Talking with Rod Tsosie from Clay and Fire

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey with that Rod?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey, yeah, man, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Brother? Uh?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Pretty much on vacation right now, but pretty good.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
What are you doing on your vacation?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Taking time away from everything? And I'm just in the
valley my last day and I go back tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh, so are you in Phoenix right now? Where? Yeah? Okay?
Is that your Where are you from Winslow? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah from Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
So I I just heard about you guys a couple
of days ago when you guys really said music video
and because I've been keeping an eye on music, especially
videos because they're rare in the native circuit, right, And
I saw that ship and I was like, what the
monkey shit is this? This is fucking badass. So, dude,

(00:59):
I got I got a know about you guys. Man,
I gotta know about the band. I gotta know about you,
and tell me what's up. Start from the beginning, man.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I joined the band Clay and Fire back in
my probably two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Fourteen maybe, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
So it's been an internet band and it was just
more like a mess around, vent off, blow off, some
steam kind of band, and it was actually going through
a bad state of mind. Then I wrote a lot
of bad songs that didn't make any sense too as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
And so those I left.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And went to Utah and lived and lived in Theaters
City for a while a couple of years, and then
came back recently about like a two years ago, and
you got back again with Clay and Fire. And this
is where I started entering life a healthier mindset on
what I wanted to do with my life.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay, what was going on? What was going on before
that that it wasn't healthy or that it wasn't working
out with the band or with the music.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Whoa, it was just there, you know. I saw like
as an egotistical thing. I was like, oh, I'm the
best vocals and the best at this.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
But.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
It was just alcohol.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Alcohol was just dominating my world.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It was not good.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
It was it was messing a lot of things up
for me.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So were you were you guys doing shows or just
like just making music and popping it online.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Just online, just everything was online.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I got back with Clay and Fire within this
like two and a half years, and they they're they're
always really good to me. It's really nice, very and
I told him, like, hey, I would like to write
some real good music.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, I would like to touch base with no.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
One really likes to talk about uncomfortable stuff, the really good,
positive energy stuff, stuff my kids can listen to, and
the blind side of.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
The good side of stuff. Everyone talks about, hate speech.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Everyone talks about like cryptids, ghosts and all that. And
I would like to get down to as being as
best as you can be, growing up with a healthy mindset,
and I want life to spread that to the younger
community of the Native American to US news. Okay, now

(03:35):
that now that I see, it's touching base with more
than just Avajos, and it's like wow, Now, I would
like to just promote a really good life, a healthy mindset,
healthy living, And that's what I would like to write about.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So part of all oh sorry, no, no, no, go ahead,
go ahead, keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And part of a part of doing that, you go
through stages in life grieving all these feelings that you
cannot ignore. So I want to, like, right on this
album those specific things just in order for you to
grow it in a way. It's more like self help.

(04:22):
Self help kind of like a guide a little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So tell me about this song, this, this, this music video,
how when you went into it with this new mentality
that you have. What was the band like, what were
you guys thinking when you guys recorded it, when you
guys shot the video for the music?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh, when it was being made.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, So I got into some bad stuff as in
like prison, and I had to face the music. We'll
face I had to face myself pretty much, and I've
I already.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Forgave myself.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I already went through the nastiest stuff on like fixing myself,
and it's just the aftermath of trying to see everything
through and.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's what you had to go through.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
And part of that is for me, was forgiving myself
and going back to the traditional ways a little bit
and seeing what everyone was talking about, which is like,
you know, you do it for yourself, do things for yourself,
you know, change for yourself.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
And I didn't really see anything like that.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I just wanted to be.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Something the kids could look up to a little bit more,
a little bit more better. And turns out, you know,
with time and a little bit of change, you make
a big, huge difference at the end of like a year.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
And it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
So let's back up a step real quick, because I
think this part's really important. What did you go to
prison for? Uh? Do you? I? Do you? I? Okay?
And how long were you in prison?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I was in prison for four months, Okay, not a
long time. It's my first offense that was real serious in.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
My life, right you know? Okay? So you so you
you went to prison, And I want to explore that
a little bit because I know that from personal experience.
I'm a vocalist, I'm a music writer. I'm a music maker.
I love music my first love, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
And yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So I know that a lot of times when you
write music, you're either happy, you're in an emotional state, right,
and or you're pissed off or whatever else. That's what
what makes music so bad ass, because when we feel
a certain way, we turn on a certain song or
a certain vibe that we're looking for. Right. So you
you went to prison, What were you feeling at this time?

(07:00):
Because at this disappoint in times you said you were
really feeling yourself. You're bad at vocalist in the world.
That ship that we all feel, right like, I'm the
fucking best. Everybody sucks. And so you were drinking and
you had a DUI. Did anybody get injured or or
anything like that or what was that about?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Now, so what I was going through was just my
own I was my own literally my own worst enemy,
and I was blind to that.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And you know, I kind of got like the.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Stick of being being like that being I got. I
got a stick of doing that ship and oh god
it so.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I got I got better.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I sawt helpful with uh, with traditional values. We're going
to ceremony for myself when I had a heaping meeting
for myself.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Oh sorry you navajo?

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Or yeah, have to a Spanish from Shiprock, New Milch
Go okay, cool?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
They know have you been to a keeping meeting meetings
or yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I uh so, I'll break it down as far as
I understand, because a lot of people out there when
they when they hear traditional, they they lump Pyoti Church
into that. So Peoty Church to me is not traditional.
But my step Pops and my mom. My step pops
was a roadman and him and my mom would carry
the drum all over the place, meaning they would run
Pyota meetings and all that. And then there's traditional stuff

(08:28):
right where it's like the old old school stuff. Because
Pyote Church has only been around for a little over
one hundred years. So when I say traditional, you know
there's a difference. There's a divide that I always put
a line there. People always like, you're not supposed to
do that. It's all traditional. That's on now they get
mad about stuff I don't. So so when you say traditional,
are you talking about like tradition like before Christ or

(08:51):
you talking about like the the incorporation of Christ through
the Pyoti Church both both okay went and got.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Ceremony is done for myself and with every single ceremony,
it was just like a little bit of help, but
a huge set back and a little bit of help.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
So you you you set it up for yourself. You said, hey, guys,
I need I need to have a meeting. Yeah. Oh
that's badass, dude. That to see to see the demon
in the mirror, to really recognize that fucker and be
able to say I want that guy out of my life,
that's hard because that ego wants something onto you. So
that's so kudos, bro.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, And it's hard to explain the process of changing,
and it's hard to explain the process of.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Sobriety. I guess it's hard to let you.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Talk about that. Hold on, can you can you hear? Yeah,
I was gonna sneeze and I was gonna press the
mute button. Oh fuck man, real emotional moment.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's hard to explain that pivotal moment in your life
where you.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Need to change, you know, you need to say, hey,
what you thought? Hey, it's on me, It's on you.
It literally is on you.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
That that ceremony can only take you halfway. The rest
of the way is literally up to you.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And that fire knows who you are.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
And all this is not directly explaining inside Grave Dancers.
Grave Dancer is pretty much saying, Hey, we're all human,
we're all fucking up, and it's all right to literally
just go back home and that that fireplace knows you

(10:51):
and they'll welcome you with open arms. Literally just go home,
find out you know.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
And you walk between lines of family and shame like.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
How you how how I described it exactly. I'm shameful
of like the stealing, I'm shameful of the cheating. I'm
shameful of all these different things I've done to my
family and it's not cool. And you know, I got
in my hands and knees and that's what that that
that what I envisioned on that you know, is all

(11:25):
four of us on our knees is and we're all
like dark and evil. We carry that darkness with us
wherever we go. And that's pretty much a reflection of
our past. And we have our good side looking down
on us. And what would you actually really say to
your struggling, helpful self that will make a difference today?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
What could you do? Kind of a thing?

Speaker 3 (11:49):
And that the lines where I say, uh, as I
walk my past, I look back and see a second
pair of footprints behind me. That's the uh pretty much
saying like, yeah, your bad style of hate and your
good side, your spirituality is still going to be there
in your roughest times, no matter who you are at

(12:12):
that pivotal moment. And it's really cool mm hm. But yeah,
that's that's what that.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Song is about.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
You know, just go home every now and then. Stop
stop thinking you're high in mndy, stop thinking you're above,
and don't forget that you're the net. Don't don't ever
forget that kind.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Of a thing.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Right, And I see a lot of like uh Navajos
they just want to go to Phoenix. They just say like, oh,
I don't I don't go home, I don't eat, I don't,
I don't speak Navajo, and I don't I don't. I'm
better than that kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
It's like, no, you shouldn't. You shouldn't talk like that.
You know, you shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
You shouldn't be like that. You shouldn't think like that.
For now, it's okay, But in the future, when you
want something for your life and for yourself, you shouldn't
talk like that kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Do you. That's a real important part that you're saying
it because because language is important, right for for culture.
But it's because you have race, and then you have ethnicity, right,
and then you have your culture, which encompasses the way
you're taught, the way you do things right. And and
because culture is like like you know about the peety church,

(13:25):
So when you go in, you go in a certain way,
you walk around a certain way, when you get up,
there's certain times when you can do it, you know.
So that's all based around cultural teachings, right, And all
of that is based around language because we're always taught
that that words are real strong, right, and so language
are the words that we speak. So I, you know,

(13:48):
I'll just write this question, but go ahead and keep going,
because I'm hearing some of some real insightful stuff from
you and I like it.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
But that's that's what grave answer is about, and that
those lyrics are straight from the heart, because that's what's
something no one wants to talk about like that. No
one wants to talk about. They've been shameful, they've been
a nasty, nasty person. When you see them up front,

(14:17):
they put the thought on that they're normal. But all
of us in Clay and Fire, we have kids and
our kids that are.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Very close and involved with each other.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
And when we do our music, when we record.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Our music, our kids are right there too, and.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
So it's it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Actually, yeah, no, that that's crazy because like at a
lot of at a lot of especially Res Meudel shows,
I see this a lot. I've only seen it one
other place where it we're where I see this where
I see a lot of kids at a show, and
that was at an ICP concert. You're familiar with Insane
Clan POSSI. Yeah, so so I was up in way
back into early two day thousands. In two thousand and three,

(15:01):
I started an old native hip hop magazine called Mafia magazine,
and I went, I got invited to to interview ICP
right and uh so I was gonna I was gonna
interview ABK Anybody Killer, And so they said, yeah, go down,
go down to the go down to the bus. So
I went down to the bus. And there's a whole
story with that. I won't get into it, but it's

(15:21):
a but I remember I think they said the record
label said go ahead record at the show. We normally
don't let anybody, but because Abk's Native and you're native,
we want you. We really want to support that. They
were really supportive of the whole native thing. I was.
I was. I thought it was cool as fuck. Now
jump forward the security guard snatched my camera. It was

(15:43):
a whole whole crazy thing that went on, almost ensued
into a little brawl. But this when I went to
this show, I saw a little juggalos and and IF
seen a ton of Native kids, like a ton of natives,
and I was like, holy fuck, we're in the middle
of Phoenix and this is an ICP concert. It was
during that dark Lotus period. I think a Wishbone or

(16:05):
Crazy Bone, Lazy Bone, one of them fucking bone dudes
was there and he was part of the crew, and
I just looked around us out a bunch of kids.
The only place I've ever seen that kind of stuff
is at red shows. Right when you go to rad shows,
there's always like little kids headbanging or like dads would
be holding their kids on the shoulder and stuff, and
they'll be like, yeah, yeah, So when you guys are

(16:25):
recording your music, you guys actually have your kids there.
Do you guys ever take your kids insight like that?
You should make that one heavy here or something, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, if you really listen to Aspire and Aspire acoustick,
you can hear at the end of the song kids
a little bit, and in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
You can hear our kids.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
They're honest, and you can We're can upload those. You
can upload those right native bnt dot com.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I have to make an account, and it looked like
the more I clicked on it too, it kind of
seemed like U it gave my phone and virus, which
is weird.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
You gave your phone virus?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, well, I'll double check into.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That, but it did.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Now my phone has been a little bit bugged out
since then, so I'm gonna try it again. Here in
a bit, I just had to clear out, like restart
my phone and see that's.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Crazy because I only use Google Ads ads straight out
of Google, so they're all, you know, yeah, real safe.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah yeah, the ad popped up and I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Website.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It's like, I.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
S c o P.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Almost looks like the word like isotope or something like that.
But they brought up the ad and I was like, ah,
it's almost like sick base. So I don't know if
I should really dive into it.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll look into that. I'll also hit
up Google and see what's up with that. Yeah, because
I've been I've been trying to figure out the right
way to put their ads. I just I just allowed
them to put it on while were they they see
fit And I actually think there are too many ads.
I don't want that many ads, So I've been trying

(18:07):
to get them to take down the amount of ads
they have so that it's a very minimal amount. Because
all I want to do is get a crew enough
money so that I can pay for better hosting, faster
speed loading, et cetera. Because there's there's no way to
become rich doing this shit, you know, so I just
want to make sure I can get some kind of
uh some kind of money going in so I can

(18:29):
pay towards it, because most all of this stuff is
paid out of my pocket. So I'm just trying to
find some way around that. But the as far as
the ads, that's that's good insight. I'll uh, I'll look
into that's a good thing. You brought that up, So
anybody out there, No, there's no ads. I mean, there's
no viruses on my website. There's nothing. And if and
if you find that you are running into stuff like that,
you got to let me know, be polite, be courteous,

(18:51):
don't be a dragon ass. Let me know what's going on,
and I'll do my best to figure that. I always,
I always got to say that gihon ass part because
our people are mean, rude and disrespectful. And I love
being novel, love it, but I just get annoyed as
fuck with that when when people are like it was
like they're vomiting on you all the time. It's like,
God enough, already, just smile at somebody, damn it. So

(19:14):
I'll look into that. So if you get a chance,
just creating accounts and and then just share because all
you gotta do is just share the link. Create an
account allows you to share that link so you can
post it. Because one of the reasons why I'm doing
stuff like that is so that there's not spam and
all kinds of stuff on there that people want to
post up. And also ads. If you've got free ads,
like you want to promote some of your shows or whatever,

(19:36):
make it in a landscape view and then just shoot
it over to me and then I'll post it in
front of your your videos like as an ad so
that people can see it.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh hell yeah, free of charge, free charge. But uh yeah,
that that's what this music video came about. And honestly,
it was like, I just wanted to make good music. Well,
I wanted to get to a tone and spread my
music to where I could listen to it way in

(20:07):
the future and not really come this far. This is
what I mean by like stirring up a pot and
catching people's eyes and hot. It caught this guy named.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Nicholas, which is Sean Klenn.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
And it caught his eye and I was thinking, like, oh, man, dude,
some of our bandmates actually.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Watch used to watch his YouTube, and.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Like, oh dude, it's like reading a rock star and
he wanted to work with us, and I was just like, oh, ship, Like,
I don't even know what the fucking say really is.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh is he a native dude or non native?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, he's uh, I think from half half. I believe
I forgot what he said he was.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I know he's got Naho and for sure, what's his
what's his name? I'm gonna lookhim up on YouTube as
we're talking.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Sean Clenn, Shadow Production.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Okay, but so this guy, this guy, Yeah, we saw
you guys, and he was like, this is some cool stuff.
Oh this dude right here he does the whole talking thing. Yeah, yeah,
the story. So yeah, dude, I actually I reached out
to this guy. I haven't heard nothing back. Yeah, because
I like this stuff. I like to set up. I
like a dark aura of what he was talking about.

(21:18):
I love the lighting and the show. Dude. I'm all
I'm all about marketing. I'm all about the way something looks.
Because too many people nowadays they just throw some bullshit
together and they're like, that's good enough. It seems like
to be like a like, like what people that's good enough?
To me, nothing is ever good enough. Make it better,
do it again.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right, That's that's how, That's how we are clear and fire.
You know, you don't have any filler songs.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
We don't have any filler vocals.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
We we we don't really like to say, hey, let's
just slab the vocals right there and just call that
a rap on a song and just like, no, we
gotta we gotta do a little bit further than that,
you know, add more depth.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Something's wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
We got how to have like the creative the constructive
criticism to go further.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
How are you guys handling it as a as as
a group, as as four guys who have different minds,
four grown men? How do you how do you come
to a compromise? Like when somebody says, no, dude, I
actually really like that guitar tone right there, or or
is that little feel that we have on that little
you know, that change up and somebody else says not
that I really didn't feel that because it doesn't hit

(22:23):
right with the drums, or so how do you guys?
How do you guys? Do you guys just keep playing
it out until maybe it kind of fixes itself, or
how does that happen?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's beautiful, actually it's almost that exact same concept, but
all of us have a guitar background, so and the
guitar background.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
For each one of us is very different.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So me, I like the Devil Wars product, and that's
the kind of envision I all we thought we should
be doing okay, and I never really liked what what
the other guys put together, except for one guy, which
was actually okay.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
And nowadays it's more like I love where this.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Is going, I trust where this is going, and we
do all bring something to the table as for like
I'm sorry, I'm bearing off, but when we all work together,
when we all work together like that, it's cool. Because
one guy has like a Lamb of God and as
Blood runs Black kind of playing style and he loves

(23:27):
to mimic that, and the other the main guy who
created a playing fire, has like a trivium kind of
a feel all the time.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
And the basis I.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Think he I think he's just like nice and chill
all around from whatever's welcome. Welcome.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah. I know, I'm always saying like if I if
I actually put together a band, I'm gonna be a
basis because I just want to hit the top the
top string.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
And when we all said down and we have we
have our whole album set right now, right now. We
do have it all set, but we let it sit
for quite a while, and then we come to something
new and we come back to it later as like, hey,
with these new ideas right now, such as like Grave Dancer,

(24:20):
what do we feel like we should do to this
old one? So it's more like instead of setting it
in stone, it's more like we grow with every single
song that that we get.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
To its peak.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Dude, you know what that makes me think? You know what?
When when when when mom makes bread? Right when she
when she's making that not as kindness, just before she
even gets to that part, she has to go. And
this is why everybody loves Bluebird. Right, you get to
take the bread you make, I mean the flower, you
make the dough, and then you always it always sits
there forever. It always drives you drives me nuts because
it's like I want to eat that and put butter

(24:54):
on it right now. So then it's but it has
to sit there and it has to do it's things
so it can be ready. No, that's not ready yet.
And then and then when you get it and this
she makes a fluffy cloud like big old tortilla and
you're like, ah, this is what I've been waiting for
it to mix it. So that's that's what it sounds like.
You're describing your music is like it's like it's sitting there,

(25:15):
it's setting. I love it.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, And with every single, with these singles that are out,
they've hit their like peak creativity with each one of us,
I believe, and with all that such as like tone
sing with guitar tone, with every single there's a different
kind of tone and every song is very different from
the next.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's like that.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Because of how creative our boundaries can push us. We
got like death course sounds, and we've got like metal
course sound, and then we we're trying a thrashcorese sound.
We tried an acoustic song already, which is fucking nuts.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wait do you have that acoustic one up online? Or
was that?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, that's actually up?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
And then's fucking cool too, because we did this song
called a Spire and that's already out.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
This is before I went into prison.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
This song was supposed to be helping me while I
was in prison, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Just be hopeful kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
And then when I got out. My guitarist is saying like, hey,
I'm I did this little piece.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm not too sure if you're comfortable with it.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
But it was just aspired, just the chorus part, and
I was like, holy shit, you know what, if you're
gonna make it acoustic, make it an original, and then
you can have both songs to metal and the acoustic,
I don't fucking care. You can take all of it
to it. That's beautiful, dude, I'm before that. Yeah, I
like that, And so he did, and that shit.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is fucking cool.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And it's more understandable and relatable too, because people who
doesn't scream, people who can't understand screaming, they.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Can understand the lyrics on what depth they carry.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I'm not going to brag and say I'm the best,
but I do try out different kind of vocal techniques.
It's not one different different it's not one same thing.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Every single time.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, we tried so.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Many different things and it's cool, and same thing with
guitar and guitar tone and tunings.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's different.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And we we just do that because we want to
see how far we can push each other a little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
How many songs you got on your Your album's not
out yet? Am I understanding that? Now? You guys are
working on it right now? You guys are, yeah, just
kind of sitting back and you're letting it kind of
marinate a little bit, and that way you can go
back and you know, tweak it to where you feel like, Okay,
that's that's the that's the way I want it to sound.
So how many songs are you sitting on right now

(27:38):
for the album?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
For the whole album?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Twelve twelve songs? Okay? And then how many of the
songs are the songs that are here on your on
your YouTube channel?

Speaker 3 (27:52):
How many.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
On the album are going to be yeah, are released?
I'm worried it's really wrong.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
But I know to me, yeah, uh, we're gonna awaken up.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Think of six.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
I think we're like halfway through and we didn't want
to release it.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, so six, So six of them? Six of them?
And then are you gonna make music videos for each
one of them? Or how are you guys gonna do this?

Speaker 3 (28:24):
There there's one more music video I believe, and that
one needs to be set.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Up for.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Shooting for which song?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I believe?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Hell? Ben?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Right now now I'm on vacation, so when I get back,
I'm recapped right after the phone call and when I
get back tomorrow or recap everything that's gone on this
week with everybody. But yeah, I believe hell Ben is
the next one that I think we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Okay for the Grave Dancer music video. What hack? Because
on your YouTube channel there's four hundred and twenty nine
views two days ago, and on Shan clin Shadow Productions,
sorry Shank Clinton from sucking up your name, you got

(29:24):
two point two thousand views two days ago. How is this? Like,
is this stuff kind of blowing your mind? Because I mean, dude,
that's a lot of views.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, you have no idea, That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
But like we stirred up something and everyone loves it. Yeah,
and not like stirred up pissed people up, like stirred up,
like people are understanding where what the hell is it's
going to? Yeah, and people are excited and I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It makes me really speechless.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
On what the hell is going on? And catching views
from other bandmates is fucking cool and people are like
that's sick, that's awesome, Like, yeah, this is way cool.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I'm excited for you. But I can tell you excited
as far as shows. What do you guys got going on?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
This is a part that we do actually have a
problem with, which is a drummer. We don't have a drummer,
and another drummer from another band is willing to do
the same exact lineup with his band and also drum
for our band.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
So who's the drummer in the music video?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Uh, it's all uh MIDI, there's no there's no drummer
in the music video.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
You don't see him.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
He's just man oh ship Huh. I didn't even notice that, Like, wow,
that you know what? That's that's it. I pay attention
to little details. I pride myself on that, and for
some reason I did not notice no drummer. I'm looking
at it again right now. You're right, there's no drummer.

(31:05):
Damn Shanklin. Pretty good, y, bro.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's probably the great quality of the music.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, well the music, the music video, I mean, this
thing really disguised it very well, very nice. That's pretty
cool because like normally, like if I watch something, I'm
always looking at a nitpicking stuff all the time. People
always like, oh, you's too critical, No, you got to
be critical because how can are people how can a
people rise to the excellence if we don't push ourselves

(31:31):
and we say, no, dude, that's not good enough. Keep
going right, we gotta be better. We got to keep
pushing it. And and I'm always looking at stuff, and
so I didn't even notice the no drummer. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
And what's amazing about playing fire?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
H Everyone's liked that.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Everyone's got that nick, everyone's got.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
That OCD about them in the band.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
And the guy are are the lead guy who created
Clay and Fire does the recording too, so he's like,
if this metal doesn't work all out, I would still
like to don't be offended if I still continue to
record other bands because I hear Potential and other Reds bands.

(32:19):
It's just the quality sounds shitty. I don't mean to
say shitty, but I would like to offer my services
to make myself like do what I love and what
I love is music literally just music engineering. If you
don't be offended if I turned Clay and Fire into
like a group thing where it's all around for native

(32:40):
to use, like, wow, that's way far ahead.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
But I'm for it.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
So which one who who's the founder? Uh? Andre Dixon,
Andre Dixon, Okay, so I'm looking at the music video
right here, there's a guy in a hat, he's doing
some singing, and then there there's the other guy with
the shaved kind of like the shaved head trouble your guy,
and I think.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
The guy in the white jacket, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Okay, so he's the founder of the band. So I
want to know what the band name means, what it
stands for.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
What Andre said is pretty much from what where we
came from as a Native American, how we were shaped.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's about that, Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Does he have like a cool story to go with
it or anything or is it just like that's it.
I believe that.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
But if you ask him, all.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Right, all right, I had to ask him about that.
That sounds cool. I like, I like these little these
cuts in this video. Man, there's a lot of little
like the scene where you guys are on your knees
and then you know, then looking at I like that
little transition right there? Was that hard to shoot that?
Did you guys do a lot of shots and a
lot of takes?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I actually no, Surprisingly, we thought it it was gonna
take all day. We thought it was just gonna suck
and because everyone wasn't feeling good.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Turns out.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
No, no, we're just all like had low energy, not
really and it was cold and windy that day, so
ill and my allergies flare up, the killers that the yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
So the we're location is this that right? Because you
guys are on top of Mesa. You had some cool
drone footage and then you get some cool like just
a bunch of close ups and then the lighting, I
like that blurred lighting and all that. Where is this that?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, that's that's not painted desert right by winds.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Well okay, and then you guys all jumping right, and
then you guys head out there. What's the crew look like?
Just you guys and in Chanklin.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
We're all in our own vehicles. There's a couple of
their ladies there, and then Chunklin and his lady.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Okay, well, dude, I really appreciate you taking the time
to talk and just kind of touch based on this.
When you guys, if you guys ever share some music
online or if you create an account or not, I

(35:16):
fully understand at this point from what you were saying,
but I'll definitely take your your links and pop them
on there. The I'm really excited for the future of
Clan Fire, especially if you keep doing music videos. I
keep continuously over the past twenty five years, continuously tell
people you gotta make music videos. It's a music is

(35:38):
a visual medium, you like. That's what made NTV Headbanger's
Ball so big, That's what makes YouTube so big. It's videos.
People want to see some stupid shit. They want to
see fun stuff. They want to see cool graphics, they
want to see all these different things. They also want
to see them their own face or somebody who looks
like them or reminds them of who they are whatever.
Because I was in the military and dude, right doing

(35:59):
they ship for me to see up there? You know,
I was always walking up to people like, hey, bro,
what nation you were? Oh, dude, I'm a And then
they'll tell me like there's some kind of islander or
something or whatever, and I'm like, dang, and it's it. Yeah,
they're native, but it's not the same like when you're
when you're you're trying to find a publo or a
Navajo or something you know that you can connect with
it and to be able to see somebody like like
you guys would how badass you got your video if

(36:23):
I was. If I was some dude who fucking was
feeling down and I've watched this stuff, I'm like, fuck, yeah,
turn this ship up, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah? Uh that's fucking sick, dude.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
The next music video is gonna be that hell Bent
with the guest vocalist from the vocalist from uh Ah
Salvation blot.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, what are you guys thinking about? What your ideas
for that?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That one?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
I believe it is going to be shot at windflow
in windflow in windflow, Okay, but like, do you get
any ideas for graphics sort of thing?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is it just like red scenes?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
See, I'm the I'm the one who came up with
the idea on.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Doing this whole great Dancer run, like not the not
the shots or anything, but my idea of what I
wanted it to be, like, right, I wanted us to
be praying from my first person point of view, looking
at a pair of feet and then putting my head
up and seeing like an elder. But what what came

(37:38):
about was pretty.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Beautiful as well. Yeah, no, these.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Are just like ideas that I just came about and
I think the next one is going to be we
haven't we haven't got there yet.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Well, dude, keep me posted, man. I mean, like, even
if even if it's just small short quick phone interviews
or whatever, you know, I want to I want to
keep people updated on what you guys are doing, or
you guys or if you guys, even shoot like a
like a promo video, right, you gotta shoot a little
promo video and you're like, hey, what's up everybody, This
is so and show from cleaning blah blah, and there's

(38:13):
our new song. Yeah yeah, and check it out and boom.
Just compress it so it's not a huge file, or
just when you pop it on on YouTube, just share
the link and then I'll pop it in there. Even
if you use that as an AD or something like that.
I'm pretty versatile. I just trying to tweak the whole

(38:34):
cloud setting so that you know, like the pitch can
load faster and so. And at this point, I guess
there's bug somewhere, so I gotta figure what's going on
with that. But I really want people to be able
to tune into native entertainment and be able to find
a kind of music that they want to listen to
and dude, this this song right here, like the music
that what I heard from Grave Dancer, that's definitely gonna

(38:56):
be on my playlist.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Hell yeah, but yeah, make an account and then I'll record,
not record, I'll put all the links to.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
The album on there.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
They're singles now, but I'll just put all the single
leaks on there.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah that's perfect. I mean, in this day and as,
nobody's gonna listen to a full album all the way
through unless that unless it's really something they wanted to
listen to or they've already heard about. So singles boom perfect.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Hell yeah, all right, do you have any other question?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
No, that was it, man. I just wanted to pitch
base with you. Like I said, I really appreciate you
taking the time. I know you're on your vacation. Enjoyed
the rest of your vacation. And shout out to Shanklin
Shadow Productions because the music video turning out badass. It
compliments the music very nicely. And that's it. Bro, You
have yourself a great even Thank you too.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Man.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Later late