, like you
carried a crowd.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
You can had crowd control.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
It looked like you guys had really good stage presence
from the videos that I'm seeing and stuff like, how
let's I want to let's take a step back real quick.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So Billy King was the vocalist. How did you come
across Billy?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (32:04):
We, like I said, we were we worked together on
the road. We're working and traveling with each other. And
he played guitar. We know too, so we would you know,
practice together, jam together. I played, he played rhythm, uh,
you know, play lead. And then we got to a
point where he started singing and I would hear him singing,
you know, cruise around rides, and I told me, try singing,
and he started singing.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
He ended up.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Really liking that, and he knew and then you had
a band. Well, yeah, we we did. He knew I
had a band, and we just we just but we
just kind of it felt like it just kind of
just fell into it.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
He mean to ask him.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
He just ended up singing for us, and it just
it just and it just worked. It just felt like natural.
I said, we just you know, our our when we
have rehearsals. It was a get together. It was like
we we we get together, we have our beers, have
some hot dogs, you know, cook some food and jam.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And that's sound sad.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, you know, sit around, have fun and just you know,
it just it just kept growing from there here and
it just it just people start telling us we should
go out and play.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
We're like, okay, so we just started going out playing.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
When did you guys start performing?

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Oh, we'll see our first I had the performance was
like in two thousand with with the with that group,
two thousand and two, and it was at it was
at open mic Charlie's open Mic and Flagstaff they had
They used to have open mics at Charlie's downtown, Yeah,
on Tuesday nights and back then, and it was we
started off.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
We would play acoustically.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Isn't Charlie's the one that has a big, old open
courtyard and there's like a stage up kind of tucked
in the back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, it's like where they do the pine cone drop
for New Year's Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right in front
of it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Think that might be the place where I've only been
on stage one time. I think that might be the
place where I performed.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I performed a song. Fuck.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I don't remember the song, though, I want to say
it was I'm So Broke because one of my one
of my songs from my group Gurkun. And the only
reason I went on it was because I was trying
to motivate my uh uh. The guy had signed mac Fox.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Because he was like, oh no, man, I can't get
on stage.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I'm scared, like.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Fuck that anybody can get up stage. Fuck these people.
And I remember I got a stage.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I don't know if I was terrible before I was
fucking phenomenal or whatever. But because I don't really, I
never really cared about getting on stage.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, I love making music, like right now, I make
music all the fucking time. When I'm in a bad mood,
I grab my guitar or I bang out.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Some loops or some bullshit right and.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'll make anything from country death metal. I made a
whole country album like back in twenty ten for my
mom because she's always like.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
She you always sound good when you sing country, but
when you sing changing music, you sound all ugly. I
wish she would sing good music, so.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I made her country album.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
I've played with a few light here, side bands, country
groups here and flag and yeah, just yeah, as long
as I'm playing, that's how I feel, you know. Yeah,
It's like it doesn't matter what style it is, all
just I think I enjoy all kinds of music.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
And yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Funny because I never really it's like a played in
a metal band, who played you know, But I've never
really considered myself a metal guitarist because I don't the
one who claim that because I'm not. I don't feel
like I'm a great metal guitar player or I thing
like I said, I'm more Buddy Holly and or distortion.
You know, you know, you know what I'm saying, because
I really admire like a lot. I hear a lot
of metal players out here, guitar players, man, and oh yeah,

(35:20):
I love listening to some of these guys. Yeah, I
get some they got some fast chops, you know, But
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
There's something unique about the way the way you play though,
because the like if you listen at like like there's
certain guitarists right that that that that kind of fly
through fly through our lives, right, and you can hear
them and you're like, oh, I know who that is,
and you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Or like a singer, you hear a singer and you're like, oh,
I know who.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
That is, Like there's distinct voices that you hear, right,
And man, I gotta tell you, man, I've never been
in a band and toured and done kind of stuff
that you've done, but I can only imagine that you
guys were how long are you on the road? Ten years?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I say about yeah, about about ten twelve years.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Twelve years on the road.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, that's a long time going out, getting laid, drinking, partying,
just having a blast, hanging out with people, meeting different
types of people, traveling, camaraderie. It's got to be one
of those things that you always look back at as
a highlight in your life or the highlight. Am I correct?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah, it's definitely. I definitely said I look back and
it was definitely fun. Time it was, you know, it's it.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It went by too quick, that's for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
You know, it's like, can I definitely remember when I
look watched some of the videos. I don't think I've
really watched any of these vides until recently. It's like
I finally, like I say, it has some time to
watch them. I'm like, oh, wow, you know we did
quite a bit. Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it was.
It was a lot of fun, but it was a
lot of work too, you know. They think, you know,
I think we did rehearse said, we enjoy rehearsals, but

(37:01):
we did rehearsal a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You know. In the second we always.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Kind of talked talked about like, you know, you know,
how how the songs will go everything here and there,
and it just it just it took some time to
get to where we were.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You know, well, you guys have that like technical genius,
that that okay, so going back to it all goes
dark the you guys have there there's a there's a
wave that comes in there, right, so you're you're playing

(37:35):
and then it kind of breaks down and it comes
back up again. And when Billy starts kicking in the
vocals and you're kicking in the up temple of your
of the guitar, right, and the way you're pounding out
on those strings and it's not like you're like you're
slapping the strings, but it's you're you're, you're you're definitely
hidding them more aggressively, but it just it doesn't sound

(37:57):
more distorted. It just sounds more power. And the way
the to his voice and the guitar's voice, the way
those two things melt, Oh my god, it's like it's
like it's like when you go to a restaurant and
somebody brings out this this meal, right, and and you're.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And you're like, what the fuck is this is that magic.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
And that's and that's and that's what and that's that's
when I uh, I'm telling you right, that's one guitar
and one voice. So I have to ask how much
editing went into into that audio to that to make
that music, because that wasn't that wasn't a one off.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
No, it was recorded. That song was recorded on a
real the real tape machine.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
What on a on a on an eight track school, Yeah,
it was. That's why it probably and I still use
that machine that I use, that machine that captures acoustically
really strong, damn.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And I that's that's what I used on there.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
So using the course of reason or real the real
you know, we we used I think it was just
a click track like a like a like someone to
keep us in time. And uh and it really we
had to do everything in one one tape.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I mean with the metronome you talking about.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Yeah, yeah, they keep keep me on of course, you
know time because there was no drumming on that one,
the acoustic version, and uh and and of course Billy
came in and of course we got overdubbed, you know,
like I think I did like three overdubs with my acoustics.
You know, three different, three different, three different sounds, and
then blended them together. And then of course you know,
and then Billy, of course he did some he did

(39:35):
his own his backups on there, and of course he
you hear some like some of the overlaps. But of
course we used the I think I think we ended
up using the all eight tracks somehow. I can't remember
how how it was, how it was, how it was
tracked out, but I just remember using quite a bit
to get that sound.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Well, it's a massiful because I always listened for overdubs
because even like a lot of my music, you can,
like sometimes if I don't take my time mixing ship,
which I don't a lot of times, a lot of
times like ah, that's fucking good enough, and you can
hear that overdubb right because you got the top layer right,
which is like something like.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
And then you got your bottom layer, which is like
an ad lib or you want to do every other
word or every accentuate words. And then if you if
you can still do like a rasp underneath the bottom one,
if you wanted to, like a right, so you can
kind of like like elongate or kind of make it
given more fluff and listening listening to that song, I

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didn't hear all that, so that so you mastered it,
you you put it together?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You Yeah, I been.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I used to work in recording studio and I was
growing up, so I had I have a lot of
experience with sound engineering. And also I also went to
Seattle back in two thousand and six and did internship
at robber lingk Recording Studios, where it got to you know,
do quite a bit of learning a lot from there.
So yeah, I've been around it, you know, I did.

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I did all our demos too, and everything sound wise,
and then the music videos of course.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
You know, I paid the sound the sound guy at
Orphan Theater.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
To record the sound for us at the Orphan Theater,
and then he gave me the sound and then I
just you know, blended it with I had three cameras running,
I think, and it it was quite a bit of work,
you know. Yeah, you know, so you did, you did
all of that?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
You did?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, the music videos on that, you know, everything I sent.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
And the music production.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, the music production is a sound production and it
was all done with a lot of analogs and you know,
back then I did use I think he used a
couple of VCRs, you know, and then mixed it with
digital and you know, it just it was. Now the
technologies is so good now that it's just you. You
can you can download all kinds of stuff to create

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that stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
But back then, dude, I fucking hate to sound like
a hater here, but fucking nowadays, I don't know why
the funk people ain't popping up videos every other day. Man,
you get all the tech in your pocket now. Back
in the day, just like you saying, you were using
different type of machines to make something happen, right, you
have to be real creative, all right, Pass this wire
over here, connected in there. There's an r C A
cable going that way.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, hot wire to yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, go ahead, start the start the car.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Why because we.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Gotta have the same fired up here.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
And don't don't plug anything into that wall over there.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, it was, it was. Yeah, you have to use
every outlet.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I know, like when I was doing the when I
was back in the day, when I was recording stuff
and going driving around and interviewing dands.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
And stuff, I had to it. It doesn't sound terrible.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But I mean I had to carry on that high
eight you know, the the big old camera. It just
seemed it seemed like a big fucking brick that you're
carrying around.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
And then it had that little.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Tiny ass little uh screen that you could barely see anything,
and the audio on it was a total dog shit
and you couldn't like I was made.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
It was terrible. Like a lot of times I got home,
I was.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Like, fuck, yeah, I made a badass interview and I go,
pop that suck are in and then I play it
and I'm like, oh, let me watch this, and then
you of the rewind it, and then you and then
you listen back and you're like, man, I hear cars,
I hear pigeons, I hear Glanni's fucking and dumpsters, but
I don't hear the guys I'm talking to.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, like yeah, I remember recording and like here
like of course I cleaned them out of there, But
catch sounds of living in the neighborhoods and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Who catch you know car sounds and things that yeah, yeah,
yeah in the background.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
It was like there's a few I think I have
recordings that we have that we I think I just
I think we left some of the sounds on there
just for fun.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
So in in all all the stuff that you guys done.
So Billy Billy King, the former singer of sheep Heads,
lives too.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Far away for you guys to jam out, Yeah, Billy King, Yeah, yeah,
he lives in.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Phoenix now.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
He works at Gore And uh, of course I live
here in a Flag and we we still we still, you know,
keep contacting us here. But yeah, we just don't. It's
kind of like hard hard to catch up with each
other too much. He's got his family. I got my
family now, yeah, and uh and but yeah, it's like
I definitely miss jamming, you know, let's it. But you know,
it's like I said, it's just what happens when you

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get older.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know, yeah, you do.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
You guys have publishing set up for your music.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
You know, I know I don't. I don't think we
do like publishing rights, and.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
A dude, I'm encouraging you. I encourage everybody I talk to. Uh,
you gotta get publishing rights, you gotta. You gotta like
your music is so fucking good and iconic that I
can guarantee that if you get into the right people's
hands management of somebody. They will get your music on
on uh on, on.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Movies and whatever fun, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
And and I don't care if your if your songs
are ten twenty years ago. A classic song is a
fucking classic song. And you guys have some really cool
shit that just you know, the kind of stuff that
where you're like, oh, yeah, that's you know, like when
you saw Stranger Things, right, and then fucking the dude
jumped on the fucking bust and he was busting that
fucking Metallica, right, everybody knew what the fuck that was.

(45:17):
Everybody every metal fucking had that ever jammed of Metallica,
which is every resbian, right, and they were like, ohtaka everybody, everybody,
everybody fucking like I got excited. I was like, oh shit,
that looks badass. You know that that that was even
done on a mainstream show. And so if that ever happens,
you're gonna be asked out because you're not gonna get

(45:38):
those royalties. And there's two sides to every song, and
you got to get paid from both sides of them. Bro,
I would encourage you research into publishing, get curag yourself
a publishing company, and then with your distribution, whenever you
guys decided to distribute, feel free to hit me up
whenever you guys decided to distribute, and so you can
do it properly. But there's plenty of information out there.
But I'm always willing to help too, because I've seen

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so many bands over the years that I'm like, damn,
whatever happened to these bands? Right? And they have some
cool songs, and you know, years later, people still jamming
on those songs, and I'm like, I wonder if they're
getting paid, And then it turns out that they don't
have any publishing, they don't have any anything set up,
and so they're not getting any royalties of any type.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, yeah, And just.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Like you said, like you a lot of work went
into your music, h yeah, a lot of fun, but
a lot of it's all work.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
It's all work.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
As musicians, people always think we're just fucking off, right,
but it's it's still work at the end of the day.
You still have to be serious about it and put
it together. And that's what you guys did. You guys
created like a your music created a lot of memories
for a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Right, Yeah, there was its definitely, I said for myself,
I've got a lot of memories of myself and ye,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I hope I help, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
I always think they're wondering how many people still remember us,
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Was just yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, I was just trying
to like kind of beard off there.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
No, no, you're fine, No, you're fine, yeah, yeah, yeah,
or just chit chatting.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I just wanted to, you know. And the thing is too,
I just I've been I've been so curious about you
guys all these all these years, and I uh, I've
wanted to interview you guys for a number of years,
but it just never would line up for whatever reason.
And so I'm actually really glad talking to you because
this is you know, they say, don't meet your heroes, right,

(47:30):
but so the safe thing is that we're not actually meeting.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
This is probably the best phone like phone you're like
I said, I interviewed.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I was horrible at him, probably still am, but no, no,
you know, this is is perfect.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
This is this is I like this and you sound
like a down to earth guy. You don't sound like
a like a lot of times when I've interviewed people
like in the past, right, like like there's some people
who were just so big hitted about stuff and you're like,
you know, yeah, and you know those guys like people
when you meet you're like, dude, you you have you
did one song and you think you're fucking dick's made
out of gold or some ship.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
I've had people of people come up to me and
tell me that about especial about our singer too.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Billy.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, he's really he's really down to the earth. And I
remember I remember doing the show one time and we
were just kind of just hanging around with some people
and then these people came up to me and told me, like,
you know, telling us that they enjoyed us, and they said, you.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Guys are so cool, and see, you know your singer
is really cool. He's he's not he's not.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
A dick, you know, because he comes off as a
dick on the side.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And I was like, I was like, I was all
looked over. Hey, Billy is what I said, You're not
a dick. And he gives me a thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
For bro appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
But yeah, I think we just they say, I think
we were just always kind of just said we just
had fun, enjoyed it. Yeah, it was funny too. So
we never liked the word fans. We always we always
said in our drinking bros. You know, yeah, yeah, as
they say, we prefer no. I was just you know,
I don't call it just kind of felt funny to me.
Called people fans, I said, our drinking bros.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You know. It's like, you know, well, well, for your
drinking bros, would you guys ever put together like a
reunion show? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
If I get the guys together for one, Yeah, I would,
you know, I definitely would love to do one.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh it would, it would, It would see right right
right now? Our drummer hate he just moved to London
for a job.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, damn man.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
So so it's like, so it's like with us, it's
kind of like and our our bass player lives down
in Tucson right now, way past Tucson, and of course, yeah,
so we're all spread up, spread up straight all over.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Place, right.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
But it's like, yeah, but if I could get line
up the stars and get us all together for a
couple of least a month, yeah, it would be would
be cool.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Figure it out, bro, I want you to do it.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
There's a lot of people just like me who want
to go to the Sheep Edge reunion show and just
fucking and just have you know, like, because I want
to actually would love to see you guys in concerts.
There's not very many bands that I would travel for,
but I would definitely go travel to see you guys
for sure, because I would be like, look, you got
you get.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
There are certain bands you got to see, right.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I never got to see Slayer in concert, and that
kept saying I'm gonna go see Slayer in concert before
they retire, and then they then they retired, right, and
then fucking that was it. And to this day, I'm
still trying to get an interview with fucking uh Tom.
But because I actually think that dude's indigenous uh some
part uh because he's from Chile, right, and there's a
lot of natives in metal, and I'm always interested in

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talking to these guys.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
But there's some bands you want to see. Metallica is
one of them.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I've never seen him my whole fucking life, And so
I was telling my wife this year is like, you
know what, I I think we should make a trip
to go see Metallica somewhere. Whether we gotta fly out
there and stay the weekend or something and spend a
bazillion dollars because of the hotel and the tickets and whatever,
but I think that would be pretty fun, right, And uh,
Sheepads is one of them.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I want to go see Sheepheads and and uh see
experienced the sound.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
I just think it, you know it the sound wise.
You know, it's like I think, it always depend on
the sound people. There were some pretty gold sound guys
out there, yeah, on the Reds and who ran some
good sound, and we came across some other ones that
just really it was kind of like really bad. Yeah,
but you know it was. It's always been a little
different than I think here. But yeah, I definitely would

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love to play One's Easy again.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Did you guys ever?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
I'm gonna let you go here pretty soon because I
know you worked a full day and I really appreciate
you taking the time and you just kind of hang
out with me real quick.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But did you ever play with a band called Left
to Rock?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
You know what? Yeah? We did. I remember that name.
I remember that name, Left to Rock.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, I don't I don't remember I don't remember exactly when,
but I know we did.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I have to man, I do remember that. I remember
that band though.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
So the band Left to Rot is a Pueblo death
metal band and they're fucking badass.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Because you're talking about audio, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
So the guy who founded the band, his name is
Nick Shiassi, and uh, that guy is just phenomenal with
his sound, his music. His technical prowess is is uh,
he plays all the instruments. You can play all the drums.
Fucking I'm pretty sure if I put a saxophone in
front of me and probably be able to play it
or some shit. Right. The guy's just a phenom right,
And I always like talking about bad timing. Right the

(52:24):
just before the plandemic hit, I was hitting him up
and I said, hey, bro, I want to form a
band for my for my band gooder kind like an
actual band band, like human people, because and he's.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
All like, all right, what do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I was like, well, I want to I just wanted
to do like a hardcore punk kind of thing, maybe
like Pennywise Bad Religion. And I know that's not a hardcore,
that's you know, but you know, but I told my
like I really love that stuff because I want to
mix my rap and my hardcore with some gutturules and
you know, shit like that. And but I told him,
I said, I want to keep it real simple. I'm
not trying to change music history here. I just want
to keep it real simple.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
What the fuck you want from that?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
You know, just like fun, good ship, like party jamsh
mash music, you know, like s O D style kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, and I mean you know s O D.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Right, s O D.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Storm Troops of Death.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Oh yeah, I don't think I heard heard him.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
No, dude, you got okay.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
After you get off the phone here when they're driving
work tomorrow, set up on your phone that way, and
you're driving work tomorrow, you can jam on Storm Troops
of Death. Scot In from uh Anthrax, uh way back
way back in the day they were there was a
lull between the albums and coming off the road and stuff,
and so there was he They had a roadie named
Billy Milano and uh so a couple other guys from

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Anthrax and they got together and they're like.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Hey, let's just fucking jam.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Let's make some ship, little fun and heavy and nothing
really too technical, because you know, they're coming off and
making these albums and they gotta do all these fields
and all kind of shit guitar solos, and they said,
no guitar solos, and they said, it's make this fucking heavy.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
So they said, all right, let's form a band.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So they so Billy Milano used to be their their
roadie and the end up becoming their their vocalist and uh,
and they formed the band called s O D. Stormtroopers
of Death, and their first album is called Speak English,
Would Die? Speak English?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Oh Die?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Well, that fucking album is There's there's times when I
when I get pumped up, and you know, when I
gotta go work outside, I'm like, funk, I don't want
to go work outside, and I gotta get pumped up, right,
I'll play Angel of Death from Slayer, right, yeah, or
Rain and Blood because those are real fast hitting and
they're like, yeah, Angel of Death right, and and you

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just you kind of just air guitar and you get
pumped up.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
And then the other one is Stormtroopers of Death.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
To Speak English, Would Die? You gotta fucking you gotta
jam on that ship. You gotta find that ship on
YouTube and just stream the whole album. You just gotta
change your life. That is. That's that's how whenever, whenever
I was stinking about forming my my reforming the band
and putting like actual band members in it, I was
staking my shit like that and like Penny Wise bad

(55:01):
Religion s O D. And I would always reference because
I told him, I said, you know some ship like
fucking uh sheep Heads and uh and you know, like
just fun, hardcore, simple, memorable kind of ship, you know.
So yeah, so you guys left an impression on me
for sure, But uh, Audio, I'm gonna let you go.

(55:26):
I really appreciate you taking the time today, and I
really encourage you to look into music publishing. And I
would love to hear that you guys are announcing a
reunion tour.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Oh hopefully one of these days.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, that would be That would definitely be fun. But yeah,
I definitely yeah, I keep touch man, definitely, like they
like like what you got going there and you know,
your page and everything out to check that out and.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
A lot of stuff you get going.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Hey, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, I mean you and you know this all all
of this stuff takes a lot of work, and this
because you have to have a love for this stuff, right,
and if you ever I'm gonna bite you right now.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
If you ever want to get involved with what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
In any capacity, don't ever feel weird, like, ah, this
is too dumb or whatever. I do ridiculous stupid shit
all the time just because I'm a fucking moron, and
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Ah, see what happens.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I don't know what happens.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, I mean, you never know.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Somebody might like it, somebody might hate it.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
But I mean, if I live my whole life trying
to figure out what people love and hate. Right now,
I'm wearing a sombrero and I got a Hawaiian shirt
and I got shades on. Like music video countdowns, if
you ever want to introduce music videos like doing like
you know, like Headbanger's Ball back in the day, you know, like, hey,
what's up on?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I'm audi from sheep Heads.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I'm gonna count down to top five music videos or
whatever this week because I created a thing called Billboards
Native Entertainment Billboards, right, and maybe maybe you can introduce
the top ten music videos of that most played for
that week or some shit. I mean, just because you're
on flag stuff doesn't mean we can't you know, do
the same thing kind of we're doing right here.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Right, Yeah, yeah, definitely. Maybe maybe I'll I'll get to
have some thought.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
I'm not very I'm very shy enough with with things
like that, but you know I might, you know, brave
up and try it.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Yeah, try it out. I mean, fuck it all right, brother,
go on thet.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I really appreciate your time and you have a great night.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Thank you, bye bye brother.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Later h