Ryan agrees with Charlamagne Tha God on the ridiculous notion of pre-emptive pardons by President Biden for members of the sham January 6 committee, which was stacked with Democrats and fugazi Republicans (Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger) chosen by Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Jon Caldara, President of the Independence Institute, joins Ryan to discuss Monday's upcoming vote by the Denver City Council on a proposed ban against flavored tobacco and nicotine products.
Jon Caldara, President of the Independence Institute, joins Ryan to discuss Monday's upcoming vote by the Denver City Council on a proposed ban against flavored tobacco and nicotine products.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, what a day. What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Thursday, December twelfth with Jesse Thomas Ryan Schuling
live with you. Kela Cher is floating around here somewhere
like a butterfly, but seeing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Like a bee.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I believe she will follow the Muhammad Ali template and
your tax five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Get to a couple more of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Those as they come in here in the first segment
of our number two coming up, John Caldera bottom of
the Our Independence Institute. The Denver City Council will be
voting on whether or not to ban flavored tobacco and
nicotine products like jewel et cetera. A lot of people
use these as smoking cessation devices that gets them off
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of smoking. Kind of works on that bridge or the
nicotine addiction, hopefully to not using it anymore. But a
lot of people who are in favor of these bands
say that the flavors target or invite a use by children. Now, Jesse,
you don't want to put you on the spot. Have
you used in these products past present?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, it's been a lifelong battle of mine. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm on Zen's now though, And I don't think this
applies to Zen's because I don't think Zen's technically has
any tobacco in it, but I'll have.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
To look into that. How do you feel about a
potential ban? You know, I think it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I mean it's supposed to be a bridge and help
people quit smoking, right, and why would you That's a
good thing in my opinion in that direction, But just
to be Devil's advocate, they are trying to prevent kids
from starting going in the other direction, like I'm going
to use these really neat bubblegum flavored vapes and then
maybe end up smoking.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, the vaping thing I never caught on too. And
at the same time, if people are doing their jobs
and carting people that are you've got to.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Be eighteen right still, that's right? Yeah, so that's that
should be the end of it. John kelderre agrees with you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know, once people are eighteen, let them do whatever
they want.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We're all adults there, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
John is adult, at least he pretends to be one,
although at times I think he challenges his young son, Chance,
who's a wonderful young man. They're like frat brows together,
he describes. I always love his chance stories, But I
don't know. A little blue Tarski, a little blueto action there,
it could get John kind of the Fountain of Youth
effect maybe, But he has been fighting along with Independence
(02:20):
Institute against these bands. We'll talk more about that with
him coming up in their Bottom of the Hour segment
number two. Continuing now, like I said, Julie Kelly and
you can follow her on AX, I strongly recommend that
you do. At Julie underscore Kelly number two. So Julie
underscore Kelly two. And she is citing this Inspector General's
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claim on behalf of the Department of Justice that twenty
six FBI informants were in DC on January sixth, that's
finally been accounted for, She says, guaranteed this is not
accurate in parentheses. At least seventeen committed offenses for which
other j sixers have been federally charged, but no chs,
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confidential human.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Sources have been charged. Why not the oath keepers, three percenters,
proud boys. Remember Donald Trump was asked about these fringe
groups in the debate.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think it was moderated by Chris Wallace, who was
obviously in the tank for Joe Biden. I was so
disappointed because while I knew that Chris Wallace was always
left leaning, he totally outed himself in that debate as
an absolute hack. And perhaps I should have known that beforehand,
but I at least thought he took his journalistic integrity
seriously and as Donald Trump wild.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Saying, you're not your dad, he's no ing here as
good as Mike. Okay, Mike was tough, but he was fair.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And in that debate, you'll recall that Chris Wallace confronted
Donald Trump about those groups and I had never really
heard of those groups, complete disclosure.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know who they are. They're not people I
associate with. Do they exist? Sure?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But there was no confronting Joe Biden of that time
about all of the Summer of Love and Portlandia and
Seattle and Minneapolis on Fire and Chas and shop. None
of that was brought up in that debate, absolute horse blank.
And yet now we find out that while Christopher Ray,
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as we highlighted in hour number one, if you want
to go back to that portion of the podcast, carefully
measuring and parsing through his words, but you know, we
didn't orchestrate this FBI agents in uniform or even undercover.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But did they have a hand in it?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Were there people on the FBI payroll, the FBI dime
or dole that had any kind of role presence during
the January sixth riot at the Capitol and we were
never told that today.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let's go to some more texts here. Why at this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Point would anyone believe anything this administration? Says Steven Lyttleton,
retired LAO law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't believe anything wholesale, at face value that anybody
from the Biden administration would tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And that's sad to me, it is, but it's true.
Why would we There's been so many lies, so.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Many cover ups, so many distortions, so much minimizing Mike,
and Henderson says, I've never seen an SUV sized drone
at the local hobby store. It should be easy to
find out where these drones came from.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And Mike, they're.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Contending that it might not even be drones that we're
talking about. If you missed it, Let's go back to
John Kirby's statement that these are actually unmanned aircraft flying
legally in American airspace using.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Very sophisticated electronic detection technologies provided by federal authorities. We
have not been able to either of state or local
law enforcement of authorities corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears
that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft
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that are being operated lawfully. The United States Coast Guard
is providing support to the state of New Jersey and
has confirmed that there is no evidence of any foreign
based involvement from coastal vessels.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And importantly, there are no.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Reported or confirmed drone sightings in any restricted airspace.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As we asked, along with Kelly and aerwe where are
the flight logs? Where are the manifests? There has to
be some documentation.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
If a flying legally, the FAA would be aware of it,
they would have cleared it because we don't want them
crashing into jet airliners like seven forty sevens.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We're not getting enough answers here, and I think that
goes without saying. Speaking of answers, not going to get
any of these Biden pardons I mentioned before the break,
But Charlemagne, the god, who I think is it on
a broker, and for the most part, he's a leftist.
He voted for Kamala, but he's honest about why Kamala
Democrats lost. And he's not a big fan of preemptive
pardons if they're even constitutional, if they're even legal. I mean,
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how or why would you pardon somebody who had not
been charged or convicted of a crime.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I don't think President Biden should do preemptive pardons.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
These makes people look guilty.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
If you ask me, Biden should be partnering all the
non violent drug offenders in federal prison. He should be
partnering everybody in federal prison for nonviolent weed convictions. Okay,
he should be partnering Maryland Moseby. Those are the pardons
he should be working on. Before you get his old
assub out of here.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Think the preemptive like you know this people that Trump
are going to be attacking, right you notice people that
that that when it's Trump, that that that try to
get him locked up. You know he's gonna go with them.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yeah, but why would I be partnering you if you
don't have any crimes connected to you?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Doesn't that make you look guilty? If I give you
a preemptive pardon.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
No, it means that we know who Trump is and
we know what Trump's gobb be going.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
That means I could mean Trump knows something that we
don't know, and that's why he's going after these people.
I just Undertand why would gibody a preemptive pardon? Like
it just feels like you're saying, Okay, I know this
person is guilty of something, and Trump may go after him.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Because he said for the last couple of years he's
going to be going at them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, but I can't just go at you for no reason.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
True.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean, I did just see him scrange to do
preemptive pardons all. But what do I know?
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I say, I try to stay out of white people.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Vine right now, Wait a minute, has Trump said that.
Has he said I'm going to go after my enemies.
I'm going to prosecute those who prosecuted me. I don't
know that he has said that, not even remotely, But
he's asked constantly, will you be seeking retribution?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Mister president?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He has said time and again, my retribution will be success.
That will be my revenge success.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Kelly, Am I wrong here? Has he like threatened or
promised to go after Liz Cheney or.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
These others, not himself.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
The only thing that I can say is, during that
Kristen Welker interview, he did say I have appointed people
who will probably look into some things, but that's why
I appointed them. I am personally, I'm not going to
get involved.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Down They're on their own. In other words, yes, no,
I totally believe and buy that. But Senator Adam Schiff,
he's now your senator. I'm going to say this to Kelly.
You're from California and Adam Schiff is the senator of
your home state.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
How does it make you feel, Adam Schiff? That guy
a senator?
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Any one hand?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Over Steve Garvey, my dad's old pick up basketball buddy
at Michigan State.
Speaker 10 (09:26):
Now, the good news is that most of my family
voted for Steve Garvey.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well that's good, that's a plus.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Of course, Garvey is a legendary dodger in Padre the
nineteen seventies and eighties.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
That's part of my childhood.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, big part.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
But there's nothing I can say about California at this point.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
I mean, they just need.
Speaker 10 (09:47):
To break off and float away into Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Whoa from the Californian, She says, but listen to the
complete lack of self awareness, complete ignorance of any kind
of hypocrisy coming out of the mouths of people that
might be offered preemptive pardons that Charlemagne's talking about. Shift
has come out publicly. It's not I want one for
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the very reason that Charlemagne said it makes.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Me look guilty, even though he is. Now he's gonna
say he's not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But you're not going to accept the preemptive pardon if
you think you did nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (10:24):
I don't think the incoming president should be threatening his
political opponents with jail time. That's not the kind of
talk we should hear from the president in a democracy.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Wasn't President Trump just prosecuted, persecuted, threatened with jail time?
While Joe Biden, the President of the United States, stood
idly by as his Department of Justice was weaponized through
his Attorney General Merrit Garland and Garland's special appointee, Special
Prosecutor Jack Smith, and colluded with the likes of Fannie Willis,
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Letitia James, and Alvin Brand.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Didn't that just happen? Or Kelly did was I in
a coma for the last three.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Years, You were not in a covie wide awake, all.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right, so we know that. So but Dadam Schiff says,
you know, turn about not fair play. Not fair play.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Nor do I.
Speaker 11 (11:14):
Think that a pardon is necessary for the members of
the January sixth Committee. We're proud of the work we
did on that committee. It was a fundamental oversight obligation
to investigate the first attempt to interfere with the peaceful
transfer of power in our history. Not sure many of
you were here in this building during that violent attack,
And we're proud of the work we did to expose
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what went into that once in history effort to interfere
with the transition of power.
Speaker 12 (11:41):
He did a great job, and that'll stand for itself.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Hell yeah, Senator Chuck Schumer getting his two cents, He
did a great job. It'll stand for itself. Did they
do a great job with the January sixth Committee?
Speaker 10 (11:50):
There, Kelly, Oh, I really enjoyed the production aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It was made for TV specially.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
Yeah, it was exactly you know it.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
It had lots of lights and some video looked like
a show that I used to produce back in.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
The day Cassidy Hutchinson ever her, Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
She's the one that contended that Donald Trump from the
back of the beast, lunged forward correct grab the steering
wheel from a Secret Service agent, says, take me back.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
I'm going to the Capitol and conspired with our wonderful list, right.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They colluded on communications. Here's what you're going to say before,
Here's what I'm going to ask you, and here's what
you're going to say, and here's what you're going to
testify to. You know, these are people are all running scared.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I don't know if they ever anticipated that Donald Trump
would win and become president again, despite all of their
worst efforts to submarine him, to serve up subterfuge, to
throw legal obstacles in front of him, to bankrupt him,
to convict him, to imprison him, to assassinate him, not
saying they had a direct hand in that, but that happened.
(12:58):
We think about time Mage just named Donald Trump Person
of the Year. I think that's a no brainer, a
layup honorable mention, I would say to Elon Musk. But
the four iconic images from this election, and there are
these are just four of many Kelly.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The optics of this election for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The mugshot, the fist in the air fight, fight fight
after a bullet grazed his ear and there was blood
coming down his face in the American flag in the background,
and the Secret Service agents flanking him. Iconic image that
that was him waving out the drive through window of McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I've now worked here longer than Kamala Harris ever did.
Would you like fries with that? I made them myself.
And of course the garbage truck. You like my garbage truck?
You want to go for a ride, it's right here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Has there been a better run campaign from a messaging
and optics standpoint in recent history?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't think there has been, Kelly.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
No, not at all.
Speaker 10 (13:52):
And what you just said endeared people to him, even
on the other side and independence. So you know, we
could have won this election just by Republicans showing up.
We needed to have some crossover there and those iconic
images helped out.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
RFK Junior joining forces with Trump was enormous. Elon Musk
declaring his support for Donald Trump after the assassination attempt, enormous.
Joe Rogan, albeit late Donald Trump appeared on that podcast
sat there for three hours, and I think a lot
of people calculated in their heads. Look, Donald Trump just
had a tremendously informative and insightful and interesting back and
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forth at Joe Rogan for three hours. There's no way
Kamala Harris could have gone, I don't think for thirty minutes.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Well, and that's not the only podcast he went on.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
He really differentiated fivon the media that he went on.
And I think it's a great idea that the White
House Press Corps freaking out because they're kind of being
traditionally pushed out to make way for some of these
independent people like the might Tie best of the world
and those kind of green wall yes, and those people
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are going to get a chance to have and ask
some questions. And I think that's a huge step forward.
And you know, just he kind of set a new
pathway for others to fall in his place. And if
it's Ron DeSantis or if it's JD. Vance, they got
to do the same thing. They can't just rely on
traditional media or those types of the game has changed.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The landscape has shifted, and Donald Trump adapted to it.
This guy at age seventy eight, with the help of
his very young son, Baron, who I think was very
familiar with the places that young people go to get
their information and entertainment.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And it was brilliant. It was brilliantly executed.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And Caroline Lovett has confirmed what you just said that
they're going to rethink how they set up the White
House Press conference room and who has access, who gets
to sit up front, and I'm looking forward to those changes.
We heard from Senator Adam Schiff about the jan sixth
Committee and whether or not people like Pam Bondi as
Attorney General or people like Cash Patel as FBI director
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are going to kind of look under the hood or
under the rocks, should I say, about what was going
on with this January sixth Committee investigation. The texts that
were deleted, the evidence that was subverted, the exculpatory evidence
that was excluded by Liz Cheney and others. This was
a sham. This was a made for TV show and sham.
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Nancy Pelosi got to pick Republicans for the committee and
Kensinger and Chaney, you've never seen anything.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like that, a stack deck. It was not legitimate. Here's
Penny Thompson.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
Former to be President Trump is absolutely wrong. There's nothing
we did as a January sixth Select committee.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The valis stallon.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
Just because you disagree with the work of the committee.
There's no way to threaten those members of the committee
with jail. So obviously that's his opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So here again, a politically motivated and mobilized group of
Trump haters got to form a committee to target him,
specifically with the intent of undermining any potential run for
president that Trump might make a third time. And they
disagreed with them, and that's why they did it. But
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heaven forbid, if Donald Trump were to turn the tables.
Speaker 12 (17:20):
As to well or not President Biden does anything with
respect to that, it's his decision. I'm comfortable with the
fact that as members of Congress, we were doing our job,
and as long as we do our job, that a
certain guarantees that we have and I look forward to
enforcing those guarantees.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Go back and watch Representative Thomas Massey confront Benny Thompson
about the January sixth committee and about the so called
bomb that was found outside the DNC where Kamala Harris
was residing. There were police officers outside, there was an
informant who found the bomb. I say that in quotes
who notified the police. We never found out who that
person was. We don't have any record of the text
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messages that were exchanged during that time when that bomb
was discovered. And watch Benny Thompson sweat and stutter in
response to Thomas Massey calling him out. Here's more from
Benny Thompson, Democrat, Mississippi.
Speaker 12 (18:16):
I think people and positions of responsibility they took, carry
out those responsibilities, act on.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Too, dispatch it.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
I don't think you have to go against individuals because
you disliked them, or they take positions you disagree with.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's exactly why they went after Trump, because they disliked
him and he took positions they disagreed with. And the
whole January sixth fiasco was revealed for what it was
with the IG report today, in which we were confirmed
that there were FBI assets in the Crown thatticipated in
the storming of the Capitol. A timeout John Caldera next
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on Ryan Schuleing Live. That's right, there might not be
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anymore smoking in the boys room or anywhere else in Denver.
And when it comes to flavored nicotine products and the
Independence Institute recently conducted a poll within the last week,
well what are the top issues worrying Denverites? And the
survey says, according to this press release, not flavored nicotine.
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Independent Institute conducting this poll on December the sixth and
seven of voters and the seventh voters in Denver, the
city and the county, asking about their top concerns in
light of the city Council's proposed ban on flavored nicotine
and tobacco products. The poll asked four hundred and fifty
nine respondents the name their top issue affecting Denver. It's
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out of twelve potential issues, and not one, not one
out of four hundred and fifty nine identified flavored nicotine
and tobacco products as a top concern. And that was
across all racial and economic groups. Flavored nicotine ranked as
the least important issue in Denver, and yet somehow it's
at the top of the docket for Denver City Council
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and they're going to vote on this come Monday. John
Caldera joins us now president of the Independence Institute. John,
welcome to it.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Welcome, thank you. I'm having any nice cigar here.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
They're going to ban that too. Yeah, No, no, they're
not all right, pardon pardon me for.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Asking a simple question of consistency here. But so they
want to ban flavored nicotine products. Ye in a city
that prides itself on flavored cannabis products, gummies and cookies
and all this other great flavored vape stuff, they're going
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to they're gonna not touch that. But for people who
want to stop smoking and want to have something to
step down and still get their nicotine, they're gonna get
rid of that. And furthermore, this is the cherry on top.
This is the state that went overboard to try to
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get the manufacturers of Zen, which nick flavored, to manufacture
in Colorado. So the governor's there when they, you know,
cut the ribbon on whatever new place they're going to
be building, and the product they create in Colorado won't
be sold in Denver. I'm sorry, I'm missing some sort
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of consistency gene here.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy, and that all surrounds money.
I mean, when we get to the root cause of
a lot of this. John, but I was talking about
this earlier with Jesse Thomas, my producer, about like you said,
it's a smoking cessation step for a lot of people
that are using these nicotine products to stop smoking cigarettes.
But I'm going to play devil's advocate here for the
Denver City Council. Won't somebody please think of the children
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and going the opposite direction that these flavored vapes, bubblegum,
et cetera, they might be gateways to smoking cigarettes, and.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Flavored pot gummies are not a gateway for kids.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You know, I'm here, excuse me.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
A little consistency here would be spectacular. Oh and by
the way, you still have to be a certain age
to buy any of these products. So I was curious
just how big of a problem is flavored nicotine products, because,
as you know, in the state of the world, in
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the state of Colorado, there is no more pressing issue
than getting flavored nicotine products out of the hands of
people who are trying to stop smoking.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So we put together a pole and we surveyed.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The company we hired surveyed four hundred and fifty nine
people and offered the twelve top issues going on in Denver?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What bothers people the most? What are you most worried about?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Amazingly, not only did nicotine products not make it to
the top three, percent or the top three.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Nobody. Nobody had it as an issue at all, zero
point zero.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So overall, the cost of housing is a big, huge
issue for Denver rights. Immigration is a big, huge issue
for Denver rights. The city budget is a huge issue.
Will would be enough money? These are issues that are
on people's heads, So of course, what will city council do.
They're going to come up with an issue nobody thinks
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is an issue and take away people's ability.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
To stop smoking. It's pure genius.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
What's great about this is that the city council works
on such a high level of intellect that you and I,
simpletons cannot figure out why this is an issue, why
they want people to keep smoking, and why they want
to get rid of about thirteen million dollars in tax
revenue that comes out of this product.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So it's great that they know they know something we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now that's beyond our realm of understanding. John Caldera is
in mine. He's the president of the Independence Institute. I
find it interesting, actually fascinating that in this poll, John,
that you cite affordable housing, public safety taxes, city spending,
illegal immigration all might be tied to that fourth issue
as illegals have flooded Denver, driving up prices, driving down
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available housing, increasing scarcity of housing, public safety, There are
concerns about that money taxes being spent rather than on
parks and rec reallocated for illegal story hearing, and thank
Mayor Mike Johnston for that. So all of these are
forming a mosaic of what Denver rights are really concerned about.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And yet but they're as you know, they're all interlinked
specifically with flavored nicotine bucs that if we got rid
of those flavored nicotine products, migrants would not be streaming
across the border, taxing our systems, we wouldn't have the
crime rate, housing prices would collapse. And so the brilliance
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of Denver City Council is that they know the underpinning
of all those top issues is that people who are
trying to stop smoking might use these products, and if
we could prevent them and they'll continue to smoke, then
all these other issues you just mentioned melt away.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So John, why is it then that city council has
prioritized this Where does this come from? On the radar
of consciousness where it's become such a pressing issue they're
going to vote about.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It on Monday. It's because they know how you should live.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So Golden has done this as well, and this is
going to surprise you. So what happened in Golden is
that they stopped selling these flavored nicotine products and their
citizens went next door to the next town over to
buy them. So my suspicion is that Aurora is really
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behind this whole move to make it happen so that
they can get all that wonderful tax revenue and business
growth when Denver stops providing this help to people who
want to stop smoking.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Now, John, you've raised awareness both through this polling and
through your Independence Institute, which does great work for all
of us here, not only in Denver but throughout the
state of Colorado. Where does the fight against this stand?
Do you have account on where the votes might be
and the Denver City Council to either approve this or
voted down?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
From what I know that only Heaven Flynn gave it
a thumbs down at the what's basically first reading. And
so you've got one councilman and goes, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And the rest instead of fixing your potholes, finding out
who stole your car, maybe do something about affordability of homes.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wants to take away.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Zen, which is one of the products that has a
flavored nicotine product, the same thing that's being going to
be manufactured in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's as if they haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Real work to do at the city and County of Denver,
so they want to make life hard for particularly people
of color who use.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This product to.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Get away from smoking, get away from mental cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You know, they want a flavored product.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Here it is, and it's so much better than smoking
for your health.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I just for the life of me can't understand why
people who claim they care about other people would do this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Follow him on exit, John Caldera, no h in there,
j O N.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And no e in Caldera no c A, L D
A r A and follow their work Independence Institute at
Thinkfreedom dot com. John, Just final question, you know, assuming
and it looks like it's going to happen that the
city council votes this ban in, where does the fight
go from here?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Hopefully it ends and hopefully other municipalities will look at
this and go I don't want to lose that revenue, right,
I don't want my citizens to continue to smoke cigarettes,
so let's give them some alternatives. I hope it stops there,
but nannyism knows no bounds. So let's just keep an
(28:45):
eye on on it, and by all means ask Denversity
Council the question. So I assume you're going to ban
flavored cannabis products as well?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right, and listen for the crickets. There will be many.
He is the president of the Independence so much. Always
a pleasure, love it. John Caldera joining us there, Your thoughts,
your response, especially if you live in Denver or maybe,
like he said, neighboring Aurora. Could this be a blessing
in disguise, a silver lining for Aurora residents and getting
that revenue to come over to them, because you know
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where people are going to go. You know what they're
gonna do. They want these products, can't get them in Denver,
Well I'll go next door to Aurora and buy them there.
Then it just doesn't make any sense, It really doesn't.
John Caldera. Always great talking to him, and always great
talking to you. Some of your texts five seven, seven,
three nine. Wrapping things up. Deborah Flores somewhere around here,
she's filling in for Dan Kaplis. He's back tomorrow, but
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she's in today. Stick and stay. Ryan Shuling Live six
thirty K how.
Speaker 13 (29:46):
Yeah always great tuneage selected by one Jesse Thomas Kelly
could share along sign Ryan Shooling Lie with you five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Closing out today's program with your text is alway at
five seven seven three nine. Brian, I'm a little worried
that there will be another assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
especially after this Luigi assassination of the Healthcare CEO. His
name is Brian Thompson. Keep remembering that name and keeps
saying it. He was a human being, he was a father,
he was a husband, and he was murdered right before
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Christmas in cold blood.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I might add premeditated. I'll also add by a lunatic.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Because according to Pocahontas we call her Pocahontas, he had
it coming and being pushed too far is an excuse
for murder. You know, I love this. I think Michael
Brown says it a lot. You know, you have somebody saying,
you know you shouldn't do X, Y and Z, but
and then just pay attention only to what happens and
occurs after the butt, and here's the exemplary Alexandria A
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Cassio Cortes.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Along those lines, it's.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Really important that we take a step back. This is
not to comment, and this is not to say that
an act of violence is justified, but I think brought
for anyone who is confused or shocked or appalled, they
need to understand that people interpret and feel and experience
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denied claims as an act of violence against them. People
go homeless over the financial devastation of a diagnosis that
doesn't get addressed, or you know, the amount that they're
going to have to cover with a surprise build and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So that's the excuse for murder, or at least a
reason or a justification for killing Brian Thompson on the
streets of New York.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Not buying it, not going there won't justify it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I won't participate in this, and any Democrat who does
deserves to be called out like John Fetterman has done.
Devil Flora joins me live in studio.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Hello Debra.
Speaker 14 (31:55):
That was a lovely transition right here, Ryan, ready to go.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I know you got a lot on tap soul let's
contense it into a preview.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, thank you so much for that opportunity.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Looking forward to sitting in for Dan the next two hours,
going to have John fabricatore. We're talking about how you
have to do your hands like that, Yes, exactly, but
particularly because of the news of the drones over the
New Jersey area, nobody really knowing what they are. I
think it's a great time to have the former ICE
director joining us from weer CD six candidate and we
(32:26):
were down at the border together in twenty twenty three,
so we're going to talk about that and Mayor Mike
Johnston's irresponsible comments about what that will look like when
the deportations begin. And then we're going to have at
five pm Jennifer Say. She is the championship gymnast who
exposed so much what was going on in that area,
stood up against Levi Strauss when she stood up against
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the COVID mandate policies, and she's now partnering with Riley
Gaines on Project Boycott, which is protecting women's sports and
girls' sports and safe spaces.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
So it's going to be a great show.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
I look forward to having everybody tune in and join me.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We look forward to hearing you and they'll be coming
up in mere moments. Jennifer Say is fantastic. You can
check out her brand online. Riley Gaines a spokeswoman for
that as well. X X dash xy athletics dot com.
And looking at Kimberly saying about the jan sixth Committee,
I think at minimum it is abuse of taxpayer money
and resources, Graham. Theft is what they're guilty of, along
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with a lot of deception and burying of exculpatory evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
For Donald Trump, it was a sham.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It needs to be exposed as such, and I am
faithful that both Pam Bondi and Cash Patel will make
sure that we get to the bottom of it. That'll
do it for me from here for now, Stay tuned again.
Deborah Flora filling in for Dan Kaplis next. You've been
listening to Ryan Shuling live right here on six point
thirty k how
Oh, what a day. What a day.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Thursday, December twelfth with Jesse Thomas Ryan Schuling
live with you. Kela Cher is floating around here somewhere
like a butterfly, but seeing.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Like a bee.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I believe she will follow the Muhammad Ali template and
your tax five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Get to a couple more of.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Those as they come in here in the first segment
of our number two coming up, John Caldera bottom of
the Our Independence Institute. The Denver City Council will be
voting on whether or not to ban flavored tobacco and
nicotine products like jewel et cetera. A lot of people
use these as smoking cessation devices that gets them off
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of smoking. Kind of works on that bridge or the
nicotine addiction, hopefully to not using it anymore. But a
lot of people who are in favor of these bands
say that the flavors target or invite a use by children. Now, Jesse,
you don't want to put you on the spot. Have
you used in these products past present?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, it's been a lifelong battle of mine. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm on Zen's now though, And I don't think this
applies to Zen's because I don't think Zen's technically has
any tobacco in it, but I'll have.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
To look into that. How do you feel about a
potential ban? You know, I think it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I mean it's supposed to be a bridge and help
people quit smoking, right, and why would you That's a
good thing in my opinion in that direction, But just
to be Devil's advocate, they are trying to prevent kids
from starting going in the other direction, like I'm going
to use these really neat bubblegum flavored vapes and then
maybe end up smoking.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, the vaping thing I never caught on too. And
at the same time, if people are doing their jobs
and carting people that are you've got to.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Be eighteen right still, that's right? Yeah, so that's that
should be the end of it. John kelderre agrees with you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You know, once people are eighteen, let them do whatever
they want.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We're all adults there, that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
John is adult, at least he pretends to be one,
although at times I think he challenges his young son, Chance,
who's a wonderful young man. They're like frat brows together,
he describes. I always love his chance stories, But I
don't know. A little blue Tarski, a little blueto action there,
it could get John kind of the Fountain of Youth
effect maybe, But he has been fighting along with Independence
(02:20):
Institute against these bands. We'll talk more about that with
him coming up in their Bottom of the Hour segment
number two. Continuing now, like I said, Julie Kelly and
you can follow her on AX, I strongly recommend that
you do. At Julie underscore Kelly number two. So Julie
underscore Kelly two. And she is citing this Inspector General's
(02:44):
claim on behalf of the Department of Justice that twenty
six FBI informants were in DC on January sixth, that's
finally been accounted for, She says, guaranteed this is not
accurate in parentheses. At least seventeen committed offenses for which
other j sixers have been federally charged, but no chs,
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confidential human.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Sources have been charged. Why not the oath keepers, three percenters,
proud boys. Remember Donald Trump was asked about these fringe
groups in the debate.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think it was moderated by Chris Wallace, who was
obviously in the tank for Joe Biden. I was so
disappointed because while I knew that Chris Wallace was always
left leaning, he totally outed himself in that debate as
an absolute hack. And perhaps I should have known that beforehand,
but I at least thought he took his journalistic integrity
seriously and as Donald Trump wild.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Saying, you're not your dad, he's no ing here as
good as Mike. Okay, Mike was tough, but he was fair.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And in that debate, you'll recall that Chris Wallace confronted
Donald Trump about those groups and I had never really
heard of those groups, complete disclosure.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know who they are. They're not people I
associate with. Do they exist? Sure?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But there was no confronting Joe Biden of that time
about all of the Summer of Love and Portlandia and
Seattle and Minneapolis on Fire and Chas and shop. None
of that was brought up in that debate, absolute horse blank.
And yet now we find out that while Christopher Ray,
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as we highlighted in hour number one, if you want
to go back to that portion of the podcast, carefully
measuring and parsing through his words, but you know, we
didn't orchestrate this FBI agents in uniform or even undercover.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But did they have a hand in it?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Were there people on the FBI payroll, the FBI dime
or dole that had any kind of role presence during
the January sixth riot at the Capitol and we were
never told that today.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Let's go to some more texts here. Why at this.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Point would anyone believe anything this administration? Says Steven Lyttleton,
retired LAO law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I don't believe anything wholesale, at face value that anybody
from the Biden administration would tell me.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And that's sad to me, it is, but it's true.
Why would we There's been so many lies, so.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Many cover ups, so many distortions, so much minimizing Mike,
and Henderson says, I've never seen an SUV sized drone
at the local hobby store. It should be easy to
find out where these drones came from.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And Mike, they're.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Contending that it might not even be drones that we're
talking about. If you missed it, Let's go back to
John Kirby's statement that these are actually unmanned aircraft flying
legally in American airspace using.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Very sophisticated electronic detection technologies provided by federal authorities. We
have not been able to either of state or local
law enforcement of authorities corroborate any of the reported visual sightings.
To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears
that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft
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that are being operated lawfully. The United States Coast Guard
is providing support to the state of New Jersey and
has confirmed that there is no evidence of any foreign
based involvement from coastal vessels.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And importantly, there are no.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Reported or confirmed drone sightings in any restricted airspace.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
As we asked, along with Kelly and aerwe where are
the flight logs? Where are the manifests? There has to
be some documentation.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
If a flying legally, the FAA would be aware of it,
they would have cleared it because we don't want them
crashing into jet airliners like seven forty sevens.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We're not getting enough answers here, and I think that
goes without saying. Speaking of answers, not going to get
any of these Biden pardons I mentioned before the break,
But Charlemagne, the god, who I think is it on
a broker, and for the most part, he's a leftist.
He voted for Kamala, but he's honest about why Kamala
Democrats lost. And he's not a big fan of preemptive
pardons if they're even constitutional, if they're even legal. I mean,
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how or why would you pardon somebody who had not
been charged or convicted of a crime.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
I don't think President Biden should do preemptive pardons.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
These makes people look guilty.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
If you ask me, Biden should be partnering all the
non violent drug offenders in federal prison. He should be
partnering everybody in federal prison for nonviolent weed convictions. Okay,
he should be partnering Maryland Moseby. Those are the pardons
he should be working on. Before you get his old
assub out of here.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Think the preemptive like you know this people that Trump
are going to be attacking, right you notice people that
that that when it's Trump, that that that try to
get him locked up. You know he's gonna go with them.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Yeah, but why would I be partnering you if you
don't have any crimes connected to you?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Doesn't that make you look guilty? If I give you
a preemptive pardon.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
No, it means that we know who Trump is and
we know what Trump's gobb be going.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
That means I could mean Trump knows something that we
don't know, and that's why he's going after these people.
I just Undertand why would gibody a preemptive pardon? Like
it just feels like you're saying, Okay, I know this
person is guilty of something, and Trump may go after him.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Because he said for the last couple of years he's
going to be going at them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, but I can't just go at you for no reason.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
True.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean, I did just see him scrange to do
preemptive pardons all. But what do I know?
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I say, I try to stay out of white people.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Vine right now, Wait a minute, has Trump said that.
Has he said I'm going to go after my enemies.
I'm going to prosecute those who prosecuted me. I don't
know that he has said that, not even remotely, But
he's asked constantly, will you be seeking retribution?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Mister president?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He has said time and again, my retribution will be success.
That will be my revenge success.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Kelly, Am I wrong here? Has he like threatened or
promised to go after Liz Cheney or.
Speaker 9 (08:46):
These others, not himself.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
The only thing that I can say is, during that
Kristen Welker interview, he did say I have appointed people
who will probably look into some things, but that's why
I appointed them. I am personally, I'm not going to
get involved.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Down They're on their own. In other words, yes, no,
I totally believe and buy that. But Senator Adam Schiff,
he's now your senator. I'm going to say this to Kelly.
You're from California and Adam Schiff is the senator of
your home state.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
How does it make you feel, Adam Schiff? That guy
a senator?
Speaker 9 (09:20):
Any one hand?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Over Steve Garvey, my dad's old pick up basketball buddy
at Michigan State.
Speaker 10 (09:26):
Now, the good news is that most of my family
voted for Steve Garvey.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well that's good, that's a plus.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Of course, Garvey is a legendary dodger in Padre the
nineteen seventies and eighties.
Speaker 9 (09:38):
That's part of my childhood.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, big part.
Speaker 10 (09:43):
But there's nothing I can say about California at this point.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
I mean, they just need.
Speaker 10 (09:47):
To break off and float away into Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Whoa from the Californian, She says, but listen to the
complete lack of self awareness, complete ignorance of any kind
of hypocrisy coming out of the mouths of people that
might be offered preemptive pardons that Charlemagne's talking about. Shift
has come out publicly. It's not I want one for
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the very reason that Charlemagne said it makes.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Me look guilty, even though he is. Now he's gonna
say he's not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But you're not going to accept the preemptive pardon if
you think you did nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 11 (10:24):
I don't think the incoming president should be threatening his
political opponents with jail time. That's not the kind of
talk we should hear from the president in a democracy.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Wasn't President Trump just prosecuted, persecuted, threatened with jail time?
While Joe Biden, the President of the United States, stood
idly by as his Department of Justice was weaponized through
his Attorney General Merrit Garland and Garland's special appointee, Special
Prosecutor Jack Smith, and colluded with the likes of Fannie Willis,
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Letitia James, and Alvin Brand.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Didn't that just happen? Or Kelly did was I in
a coma for the last three.
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Years, You were not in a covie wide awake, all.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right, so we know that. So but Dadam Schiff says,
you know, turn about not fair play. Not fair play.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Nor do I.
Speaker 11 (11:14):
Think that a pardon is necessary for the members of
the January sixth Committee. We're proud of the work we
did on that committee. It was a fundamental oversight obligation
to investigate the first attempt to interfere with the peaceful
transfer of power in our history. Not sure many of
you were here in this building during that violent attack,
And we're proud of the work we did to expose
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what went into that once in history effort to interfere
with the transition of power.
Speaker 12 (11:41):
He did a great job, and that'll stand for itself.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Hell yeah, Senator Chuck Schumer getting his two cents, He
did a great job. It'll stand for itself. Did they
do a great job with the January sixth Committee?
Speaker 10 (11:50):
There, Kelly, Oh, I really enjoyed the production aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It was made for TV specially.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
Yeah, it was exactly you know it.
Speaker 10 (11:58):
It had lots of lights and some video looked like
a show that I used to produce back in.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
The day Cassidy Hutchinson ever her, Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
She's the one that contended that Donald Trump from the
back of the beast, lunged forward correct grab the steering
wheel from a Secret Service agent, says, take me back.
Speaker 10 (12:18):
I'm going to the Capitol and conspired with our wonderful list, right.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
They colluded on communications. Here's what you're going to say before,
Here's what I'm going to ask you, and here's what
you're going to say, and here's what you're going to
testify to. You know, these are people are all running scared.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I don't know if they ever anticipated that Donald Trump
would win and become president again, despite all of their
worst efforts to submarine him, to serve up subterfuge, to
throw legal obstacles in front of him, to bankrupt him,
to convict him, to imprison him, to assassinate him, not
saying they had a direct hand in that, but that happened.
(12:58):
We think about time Mage just named Donald Trump Person
of the Year. I think that's a no brainer, a
layup honorable mention, I would say to Elon Musk. But
the four iconic images from this election, and there are
these are just four of many Kelly.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
The optics of this election for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
The mugshot, the fist in the air fight, fight fight
after a bullet grazed his ear and there was blood
coming down his face in the American flag in the background,
and the Secret Service agents flanking him. Iconic image that
that was him waving out the drive through window of McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I've now worked here longer than Kamala Harris ever did.
Would you like fries with that? I made them myself.
And of course the garbage truck. You like my garbage truck?
You want to go for a ride, it's right here.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Has there been a better run campaign from a messaging
and optics standpoint in recent history?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I don't think there has been, Kelly.
Speaker 9 (13:51):
No, not at all.
Speaker 10 (13:52):
And what you just said endeared people to him, even
on the other side and independence. So you know, we
could have won this election just by Republicans showing up.
We needed to have some crossover there and those iconic
images helped out.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
RFK Junior joining forces with Trump was enormous. Elon Musk
declaring his support for Donald Trump after the assassination attempt, enormous.
Joe Rogan, albeit late Donald Trump appeared on that podcast
sat there for three hours, and I think a lot
of people calculated in their heads. Look, Donald Trump just
had a tremendously informative and insightful and interesting back and
(14:30):
forth at Joe Rogan for three hours. There's no way
Kamala Harris could have gone, I don't think for thirty minutes.
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Well, and that's not the only podcast he went on.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
He really differentiated fivon the media that he went on.
And I think it's a great idea that the White
House Press Corps freaking out because they're kind of being
traditionally pushed out to make way for some of these
independent people like the might Tie best of the world
and those kind of green wall yes, and those people
(14:58):
are going to get a chance to have and ask
some questions. And I think that's a huge step forward.
And you know, just he kind of set a new
pathway for others to fall in his place. And if
it's Ron DeSantis or if it's JD. Vance, they got
to do the same thing. They can't just rely on
traditional media or those types of the game has changed.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The landscape has shifted, and Donald Trump adapted to it.
This guy at age seventy eight, with the help of
his very young son, Baron, who I think was very
familiar with the places that young people go to get
their information and entertainment.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
And it was brilliant. It was brilliantly executed.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
And Caroline Lovett has confirmed what you just said that
they're going to rethink how they set up the White
House Press conference room and who has access, who gets
to sit up front, and I'm looking forward to those changes.
We heard from Senator Adam Schiff about the jan sixth
Committee and whether or not people like Pam Bondi as
Attorney General or people like Cash Patel as FBI director
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are going to kind of look under the hood or
under the rocks, should I say, about what was going
on with this January sixth Committee investigation. The texts that
were deleted, the evidence that was subverted, the exculpatory evidence
that was excluded by Liz Cheney and others. This was
a sham. This was a made for TV show and sham.
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Nancy Pelosi got to pick Republicans for the committee and
Kensinger and Chaney, you've never seen anything.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like that, a stack deck. It was not legitimate. Here's
Penny Thompson.
Speaker 12 (16:30):
Former to be President Trump is absolutely wrong. There's nothing
we did as a January sixth Select committee.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
The valis stallon.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
Just because you disagree with the work of the committee.
There's no way to threaten those members of the committee
with jail. So obviously that's his opinion.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
So here again, a politically motivated and mobilized group of
Trump haters got to form a committee to target him,
specifically with the intent of undermining any potential run for
president that Trump might make a third time. And they
disagreed with them, and that's why they did it. But
(17:16):
heaven forbid, if Donald Trump were to turn the tables.
Speaker 12 (17:20):
As to well or not President Biden does anything with
respect to that, it's his decision. I'm comfortable with the
fact that as members of Congress, we were doing our job,
and as long as we do our job, that a
certain guarantees that we have and I look forward to
enforcing those guarantees.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Go back and watch Representative Thomas Massey confront Benny Thompson
about the January sixth committee and about the so called
bomb that was found outside the DNC where Kamala Harris
was residing. There were police officers outside, there was an
informant who found the bomb. I say that in quotes
who notified the police. We never found out who that
person was. We don't have any record of the text
(18:02):
messages that were exchanged during that time when that bomb
was discovered. And watch Benny Thompson sweat and stutter in
response to Thomas Massey calling him out. Here's more from
Benny Thompson, Democrat, Mississippi.
Speaker 12 (18:16):
I think people and positions of responsibility they took, carry
out those responsibilities, act on.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Too, dispatch it.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
I don't think you have to go against individuals because
you disliked them, or they take positions you disagree with.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's exactly why they went after Trump, because they disliked
him and he took positions they disagreed with. And the
whole January sixth fiasco was revealed for what it was
with the IG report today, in which we were confirmed
that there were FBI assets in the Crown thatticipated in
the storming of the Capitol. A timeout John Caldera next
(18:55):
on Ryan Schuleing Live. That's right, there might not be
(19:19):
anymore smoking in the boys room or anywhere else in Denver.
And when it comes to flavored nicotine products and the
Independence Institute recently conducted a poll within the last week,
well what are the top issues worrying Denverites? And the
survey says, according to this press release, not flavored nicotine.
(19:40):
Independent Institute conducting this poll on December the sixth and
seven of voters and the seventh voters in Denver, the
city and the county, asking about their top concerns in
light of the city Council's proposed ban on flavored nicotine
and tobacco products. The poll asked four hundred and fifty
nine respondents the name their top issue affecting Denver. It's
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out of twelve potential issues, and not one, not one
out of four hundred and fifty nine identified flavored nicotine
and tobacco products as a top concern. And that was
across all racial and economic groups. Flavored nicotine ranked as
the least important issue in Denver, and yet somehow it's
at the top of the docket for Denver City Council
(20:23):
and they're going to vote on this come Monday. John
Caldera joins us now president of the Independence Institute. John,
welcome to it.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Welcome, thank you. I'm having any nice cigar here.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
They're going to ban that too. Yeah, No, no, they're
not all right, pardon pardon me for.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Asking a simple question of consistency here. But so they
want to ban flavored nicotine products. Ye in a city
that prides itself on flavored cannabis products, gummies and cookies
and all this other great flavored vape stuff, they're going
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to they're gonna not touch that. But for people who
want to stop smoking and want to have something to
step down and still get their nicotine, they're gonna get
rid of that. And furthermore, this is the cherry on top.
This is the state that went overboard to try to
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get the manufacturers of Zen, which nick flavored, to manufacture
in Colorado. So the governor's there when they, you know,
cut the ribbon on whatever new place they're going to
be building, and the product they create in Colorado won't
be sold in Denver. I'm sorry, I'm missing some sort
(21:48):
of consistency gene here.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy, and that all surrounds money.
I mean, when we get to the root cause of
a lot of this. John, but I was talking about
this earlier with Jesse Thomas, my producer, about like you said,
it's a smoking cessation step for a lot of people
that are using these nicotine products to stop smoking cigarettes.
But I'm going to play devil's advocate here for the
Denver City Council. Won't somebody please think of the children
(22:13):
and going the opposite direction that these flavored vapes, bubblegum,
et cetera, they might be gateways to smoking cigarettes, and.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Flavored pot gummies are not a gateway for kids.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You know, I'm here, excuse me.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
A little consistency here would be spectacular. Oh and by
the way, you still have to be a certain age
to buy any of these products. So I was curious
just how big of a problem is flavored nicotine products, because,
as you know, in the state of the world, in
(22:52):
the state of Colorado, there is no more pressing issue
than getting flavored nicotine products out of the hands of
people who are trying to stop smoking.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So we put together a pole and we surveyed.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The company we hired surveyed four hundred and fifty nine
people and offered the twelve top issues going on in Denver?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
What bothers people the most? What are you most worried about?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Amazingly, not only did nicotine products not make it to
the top three, percent or the top three.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Nobody. Nobody had it as an issue at all, zero
point zero.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So overall, the cost of housing is a big, huge
issue for Denver rights. Immigration is a big, huge issue
for Denver rights. The city budget is a huge issue.
Will would be enough money? These are issues that are
on people's heads, So of course, what will city council do.
They're going to come up with an issue nobody thinks
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is an issue and take away people's ability.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
To stop smoking. It's pure genius.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
What's great about this is that the city council works
on such a high level of intellect that you and I,
simpletons cannot figure out why this is an issue, why
they want people to keep smoking, and why they want
to get rid of about thirteen million dollars in tax
revenue that comes out of this product.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So it's great that they know they know something we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now that's beyond our realm of understanding. John Caldera is
in mine. He's the president of the Independence Institute. I
find it interesting, actually fascinating that in this poll, John,
that you cite affordable housing, public safety taxes, city spending,
illegal immigration all might be tied to that fourth issue
as illegals have flooded Denver, driving up prices, driving down
(24:51):
available housing, increasing scarcity of housing, public safety, There are
concerns about that money taxes being spent rather than on
parks and rec reallocated for illegal story hearing, and thank
Mayor Mike Johnston for that. So all of these are
forming a mosaic of what Denver rights are really concerned about.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
And yet but they're as you know, they're all interlinked
specifically with flavored nicotine bucs that if we got rid
of those flavored nicotine products, migrants would not be streaming
across the border, taxing our systems, we wouldn't have the
crime rate, housing prices would collapse. And so the brilliance
(25:31):
of Denver City Council is that they know the underpinning
of all those top issues is that people who are
trying to stop smoking might use these products, and if
we could prevent them and they'll continue to smoke, then
all these other issues you just mentioned melt away.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So John, why is it then that city council has
prioritized this Where does this come from? On the radar
of consciousness where it's become such a pressing issue they're
going to vote about.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It on Monday. It's because they know how you should live.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
So Golden has done this as well, and this is
going to surprise you. So what happened in Golden is
that they stopped selling these flavored nicotine products and their
citizens went next door to the next town over to
buy them. So my suspicion is that Aurora is really
(26:28):
behind this whole move to make it happen so that
they can get all that wonderful tax revenue and business
growth when Denver stops providing this help to people who
want to stop smoking.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Now, John, you've raised awareness both through this polling and
through your Independence Institute, which does great work for all
of us here, not only in Denver but throughout the
state of Colorado. Where does the fight against this stand?
Do you have account on where the votes might be
and the Denver City Council to either approve this or
voted down?
Speaker 4 (26:57):
From what I know that only Heaven Flynn gave it
a thumbs down at the what's basically first reading. And
so you've got one councilman and goes, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And the rest instead of fixing your potholes, finding out
who stole your car, maybe do something about affordability of homes.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wants to take away.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Zen, which is one of the products that has a
flavored nicotine product, the same thing that's being going to
be manufactured in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's as if they haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Real work to do at the city and County of Denver,
so they want to make life hard for particularly people
of color who use.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
This product to.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Get away from smoking, get away from mental cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You know, they want a flavored product.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Here it is, and it's so much better than smoking
for your health.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
I just for the life of me can't understand why
people who claim they care about other people would do this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Follow him on exit, John Caldera, no h in there,
j O N.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And no e in Caldera no c A, L D
A r A and follow their work Independence Institute at
Thinkfreedom dot com. John, Just final question, you know, assuming
and it looks like it's going to happen that the
city council votes this ban in, where does the fight
go from here?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Hopefully it ends and hopefully other municipalities will look at
this and go I don't want to lose that revenue, right,
I don't want my citizens to continue to smoke cigarettes,
so let's give them some alternatives. I hope it stops there,
but nannyism knows no bounds. So let's just keep an
(28:45):
eye on on it, and by all means ask Denversity
Council the question. So I assume you're going to ban
flavored cannabis products as well?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right, and listen for the crickets. There will be many.
He is the president of the Independence so much. Always
a pleasure, love it. John Caldera joining us there, Your thoughts,
your response, especially if you live in Denver or maybe,
like he said, neighboring Aurora. Could this be a blessing
in disguise, a silver lining for Aurora residents and getting
that revenue to come over to them, because you know
(29:16):
where people are going to go. You know what they're
gonna do. They want these products, can't get them in Denver,
Well I'll go next door to Aurora and buy them there.
Then it just doesn't make any sense, It really doesn't.
John Caldera. Always great talking to him, and always great
talking to you. Some of your texts five seven, seven,
three nine. Wrapping things up. Deborah Flores somewhere around here,
she's filling in for Dan Kaplis. He's back tomorrow, but
(29:36):
she's in today. Stick and stay. Ryan Shuling Live six
thirty K how.
Speaker 13 (29:46):
Yeah always great tuneage selected by one Jesse Thomas Kelly
could share along sign Ryan Shooling Lie with you five
seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Closing out today's program with your text is alway at
five seven seven three nine. Brian, I'm a little worried
that there will be another assassination attempt on Donald Trump,
especially after this Luigi assassination of the Healthcare CEO. His
name is Brian Thompson. Keep remembering that name and keeps
saying it. He was a human being, he was a father,
he was a husband, and he was murdered right before
(30:18):
Christmas in cold blood.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I might add premeditated. I'll also add by a lunatic.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Because according to Pocahontas we call her Pocahontas, he had
it coming and being pushed too far is an excuse
for murder. You know, I love this. I think Michael
Brown says it a lot. You know, you have somebody saying,
you know you shouldn't do X, Y and Z, but
and then just pay attention only to what happens and
occurs after the butt, and here's the exemplary Alexandria A
(30:52):
Cassio Cortes.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Along those lines, it's.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Really important that we take a step back. This is
not to comment, and this is not to say that
an act of violence is justified, but I think brought
for anyone who is confused or shocked or appalled, they
need to understand that people interpret and feel and experience
(31:17):
denied claims as an act of violence against them. People
go homeless over the financial devastation of a diagnosis that
doesn't get addressed, or you know, the amount that they're
going to have to cover with a surprise build and
things like that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So that's the excuse for murder, or at least a
reason or a justification for killing Brian Thompson on the
streets of New York.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Not buying it, not going there won't justify it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I won't participate in this, and any Democrat who does
deserves to be called out like John Fetterman has done.
Devil Flora joins me live in studio.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Hello Debra.
Speaker 14 (31:55):
That was a lovely transition right here, Ryan, ready to go.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I know you got a lot on tap soul let's
contense it into a preview.
Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, thank you so much for that opportunity.
Speaker 14 (32:04):
Looking forward to sitting in for Dan the next two hours,
going to have John fabricatore. We're talking about how you
have to do your hands like that, Yes, exactly, but
particularly because of the news of the drones over the
New Jersey area, nobody really knowing what they are. I
think it's a great time to have the former ICE
director joining us from weer CD six candidate and we
(32:26):
were down at the border together in twenty twenty three,
so we're going to talk about that and Mayor Mike
Johnston's irresponsible comments about what that will look like when
the deportations begin. And then we're going to have at
five pm Jennifer Say. She is the championship gymnast who
exposed so much what was going on in that area,
stood up against Levi Strauss when she stood up against
(32:49):
the COVID mandate policies, and she's now partnering with Riley
Gaines on Project Boycott, which is protecting women's sports and
girls' sports and safe spaces.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
So it's going to be a great show.
Speaker 14 (33:00):
I look forward to having everybody tune in and join me.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
We look forward to hearing you and they'll be coming
up in mere moments. Jennifer Say is fantastic. You can
check out her brand online. Riley Gaines a spokeswoman for
that as well. X X dash xy athletics dot com.
And looking at Kimberly saying about the jan sixth Committee,
I think at minimum it is abuse of taxpayer money
and resources, Graham. Theft is what they're guilty of, along
(33:25):
with a lot of deception and burying of exculpatory evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
For Donald Trump, it was a sham.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It needs to be exposed as such, and I am
faithful that both Pam Bondi and Cash Patel will make
sure that we get to the bottom of it. That'll
do it for me from here for now, Stay tuned again.
Deborah Flora filling in for Dan Kaplis next. You've been
listening to Ryan Shuling live right here on six point
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