Naabaahii Bitsuie interview from the Rez-Punk band Now Or Never!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So tell me about the band, because I know that
that the bro used to be a drummer for Ray
Garen and then you guys started the band. When did
you guys start the band? And can you give me
the history of that of now?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It never.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Now? And ever?

Speaker 4 (00:17):
We actually started in a way with Ray Gurin, like
you were saying, I started with him.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Honestly back when I was I would say, like twenty.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thirteen, what you started with Ray Garin?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, And I was actually the other guitarist for them
for about two years.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I would say, wait, did you and I meet?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Because I had Rayyaron perform at the Native Entertainment magazine
studios in Albuquerque, and then I also got when before
it was uh Ray Earin, it was five sellars below
in twenty thirteen area. That was the timeframe when I
had the whole studio built and everything over at the
studio in Albuquerque.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Were you there?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I don't think they No, I don't think I was
invited to that because at that time we were five members.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I know five sellers from.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
What I used to play too. Before I was in
Ray Guron, I was in this band called Pro Accident,
and it was with one of my best friends. His
name was Christian and he was in Wolves and Wolve's
clothing don't if you know them from Gallup.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I've heard of him.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
There's a lot of bands that I've heard of, but
I've never actually heard or I've never actually seen him anywhere.
I don't go to shows anymore, so I would try
to find stuff online, and a lot of times people don't.
People don't actually record stuff. They just they make music
and then they go play it somewhere. So a guy
like me who doesn't like being around people, I'm like, fuck,
I'm not going to go out there.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
You know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
And anyways, my friend Christian and I have my first band,
which was per accident.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Then after that I worked for a.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
While and then I came back and I was just
saving up basically band equipment to form a band. So
necessarily for me personally, it's like I have every instrument
like a bass, you know, guitar, drums, a p and
a system just to practice. And so that was my

(02:26):
goal when I came back. And once I came back,
I put it fire. I put out flyers to be
and either make a band or join a band.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Both sold on.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let's back up a second, let's back it up to
take a couple steps back. Maybe I'm slow and retarded,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So when did you join regular?

Speaker 4 (02:42):
It was back in two thousand, I would say, twenty
thirteen or twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And then you you were with them from twenty thirteen
twenty fourteen until when.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Until twenty fifteen?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Okay, so you're with them for roughly two years. You
made music?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Did you record original music or did you guys just
do the songs that they already had, the setless they
already had.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Basically, I just did mostly the their music.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
And the only song I ever helped with was Sarah.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
But I feel like Ray was the one that made
the intro but then the rhythm and everything else, like
you know, we came up as a band together, but
that was.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
The only song I feel like I had an influence in.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
So you actually helped come up with some some were
you were you drumming or guitar?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I was guitar. I was just a strictly guitar or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, So did you get any like publishing credits or anything.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
No, I didn't get any publishing credits.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I just I just let it be because at that
time we made that song, and then and away Ray left.
I don't know if you remember that or know that
he left to like Alabama, I think it was.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And that's when he got married, right he.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Left to another Yeah, that's when he got married and
he came back. But after he came back, well, when
he laughed, that's when we formed now or never?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So was it there? Like so?

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Because here's here's the story I'm hearing from like Ray,
ray Gear, or like the story surrounding rayyear and is
that Ray For those of you guys listening at there
who don't know Ray is, we're talking about Ray, the
former founding member of Ray Gearing and also the former
lead singer lead vocalists of Ray Gear and who's.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
No longer in the band anymore.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
The overall consensus from what I'm hearing about people is
that Ray was inconsistent with sticking with the band and
he would take off all the time, or that there
were times pivotal times when he would just say oh
fuck it and take off and disappear. Nobody would know
what was going on. So I'm assuming this is that time, Prame,
when he took off. You got married, you didn't know
what was going on. So you were saying, all right, well, funk,
I'm going to form a band because I love music.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Okay, And it's basically like the gist of it, not
saying anything bad.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, no, yeah, like fact, I mean, I mean, some
people get offended with facts.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know, a man has a woman has a judge.
But those are the facts, you know, That's the way
it is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, So at that time he did, he did leave.
I forgot for how long because before in that band,
after he left me Byron and Jeff, and Jeff was
a drummer from Ray Guren and Byron was other guitarist
from Ray Gurion, so we had three guitarists and Ray
Goern in total. Then there was Ruben that was the basis,

(05:43):
and I was eventually I was supposed to be actually
the one replacing Byron and Ray Guren, but it never
happened or they never you know, in a way you
like kick him out and they just kept us, all
three of us on and then eventually Ray was gonna
was thinking about becoming a full on lead singer for

(06:05):
that band. But anyways, coming back to now or never,
it was me, Byrne and Jeff that form Now or Never,
and then Jeff told us about a bassis that could
possibly join us. So we got Levi from five Sellers

(06:28):
and you know, and it was also, you know, just
best friend from high school and Ray and Leevi and
Jeff we're all on five Sellers and they have their
own you know history with that. But anyways, at that time,
he's like, oh, yeah, I know a basis he probably
could play with this, so he called up Levi. He

(06:50):
was down to play, and eventually formed Now and Ever
and here and there. You know, like we had a
good running from twenty fifteen May twenty fifteen, and then
I think back in basically before COVID hit, and then

(07:12):
after COVID hit, that's when everything start kind of like
falling apart.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Like the band.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
We were still a band, but you know, COVID had
its really trials on us, and not only that, the
scene and then we were planning to go on a
tour but it got canceled because of COVID.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
And then did you guys have music?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Did you guys have recorded music at this point or
just songs you were performing?

Speaker 4 (07:40):
We did have recorded music, Like they're just five five
tracks that was on SoundCloud, and it was only done
in one take because you know, we're kind of rushing.
We kind of rushed it. I guess you would say
for a couple of reasons. One was because of the funding.
Two is because of the people that we were according

(08:00):
with what you know, in a way, we're wanting to
get it done in one session.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Did you record those in the studio or where were
you recording it?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Somewhat they had studio equipment, but it was in a house,
m okay. So like so like most barns, So like.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Most recordings that people have been doing for the last
twenty years or so, just kind of putting it together,
building your own home studio.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, okay, And so it seems like it's like that
around here because when you go to other places, it's
like so much like if you go to a professional
studio that's around like the surrounding wind Rock or Gallop area,
like just to do a couple of songs like minimal
would be like three thousand dollars. Yeah, and that's basically

(08:43):
the pricing of like everyone that's around here or you know,
three thousand or more, and that's like not in a
budget of a musician that's trying to make it, especially
as a starter musician. And anyways, so we did record
those tracks. They're they're still on SoundCloud and those are

(09:06):
the original tracks for now and ever. So after that
we were wanting to do another recording and do you know,
a full album, but in a way those were just uh,
you know, startup tracks. And and this time we actually
do have an album that's gonna be releasing in September,

(09:28):
which I'm excited about and I was talking about it
last year as well.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And uh, what's it called.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's coming out next month.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, it's called it's called a hold on album.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Do I got a fucking exclusive?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah? Yeah, it's called Fates Collide. That's gonna be the
album name, Fates Collide.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
And yeah, and it's gonna be by now or never.
We're gonna have have at least ten tracks on there.
And I don't know if you checked out any of
our stuff yet.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, And we released four songs so far on Spotify
and Apple Music and off.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Of the upcoming album you released them from.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, and we're gonna have ten tracks, inclean
the ones that already out.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Did you put any of those songs because I just
went to SoundCloud. Do you have any of those new
songs from the new album on soundclick?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah, No, it's not on SoundCloud. We left SoundCloud because
with SoundCloud those are kind of like free tracks. Yeah,
but from this album, we wanted to actually try to
make some money. But at the same time, he doesn't, yeah,
really really help with anyways. With Apple Music and Spotify,
that's what the new ones are on.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Would you be willing to share your music on our
website or would you allow me to go ahead and
grab your music and put it on the website. I
don't know if you know what the fuck I do,
But like I am, I am constantly I love music
and I'm constantly trying to try out test out different
things over the years of trying to get people to
to to come to one spot where there's a bunch

(11:19):
of music because I don't know if I don't know
if you're like me, but I I come across native
artists all the time, and then I go have to
have to scour the internet.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Where's their song, where's the music, where's their video?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And then you get lost in the shuffle, and then
you're like you get sidetracked with something else.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
You're like, oh, I'll squirrel, and.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
You're off running the other direction, and then you forget
told me about who you were looking for. And I
don't think a lot of I don't think a lot
of Native artists get it because they're like I talk
to a lot of them, and even if they have
a little following, they kind of get snobby about it.
They're like, you know, and and and I don't. I
don't care how big of a native artist you are.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You could always be bigger.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
And by putting it on Native Entertainment doesn't It doesn't
discount anything. It adds to it, because all I'm doing
is to add to the scene, to help people get music,
death metal, hip hop, whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
The fuck it is.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So if you don't upload it, I would love to
go grab it and throw it on the website because
we do a billboards.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I'm creating this thing.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's a billboards and I'm trying to I'm doing my best.
So I hope you can encourage me, and hope you
listeners can encourage other people when now or never uploads
their stuff, go rate, comment, react, and share their music,
because every eyeball counts. I don't influence the billboards at all,
the top ten or the most viewed for the week,
stuff like that. I think those things are very important

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that we don't have in the native marketplace. And so
I would love for you to put your stuff on
this and it mean to cut you off or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I just want to make sure that.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I emphasize that because it's very important because you're talking
about making money, you're talking about making an impact.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
That's all part of it.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yep, exactly, And thank you, thank you for that, because
like anything does help anything, any new followers, any new listeners,
because I think Native musicians, especially being a native in
a way, punk rockability, psychability, musician you know, is uh
basically dying out for this this area, and usually it's

(13:12):
just surrounding. It's like, you know, I don't have I'm
saying this with respect, you know. Uh, there's there's just
you know, like country metal and rap that's out right now.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
That's mainly the mainstream for you know, native musicians.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
But as for us, we're trying to be different and
we're trying to be you know, play what we love
and it's punk, but it's the surrounding genres within punk.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
So like psychability, rockabillity, like I was saying, SKA.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
And so that's the difference I think with us as
a band is that we're trying to not be discouraged
to you know, spread our wings to different parts of
the genre a punk yeah, And basically in this first
album that's kind of like where you're gonna hear. It's
like we're trying to make every song, every sound, every yeah,

(14:12):
every track different in its own way.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You guys gonna have some stand up base.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Yeah, we actually do in one of the the songs,
it's called Peaches, which is basically our one of our
main hits that everyone loves and asks requests for even
at shows. It's that one or that's a Burger because
everyone says, oh, can you play that burger song?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
And so we actually have a music video for that
out right now.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, I got it. It's on new website.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's it's ranked at number four on the most viewed
for this week right now with one hundred and eighty
seven views so far.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
As the recording of this conversation.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
So I've been I've been encouraging people to go and
go and comment rate it stuff like because you can
do a star rating on.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
It, right, and uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
But that's that's the one of the songs I want
to talk about here in a second. But all right, cool. So,
so you guys got some.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Rockabilly song cycle billy, and uh punk rock regular like
like mainstream pop punk, and then some like you gotta
assuming you're mixing some hardcore like like that East Coast
hardcore punk rock, like sick of it All type styles.
You guys like sick that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, it's like we're we like everything around punk and like,
you know, even emo all the alternative music. Like we
don't not like like different type of music's Like I like, do.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
You guys add metal?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Do you guys add guttural stuff into your stuff? Or
is it? What is it?

Speaker 4 (15:39):
It's more like, uh, I guess you would say it's
more trying to be clean sounding in a way clean
sounding want yeah, like uh like where you can understand
the lyrics or like understand the vocals.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh okay, click clear clear sounding.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, like more clean, I guess you would.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Say so insteat of like a you gotta exactly so
you can enunciate the words that That's one of the
things I like about about punk, like like like I've
been listening to a lot of like Mad Ball and
Sick of It all the last week, and like even
though some some of those punk rockers they got those
real horse voices from yelling all the time, right yeah,

(16:20):
but yeah, you can still hear the vocals.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
You know, like if a live, we want to do
what we want.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
And I love that kind of because that's the kind
of stuff that gets you pumped up because you're like, oh,
I know what.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
He's saying.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
So like even with that kind of music, it's like
we're not discouraged against it. But like in one of
our tracks, like Rocking and Rolling, you'll hear kind of that,
but it's not too too bad, I guess you would say,
like it's not too grimy. And that's someone that you know,
we we did right together. Mainly me and Jeff are

(16:54):
the ones that wrote a lot of the songs.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
And so who's in the band right now?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Though?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
But who's in the band? I'm confused because in the
video there's only two people. There's there's you and Jeff
in the in the video, and that ship look fun
as fuck, Like that looks hilarious and I'm originally from
So that's a burger.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Is there that's a burger like in wind Rock?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, there's a that's a burger and then there's a
that's a burger in four defins and those are the
only two locations.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Dude, you know what, you know what irks me about
that's a burger though, I mean it's it's a great joint.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I love I love the.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Burgers, but the fact that our people don't have hamburger
joints that's owned by white dude. I don't know if
he's still married to now hood uh or not now
with chick or nut, but they also own I think
they're the same people that own the storage units and stuff.
I don't ever understand why the fuck are people can't
just create their own that's burgers and their own fast
food joints and stuff aside from the aside from the

(17:51):
the road side.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Stuff, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's yeah, because that that that white guy is not
more intelligent than a nowh guy, you know what I mean. Yeah,
but that's the first thing I thought about when I
heard that's a burger, Like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
You know, it's not it's not about the people that.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like to me, it was always
a place where our go to.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Like basically kick it and I would I would always
hitchhike there with my friends. And then these ladies that
right there, like back in the day, not now, but
back in the day, they uh would see that we
stopped there like all the time to get something to
eat or share a meal, like we meet, Like we
would just like you know, get our quarners together and

(18:42):
sure a burger, like sweating half, you know. And and
then so they started seeing us so much that they
started giving us the food that sometimes the customers don't
pay for and like basically or like a wrong order
or something like that. So whatever they got back, they
would give it to us. And so that's why we
wrote that song.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
You just hang out in the lobby like Glotti's.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, basically, well just try to do something because like
I think back then, there was like nothing to do,
yeah at all. At that time, there was just like
my Space, I think it was in like that was
the only former communication to like hang out with people.
But at the same time, it's like you know, yeah,
you don't know if they're gonna hang out or if
you don't know if you're gonna chill out with people

(19:26):
or you know, you don't know if it's legit. And
so eventually we just like started, you know, we started
our band. And that's a preview is one of the
songs that I originally wrote with my best friend Christian.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
And he's still in the band right now.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, he's he's gone. He's he moved to Georgia.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Okay, and uh yeah, he moved to Georgia. But I
kept all the songs with me, like those are all
the songs that I remember, Like he doesn't remember it
like I remember it because I I'm a musician at heart,
Like I've always been surrounded by music, always played music.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
And so how long my mom was I'm sorry, good,
that's your mama's Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I was just gonna say. My mom was a broadcaster for.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Oh her name was Laurie Lee and by her full
name is Lorially you came to us. So she was
the one that would do like those music vessels that
used to happen at day college.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Over in Sale yeah sale music.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, love those things. When I was in the military,
and I would come exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I would come back home on those fucking things would
fucking rock your party out by the by the water
out there and you just have a blast.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Dude. It was fucking amazing. Here here's my story real quick, exactly.
Let me tell you my story real quick.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
This is this is because so tell your mam said
thank you, because years ago, years ago, this is.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Back in the nineties. This is back in the nineties. Right,
I didn't know who.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I didn't know who the fun lifeot was, right, And
to this I've still never seen Indian in the cupboard,
but I've and I'm not trying to be a hater
when I say that, right, but I'm just like every like,
there was this thing going on, this sale music festival,
and I was like, what is this? And so my
buddies were talking about everybody's talking about it, and they
were saying, hey, we should go over there, and you

(21:18):
know how everybody talks about it, but nobody actually goes, right.
So one day one year, I actually uh.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Went up there.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I hitchhiked up there. So I was hitchhiking up there,
and one of my buddies said, Hey, where you going.
So I'm gonna go fucking jam out this weekend. Man,
there's a music festival and I love music, and I
used to love him, and I used to love hitchhiking
because I love hearing people's stories, right, And that was
one of the number one things where I started hitchhiking
because I wanted to discover Native America from the back
roads kind of version, right, And uh, yeah, I remember

(21:46):
hitchhiking out there for the first year. And I went
out there with another guy and he was like a
half white and half Nab or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
And so we saw this billboard over there. It had
I want to say Julian B.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
But I can't remember the Native the dude's name. But anyway,
at the time, I had long ass hair and so
and then so my buddy looked kind of white. So
he said, hey, why don't I pretend to be Lightfoot
because lightfoot looks white, right, and then and and and this,
and they kind of had the same build, same hairstyle
and everything. And then you pretend to be just Julian

(22:23):
be guy. And I was like, holy shit, yeah, fuck it,
let's do it. And so we went to the uh
we were walking in and we said, oh, we're uh
he's Lightfoot.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And I'm Julian B. And uh, so we're like, all right,
come on in.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And they didn't know who the fuck they were either,
so so when we got in, they were just like
like giving us all kinds of free stuff, like hey,
you guys gonna go on on on pretty soon, like yeah,
and we were letting the back. We're walking around, people
were walking up to all these cute chicks were walking
up to getting autographs. We're like, are you those guys? Yeah,
we are getting autographs and phone numbers. What a party later.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It was. It was great. So tell your mom thanks
for that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I had a great, great first weekend that weekend and
then subsequent years after that, when I would go, yeah,
are you smoking a bunk?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
No, I was. I was drinking some tea. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I was gonna say, that's a funny story because, uh,
that year that you're talking about, I actually met like
but that's the first time I met him. Yeah, and
he was there at that that festival, and.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
He probably didn't meet him, like so he probably met.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
My bah exactly. That's what I was thinking, was like
it was him though.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Now it was him though, because he uh he gave
us like you know, uh actually photo like polaroid of
the Indian in the cupboard. Yeah, and uh, like a
poster him signing it. Tom Yeah, he was really good
friends with my mom.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
We had some of those.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Somebody handed us a bunch of posters, a little uh
the photos and they were like just stand right hair
in Sandy's and You're like okay, and and I was
like what are we saying? I was just I was
just scribbling something and then I don't know what he's
I don't know what he's scribbled, but I was like,
what the what is this? And then we were like, oh, dude,
were given autographs.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's that's when when somebody just walked up to us, I.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Was like my child, but but yeah, like uh, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
My mom was emcee with that with Ellie Williams.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, the one that broadcasts for the sports events. So
they would basically be the emcenes for like those shows,
and I would I would be like the little kid
tagging along with them all. My mom worked, so, like
I said, I was always surrounded by music, even though
it wasn't like, you know, the punk music that I
played today is still like Native American musicians.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
So it was like reggae, you know, hip hop you're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
You're talking about back then, right, like Blackfire and stuff
like that.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Blackfire and like drunk groups
and stuff like that. And so I was always inspired
by that too, because like I was like, man, how
can how can one guy just play like, you know,
one drum and just seeing and be so confident on
the stage, like I.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Still feel like.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
So, I think the difference between playing in a band
and playing solo is that I feel more nervous when
I play by myself because.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
In a way, you don't have I'm nervous, I really.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Because you know, I feel like it's better when you're
in a band because you know they can pick up
wherever you're left off, where they can get you back
into like sync with them or something like that. But
whenever you're solo musician, it's like you always can you know,
you could, you can hear your screw ups more.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I guess you would say if you do mess up.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I've never jammed with Uh, well, I've jammed with people.
I've jammed in jam sessions and stuff like that, but
I've never I've only performed on stage one time, and
it was only because I wanted I wanted to inspire
this guy that I had signed to my record label.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I wanted to inspire him because he was he was scared.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
He was scared shitless of getting on stage, and I
had no interest of being on stage right And so
I said, all right, I'm gonna fucking get on stage.
I'm gonna I'm gonna do this one song. And uh
so I got on, ripped it up, got off, and
I don't know if I did great. I don't know
if I sucked. I just know that I didn't really
give a fuck if anybody liked me or not. And
I just went out there and I had a good time.
And I don't remember being nervous. And most people, I know,

(26:39):
they had to get high or really buzzed when they
get on stage. But I, I just uh got on
stage and I said fuck it. And I performed a
song called I'm So Broke. It's a I'm So broke
bump into mishe wull a bounce with us.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
This is how we roll, that how we roll.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
It's a song off the The Gooder kind of album
Native Player Away from Three.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's an old song. It's a but but you're but.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
You're talking about performing with actual musicians, not karaoke, and
because that's basically that's basically what hip hop is. Whenever
I see it, if there's not a live band, you're
just doing karaoke. Bro and so yeah, and I love
hip hop. I make rap, I make hip hop, I
make country, death met all kind of stuff. But musicians,
musicians like you, guys are you guys are creating something

(27:26):
from nothing, moving your fingers along a thread board because
I play guitar as well, moving your your fingers along
a fread board, and you're.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Having to keep time with something right.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And especially be singing and vocals. How do you how
do you keep all that? How do you keep all
that in track?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think with me personally, you know, I can't speak
for every everyone, but for me personally, it came from,
you know, growing up with what I loved and what
I love listening to, especially the songs I did are
repeat and everything. There's little fractions of pieces for every
musician that you learned from, not only with guitar, but

(28:05):
even singing, because with my vocals and everything that I
have done and what I've done before is like I
was trying to come up with something new. I was
trying to be different and at the same time I
was trying to take my inspiration how to expand your
expand your lungs, you know, expand like your your tone

(28:29):
and your your vocals. And so my my favorite vocalist
for me is Search Tinking from System of Down and
then also Iron Maiden. You know the.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Bruce so Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden and then the
singer of the System of It Down is and I
can never pronounce his name.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Search Tinking.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yes, I want to say sir, I want to say Searge,
but it's a yep. I think it's a yeah, but
some ship But anyway, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
And it's funny because I follow him and his uh
his birthday was yesterday, So I still am am a
fan of started taking himself.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
As a musician.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
And and when it comes to like guitars, I was
always a fan of System Down and Ozzy Osbourne and
also like Blake one, my Chemical Romance, uh Event Sevenfold,
uh Straight Cats, you know all these other different bands

(29:42):
because to me it's like, you know, I would love
to play one, but then something like you were saying earlier,
something else catches your eye or catches your ear and
you're like, oh, I'm gonna research that band, see what
they have, you know, what they can do, and and
then and more got into like, uh psychability after finding

(30:04):
strint Cats, you know, went to rockabilly and psychability, and
then I started loving like Necromantics and horror Pops and
like Madson, And then when it came to SKA a
Sheila Manifesto and like, uh.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm not a big fan of SCAT even with Rancid,
Like when Rancid comes on, I can like I'm always like,
uh yeah, It's just it's really far and few between
for me to really like some SKA and like and
I'm a I'm a I'm not. I don't want to
say I'm a massive Rancid fan, but I like their stuff.

(30:42):
And I liked when they transitioned over into doing the
you know, the transplants and all that. It's like that
kind of that street wrap punk kind of thing, and
I really like that ship. But when Rancid does even
when Rancid does that stuff, I'm like, I just dude
to something about it. And all you SKA guys out there,

(31:03):
you're gonna hate me for this, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
We all get different takes of music.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
But I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying that
if I was jamming out, like if I went somewhere
and there was a concert and there was a SKA concert,
I wouldn't walk away like I fuck this. No, I'm
gonna go out and jam it because it sounds. Some
music sounds better live than it does coming out my speakers.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
That's just the way it is.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah, And to me, like so with my backstory
or music, and what I started liking more was punk
music only because when I started playing with metal bands
and I started hanging out with metal bands, like backstage,
like you know, they are more uptight, egotistical, like you know,

(31:46):
they didn't want to talk to you or acknowledge you.
You know, they kind of feel like they in a
way ruled the world, like they didn't want to acknowledge
you at all as another musician.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
That's weird, And that's weird because my hey, my thing
is I'm doing most of I used to do. I
hit the mic, but I used to do a lot
of interviews with hip hop artists and models and stuff
like that over the years.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Right for native entertainment, especially.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
And even back in three I started the magazine called
Mafia Magazine and that was an all native hip hop publication,
right and yeah, even through the years as a metal head,
I'm a I'm a metal head. I'm a death head
to the core, right, Like that's my Like, there was

(32:33):
something about metal that just caught my attention back in
the day when I was when I was a kid, and.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I've always found it the opposite bro metal heads.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Well, it's in my experience from back when I used
to hang out with a lot of my heads.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Metal heads coolest.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Fuck laid back, love, the joke around, fuck around, fuck
off hip hop guys, really egotistical, trying to be all that.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You know, models.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I don't even want to hang out with models, and
I have no interest bro, no interests. Like they're like
they they're so they can be so rude and condescending
and and like they think they're the center of the
world because everybody wants to get in that pussy, that judge,
you know, And I'm yeah, and it's it's which I understand,

(33:18):
I get it, you know, tits and ass, but there's
also having a rude behavior makes you look ugly to me,
you know, what I mean, and that's when of the things.
That's one of the things about musicians. There's a lot
of hip hop artists, not all hip hop artists, but
most of the hip hop artists I've come across over
the past twenty something years of doing this have been
kind of like just too much of an ego, you know.

(33:40):
And most of the metal heads that I've come across
punker's metal heads, So I lump them all in one,
and I know hate people.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
People hate when they do that, but metal to me is.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Metal, right.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You've got punk rock, hard rock, you know, death metal,
and you got all these sub sub sub sub genres
and all kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Get annoying too. It takes too long.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
It's like trying to introduce your claim, Oh I'm born
for this, and then yeah, like thirty minutes later, can
we get the meeting started.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
I don't know what the fuck we're here for.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
But so your experience is that metal heads are kind
of boogie decades.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, it was like that.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
So when I first started out, it was like that
because you know, they want to need to know everything,
Like we wanted to know what kind of guitar you had,
who's probably had it, like, you know, in a way
like famous musicians that.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah that that is a big that
is a big thing.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, Like yeah, Like I have a cheap I have
a cheap Harmony guitar here.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I've had since I been like fucking fourteen or something.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
My mom bought it from me, took me to a
pawn shop over here in Kurtland, and uh doot. I
thought it was a ying wee mel steam or something.
But I can still barely play three chords. And when people,
when people find out I played that guitar, they're like, oh.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
You're not a real musician. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
It has yeah exactly, it has strings.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I plug it in and.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Unlike like the way that I felt about it at
that time, because I was like really thirteen or fourteen
at that time when I first started my first songs
and you know my.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Shows and you were young, bro, young.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, I was young because I started my band when
I was a freshman in high school.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And that's now We're never now, We're never.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
No, no, not now or never. That was my other band,
Pro Accident.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Pro Accident.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah that would never started in twenty fifteen. Okay, okay,
so it's almost been.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be coming out ten years basically for
this band. But uh, when it comes to a pro accident.
I started at high school. I made some songs, and
then I started playing shows and I was borrowing geared
from like my brother, and I was borring like you know.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Amps and stuff like that until I got my own.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
And so there's like, you know, like I said, there's
like those metal heads that didn't like in a way
that you didn't know where you're coming from, and in
a way they thought, you know, stuff like that just
start judging you, I guess you would say, especially being
a young kid. Yeah. And so when I started playing

(36:17):
punk shows and I actually played with the punk musician,
they're like so cool. They wanted to actually drink with me,
even though I was like young at that time, I
didn't drink, so I was like, no, I can't drink
because you know, I was all worried about or whatever. Yeah, exactly,
but I thought it was cool. They just you know,
they would give me advice. They're telling me what to do.

(36:39):
And from there it's like I love playing with punk
bands because they're like, oh, you should do this, you
should do that, you should you know, you should, you
should get this pedal because it'll make your you know,
your bass or your guitar. It's not like a bass,
you know, and you just get a bassent too.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
They give me advice like that and what to do,
especially if you're like just a duo. That's what happened
to us because we did become a duo. We started
off with five musicians. That we became a duo and
that's what we stayed with for a while.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Wait, you're talking about now right now and never?

Speaker 4 (37:12):
No, that's a accident. Got time, okay, a long time ago.
This been back in like I would say, two thousand
and thirteen or twelve, and after that in twenty fifteen,
that's when I found uh, that's when I found uh

(37:33):
pro accident. We're not proaccident? Sorry now or never? And
that's when I that's when me and Jeff and Byron
and Levi started out.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
But then you.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Know, issues came up, people moved away, you know, other
people get caught up in their own life. And plus
COVID didn't help at all.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
How did you guys name why did you guys name it? Now?
And never?

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh? Now never?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
It's because Uh, honestly, I think because that's how we
felt because we're all these different type of musicians coming
from different bands, from you know, different genres.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
And this when we when we.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Made this band, we're making our music, We're like, you know,
this is now never like we're gonna make it or
we don't. You know, it's kind of like still me
and Jess motivation because we're still in that phase where
we make or break, you know, we still we do
or we don't, where we.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Need to try or we just give up.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
And from what I've been through with Jeff and everything
that's happened with Jeff, like, I think that I'm really
happy with what we went through to getting to you know,
getting to this point where we're at right now, because
I'm happy about it because I'm I'm thirty one and

(39:00):
I've been playing music since, like I was saying, like
fourteen or thirteen, and I always thought I was gonna
make it with other bands. I even joined other bands
like country bands, I joined indie band. I did rap
with one of my friends. I was gonna ask you
about it. One of my friends. His name is Corey Clee.
He's from Albuquerque area, but he's he's a rapper. He

(39:24):
does beats and he does stuff for Uh, what's her name?
I think it was like, I can't remember her name.
It's a he's a female rapper from Albuquerque as well.
And I think her last ning is but Gay Bernelli.
But anyways, I did rap with him, you know, just

(39:47):
like scratch tracks, like we didn't publish them or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wait, you were gonna ask me about something.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Oh yeah, Corey Corey Klee. I don't know if you
know him as a rapper. You said you did Wrap two,
but he's out. He's from Albuquerque area. He's someone that
I did.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Did we jam together? Did he say we jam together with?

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (40:10):
No, I just asking in general because oh, you know,
just the other musicians.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, I have no idea, dude, Like the when I
was when I was down there, it was such a blur.
We were working like twenty eight hour days and ten
hours yeah, ten weeks, ten weeks, ten day weeks. It
was just a blur of people coming in and out,
in and out, in and out and interviews and you
know stuff like that. So I mean I might have

(40:37):
I might have met him. Cleave, if you're out there
apologize if I if.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
But anyways, uh, from that, Uh, I did all my
you know, other other trying trying to make other bands,
but it didn't work out. And that's why I started
making you know, I started making money, and I started
collecting instruments and I just started coming. I came back
here and I was like, I still want to start

(41:04):
a band here in winder Rock. And that's I think
that's the whole point about now Never Tune is that
there's not a lot of musicians that's from the wind
Rock area are staying on the reservation to make it.
And that's what we're trying to do. Like we're still
trying to live here in winder Rock and still trying
to make it. But it is it does have its challenges,

(41:26):
like being a Native American musician.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Are you saying that a lot of musicians that you
know are leaving the reds to go try to make
it off the resume?

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah, so some people, like you know, they moved to
the nearby cities, or they moved to the other yeah,
you know, like they moved to Phoenix or they well.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
It's it's fucking hard, right, I.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Mean, yeah, exactly, I'm pretty sure you've had your moment
of doubts many times where you just threw in the towel.
You get pissed off and you it and then you
go back and you pick up the town and you're like, no,
I'll give it one more shot, and then you keep
doing that. So it's a repetitive cycle from musicians and
people who love music. I'm a fucking clear example of that.
I don't know how many times I've thrown in the
towel on this ship, like ah, fuck this, and then

(42:07):
I get pissed off, I kick rocks, and I come
back and I pick up my towel. I'm not fucking
do it one more time, because because you you gotta
love inside of you. That's what it is, right, there's
a love inside your fucking chest.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It's music.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Music was probably your first love, and that's probably why
you're passionate about it. And then the second thing is
you probably love being novel, probably love being native, and
you love where you're from, so you want to see
it made from where you're from, Right, that's what you
want to see. And I get that one hundred percent.
I feel that, And even though I don't live in
Shiprock anymore. You know, I just live right outside of Shiprock.

(42:43):
I live in Farmington. And every time I would do anything,
anytime I would release an album, anytime anything would happen,
I would drive home and I would release it back
at home. I didn't give a shit if if I
had enemies waiting for.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Me over there, or haters and whatever, because there was
a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
There's a lot of fucking haters, right yeah, and the
always all the time, and I would always go back
and everything I issued, very first thing I issued out,
whether it was the first print of the magazine, first
print of a shirt, first print of a CD, I
would always take it home to my mom and I
would tell my mom, Shamama, none of this would be
possible without you, this is and I would always talk
about how much I love her and appreciate her and

(43:18):
all that stuff, and you hearing a lot of if
you ever listened to any of my music under Jake
Lani or Good or Gun or any of the music
I make. I always talk about ship Rock and all
kinds of stuff. And I was doing it at a
time when nobody fucking gave two shits about Shiprock.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
YEP exactly, and so I feel like that's the same
way with like winder Rot. It's like when you go
off the reservation with the jobs I had too, like
on a site. Story is that I used to work
on the pipeline and used to do a lot of
different jobs for that and move everywhere, but going to

(43:53):
other places where some people don't know Native Americans still exist.
And it's crazy sometimes to even comprehend that people in
the United States still believe that Native Americans are extinct basically,
And the whole point of me trying to make it
with my band, like with my music, is also to

(44:16):
bring awareness that we're still here, you know, Native Americans
are still here, We're still around.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
That seems that seems to be the number one theme
for everybody, is that we want to all yell out
that we're here.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
And yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I don't know if I've ever had that need.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like my kind of thing is like I give a
fuck if you think we're hearing that, all right, I
don't give a ship, you know, but but I get
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, I think it's just because the reason why I'm
named Nabahi is because it means warrior and it's also
behind my grandfather.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
His name is Samuel Billman and he was a co talker.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
So you know, so this is your real name, yeah,
I thought.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Not a made up name. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That's what my mom my mom gave me because of
my my my grandfather Samuel and uh and when when
I was named that too, it was kind of funny
because even behind my name, uh, it was because of
Charlie Hill I think it was his kids.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It was another comedian.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
Yeah, he was talking about his kids and he's saying
that one of them was named Matani, one of them
was named the Bahi want a name, one of them
was named Nanea.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Then the other one was named like Charles or something
like that.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
And you know, everyone laughed about it because you know,
the last name is not even native is just like
you know, Charles or some I guess you would say,
some white white name.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
And but that's exactly like his His kids were all
name Native Americans.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I was the last kid he had.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Did you name your kids European names or native names?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
My son, my son, he has my name Nabahi. So
he's a he's a junior basically bad.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Ass, badass. I actually have an episode. I was experimenting
with doing podcasts for a while and I had a
podcast called The Good or Kind Podcast, And yeah, I
don't remember what episode number it is, but the title
of it is something like why do Navajo's name their
kids after Europeans? Or why did now Who's name their

(46:35):
kids after conquerors?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
And in in that podcast, I actually I questioned why,
as the now people we do that? Like for me,
I can understand, I I can understand. My name is
fully like Spanish because I'm half Spanish and half Navo, right,
and so my name is Tito if you say it

(46:58):
with that proper role annunciation. Right, So you can say
Tito guitarist in the chef or in chief Tito Guitaris,
depending on who you're fucking talking to, because everybody.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Says you say and this chef last, oh you say
and this chef.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
First, depends on who the fuck you talk to and
what navajo co talk you you encounter from fucking bachelor's right, So,
because because everybody's a goddamn genius and ship.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
But yeah, and uh.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And you can tell him a real editable guy, because
I get tired of talking to people because everybody's a
fucking know it all, but nobody knows jack Ship. So yeah,
in that podcast, I was asking the question, why is
it that uh Navejo people specifically because I'm Novo and
I love and care about navel people, right, I can't
talk about sir showties, gunk wins or whatever else.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I'm not them.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
So I know for a fact, because I uh, around
where I'm from and all the places I travel run
through Navo country, You're gonna meet somebody who's like beating
his chest.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Full blooded, full blooded pride, and then like, oh, what's
your name?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Patrick?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Oh what's your name? Sean? What's your name? Jacob?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
And they always named some name that has nothing to
do with being native. I know it's not their fault,
they didn't name themselves, But the question is, why do.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
We do that? Why do we do that?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
We've been and then and then we have this generational
history of being beating our chests about native pride, native land.
This is Neva Holandi's native country and all this is
stolen land and land back and all this fucking horseshit, right,
because I don't believe in land back.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I don't believe that all of this was stolen. Some
it was stolen, yeah, because of.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Shady deals, fucked up deals, things that were supposed to
be legit that weren't right. And so the so those
are the ones I'm like, all right, cool, yes, Uh,
New York needs to go back to the fucking original
natives that that it went to, right, because that deal,
that deal was that that was a shady ass fucking deal.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
But when it comes to land that we lost. Hey,
I watched fucking UFC all the time and I see
guys getting their ass kicked and then they fucking raised
their hand with the other guy and say, hey, I lost.
That's what I'll come back on the next one. And
as a Native people, I kind of think we we
are beat. We are conquered mentally, spiritually and socially, and

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and it shows because most of our people have non
Navajo names. We we say changing Doy white man, I.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Hate him, right and uh.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
But yet then we turned around and say, what are
we name that kid that we just had?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Oh, Billy, but your it sounds like your sounds like
your family had the right right idea though, like they
you know, like they named you a strong, a strong
Navajo name, right, And you did that to your kids,

(49:49):
So it sounds like you got you are getting some
good teachings. Everybody out there listening all your fucking kids.
Here's the fucking challenge. Name your kids something cool in Navajo.
If your kid is Navo or Native in some way,
you know, don't just talk about being ave and land
back and all this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Prove it standard walcket.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I want to. I want to.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I want to start running into two Native kids with
their fucking cool names. I mean, with your kid's name, Oh,
his name.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Is whatever the fuck the cool name is, uh outside
bread exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
And I feel like the part about that too is that.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
When it comes to the naming of you know, of
a kid and a child is like it's so sacred too.
And when it came to my son, I knew that
I wanted him to be after me. He's my one
and only son too, and I'm really you know, proud
of him. You know, the part of me that I'm

(50:46):
happy about myself is like even being around and being
present and trying to be in a way.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Just shower him with love. Because as for my dad, my.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Biological dad, he he passed away, and then my stepdad
he passed away as well, but my stepdad was from cirrhosis.
My actual dad was possible just accidental crash. They don't
know whether he was drunk or he fell asleep out
of the will. You know, it was kind of like

(51:17):
too much of a time lapse to where they could
identify why he passed away.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
But even with that, you know, like I've always made
it my goal to be conservative, like we're drinking, like
I don't go all out and all that stuff. With
all that just because of what happened with my actual
dad and my stepdad. And then on top of that,

(51:44):
you know, even the background of like I guess he
would say with Native American history and how everyone I
guess he would say.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Stereotypical about Native American people. It's like you know or anything,
we're all, you know a drunks.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Did you talk about that in the music, like do
you guys reach?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Like what?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
What?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Because I know I know you got, I know you
got that's a burger.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
That's a burger.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
It was about Hamburg community. And then you named another
song what what are some of your song names that
you can get?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
You get.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
I think one of the songs that talks about it well,
I'm going to reveal it now, but it's not gonna
be until the second album comes out.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Second.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
We are working on a second album, yeah, and we
recorded three songs for that.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
One so far, but we don't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
And this, you know, this this album in a way,
because this, this album is more or less like for
all the early stuff that we made, you know, all
the early kind of like stuff that.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
So this is an album.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
This is an album that you're taking all your past
demos and you're making them into your you're actually solidifying
him into actual songs, into an album.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, okay, yeah, in a way.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
And then on top of that, when it comes to
the song that talks about that, it's called hell No,
but it's more or less based on like how it
is in the country and.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Some points. You know, it's the first part of the verse.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
It talks about how you're internal like you're trying to
spill out all your guts about like you're into your
music basically into like what you're singing, what you're playing.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
And then the second yeah, the second.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Tell me the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Uh, and so it says, hold on, let me I
haven't written down.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Dang, you know what I'm I heard myself echo in
the back. I'm really hoping that when this thing is
done recording that there's not an echo in the back.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You don't got headphones on? Huh?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
No, I do have headphones? Actually do you? I do
have I have AirPods, Okay, AirPod pros. Yeah, I hear so.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
And so it says, it says, what do I really
want to be when I grow up? Spilt into all
of my guts this music that I played today, This
is the only way. And that's the first verse, and
it goes into like just another punk, all beat up

(54:25):
and stuff, singing hell no, You'll never take me because
I'm true anarchy singing hell no. So that's kind of
like I guess you would say, against the system, against
the US system, the justice system, and like, you know,
being a true anarchist, as Native American people too, becaucause

(54:49):
I would say that Native Americans in itself were in
a way of the first in a way punks too,
just because we were built against the government for our land,
for every thing that we even the little things that
we have today, you know, are our people fought for it.
And then it goes into the second verse, which talks about.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I'm wondering if you're about my home. I'm sorry, I'm
wondering if you're if you're EarPods are actually the batteries
are dying because there's like a digital squeltch like when
you when you're talking there for a little bit. So
just keep going, do whatever you're gonna do. I just
want to let you know that we maybe I don't
know if you hear it or not in your ears,
but I hear it on my end.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Can you hear now?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah? Yeah? Good?

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
But the second the second part of that verse, it
talks about like you're not having enough funding for even
our own education and our own system here. And then
the third verse talks about how people can vote for
a person that sells selfish, that doesn't think about everyone

(56:02):
as like a democracy, which we're supposed to be as
a country, but they think of selfishly about themselves, you.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Know, basically the wealthy.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
And in my eyes, that's wrong because when it comes
to even Native American history, with like my background with
Navo Hope history, and.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I'm also sacking Fox and absentee Shawnee, and.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
They all talk about a time when we we all
used to get along as Native American people. We used
to not be enemies amongst each others, or we would
actually have meetings on our own system, of our own trading,
what we're gonna do, and how we're even going to

(56:51):
migrate bison all away from the north all the way
to the south, and as not only as name of
American people, as one tribe, all the tribes negotiated that
because it was something that everyone needed to live. Because
it's not like one of them had, you know, one

(57:13):
herd and another one had one heard.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It was all one herd together that used to migrate.
And so that's how you could see buffalo robes all
the way from north all the way to south, but
even all the way down to Mexico. Talk, I guess
you would say they have.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Trade goods like that, and even stuff that's not even't
supposed to be up here.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I mean, I mean there was trading, but I mean, yeah,
there was.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I think too many, too many natives fall into this
romantical idea of who we were, and I just I
don't buy into that, like I used to a long
time ago, when I was really naive. I used to
I'm not saying you're naive I'm just saying me, when
I was naive, I used to buy into a lot
of stuff, and I just I don't buy into it anymore,

(58:04):
Like this idea that there was a utopia before Europeans came.
And I used to believe that colonization was one hundred
percent bad. I now don't believe it's one hundred percent bad.
I mean, look at you and I. You're you're playing instruments,
you're singing into a mic, You're going to concerts, You're
pursuing a passion, You're expressing a voice on how you feel.

(58:27):
Other people are also enjoying that music, audibly ingesting it.
You made some badass music video that I've been watching
several times for that's a burger, And all of that
has to do with colonization, you know, like before before colonization.
I'm not and there's no way I'm advocating for the

(58:48):
fucking mass genocide that happened. I'm just saying that we
always look at as Native people were always telling each
other and we're brainwashing each other with this bullshit that
we should be.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Mad at the man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
But there were plenty of our own people that sold
us out look at Pontiac, one of my favorite heroes
of all time. Pontiac, the dude went. The dude was
just nobody. And then he saw there was a problem.
The Europeans were coming and they were gonna decimate everybody.
So he went to all these historically warring tribes, right,

(59:23):
And he went to these tribes one by one, and
he amassed hundreds and hundreds of people from a multitude
of different tribes who historically were always butchering each other, right.
And so he was he was a very notable statesman.
He was able to converse with different people. And I
believe he probably used hantok, which is the origin of

(59:45):
modern sign language, right, And so I believe he used
hantok because you can't speak the same language and all
these different regions, right. And so he went and he conversed,
and he convinced all these people that we need to unite,
We need to unite. Did front to fight against the
Europeans because they're coming in and they're murderous, right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
But who but who killed him? His own people. Our
own people murder our own people all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
And so when when people say that we were all
this happy, go lucky tribe and all these people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, I think that we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Were not gonna say that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say it's like that all the time,
because there are thorians in the Heppie histories too about
even like a whole village getting uh in a way
uh slaughdered basically by their own people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I'm obviously like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
I'm not saying that it was so peaceful like that,
but I'm saying that there was a Native Americans had
their own organization system to where it was okay for
all these yeah, all these other tribes. But I'm not
saying that it was one hundred percent peaceful all the time. Yeah,
everyone has disputes, and you know, everyone has their own.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Fuck, I have relatives.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I have relatives right now that fucking always fighting over
land with them exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
The way over there. That's that's not yours, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
But hey, let's let's let's wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Let's wrap it up he real quick, because I I
I promise you that we're gonna be talking for five minutes,
and I apologize. I'm really interested in your story, and
but I want to hear tell me something about the music.
Can you can you can you upload it to the
to the website. Are you guys gonna make music videos
for more more songs?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Do you guys have any plans for that? You guys
have plans for dates?

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
I honestly think that we're gonna try to make one
more music video for this first album. And when it
comes to the album itself, like I said, it's gonna
be released in September. And the only other event that
we have that's gonna be coming up soon is we're
actually gonna be playing in San Carlos.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Uh, Apache Reservation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
All the way by Glow Yeah, Arizona, Yeah, and so
uh we're playing out there this this weekend, this Saturday,
and then on the first week of the fair, we're
trying to get a show together for U for us
and kind of like our our label, our label meets

(01:02:21):
and our label to you know, promote ourselves and promote
your label.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
The people you guys are label.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
You guys started a record.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
Label, No, we started, We're underneath the Doghouse Record label.
That's who we're with right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
So tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
So they're the ones that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Do you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Do you guys get publishing publishing rights from are you
do you guys have publishing companies. Uh, I don't think so, Okay,
I'm gonna advise you right now. You guys, as individuals,
you need to create publishing companies. I don't care what
you call it, but you get you got to protect
yourself with your music. And then also, there's two sides

(01:03:02):
of every song. There's there's let's call it the publishing side,
and then let's listen to let's let's call it the
music side. For lack of just quick quick draft, there's
two sides of the music. You have to you have
to be able to claim both sides of the music
so that you can one of these days. Because you
said you want to make money from your music, which
is not that's nothing bad with that. That's that's capitalism.

(01:03:23):
That's Americanism. That's America.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
That's fucking America.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
I love it, and so there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
So if you don't do that, if you don't create
yourself a publishing company, each one of you guys, to
protect your to protect your percentages of your royalties, you
never know if you're gonna blow up. You never know
if your music's gonna end up in a in a
fucking in a movie or some shit. Right, and then
if if if the record label is the only one

(01:03:54):
collecting money, because I don't I don't know how you
guys are collecting money, but you need to make sure
to collect your money on both ends of your music. Okay,
So looking to creating a publishing company.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You have to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Okay, I'll look into that too. Yeah, Like right now
we're with the Doghouse. We haven't you know, legally signed anything.
We're just like word of mouth. But we're upcoming. We're
re upcoming up as a band because, like you were saying,

(01:04:29):
it was just me and Jeff in the video and
that's how it was and how it's been for the
past couple of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
I guess you would say three years, four years, because
we had people that came in on and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Off that were the basis, but we never had anyone
that would stick with us and you know, on their
end or our d you know, we didn't we didn't
click or you know, things came up with them all that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But right now we have Ray as a basis and
we're happy to have them. You know. Yeah Ray, Yeah,
the former singer lead singer of Yeah Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
He's the He's the basis for us now, and so
that's why I'm really happy about it too, because honestly,
like if things didn't happen the way they did back then,
I think that we can win somewhere faster, and you know,
in a way like we would have got somewhere faster

(01:05:40):
if we all stayed together. And in my opinion, because
I know that Ray's talented, I know Ruben's talented. You know,
even Byron and Levi, they're all talented musicians. Like I'm
not going to discourage them and say that like they're nothing,
but I'm just like, really, uh, you know, it makes

(01:06:01):
me kind of sad that things ended, you know, like
I feel like we can continue to make good music
with everybody and even with Ray if we just stayed together.
But it ended, you know because of other things like
you know, him leaving or whatever was going on. And
oh yeah, backstory to Ray Guring really quick is that

(01:06:23):
I did get kicked out from Ray Guring.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
And that's when Ray, Ray.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
And Rubin kicked me and Byron out for the band officially,
and you got your that's only.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
I don't know what you're moving around in there, but
it sounds loud.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Oh yeah, that was a bottle felt sorry, but I
was gonna say uh yeah. When we got kicked out,
that's when we were like, all right, we're just gonna
fully go with this band. We didn't name it, and
that's when we felt like it was right to call
it now or never, because we're gonna make it hour,
we're never gonna make it at all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
And and I liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
I really did like that that name, and there's some
other names I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
It never sounds like a band that that like. It
just sounds like a famous band. It sounds like it's memorable.
It's it's catchy. I can I can imagine seeing shirt design.
So I'm I'm wishing you guys are best of luck.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Yeah, And I'm excited because me and Japan working hard.
We're the only two that did record this first album,
Faith Collide, and then we did record three other songs
that's gonna be on the next album on top of that,
and we're planning to go back into the studio hopefully
sooner than later, and finish up the second album and

(01:07:54):
just kind of have a momentum building up, you know,
And we're still I guess he was saying we're still rebuilding.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
So we're rebuilding.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Doghouses are a fresh new label, so we're working with
them and we totally respect and we love everything we're
doing with them right now. And when it comes to,
uh going forward to the future, you know, all we
want to do is release music and play different places,
live on it somehow, and you know, adventure to like

(01:08:30):
I guess you would say, being a really good role
model to our kids because son Jeff has his son,
I have my son, and basically we're trying to be
the fathers of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
That our sons can look.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Up to, you know, like we chased after our dream
and accomplished it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah, well, I and and I think they if I had,
if I had my pops was in a punk band,
I'd be like, yeah, my dad's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
At the punk band.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
So the the new album's coming out in September. It's
called Fates Collide, correct, Yeah, Fates Collide by now or never,
And you guys are gonna put some of that music
on Native n T dot com. So anybody out there listening,
if you want to jam out, I'm gonna get some
music up there this week, probably whenever I get this

(01:09:23):
interview up I'll put it on the same page so
you guys can jam on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I'll see if I can take the in.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Bed from the SoundCloud or wherever and then pop it
in there, because I think after hearing you guys have
you guys have an interesting story. So I think after
hearing this, and I'm the kind of guy I like
listening to bios and hearing bios of people and stuff.
I was just watching the beast Beastie Boys interview yesterday
with the with the team Coco because I love music, bro,

(01:09:52):
I love music. I want to know about people's origin
stories and where the fuck they're going. But no, Bai,
I appreciate you taking the time today. I I would
love to catch up with you again in the future
and just kind of get some little tidbits and and
you know, info on new albums or when you come
up with a new song. I'd like to be able
to play it here on native vnt dot com and

(01:10:12):
then be able to maybe talk about it and then
break down the breakdown the lyrics and and all that.
And then if you have a music video coming out,
I would love to have that showcase here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Okay, yeah, that'd be awesome, you know, that that would be.
It sounds great to me, and next time, you know,
we'll have jeff in and we'll all talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, thank you for having me
on the interview. I really had fun talking to you too.
I really enjoy this stuff. And even we have had
interviews before. Yeah, I think this one was pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Hey, appreciate it. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Yeah, and uh yeah, just let me know, like once
the album drops, I'll let you know about that though,
like you said, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I want to break it down. I want to talk
about lyrics. I want to I just have a normally
when I talk to somebody, I initially just want to
talk about like getting to know them and stuff like
what we're doing here, and then and then after this,
I want to talk about music. And then because basically
I'm interested in your music. Why did you do that chord?
Why did you hit the drum head there? Why did
that do a breakdown right there? You know, why did

(01:11:23):
you say this at a certain point? You know, stuff
like that, And we'll do that with I want to
dissect your music because I really want to know, because
I don't I don't ever hear anybody in an Aida
marketplace breaking down lyrics, breaking down the music, and that's
what I love. I want to I hear that with
mainstream artists, you know, like people are like, oh, Metallica
did this for this reason, or you know, these guys
did this, five Finger did this and that and whatever,

(01:11:45):
and I'm like, cool, that's cool. But I want to
know why sheep Heads did that acoustic jam. I want
to know why Billy Crawley is making country music and
you know, you know things like that, right, because I
have a deep fascination with this, but no, by here,
I appreciate it. I'm going there and you have a
great evening.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Yeah, yeah you too. Thank you later, broh Lady