The Rise of Narbona: The STEWART BILLIE interview

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Right on, man, thanks for having me bro.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
So the other day we tried to connect and we
actually conversed over the phone and.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
My computer ate the audio. I was all excited. I
was like, oh cool, I was easy. And then I
went back and I was editing it.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And when I was in the middle of editing it,
and all I was doing was touching up the audio
so it doesn't sound. So you know, sometimes over the
phone you get those high pitches and you get really lose.
So I was just equalizing the sound. It's all I
was doing, and poof, it just disappeared.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Gone huh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I was like no, no, oh man, yeah, yeah, it's
okay though.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
You know, I'm down to do this as many times
as we can.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
So awesome. I appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
So you probably already know about when audio disappears and
the problem with recording being in the band.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, or lack of audio. You know,
we played at show Friday over at the Eskate Park
and I couldn't hear nothing, oh everything that yeah, no, no, yeah.
The the monitor where I was at absolutely did not
give me nothing. So what I was basically going on
was just what I remember from practice, you know, I know,

(01:47):
I know all about audio bro yea.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah. So when you're so you're the drummer of Narbona.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Let's backtrack here a little bit, right, Okay, Yeah, I
am okay, So tell me about who you are you're
rolling the band, a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
My name is Stuart Billy. I am the drummer of Narbona.
I am the I guess I'm the leader of Narbona.
My son's Lestat Billy is the singer and guitarist, and
my youngest son, Unity Billy is the bassist and vocalist.
And we have a rhythm guitarist named Sam Sane Smith

(02:24):
or Sam from a Coyote Canyon.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So, okay, so you just got the recently got the
fourth guy, right.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, we just we just got him in March, man. Okay,
he's barely started jamming out with us since March.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So what was the Why did you need to bring
somebody else?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
In four dynamics playing as a three piece, you know,
it's amazing, you know, we're we're we're pretty tight as
a unit, but sometimes you need that you need that
rhythm section to vibe and then have your lead section two,
you know, to go up and down. You know, you

(03:02):
needed to bring some some energy in there. So he
brought that. That's why you brought him on.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
So is it mostly for live shows or is it
in the recording that you mean it's it's.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
In the recording both. You know, we we brought them
in there. We when we recorded a dark Wind over
with Doghouse Media. He was there to record all the
rhythm shacks.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh okay, so he's actually been there and intok reporting
of the band then, Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, if you if you're a part of the band, man,
I'm gonna you're gonna get to work as soon as possible,
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, so be in Navajo and naming your band Narbona.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
What was the thought process behind that.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Native pride? Having some pride in who we are as
as a people. Obviously, if you you look around the
Nappla Nation with all the red bands that are around here,
none of them are really native. It's actually the opposite.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Of it, the native band.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, a lot of these resid bands here, there's not
really a huge, huge wizit following for what's native, you know,
I mean for us, it's about you know, singing about
our people, singing about our culture, singing about a warrior,
singing about our ancestors, singing about our family groups or clans,
you know, anything that has to do with us being Alvaho.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, so let me touch on that real quick, because
because race is super.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Important to noavel people, right, because I'm half Spanish and
half Navilo, right, and a grew up and Wanner raise
and shipwreck by way of little water. And this is
one of This is one of the things that I've
tackled a lot, and I've told people over the years, like, look,
I'm not trying to be a dick when I say this,
or or trying to be a racist or whatever. But
it's the same thing that you just now said that

(04:52):
there's there's a lot of non natives doing Native things.
So I just want to dig in a little bit
on what you mean. Do you mean that there's a
lot of non natives like genetically in bands, or that
a lot of these native bands are doing non quote
unquote non native things. I just want to I just
want to figure out where the mentality is.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
No, no, no, yeah, I'm talking about native bands doing the
opposite you know of you know, really in the culture,
you know, diving into Narbona. I mean, you and I
both know who Narbona is. But for this next generation
of people, the next generation of kids, they have no idea, right,
they have no idea who Narbona is, who he was,

(05:35):
where he lived, where he came from, the people that
he was involved with, you know, and what he he
he what what transpired after his murder? You know. So
for us, it's like we try to be we try
to sing about things we know, okay, we try to
talk about things we know. You know, I don't. I've

(05:56):
had I've had an interview three weeks ago kind of
went kind of went the other way, and the person
was looking for more of a political band, you know,
they were looking for us as Narbonet, to be a
straight up political band, like rage against the machine, you know,
anti this, anti that, And yeah, I didn't I didn't
think they they they they knew what it was like

(06:17):
to actually live on the reservation and the struggles of
being on the reservation, right, you know, everybody, everybody wants
to talk about the fight, they want to talk about
being in there, But what about the communities, what about
the communities on the Navolo Nation. What about the traditional
way of living, what about the ceremonies, what about learning
how to work with the land, what about learning to
work with your own people? You know, That's that's one

(06:38):
thing that we're all about. So, you know, and in
that way, that's what I'm talking about. You know, I'm
not saying on a racial level. I'm just saying that,
you know, as Navajo people, you know, you would think
that a lot of us would be singing about Navajo things,
you know, and that's the opposite, you know. So that's

(06:59):
where we come from. And that's what when I started
this band, it was about being proud of who we
are as an Abu people, being proud of where we
come from, being proud of our area. You know, that
was the main thing. Man.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
What area are you guys from? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Place called by complint It. Yeah, Dulton past. I grew
up in Gallup. I grew up in Gallup most of
my life. I grew up in the Yeah, I grew up.
I grew up in Gallup all probably into like my teens,
and then I moved around from a Grant's Albuquerque to house,
you know, moved around around New Mexico, a bit.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
So when you were so a few weeks ago you
talked on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
You can name it or not. I'll leave that up
to you. What were they trying Did you feel.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Like they were trying to dig out of you, like
a like a political aspect, like they were really digging in,
like trying to get something political out of you?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Or or oh.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I mean I mean it started going that direction.
I mean we were talking and she was like, what
inspires you? And I was like, my kids, you know,
my kids inspired me. But where we live on our
land inspires me. Learning to work with work with the land,
and being a farmer, learning to farm, you know, inspires me.

(08:24):
And she was leaning towards well, you know, what about aim,
what about this? What about this and this? And It's like, yeah, great,
they they they you know, they they they assisted, they
had a presence throughout the reservations throughout America. I mean
they they had an impact, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm not going in that direction, you know. And
and then she was she was she looked at us

(08:45):
and the kind of was like, well, I was kind
of thinking it was.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
A little more.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Then a bunch of.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Oh, you're cutting out.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Fine, finding some purpose. You know a lot of the
songs we sing about is that up an individual who's
lost himself and trying to rebuild himself into an individual
that can come back and save his family and not
just saving them with money, but saving them with intelligence
and wisdom and helping them grow and become the people

(09:15):
and artisans and people who are going to be in
these communities that everybody's else says forgotten.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, So your music, so this is this is
the thing about about metal right.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
A lot of times people because I make all kinds
of music. I'm a studio artist. Oh yeah, I love
all types of music. I make hip hop. I'll make
some beach viby Shwayze type stuff, and then like three
hours later I'll be making some death gottural stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I got, you know. I just I love I love music.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And when people ask me like what kind of what
can we don't make one specific genre like they've asked
me over the years, or like oh you're fake because
you do this and you do that.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm like, you're fake because you're fucking retarded. Music is
use it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You're a gatekeeper.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So when I made when I when I've made music
over the years, especially like, uh, some years back, I
released a thing called I Was Just Monkeying ram stuff
and I called it Native American Death Metal Compilation.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
It's just a bunch of songs I threw together. There's
a song.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Called Butchered in the cradle Board and some other stuff, right,
and yeah, yeah, yeah, I just and that's what I
wanted it.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I wanted.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Like I I always love that Butchered at Birth, you know,
Cannibal Corpse type stuff, like the way the bass sounded
in in Cannibal Corpse. That always fucking like like just
the way everything was with vibe, and I was like, fucking,
this is bad. So when I made that, I was
thinking about it now it sounds like shit, but fucking

(10:51):
it was fun to do. But when people hear stuff
like that, or when they hear metal, they they always assume,
and I always hear heard over the years like ah,
that's uh indy music, or they all they sing about
is death.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's true on some aspect.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I just talked about making a song called put You
in a cradle Board, but the song that that that
song in particular was talking to me. It was my
way of saying that you're killing off your tribe, your
people with your pussy like right now, the Navajo tribe,
the blood quantum got lowered to twenty five percent a

(11:28):
few years back. And so I'm I'm very concerned about
the racial aspect of the Native stuff because I people
give me hate. People fucking are racist as fuck towards me.
You know, I'll sit in the Pyota meeting and I'll
hear fucking nonsense from people who don't I don't speak Fluentavo,
but I know enough to know fucking when people are

(11:50):
talking about that fucking naka.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And and.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's very important to talk about the racial aspect in
my point of view. But I also think that with
what you're doing or what you're what you're talking about
with music, talking about having a positive edge but sounding
scary as fuck, right, how do you how do you
how do you make the two compliment one another, the
positive with with that hardcore edge.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Probably because that's who I am. Man, I'm one of
the nicest guys you can meet, but I can also
be one of the fiercest people you meet.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know, I live, I grew up in Gallup, I
grew up in the you know, poor parts of gallup.
I grew up dirt poor. I've been in prison. I've
been locked up most of my life. I dealt with
drug addiction and alcohol addiction. So to me, honest, honestly,
heavy metal is just it's like a soundtrack to my life.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's one of the music that's pretty much only been there,
that's consistent. That's that's yeah, it's it's it's who I am, man,
you know, it's just who I am. It's an individual.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So when you were when you were younger and being
raised up and you're listening to metal, did you ever
think to yourself, one of these days, I'm going to
have a band.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah I did. Then.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I knew I was going to have a band. I
just didn't know I was going to have with my sons, you.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Know, Yeah, how exactly did that happen?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh? Man, it happened. Which is constantly my kids growing
up with me. I'm a single parent, so I raised
my son since they were toddlers, and heavy metal has
always been a staple in our life. Man, in my shop,
I make jewelry, I'm an artist. They've always heard that,
you know, It's always been metal. It's always been slayered.

(13:45):
It's always been in d side cannibal court. So he's
been morbid angel hypocrisy, and they grew up with it,
and they weren't into music, you know, playing playing music,
or really into the metal part of it until they
were about seventeen eighteen years yars old. And when they did,
that happened near the time the COVID hit. So as

(14:09):
a parent, I really wanted to to find a place
where we could connect in the evenings and not be
worried about what was going on in the news, will
not be worried about what was going on with all
of the number of deaths happening on the Navajo Nation.
And we utilized that time to build our craft. And

(14:31):
that's where I learned how to play the drums. I've
been playing drums since twenty twenty. In the Pandemic hit. Yeah, dude,
I learned how to play drums just so that I
could get my sons to this next level of plane,
you know. And so far, for one year of us
being in the formation of a band, we've been kicking butt. Man.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Wait, you guys have only been together one year. One year, man,
so you've been since twenty twenty but you as.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
A band, as a band, as a band, as actually
getting songs and performing it from beginning to end and
then going to a next song and performing like that.
We've only been together for one we'll be coming up
to one year. This Friday will be one.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Year, dude. Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, thank you man. And you know what, you
know what's cool is that the person that got us
our first gig, yeah, is actually doing the same show
again in Santa Fe this Friday. So this Friday we're
heading out there to go perform again for our one
year anniversary.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Who's uh, who's that?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's Katrina Benoli with Coolness Promotions.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Coolness Promotions, all right, yeah man, yeah, all right. So
earlier you talked about this person that was bringing up
American Indian movement and stuff like that. I do got
a question about older bands, not political stuff, but just
older bands, but they kind of they kind of tinged
on political stuff. So there there was a band called

(16:00):
Midiho Guns.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
You ever heard of them?

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I've never heard of her now because this this just
when you were talking earlier, made me think about them.
So you were talking about as Navajo guys representing your people,
your band's named narbona cultural identity, right, and how a
lot in your view, a lot of bands aren't really

(16:24):
you know, showcasing their their their cultural.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Indigenous in music so to speak.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Hopefully I'm not paraphrasing and sucking it up, but it
made me think about this older band. My mom used
to work at Candy in Here in Farmington and when
I was a teenager, I would go over there and
hang out in the when she was doing her show,
and there was walls of tapes, just bots of tapes, and.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
I was like, oh my god, I'm in heaven.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I would take a tape and I would play
it because they would have little stations there where you
can plug in your headphones and jam out. And so
I would just hang out and Uh, I remember like
can I take this?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Can I take this song?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Because I was there was a tape that I fucking dug.
I was like, this ship is fucking cool. And it
was called Mini Ho Guns, right. There was there was
two tapes I remember specifically taking back uh, mister Indian
in Time and Mini Ho Guns, and they were very
exit ish, you know what I mean with that whole

(17:30):
that that seventies funky guitar that, and I remember many
ho guns they had. I don't remember what the song
name is called, but I was listening to it again
just recently, a few weeks back, because I actually met
the guy that's on the cover of the album and
uh I met him recently and uh, I was like, dude,
you look really familiar and we were talking.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, and uh.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
He he's an old guy now, right, and so we're
talking and uh he was like, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I was in a band called Mini Hogun And I
was like, oh shit, dude, that felt like meeting and
that it felt like meeting like Elvis or some shit,
and uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
And I'm a dumb ass.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I never get autographs. I never get selfies, you know.
And then later on I tell people stories about who
I met and they're like, you.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Didn't meet John Cena. Dude, I met John Cena.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
And so like they have a song, and I encourage
you to go jam on this, So just look up
Mini ho Gun. It's kind of hard to to find
the song the music, but they have a song. I
don't know what the fuck it's called, but the guy
is yelling out in the song.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'm a never whole rocking roll star. I'm a never
whole roll star. And it was fucking bad as fuck.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
And this is like in eighty eighty one or some shit, right,
And it just impressed the fuck out of me because,
like going back listening to it again, it has a
different meaning when you're a little bit older, a little
bit more understanding and compared to when you're a teenager
and everything's just kind of going by, right. And I
was listening to it a few weeks back, and I

(19:06):
was like, this is fucking phenomenal because back in that timeframe,
as now people, especially as men now, we men still
trying to find back our confidence level, trying to find,
you know, like the thing that had been taken from us,

(19:27):
that that manhood aspect that America kind of ripped from us, right,
because it was a continual hunt for novelo men to
kill him and for this guy to have the balls
back in the eighties to put that in a song
when he's probably still living in a hugun somewhere right,
not even really a star.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I don't fucking know. That's fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Do you guys ever think about, like I'm pretty sure
you do. What do you guys ever think about your
cultural aspect or the longevity of your music, Like twenty
thirty forty years from there, people turned going back and
and play.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, we do. That's why we practice so much. That's
why we're we we try to obtaining this this level
of professionalism when every time we play, because you'd be surprised, man,
the amount of people that come out to come see us.
The the amount of people that are dedicated fans from
the beginning that come out to see us, and they're

(20:24):
they're they're out there, you know, telling people about who
we are. So we're always It's one thing that I
try to emphasize with my kids is always remember that
that art is going to be living on, so you know,
always remember think about what you're talking about, thinking about
what you're writing, thinking about what your thoughts are into
this thing, because it will live on.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, what's your favorite song?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Oh man, dark Wind, Dark Win?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Tell me why.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Dark Wind's Rise is the first song that I wrote
with my kids. It's the first song that I ever
presented to my boys. And the way everybody came together
to make everything glue. I mean, from the opening riff
to the to the main rift to the vocals, to
the chorus, to the breakdown, everything was everything came together organically.

(21:18):
It was these young little musicians my son's coming together
and hearing these songs and they're like, what about this death?
What do you think of this? What do you think
of this? And it was like, we all we got
to try it out. If it were it works, If
it doesn't, we'll just you know, we'll move on. And
it was one of the first songs that we actually
worked together that everything just glued together instantly.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Nice. How long did it take to record it?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
To record it, it took two days.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Well to record it, but to develop the song, you know,
from the time here's the idea concept to actual.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Fruition, probably about four months.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's four badass months, right, jamming out, dreaming about it,
thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
And then we played a lot in front of people
last year August eighteenth or nineteenth, so first time, yeah,
first time playing.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
In so yeah, how'd that feel.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
What's amazing is is just watching people's reaction and seeing
people just go crazy. Yeah, that's that's one thing we love. Man.
People just go crazy, they start head banging, they jump around.
It's it's pretty intense. Man. If you've seen one of
our shows, man, you'll you'll notice what's up. Man. They
get pretty intense. And that's that's our confirmation. You know,

(22:33):
when we see those people going hostile, they're going crazy,
they throw on their head when they're when they're head banging,
is exactly in sync with the drumming and the bass
and the guitars. That's when you fucking know, dude, you
know what I'm saying. That's when you know you're you're
you're in there with those guys. And yeah, the amount
of energy that we push out there, those guys just

(22:53):
grab it up and they just expel it back to us.
And it's a constant give and take. It's a constant
give and take. And yeah, man, I don't think my
kids would be into this band if they didn't see
this type of reaction this quick. I mean, it's amazing, man, Like, seriously,
it's like freaking amazing. When we started had like three.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You're cutting out in a little bit. You're getting pixelated there.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, okay, yeah, can I hear you? Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
You know, it's it's just you know, it's it's awesome, man.
It's awesome to see the response we get. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
You're so you're you're saying that your kids, you're thinking
that your kids probably wouldn't be as into it if
it didn't like just catch on like wildfire right now.
You think they would have been like, nah, well jam
out sometimes.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But yeah, yeah, because my kids are very they're not
very open, you know what I'm saying. They're they're very,
they're very, Yeah, they're there. They grew up on the rest,
they grew up away from.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, I would drawn a.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Little bit saying yeah, they're not very they're not very
they don't like going to the cities, the like, hanging
in big crowds, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so yeah,
so I don't think that you know, if if if
they any if they didn't get the response that we've
had recently, they would have been too into it.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Are they talking more?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
That's a that's a good thing because now people for
some fucking reason, really withdrawn right Like I talk to people,
you can you can tell I'm a fucking yaki yak motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'll sit there and talk with the stranger. I don't
get ship. I could tell you're the same way too.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
If you, and I just meant somewhere we didn't even
know nothing about music or nothing. I guarantee you we
could be talking about something they just be like all right, cool,
all right, let it broke, and.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Then yeah, yeah we would.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's how I am, man, That's how I am. So.
But yeah, now they are now they're now they're now
they're getting out there and now they're they're they're being
a plus. I run a business, you know, So now
it's I have them behind my boot selling jewelry. Before
it was just dad. Yeah, so they're out I'm pushing
them out there. You know. You gotta get out there, man.
You gotta to learn to start talking to these people.
You gotta start learn to networking. You got to learn

(25:04):
to start pushing the band in a certain level. You know. Yeah,
it only comes from us. You know, nobody else is
gonna do it for us. We got to do it.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So going backtracking right there in what you said, you
have a business, that's your silversmithing business that you're talking about, right,
what's what do you have a company?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Name?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh? Just Stuart Billy Okay, Yeah, I just I just
took a ribbon, a first first place ribbon at the
Gallop ceremonial for one of my pieces.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, so I'm an award winner. I have quite a
few ribbons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have quite a few ribbons.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah. I know.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
It's it's all those wins, right, they stack up. They
make you feel good. Yeah, And and some people can
discount that, but I always try to take as many
little ribbons or whatever I can. I mean, I don't
get any but a minor just pats on the back
like that's pretty good. And I'll think that because because
it does. That's how you build confidence, right, growing up
in Gallup. Do you think growing up in Gallup has

(26:01):
helped you become more open open talking to people or
what do you think helping? Is it becoming a sales
a sales guy because you have to sell yourself.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, yeah, they got it. It was salesman. It was sales.
I was eighteen years old. I was about to join
the Marines and I had a friend of mine. I
had a friend of mine who was a jeweler. Yeah,
and he just said, what are you doing? Man? What
are you doing? You could do so much with your
life and your only direction is the Marines. So I
could show you a whole new way. I can introduce
you to the right people who will show you this

(26:37):
business in and out of it and make you the best.
And that day I met a gentleman and he says,
are you down? Are you ready to go? Are you
ready to go on the road? I said yeah. And
it was a Friday, that coming Monday. They had a
ticket and we flew out to Springfield, Massachusetts. And yeah,
I flew out the Springfield, Massachusetts and they had a

(26:58):
booth with the Biggie Festival on the East Coast, and
we ended up staying about three months. Wait wait, Jewelry,
the big e. It's it's it's like a big fair.
It's a huge fairy out in the Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Ya you said big festival, No big e.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's how it started. After that,
I was ten years on the road.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wait wait, wait this point, you already were doing silversmithing.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
No, no, no, I wasn't doing this. I didn't do
silversmith I just walked out. As when I first started
with like I was talking about the business, I was
like seventeen, eighteen years old, right, and then I went
on the road for about ten years. I was on
the road selling jewelry. So I spent most.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh selling jewelry, not making jewelry. Okay, okay, so that
makes sense. So when you went out to Massachusetts, what
was that like. Was that your first time on a plane.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, first I'm on the East coast, first time, first
time in the plane. It was it was scary. We
could because it was scary because it was a year
after and I eleven exact date, Oh no ship. Yeah,
And I was going on the plane and the guy
that I was working with was a Palestinian. So everywhere
we went, everywhere terminally went and he got searched, you

(28:13):
know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh, I
know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I look very Palestinian.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah. They were like, they were like, okay, what's your
last name? And he gave him there his last name
and it was an Arabic name, and they're like, okay,
come with me, you know, And I was like, I
was a Nabo kid from the residents. Didn't know what
was going on. I was just like, oh, the craft
is nine to eleven the year afterwards, and you know,
here we are, and.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, they're probably they're probably like, we got this Chinese
guy with this Middle Eastern guy.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, right right, yeah, Mongolian dude. Who what's going on here? Yeah?
Right right right dude talking about have you heard of?
Have you heard of the band? Who? Dude?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yea bron you talked about? Just sitting there just.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's that. It first time I heard that, and I
saw that.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I saw the video and I don't remember what the
video is where they roll out on on the bikes
into the planes. Yeah, I was like, holy fuck, that
looks like a bunch of fucking Johnasses on fucking bikes.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
God, looks like a bunch of fucking natives.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
All we're missing is fucking big ass buckles, big ass
fucking turquoise.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, And I've been waiting, dude. Music videos are so important.
I've been over the years.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I've been like always pushing people make a fucking video.
I don't give a ship. Like nowadays, you got so
much technology right in.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Your pocket, Just fucking pull that fucker out, start recording
some ship.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm telling you, you gotta make You got a narbona
hass to to make a fucking video like this.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
You're are you?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Maybe you can approach the narbone knows there's some ship.
I don't fucking know, they got a bunch of bikes.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I'm I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
I don't know if I want to do it as
a as a as a gang thing or a thing
or or whatever, but like you know, but I mean,
it would be fucking badasses to get a bunch of
native bikers, you know. And I'm I'm a real picky
fucker if I was casting a movie, dude, And I'm
a real fucker to be saying this because of the
way I look. But I would be like, all right, uh, nope,

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you don't look native enough. Go on that line.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm a real.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
In the movie Dark Wind, I fucking love that that show,
that series sets out, but it bugs the ship.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Out of me.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
The the I don't even speak fluent now, but like
simple things like they started, like when when somebody says
YadA instead of like right, and it's like, dude, white
pun shop guys say it better than you.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
But I love that way, man, Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
So you got you gotta you gotta make a music
video like who bro, you got to you got to
want to see it?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, man, we're waiting, man, we can't wait to do
a video. This be awesome, man.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
You know, you guys got something lined up.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
We're we're thinking about working on an album towards the
end of the year, and twenty twenty four should be
the time to be actually doing videos. You know, you're
absolutely right. The videos are very important, man, right, you
know that's it's very It's very important. It explains who
you are because an idea what the song's about, but
also goes out to the masses.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, it's something that we need to look towards to.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I would recommend. You don't need to take my two cents,
but I would recommend because music is changed, you don't
even need to make an album anymore. Just make your song,
connect the video to its push that out quality video
as much as possible. Push it out quality song, quality video,
push it out.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
And I would do that.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And when you guys are filming, when you guys are
filming your video, dude, if you need a drone, I
got a drone sitting here. It's got a high def
camera on it. I mean everything does nowadays, but I
made sure to get one because I do a lot
of camping and I was trying to do this like
camping camping stuff where my jeep's like hauling us down

(32:26):
and going through the mud and stuff. But uh, I
keep breaking my drones, So now I'm like, I'm only
gonna fly this in when it's no trees.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But that would be bad ass because you guys could.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Be standing like, uh like some more cool and then
the drone doing that circle view around you guys.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I mean a dude, day, I gotta come out to
where we live. Did we lived next to a huge,
huge canyons who live by like a one mile by
five mile land area.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, you're pretty huge what goes into the mountains and stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
So are you familiar with Behemoth? You probably are?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, Yeah, absolutely so in.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Behemoth, Uh again, don't know the fucking song name, but
there's a music video that caught my attention one time
where the dude is like hovering off like a cliff
face and he has like that Jesus Christ posts and
he has like fire in his in his mouth and
his eyes or some ship and do you know what

(33:25):
I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
You probably seen it, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So yeah, it's probably at the left hand of.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
God probably, and where he's out in.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
The canyons and there's like he's singing on top of Yeah,
that one's left hand of God.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
That's a that kind of ship.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Would you guys be interested in doing that kind of stuff?
I mean, I know it's kind of type shit, but
I mean be down with that, dude.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
We're down for whatever. Man, We're down for whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
If it's if it's all horror based, we're down for it, dude.
If they want to do it all traditional style, we're
gonna do it, dude. You know what I'm saying. It
just it depends, and it depends on the song. We're down, man,
all We're down, bro. So we're down.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Due. Ah, it's fucking cool. All right. So what other
information do you got for me? What? What do I
need to know? What am I missing here?

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Because I know I keep getting lost in the bushes
and walking around?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Got a walk you back, Like, yeah, let's discuss what
we need to discuss. You're doing good, bron, Like I didn't.
I didn't come in here with written notes. I didn't
come in here with haste or anything. I'm just I'm
just talking, you know, vibing with you. So you know, whatever, man,
whatever you whatever, you decide, I'm.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Just fucking having a conversation.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I yeah, yeah, And then I like, like I said,
I'm just sitting here listening to you. I'm vibing with you.
I had a great weekend. We rocked out at the ceremony.
We made a lot of money. We're doing good. We
have to show this Friday, so this Monday, I'm just chilling.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
So when you when you, uh you sell merch, do
you make any But you don't make any money on
ticket sales?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I'm assuming right.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Uh, we do once in a while. Once in a
while when I do work with some promoters, some promoters
will be like, hey, man, we have no way to
pay you right now, but your twenty tickets and if
you can go sell it, this is all yours.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh I see yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
And usually we usually sell out, but most of the time,
you know, it's usually merch.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, well, shit, send me a ticket when these days
I'll buy one. I'm probably not going to go to
the concert because I'm fucking anti social, but you know
I would love the support, and you know, autograph it
for me. You and the band ship it to me.
I'll send you cash after you some money or something.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, no worries, man, No worries, dude, you're good with me, bro,
I'll send you one for free. No worries, man, No, no.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I know firsthand how fucking hard it is to it's
ups and downs, you know, in music. Sometimes you're just
floating a cloud now, and sometimes you're just like.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Fuck this, I don't even know why I do this
shit right, And you gotta pray.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
I mean I know, for me, I've spent a lot
of time praying and cussing out the Holy.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
People, you know, because just trying just like what the fuck, you.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Know, just trying to make it, just trying to make.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It, trying to keep your head above water, try not
to go insane. You go to your dishbox and you're like,
come on, give me some, you know, And so I know, so, no,
you're not gonna send me anything for free. I love that.
I'll buy it from me, you know. But because I
get it, I get the grime.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah that's cool man, Yeah, that's cool man. I respect that.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, So tell me about the upcoming music.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
The shows are music.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
No music album.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
You were talking about an album and then I started
walking like a Glanie off to the outhouse and stuff.
So yeah, because that's where I keep my shiny bottles.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, right now, we have a six songs down. We're
working on four more to finish up ten track list
for an album. A lot of it is a music
that's been written by Sun Unity I written. I wrote
the first four songs that we started with and he's
been taking off with the rest of them. So at

(37:14):
this moment, he's actually sitting in his room writing music.
So M yeah, So yeah, we're we're working really hard, man.
We're trying to trying to get a you know, get
something out there for our fans because a lot of
people have been asking us, man, we want more music,
we want the materials, we want the CD, we want
a place we can go and download it, you know. Yeah,
so we're trying to work on that as much as

(37:35):
we can.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
What possible album names are you thinking of?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh Man? To be honest, man, I you know what
I have not even I would probably just name it
in Narbona and Narbona dude, for real, there's a lot
of cool names. But I had to sit down with
the guys and actually, you know, talk with them and say, okay,
which one do you guys decide on? You know, so

(38:02):
it's up to them. It's pretty much up to them
and what they're going to decide on.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Are you guys gonna pick a name from one of
the songs? Possibly, if you pick a name other than Arbona,
we might, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah? You froze up there for a second.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh, sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
So if you don't self titled the album, do you
think that you'll possibly just uh pick one of the
names from the songs? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Probably most likely. You know, it'll have to be related, right,
I would have wanted to name him some epic name
and opus and then you know, I have totally opposite
lyrics and you know, tracks of whatever. You know, yeah,
no it.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, And then Young Tito's are gonna be out there
pressing plays and be.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Like, shame man on this album. He's fucking narbonay.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
You know, we don't want to give them false advertising. Yeah,
we'll make it relatable, you know. Right?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
What about the album cover?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Have you thought about throw some drawings together some ideas
for album artwork?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I have some.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I have some some drawings from people that I've gotten
over the years. I have two drawings from people that
I start prison times with. That gave me some artistry
that I'm thinking about putting it. Like I said, it
really hasn't been my focus yet. But you're throwing all
these out there, I'm like, damn, okay, I need I
need to get on it. Well I'm like, oh wow, man, yeah,

(39:38):
I didn't get on that ship.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Well I think it's it's important because like from from
a marketing, from a promotional aspect, right, the like going
into So I'll tell you how I look for music, right,
you probably do it the same exact way you go.
Like I go to YouTube or I go to wherever
I'm getting my music from, and I'm trying to see
an image. Right, If that image sucks, I'm probably not

(40:00):
gonna click on on the song, like if I don't
know who it is, right, if that like like death metal,
I like there's a lot of death metal, black metal,
all those kind of shit that just looks like paint
splatters their logos. And that's what cat caught my eye with,
you guys, the name and the fact that you can
read it and it's still metal, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, And so when.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I go somewhere like for example, Metallica just came out
with seventy two seasons, right, and I'm I'm a I
have not raved about a Metallic album in years because
you know.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
They've been good. Why yeah, yeah, But this.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
This latest album, bro, I clicked on it because I'm
on old school metal head and I clicked on I
clicked on it.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Oh, they came out something new. I'll jam on it.
Their last album wasn't too bad.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Click play, dude, I've been fucking jamming on that shit incessantly.
I'm back, I'm in the backyard, I'm doing some work,
you know, and I'm just jamm an out.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And that's and that album.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Cover called my Attention, and I was like, what what
is this? So I would highly think that you should
try to come up with an album concept artwork, even
if you're gonna change it later, just something so you
push it out there so you can say, hey, guys,
what do you think about this? And you know maybe
that maybe it'll help you you and your son's kind

(41:24):
of wrap your brain around the concept of the album.
Because I'm looking forward to it. I'm gonna fuck a stream.
I'm in a jam.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's gonna be bad. But I can say that confident
only especially to our evans out there. It's gonna be
a badass album.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yes, well, awesome, bro. I appreciate you taking the time here.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I do want to ask you one last thing, and
you don't have to talk about it, but you're you
mentioned your prison time a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
The do you mind if I ask you what you
went in for?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I know that's pretty taboo street stuff, you know, you know,
normally don't ask people, but this.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Is only the people that got something to hide.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Right, But I think this is very important because over
the years, when I've spoken to people a lot of
times off camera, I'm talking to them they got this story,
and I'm like, dude, that's the story right there. That's
how Because everybody wants to be the ending, right I.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Want to motivate the people.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, yeah, but I think that the real thing people
resonate with is real human beings, the real experience of struggle, tears, heartache, happiness, love,
the whole labyrinth of feelings. So if you don't mind,
take me down this road and let me know who
you are and how you ended up there and how

(42:48):
you came out of it.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
No pressure.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, well, yeah, My initial charge was aggravated to u
I and then I got in a I socked the cop.
I socked the cop, and they were trying to give
me five years and they got me down to probation
when it came to my DUI. But I finally came

(43:15):
to the conclusion that, you know, if I'm here, I'm
going to prison. I'm just going to go plead to it.
So I did. And my initial when I plead to it,
what they did is they dropped it down to resisting
arrests and they gave me a year flat. So they
gave me a year in prison flat. And I did
my time, did my time at the Brothers. I think

(43:36):
this is where I got a lot of my native
pride from where I got the history of our people.
Where I heard the stories from the old ones, especially
the ones that are are still in the yard. I
learned the stories, especially about the way we got our
ceremonies back on the prison yards. I learned the sacrifice
that we had to do. And I had to following,

(44:00):
you know, I had to learn to follow. You know.
I spent my life being a rebel and being a
jerk and havoc to society, and all of a sudden.
I'm in prison with people that had been convicted murder.
So you learn a lot about respect very quick, and
you learn about what's important, and you learn about being

(44:20):
very direct about what you're saying and your intentions and
living a certain way, you know. And my time in prison, man,
I utilized it to the best I could because I
didn't want to return, and I sure as hell didn't
want my kids to return. And ever since I've gotten
out of prison, it's all about working on myself and
being a stronger individual, and not just on the outside,

(44:42):
but a strong individual on the inside, and learning how
to love myself, love myself as a human being, love
what I do, love my mistakes, and learn from my mistakes,
and not treated as a big old catastrophe other than
it's just it happened. Now I need to move on
and how do I react to it, you know. And
that's what I've went from prison.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And you take that and you and you have embedded
that into your daily life and your in your music.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I'm assuming, like absolutely absolutely yeah, everything about like everything
that happened in prison, man, it like really, I don't
want to say it in negative way, Like it woke
me up It woke me up, especially being being in
Arizona where it's racially motivated. It ain't no joking, aisy, man.
You know what I'm saying. It's racial, dude. It is
racial as hell, dude. And and us Native Americans, man,

(45:34):
we we're not going to be victimized in the art.
We've earned our keep and we we we've done things,
you know what I'm saying, to earn the respect of
all the other races there. And when I got out
of there, it's it woke me up. Man. It's just like,
I know what I need to do. I know I
need to come back for my kids. I need to
be a better father. I need to stop being an
alcoholic on the streets. I need to put down the pipe, man.

(45:56):
I need to stop smoking math. I need to stop
all of this craft that's going on because it's destroying
myself and it's destroying the people around me. It's it's
creating like a cavity, you know. And the second I changed,
the second I knew I had a problem, to the
second I knew that I was, I couldn't wasn't in control.
I began to find out and look for resources and

(46:18):
mental health, finding therapists, finding people that would help me
better myself, and I got clean and uh, I mean yeah,
I smoke cannabis, that's but you know, as far as
like hard drugs and alcohol and all that crazy stuff,
you know, I try to stay away from all that.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
So when you were getting off meth, was that the
hardest one you were doing?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
No? Yeah, the drug wise, yeah, man, myth is pretty rough,
to be honest. The addiction myth is, it's very hard.
It was very hard for me, it really was. It
was very hard. My family didn't even know why I
was a drug addict for years until I started, you know,
letting them know that I was. You know, I was heavily.

(47:05):
I had a heavy addiction, you know, and they wonder
why I disappeared for like two or three months and
be gone, I'm living on the streets. Come back, and
you're just looking like a straight up glanny, you know
what I'm saying. I lived my life like that for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Man. You were probably really skinny at the time, too, right.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, man, I mean yeah, very skinny and malnourished. All
these scars that you see on my face and my
hands and stab wounds and on my body and everything.
Then it it comes from that stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
M man, Well, I'm glad you. I'm glad you made
it out of there.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Because there's a lot of people who just are stuck
in that bullshit, you know, sucking on that glass dick
and then that death angel just won't let them go.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
And and it's a sad.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Thing because we've I'm pretty sure the same as you,
we've both lost people that we've known or we're currently
watching people that we know just go down that black hole.
And so I'm glad that you're I'm glad that you're
that you've made it out the other side of that,
because it's it's it's a very rare thing to see that,

(48:11):
and and to see that you came through that darkness
and you and you popped out the other side, and
you're like, let's go, let's get it.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I love it, man, Yeah, I did. There's a lot
to live where it did.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
We've got a lot of places, Yeah, a lot of
places the jam and rock and roll man for real, dude.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, Well, what's what's your what's your favorite location that
you want to go that you want that you want
Narbona to go to play it.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Wow man. Uh, you know, to be honest, I'm gonna
keep it real fair for somebody at the navlination for yeah,
no ship Rock nablination for anywhere. Man. That has to
do with our people. We want, we want to be there,
did we want to open up and people will be like,
who's who's the headliner Narbona or who's opening up for Megadet.
You know what I'm saying. It's that type of yeah,

(49:04):
you know what I'm saying and stuff like that that
we look, we're realistic, dude. You know, we're very realistic,
and we're trying to look at the things that are
obtainable right now. You know. Yep.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
So awesome, dude. I appreciate you taking the time to
sit here and bushit with me. Well, I do my
my verbal glandiing all over the woods and you know, well.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I'm glad we got a chance that we got it working. Man.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well let's cross our fingers knock on some wood that
hopefully somebody didn't gush you the podcast and they're like oh.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, yeah yeah, Because I'm I'm always like, fuck, so
many fucking gushy me. The Fu's going on here?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I get it then, So hopefully this fucking works. What's
the what's the website that people can go and check
you out?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It? Uh? Social media wise, you can check us out
on Facebook and Instagram. You can't check out our website.
It's narbona band dot com, but it hasn't been updated
in recently, but we'll get on that as soon as possible. Okay,
that's about it right now.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Awesome, and so let me just throw this out there.
I've been playing with this idea because I over the years,
I've been attempting this over and over.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Try it fail, try it fail.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
But I've always when I go look for music, I'm
always dude, I get so lost.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
In the rabit in the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Because there's so many people, so many places, it's hard
to find music. All the native radio stations or shows
or whatever are mostly focused towards pow wow traditional music,
and it's really hard to find anything that's obscure or

(50:55):
you know, death metal ish or really hardcore punkish or something.
And it seems like unless you're part of a click
of somebody who's like the cool kids or some shit,
you're not really getting visibility. And I've encountered that a
lot over the years, and so recently I was thinking
about So if you go to good kind dot com

(51:17):
and you click the stream button, it takes.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You to a store that I built for.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
My music, good or Kind and the I have all
kinds of stuff on there, country music stuff that I've made,
just punk rock, all kind of shit. I have an
animated music video song called America is a new Reservation,
and that's like a punk rock kind of style. But
I was thinking recently about just relaunching that as just

(51:44):
like a radio station or like an outlet for people
to put their music, so that some there's one place
where somebody can go and say, hey, I want to
go listen to Narbona or whoever, right, and then they
can go there, click on it, stream it, listen to it,
and like that.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
If you ever want to place your music there, just
let me know.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
I'm not paying royalties or anything, because I'm not set
up like that. This is just more of kind of
an expensive hobby that I have.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
No. No, that's awesome, man, I think that's fucking badass. Sorry,
I wish I thought of something like that. That's pretty badass, dude,
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Awesome. Well, just think about it, talk to the guys
about it.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I wish you guys a lot of luck the next
time your show comes out, shoot me a link. I'll
purchase a ticket if you send me a link and
then try to show my support that way. But until
next time, brother, I appreciate it very much. And I
think this is going to go onto the Good or
Kind podcast because with Native Entertainment, I really haven't done

(52:40):
anything at that with a while and I'm trying to
just step away from that and just do something fresh
and new with with my my stuff here.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Whatever you decide, bro, you decide, Like I said, man,
I'm not worried, all right, cool, I trust you, brother.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Thank you all right, man, Later I go in there later, your.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Ahead, yah yah second beside, yoh, yoh,