Natalee Tennant, Never Surrender on Colorado GOP discord; Julie Kelly on Chris Wray's J6 malfeasance
December 16, 2024 • 35 mins
Natalee Tennant, founder of Never Surrender, joins Ryan to update details on discord within the Colorado Republican party - including her own run-in with leadership for daring to disagree with party chair Dave WIlliams.
Julie Kelly, the most prolific and important reporter on the aftermath of January 6th, joins Ryan to detail takeaways from the Inspector General's report on 26 FBI 'confidential human sources' embedded with rally-goers that day, as well as what Christopher Wray and the Bureau are still not telling us about what happened that fateful day.
Julie Kelly, the most prolific and important reporter on the aftermath of January 6th, joins Ryan to detail takeaways from the Inspector General's report on 26 FBI 'confidential human sources' embedded with rally-goers that day, as well as what Christopher Wray and the Bureau are still not telling us about what happened that fateful day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, I'm going to ask him right now, would
you make it two hundred billion dollars and said he
can't believe it or not he can actually afford to
do that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Would you do that?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well, my promise is on. But if he's now ask
him to do more. I think you know it was
you Ada Ship my pop messive? Was you with your support?
I will I will try to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Okay, that's good, all right, two hundred He'll make it
happen two hundred billion investments. He is a great nego said,
he's a brilliant guy and did an unbelievable job.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
And there's a reason why Art of the Deal was
written back in the late eighties, Ryan Schulin, live back
with you, Donald Trump. They're executing, said Art of the
Deal and that type of negotiation at an earlier press
conference today for mar A Lago and that was Masa
Son these soft Bank CEO, who has shareholders to answer to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
But yeah, he'll try to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Up their investment level from one hundred billion, how about
we double it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Double it nothing two hundred million? What do you think?
Come on, Masisonia a great guy like.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean this is just I was so happy for
so many reasons that the election turned out the right
way on November fifth, And believe me, believe me, Okay,
I had to anchor the coverage over there on KOA,
and when I do that, I have to drop my
whole you know, opinion host, analyst, feelings, you know, my beliefs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I got to check those a little bit at the.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Door and allow others like Floyd Serui that night, who
I had the utmost respect for and I thought did
a phenomenal job from historical perspective. He has knowledge and
interworking knowledge of the parties in Colorado, and I thought
was fascinating to listen to Floyd. And then also Benjamin Albright,
for his credit, not just a sports guy. He worked
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in analytics and data for Mike Huckabee in his campaign
in Arkansas, and I think Benjamin is a guy that's
thoughtful and offered some astute observations as well. Was a
fun night, a lot more fun for somebody like me
and for you because we kind of had a pretty
strong idea of how this was going to go once
those swing state results started to come in. But that
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all being said, one of the reasons I was really
happy was what it would do not only for this show,
but for the media, for the American people in general,
and being informed and being kept on the same page
to the degree that Donald Trump can. And I think
if anything, he might have the urge and the temptation
President Trump to tell us too much. Now he knows,
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and he drew the line. You heard it with the
hot take before the break that rhymed that he wasn't
going to get into is he going to preemptively strike Irat?
I'm not going to say that. Why would I say that?
And he's right, you don't show your hand. He knows
better than that. But what it really came down to
for me, and this is such a star contrast. And
I hope the people in the press corps that cover
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the Trump administration and specifically the President himself on a
daily basis, have come now to appreciate this, the access,
the unfettered access that Donald Trump gives the media, rather
than Joe Biden, who is hidden away, who never grants
that type of access except on rare occasions, and when
he does, it's carefully scripted and managed. Donald Trump is
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his own manager. He's like, I'm gonna talk what do
you And I'm gonna tell me not to talk. And
this was Donald Trump, who again he didn't go there,
and quotes about the briefings he's getting about the drones
off the coast of New Jersey. But you can sense
from what he tells you here he knows there's something
going on and that the government knows what's happening, and
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that they're not telling us. But once he takes over
on January twenty, I'm hoping that it's a much different story.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Could you comment on the drones that are flying around
New Jersey and the ports?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And it seems like the there can people have a
big distant government.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The government knows what is happening. Look, our military knows
where they took off from. If it's the garage, they
can go right into that garage. They know where it
came from and where it went. And for some reason
they don't want to comment, and I think they'd be
better off saying what it is. Our military knows, and
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our president knows, and for some reason they want to
keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy,
because it was the enemy that'd blasted out. Even if
they were late, they'd blasted. Something strange is going on
for some reason. They don't want to tell the people,
and they should because the people are really I mean,
they happen to be over Bedminster.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I want to know the truth.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They're very they're they're very close to Bedminster. I think
maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided
to cancel my trip.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
He's kind of joking there, but he's kind of not
That's his golf club in New Jersey, and you know,
he's not going to take any unnecessary security risks there.
And we're not being told the full story. And I
think most of us, most of you, myself speaking for me,
we're sick of that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're sick of being.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Kind of condescended to by those who would lead us,
by government agencies and unelected bureaucrats who believe they know
better than us, who want to avoid mass panics, so
they're only going to tell us what they think we
can handle, and they don't want to create a panic
out there, and so they send out somebody like John
Kirby to try to offer up platitudes and kind of
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half hearted explanations that really don't get to the meat
of the matter.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
And Donald Trump just calls them out right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
If the government knows what's happening, Okay, they're not telling you,
but they know.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I just love that about this guy.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
We need more transparency in government, and hopefully that's coming
with Doze, among other appointees and nominees that Donald Trump
has for his upcoming administration, the likes of Telsea Gabbard
of RFK, Junior of Pete Hegseth and the Secretary of
Defense of Cash pttel and the FBI. We need to
uproot the entire rot of the Washington establishment from the
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root down, from the branch over and the whole tree
in between.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And he also they're throwing all.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Kinds of questions at him here and they really realize, Hey,
we got this opportunity, and Donald Trump's kind of going
along with it. They asked him about the murderer, alleged
Luigi Mangioni, who took out the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson,
and what his thoughts were on the media circus surrounding
Luigi Mangioni, the unabashed affinity for Luigi from a lot
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of people in online circles and through social media, and
Trump isn't going for it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The United Healthcare shooting. Can you give us your thoughts
about that, and what do you make of abooter does that?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I think it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think it's really terrible that some people seem to
admire him like him, and I was happy to see
that it wasn't specific to this gentleman that was killed.
It's just an overall sickness as opposed to a specific sickness.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That was a terrible thing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was cold blooded, just a cold blooded, horrible killing.
And how people can like this guy is that's a sickness. Actually,
that's really very bad, especially the way it was done.
It was so bad written a back and very bad,
very thing like that. You just can't believe that some people,
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and maybe it's fake news.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's hard to believe that that can even be thought of.
But it seems that there's a certain appetite for him.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I don't get it. He doesn't get it. Neither do I.
I'm just glad that I'm not alone in any and
all of this.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Donald Trump, also reacting as a Fox News reporter was
asking him, you may have heard over the weekend that
the accused, who suspected, who alleged that the Duke lacrosse
team had raped her. I mean this is some twenty
years ago. These young men are now aged forty or
more and half of their lives. The reputations have been ruined.
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I mean, think about a Google search of these and
it didn't happen. Didn't happen. She said, point blank, it
did not happen. And she only recently confessed to that.
But we had known it for some time, for many years,
and I remember what a big story that was in
sports circles. I mean, the whole Duke lacrosse program basically
got shut down. The season was canceled, the coach was fired,
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the players were suspended, and I believe expelled from Duke
and all over nothing. Because this entire notion of quote,
believe all women unquote.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is a fallacy.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And I was asking myself this morning, you know which
was the worst liberal credo, believe all women or defund
the police. They were both idiotic and acidine. Of course,
you don't believe all women. There's a lot of bad
people out there who happen to be women, and there's
a lot of bad men, so you shouldn't buy any
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stretch of the imagination. Believe all men. You don't believe
all anything just because of their gender. Are you nuts?
And here's Trump's reaction to that. I know that you
had some I believe involvedment eighteen years ago with the
students at Duke accused of rape lacrosse.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Now we have this.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I thought it was a hoax when it happened, the
Duke situation. I didn't believe the woman, as you know,
and you destroyed. They destroyed the lives of these kids.
They destroyed and I don't care what they got. Their
lives have been destroyed. Their lives have been shortened by
what took place. And now the woman admitted that it
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never happened. That is horrible. And as you know, I
took a lot of heat when I said that this
is this did not happen. And those kids were beautiful
kids with beautiful families, and they were in some cases will.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Never be the same.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
They will never be the same.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's good to have a leader coming back to the
White House. And it can't happen a moment too soon.
January twentieth, I will be there and talking more about
this case either tomorrow or Wednesday, with koumbe Ginani.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I hope I'm saying that right.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
He just visited me in person here at the iHeart
Studios and he's dropped off of dossier assorts for Dan Kaplis,
and he is the founder and president of False Rape
Shields Safeguarding Innocent Men and nonprofit. And I'll look forward
to that conversation more about this case, about the Brett
Kavanaugh allegations. There will be a lot to talk about,
and I believe Kombe will be joining me in studio
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for that, joining us by phone now here on Ryan
Schulan Live. She's a big fan of the program and
I know also listens to KOA. She was just done
with Mandy Connell earlier today over there, the founder of
Never Surrender, Natalie Tennant, she joined us now. Natalie, thank
you so much for your time as all always.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Ryan, thank you so much. Yes, I'm your biggest fan,
that is true. And the grandson listened to you in
the car line.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Every day, and I have that in mind when I
try to keep my language to a PG thirteen minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But I know he's younger than that, right.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
He ish God, jeez, I failed you, Okay. New Year's
Resolution I'm going to try to clean up my act
a little bit more for him, just for him. But Natalie,
you had reached out to me about I don't know.
This looks like some high drama, and we're used to this,
unfortunately in the Colorado Republican Party, with the current leadership,
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in particular Chair Dave Williams, who not only is his
own worst enemy, but I think in many ways for
the Republican Party our worst enemy that is getting in
the way of victories.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Here.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It was no thanks to him that Gabe Evans, for example,
won the eighth congressional district race. Dave Williams endorsed his
primary opponent, joanik Joshi, who didn't even live in the
district at that point. And we know that Gave Evans
is a bright up and comer, a young talent in
our party, and he won, thankfully that seat against you,
Derek Caravan. It turned out to be a very pivotal
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seat nationwide for the Republican majority in the House.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's just one example.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But Natalie, take us through what's going on in your
life with regard to the party and what run in
you had.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
So it's been no secret that.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I've supported the removal of him.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I am not a voting member, but I am a
registered Republican, so I cared greatly about our party. I
had noticed some chatter along socials Wednesday morning in regards
to I believe it's Laura Thomas had stepped down as
a commissioner in Douglas County and there was a vacancy open,
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and there was a lot of controversy and speculation out
there attacking Steve Peck, who was a fan of Dave's
removal as well. We all know that, well we may not,
so to tell your listeners. He was, so there was
an attack on him that Dave Williams State Party had
put out, and so I reached out to Steve directly
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because I just wanted to understand how the process worked,
because in my county it's different. So I wanted to understand.
So I asked him a bunch of questions. We had
a phone conversation. He said he was going to put
out a video, and I said, would you like to
do a Twitter Space? I love doing Twitter space as xspace,
and he said yeah. So I put it together. I
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asked Britta Horn if she would co host with me,
and she said yes. So we did, like a town hall,
let's go directly to the source as to why he
chose to do it the way he did. That was
the basis of this Twitter space. That is why we
held it. I let him speak first. And in the
beginning of that, somebody had stated that Hope Shuppelman, our
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state party vice chair, was on the call, so I
welcomed her on. She said great things. We thanked her.
Numerous people on the call thanked her for being on
the call because the call then kind of pivoted a
little bit in regards to controversies that have happened over
this last year, specifically over the summer, and we started
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having a very adult, open dialogue conversation about it. So
with that being said, closer to the end of the call,
it was a perfect call, by the way, Ryan and
I think Trump would agree, but it was a perfect call.
Because perfect call you do his voice very well, by
the way, is God bless Donald Trump and the love
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for him and gushes out of me this man. So
towards the end of it, there was the Twitter handle
was skin in the game, and he introduced himself as
Anthony Chravis. So I had brought up the topic who
runs the state party socials the Twitter x because they're
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not very classy in the response to people, like on
Veterans Day, they attacked Jarvis Caldwell, a veteran, So we
brought that topic up as who runs it because the
responses in the attacks. We talked about it. Though nobody
was angry or aggravated, he was very persistent in wanting to.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Know who was in charge of Dave, who oversees Dave.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
So the committee woman, Christy Fedora, said she wanted to
answer that. So she explained how the RNC works, why
they didn't really get involved because we're not a battleground state.
So she just gave better of factual answers to him,
and Hope answered as well too. He just didn't get
the response I guess that he wanted, but we moved
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on from the conversation. We ended the call. The call
was great, fast forward ten ish hours. I don't know
what transpired from the end of that call to seven
thirty ish in the morning, but he made some pretty
horrific threats in the Twitter feed, and I don't condone
that that is horrific and violence. There's no place for
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violence at any time. I don't not politics, not anytime.
So I did put out a statement later that day
because I was at the hospital with my husband. He's
been in and out of the hospital this from July,
and I couldn't put that focus onto it because my
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family comes first over a political controversy. So we did
put out a statement myself for an ever surrender, as
well as Brita horn in myself because of the call.
The call was perfect and anybody with a logical brain
that listens to the playback of it can hear there
was no incitement of anything. So for Dave Williams to
then get on podcasts or put out statements in letters
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or posts that we incited anything is absolutely ridiculous because
immediately after that call, if you go look at the
Twitter handle the feed of that call, you will see
he attacked me personally first, accusing me of being paid
to agitate. That is so far from the truth that
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I haven't been. I haven't had a job in three years.
I'll throw that out there, but so there lies, he's
skating lies. And for him to be on a podcast
and name me as an ally of Anthony Chavez is
absolutely absurd because I don't know who this guy is
personally has he been in realms of where I've been. Yes,
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he helped us cure ballots for Dan Wug. He volunteered,
we took all the we got over eighty volunteers for
that curing effort and it was beautiful because Dan Woog won.
We did the work, we put the time in in
Dan one. So the group that did that should be proud.
But by no means do we have a personal I
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do not have a personal connect with this man. So
the allegations that he's pointing naming me for is absurd
because there's no truth to.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Ryan Well, you can find out more by following her
on X at co never surrender, that's an ev R,
and then the words surrender is spelled in full there never
surrendered National And again it's just a tempest in a teapot,
but it has far reaching implications and it's just par
for the course. Unfortunately, under the current leadership, it's always
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one thing after another. And you mentioned the summer, going
back to the summer that God hates flags email and
comment that's where he lost me and Colorado GOP has
since unfollowed me on X I'm heartbroken by that. However,
I'm heartened by the fact that Natalie Tennant follows me
on X and listens to this show. So Natalie, thanks
for sharing your story. We'll follow up with you definitely
after the holidays, and until then, have a merry Christmas.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Absolutely never surrender means never. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
All right, Natalie Tennant joining us there your reaction five seven, seven,
three nine, Stay tuned, Julie Kelly.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Next, I'm Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
If you are asking whether the violence at the Capitol
on January sixth was part of some operation orchestrated by
FBI sources.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And or agents, the answer is emphatic no.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Is not violence orchestrated by FBI sources or agents.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Now remember the rhetorical analysis I gave you last week
about the very weasily, very slimy and snaky Christopher Ray,
FBI director there back here on Ryan Schuling Live. The
parenthetical framing of the question is he wanted to answer
it he.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Presented to the Congress.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
If you're asking X, y Z the way I just
stated it, well, then the answer is an emphatic no.
But now we find out that after the fact and
Inspector General report says that twenty six FBI human resources
sources were on the payroll and there that day on
January sixth. Now, these weren't necessarily uniformed A agents, as
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Christopher Ray tried to parse through, there are vary degrees
and levels of cooperation you might get from say a
government rat of sorts that infiltrated or embedded themselves within
some of these groups because maybe they had some charges
hanging over their heads, so they had no choice but
to make a deal, to cut a deal with the FBI.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And yet three of.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Those twenty six at least found their way into restricted
areas or the capital itself, and none of them were
being charged. Ray Epps not being charged, so many still
are and fighting the good fight. Nobody does better research
and reporting on this topic than Julie Kelly. You'll hear
her mentioned many times by Dan Bongino and others, and
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we're proud to have her for the first time here
on Ryan Schuling Live. Make sure to follow her on exit.
Julie underscore Kelly and the number two after that. Julie,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Hey, Ryan, thanks so much for having me out.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I know it's going to give you like an ice
cream headache. But I want to have you kind of
offer a response to what you've heard from Christopher Ray
and attempt as you are able to set the record straight.
So what he just said there, what you just heard,
how would you kind of position a counter argument for
listeners out there?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Well, look, and I've covered this. My work can be
found at declassified with Julie Kelly, my subsecond also Real
Caleer Investigations. And to your point, Ryan, I've been covering
this for four years, and what Christopher Ray has done
is history, of course, has evolved and changed. Initially right
after January sixth, he told the Senate in March of
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twenty twenty one, and oh G shucks, I wish we
would have had better sources. If we would have had
some sources in these groups like the Proud Boys and Okkeepers,
we would have known this attack on the Capitol was coming.
So he made it sound like they were completely caught
off guard. They had no FBI assets, undercovers or informants
in any of these groups. But next time we'll do better,
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That's what you told Senator Amy Kloviachart. Then, as we
finally found evidence of FBI informants, and some of which
was even disclosed in these high profile trials like the
Proud Boys and Oathkeepers. Then all of a sudden, Chris
Ray changed his tune. Well, I can't talk about the
use of informants, confidential human sources that would compromise investigations
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and ongoing prosecutions. Then he changed it to becoming indignant,
which is the clip you just heard the exchange with
Clay Higgins where then he changed it too, Well, yeah,
we had informants, We should have had informants, but they
didn't insite any violence. Well, we don't know that. And
the reason we don't know it is because the DOJ
and fbi've covered it up for four years, not just
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in what they should be disclosing to Congress and the public,
but they've done this in court proceedings as well. So
the report that came out last week very thin, gruel.
Michael Horror, which should be ashamed of himself for producing
that document. Quite frankly, Donald Trump should fire him over it.
The American people are entitled to know have a full
accounting of all FBI informants, undercover agents, and other assets
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involved before on the events of January.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Sixth, Julie Kelly joining us and again the foremost authority
on the subject. As she mentioned, she's been reporting on
this for four years, going back to the date itself,
January sixth, twenty twenty one. What I want to get
to and we've heard President Trump say he might pardon
the J six ers or a vast majority of them
within the first nine minutes was the direct quote of
when he's sworn in on January twenty of twenty twenty five.
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But Julie, just to kind of compare and contrast, we
talk about the twenty six people that were there that
day that were human informants for the FBI, three of
whom per the report at least went into the Capitol
restricted areas of the building itself.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mentioned Ray Apps not being charged.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Do you have a number or rough estimate of how
many J sixers are currently in custody facing charges and
on what kind of broad spectrum of charges are they
being offered up on?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Well, Ryan, believe it or not, there were new arrests
announced today. I am in Washington, d C. I just
left the DC Federal Courthouse where I was covering the
trial of a woman from Colorado who went inside the
building for nine minutes. She committed no violence. She's charged
with four misdemeanors. She is surrounded by police while she's
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inside the lobby of the Senate side of the building,
nonetheless facing four misdemeanor charges. There were eight government lawyers
in the courtroom today. The case is being the trial
is being presided over by the chief Judge of the
Washington Circuit and jury selection. Get this jury selection in
a city that just voted ninety three percent for Kamala
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Harris took an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
This is a.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Sort of rigged legal and judicial process. J six are
still encountering in Washington, D C. As the total case
load creeps towards one thousand, six hundred total defendants.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Wow, one thousand, six hundred total defendants from January sixth,
Julie Kelly, our guest, whither ray Epps? Julie, I want
to get your thoughts in perspective on this man who
was caught on video more than once, several times saying
we need to go into the Capitol building. And while
virtually every other January sixer was vilified by the press
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and by the jan six subcommittee, proper Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger,
and others. Ray Apps did not testify in prime time.
He testified in a skiff off of camera, and there
were defenses offered up four ray Apps, by Kinsinger, by Cheney,
by Pelosi, by the left. Why were they so hard
on all the other J sixers but so supportive of
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ray Apps?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Yeah, Ryan, that still is such a mystery. Of course,
it's not if you continue to suspect, as many do
and I do as well, that he was there in
some sort of capacity on behalf of the government. Now
he is said under oath he was not there as
an asset of the FBI. Okay, fine, there are a
dozen other government entities and agencies that he could have
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been deployed there as representing. So and of course he's
a foreigner military guy, and you know that there were
many military assets there. So was he there on behalf
of one of those agencies? I'm sure we'll find out.
But what was fascinating is the same people who consider
anyone who walked inside of building for a few minutes
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an insurrectionist, a domestic terrorist, a trader. Suddenly there was
all this sympathy for ray Apps, right, I mean, Adam Kinzinger,
Liz Cheney. You know, even in core proceedings, the judge Feltzart,
the same judge throwing people behind bars on parading convictions,
suddenly has empathy for Ray Apps who did plead guilty
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to one low level disorderly conduct. He got probation, didn't
spend one hour behind the bars. So yes, he's just
one of many suspicious figures tied to the message.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Julie Kelly joining us.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
She is Julie Underscore Kelly two the number two on
X where you can follow her reporting and it is
top of the line.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
One other thing I want to ask you about here.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Christopher Ray got himself embroiled in an intellectual contest with
his vast superior representative, Thomas Massey, who has two degrees
from MIT and Massey has been targeting in Julie on
this issue of a bomb being planted outside the DNC
where the Vice President elect, Senator Kamala Harris at the
time was reported to be stationed. And yet we knew
(27:38):
nothing about this. We found out nothing about this after
the fact. Here is the initial form of that questioning
Massey for Ray of several months ago.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Can you tell us how the second pipe bomb was
found at the DNC.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Again, I'm not going to get into that here.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
Nine hundred days ago is when this happened, and you
said you had total confidence we'd apprehend the subject. We've
found on video that looks like somebody a passer by
miraculously found this pipe bomb at the DNC and then
notified the police. Miraculously, I say, because it was specifically
the same the precise time to cause the maximum distraction
(28:15):
from the events going on at the Capitol mass He continues,
can you show this video that we have police I'd
like to know if the director.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Has seen this.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
This is somebody with a mask on, wearing a hat.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
They're walking in front of the DNC, which is out
of the view on the right hand side.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
You'll see him come into view.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
He goes to one police car, he goes to another
police car. He's holding him backpack, he's got a mask on.
He's talking to the police and within a minute they
start scrambling.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
You'll see the camera turn to.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
The pipe bomb, the location of the pipe bomb, by
the way, that's I believe the Metro police are now
getting out of the car, and that's Vice President Elect's
detail in the black suv I believe parked about thirty
feet from the pipe bomb, eating lunch. Now we go
over to the location of the pipe bomb. The cameras
are scrambling. It appears to me that that's not a
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coincidence that the person with the backpack who walked by
that bench and then went up to the police and
the detail.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Didn't do that accidentally.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
They had a purpose in mind, and then what transpired
after that was the result of information that person gave
to them.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So Ray's sweating and mass He's not done.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
If that person found the pipe bomb, would they be
a suspect?
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Well, again, I don't want to speculate about specific individuals.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I will tell you that we have done.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Thousands of interviews, reviewed something like forty thousand video files,
of which this is one says five hundred something tips.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Have you interviewed you at the crisis.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
We have conducted all logical investigative steps and interviewed all
logical individuals.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Then you need it's nine.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
You need to tell us what you've because we're finding
stuff you haven't released into the public.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Nine hundred days later, Julie and Ray continues to obfuscate.
You notice he uses the rhetorical device of broadening. Well,
we did all these other interviews, but he wouldn't answer
the question about that one. A very important detail about
what was caught on that video? What can you tell
us right?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Well, I mean this is alongside with how many government
assets were there on January sixth, is where's the pipe bomber?
And not only is Chris Ray evasive about the investigation
to the extent that there was one. Benny Thompson also
admitted the chairman of the January sixth Select Committee admitted
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to Congresson Matthew as well that they didn't investigate the
pipeop Now, how is this possible, especially in light of
the fact that, yeah, Kamala Harris not only the incoming
vice president, a Citty US senator at the time, who
should have been at the Capitol also involved in the
certification process this date and explicably leaves the Capitol at
(31:00):
eleven twenty am goes to DNC headquarters, where she remained
until she was evacuated at one seventeen, about ten minutes
after this alleged pipe bomb was discovered. She's never answered
any questions about it. She's never been asked any questions
about this near death experience by the mag Obamber on
(31:20):
January sixth, So that's why Chris Ray is covering this
up as well. Then we found out that another FBI
official misled Congress last year when he said that they
had obtained all the data from seven cell phone providers,
one of whom had to belong to the Pipe Bomber.
But g one of the files was corrupted and as
(31:41):
this official said, knowing our luck, it was that of
the pipe bomber. Well, no, that's not true. The cell
phone companies all just came back to Representative Very louder Milk,
who's conducting a separate investigation into the j sixth Committee,
and said, all of our files are intact and if
you want a subpoena US again for them, we'll turn
them over.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Thirty five days is until President Trump has sworn in
once again as our forty seventh President of the United States.
Hopefully he will pardon a vast majority of the Jay sixers.
On that day, she'll be there to report about it.
We hope to have those conversations with her between now
and then and thereafter follow her on exit. Julie underscore
Kelly the number two. Julie fascinating insights. We are so
(32:20):
thankful for you joining us, and I hope you can
do it again soon.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Absolutely, thanks for having me out on. We'll talk soon,
all right.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Julie Kelly right there, your thoughts and reaction five seven
seven thirty nine, as we round out today's Monday edition
of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
After this, I'm going to Graceland in Memphis, Tennis cee.
Oh yeah, Paul Simon. Ever been to Graceland? Jesse? No,
he said, Kelly. Have you been to grace Land?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I have twice?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Did you go when? Had John Stamos narrating the tour?
Speaker 9 (32:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay? Do you find John Stamos attractive?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Isn't he the one in Full House? He's Uncle Jesse
from Full House? Certainly is okay? They all of his impersonations.
Isn't he one of us?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Oh? I don't know about that. I don't know that
he's not. But I don't know about that, Okay, I
mean it'd be great if he was, right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think he might be. I mean he's good looking,
so automatically I assume yes. Because is he married to
like Rebecca Romayne? Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I think they are they still together. I don't know.
I don't keep up on the gossip.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
No, he's with our she's with the guy from stand
By Me.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The movie. Yeah, oh wow, I didn't know that was
his name, Jerry something. Look that up and tell me
Cherry O'Connell. Jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
That's who he's married.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
She's married to you right now? Okay, as a lady.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Is that an upgrade or a downgrade from John Stamos
to Jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
It depends on what.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Way better looking am. I doesn't matter how you look,
it matters what you do. Come on, Yeah, Stamos is
a gorgeous man. I can say it without fear. Kay,
all right, is he not go? Go for it? Sure?
All right, let's speak. Not my type. But now I'm
just happy I passed.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You passed driving exam, Kelly, despite being mostly blind.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I made I hold on it was not a driving exam.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Well renewing my license and I had to take a
full eye test and I passed.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Congratulations, Thanks good Jim, Alexa text in five seven seven
three and I love Julie Kelly.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Beyond wrong that this information is not being shared on
every media outlet. Well, I agree. That's why we had
Julian and hopefully we'll have around again soon and often.
And Stephen Littleton says Trump needs to take a figurative
chainsaw to the FBI.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I liked it when Javier Mela brought in the actual
chainsaw to cut budget and now they're running surpluses in Argentina.
Wouldn't mind the theater if Trump did it too. And yeah,
FBI's got to be gutted, and I mean down to
the core. We'll see what happens on January twentieth, and
hopefully Cash Pttel has sworn in as director.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Back with You
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Tomorrow another edition Ryan Shirley Live right here on six
point thirty k how
All right, I'm going to ask him right now, would
you make it two hundred billion dollars and said he
can't believe it or not he can actually afford to
do that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Would you do that?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Well, my promise is on. But if he's now ask
him to do more. I think you know it was
you Ada Ship my pop messive? Was you with your support?
I will I will try to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Okay, that's good, all right, two hundred He'll make it
happen two hundred billion investments. He is a great nego said,
he's a brilliant guy and did an unbelievable job.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
And there's a reason why Art of the Deal was
written back in the late eighties, Ryan Schulin, live back
with you, Donald Trump. They're executing, said Art of the
Deal and that type of negotiation at an earlier press
conference today for mar A Lago and that was Masa
Son these soft Bank CEO, who has shareholders to answer to.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
But yeah, he'll try to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Up their investment level from one hundred billion, how about
we double it?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Double it nothing two hundred million? What do you think?
Come on, Masisonia a great guy like.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean this is just I was so happy for
so many reasons that the election turned out the right
way on November fifth, And believe me, believe me, Okay,
I had to anchor the coverage over there on KOA,
and when I do that, I have to drop my
whole you know, opinion host, analyst, feelings, you know, my beliefs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I got to check those a little bit at the.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Door and allow others like Floyd Serui that night, who
I had the utmost respect for and I thought did
a phenomenal job from historical perspective. He has knowledge and
interworking knowledge of the parties in Colorado, and I thought
was fascinating to listen to Floyd. And then also Benjamin Albright,
for his credit, not just a sports guy. He worked
(01:58):
in analytics and data for Mike Huckabee in his campaign
in Arkansas, and I think Benjamin is a guy that's
thoughtful and offered some astute observations as well. Was a
fun night, a lot more fun for somebody like me
and for you because we kind of had a pretty
strong idea of how this was going to go once
those swing state results started to come in. But that
(02:21):
all being said, one of the reasons I was really
happy was what it would do not only for this show,
but for the media, for the American people in general,
and being informed and being kept on the same page
to the degree that Donald Trump can. And I think
if anything, he might have the urge and the temptation
President Trump to tell us too much. Now he knows,
(02:42):
and he drew the line. You heard it with the
hot take before the break that rhymed that he wasn't
going to get into is he going to preemptively strike Irat?
I'm not going to say that. Why would I say that?
And he's right, you don't show your hand. He knows
better than that. But what it really came down to
for me, and this is such a star contrast. And
I hope the people in the press corps that cover
(03:03):
the Trump administration and specifically the President himself on a
daily basis, have come now to appreciate this, the access,
the unfettered access that Donald Trump gives the media, rather
than Joe Biden, who is hidden away, who never grants
that type of access except on rare occasions, and when
he does, it's carefully scripted and managed. Donald Trump is
(03:26):
his own manager. He's like, I'm gonna talk what do
you And I'm gonna tell me not to talk. And
this was Donald Trump, who again he didn't go there,
and quotes about the briefings he's getting about the drones
off the coast of New Jersey. But you can sense
from what he tells you here he knows there's something
going on and that the government knows what's happening, and
(03:47):
that they're not telling us. But once he takes over
on January twenty, I'm hoping that it's a much different story.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Could you comment on the drones that are flying around
New Jersey and the ports?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And it seems like the there can people have a
big distant government.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The government knows what is happening. Look, our military knows
where they took off from. If it's the garage, they
can go right into that garage. They know where it
came from and where it went. And for some reason
they don't want to comment, and I think they'd be
better off saying what it is. Our military knows, and
(04:20):
our president knows, and for some reason they want to
keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy,
because it was the enemy that'd blasted out. Even if
they were late, they'd blasted. Something strange is going on
for some reason. They don't want to tell the people,
and they should because the people are really I mean,
they happen to be over Bedminster.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I want to know the truth.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They're very they're they're very close to Bedminster. I think
maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided
to cancel my trip.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
He's kind of joking there, but he's kind of not
That's his golf club in New Jersey, and you know,
he's not going to take any unnecessary security risks there.
And we're not being told the full story. And I
think most of us, most of you, myself speaking for me,
we're sick of that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
We're sick of being.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Kind of condescended to by those who would lead us,
by government agencies and unelected bureaucrats who believe they know
better than us, who want to avoid mass panics, so
they're only going to tell us what they think we
can handle, and they don't want to create a panic
out there, and so they send out somebody like John
Kirby to try to offer up platitudes and kind of
(05:31):
half hearted explanations that really don't get to the meat
of the matter.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
And Donald Trump just calls them out right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
If the government knows what's happening, Okay, they're not telling you,
but they know.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And I just love that about this guy.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
We need more transparency in government, and hopefully that's coming
with Doze, among other appointees and nominees that Donald Trump
has for his upcoming administration, the likes of Telsea Gabbard
of RFK, Junior of Pete Hegseth and the Secretary of
Defense of Cash pttel and the FBI. We need to
uproot the entire rot of the Washington establishment from the
(06:07):
root down, from the branch over and the whole tree
in between.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And he also they're throwing all.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Kinds of questions at him here and they really realize, Hey,
we got this opportunity, and Donald Trump's kind of going
along with it. They asked him about the murderer, alleged
Luigi Mangioni, who took out the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson,
and what his thoughts were on the media circus surrounding
Luigi Mangioni, the unabashed affinity for Luigi from a lot
(06:41):
of people in online circles and through social media, and
Trump isn't going for it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The United Healthcare shooting. Can you give us your thoughts
about that, and what do you make of abooter does that?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I think it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I think it's really terrible that some people seem to
admire him like him, and I was happy to see
that it wasn't specific to this gentleman that was killed.
It's just an overall sickness as opposed to a specific sickness.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That was a terrible thing.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It was cold blooded, just a cold blooded, horrible killing.
And how people can like this guy is that's a sickness. Actually,
that's really very bad, especially the way it was done.
It was so bad written a back and very bad,
very thing like that. You just can't believe that some people,
(07:36):
and maybe it's fake news.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's hard to believe that that can even be thought of.
But it seems that there's a certain appetite for him.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I don't get it. He doesn't get it. Neither do I.
I'm just glad that I'm not alone in any and
all of this.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Donald Trump, also reacting as a Fox News reporter was
asking him, you may have heard over the weekend that
the accused, who suspected, who alleged that the Duke lacrosse
team had raped her. I mean this is some twenty
years ago. These young men are now aged forty or
more and half of their lives. The reputations have been ruined.
(08:16):
I mean, think about a Google search of these and
it didn't happen. Didn't happen. She said, point blank, it
did not happen. And she only recently confessed to that.
But we had known it for some time, for many years,
and I remember what a big story that was in
sports circles. I mean, the whole Duke lacrosse program basically
got shut down. The season was canceled, the coach was fired,
(08:36):
the players were suspended, and I believe expelled from Duke
and all over nothing. Because this entire notion of quote,
believe all women unquote.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is a fallacy.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
And I was asking myself this morning, you know which
was the worst liberal credo, believe all women or defund
the police. They were both idiotic and acidine. Of course,
you don't believe all women. There's a lot of bad
people out there who happen to be women, and there's
a lot of bad men, so you shouldn't buy any
(09:11):
stretch of the imagination. Believe all men. You don't believe
all anything just because of their gender. Are you nuts?
And here's Trump's reaction to that. I know that you
had some I believe involvedment eighteen years ago with the
students at Duke accused of rape lacrosse.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Now we have this.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I thought it was a hoax when it happened, the
Duke situation. I didn't believe the woman, as you know,
and you destroyed. They destroyed the lives of these kids.
They destroyed and I don't care what they got. Their
lives have been destroyed. Their lives have been shortened by
what took place. And now the woman admitted that it
(09:53):
never happened. That is horrible. And as you know, I
took a lot of heat when I said that this
is this did not happen. And those kids were beautiful
kids with beautiful families, and they were in some cases will.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Never be the same.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
They will never be the same.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
It's good to have a leader coming back to the
White House. And it can't happen a moment too soon.
January twentieth, I will be there and talking more about
this case either tomorrow or Wednesday, with koumbe Ginani.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I hope I'm saying that right.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
He just visited me in person here at the iHeart
Studios and he's dropped off of dossier assorts for Dan Kaplis,
and he is the founder and president of False Rape
Shields Safeguarding Innocent Men and nonprofit. And I'll look forward
to that conversation more about this case, about the Brett
Kavanaugh allegations. There will be a lot to talk about,
and I believe Kombe will be joining me in studio
(10:45):
for that, joining us by phone now here on Ryan
Schulan Live. She's a big fan of the program and
I know also listens to KOA. She was just done
with Mandy Connell earlier today over there, the founder of
Never Surrender, Natalie Tennant, she joined us now. Natalie, thank
you so much for your time as all always.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Ryan, thank you so much. Yes, I'm your biggest fan,
that is true. And the grandson listened to you in
the car line.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Every day, and I have that in mind when I
try to keep my language to a PG thirteen minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But I know he's younger than that, right.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
He ish God, jeez, I failed you, Okay. New Year's
Resolution I'm going to try to clean up my act
a little bit more for him, just for him. But Natalie,
you had reached out to me about I don't know.
This looks like some high drama, and we're used to this,
unfortunately in the Colorado Republican Party, with the current leadership,
(11:36):
in particular Chair Dave Williams, who not only is his
own worst enemy, but I think in many ways for
the Republican Party our worst enemy that is getting in
the way of victories.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Here.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It was no thanks to him that Gabe Evans, for example,
won the eighth congressional district race. Dave Williams endorsed his
primary opponent, joanik Joshi, who didn't even live in the
district at that point. And we know that Gave Evans
is a bright up and comer, a young talent in
our party, and he won, thankfully that seat against you,
Derek Caravan. It turned out to be a very pivotal
(12:06):
seat nationwide for the Republican majority in the House.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's just one example.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But Natalie, take us through what's going on in your
life with regard to the party and what run in
you had.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
So it's been no secret that.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I've supported the removal of him.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I am not a voting member, but I am a
registered Republican, so I cared greatly about our party. I
had noticed some chatter along socials Wednesday morning in regards
to I believe it's Laura Thomas had stepped down as
a commissioner in Douglas County and there was a vacancy open,
(12:49):
and there was a lot of controversy and speculation out
there attacking Steve Peck, who was a fan of Dave's
removal as well. We all know that, well we may not,
so to tell your listeners. He was, so there was
an attack on him that Dave Williams State Party had
put out, and so I reached out to Steve directly
(13:10):
because I just wanted to understand how the process worked,
because in my county it's different. So I wanted to understand.
So I asked him a bunch of questions. We had
a phone conversation. He said he was going to put
out a video, and I said, would you like to
do a Twitter Space? I love doing Twitter space as xspace,
and he said yeah. So I put it together. I
(13:30):
asked Britta Horn if she would co host with me,
and she said yes. So we did, like a town hall,
let's go directly to the source as to why he
chose to do it the way he did. That was
the basis of this Twitter space. That is why we
held it. I let him speak first. And in the
beginning of that, somebody had stated that Hope Shuppelman, our
(13:53):
state party vice chair, was on the call, so I
welcomed her on. She said great things. We thanked her.
Numerous people on the call thanked her for being on
the call because the call then kind of pivoted a
little bit in regards to controversies that have happened over
this last year, specifically over the summer, and we started
(14:15):
having a very adult, open dialogue conversation about it. So
with that being said, closer to the end of the call,
it was a perfect call, by the way, Ryan and
I think Trump would agree, but it was a perfect call.
Because perfect call you do his voice very well, by
the way, is God bless Donald Trump and the love
(14:37):
for him and gushes out of me this man. So
towards the end of it, there was the Twitter handle
was skin in the game, and he introduced himself as
Anthony Chravis. So I had brought up the topic who
runs the state party socials the Twitter x because they're
(14:58):
not very classy in the response to people, like on
Veterans Day, they attacked Jarvis Caldwell, a veteran, So we
brought that topic up as who runs it because the
responses in the attacks. We talked about it. Though nobody
was angry or aggravated, he was very persistent in wanting to.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Know who was in charge of Dave, who oversees Dave.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
So the committee woman, Christy Fedora, said she wanted to
answer that. So she explained how the RNC works, why
they didn't really get involved because we're not a battleground state.
So she just gave better of factual answers to him,
and Hope answered as well too. He just didn't get
the response I guess that he wanted, but we moved
(15:45):
on from the conversation. We ended the call. The call
was great, fast forward ten ish hours. I don't know
what transpired from the end of that call to seven
thirty ish in the morning, but he made some pretty
horrific threats in the Twitter feed, and I don't condone
that that is horrific and violence. There's no place for
(16:09):
violence at any time. I don't not politics, not anytime.
So I did put out a statement later that day
because I was at the hospital with my husband. He's
been in and out of the hospital this from July,
and I couldn't put that focus onto it because my
(16:30):
family comes first over a political controversy. So we did
put out a statement myself for an ever surrender, as
well as Brita horn in myself because of the call.
The call was perfect and anybody with a logical brain
that listens to the playback of it can hear there
was no incitement of anything. So for Dave Williams to
then get on podcasts or put out statements in letters
(16:52):
or posts that we incited anything is absolutely ridiculous because
immediately after that call, if you go look at the
Twitter handle the feed of that call, you will see
he attacked me personally first, accusing me of being paid
to agitate. That is so far from the truth that
(17:13):
I haven't been. I haven't had a job in three years.
I'll throw that out there, but so there lies, he's
skating lies. And for him to be on a podcast
and name me as an ally of Anthony Chavez is
absolutely absurd because I don't know who this guy is
personally has he been in realms of where I've been. Yes,
(17:34):
he helped us cure ballots for Dan Wug. He volunteered,
we took all the we got over eighty volunteers for
that curing effort and it was beautiful because Dan Woog won.
We did the work, we put the time in in
Dan one. So the group that did that should be proud.
But by no means do we have a personal I
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do not have a personal connect with this man. So
the allegations that he's pointing naming me for is absurd
because there's no truth to.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Ryan Well, you can find out more by following her
on X at co never surrender, that's an ev R,
and then the words surrender is spelled in full there never
surrendered National And again it's just a tempest in a teapot,
but it has far reaching implications and it's just par
for the course. Unfortunately, under the current leadership, it's always
(18:27):
one thing after another. And you mentioned the summer, going
back to the summer that God hates flags email and
comment that's where he lost me and Colorado GOP has
since unfollowed me on X I'm heartbroken by that. However,
I'm heartened by the fact that Natalie Tennant follows me
on X and listens to this show. So Natalie, thanks
for sharing your story. We'll follow up with you definitely
after the holidays, and until then, have a merry Christmas.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Absolutely never surrender means never. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Ryan.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
All right, Natalie Tennant joining us there your reaction five seven, seven,
three nine, Stay tuned, Julie Kelly.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Next, I'm Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
If you are asking whether the violence at the Capitol
on January sixth was part of some operation orchestrated by
FBI sources.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And or agents, the answer is emphatic no.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Is not violence orchestrated by FBI sources or agents.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Now remember the rhetorical analysis I gave you last week
about the very weasily, very slimy and snaky Christopher Ray,
FBI director there back here on Ryan Schuling Live. The
parenthetical framing of the question is he wanted to answer
it he.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Presented to the Congress.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
If you're asking X, y Z the way I just
stated it, well, then the answer is an emphatic no.
But now we find out that after the fact and
Inspector General report says that twenty six FBI human resources
sources were on the payroll and there that day on
January sixth. Now, these weren't necessarily uniformed A agents, as
(20:01):
Christopher Ray tried to parse through, there are vary degrees
and levels of cooperation you might get from say a
government rat of sorts that infiltrated or embedded themselves within
some of these groups because maybe they had some charges
hanging over their heads, so they had no choice but
to make a deal, to cut a deal with the FBI.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And yet three of.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Those twenty six at least found their way into restricted
areas or the capital itself, and none of them were
being charged. Ray Epps not being charged, so many still
are and fighting the good fight. Nobody does better research
and reporting on this topic than Julie Kelly. You'll hear
her mentioned many times by Dan Bongino and others, and
(20:43):
we're proud to have her for the first time here
on Ryan Schuling Live. Make sure to follow her on exit.
Julie underscore Kelly and the number two after that. Julie,
thank you so much for your time today.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
Hey, Ryan, thanks so much for having me out.
Speaker 9 (20:55):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I know it's going to give you like an ice
cream headache. But I want to have you kind of
offer a response to what you've heard from Christopher Ray
and attempt as you are able to set the record straight.
So what he just said there, what you just heard,
how would you kind of position a counter argument for
listeners out there?
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Well, look, and I've covered this. My work can be
found at declassified with Julie Kelly, my subsecond also Real
Caleer Investigations. And to your point, Ryan, I've been covering
this for four years, and what Christopher Ray has done
is history, of course, has evolved and changed. Initially right
after January sixth, he told the Senate in March of
(21:34):
twenty twenty one, and oh G shucks, I wish we
would have had better sources. If we would have had
some sources in these groups like the Proud Boys and Okkeepers,
we would have known this attack on the Capitol was coming.
So he made it sound like they were completely caught
off guard. They had no FBI assets, undercovers or informants
in any of these groups. But next time we'll do better,
(21:57):
That's what you told Senator Amy Kloviachart. Then, as we
finally found evidence of FBI informants, and some of which
was even disclosed in these high profile trials like the
Proud Boys and Oathkeepers. Then all of a sudden, Chris
Ray changed his tune. Well, I can't talk about the
use of informants, confidential human sources that would compromise investigations
(22:21):
and ongoing prosecutions. Then he changed it to becoming indignant,
which is the clip you just heard the exchange with
Clay Higgins where then he changed it too, Well, yeah,
we had informants, We should have had informants, but they
didn't insite any violence. Well, we don't know that. And
the reason we don't know it is because the DOJ
and fbi've covered it up for four years, not just
(22:44):
in what they should be disclosing to Congress and the public,
but they've done this in court proceedings as well. So
the report that came out last week very thin, gruel.
Michael Horror, which should be ashamed of himself for producing
that document. Quite frankly, Donald Trump should fire him over it.
The American people are entitled to know have a full
accounting of all FBI informants, undercover agents, and other assets
(23:09):
involved before on the events of January.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Sixth, Julie Kelly joining us and again the foremost authority
on the subject. As she mentioned, she's been reporting on
this for four years, going back to the date itself,
January sixth, twenty twenty one. What I want to get
to and we've heard President Trump say he might pardon
the J six ers or a vast majority of them
within the first nine minutes was the direct quote of
when he's sworn in on January twenty of twenty twenty five.
(23:34):
But Julie, just to kind of compare and contrast, we
talk about the twenty six people that were there that
day that were human informants for the FBI, three of
whom per the report at least went into the Capitol
restricted areas of the building itself.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mentioned Ray Apps not being charged.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Do you have a number or rough estimate of how
many J sixers are currently in custody facing charges and
on what kind of broad spectrum of charges are they
being offered up on?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Well, Ryan, believe it or not, there were new arrests
announced today. I am in Washington, d C. I just
left the DC Federal Courthouse where I was covering the
trial of a woman from Colorado who went inside the
building for nine minutes. She committed no violence. She's charged
with four misdemeanors. She is surrounded by police while she's
(24:27):
inside the lobby of the Senate side of the building,
nonetheless facing four misdemeanor charges. There were eight government lawyers
in the courtroom today. The case is being the trial
is being presided over by the chief Judge of the
Washington Circuit and jury selection. Get this jury selection in
a city that just voted ninety three percent for Kamala
(24:51):
Harris took an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
This is a.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Sort of rigged legal and judicial process. J six are
still encountering in Washington, D C. As the total case
load creeps towards one thousand, six hundred total defendants.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Wow, one thousand, six hundred total defendants from January sixth,
Julie Kelly, our guest, whither ray Epps? Julie, I want
to get your thoughts in perspective on this man who
was caught on video more than once, several times saying
we need to go into the Capitol building. And while
virtually every other January sixer was vilified by the press
(25:30):
and by the jan six subcommittee, proper Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger,
and others. Ray Apps did not testify in prime time.
He testified in a skiff off of camera, and there
were defenses offered up four ray Apps, by Kinsinger, by Cheney,
by Pelosi, by the left. Why were they so hard
on all the other J sixers but so supportive of
(25:50):
ray Apps?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Yeah, Ryan, that still is such a mystery. Of course,
it's not if you continue to suspect, as many do
and I do as well, that he was there in
some sort of capacity on behalf of the government. Now
he is said under oath he was not there as
an asset of the FBI. Okay, fine, there are a
dozen other government entities and agencies that he could have
(26:13):
been deployed there as representing. So and of course he's
a foreigner military guy, and you know that there were
many military assets there. So was he there on behalf
of one of those agencies? I'm sure we'll find out.
But what was fascinating is the same people who consider
anyone who walked inside of building for a few minutes
(26:34):
an insurrectionist, a domestic terrorist, a trader. Suddenly there was
all this sympathy for ray Apps, right, I mean, Adam Kinzinger,
Liz Cheney. You know, even in core proceedings, the judge Feltzart,
the same judge throwing people behind bars on parading convictions,
suddenly has empathy for Ray Apps who did plead guilty
(26:55):
to one low level disorderly conduct. He got probation, didn't
spend one hour behind the bars. So yes, he's just
one of many suspicious figures tied to the message.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Julie Kelly joining us.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
She is Julie Underscore Kelly two the number two on
X where you can follow her reporting and it is
top of the line.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
One other thing I want to ask you about here.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Christopher Ray got himself embroiled in an intellectual contest with
his vast superior representative, Thomas Massey, who has two degrees
from MIT and Massey has been targeting in Julie on
this issue of a bomb being planted outside the DNC
where the Vice President elect, Senator Kamala Harris at the
time was reported to be stationed. And yet we knew
(27:38):
nothing about this. We found out nothing about this after
the fact. Here is the initial form of that questioning
Massey for Ray of several months ago.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
Can you tell us how the second pipe bomb was
found at the DNC.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Again, I'm not going to get into that here.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
Nine hundred days ago is when this happened, and you
said you had total confidence we'd apprehend the subject. We've
found on video that looks like somebody a passer by
miraculously found this pipe bomb at the DNC and then
notified the police. Miraculously, I say, because it was specifically
the same the precise time to cause the maximum distraction
(28:15):
from the events going on at the Capitol mass He continues,
can you show this video that we have police I'd
like to know if the director.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Has seen this.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
This is somebody with a mask on, wearing a hat.
Speaker 9 (28:27):
They're walking in front of the DNC, which is out
of the view on the right hand side.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
You'll see him come into view.
Speaker 9 (28:33):
He goes to one police car, he goes to another
police car. He's holding him backpack, he's got a mask on.
He's talking to the police and within a minute they
start scrambling.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
You'll see the camera turn to.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
The pipe bomb, the location of the pipe bomb, by
the way, that's I believe the Metro police are now
getting out of the car, and that's Vice President Elect's
detail in the black suv I believe parked about thirty
feet from the pipe bomb, eating lunch. Now we go
over to the location of the pipe bomb. The cameras
are scrambling. It appears to me that that's not a
(29:07):
coincidence that the person with the backpack who walked by
that bench and then went up to the police and
the detail.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Didn't do that accidentally.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
They had a purpose in mind, and then what transpired
after that was the result of information that person gave
to them.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
So Ray's sweating and mass He's not done.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
If that person found the pipe bomb, would they be
a suspect?
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Well, again, I don't want to speculate about specific individuals.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
I will tell you that we have done.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Thousands of interviews, reviewed something like forty thousand video files,
of which this is one says five hundred something tips.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Have you interviewed you at the crisis.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
We have conducted all logical investigative steps and interviewed all
logical individuals.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Then you need it's nine.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
You need to tell us what you've because we're finding
stuff you haven't released into the public.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Nine hundred days later, Julie and Ray continues to obfuscate.
You notice he uses the rhetorical device of broadening. Well,
we did all these other interviews, but he wouldn't answer
the question about that one. A very important detail about
what was caught on that video? What can you tell
us right?
Speaker 8 (30:18):
Well, I mean this is alongside with how many government
assets were there on January sixth, is where's the pipe bomber?
And not only is Chris Ray evasive about the investigation
to the extent that there was one. Benny Thompson also
admitted the chairman of the January sixth Select Committee admitted
(30:39):
to Congresson Matthew as well that they didn't investigate the
pipeop Now, how is this possible, especially in light of
the fact that, yeah, Kamala Harris not only the incoming
vice president, a Citty US senator at the time, who
should have been at the Capitol also involved in the
certification process this date and explicably leaves the Capitol at
(31:00):
eleven twenty am goes to DNC headquarters, where she remained
until she was evacuated at one seventeen, about ten minutes
after this alleged pipe bomb was discovered. She's never answered
any questions about it. She's never been asked any questions
about this near death experience by the mag Obamber on
(31:20):
January sixth, So that's why Chris Ray is covering this
up as well. Then we found out that another FBI
official misled Congress last year when he said that they
had obtained all the data from seven cell phone providers,
one of whom had to belong to the Pipe Bomber.
But g one of the files was corrupted and as
(31:41):
this official said, knowing our luck, it was that of
the pipe bomber. Well, no, that's not true. The cell
phone companies all just came back to Representative Very louder Milk,
who's conducting a separate investigation into the j sixth Committee,
and said, all of our files are intact and if
you want a subpoena US again for them, we'll turn
them over.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Thirty five days is until President Trump has sworn in
once again as our forty seventh President of the United States.
Hopefully he will pardon a vast majority of the Jay sixers.
On that day, she'll be there to report about it.
We hope to have those conversations with her between now
and then and thereafter follow her on exit. Julie underscore
Kelly the number two. Julie fascinating insights. We are so
(32:20):
thankful for you joining us, and I hope you can
do it again soon.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Absolutely, thanks for having me out on. We'll talk soon,
all right.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Julie Kelly right there, your thoughts and reaction five seven
seven thirty nine, as we round out today's Monday edition
of Ryan Schuling Live.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
After this, I'm going to Graceland in Memphis, Tennis cee.
Oh yeah, Paul Simon. Ever been to Graceland? Jesse? No,
he said, Kelly. Have you been to grace Land?
Speaker 6 (32:47):
I have twice?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Did you go when? Had John Stamos narrating the tour?
Speaker 9 (32:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay? Do you find John Stamos attractive?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Isn't he the one in Full House? He's Uncle Jesse
from Full House? Certainly is okay? They all of his impersonations.
Isn't he one of us?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Oh? I don't know about that. I don't know that
he's not. But I don't know about that, Okay, I
mean it'd be great if he was, right.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think he might be. I mean he's good looking,
so automatically I assume yes. Because is he married to
like Rebecca Romayne? Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I think they are they still together. I don't know.
I don't keep up on the gossip.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
No, he's with our she's with the guy from stand
By Me.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The movie. Yeah, oh wow, I didn't know that was
his name, Jerry something. Look that up and tell me
Cherry O'Connell. Jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
That's who he's married.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
She's married to you right now? Okay, as a lady.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Is that an upgrade or a downgrade from John Stamos
to Jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (33:55):
It depends on what.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Way better looking am. I doesn't matter how you look,
it matters what you do. Come on, Yeah, Stamos is
a gorgeous man. I can say it without fear. Kay,
all right, is he not go? Go for it? Sure?
All right, let's speak. Not my type. But now I'm
just happy I passed.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
You passed driving exam, Kelly, despite being mostly blind.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I made I hold on it was not a driving exam.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Well renewing my license and I had to take a
full eye test and I passed.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Congratulations, Thanks good Jim, Alexa text in five seven seven
three and I love Julie Kelly.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Beyond wrong that this information is not being shared on
every media outlet. Well, I agree. That's why we had
Julian and hopefully we'll have around again soon and often.
And Stephen Littleton says Trump needs to take a figurative
chainsaw to the FBI.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I liked it when Javier Mela brought in the actual
chainsaw to cut budget and now they're running surpluses in Argentina.
Wouldn't mind the theater if Trump did it too. And yeah,
FBI's got to be gutted, and I mean down to
the core. We'll see what happens on January twentieth, and
hopefully Cash Pttel has sworn in as director.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Back with You
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Tomorrow another edition Ryan Shirley Live right here on six
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