Talking with RIPPY from the Death Metal band SACRED BLOOD

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up, everybody. I'm on the phone with Rippy
from Sacred Blood. What's up, Rippy?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hanging out over here in Gallup?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yeah, doing the Gallup mishaps and kicking back and watching
the semi.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Trucks drive right through in nine forty nothing else to
do in Gallup tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's pretty boring.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
So you you just had a death in the family,
and I want to I want to send my condolences
because I don't know too much about it, and you
can mention whatever you want to mention about it, but
I just, uh, I just want to send you my
condolences because I know how it is to lose someone close,
especially when it's family members and your kids and whatever.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I was married to her and we we.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
We were together during the time that she was like
with me, during the time.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
We started Sacred Blood, and I remember like around the time,
like I was just kind of promoting shows and Gallop
because I had moved back from I got out of
the Marine Corps in August.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Twelve, two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
And then during the time in the Marine Corps, like
the last nine months I was out there in the
southern California area. I was going to a bunch of shows,
Like there's bands like Migraine, Livid, twenty Dead, Flower Children,
Massacres Zero, Ultra Spain, like all these bands that were
just like tearing it up into Southern California scene. I
was going to a show like every other night, and

(01:22):
which is really cool, Like they're in Huntington Beach in
the Viper Room. I would go to Clip three sixty
nine in Fullerton, the Glasshouse and Pomona up in the
Troubadour in Hollywood, House.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Of Blues, the Roxy, the.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Whiskey of Go Go, Like just a bunch of shows
like every other night.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I would be cruising for a show. And then so
I got out of the Marine Corps, I moved.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Back to Gallup and I'm like, damn, it would be
nice if there was a metal scene here.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
So what I did is I went out scouting, Like
I went out on September of two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I went to the Navo Nation Fair and there was
a metal band that.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Cruise Buy on a float, Ethnic Degeneration.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
And Holy, Holy Holy, these guys sound really good. They
kind of had that same sound that that there was
a band from southern California called Livid, and I was like, dude,
these guys totally.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sound like Livid from southern California. And so they announced, Hey,
we're playing at the Dan C. Jackson Memorial Arena tonight
if you guys want to check us out. The show
starts at eight o'clock. It's like five bucks to get in.
So I was like, you know what, I'm going to
go check that out.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm going to go meet these guys. And then so
I went to the show. I met Beast and I
met Billy and Cooter.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
And then so I was talking to them, I'm like, hey, dude,
I'm going.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
To be setting some shows up in Gallup. I have
a security license, so I haven't set a show up yet.
I'm going to see what I need to do as
far as.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Like stage, sound lights and all all that stuff. But
I'm like once I once.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I get everything set up, I'm like, hook me up
with a number I'll give you as a call. So
they gave me a number, and then not too long later,
I was up in Farmington. They had a place called
Anasazi In. We used to call it ana Yazi's In
and there was a band out there called Mole Sport.

(03:08):
They had like a native Navaju drummer, and then.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Uh and I mean they were a really good band,
Like I really thought those guys were gonna like hit
the big time. I really dug the way they sounded.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And then Uh ran into the Horny Toads. They were
from the Nauzza and then Uh, then I Rap.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Then Dang Tribe from flag from flag Staff and then
so the first one.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Of the first shows I set up.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
In town was was like I think them four bands.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
There was a local band called Cause of Death, like
at the time, like I don't know, there probably were
more bands and Gallop, but that's the only band I
knew of that was like metal in this area. And
then there was another band, but they were like a
Moley Crue cover band. But I think I booked them
for a show one time and they were like they
were playing a bunch.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Of Molley Crew. And then all the bands that came on.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
After were like way heavy and like yeah, they're like
now I don't book that Mally Crue cover band anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
And so yeah, then from there, like it was just
mainly them five bands. It was then five bands.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
So about fast forward a year my brother gets out
of the Marine Corps and he comes back together they
started a band.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Called G Spot. The Spot ended up becoming Bloodlined, so
it was so then so from.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
That point I started setting a lot of shows up.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
With U G Spot.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Hold hold On, hold On, hold on. So your band
G Spot became Bloodline. Is that the same Bloodline.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
That Laura and Anthony was in?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, So so they were called G Spot before
and then that's when my brother was playing with them,
and then they went to Bloodline and then so like
I think my brother played with them for about a year,
so but I would book them and.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Then so at the time I joined the band called.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Drazzle, and so I was playing bass for Drazzle and then.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
We started we started playing a lot. We would get out.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
We would play at the Attic in Albuquerque with the
Albuquerque thing. We made good Bros with uh forty four
Dead minus seven against the Green out in that area.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
So they used to invite us out for a.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Lot of shows out that way, and then this area
we started playing a lot, like a lot, and then
that's when when Hemlock would come through we met.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Them and then they would like I remember, we did.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Like three dates with them. We played in Gallop one day,
came into one day, and then ship Rock for another show,
and then yeah, then from there we like, I did
the Drazzle thing for about a year and nine months,
and then.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
I remember our the drummer ran.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Off with his girlfriend. They moved to Albuquerque and we stopped.
Then we just stopped doing shows all together.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So then I joined Tribis and then I was playing
bass for Tribis back then, and I think I played
with them up in until two thousand and four. But
during that time, I remember my kid's mom.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
That's when I met my kid's mom, and then she
was she kept telling me, she was like, hey, you're
always playing in the back room writing all these songs.
She was, why don't why don't you start a band
where where you're playing these songs that you wrote. And
then so I tried taking the songs to Tribis and
Peter was just like.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I don't know, like my like my writing style isn't
like really technical.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But Peter was just like, dude, I can't get that
rhythm that you're doing. You're doing some something kind of
weird and it just didn't fit. So so I met a.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Guy named don that he used to sing for a
band that they started in the rough called Engines, and
I was like, dude, I said.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I like your voice.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
My one of my favorite bands is Napalm Death, and
you kind of sound like the singer for Napalm.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Dude, you are one of the very few people that
fucking mentions Napalm Death ever. I I love I just
let me interject it, dude. The fucking the way when
I back in the day, when I got introduced to
uh Napalm Death, right, it was it was because one
day I was walking into seven out school in ship
Rock where I was going to school, middle school, right,

(06:54):
and this guy said, damn, dude, you look like you
could jam on some heavy ship. I had long ass
hair and all you can see is my nose, my
lips and shit.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And then and this other guy goes, fuck that man, Tito,
don't jam on anything heavy. He just fucking heavy ship.
He jams on his Metallica, And up until that point, bro,
I thought Metallica was fucking heavy. And and then he goes,
want you jam on this? And he gave me headphones
and it was death screamed, bloody gored, And I was
like what the fuck is this? Blew my mind? He said,
take it home, jam on it. And then and then

(07:22):
just after that, I was hanging out with my buddy Manuel.
This dude turned me on to all the fucking music.
And and I still remember the first time I heard
Napalm Death. It was from Scum and I just remember.
I just remember the way fucking Bonnie Greenaway's vocals are
when he does that thing, uhh, like when he when
you know those little inn intercuts, those little intersections where

(07:45):
he says this stuff like and like when when the when?
The when? When there would be a change, a tempo change.
Just the end of the day, I was outside jamming
on it. So I'm glad you mentioned Napalm Death.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, so, so I I remember that's that's that's who
he reminded me of. And so I was like, yeah,
I have probably, like I.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Said, I have these eight songs.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And then so he was like so, so initially I
was gonna play the guitar and.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Sing, but I liked his voice. But he told me
he was a drummer, and so I'm like, dude, okay,
come over, bring your drum set. And then he's like, yeah, man,
I don't have a drum set. So I was like,
uh okay. So I ended up ordering a Tama rock Star.
It's a nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
One model and it was black, and I thought, you
know what, Lars used to play Atama, so let me
get a Tauma And so it came in and I remember,
I'm like, damn, this sounds nothing like Metallica's drum set
because at the time I didn't know how to tune
him or nothing. And then they came with this is stockheads,
and I'm like, damn, this drum set sucks. But like later,

(08:51):
when I replaced all the heads, I put pro heads
on him.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, and then so so then I was telling.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Don, like, dude, I'm like right here.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I said, right here, I need some double kick like that,
and then then I'll be playing the riff and then
Don's like, show.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Me how you want me to do it, and then
I would be get behind a drum set.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
So you played drums, you played drums.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
My roommate in the Marine Corps used to have a
drum set in the room. I had a band when
I was in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Called Snack, and then we said we we used to
jam out in the room. Like we used to cover
like a system of the down like uh.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
There was a band in southern California called Drowned that
was really big and we used to cover a lot
of their songs.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
There was a band called Tony did Flower Children. We
said we need to learn about maybe three or four
of their songs and then so.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
We would play it like a and then we we
had like a few songs. But but all the guys
in the band were we were all in the Marine Corps.
We used to play in a there was like a
bar that they had there on the base cat Margarita thirty.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Three are there was a bar there. We used to
play there.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
All of these the heavy the rings that were into metal.
We'd come there and we have like big ol'd mosh
pits and stuff that there.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
We we We still invite a lot of the bands
that like that band Lit.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
You always hear their song on the radio that digit
Jim Jim Jan Dig and Chat Chimp changing my my
Worst Enemy Hello.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Hello so yeah good.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So anyway, we we used to invite them. They would
come down and here. Now they're like when I hear
them on the radio.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I crack up because like they were like when we
would invite bands to come play on the.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
On the bass, they were like the least.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Heaviest band and they would like people would be like, yeah,
that band sucks.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Dude in here like there's the only band that made
it on the radio.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's fun and.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, and then so like so, so I was playing
the drums and then Donald's kind of like, dude, wait,
He's like, why don't you play the drums man?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Because I'm like.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
I like the way you play. And I'm like, can
you do the double kick like that? He's like no,
no I can't. So I'm like, ah, damn it.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I guess I'm like, let's find the guitar player.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
My brother was just kind of standing back watching us.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
He was, hey, all play well, you guys man. So
I showed my brother the riffs, and.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Then my brother started jamming because he was playing with
Juice Spot at the time. And then so kind of
like we started this side band and then they're like
pusha we named the band, and I was like, dude.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
When I was.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
In the Rine Corps, I remember we were out in
Kuwait and uh, there was a lot there was four
other Navajos.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
And then so we would.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Always talk on the radio prior to because when we
would go on a convoy, they would put roadblocks, they
would put like big old boulders, they would like dig
like big old ditches for us.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So they're like just the people that lived in that area.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
When we would tell like where we were going in English,
they would like they would like kind of mess up
the convoys for us because.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
We would do them like at two three in the morning,
So it was kind of hard to kind of.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Get through like whatever obstacles they would put up for us.
So finally we started saying it in Navajo, and then
we would like we would always say it to Navajo.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Nobody ever knew where we were going once we started
doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
And then so one day are Plato you our battalion commander,
the name was a lieutenant Colonel Hudson.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
One day he calls all he calls all of us.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Up, and then he had a gallon of soda and
we had it drink soda for like nine months up
until that point.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And then I remember he had some Oreo cookies and
then he gave it to us and he's like yeah,
He's like I just want.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
To thank you guys for stepping up and using your
language to help us to set these convoys up. And
he goes, we haven't had any problems. Everyone's really praising
you guys.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
And he goes, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
What he was, there's a sacred blood that runs through
your VN. I do remember he said sacred blood, and
I just really love that.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I love that those two words together.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
So I was tell him the guys that story, and
I'm like, hey, I said we should name the band
sacred Blood. And I told him that story and they're like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, let's go with that sacred blood.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
And then so that's when we put that name right there.
And then I remember the first logo we did. We
just put a bunch of arrowheads in a circle. We
put sacred blood in like old English, and I thought
it would be cool if there was a handprint like
right there in the middle. And then I remember I
dunk my hand into some red paint and I want
to put it right there, but my hand was much
bigger than the design. And then so I said, don here,

(13:06):
you try it, because he went, don did it?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It just looked like big ol'd sausage fingers. And I'm like, no,
we can't do that. And then I said, Ryan, here
you do it, and here his.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
As his real long like snaggle fingers, and so I'm like,
that's not gonna work either.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So I called my daughter.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
My daughter was probably like maybe about a year and
a half, and I told her, I said, I said, hey, Bob,
put your hand in this this this paint right here,
and then stick your hand like right here.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
And then she did that, and you're a fit. The
logo perfect. And so that's so when you see that logo.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
That's my that's my daughter's hamprint when you were just
like like about a year.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And a half.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And yeah, and then from there we just yeah, we
we just kept kept going and.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Jammy and then so it got to the point.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
To where I remember with Trivis, we booked the show
down and uh, it was a three day show.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
The first night was supposed to be in a Nuts
and Bolts in Lost Cruises, second.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Night was supposed to be a Hurricane Alley on a
Saturday night in Lost Cruises, and then third night was
supposed to be in Mexico in Warez.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
And oh man, I can't remember the name of that place,
but it's like it's right there. Right when you walk
into Warez.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
There's the street called Santa Fe Santa Fe Street, and
it's just.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right there, right on the right hand side. There's like
a lot of death metal bands from Mexico. They play there.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
And then so we hooked up with two other metal
bands from down in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
And they were like, yeah, dude, just bring your guitars,
your bass, and then your sticks and then you guys
can just plug into our equipment.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
So we're like, yeah, yeah, that'll work. So we knew
we were.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Getting ready to take off, and then all of a sudden,
we can't find her drummer.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Our drummer at the time too, and he ended up
getting a girlfriend, kind of like the same story with the.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Previous band I was playing with and we couldn't find him.
So like the first day I called down the Nuts
and Bolts, I'm like, hey, dudes, we're not gonna make
it down. We can't find her drummer. And they got pissed.
They were like, dude, this sucks. Man. We had you
guys co headline the event.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's it, dude, We're never booking tribes ever again. And
click the hung up on me, and I was like, dude,
that wasn't even like my fault.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Man. Then so we went around.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
We thought, you know what, we're not going to cancel
the show tomorrow. We'll find our drummer and then we'll
get on the road tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So the next day, same thing. We went to his
mom's house, his aunt's house, his grandma's house, we went
to the chapter house. Hey haven't seen Homeboy, and nobody
knew where he was at. So we so finally I
called I called the Hurricane Alley and.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I'm like, yeah, man, we're not gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
We can't find her drummer.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Same thing. They got pissed off.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
And they're like, yeah, we're never booking you guys over again.
And so I was like, dude, this sucks.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
And then so I was I told the guys, I said,
I don't even think we're going to make that other
show because I said, we we can't find him two days.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
In a row. We're not going to find him tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
So I just called the guys down in a warez
and I'm like, yeah, dudes, we're not going to make
his Then they were pissed too. I'm like, you know what,
I'm going to leave this band, I said, But I said,
I play in another band. I said, you guys need
to bring my other band down there. So we got
to play those same three venus with Sacred Blood.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Not too long after after I had left Trivis and
just went to Sacred Blood full time.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I think it was probably about maybe a month or
two later, all those same venues booked this again with
Sacred Blood.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And then we went down and yeah, we got what
year was this? What year was two thousand and two?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Two thousand and two? Holy shit? Yeah, so too, so
you got out. Let's back up a little bit, so
you what year did you join the Marine Corps? Were
you in for four years or how long?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah? Yeah, I went in on August to limit nineteen
ninety six.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Nineteen ninety six, so I'm assuming right at the high school.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah. As soon as I graduated, went
to the recruiting office. I was actually going to join.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
The Navy, and then uh, Navy recruiter. I had a
sign on the door to says be back in forty
five minutes.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Rine Corps recruiters took his head out of the door,
snagged me right up. I was on the fly Fly.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
This was on a Thursday Sunday afternoon. I was flying
out to MCRDFND.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh shit, you didn't. You didn't do it, delayed entry
program or nothing. You said, fuck it, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, it was quick, it was really fast.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Why did you leave so quick?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I think I just wanted to get away from home. Yeah,
I didn't. I didn't like the home life.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I think I worked full time in high school. All
through high school, I was working full time at McDonald's
and I thought.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
No, dude, this can't be my life. I can't. This
can't be it. It has to be something bigger and
more meaningful out there. And like, I just wanted more.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I wanted more of something. I didn't know what it was,
but I wanted more of something. So yeah, and then
so I watched the movie.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think it was uh. I think it might have
been Face Off that you know with John Travolta and
Christian Slater.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Remember they were like in the Air Force or something,
and I was like, dude, I wouldn't mind doing that.
And so that's why when I went to the recruiting
station at the mall, there was no Air Force there.
And then so I was looking for planes, and I
seen a plane on a ship on the Navy recruiters office.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
That's why I'm like, all join these home boys right there.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
And then uh yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I said be back in forty five minutes. Forty five
minutes later, that Navy recruiter wasn't there, and there was
a guy that was walking down. He had a really
weird hair cut, and he's like, what are you doing
out here?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Man? I said, I'm I'm gonna join the Navy, and
he's like, no, no, come over here and join us.
And then I was like, I was like, oh dude,
I'm cool. I'm gonna join the Navy. And then he didn't.
Then I was still sitting out there like fifteen minutes later,
and he stuck his head out. He's like, hey, how
about this.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
He's like, I'll buy you lunch anywhere you want here
in the mall if you just come over here and listen.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
To what the Marine Corps has to offer. And I thought,
you know what, I'm gonna take him up on this offer.
I'm going to order I'm going to order a lot
of food, eat it, and I'm still going to join
the Navy. And here we went. That's when they first
opened subway at the mall and yellow. Yeah. So I
ordered a number one number one, which was a meat
bulls up put along. I got three cookies, two bags
and chips and a large soda.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Went back to the recruiter's office. There was a little
TV right there with a VHS player attached to it. Yeah,
little combos, and he put this video in and these
marines are jumping out of the airplanes and like repelling
off of a tower and.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
All running through the jungle with a gun. And I'm like,
that's what I want to do right there, and he.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Goes, all right, wellt's see, I'm gonna pull so you
can do I jump up on the pull of bard
did some pull ups.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
He's like, let's see how many setups you can do.
I did some setups. He said, let's go for a run.
And that's where that side of town there was nothing.
There was no home deeopo, no walmar.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Let's go for a run right now.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, So we took off and I kept up with
him the whole time and he's like all right, he
was like, he goes, I think you'll do good. He's like,
I'm actually sending a bus out with another guy to
go to MEPs because he was the Military Interests Processing
Station is open on Friday. So he goes, I'm I'm
sending another guy up tonight.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You want to go? And I was like hell yeah.
And then so I called my dad. I'm like, hey, Dad,
I'm gonna sleep at a friend's house.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
He's like, yeah, go for it, and I said okay,
and then so I got on the bus and then
ended up downtown Albuquerque. Then the Howard Johnson picked us up,
took us up to the hotel. They gave us a
shit to eat at the Carrows. We had dinner there,
went to sleep. They woke us up at five in
the morning, told us to go meeting at Carrows.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
We had a breakfast, went down to the.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
MEPs and I passed everything and then they asked me
when I wanted to leave, and I.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Didn't even get to think about it.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I just said as soon as I can. And then
here they're like all right, They printed my orders.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was leaving Sunday and then they put me back
on a bus.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Got back to Gallop Friday night, called my dad, he
picked me up, and then uh next day.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I didn't tell nobody I was leaving.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I just kind of visited all my friends and family
and I didn't tell him I was leaving.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I just kind of went to like see them and
then yeah. Then Sunday, the recruiter like told me, like,
quit the.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Pack and I packed my bags and all that, and
then I heard a knock on the door and I
ran back to grab the bag that he told me
to pack.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Then my dad was talking to my recruiter. My dad
just looked at me, He's like, are you really leaving?
I was like, yeah, see you guys later. And then
my brother, my brother was in his room jamming his guitar,
my sister was having her guitar, and my dad was
like the only person that I knew I was leaving
right then and there. And then uh yeah, I got
in the van took off.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And it's kind of funny because like three months later
after I had come back, my brother was like, no,
it's messed up.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
He goes, you just drove off and he's like you
didn't even look back.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
I was like, oh man, my dad, I was like, yeah,
I was.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I was just itching to get out and get out
of town.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I know, that's the way it is right because like,
like I looked around. I remember I was so I'm
from ship Rock, right, And I remember looking at the
window one day and I remember seeing this and had
long hair. And I remember seeing this dude one day
and he was walking against the wind right and had

(21:25):
long hair, and he and he dressed like me. I
had had these torn jeans, you know, with the work booth,
saw the like just metal head guy, right and and
and I was always kind of scruffy and dirty and
ship you know, because I thought that's the way he
supposed to be. And I was standing out. I was,
I was standing by the front window at the of

(21:46):
the house and I looked at and I saw this
guy walking across the street, and I thought, that guy
looks like ship and I and I just and I
and I realized at that moment, that's what the fun
I look like. I looked just like that guy because
he had all the same type of clothes, the jans,
the fucking like everything. They had long, fucking boushy hair everything.

(22:10):
And I remember thinking to myself, what the fuck is
my life gonna go. I'm gonna end up getting murdered,
murdering somebody in jail something's gonna happen bad. And if
something's bad doesn't happen, I'm gonna be a thirty forty
year old man living at home with my mama, you know.
And like like a lot of these guys, you see
these women, these men that they have kids and they

(22:30):
live home with their mom, and you know what I mean.
And I was like, that's pathetic. I don't want to
do that shit. And I remember, I, uh, I made
the decision kind of like you did. But I was
gonna go in the Marine Corps. And I remember I
went to the recruiter, went to the recruiters.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It used to be.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Across here in Farmington. It used to be across from
a place called Archie's, a Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
And I remember that.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And I went over there and I remember looking at everybody.
I took my ass rab did the whole fucking nine yards,
and I was like, there's no fucking way I'm passing
this advab. I'm dumb as fuck. Math sucks, and so
I uh. And we visited everybody, the Air Force, uh, Navy,
everybody right, And I wasn't interested in the Navy, but

(23:15):
I went to go talk to them anyway. And then
I talked to uh, the Air Force guy, and the
Air Force guy goes, dude, you got really good scores.
And he goes, so you want to sign up? And
I was like, oh, we're gonna look at the Army
and these guys got to talk about the Marine Corps
and he's and he was he was trying to talk
to me. Out was like, why the funk would you
want to go over there? You can eat real steak

(23:35):
every night, and and and I was like and at
the time, I was a young kid, right like, I
mean not a young kid, but a young man. And
I and and that didn't that wasn't a big selling
point to me. I wanted adventure. When you're a young man,
you want an adventure. And so I said, well, let
me just go check see what these guys got. And
the guy was like all right, And I walked out

(23:56):
and I went to go talk to uh the UH.
I was walking over to the Army and the Marine
Corps guy was walking right there, and I went to
go talk to him. He just blew me off, like
get out of here, and so that kind of that
kind of irked me. So I just but I just
walked off and I talked to the Army guy. I
talked to the Army dude, and fucking he said, what
do you want to do? I was like, I want

(24:17):
to shoot shit, I want to blow shit up, I
want to jump out of planes, I want to do
the whole nine yards and I just want to go infantry.
I was like, fuck you, I don't know, and he
showed me some videos and stuff. I was like, yeah,
that's what I want to do, and then, uh, I
don't remember what happened, but I ended up walking out
and the Marine the Marine guy was over because I oh,
I think I told him. I said, let me just

(24:38):
see what the Marine guys got to say, and he
was like, ah, man, fuck the Marines, and uh so
I walked over to the Marine Corps guy. So everybody
was trying to sell me this one thing. I noticed.
The Navy guy was trying to sell me, the Air
Force guy, the Army guy. They're all trying to sell
me on what best they could do and how was
the best choice. I walked down the hallway and I
took a right I still remember the layout. I walked

(24:59):
in and down the hallway, took a right hand turn
at the very last room and the end of the hall,
and I remember in the there's two desks. One was
directly in front of me as you walk in. One
was on the left hand side, and there was a
devil dog. I don't know if it was like a
cookie jar or something, you know, with that bulldog and
uh yeah, and it was a badass dog sitting there.
And then it was red, you know, like that that
badass Marine Corps red and then the fucking big ass

(25:22):
fucking logo the you know, the Marine Corps globe and
globe at anchor I think it's called on the wall
right there, and there's two guys in these really lean
fit white dudes with the fucking landing strip, fucking high
and tight haircut that looks just ridiculous, but on Marines
it always looks fucking cool. And because the Marine Corps uniform,

(25:43):
you can have the worst haircut in the world, but
you put that uniform on. Fucking ah, that's just badass.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I walked in, you know, you know, when I
had come home one time, I'm with my dress blues on. Yeah,
the hottest chick in high school.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Oh yeah, I don't remember why I went.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
I went to the mall to see the recruiter that
they wanted me to do something that the recruiter's office.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
So I wore my blues over.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
There, and then like the girl that everybody wanted to
date in high school used to work at one of
the candy shops there in the mall, and.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Then I went over and I started talking to her,
and then so I was like, hey, I'm in town
for just a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I'm like, there's a I can't remember what movie had
come out, but I'm like, yeah, this movie's coming out.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
There used to be a movie a twin theater there
at the mall and yellop and then she's like, yeah, yeah,
let's go to a movie. And so I took her
to the movie.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
But prior to the movie, we went to Walmart because
I wanted somebody to see.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Me with her, but nobody.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Like normally, every time I came.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Home, I always ran into like people I knew, But
when I went on that date with her, I drug
that sucker out for like maybe eight hours, ran into nobody.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So still to the day, nobody believes ever went on
a date with her.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
That's the way, that's the way that goes all the
fucking time. Yep. But walked into that room and I
talked to the recruiter. I was like, hey, I'm looking
to see what you guys off to offer me, looking
to see what you guys have to offer me. And
the guy looked up. He was writing something on his
thinking was we ain't got shipped. Get out here, damn.

(27:14):
And I was like, what the fuck? And I turned around.
I started started to turn a walk down the hallway
and I turned around like huh nothing, And I looked
at the other guy and he goes and he got
ship funk out of here, and I just felt I
felt like, god, damn, oh, he's a motherfuckers because I

(27:35):
originally wanted to go in the Marine Corps. So I
was like, God, they don't want me, what the fuck?
And I was like, all right, well, uh well Army
wants me, so I want to. So I started walking
down the thing down the hallway and I turned around.
I went back in and uh, I said, hey, guys,
I really I'm trying to make a decision here. Can
you guys help me out? And I remember the guy, uh,

(27:57):
the guy. The guy leaned back in his chair, crosses
arms and uh, because why the fucker. You want to
be in the Marine Corps. Yeah, I saw you over
you were talking to the army guys. Those fuckers will
take anybody. Go ahead, go in there. We really don't
need anybody in the Marine Corps. And I just thought,
God damn, this is a hard sell, you know, like
some shit like that, right, And so he asked me questions.

(28:21):
He was like, so, why the fuck you want to
be in the Marine Corps? And uh, I said, I
don't fucking know. I don't know what I don't want
to do he and then he said, I mean, let
me tell you who you are. You're a loser, You're
a loner, nobody likes you, you don't like anybody else,
You're anti social. If those are the things that I
got right, then yes you need to bring in the
Marine Corps. Then the Marine Corps is a perfect fit

(28:41):
for you. But if you're not any of those things,
then any of these other branches will do great for you,
or some shit like that, right, And I said, no,
that's perfect, that's me. I'm fucking I'm all of those
goddamn things. I fucking don't like people, and blah blah
blah went down and he's like all right, and then
so he said, uh, let's let's see what's ah, let's
see what you're all about. So we also went on

(29:02):
a run. That's why I was laughing when you said it.
And I went repelling with them, and for for like
two weeks we hung out doing different things. They would
call me up and say, hey, Tto, you're gonna fucking
pull a trigger or what, let's gope and because at
first they tried talked me out of it, but we
went drinking beer together, We hung out, we went repelling.
I remember one time we were drinking and repelling and

(29:23):
they forgot they didn't tie the knot properly, and halfway
down this fucking rock face, Uh, I started feeling a slip.
So I was like, oh shoot, and so I started
speeding my way coming down. My hand's burnt on the
way down, and I opened and right when I was
about like six feet from the from the from the ground,
the knot gave way boof, and I hit the ground boom,
and we just fucking They gave me another beer and

(29:44):
I was like, these are the guys I want to
be with. But I ended up joining the army like
a dumbass. So you joined, So you joined in ninety
six and what was you what was your MOS?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I was for eighty one Landing. I was a Landing
Support specialist.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
But right away, right when I got done with my
MOS school, we deployed to Kuwait. And what they were
doing is that they sent a lot of the e
O D, the Explosive Ordnance Disposal teams out there. And
then so basically like we worked with him because as
a landing support specialist, we also worked as a helicopter
support team. So like so we would like load bring

(30:23):
gear in and out using the H forty six C
C Knights and the H fifty three C Stallions and
then like we would do we would do uh, we.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Would make it. We call it a crow's flip, like
where they could do landing and like moving people in
and out at night. And so basically like.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
We were the cleanup crew for Dessert Storm, like all
the bombs that were dropped that never detonated. Yeah, they
had these machines that could detect D and T or
K and T and then like we would dig down
where they where they would detect them.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then we were combat engineer. We would pull get
all the bombs load them up, and then they.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Comme engineers would dig like this really big hole in
the middle of nowhere. We would put all the bombs
down there. And then I was like the C four specialists,
So I would make the sea. I used to make
like a big old snowman out of Sea four. Sit there,
rig it up, and then we would get out like
about maybe about three miles.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Away, and then we would detonate it and we would
blow all those bombs like sky high.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
He would he would shoot like dirt, like almost like
half a mile into the sky.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Dude, messing with C four is some scary shit. Like
taking that taking that clay and your hand's got to
be dry, taking that clay, and then taking that little
metal plug. I don't remember what it was called, but
you get to push it in there. Oh my fucking Like,
that's just like nerve wracking, and you're making fuck a
snowman out of the ship.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Yeah, because we we we did a lot of training,
and we were in Hawaii. We blew up like a
whole mountainside in Hawaii, and so yeah, so we were
ready for that once we got out to Once we
got out to kuwait.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Ah, is that where your training was at for for
your MOS school is in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
We were in uh Courthouse being North Carolina. But but yeah,
right before we went on that deployment.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
We went out to uh KB in Hawaii and then they.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Were just mountain side that that that's where we that's
where we did a lot of stuff with four was
out there and then like yeah, and then everybody was
afraid to touch it and they're like like, yo, I
want to have kids one of these days, so I
really don't want to touch that stuff. And I was like, shit,
let me put it together, man, And so like I
would always make like different things like a little car
or just different things that we be blowing stuff up.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, because the clay by itself is fine. You can
fuck with the clay all day long. It's once you
put that fuse in there and you push it into
the clay. I was that's the part to see. I
didn't fuck with four very much, but when we did,
it was always we always get the terror speech, you're
gonna blow yourself up fucking around, don't fucking bring it
too much. You better not fucking sweat. And then you're

(32:57):
like you're like, better not put that ship in cook
it because I fuck. Then you're laying down, You're laying
flat on the ground because you always gotta do this
ship uh and uh because when you're training on this right,
you gotta you gotta do this, and with the mentality
that you're getting shot at and there's no room to
be comfortable, so you gotta be in the most uncomfortable
position possible. So you're laying there with your arms stretched

(33:18):
out trying to push this thing in, and you're like, fuck,
this is live. This is fucking live. This isn't practicing
on a fucking lump of clay and a stick. This
is And then like the guys are like and they'll
send you off over there by yourself. You only have
one guy with you. So the guy's next to you
and he's watching what you're doing, and he's talking to you,
and he's all like, all right, fucking calm down, breathe.

(33:39):
If we die, we won't even know, so just just breathe, okay.
So you're so you're so you went so you were
in the Marine Corps, and in the Marine Corps, you
were you were jamming out, hanging out all that stuff.
You're already getting on stage and then you get out,

(34:00):
and in two thousand and two you form a band
called Blood Not Blind Line Sacred Blood. And so I
was talking to Brian earlier and he was saying that
you guys were so the song that you guys, uh
the guy I keep sucking up the name of this

(34:21):
there was a song that you guys had created back
then or Sacred Blooded back in the day, Dye in
my Sleep? Did that come from that timeframe?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we because I think the first we were.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Good bros with a band called the Funeral Brothers, and
then there was another band called Sheep Hits from a
Dying Tripe from a flag Staff, and so we got
invited out to do a show. There was a there
was a place called the Joint, and there was like
a strip club that was attached to it. So there
was called the Strip Joint and then there was the Joint,

(34:55):
so there was like they were right next to each other.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
So we were invited out. We played out there.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I believe like we were the second band that played,
and then yeah, we were driving home and then I
think all of us had worked the next day except
for our singer Don, and Don's like, yeah, don't worry
about it.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Bros. I'll get us home. Just just grab me some
coffee and I'll get I'll get us home.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
And then so Don's driving and I at the time
like like the whole band used to kind of stay
at my place.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
And then so we were headed home and I was sleeping.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
In I was sleeping in the front and then so
I was trying to stay awake with Don. But like
I mean, I think I got off work like four
that morning, and I just took like an hour nap.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So I was pretty burnt out.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
And then so my brother was saying that he was
like he was like, yeah, he was, uh, I dreamt that,
Like he goes, I woke up and all our gear
was just like all over the road, and he goes,
and I looked at all of you guys, and you
guys were like all like yeah, none of you guys
were bringing and he was in all of our band
equipment were just like strown all all all across this

(36:01):
side of the I forty and on that side of
I forty.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
And he was like, he's like, I didn't know what
to do, and he goes.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Right then I woke up and he goes and the
truck was going into the opposite lane, and then he says,
then he then he was like Don, Don, and Don,
and then he looked over and.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Don was out. So he reaches up and he grabs
the steering wheel, and he's like, he knows that a.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Lot of accidents are caused because people overcorrect the turn
or overcorrect when they're like going off of the road.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
So my brother said he grabbed a steering wheel and
he tried to just stay right there, like we were
in the middle of the I forty, in that little median.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And then that's when I woke up and I'm like whoa,
Like what the hell is going on?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Like I'm wondering why my brother's arm is from the
back seat.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Right in front of me.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
So I grab his arm. I'm like hey, hey, like
what are you doing. Don's driving, Like what are you doing?
And then right then I see Don like snap out
of it, and he's like, oh oh, and then my
brother's like do you got it? Do you got it? Do?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I's like yeah, my brother's like do you got it?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I was like, yeah, yeah, I got it. So he
lets go of this three wheel and then Don gets
us back on I forty going east, and then I
was like, what in the heck was that? We're all
freaking out.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
We pull over at Joseph City, we get some coffee,
we're just kind of sitting outside drinking.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Coffee, talking about what just happened.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
And then that's when my brother.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Was telling him telling me about the dream he had, and.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I was like, dude, that is crazy do telling him
what would have happened though, if he didn't wake up
right at that moment. And then so we get home
unload the equipment, and I'm like, dude, no, we have
to write a song about this real quick before I
go to work.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And then so we sat there that first riff just
came right in, and then like that song just like
it just fell, It fell.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Together right then and there we wrote it like maybe
like an hour before I had to go to work.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I know.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I was. So I was watching the video that you
guys uploaded over at Native Entertainment a na nav dot com,
and when you were telling the stories between, like between
your songs, I really like, I really enjoyed that because
a lot of times people just kind of get into
one song and then they're like, all right, everybody having fun.

(38:15):
Cookie monster, let's you're your next song, and then that
next song comes on and it all just kind of
merges and blends into one fucking like big old guttural
a miba. So I like, I like that little break
between the songs, so that you describe it. Here's the story,

(38:35):
here's what the song's about. Boom. I fucking love that shit.
I watched your your video and I was like, Dad,
that's a fucking it made the music more enjoyable. I'm
one of those guys I want to know about the
history of the music, the artists and a kind of shit.
So that was back in two thousand and three, two,

(38:56):
two thousand and two, So walk me through real quick.
So you're in two thousand and two, you're making music.
Did you record? Have you recorded an album? I thought
you did.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Back then, there was a band called House twelve Records
out of flag Staff.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that at the time.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, at the time they were they were just doing
like rap rap groups like Dog Soldiers, and we were.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Good bros with that band.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh we had Dog Soldiers. I forgot about this, Yeah,
yeah I had. I had started a magazine called Mafia
Magazine way back in the day. It was all an
all native hip hop magazine, and I remember I put
them in that magazine, Dog Soldiers.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So so Dog Soldiers were the ones that introduced us
to House twelve, and I House twelve was like.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, come on out because I don't know how to.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I've never recorded like a band before. So he's like,
it'll be fun, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
So we cruise out there and he has like a
not in his house, but there was he had. He
had like a huge garage that looked like another house.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
We were in there. We just kind of set up.
He's like, yeah, you guys, just kick back, make yourselves
at home. Let's let's do the drums first. So we
we we set the drum up and then I.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Think that was the first time I ever recorded, and
like that would just it was nerve wrecking for me.
Like like I like I kind of understand like when
I Bryant's like, yeah, dude, I'm kind of nervous, man,
and because I used to be nervous back then, like
but now now, like I mean, I know, I know
now Like people always ask me, do you still.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Get nervous before you I'm like not really, Like like
in person, I'm usually like really shy, but like for.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Some reason, like on stage, I like that that that.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Scaredness that that I used to get, that that like
just left me a long time ago because just since then,
like I played in a few bands, and especially like
when my daughter started their band and we were playing like.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It just kind of yeah,
just kind of like like a thing to do. It's
not like I like I get nervous anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
And dude, I didn't know your your daughters were the Sillyettes.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard their music and like I uh,
I was jamming on it and I was with my
wife and I was like, this is so fucking cute
and uh and then and she said, yeah, I think
their dad is playing bass or something. And then, uh,
this is before we connected all the dots and we're
just jamming on it because she said they're her students,

(41:16):
and I was like, who is Who's this bandage you
keep talking about? And I was like, this is so
fucking cute, like the like the singer, like the way
the way the vocals like I'm looking like at you
gotta remember at the time, I don't know who anybody
is right. I'm just like listening to the music and
I'm like, the vocalists on this band sounds like a

(41:37):
professional vocals. Vocals. She needs to tighten it up a
little bit. But but you know, like like give us
some clear and present hooks, all right, But the delivery
is there, the sound is there, the the I'm the
kind of guy that if I don't fall in love
with your voice right away, I'm gonna be like, eh,
you know. And the guitar, that little ukulele is that

(41:59):
a you? That was we're watching videos and she was
playing a little guitar solo. I was like, Oh, that's
so fucking cool. And then she said, oh yeah, then
that's her dad right there. And then so about a
week later or something, I was I had a conversation
with you. This is like a couple of weeks ago
whatever and uh And I was like, oh yeah, let's go,
don't talk with this dude. And then he and then

(42:20):
she was like wait a minute, because I said your
name right, he said Rippy and she said that's their dad.
Who the Ciliades? What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah? It was funny that I remember she had come
up to me. She wrote that song. I think when
she was eleven.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
And then she says, Dad, I really like watching Dimebag Daryl.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
When he does a guitar solo.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And she said, she says, I want to throw a
solo on this song. And I was like, all right, well,
I said, dimebag that guy said and buried himself in
his room for like six months just learning.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
How to do that. So I said, I said, do
it your way. I said, just I said, your chords,
and I said, just look.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
At the notes, and I said a lot of times,
just follow the notes with the chords.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And sometimes as long as you stay in the what
do you call it, You stay in the whole notes.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Don't go to the half notes or don't go to
the flats or the sharps, just stay in the whole notes.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
And I said, that'll usually sound cool.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And then here she comes out and then all of
a sudden she has a distortion.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Pedal, and I'm like, what the heck are you doing
with that?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
And when she gets to the solo, she kicks.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
On that distortion pedal and I'm like, you cannot play
a ukulele with a distortion pedal.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But she was like, you know, what are there rules
that say I can, and she's doing it, and she
did it.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Bro I thought that that. When she broke out the solo,
I was like I had to. I had to look
at it like, I was like, wait a minute, is
she doing a fucking is that on a ukulele? And
I was like, holy fuck, that's fucking cool. I've never
seen that before, and I actually have not, and I'm
I'm a guy who immerses himself in music. I've never
seen anybody do solo on a guitar on a ukulele.

(44:02):
I was like, how, what the fuck is she pulling
that off? That's the secret sauce right that she looked
it up to a pedal.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, I was. I was. I was kind of tripped
out when I said.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
When I first seen and heard of that too, I
was like, whoa, Okay, that sounds pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, I like that. So so let's let's let's back
up though, You're let's talk about Sacred Blood here, because
that can go all kind of sideways and talk about
Celia's forever, but I'm curious about Sacred Blood. So now,
so now you got your first album, what's it called?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
The first album was, uh oh, what that did we
call it. Wait, wait, that is coming to me damn.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
So you don't play the music from it then?

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Oh no, no, no oh the first song from that album.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
No no, your first album.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Oh, it was called uh I think Brutal Dot Dawn
named it Brutal Music Volume one.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Brutal Music yeah, oh cool.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yeah, yeah, it was Brutal Music Volume one and it
was I think we had five songs on it. Initially
we were we were going to aim for ten, but
I don't remember why, like we we just stopped right there.
I think it's because we were playing like every weekend,
like once once we I think once we were like
on our third or fourth show, and.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Then we did the Navajo Nation Fair.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
It was like we were.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Booked every weekend, like every Friday. We were like playing
a lot of times like Thursday.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and so I had to like leave my.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I was working Applebee's at the time. I had to
leave my job.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
And then like because we were playing so much that
a lot of different people would would give us just
like junk they were going to try.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
To sell at the flea market. So we would just
load it all up, go out to the window roup.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Flea market Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and for some reason we
would sell everything that people were just donating to us,
and then that's what we were using for gas money,
hotel money, food money to go on the shows.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
We were going on, because I mean, yeah, would like it.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Just snowballed and we were like playing so much during
that time. Navajo Times was always kind of like, hey,
let me do another story on you guys, a guy
that they Rickabasta from uh.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Navaho Times was always like doing like, hey, let me
do another story. You guys. Did this show with like
Green Jelly. They were the guitar player for Green Jelly
had your shirt on while they played Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Is that real?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah? That's so yeah, just like like yeah, and then
we got.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Green Jelly is Green Jelly is the one that did
the song I always remember pig Yup No by the
hair Jin.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Those guys were cool. You got to open up for
them one time and then yeah we were They were.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Like, yeah, you guys want to come on the bus
with us, and they were.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Drinking Hams beer and We're all up there just drinking
some Hams beer with them.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's fu cool. So that was when does this is
like two thousand and four or five time frame.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, it was about two thousand and four five ish,
right in that area.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
So you got your first album out, Brutal Music, while
you won your first album, and then you guys are
touring and then did did you guys put out a
second album?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, it was that Brutal Music Volume two, and that
one I think had eleven That one had eleven songs
on it, and then that one we recorded with Jay
and C Music, And I mean that album came out
like really good. Like when I go back and I
listened to the recordings, I'm like, dude, man that the
recordings were.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Like so good on that album. And then I think
the generation like they heard our recordings, like, hey, who
you guys recorded with, and we're like, yeah, we recorded
with Jay and C Music.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
And then so then when they went to record their
blood Land album, that's who they record They recorded with
J and C Music as well, Okay, and yeah, so
I mean they ehis both the recordings were like pretty
pretty pretty tight back in the day.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Do you still have access to all that? Can you
upload all that to Native Entertainment?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Yeah again just recently, Yeah, Don said he sent me
like almost every song we've ever Like initially I.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Recorded all the songs, like I think the first five
songs that I.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Wrote, I recorded them all by myself. I recorded the drums,
the bass, the guitar.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Two guitars, and I sang on it. And then that's
what I passed out to the guys, and I'm like, yeah,
I learned this.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
This is like the first five songs. And then I said,
from here forward, we'll write the songs together.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
But these are the first five songs. And then so yeah,
I recorded that. Well, this is before the Brutal Music
Volume one.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
That I and I recorded that with go In Records,
and then the next album was with House twelve, and
then the third time I recorded.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Was with Jay and C Music, and then fourth and fifth.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
I don't even remember who we recorded with, but we
have like over thirty two songs recorded. One time, we
put them all on one CD and then we would
sell them for like ten bucks at our shows. And
it's funny, Like I want to say, like three years ago,
some guy came up to me out of nowhere and.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
He's like, hey, dude, I still got the CD with
thirty two songs on it.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I was like damn did that many songs recorded? I
don't remember.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So when did you guys disappear? Because you've disappeared for
a while.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
So in two thousand and eleven, we went up to
Las Vegas, Nevada. We played three shows out there. One
show was at the Aruba Hotel with like three death
metal bands from.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
From Las Vegas, Nevada.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
It was right there, right on.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
The strip and it was cool, like, I mean, you
can see all those people just walking up and down
the strip outside and we played there, and then the
next night we played at a poker soon called Meatheads,
and there was like a big local band that that
with that headlined that event. Because we got there thinking like, hey,
this is kind of a small venue, but that night
when the people showed up and that place was packed.

(49:48):
And then so there was a rapper that was out
there and his mom kept telling us like, yeah, this
is my son.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
He's a rapper.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
And I was like, well, hey, I said, we have
this song where we do a.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Little breakdown with just the drums on the bass, and
I said, to be, it's just a simple one two,
three four.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
I said, maybe he could come up and he can,
like if he wants if he wants a freestyle with us,
She's like yeah, So we kind of practiced with him
and then when the show started, like during that song
it was a song called I Think you know how
kid wrote had a song called American Badass. We wrote
a song. We wrote a song called Native American Badass.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
So yeah, so we invited that that that guy up
and then he like wrapped in the middle and that
that place went nuts when we did that, and that
that was that that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And then that it was a local band that was
that was pretty big.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I don't remember their name off the top of my head,
but that but that yeah, that, I mean, that.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Place was packed.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
And then the next day we played right outside of
Arizona Charlie's on Decater.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I don't remember the name of that it was, it
was a bar.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
And then we had come home and then Dawn went
to uh Rhode Island.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Providence, Rhode Island. He was going to school up there.
He now runs the Nation Museum.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
He's like the he got like a doctorate and I
don't remember what he got, but he has like a
doctorate degree in something.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And we did invite him back into the band, but
He's like, yeah, dudes, because I'm not I'm just like
focused on work and stuff like that right now.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
And he's like yeah, but he goes, yeah, he goes,
I wish I could, but he goes.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, you guys do you guys go you guys keep
doing it.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
And I was like, all right, man, man, what we
wanted to give you, like offer you your position back
if you want to come do it. And and then
so from there, Nadine she she she she played with
us the Las Vegas shows that I think we picked
Nadine up like in two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Seven, and then so she's been with us since. So
she's still playing with us, but she'll be with us
tomorrow night. Uh. Actually she used we used to use
her van. She's to have this.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Really big van that would fit all of our equipment,
all the bands.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
And even our roadies. And then so they would all
she would always just like kind of who's us to shows?
And then one day I don't remember our bass player.
I think he jacked his hand up or something.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And he couldn't played for like a like like a
couple of weeks. And then so Nadine jumped in on bashes.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I know, all the songs I'm always with you guys,
and so we're like, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Get on stage with us, and so that that's when
she kind of like joined us, and yeah, she's still
still jamming with us.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
So that was two thousand and seven, and then about
twenty eleven, you guys broke up.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Uh no, no, no, we have that. That's when Don
went and he went to school in Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
So from there we would just like every probably like
once a year, we would get together and do a show,
just like one show for the year and then and
then leave it alone. And then next year like, hey,
this is going on. We got invited. Can we can
we all make it? We're like, yeah, yeah, we can
all make it. And then we'd all meet up again, and.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Dang, you went from doing continuous shows to just doing
one show a year or yeah, damn, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But yeah, I mean I want to say, like there
was one year we did like I think it was
one hundred and one hundred and sixteen shows. I don't
remember what year that was, but like we always averaged
about ninety like ninety eight year from two thousand and
four up until twenty eleven, and then yeah, they're from there.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It was just like one show a year.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
And then one of the biggest shows that we always
enjoyed is there's a big old like they call it
the Window Bago stage down in Las Cruises, whereas like
half of this Window Bago just hollowed out and they
turned it into a stage, and it's like it's out
in the middle of the desert, and they usually.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Have like a really like good light Cruise sound crew
out there, and then like all the bands can just
camp out out there and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
And it's like usually like a two day event, so
they will usually we always went down for that event,
hung out down there for two days, and then we
would come back up and then I'll go back to
our lives again.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
So when did you guys get back together again?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Just in end of November last year, Yeah, because I remember, uh,
Brian was I think Brian. I was talking to Brian
and then uh then Ryan, like Ryan was up in
the lights, Nebraska and he's back in town and he
was just we just kind of ran into each other.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
We're like, yeah, dude, kind of feel like jamming.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I was like, yeah, me too, I said, I don't know,
I said I think.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I'm at the age now where I should probably just
hang it up.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
And uh my brother was like, no, dude, you like, yeah,
I mean if if you if you still, if you
still have that itch.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
To jam, I'm like I do, I like I do
want to Like when I see a lot of.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
These shows going on, and like I see some of
the old bands still going and I'm like, man, I
like it makes me want to get on some of
these shows too.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And then so last year, we were going to get
back together with Sacred Book for the Four Corners Metalfest
and then we were actually.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Headed out to the show, but uh uh two of
our the band members got in to a car accident,
so we weren't able to make it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
So like it was like we had to cancel like
last minute, and that really sucked.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
And then so that's when I was just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, I think it's done. It's put a fork in it,
it's over. And then uh but then yeah, I met
up with Brian.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
And we weren't actually trying to do something else because
we both joined the band a different band, and then
just things didn't work out with that band because I
think they were demanding things from Brian and then for me,
they were like they told me, they said, we want
you to take this band serious, and like so if
Dacilliots have a show.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
And we have a show, They're like, you're going to
do our show. And I was kind of like, what, Like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I kind of get paid in my daughter's band, I
don't know because this band had like I think like
nine members and I'm like, if we even got paid
two hundred bucks, that's like fifteen bucks each, Like, uh, yeah,
I don't so I kind of just decided right then
and they're like yeah, I mean like they do.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
They kind of wanted me to put precedents over that band,
over my daughter's band.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
So I was like no, no, I kind of like
if my kids get a.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Show, I'm gonna all I'm gonna take him to the
to their show, like and.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Kind of just either if they want me to play
with him, I'll play with I'll play bass for them.
But they were like jamming with another girl from high school,
and so yeah, I kind of felt left out and
when they were doing that, but.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
They had no I mean, they'll they'll always ask me like,
hey dad, we got to show on this stage can
we play with us?

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I mean I'll never say no, I'll always say yes,
but yeah. And then so me and Brian where Brian
was like, dude, he was I loved all those Sacred
Blood songs back in the day. And he's like, I
know them, and I was like really, I said, all right, well,
let's let's try one out. And then we sure enough
he knew it.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And then so I was singing it and he's like,
oh man, He's like and like, yeah, I wrote these songs,
but these were these were the lyrics back then, and
this is like what I wrote the songs about. And
then from there we just kept learning one by one,
like I think he knew five of them already, and
then so from there we just kind of added we're
like just learning.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Then we wrote one together actually because as I was
up in a South Dakota uh No.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I was in Colorado last year in July, and I
found these three dead bodies up in the mountain.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
And then I don't know, like I've seen a lot
of dead bodies in my time in the military and
working as a nurse. I worked in hospice for like
close to four years and just been around a lot
of death.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
But for some reason, when I was up there in
Colorado and I just found these three corpses up in
the mountain, it did something to me, like it just
kind of kind of like.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
That little that little pebble that's in your shoe, it
just bothers you all day. That that that's what it would.
That's what me seeing those corpses did to my, like
my brains.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
And then so when I had gone home, I wrote
a song, but I.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Didn't know what that song was going to be about.
I didn't know that eventually me and Brian would because
Brian was like, why.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Don't we write a song together. I'm like, all right, dude,
I got this risk.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
And in it.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
And then Brian just came right in like it was
and like I like most of the sacre but songs,
it's like they just happened, like we weren't like really
like sitting down like trying to map it out. Let's
write a song, Let's do this right here, let's do
that right there. It's like we just whatever we played
that stayed.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
The same way as like when we just hey, let's
try this riff.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Okay, all right, we'll keep that one right there. Now,
let's try a different riff right here, and we kept that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Same riff and then it just kind of it just
like fell fell together.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Like we never I don't think we ever really tried
to like sit down and hey, let's write a song
in two hours, like.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
We would write it like in like ten to fifteen
minutes and that was it. We're like, all right, that's
the song right there.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
That's crazy. And how do you remember all the shit
that you put together? I don't know, you know what
I mean, because like I make music, and I but
I'm mostly doing it on my own, right, and I'll
lay down, like if I'm doing some metal stuff or whatever, right,
even just even acoustic stuff. If i'm's doing like singing,

(58:58):
if I play the guitar like strum, I mean, I'm
a three chord kind of guy, right, I don't know
how to read notes, don't do this. I just do
three chords. And so if I'm strumming and singing, I'm
always like throwing myself off with the strum, right, And
if I if I lay something down and I put
it into that, it's easier if I if I layer
it out, like okay, this is where I'm gonna strum

(59:20):
like this where that beat is gonna come in or something.
But even then I still have to write down all
my lyrics and and then you practice your vocals and
then your dubs and you know stuff like that. How
do you how do you keep all of your music
categorized properly in your head because you have a lot
of songs.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, I think let's see, Like the song ems we
wrote it about like a kind of like that, Yeah,
EMTs like EMTs responding to a call.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
And then so the beginning of the song is just
like two notes, which.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Is like a solid beat behind it, and to me,
that sounds like a siren, like like there's the people
and the E M T s are they they're responding
to like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
An accident that happened, and that's just the siren going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
And then once it kicks into that double kick part
where it's like dig, the guitar is kind of doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
A fast thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
That's like the heart pumping really fast because the adrenaline
is going, and then it breaks down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
That's like doing CPR.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
And I don't know that that's like when we wrote
that song.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
That's just that's just what was going through my head.
And that's what the lyrics are about too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
The lyrics are it's like we don't want this person
to like like uh, We're like we're trying to help
this person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
We don't want them to to like pass on us,
so we're gonna do like everything we can to revive them.
And so I don't know how we like it was
just like what should we name the song?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Like like ems like the emergency medical services those dudes,
like it's a tough job, and like we see them
all the time responding to calls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You always see like they're the first ones running writing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
When everybody's running the other way, Like let's write a
song about them. And then so it's like even the
lyrics they just kind of like fall into place too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
It's like I never really had to just sit down,
like I remember like a lot of bands I played in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Our singer would always sit down with his notebook and
would be writing for like an hour and then like
for like whenever I write the lyrics for sake for
but it's just like it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Whatever comes into my head and then I don't know,
I don't have to write it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Down, just like I remember what I was singing about
and yeah, and I just I just remember, like the
riff reminds me of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Things, and then and then Brian just puts the beat
behind it. As for some reason, me and him were
really good together. It's like like I never have to
tell him, like, dude, no try and try this. Instead,
I just like trust what he does and it's like, yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Works, man, How did how did you? Was it no
problem at all for you when you were like, oh,
here's a blind dude, he's playing drums. Was it just
like a no brighter or were you like hesitating?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It's it's it's I I kind of like like that
we played in another band together, and I was like, whoa,
if I possibly can, I'm gonna steal this drummer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Because because like like like I can I can see
the I can see the evil, the evil like writing
it down right here, note to self steel drummer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Like in what was that movie called uh gool and Pits,
He's like, she will be mine, she will be mine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, but but yeah, I mean just because the feeling
that like he he has a different feel to to
like like even like there's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
That song that we real Corpses. It's a really simple riff,
but he like, how would you say? He? Uh? He
like makes the song.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Sounds sound way more like uh word, am I looking
for way more like sophisticated.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Then it is because like he does like something really
weird thing with the with the ride, and then he
did then I don't know how he does his drum
rolls and he's like an octopus with eight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Arms, and then he comes within that when we come in,
and I'm just kind of like, whoa dude like put?
Because I used to play a lot of drums, but
I could never do like with some of the stuff
he does.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Oh I played dry. I tried playing drums before my
U I said a drum kit before, and I was like, oh, okay,
this should be pretty fucking easy. I've seen people do
this many times. I'm gonna go I'll do that, and
it just sounded like I fell on the drum set.
So guitar, for me, it was always the easier thing,

(01:03:48):
like the the muffled you know that chug, like you
can make good music with just three chords, like just
you don't even have to you don't even have to
read notes. You can just make sure you Because for me,
I always got to drop the tuning down and and
uh uh and then you know, just muffle it. And

(01:04:11):
to me, that is that is like a delicious meal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, I was. Someone was asking me one time, like,
how did you get into metal? I'm like, I remember,
like as a kid, I was really into the band Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I think I was bout.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Oh Man. I used to carry my boom box.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Around and then on Carrie Cake song, oh did they
have a Cherokee song?

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah, songing about the Cherokee natives. But anyway, I used
to go through so many sea batteries that every time
I would like clean people's yard, and then the money
that I got from that, I would buy batteries just
so I could play Europe on my little boom box.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And then people nowadays just don't know the struggle hall
you have to have. You have to have a steady
stock of batteries.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah. Yeah, back then, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I don't even remember my bloom box had.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
To plug in it. And then I remember this guy
in second grade, he's like, hey, Rippy checked the song out.
He gave me a tape and it was Metallica Kill
Them All. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
In second grade?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, second grade and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Then I remember the first song was that song No Remorse,
and oh, man, I fell in love with that distorted guitar.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, and I remember the dorm mats. We used to
be like that Satan's music music.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
You guys are gonna go to hell if you listen
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
And I remember, like I believe, I'm like, damn, I
don't want to go to hell, but I would be
like damn, but that guitar sounds so delicious, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
So we would we would sneak into the shower room
late at night and then we would take our.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Towels with us and we will put the towels over
our heads and we would have the boot box right
there and we would play and we would just sit
there and jam out. We get we get Elementary.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
And then uh then yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
And then if it was like maybe three or four
of us and we we were listening to Judas PRIs
Iron Maiden, that's when that Seventh Son of a Seventh
Son had come out, and man, we sedgenm that theme
power Slave, uh, get Black Sabbath.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
But we were we like, I mean, we were really
into that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Then.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I remember that's when A showed Little Mercy from Flayer
had come out, and we got that Death.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Had come out Death Angel.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Oh dude, dude, you you just named two bands that
I love. And actually, if you go to to to
the website, I uh, from time to time I do
like these vocal covers of of music I love.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I just uploaded one a couple of days ago of
Iron Maidens Hollow be that name, because I fucking love
the simplicity of that song. But also Bruce Dickinson, the
way he carries his notes is so fucking beautiful. I've
I've I every time, I every time, like I wanna,
you know, sometimes you just want to sing right, and
so like you put on you put on some some

(01:07:19):
music and you sing to it. And and one day
I was like, you know what, I want to see
how I was sound. And I was like, I'm waiting,
and I was like, oh fuck, I want to hear that.
I want to record that so so fun to sing it.
It took me multiple tries. And then there's another song
you mentioned, Death Angel, Fucking Death Angel. There's there's there's
a song called Vail of Deception, you know, fucking one

(01:07:42):
of my favorite songs. The the the way that song
is sung, in the simplicity of it so good. And
then ah, and then the other song just went through
my head just now. But yeah, there's something about music
back then at that time when you heard it, it
was a magical sound that you will always remember.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And then yeah, I remember I had to hide it
from my parents.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I had to hide her from the dorm aids, like like, yeah,
it was it was kind of it was crazy. Then
I remember my dad, I think I was in fifth grade,
he bought me a Sony Walkman and it had that
remember they used to have that bass boost on it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Oh yeah, and oh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Man, that just totally changed the game. Then you could
really hear the kid drum.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
And then I remember then of nineteen eighty eight and
Justice for All came out from Metallica, and man, I
love that song the shortest Straw. Yeah, and you know
back then that was heavy. Yeah, that was like some
of the heaviest stuff out at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
And then uh yeah, and then I mean, just as
the years progressed, music just got.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Heavier and heavier and heavier, and it's just what's your
what's your first heavy band? Like Like when I say heavy,
I mean like I don't know, carcass or Cannibal Corpse
or something like like you know, talking about where you
heard like a kind of something like what the fuck
is going on there? Like what was your first I think.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
When I seen ace Ventura and I've seen Cannaba, I
was like, oh wait, who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Who is that?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And then.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, then I found out who they were and then yeah,
then I remember I was like trying to learn that
song hammer smash face, oh God. And then I'm like,
I'm like, this is not the right tuning. So I
tuned everything down to half a step and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Then I was like, Okay, yeah, they're this tuning, but
I mean they for some.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Reason they sound like they're tuned way lower, but they're
only half a step down.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, Like their bass, their bass, like I'll play on
I don't get a bass guitar here, so I'll take
my guitar and I'll drop it down just so I can,
cause I like that the way that really loose string
bass sounds right. Yeah, And and Cannibal Corps has that.
It just sounds like it's like wiggling around and it's
it just sounds fucking I don't know what the fuck, Like,

(01:10:00):
I don't know how these people. I was thinking about
all the time, how the fuck did you decide to
start grunting on the song? Do you see what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Like, how did that fucking happen? Where you want to
fuck it? Somebody had to be on drugs And no,
I'm not because I was sitting around thinking about it
when I was listening to Terrorizer, and uh cause because
I'm I'm I was thinking about, Okay, how can I
do how can I do something on Jesse Pintado, right,
because the dude's native and he innovated and you know
stuff like that, right, And I was listening to Terrorizer

(01:10:28):
and I was and I was listening in the World Downfall,
and I was just listening to how fucking crazy it
sounds and and thinking about how early on it came
out because back then, like you had that that. Uh,
I know, everybody is crazy about grind, cross, hardcore, death punk.
To me, it's all just fucking death metal because it's
I'm not a metal snob anymore, so it's just all

(01:10:49):
I like death metal. I like guttural, heavy, distorted, chuggy music.
And fact that this music was coming out like in
eighty one, this heavy guttural music. And that's fucking insane
because I remember the heaviest thing I fucking ever heard, uh,
one of the heaviest things. But this is before death

(01:11:12):
metal was uh Stormtroopers of Death SOD and I and
I still jam to that to this day because it's
it's the right mix of heavy, rhythmic and guttural and
and and that was from like what eighty four or
some shit, right, and and uh, at what point were

(01:11:32):
people fucking like so drunk they were just like fuck
or drug dad? They was like fucking growl dude, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I think I think for me it was like when
I heard Bad Brains.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Just because oh, bad Brains is badass.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah. I just remember like he was up there yelling
and he's just screaming. And at the time, I remember
it was me and some high school.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Friends in nineteen ninety three, I believe it was we
we were playing and then uh, we got one of
the one of the guys in town that there's a
big old, like a big.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Tire shop called Schaeffer's Mister Tire. It was his dad
owned it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
So they had this huge garage and then so we
would just put our band equipment there and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Then we would meet up every now and again jam out,
and I remember everyone was too shy to sing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
And then so I remember just.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Like like listening to Bad Brains and like, yeah, he's
just going up there and screaming into the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna do that.
So that I remember, I went up and I would
just scream like and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
And I remember at the time, I thought people aren't
gonna like it because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I'm just screaming into the microphone. And then so but still,
like to this day, I still have that same screaming voice,
and it's it's it's like it hasn't changed much.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
It's like I was screaming like that back in like
nineteen ninety two, nineteen three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
But I think back then the people were kind of like,
what the hell is this guy doing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
I know, like, you know what I started over the years.
So when I in the Innes right early nineties, when
I was in high school, the death medal was really
looked down on, right, and uh, so people like I
would jam on it stuff and people were like, what
the fuck you Jaminar, and uh sounds like no, it
sounds like racket and uh. So I remember throughout the years,

(01:13:16):
especially in the two thousands, things changed, and I remember
hearing these pop metal bands and you can hear guttural
and like on the radio, and I'm like, whoa, what
the hell is that? Like you hear this really pussy
ass singing, like this whiney shit. Really it just sounds
real faggotty, and then like you hear this guttural and
then you're like, what the fuck is this music? And

(01:13:38):
then people were like describing it in different genres like
scream o and this emo and all this other stuff,
and I was like, what the fuck is all that shit?
I didn't know what the fucking emo was. I was like,
real dug, you know, and and uh and they were like, yeah,
you know those little sad, pathetic fuckers that have like
the fucking uh the whimsical hair. Dude looks like ladies
and and I was like, oh, I was like, what

(01:13:59):
the fuck? That's like, those are real sad the pressed,
looking like black metal dudes or some ship whatder the fuck?
And they wear the weird clothes like goth and ship.
They're like, yeah, but it's not goth, it's emo. These
guys are scam on and I was like, what the
fuck is going on here? But that's when I started
kind of liking that stuff because I was like, oh, okay,
because uh, breaking Benjamin, Breaking Benjamin. So yeah, yeah, it

(01:14:23):
sounds like I'm sucking up the name, but yeah, Like
like they would do that thing where it was a
cool sounding singing and then they mix it with the
you know that guttural you know that kind of stuff,
and I was like, oh, I like this better. What
the fuck is this? And then people were breaking down
the genres for that and I was like, I don't
know the fus going on anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Yeah. I remember that they were doing that back like
in two thousand and five with the bands from the Res, Hey,
what do you what do you classify your bandasm?

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
We're like, we're just straight.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Up heavy metal, Like yeah, there's no, we don't like
put no, because I remember like there was the bands
calling themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Tribal metal and oh you remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, good fe kinds of metal and we're like, nah, dude,
we're just heavy metal. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah. I remember like a tribal grind. It was all
kind of fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, tribal tribal core.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Yeah, it's just too many fucking genres to to fucking
to like, it's just fucking heavy. So I like res
metal because res metal is kind of a generic term
for all the fucking metal that comes out. But I'll
talk to people and they'll also say, like, I don't
want to be classified as res metal because I'm doing
more than that, And I'm like, all right, I get it.
But I mean it's a really good classification for like

(01:15:33):
people from a specific demographic who are coming from a
specific geographic area, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of different bands
from different rises have been hitting us up and they're like, yeah,
you guys hear Aris metal band from the Navajos. Were
like yeah, and then yeah, just kind of chatting together
and talking about like the possibility of some future shows together.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
He's going up to where they're from, or them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Coming down this way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Well, I'm glad you got back in the Sacred Blood
bro fucking because it's really really serendipitous because I was
I was telling Brian that, like getting back into this
music stuff a little bit. I've always wandered about, like
what the fuck happened? To Sacred Blood because I was
telling him that I've I've been interviewing people for years.
I interviewed you guys. I don't know if you remember that,

(01:16:20):
but years ago and back before YouTube days, and I
was building, you know, trying to build a like a
music video show kind of thing because nobody was doing
music videos. And I said, all right, well fuck it,
let me just interview bands, and like interview bands like
Shit out of Luck and you know you guys, and
and fuck, I don't know, there's all these different bands.

(01:16:42):
I would go down to all these venues, and I just,
I don't know, it's kind of cool running into you,
like like, now you're you're making a comeback again, and
I can't wait to see what kind of music you
guys as a band, Sacred Blood come out with. But
I will say this, make some fucking music videos, use

(01:17:02):
green screen, do graphics. I am more than willing to
fucking shoot some music videos for you guys. I do animation.
If you go, if you ever go to the website
and look at videos, like just look up good or can.
I have all kinds of shit on there. I have
all kind of animated music videos, all kind of stuff yeah,
and so I can do all kinds of shit. I
just fucking around with stuff because it's my stuff, and

(01:17:23):
I would I want more bands, especially resmetal bands, to
like just start getting into fucking expanding, like like push it,
push the fucking boundaries, you know, because like like I
think that too many people are too afraid of like
getting in trouble with Grandma. Like I was just fucking around.
I did a little demo a couple days ago, just
recording something real quick on my on my computer, and

(01:17:45):
uh like I did some some lyrics. I was like, Okay,
these are lyrics that that would definitely piss off somebody,
like like if they're gonna say do Janita, and uh
so it's like the lyrics are the lyrics are, I
will bring darkness to your hogun, I will break your
ego whistle, I will bring fire to your life, you know,
ship like that. But I was I was thinking about it,

(01:18:08):
and it's like real, real heavy kind of uh obviously
death metal darkness to the old God and in the
background because I've always loved that old D side sound
where it sounds like there's demons floating around in the
back of his voice, you know. Yeah, yeah, so some
ship like that where it's just like a where it's
like a darkness to your all God. And then the

(01:18:30):
hook is some ship like this, like a I Am
I Am and it's like these little demons swirling around.
And I was thinking, Oh, if I make a music
video for this, I can just like animate all these
fucking crazy looking demons and then like, uh, like just
like some ship you're not supposed to do right, and
and uh, that's what I want to see because I

(01:18:51):
love bands like Behemoth. I don't really care for black metal,
but you know there's some there's some black metal that
sounds really cool, and especially if you have a music video,
I'm down. I'll watch it. I'll listen. And Behemoth is
one of those bands where I'm like, fuck the visuals
and this fucking thing are insane.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
My daughter just graduated high school, so I think that's
We hooked up with the band Alium out of Albuquerque.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
These guys have a huge studio.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
And then so I've been telling Brian, I'm like, dude,
we gotta go and record all these days, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Now that we have Ryan back. Like Ryan does weird
stuff on the guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
He does a lot of pinch harmonics. He does like
harmonic squills. He just throws them in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
And like where do they fit? And then like there's
some something he does. He makes it sound like lasers
are you know, And I'm like like and I try
to imitate what he does, but like I can't make
those same noises that he does.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Like he's and he used to do that like with
Bloodline and he was in a band called Abusive Disorder.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
And like when he was playing with those bands, like,
I mean, and that's one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Like like so when me and Brian were like, yeah, wait,
does Ryan have long is that skinny guy? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Yeah, no, no, no, that that that's craving. Craven was
kind of just like filling in with us for a bit.
He was also in that the side then that we
were we were in. It's kind of like we all
got kicked out at the same.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Time and it just kind of got together.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Yeah, and so yeah, he he's playing with I think
he's playing with a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Of other bands and so yeah, he was just kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Like helping us out until because Nadine was she was
eventually gonna come back with us on bass, but it
was just like a lot of shows she wasn't able
to make.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
So like, right now, we're at a point where school
is ending.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
So a lot of us parents don't need to be
like running to the bus stop and stuff like that
all the time now, so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
She's like, yeah, let's jump, let's jump back on this
horse and then go yeah, and so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Like what I'm kind of I'm like, like, me and
Nadine and Ryan we've been like, we played a lot
together back in the day, so it's kind.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Of like cool that we're we're all back together. And
and Brian Bryant's like we were talking about it. We're like, damn,
we all have this in clan too, so we're sacred
blood stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
What's your what's your plans? What white plan are you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Oh, we're all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
You're first plan.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Yeah, all our first clans are not so hey, you
guys don't be hooking up with each other's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
You say no, no, I use my second plan for this.
All right, brother, I appreciate you taking the time out.
I want to catch up again on these days. Right
was seeing if I want to come out to the
show tomorrow. But I told myself, dude, I'm too fucking
anti social. I'm in the wrong I'm in the wrong business.
I just don't really like being around with people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
I'm taking my good camcorder tomorrow so we'll get because
yeah that this sound is going to be like a
top notch tomorrow. So but we'll get some good live
video and then i'll upload them next week sometime.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that'd be fucking badass. Yeah, upload
all your music, dude. Upload. I was telling Bright the
same thing. I was like, you guys do a lot
of stuff, just just fucking upload it. If you upload
it to YouTube and you just share the link, it's
a lot easier that way. It takes less resources on
my end. But you know, upload the upload whatever you got.
Because I was telling them the same thing that I'm

(01:22:17):
gonna tell you, and I tell everybody. It's a pin
in the ass when you're trying and you know this,
when you're trying to go and jam on some native
shit and you gotta go and search and the fucking
Internet is massive, and you just get burned out. You're like,
you know what, fucking listen to fucking whatever. You know,
I'm on a mark or some ship or whatever the
fuck's on right now, because you kind of get, you

(01:22:38):
kind of just get it's too taxing trying to find
all this music. So I'm hoping to be able to
create something where you can find this big old library
you're fucking just this music that you want to jam on,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
I was on the computer at work and someone someone
was like, hey, what is that because they seen some
of the videos on there, and then they I think
they sat down. They were looking through all the videos
on your website.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
That's cool. Yeah, I've been adding like some uh so
I got them into different categories so when you upload
yourself you can scroll through the categories at the bottom.
I have res metal all kind of stuff, right, and
I have stuff like a indigenous metal from South of
the Border and you know, shit like that, and so
I got I got like a like Mexican death metal,

(01:23:23):
Japanese death metal. Yeah. Yeah, So anytime, and that's the
other thing too, is anytime you find something, even if
it's not yours, but you're like, oh, this is fucking cool.
There's like some native shit. Pop it into dude, just
pop it in there. Because I'm constantly trying to find stuff,
and that's the whole point of doing this stuff, is
just be able to make this instead of somebody being

(01:23:46):
able to like just instead of I know, I'll never
steal Spotify's audience, even though they ripping off artist left
and right, But I would like to be able to
go outside when I go to work and turn on
Native Entertainment and then be able to type in a
genre or type in a band or or whatever right
and then be able to like oh cool, yeah, or
just type in like maybe I'm gonna move for black

(01:24:08):
metal today because I want some fucking thirty minute fucking
song that doesn't go anywhere to me. That's like black
metal always just takes a long time to get to
the point. It's kind of like doom metal, but but
with but with screechy vocals, you know, because I love
doom metal, like wet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Slow, sludgy myddters are starting a metal damn kind of
sludge doom metal.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Style like that, Like like it's like really slow and
sometimes like it's like that chord will just kind of
rock on that sea for a long.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Time, then.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Go hit like hit a drop like that down that
drop b and then so they're they're working on stuff
like that. There there metal bands called the Dewey Discible System.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Sh So it's gonna be a doom death metal yeah,
like like kind.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Of like like Sledge Sledge doom metal. Yeah, kind of
a mix between them too, and which I like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I mean I've heard some of their songs and it
sounds it sounds pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Wait, these are the same chicks to do the Cees, right, yeah, yeah,
so they're gonna be doing to projects.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Yeah yeah, because I know, like a few years ago
they were on a lot of metal bills and so
that that's what that's why I literally put up the
ukulele and she's using a guitar now and then so
now they're down tuning the guitar and now they're using distortion.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
And it's like like they do a lot of like
oldie songs like that will You Still Love Me?

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
They do that one, but like with what drop tune
guitar and with distortion it sounds pretty cool. Like I'm like, whoa,
that sounds pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
That's pretty badass, see and stuff like that. Like like
just just I just like anybody right, you want to
go and you want to it's I know, just people.
This might sound racist or whatever, but you want to
go find your your your your people. You want to
find your native ship, right And I I want to
find Siberian music, you know, like those Siberian metal bands

(01:26:12):
that come out, those Mongolian bands like who you Know
and and Coffins and that's a Japanese death metal band,
and then be able to at the same time find
Sacred Blog E DG. You know you know, and be like, oh,
this is fucking really fucking cool. But I also want
to watch music videos, like I want to do music
video countdowns. I want to I want to have people

(01:26:33):
like the old school Headbanger's ball. I fucking used to
love going to my dad's house and watching that ship.
I'd fucking just go drive from ship Rock and get
over to his house and and just so I can
have that midnight instead of going up party. And I'm like,
I want to watch this ship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
I mean that would be badass if we had that
kind of thing where it's fucking just you can you can, yeah,
you can watch the ship on the Internet anytime you want.
But man, you gotta wait till midnight to fucking to
watch this ship it right, because it because it felt cool,
it felt taboo. It was just fucking it was frowned on,
and it would be badass to fucking go and watch something,
whether it's called the Brutal Music Show or the res

(01:27:09):
Metal Show or fucking whatever fuck is called, right and
then be able to get your buddies together and say, dude,
let's watch some fucking music videos this Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Right, Yeah, yeah, that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
No, I don't know if I'll ever be able to
pull that off full all the way, because because like
brutal music, nothing tanked. I fucking couldn't get nobody interested
in that. And I started that shit like fucking back
in two thousand and whatever the fuck when I was
doing Native Entertainment, and I just tried it launching it again,
and it just was like crickets. So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Yeah, yeah, we will announce it tomorrow. It was like, hey,
check out check out the website.

Speaker 4 (01:27:44):
We have a live video on there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
We're gonna upload a.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Couple songs from tonight show on there, and yeah that
talk about tomorrow night. There's a lot of good bands
on that build.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
There's some young kids, Doug Dogs Through Spears. They're doing
something different too. I like those cats. Yeah, they're doing
something different. Uh Sacred Blood, poison, insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
That Steve, that guy has his mind, like I would
love to look at his brain one of these days,
just because the way he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Puts his music together, it's it's a trip. And then
we have Marbona, you know those guys. Yeah, those guys
are They're awesome. I love those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I want I want to shoot music videos for those
guys because I think that they would have see and
they and they do black metal, and I'm not a
huge fan of black metals, but I think they could
have some fucking badassuck music videos and uh, you know,
just because I know and I know their stuff is
like I don't think it's like Behemoth style, you know,

(01:28:44):
like with that kind of satanic kind of the kind
of ship. Right, But yeah, I still fucking think that
there could be some badass music videos out there. And
I honestly think the if you guys make you guys
do like four or five music videos, right, and when
you go do your do your shows and you have
your your merch stand, get a big fucking sixty inch

(01:29:08):
flat screen TV, right, and then put in your memory
card with your music video shows or music videos on them,
and then pop them in and let them play, right,
big ass fucking speakers. People are gonna be like, what
the fuck is this? Because they're gonna be watching, They're
gonna see you in a different way, right, And because
there's because there's a place for live footage and and

(01:29:30):
you know, just like just grabing a camera and record it.
And then there's another place for music videos so people
can actually see the rock stars that they want to see.
I want to see native rock stars, bro, I want
to I want to see Rippy. Rippy is a badass name.
Oh I want to ask you about that? Is that
your root name?

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah, it's a long story, man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
We'll we'll catch up on that story the next time,
because it is getting pretty late over here, and like
my eyeballs are fucking burning, but I do want to
catch up. But again, we'll we'll talk about that story,
and then we'll talk about some music and maybe even
all uh. I might drag my anti social ass up

(01:30:09):
the gallop or something or whatever, and we can I
can sit down when you guys are jamming out or
some shit and then we can kind of do like
a like a Q and A in between songs or
some shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yeah, yeah, that would be cool.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Yeah, you'd like the place where you practice at. It's
really things kickback by. If it's in the ho gun,
so's it's it's it's really chill, nice.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
All right, Rippy. I appreciate it, man, fucking keep it
tuned in here. Anybody out there, if you're watching this,
listening to this, go check out Sacred Blood Wherever the
rats you can watch them here at Native Entertainment over
at native nt dot com. And if any of you
guys got music that you want to hear that you
want the world to see uploaded, all right, brother, you

(01:30:53):
have a great

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Night, all right if you yeah, right,