The Kyle OC Project, an interview

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, yeah, thanks for taking the time to talk with me.
I fucking love your damn music. Man, Like, tell me
about what's up? Man, tell me about who you are,
what's your origin story, how'd you get into this? Are
you in the Bend? What's up? I want to know everything, man.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh, I appreciate it first. Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, you know, I've been trying to do this ship
for a long time. Man, I mean fucking long ass time.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
How long is a long time ship? Man? Probably like
ever since I was in a Bend a long time ago,
probably about like eight years ago. I want to say,
who was that Banko Phoenix amongst the Dead?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay? Is that a local band here in New Mexico
somewhere or yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
That was We were originating in Gallop Gallop.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah we Uh that.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Was kind of.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I guess, uh where It's not really started, but you
know when I actually, you know, made my.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Debut, I guess you could say, but.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
From Gallup, Uh native, lived lived there most of my
whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know, I've been playing guitars for.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Like ten years now, since I don't know, like maybe
I was and eleven twelve or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Self taught.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Uh, just you know, people seeing family members and you know,
some a couple of people around me, you know, with
guitars and stuff and playing okay, and so you know,
I tried to ask them to teach me, but they're like, no,
just doing at yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So it's pretty much what I did. And I was
hook man just you know, sitting there.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I think I had an old ass fucking Fender family.
We had a family guitar. It was like a Fender
was a old fucking Fender.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Had that.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Then I got my acoustic, you know, and then you know,
just from there on, just kind of went from.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
There and just kept playing and playing and ain't really
much to do on the is you know that then
just play.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
So that's what I did, you know, played till my
fingers hurt, and went through mid school, high school, uh,
you know, did all that shit. And originally during high school, ah,
I played along with one of my best friends and.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Just kind of hang uh just hung out, you know
on the weekends and whatnot, and.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Just he played the drums and pretty much you know,
just trying to find an app and play along with
him and whatnot. And we did that for a few years. Yeah,
we got older, graduated and all that and then uh
kind of put it down.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
For a little bit. That's when I went when it
went out yonder to go you know, go to school
and ship.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
But eventually moved back and uh, you know, just got
back into the circles again and me and my best friend,
you know, just got back together because we were just
you know, I was back and we started playing again
and we started we we we we did talk about

(03:36):
it a few times, but you know we weren't really
into that sense, I guess, or that into that scene yet.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I mean I wanted to, but.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
He like the res metal scene or what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
No, Like he he had a job, We both had jobs,
and we you know, he just you know, we just
had our lives.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know, we were just trying to make ends me
ship like that, and you know it was basically it
was just us to like.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
We we sat there, you know, manyon times and you know,
we talked about it. It was kind of like, how would
you say, it was just like a therapy.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And I guess you could say, yeah, yeah, you're just
jamming at you're just kind of releasing some some some
inks and stuff, right you like, yeah, pick up the
six string. Let's let's grind it out a little bit, cool, bro,
let's go that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, basically, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So the stuff you got right now, the stuff that's
over at Native Native Entertainment, the stuff you uploaded over
at Native y and T dot com. That that stuff
right there, that's some cool ship that you're working on.
Tell me, tell me about that. What's going on with that?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
So so that, like you said, that was the past,
and then now it's like since I left the you know,
I left the Ben I don't even remember. Man, it's
probably about eight six years ago or whatever.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
We uh.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I was going to come back to do another band
and just didn't work out.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
And now.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Just because of how everything's played out, you know, I
kind of wanted to get back into the music realm,
but you know, because of my work situation, you know,
I travel a lot.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
So now I was just kind of it's.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Kind of hard to you know, get in a band,
you know, because I'm not back in New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So yeah, you're in the coast right now, right, You're
in the East coast right now.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm right now, I'm talking to you in Georgia.
I'm in construction and dance the weekend. So I'm just chilling.
But yeah, I've had plenty of plenty of opportunities to
be in Bends. You know.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I helped some some guys out and I'll help some
of my my my friends and Shadows Shadows remain and
then helped out the colonized for show and anyway, the
music that's uh that I'm doing now, it's just stuff
that you know, I just been. I just kind of

(06:10):
pulled up out of thin air, I guess you could say,
because I got all my I got my travel gear.
You know, I always wanted to take my all my
ship with me. But you know, I have hashtacks. You know,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I have one solid state app, but you know, looking
that shit around with all my other stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I gotta I gotta have, you know, because you know, I'm,
like I said, I travel and sometimes you know, I'm months,
you know, stuck out.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I had a job site for months.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
So right now the videos that you uploaded are those
older videos? Are they like current? Now?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
They're current? Man?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You travel with that big ass fucking monitor. Your what
kind of computer are you working on there?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
As well? Window Actually let me run down my my gear.
So I have an Apple laptop. I gotta interface.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I got the mic that came with it, with the interface,
the headphones that came with it, my two guitars.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So again, what kind of interface you get?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Uh, that's a scarlet. I think it was like a origin.
I think it was there two I too, I don't remember, dude.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's the Scarlet solo.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I got my two guitars, the s string Irons and
the six string Jackson Dinky.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
R G on the Agoness.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And uh, the monitor, the big, biggest monitor you see,
that's not mine.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's basically the Airbnb.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I'm saying that that's that that belongs to there.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
So I just kind of hooked.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Up to it. Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
So yeah, those videos I uploaded to the page there,
that's all just.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know, me, me dialing in my fucking tones and ship.
I bought some plugins from the internet.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So I got a few right now.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I have some talents, some plugins from STL Tones, and
I got something from uh uh Bogrin.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah that's how you say bugging.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I bought some of theirs.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I got drum plug ins and just basically the tones
and app you know, Sattings and just kind of sat there, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
This sounds really good, dude, like, uh, the because the
drums on there, I was like, how the fuck is
he doing the drums? I thought maybe like you were
playing drums or something like. That's got to be a
kit or something. Because I fuck around with Easy Mix.
I don't know if you've heard of easy Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I fucking love Easy Mix. They have these because I
don't have a I don't have an AMP or anything,
so I'm like, fuck, I want to jam out, and

(08:54):
so I got these headphones and then I was like,
how am I gonna do this? So I was watching
this dude Oleg. He does this chug chug sessions or
whatever online.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Know I'm talking about and yeah. So I was watching
him and I was like fuck yeah, because he has
this thing because I think it's called a does it
chug right? Yeah? And I love watching that stuff. I'm like,
oh man, let me see if just chugs. I know
it's gonna chug, but I'm watching it anyway. And uh,
and he was talking about some stuff or or I
don't know, maybe one of the videos that uh because

(09:25):
you go down a rabbit hole sometimes right, But anyway,
I got got ahold of this easy mixed stuff and
I found these plugins and it's fucking badasses. Like they
have like these old school sounds, you know, like from
the early nineties era, you know, Cannibal Corps, death metal
kind of stuff, all the way up through the years,
you know, with the like the progression of the way

(09:46):
different sounds are different styles of black metal sounds and everything.
Oh yeah, Oh, I fucking love it. I plugged that
ship in and I do simple shit. I work in
garage band and I just kind of click on this stuff,
put in my my guitar, and I love that stuff.
You when you're when you're jamming on this stuff, are
you are you using the plugins with an AMP channeling
that through into your system or you are you going

(10:07):
plugging straight in?

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm just plugged straight in, man. I mean I did
the same thing like you did. I watched a shit
ton of fucking videos. I mean, like I said, it
this what I'm doing now. It's it's man, It's it's
a long thing coming, man. I mean I done research,
I watch videos. I mean everything down because like I said,
you know, when I.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
First went out to my jobs, you know, I was
sitting around.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And you know, sometimes these jobs have some a lot
of downtime, and one time I was sitting there and
I'm like, fuck man, I was like, you know, I
just got done writing some shit at the house, and
I was like, you know what, I was like, it'd
be nice to.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know, fucking play this shit. You know, well I
ain't doing shit.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So anyway, so I did all my research and know all.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
That, and basically what I'm doing is I got the plugins.
I had Reaper I but I've used you know, Audacity,
which was like free and I was like my little
intro to doing this stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I tried Audacity. I don't really care for it. I've
never tried Reaper. I've thought about it, but I just
I don't know. For some reason, I just never have.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah. When I was in the band with Phoenix, you know,
I I recorded it's kind.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Of like a dr DI I Wide are our two
songs we had out, and it's fucking hilarious, dude, because
the first one you can seek and it's like night
and day. The first one is like my very first
fucking go at it. You know, it needs it needed
a lot of work and then the second one was
just like it's there. But those two tracks I did

(11:44):
for the band, they were from Audacity and again, man,
getting into it, you know, the hours and time that
I fucking spend on it, you know, and it just
I always wanted to do shit like that, and I
never knew how to do it, so I just kind
of figured it out, I guess.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But anyway, the so basically I'm running the Reaper and
then I run.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
The plugins, and I run it through STL tones and
the other native instruments and I got that downloaded, so basically,
and then I just go straight in from my guitar
to the interface, into the interface, into the laptop, and
then from the laptop.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
There I go ahead and start messing around with you know,
I mean, and then the plugins I have. I mean,
it's it's all of the uh.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I mean, there's just so much in those in that
and that I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
You would call it software or software.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, I mean, there's just so many settings and so
many things you can do.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I mean again, I sat here for.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I mean I probably sat here hours man hours upon
hours just going through each and every setting, changing things,
seeing how certain things sound and like I said, just
dial in my tone, and.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Uh yeah, the clarity that you got on your I'm jealous.
The clarity that you got on not only excuse me
drinking coffee still in the bourbon, the clarity that you
got on your guitar tone. You know, the because there's
distortion and then there's distorted, right, Yeah. And I come

(13:32):
across a lot of times where my ship comes up
distorted and I'm like, what the fuck happened there? That's
not really good llphones or some ship, right, and like
fucking that. And oh and I'm a three chord guy.
I don't know how to read notes on jack ship,
but I just do three chord stuff. I like chugging.
I like muffling it, you know, with it with the
meat of your just yeah, palm, muting. I just love

(13:55):
doing that kind of stuff that like to me, like
the way you said, you guys are just jamming out
to kind of decompress, right, That's kind of what I do.
A lot of times I'm like I want to go
fucking kick a dog, and I'm like, let me go
grab myar or something. And and I find death metal
like what I call and and let me just clarify this.
I call all of this ship death metal. You know,

(14:16):
like there's I used to be a metal snob where
you're like, oh no, let's grind cross core with a
couple of funk all that. I love guttural, I love heavy,
I love distorted, and I like I like a guttural
vocals more than I like scream vocals. I like I
like because I like I'm even on Death's older albums,

(14:38):
I like the uh, the more guttural stuff compared to
the later and he was like screaming, and yeah, the
same thing has happened to kind of carcass for a
little while there, and I was like, but so sometimes
I'll just be therapy. Like for therapy, I'll just kick
on some stuff and I'll just grind and I'll yelling
and it sounds fucking badass, and maybe it's because I'm

(14:59):
fa too, but fucking but I listen to it and
it's so distorted. So your sound is so crisp, like
the the vocals when you're when when I was looking
at your video and I was looking at the vocals,
I was like, the vocals sound really clear. It doesn't
sound like you're you're you're busting you know, it sounds
like you're yelling into the micro so so good or

(15:20):
so close to it sounds like that little plastic that's
in there, that little rubber or you know, talking about it. It
sounds like it pops right yeah. Yeah. And then and
then also like with the with the sound of your
your your your guitar mhm, coupled with the drums, and
the drums are really clear, and I'm like, how the

(15:41):
fuck did he get this ship? So? God dam, I'm
over here like a monkey trying to press my.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Work daddy.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like I said, Dude, I mean ship. I always say
this with fucking practice. I mean he dial ship in
and that's basically where it came from, man, I mean
when out, like I said from And I started recording
the Bend, uh.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Like two years ago or for the two years ago
I'm sorry, the two tracks.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Man, Like I went through all of that, dude, I
swear to God, like I sat there and I was like, why.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
The fuck is this distorted?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Like motherfucker, The vocals fucking sound like shit, the drums
sound like shit.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean it was just.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Hours, man, hours and hours and hours. I mean I
worked a night job. I was a janitor, back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
And.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Uh, on the weekends, I'd go to the jam spot
out there and go and.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Fucking just hunker in.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Man, just sat there and just fucking played with everything.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
You know, I had. We had audacity, Like I said,
we didn't have fucking shit. Man, We didn't have ship.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
We had cheap ass mics, fucked up MIC's, we had,
we duct taped everything to god.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Knows what we had for the druma.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I mean, I'm serious, man, I mean we fucking had nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
One of the guys had had a nice fucking.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
A mixer, an old, an old ass mixture, but it
was huge, but it fucking I sat there again, dude,
just hours and hours just sitting there, going through every
little thing, reading and like I said, I was already
doing research.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Too for everything else of just music.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Back in the day, you know, before I lived in Albuquerque.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
H This was like fucking two thousand and seven eight.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I wanted to do what I'm doing now, so I
but again, like I said, I didn't know anything. I
didn't know where to start, where to you know, videos
back then, you know, YouTube was barely coming out, but
it wasn't the YouTube we know today. YouTube was just
like whatever videos were there, you know, we're on there,
but there wasn't really any.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
It was kind of like the way TikTok is right now,
like just a bunch of like goofy ship like people
dancing and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's what's what's your
goal here? Like do you want to form a band?
Because this ship sounds fucking top notch. And then you
sent me a message and you said this ship sounds
fucking badass, and I wanted to hear it, but I

(18:28):
don't want to be a dick and be like, hey,
send it to me, you know, but I'm curious about music.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
But like I said, the whole thing is just dialed in.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
And then it just took years and they just sit
there and just fuck around with it, watch videos, do
your ship. But with what I'm trying to do now
is since I cannot, you know, I can't get into
the scene because you.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Know, my job, you know, I got to Uh.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I was just you know what, I'll just be a
fucking you know, honestly in the YouTube guitarist you know,
or gotta just you know, does like what I like,
I was telling you, like riffage Sundays and today is
going to be my first video for solo Saturday. So yeah,
I mean just just getting my ship out there.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Man, I mean, I mean, I'm I guess you could
say just it's just because of the way.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Of my my situation now.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
You know, it's hard for me to be in a band.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
And right now I got two bands that are that
want me to write for them, which is fine, like
I said, now that I kind of figure shot out,
you know, and writing ship, I mean, I can kill riffs.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Left and right out of nowhere and you just kind
of go with it and make something out of it.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm not I don't
think I can be in a band right now because
of just like I said, my job.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
How do you how do you do that? Let's take
a step back real quick. So how do you do that?
You said you have two bands that want you to
write for them? So when you say, right are you?
Are you writing music or you like just making it?
Like playing the music?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
What do you mean writing the music? Yeah, I'm completely scratched.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know. Oh so you know, do you know how to
read notes and everything?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Kind of I'm not a you know, expert, I am.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I want to say I'm a novice at this.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I mean, dude, I mean I I when I was
self taught, I didn't you know, all I did was
get her, you.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Know, went to the fucking store.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I got Slayer tablature and fucking Pantara tablature and sat
there and just figured it out, tunings shit like that,
figured it out. I did that and just kind of
went off of that. But then when I went to UH,
I started, I want to say more recently, within the
past year or two, I started doing music theory, just

(20:53):
whatever it was on YouTube and just going by that.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, who do you watch on YouTube for music theory?
Because because there's there's some good guys on there.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, I mean, dude, I mean I can't really say
it because I'm it's whatever's there.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I'll watch, I mean, I'll just put.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Music theory in and then just kind of skimmed through
some ship and I'll fucking.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Watch two hours video YouTube video.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Of them fucking going over tryads and fucking are augmented
chords and sustained chords and at nine at.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Seven and you know, going through the.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Sequences and the cadences and all this other ship.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'll just be sitting there and be like okay.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And then I mean for the longest time, dude, when
I left, when I said there was a I was
gonna start another band, which is what was going to
be a technic, technical death metal band with me and
my bass guitarist. He was, I know, the bass guitarist
he was. He was, he's actually a guitarist and he
wanted to.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Start a technical band and and I was like, fuck it,
let's try it. And he's showed me some riffs and
I was like, holy ship, it blew my mind. And
then he he got me into you know.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
That technical Are you talking like jink?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
No, kind of not not really, not really genty more
like you know, pronounce it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I can never get that weird you pronounce it again,
gent Gent, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Kind of like our Spire Fucking god damn. What are
some of the other ones?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I'm drawing a blank right now, our Aspire.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And fuck uh Obscura, I know.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
What you're talking about. It said stuff with me with
the breakdowns, all right, when it has like those those
crazy changes and rifts and everything.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and like like kind of like infury and all
this ship and you know, I was really into like
we all. Like, I guess not to be a metal
elitist here, but I guess I was just like, just
like you, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Like metal death metal.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
That was good vitals and then you know, the only
the only like technical shit I knew was like fucking
evening and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I thought that was technical, but I guess not. Anyway,
he opened up my thing to that, and uh we
were gonna do that and got into that music theory ship.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Because of that, and then because I just I was
just fascinated by it. I was like, god, damn it,
Like like I star.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I started to making fun of him.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I was like, dude, these are like fucking classical ship,
and he's like yeah, kind of, so we go went
down that route, and uh, now you'll bring into present.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Everything that I'm kind of doing, I guess you could
say is kind of result of that.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I mean, before that, I mean, even before I even
did music theory lessons all the.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Self or whatever on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
You know, I would just sit here and fucking play
guitar and just kind of whatever sounded good. You know,
It's like, wow, I already I already knew the fret board.
It like what kind of sounded good if I did
this or did that. You know, it's just kind of
putting things together and just kind of making something out
of it. But now, like recently, now that doing being

(24:27):
a fucking music geek and a nerd and all that,
you know, fucking it's like last night, dude, I told
you I was doing I got busy because.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
The solo for solo Saturday or do they? I mean
I've I've I've played.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Solos and like that before, but there was always this
fucking like to me, it was like there's no like
like it's missing something. And last night, you know, fucking
you know, just knowing the ship that, like I said,
being a geek and all that, finally, I mean I

(25:05):
made I made a fucking I made something, you know,
pretty excited about it.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
So we don't need to.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Do some editing on this ship.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
But when can we yea what is that? When? When? When? Uh? When?
When are you gonna upload this so we can hear
watch it?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Oh, it's gonna be today.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Like I said, I last night, when I was when
we were like messaging back and forth, I was in
the middle.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Of it, dude, I swear to God, like I didn't
fucking know. Like I looked at the time and I
was like almost ten thirty. And then next thing I
knew it. I was like, why the fuck am I
keep trying to I was doing like take after take
after take for the soul. I'm like, why the hell
is this so complicated? So finally I got it, and
then I looked in the hair like that looked at

(25:51):
the time. It was fucking three o'clock in the morning.
I was like, holy fuck. So it's good.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
It's it's all done, and need to do like two
more things and it's done, and then I'll go ahead
and upload it to all my socials and of course
onto the data entertainment.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah. The whole goal of
the thing is I'm trying to create a mecca for music,
all types of music. And I get fucking tired of searching,
scarring the Internet for native made stuff, and everybody's always like,
oh yeah, here's my link, and you go to a
link and the link's dead or something, you know, Oh yeah,
and you just got to chase around stuff all the time.

(26:37):
I'd rather when I go outside, like right now, I'm
working on my back porch, when I go outside. I
turn on Pandora because I don't support Spotify anymore. I
took off all my music on Spotify because they're not
artist friendly anymore. The're ripping off people. As an artist,
I understand you put a ton just like you just
had described it was ten o'clock and now it's three o'clock.

(26:58):
You put in a lot of work to something that
that means something to you, and it might not be
valuable to somebody else. But the way I see it
is I put my fucking time into this shit. My
fingers are fucking hurt and my throats hurt because I
do vocal stuff and and so if somebody's not gonna
support that, then fuck him. I don't want my stuff
on there, and I would rather be able to go

(27:20):
to you know, Native entertainment, find something to play while
I'm hammering, or while I got the hammer gun or
the nail gun and I'm doing some shit right because
I guess today I was up on I was building
a doorframe for French doors and stuff, and I was
up there and I was jamming out and fucking I
was like, man, I just want to jammle something else,
like I want to jam on something to know that
it's native made. So I crawled back down off the

(27:42):
ladder and I went and I played something from I
was like, oh shit, I got the string called tournament.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Oh and they clicked play and I was jamming on
Pan American Native Front and it's like some black metal
stuff and yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
I want to find out kind of music. I love
fucking hip hop, I love death metal, I love all
kind of ship and I want to find it. So yeah,
anytime you have stuff, please just upload it over there.
And and uh and you know, anytime you want to
take it down, you can always take it down. So
oh yeah, yeah, So do you have a name? Do
you have a name for? I don't know what I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Doing now, not really.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I mean, I know I would have to come up
with one, but right now, all I'm all I'm calling
it right now.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Is just the OC project. That's all I can say.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I mean, because all my other I mean, I've on
my Facebook page, I've always kind of put rich on
there since I created that page. And looking at the ship,
I you know, I'm writing it's technical, and then like

(28:54):
when I finally got you know, my setup, all of
a sudden, you know, I I did a like a
stoner dune kind of metal thing, and then these other products.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
One of the projects I did, I'm doing I'm ready
for you know. It's uh. I guess you could say,
I don't really have like one thing I'm gonna stick
to you or I want to stick to you for
the time being.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm just gonna kind of you know, I'll do some
heavy metal, I'll do some fucking you know, some fucking
sledge metal or whatever you want to call them.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I think that's that's one of the best things
about being a studio artist, because I consider myself a
studio artist and I make fucking goofy ships sometimes, like
musical stuff that I've been around with, right, what will
you do exactly? You know? Just yeah, I do country music.
I'll do all kind of ship and fucking people were like,

(29:55):
why don't you pick a lane? Fuck the lanes driving
all over the fucking wild of Booge got my football?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That good exactly? Man.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I mean it's just that, like I said, that's I've
thought of it many times, and I'm just like, you
know what, you know, It's just I'm just.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Gonna say an OC project for right now, and then
but they that technical death mental project.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
The guy came up with a name on it, and
then we kind of came together and it's called the
Human Tapestry.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
That sounds cool. So that.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I mean that song, I'll I'll send you a video
of that song. That song, man, that technical song.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
That's that was like fucking three years man, three maybe
four years of writing.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And somebody this other guy right, no, no.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, no, I mean I have one video of one
other song.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
That we were trying to do. It just it never worked.
It never worked out, man, because he went in I
A and fucking guy still has my fucking guitar too.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
He stills my fucking Jackson V.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
And this is yeah, like when we left, when we left,
uh bet when yeah, I left first the Phoenix Monks dead.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
And uh we we we wanted to do this next
project and the next thame. It just never worked out.
But yeah, I mean after he you know, showed.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Me a few things and I started sucking around, you know,
I came up with this riff.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And and it's just kind of trying to elaborate on.
Then that's pretty much where that drive for music theory came.
Because I was like I had no idea where to
go with it.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I mean, and finally, you know, like you said, just
through the years, you know, just finding ship out, I
fucking finally pieced together.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's pretty fucking technical, man. I mean, I'll let you
I'll let you watch the video.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
I mean, uh of it And like again, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's years in the making.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are you gonna up on song? Are you gonna upload
it to Native Entertainment?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I just gotta it's it's a raw recording of.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Oh no, that's fine, bro, that's fine. Like fucking again, like,
I've been changing a lot of how I see things.
I used to be real picky with shit, like you
better make sure sound yeah, watch it, this sounds good.
But also sometimes I just want to put on some
ship and watch a fucking dude fucking gam out, or
watch a band practice, or you know, some bullshit. I know,
I know, it's not like like, uh, it's not the

(32:40):
greatest thing in the world because you're like, damn, that
was thirty seconds of bullshit what I watch. But sometimes
that's what you go in for, right, You go in
for the bullshit sometimes and you're and then sometimes you're
just like fucking hey, that was only thirty seconds. Where's
the rust?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, well, like I said, I mean, that's you know,
I'll go through some time today after I get done,
you know, doing the editing and mastering of solo Saturday,
I'll go through my my videos for you Facebook and
all that and see if I can get them on

(33:15):
Native Entertainment because, like I said, all my videos that
I sat there and just played and played and played,
you know, it's on there, and.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'm talking with other musicians and ship on Facebook and
everywhere else. It's like, you know, everyone.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Kept telling me like, hey man, you have fucking killer,
fucking you know riffs and ship. You need to but
you need to record yourself better. It's like the phones
just not cutting it. Phones not cutting it.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So that's why I was like, oh shit, I mean
I'm trying to work on getting my ship, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, I'll fucking do that.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
But I don't have a song title for that song.
It's just.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
I just put self titled for I call it the t.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Th h T.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Human Tapestry, So I'm a.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Self titled track, so I have kind of lyrics for it.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
I'm I'm right now with the mini ship that I
got going on. I'm adding the drums to it, and
I've added some drums to it, but it still needs
some work.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I posted a.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Sample on it, and then again I'll on my Facebook,
but I'll go ahead and put it on Native Entertainment.
But you know, the last part of the drums on that,
you know, it's like I said, it's still the guitar
work is all figured out. It's the drums now that
I'm trying to figure out and try to piece it
all together.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Drums are hard for me. I'm always like, fucking what
should I put there? And I'll go listen to somebody,
like I'll pull up something right, and I'll listen and
I'll be like, all right, cool, I'm just gonna listen
to see how this drum hits because I don't know
jack shit abou drums. And I'm like, okay, got two
of those sounding things? Imagis three of these? And then
like here's a little breakdown with some kind of and

(35:10):
then you know, and and I'm like, all right, how
the fuck do I figure that out? So I just
kind of tap on stuff. So it sounds like that
because there's so many bands where there's so many I
was I was listening to a Dying Fetus yesterday, and
dying Fetus on on the surface is just is just right,
and and that's all on the surface. But when you
listen to Dying Fetus, there's a lot of really technical sections,

(35:35):
like a lot of these technical parts in death and
in not just in Death Model, but in Dying Fetus
is music and when you when you jam on it,
it's like that ship is that shit took some talent
to put that stuff together, because when I throw my
ship together, I'm like, all right, cool, those three chords
don't sound as good as those other three chords from
that band that just did those same three chords, you know,

(35:58):
and bye by every measure a shitty musician, but fucking
I like playing anyway. But yeah, So what is so
you got riffage, riffage Sundays, solo Saturdays, and and then

(36:21):
you got music that you're making for a couple other bands.
What do you do in regards to like, do you
have one completed song yet like that you did.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
No, okay, and why not?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
But like like I said, it's all like all the
ship that I got, it's basically brand new. I mean,
I'm just I guess you could say I have the
creation ditch that I'm just fucking creating all this ship
and pretty soon I'm gonna be like I created so much.
I evertn't fucking know where I left off at night.

(37:00):
Fucking The thing that pissed me.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Off was was I was like, hey.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I can do a solo, you know, because I always
done you know, riffs and ship like that. And I
was like, I haven't really done any solos because I
like doing solos.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
And I was like, I made a backing track and
then I was like wait, I was like, what the fuck?
I was like. Then I got pissed because I was like,
I fucking.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Knew it something I wrote.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I don't remember what I fucking played. I don't remember
the tuning. And I was like, what the fuck? What
the hell?

Speaker 3 (37:30):
And then luckily I was smart enough and then my
notes and my computer I fucking wrote down like, Hey,
this is the tuning you hey dumb ass, this is
the fucking tuning you wrote for this, And I was like.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
In that software, it has like notes like a note.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Pet yeah inside the Yeah, the laptop I had the
notes on there.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
But not the software for recording, because because that's one
thing I love about garage band and I know it's
a simple thing. And people who hear this they can
be like my man, Tito man, that guy. But I
but dude, it's simple as fuck, and I'm a simple
I'm a fucking cave man one. I like that ship. Yeah,
And I love the fact that you can write your
lyrics into it, and then you can you can like

(38:12):
when you're when you're just kind of you play the
music and then you you sing, you put your vocals
on it and stuff. Right, you can look right at
it you know where you're at, or you can look
at peaks because you're looking at the same screen, and
you can say, okay, right, there is where I want
to do a little voice inflection of some type. Right.
So yeah, So that software you have that has a
notepad built into it, make sure.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
No, it's just from the laptop.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Okay. Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Like I said, I I've I've used Audacity, and I
was the same way. We were like, hey man, just
fucking hammer work it, do it right and ship.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now, like I said, again, with all my time of
being a fucking geek.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I I I heard about Reaper a long time ago
when I was recording Phoenix Manksidad.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
We we bought it. It was like sixty bucks and
we were good. I was gonna use it. But then
everything I had or we.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Had was on Audacity, and I already kind of figured
out Audacity, and I was like, you know what, let me,
let me just do these We were gonna do uh
an LP with all our songs.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think it was like twelve songs we had.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
And.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I started, you know, looking into that and.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
The whatnot, and we got I got to do Reeper,
and I started checking Reeper out when we had it,
and it freaked me out because it was like it
was a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Man, it was a fucking lot.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
I didn't know what the fuck, where to go, what
to do, started watching videos and I mean it was
just you know, I went into forms and I started
reading forms and shipped on it and it was like
you could do a lot with it, and I was like,
holy shit. So I still haven't really figured it out
all the Reaper yet.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I know, like I said, there was, there's plenty of
options out there.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
There's pro tools, there's Audacity, there's the fucking real high
end uh pro tools.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I mean, there's just a ton and ton of fucking ship.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Out there on your music, so I think I might.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
We'll see like I mean that that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I mean, it's what I've learned just from the years
of me doing it. And again, I recorded the band Fuck.
I think that last video I did.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
On on.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
What what we had, what I what I did for
the band for Phoenix. It's actually available still on uh
reverb Nation, and I have I would have to look
it up right now just to tell you exactly what
year it was.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
But from that point to now and going through everything.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's not basically I mean the software, yes, it does
play a part, but then it's just the editing and
mastering part of it and knowing what you know to
use to.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Make everything sound clear. That's basically where it comes in.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's just I guess, the the knowledge I guess you
could see. I mean, like I said, if you go
back and listen to Phoenix Amongst the Dead, and you
hear the first song I did with Audacity, which was
Crushed Below Shadows, and then you hear the next song
I did with Audacity for we are a threat.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
It is night and day. Man, it's night and day.
And it's just like I said, I mean you can.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I could if I made that with Audacity, and I
mean audacity was free.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's free, doll And we did a remember we.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Did a radio interview.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I forgot the fucking.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Hold on, hold up, let me And for somebody's out
there who's not really, I don't know why somebody would
be listening this far into it if they're not a
music but a dog breakdown? What do means? D A w.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Digital?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Now you got me? All it's at all.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Basically what it is, it's uh, it's a digital audio workstation,
That's what it is. And basically all it is is
just an application or software. Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It's just used for like recording, editing songs, you know, voice.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Whatever you can put on a computer laptop, And basically
it's just getting.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's an Orivent's version of garage band because there's different
versions of DOS and you're using you're using Reaper, which
is a way more advanced version in garage band because
you have way more features with audio, sound compression, all
that stuff. And I and I can, I can hear
it because if you listen to my music, you go
to native entertainment. All my stuff is under gooder kind.

(43:21):
And so I have a that's I'm doing air quotes band.
It's called good Kin And so I've used nothing primarily,
nothing but loops and stuff because I've I do everything
under good kind. I do all my hip hop stuff,
all my metal stuff, everything. I'm like, ah fucking.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
And you can hear the difference between stuff I've made
and the stuff you made. Your stuff is super fucking clear.
There's only one of the band that I've heard that
is super goddamn crisp like that and it sounded beautiful.
There's a a band called Left to Rot their Pueblo

(44:05):
and yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Them, fuck yeah, the boys that they need to get
back together?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, oh cool? You know them? Yeah yeah awesome, Yeah,
so fucking uh Nick? You know Nick? Yeah yeah, yeah,
my boy Nick. That motherfucker right there is before the
before the plandemic happened. I was. I called him up
and I said, hey, bro, let's fucking form of band.
I just want to form something simple. I want to
remake a bunch of my music that I've that I've done,

(44:33):
like turn some of those hip hop joints into metal joints,
and and then redo some of the metal joints into
like just like live band ship right. And I said,
I don't really give a fuck about going on tour
and doing all that ship right. I just I want
to I want to I want to jam, I want
to feel the strings. I want to I want to
do the vocals. And I was like, I'm gonna be
the fucking vocals, and and uh, I just want to

(44:56):
redo a bunch of this stuff. And I said, let's
make it really simple. Let's think about it like s
O D Meets Pennywise, right, and and He's all like, fuck, yeah, bro,
let's do it, and had a goddamn pandemic happen. And then,
uh So I was talking to him not too long ago.
I've been trying to convince him to get on the show,
to uh uh, to get interviewed, talk about his music
and you know stuff like that. I've uh, I've talked

(45:17):
to him many times about like we should form a company.
Mac is fucking to so much badass native talent man
and and a lot of people are just fucking lost
between you and I are two knuckleheads. We can figure
something out so that we can build a company around this,
you know. And and he's and we just all we
all been doing is just talking about it, and uh,
it drives me nuts. But he is one of the

(45:37):
best circling back around. He is one of the best,
I want to say, producers. If you if you listen
to like, like I remember the first time I heard
their music. He brought a some music over and he's like,
chick cut bro, and I put it in, like, god damn,

(45:59):
that fuck is is grade a red book quality, badass
clarity that's mastered. Where the fuck do you take that?
And he said, I did it? And he was telling
me and he was telling me how he did it,
and I was like, wait a minute, you just did
that on your computer and he's like yeah, And so
he was kind of just talking about this. He's a

(46:20):
music too. He plays all kind of instruments, and the
fucking dude's music is so good. That's how. That's how
when I hear clear, when I hear people who know
what the fuck they're doing, I normally compare them to
left the rock Nick right, because because that guy he
plays all kinds of instruments and he's he's an audio
whiz and he's a fucking down to earth cool right,

(46:41):
and like your ship is that clear, and that that detailed.
If you never formed bands for yourself, or even if
you do, and I would, I would encourage you to
create like a recording company of some type.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Because the the ability to record music, and you use
simple term because I'm a dumb guy. The ability to
record clear music.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So that when you when you play it back, it
actually sounds good on any speaker is very hard. I
know this because I'm a num skull and I've I've
played stuff where in I'm sitting at my desk. It
sounds great. Coming out to speakers, it sounds awesome. Put
it on headphones sounds terrible, and I go back and forth.
Or I'll put it in the car sounds fucking awesome.
Yeah yeah, and I'll put in someone else's ride. I'm like,

(47:27):
why the fuck is my voice so distant? Yeah? Yeah, exactly,
So like this like this, this d a w the
the dow that you have is it seems to be
fucking working very well with you. If I could pair
you with anybody, it would be probably Nick and you
guys would probably make some goddamn magic.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Oh yeah, I mean there's uh kind of a It's
funny you start talking about, you know, how no one
really knows where to go, you know, and the Native
community for metal and shit. Because when I when we
were in the band, you know, our first our first show,

(48:07):
which pissed me off, it really did, because we didn't
have any music out. No one knew the fuck we
were and the guitars we had the band had three guitars.
If you didn't know that, there was three guitars, no
bass drums, and it was Phoenix monkst did and I learned.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Their songs and we were trying to find a singer.
But you know, everyone I came in, you know, we
were they were playing music, and it just didn't. It
just never connected.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
So finally one day I told the guys, it's like, look,
I don't sing, but I can I do some good
rules and shit, you know, I don't know how it
will sound.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I was like, I don't know if that's the way
you guys wanted, but let's try it.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So we did and it was just like I guess whatever.
Well after that and we did a few more practices
and you know, I kind of got the routine down
and some lyrics down. The guitarist comes back and says, hey, man,
I got our first show, and I was like, what
the fuck dude.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I was like, why the fuck did you do that?
I was like, we don't even have anything ouse.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It's like, it's a big fucking mistake, Like people will
know who the fuck we are.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Uh specfest.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
With Spec and he that first the first specfast I
guess you could say, was Flotsam and Jetsam and we
fucking got on that.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
That was the show we got.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I was Flotsam and Jetsam, yeah, head money, yeah yeah.
So from there I went into you know, the whole
fucking Native mental community, you know, because it was a
festival and uh, I was talking to everybody and whatnot,

(49:59):
and from that point to.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Even well, I want to say now.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
But from that early on in two thousand and I
don't even remember when it was twenty twelve, eleven.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Or something, I don't know, everyone I talked to was
like yeah, man, like I don't.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Know, like I want to do this, but I just
no one no one's doing it or no one's you know,
there's nothing out there and then it's like what the fuck?
And I was like and every and then like yourself,
like meeting people and like hey you do this, and
it's like yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I was like, well, why don't you fucking go and
do it? And everyone's attitude was like, oh, come on, man.
It's like I don't got shit, I don't have anything.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I don't really have much.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
It sounds like shit yeah, and it's and that was.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
My same thought with finding people, is like, look it
just fucking do it, man.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
I was like, no, one won't know until you actually
do it, and you know, and then you got to
do it, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
There was I met tons of people like that who
were like, yeah, I checked this out, I recorded this,
and this is the next song we're going to do.
But it was always this was the next song we're
going to do. It's like, oh, okay, cool, and I
was like, dude, what the fuck, Like, do you have
any anything online or anything.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Or a CD O. They're like oh no, man, this
is just here.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
And I'm like, dude, what you just played me is
fucking awesome. You should fucking put that on a CD.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And they're like, oh, man, no, you know, I can't
do that, and it's like you just fucking did it.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
It's like you just fucking did it, man, like fucking
do it, like threw us.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Put it out online. And again, this was when the
only thing everyone was doing back in the day was
fucking band camp. Yeah, everyone was band camp, and no
one really knew how to get.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
On the iTunes Spotify by that came out, you know,
so it was I really understand when people say that,
and you know, when other people say that, it's like, hey,
you know, people were where to start. And when you
really actually do it, you find out that there's a
lot of shit out there that you know will.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Help you get it done.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
I mean, just take me, for instance, I didn't know
what the fuck I was doing recording. We the band
went to a recording studio to see how much of
it costs, flat out the door.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It was like eight.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Hundred, nine hundred dollars expensive.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, and then that guy told me this told us.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
He goes and he goes, just to let you know,
that's eight nine hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Down, And I was like, what the fuck do you
mean down? He goes, Yeah, that's down. He goes. We
could find something, we could change something.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And then he goes, that's just to keep you guys recorded,
and then there's the bee to edit and master it.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You're bix And I was like, oh fuck man, I looked.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
I was like and then there was other people like, yeah,
I can do it for like six hundred bucks. And
then they're like but they're like, I don't have no mics.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
You have to provide your own mics. I can do it,
and da da da da dah. And I was like, damn.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
And then it was just like it was either that
go down that route or save money and.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Take it in.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Because really the band Phoenix we started, we mean, we
made a lot of noise and we started getting guys
to do a bunch of shows, and uh.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
We had.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
We got we actually got really uh.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I remember his email I got or I think it
was a Facebook message from a promoter in Denver and
he was in he he. I got introduced to this guy.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
By one of the other bands we were kind of
helping out at the same time where we were kind
of helping each other out.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
If you remember, if you know the uh Decapitation of
a New Day. No, they're a band from dulci.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Oh death metal metal punk.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Uh I want to say metal, death metal, heavy metal
right around those three.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Rob He's uh.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Rob was the one that phone I do believe from
that band, and me and him were, you know, always
something you know, hey, Like when we get a show,
we'd be like hey, I fucking like or the promoter
there would be like, hey, I need we're looking for
another band for this. I'd be like, hey, I got
one guy for you, and I fucking hit up Rob.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
But hey, Rob, what's going on? I guess can you
guys do a show? I know you guys in Dulcie
Gallop blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
And he then, you know, we always and then he
did the same like, hey, we're at this show.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You want to looking for another act?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You want it? You want in?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Like yeah, fuck yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
So anyway, it was a show for then in Denver
at your mom's house and that yeah, the fucking that
that made me laugh too, because when he when they
told me the.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Venue and I was like, what's it called? Your mom's house?
I was like, motherfucker, you're pulling my fucking leg. Motherfucker
good one. That's a good joke. And that guy's like,
what the fun you mean? He goes that's what it's called.
And he's all looking up, you've done that. So I
looked at it was like, oh ship, my bad.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
That is fucking killer marketing.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Fuck yeah, dude, he goes he asked us for a
digital pack.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
And I was like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (55:37):
And it clicked because another.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Guy, you mean right saying the digit pack?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah, digital pack?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Okay, I think that's.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
What it's called. I mean again, this is fucking years.
But so fus.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
His name, Uh, good friend Chuck from Signal ninety.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Nine, Chuck Haven who Chuck Haven?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we started making noise, you know,
he kind of reached out.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And I've been trying to get that guy to interview.
I've hit him up so many times on Facebook and
and uh, I don't think he's ignoring me, but I
think he's ignoring me. Chuck.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
No, I mean he's I mean Chuck, I mean, trust me, man,
I mean that fucking dude's busy.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
He's a busy motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
I don't know. I see him all over the place
and I've been seeing him for years.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, he's he's he's one fucking busy guy.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And he has his family and he has his Bend.
I mean, and he's you know, he's fucking touring. It's
fucking awesome. And yeah, I mean I think he's just
fucking busy, like basically what I'm going to be doing
pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Be like, fuck, Ben, there's all the people in my
fucking dam trying to do the interview again.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
But anyway, the promoter, we sent them over the tracks and.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
What we had.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
We had shirts and every thing and all, and the
dudes like, dude, he's like, your ship.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I checked on you guys, and you guys are making
some noise.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
He goes, I have a good friend up here who
is a representative for Road Winner Records.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
And I let him know about you guys, and he's
gonna be here for the show. That was like, what
the fuck?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Seriously, he was like yeah, man, but unfortunately that show
got canceled.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I don't know what the fuck happened, but I was like,
god damn it. Rob told me he goes, man, he goes,
Fuck dude, he goes. The fucking show got canceled.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Like oh fuck man, that sucks. I was like, we're
so close. And then the venue the promoter reached out
and he was like, hey man, you go some ship
went down, and uh, we got a we're gonna do,
We're gonna we are still gonna do the show, but
we guys got to postpone it and we'll give you.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Guys a new date.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
But they never did. So that was I say, we
got we made some noise, and you know, we were going.
We were getting ready.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
To do a tour, a small little tour with Signal
ninety nine, and uh, you know, unfortunately we had to
step away from that. We had we had a ship
little shows coming up out of state California, another one
in Phoenix, one in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Uh, i'll pass.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
So in Lubbock, I mean we were we were just
getting ready to go out and start fucking doing like
mini tours and ship like that, I guess you could say,
or just shows out of states that suck.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, I mean it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
But but that's the ship when you when you lose
out on stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
The I have this prayer that I do. I hate
people with long winded prayers and people wanted to people always,
especially in the Native comunity, everybody always wants to have
the best prayer award or some ship right and right,
and so I have I have a prayer. So when
I when when I get tapped to like do family
prayer or something like, I try to keep it simple.
I'm not a whole prayer, but I I've downsized it, right,

(59:06):
I've downsided It's because the Holy People know what you because.
And I prayed to the Holy people, not a Christian anything,
but I prayed it to Holy people. And when I
pray to the Holy People and I say that, people
look at me dirty looks sometimes at the table like
saying that here right, And it's like as if I'm
saying I'm praying to Satan or some shit like okay,
Lord Satan, bust Us, bust Us, not a Scott. But

(59:27):
it's there's a part of my prayer that that I have.
And it's taken me years to develop this prayer, right,
but it's a part of the prayer. I'm saying that
I'm thankful for the things that you keep from me,
the things that you give to me, the things you
allow me to come across so that I can appreciate

(59:48):
them when I do come across them or obtain them.
And that sounds like that's what happened to you, is
like you had this moment where it's like, fuck yeah,
it's all coming together. Fuck that it all fell apart.
And then and then now you're now you're you're kind
of like a it's it's been a few years behind
you now and your little older, little wiser, and probably

(01:00:10):
sounds like a hell of a lot fucking better sounding
than you were before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Right, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
And next said, I mean it was at the decisions made.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
For those shows like that that you know that we
didn't go to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
That's kind of stuck the the blast, you know, knife
in the I guess you could say, in the wound
for me just to exit because from the beginning, you know,
I I've told many people this that when I when
I first was going to join the band, I wasn't

(01:00:51):
really looking to join the band. I was just looking
to for you know, somewhere to just do the therapy
music session.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
You know, just fucking play m HM.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
And uh you know the the the actual founder of
the band, his name was is uh Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
It was his band and uh he uh he I
known him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
For years and you know I bumped into him at
Walmart and you know he was like, hey, you know
I'm looking come over you still play guitar, like yeah,
I do, and here and he goes come over and
I was like, hey yeah. I was like I have
right now, me and my me and my homie are
not really playing anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And I was like, I'm just looking to some of
the jam with That's all I was looking for.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
But anyway, just one thing led to another, and then
that's when I became a part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
And then we started getting all these you know shows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
And you know, again it's it wasn't my band, and
they were just like, no, you're not going to do it, like,
you know, I don't think I got I don't think
I can get the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Time off for that. You got to think about uh,
money and this and that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
I was like, I know, it's scary. I was like,
I'm I don't fucking know either. I was like I
need to work too, I got bills, I got everything
else going on, you know, but fuck, do you like this?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
We could we could actually do something, like we really could.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Like I'm not saying we're gonna be you know, millionaires
and fucking you know, get the fucking you know, just
like back in the days, get the record deal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Of a lifetime. Mm hmm I'm like, but you know,
as long as we're out there trying to do something,
you know, who knows. You know. I think we got good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Music and ship like that. But yeah, like I said,
the everything that kept coming.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Out of state that was like oh no, and do
it and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Or and then it to yeah, we'll do it, We'll
fucking do it, and then like a week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Up to it and be like, no, we're not going
to do it, Like what the fuck do you? Like?
I got a message? Just come under, back down, tell
him that we can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
It and come out looking flaky. You come out looking flaky.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I can't do that, man.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I was like, like I said, I just didn't sit
well with me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
And then there's some other ship internal shit going on
in the band, and I was like you know what, man,
I was like, I say it for me no more.
And I was like, fortunately, I'm gonna leave.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
And you know, there was of course with everything like that,
you know, words were said and everything, and I was like, hey, man,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It's just it's just type of me to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
And then so so let's let's let's jump forward a
little bit. I didn't mean to cut you off anything,
but like like the the the the person that you
were compared to the person that you are now, the
music that you made compared to the music that you're
making now, the talent that you had compared to the
talent that you currently have. The there's really no name

(01:03:48):
for a project other than the OC project. And it's intensative.
Sounds like it's tensative. And you're working with other people
because you're always on the road work because you're always
on the real working right, because everybody's got to put
food on the table. And but you're but you're a
music nerd, and you have a talent for sounds like

(01:04:11):
production because that shit sounds clear as fuck. I would
encourage you in Like, if you're gonna be on the
road like this a lot, dude, I bet you you
could master people's music when they send it in charge
a good fee, make some money in the side, maybe
turn that into a side hustle, turn it into a career,
and then eventually hopefully that can be like one of

(01:04:32):
those companies that dickheads like myself can go to and say, hey,
you know, we don't got to break the bank going
somewhere to record something or we can send it in right,
and then there's not to be ricist or anything, right,
but sometimes as a native you want to you it's
it's an internal feeling of like, oh, yeah, I had
a native dude master. It's a fucking bad ass. And

(01:04:54):
then when you send your non native bros to go
get mastered over there and they're happy about the master
and if it makes you feel good. For example, there's
a there's a mechanic shop here in Farmington, badass mechanic shop,
and I never knew they were Native owned and yeah,
and I was just like, man, this this is And
I've always always bragging about how professional the shop is,
the people everything right, and then come to find out

(01:05:15):
it's fucking a now who owned And I was like
what the goddamn fuck damn. And because I'm I'm novel,
I'm from ship Rocket and you know as well as
I do, and people listening to this or no novel
people now old people are fucking rude. And so I
was like really shocked because when I go into the
shop and it's my it's my primary shop that I

(01:05:36):
go through all the time for my stuff, if my
if my monkey ass can't fix it. I'm taking it
in somewhere right, And they're so polite, Good afternoon, Tito.
How you doing, Tito? They call you on the phone, Hello, sir, right,
and I'm like, God, damn, this is And now that
I know that they're native, I'm just and I'm just
always impressed with them. So it's it's it's a it's

(01:05:58):
a source of pride.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
I I was broking about that company before, but now
that I know their novel, I go out of my
way to promote them even more. So I would love
to go to somebody like you or Nick. I wish
I wish Nick would step up, because I really want
to create a company with him, a production company, a
record label. I mean, I've tossed him a thy ten
different ideas. I even recently was talking to him about

(01:06:20):
like creating my uh my cartoon band called Do Dent
It's a cartoon uh death lital band and uh And
I said, dude, let's just make some fucking music. Man,
It's just make some music. And I want to draw
these crazy fucking Navajo characters and ship they fucking do.
They get into all kinds of shenanigans and they fucking
they go on tour and they get drunk. They're gonna

(01:06:41):
be doing stupid shit that that Navajos are nuts, but
I shouldn't be doing that. That's what I want these
little characters to be doing. They're gonna be stage diving,
moshing off of Hogan's and ship. They're gonna be washing
into sheep ship and sheep corrals and fucking they're gonna
fucking do all kind of crazy stuff. And uh, they're
gonna be like hooking up with chicks and stuff. And
I said, and I told him, I said that I

(01:07:01):
got really inspired when I saw Death Clock. I was like, oh,
fuck these that's as fucking cool as hell. But about
these characters that I was gonna draw, or they're just
like cartoonish characters, you know, like real, real goofy goofy guys.
They fucking run around, they do pranks and ship. Yeah,
but I want to I want to hear more of

(01:07:24):
your stuff. And I keept rambling sometimes, but I want
to hear more of your stuff. I want to hear
your stuff. I want to see more of your stuff.
So make sure you keep uploading your stuff if you
if you end up joining the band or something. Dude,
keep keep me updated, man, like even if you just
got to upload it, you know, because I don't know
how long I'll be doing this stuff. But I was
telling my wife, I was like, fuck, it's like that

(01:07:47):
broke Back Mountain ship. I keep saying I'm gonna throw
in the towel, and I don't know how many times
I've thrown in the towel on this fucking music ship.
I'm like this, fuck those people, fuck this, fuck DD
and fuck everything else, right and and uh and uh.
But I was telling I was like, you know what,
I saw a meme before where the two cowboys from
a broke back Mountain. We're looking at each other and

(01:08:08):
on one side it says I can't quit you. So
I was telling her, I was like, I think, fucking
this goddamn thing is my broke Back Mountain. So I
don't know how long I'll be doing this ship. Because
I tried my hand at Brutal Music. I launched it,
and way back in over a decade ago, when I
was doing Native Entertainment Magazine, and I fucking really just

(01:08:32):
wanted something where there's a native host and you can
see that it's native. And so I had this Native
Chick hosting and some badass stuff. If you ever go
to check it out, it's I got it online on
Native Entertainment, but it didn't really take off. And then
recently I tried to fucking relaunch it again and I
fucking crickets crickets, And that kind of pissed me out

(01:08:54):
because I was like, God, damn, what the fuck do
our people want? We talk about all the ship we want,
but we don't really support each other, right and and
I know I'm putting that quality ship, and and uh
and then so I just uh, I put I put it.
I said, all right, I'm not gonna do that anymore
because I don't feel like wasting my time on it.
But I still love. I love talking to people, love

(01:09:16):
hearing about their their their fucking not to sound like
a Hollywood guy here, their journey because every ending is
on a fucking journey somewhere right moves my journey, all right.
So I love hearing about people's music and the struggles
that they've been through, and especially music. And I don't
even know what I'm doing these these interviews that I'm doing,

(01:09:36):
I'm just popping them on there. I'll figure it out later.
I'm just kind of enjoying it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That's what I just fucking figure it out. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
But I but I am gonna let you go because
I uh, I got a couple of other people line
up that I need to talk to. But I gotta
tell you, man, I really appreciate you taking the time
out to do this. I meant for it to be
like a five minute catch up with you, and it's
over an hour later. I and enjoyed it. I gotta
tell you right now, if I enjoyed it, you're you're.
You seem like a really cool guy to hang out
with and make music with. And one of these days

(01:10:08):
maybe we'll be able to kick back and jam out.
Because I am I will say this, I'll put this
on the record. I am still looking for people. I
would prefer somebody to sit here with me. But like,
I want to work with some people who can help
me remake a lot of the music that I that
I've done over the years. Some of the stuff is
hip hop oriented or hip hop and uh, but I

(01:10:29):
want to remake it into like metal versions. Right because
there's there's a song I have it's called I'm So
Broke and it's it goes something like this goes, I'm
so broke bumping the bounce with us. This is how
we roll, that how we roll. And I've always wanted
to hear that in the metal version. Oh I'm so

(01:10:50):
broke bumping the leg but you you know what I mean.
And I got a bunch of songs like that where
I listened to it and I'm like, funk, that would
make a cool that would make a cool fucking metal jam,
right yeah, And uh, if you're ever up for that,
let me know. And one last thing, one last thing
before I let you go. I don't know what you
know about music publishing, but if you I would, I

(01:11:10):
would encourage you to look to learn about music publishing
if you don't, because the too many of our people.
I've seen it throughout my whole fucking life. Badassin badass bands.
They pop in, they blow up real big for a
little while, res famous, and then they disappear and next
thing you know, you see somebody and what be the
first time when I seen somebody like years later and
they're like, what the fuck? This dude's a fucking Glannina?

(01:11:32):
The hell happened? This dude was fucking on stage. I
seen him over at El Moro or wherever, right and
or years later I see them and they're like, yeah,
we didn't make any money. And I think a lot
of times it's because we focus on the artistic side,
but we don't think about the business side, which is
the music publishing. Yeah, so I hope you, I hope

(01:11:52):
you're doing some music publishing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Oh yeah, Like I said, music music, music geek cuts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
I've have my.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Uh research going and you know with that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
So also I completely understand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Awesome, bro, all right man, you have a great one. Enjoyed.
I won it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yep. It