Susan Crabtree, Real Clear Politics on Secret Service shenanigans; Kristi Burton-Brown on Polis calling special session

Susan Crabtree, Real Clear Politics joins Ryan to discuss the latest misadventures of the Secret Service, with sources providing more and more details on the discord with the organization.

Dissension, ‘Toxicity’ Plagued Trump’s Secret Service Detail Before Assassination Attempt | RealClearPolitics

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Susan Crabtree on X: "🚨🚨EXCLUSIVE and BREAKING: During a Donald Trump visit to North Carolina yesterday, a woman Secret Service special agent abandoned her post to breastfeed with no permission/warning to the event site agent, according to three sources in the Secret Service community. Shortly https://t.co/lkfhhLcA0B" / X (twitter.com)

Kristi Burton-Brown joins Ryan to discuss the special session of the General Assembly just announced by Governor Jared Polis. What is the reason behind it? Property taxes.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Bryan Schuling with you. It's time to get
your popcorn ready. Hit record or download save this podcast
because this entire segment, I don't even know where it's
going to go. I'm just going to go where our
next guest takes us, and that's Susan Crabtree from Real
Clear Politics. She joined us last week, and it seems
like a lifetime of storylines just in that time of

(00:23):
eight days. Since you can follow her on x at
Susan Crabtree. She joins us now, Susan, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, it's my pleasure, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You know, I'm reading all of these articles you're writing
and I don't even know where to begin, but I
think I want to go kind of macro and then
micro after that. This first articles is troubling, but it
explains a lot, and so I'd like you to kind
of distill it, if you will, for our listeners. Dissension, toxicity, plague,
Trump's secret Service detail before assassination attempt. This entire organization

(00:57):
seems to not only be suffering from the cultural rote
that you and I talked about, but sheer chaos. Can
you fill in the details their place a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, about two months before the assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania,
in May fifteenth, the Secret Service detail that the text
Donald Trump had a meeting, the top leaders had a
meeting with the sixteen members strong team, and they dressed
them down. It basically read them the Riot Act and said,

(01:31):
you know, there's been a lot of different things that
are happening that are unprofessional on this team and we
want to stop immediately. And one of those things was
that two members of a support staff had fallen asleep
at mar Lago and instead of nudging them awake, I
guess this does happen from time to time when you're

(01:52):
Secret Service, and they are worked very hard as we know,
and stress stretched the bone term of their terms of
their resources and the number of people that they had,
the hours that they work, especially during campaign season. But
these a fellow agent took a photo of them and
distributed to them sort of this to sleeping distributed among

(02:15):
the other staff for a last and they were told
that that was, you know, just unacceptable by their bosses
in this conference call and that they were going to
be actually providing it to headquarters and there was going
to be an investigation of them, and then I heard
from the other people that they were just you know,
kind of gulled because there was never any discipline from

(02:37):
what they could tell of the two support staff that
fell asleep. There's also an additional problem that it's occurring
on the staff this site agent for the Butler rally itself.
A site agent is someone who is responsible for all

(02:58):
of the security planning and then her supervisors sign off
on its allocation of assets. So she would be responsible,
I'm told, for all of the allocation of assets, including
the roof that day. Some other people tell me that,
you know, there was a Pittsburgh element that was a
counterpart that also was involved in those decision making, but

(03:22):
this is the person who is responsible. She is known
for taking videos and photos while on assignment and loading
those up to her social media Instagram and Facebook, and
that's causing a lot of concern and she is under
investigation for that for doing for multiple problems, multiple instances

(03:46):
when she did that. So it just sounds like sort
of a high school mentality, petty unprofessional behavior that has
been plaguing the detail two months ahead of time. And
there's also where formal complaints filed against the leaders of

(04:07):
that detail, and some people thought this particular phone call
was a turning of the table. There was a lot
of talk on that phone call. Was given a detailed
account of it that, oh, well, we have let a
lot of things fly and you know, we haven't received
the same treatment in return. So there was a lot

(04:28):
of conversations like that from both the two top leaders,
and you know, they this is sort of seen as
we're turning, we're turning the tables on you. So you know,
it's recriminations, rancor, a lot of unprofessional behavior, and you
wonder if that was districting, right. You know, in the

(04:52):
weeks and months leading up to the Butler assassination attempt.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
What had to be Susan Crabtree joining us with these details.
Real Clear Power is where you can find her and
Susan Crabtree on X and this from the article that
she's discussing here. Trump's regular Detailed team a force of
sixty employees. Last year, the team lost one of its
members to suicide. Among the allegations our accusations of improper

(05:16):
sexual relationships or fraternization within the team, debilitating mental health issues,
non merit based promotions, conflict of interest, issues, unfair retaliation
and the creation of inappropriate memes and social media posts
that she just discussed.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I was going to say, Susan, this sounds.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
More like Animal House or Revenge of the Nerds, just
rudderless kind of no consequences. They're off the rails entirely.
And this goes directly to leadership. And it's not just
Kim cheadle, although she sets the tone and we'll get
to hear her in a moment, but this is on
the watch of Ron Rowe too. He was in a
leadership position this entire time, right.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's right, he was. So he was a deputy director
hend selected by Kimberly Cheedle, and he before that he
was the head, the chief of the Protective Operations Division,
which does approve and send out all of the assets
for each and every campaign and presidential event. So you

(06:15):
know when he's saying, he had a meeting, an all
hands conference called himself yesterday and it was quite a
try to be a big tech talk, and he was saying,
we're going to change the mindset of less is more
to do more with less. Excuse me. That was as

(06:35):
been a mantra at the Secret Service that they meet
for decades. They need to do more with less, and
he's going to change that mindset. He promised them that
he was going to get more assets, more, a bigger budget,
and that the right people in Congress were already listening
to this and hearing and making changes and agreeing that

(06:56):
they need bigger budget. He also talked about the Tills
communications problems and efforts to already fix that, the problems
with the silo communications between the local law enforcement and
the Secret Service. That day at Butler, it was a
pretty I thought it was a good speech, It was
sort of earnest, But then right afterwards, you had this

(07:20):
incident that I don't know if you want to get into.
Last night, my phone started blowing up again for multiple sources,
and I thought, oh goodness, are you kidding me? It's
a fake. I really thought it could have been. As
you know, I need to make sure that this actually happened,
because it sounds so surreal that a female to a

(07:45):
Service agent would abandon their posts five minutes before Trump's
arrival and go into a sort of a safe office
designated for emergencies and other types of special Secret Service
official work, and they the site agent for that particular
event in North Carolina for Donald Trump. Found did the

(08:06):
final walk through before the president of the former president
was supposed to arrive, and found a female agent breastfeeding
in that room. And she was supposed to be post standing.
I mean, that's a fundamental thing that the special agents do.
They are supposed to be assigned to a post and
remain there. And that just didn't tell anybody she was leaving.

(08:29):
From what I understand, multiple sources, great sources that have
been accurate for a dozen years. I've been working on
the feet for twelve years now, and so it's just
mind boggling that someone would do that and a month
and a day after the assassination sept on Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That's the key stat right there, Susan Crabtree our guests
from Real Clear Politics, and what she's talking about is
this absolutely mind numbing incident as she states that one
month and one day after an assassination attempt, where you
would think they would circle the wagons, go, guys, we
can't let anything like that ever happen again on our watch.
We're going to redouble our efforts. Going to have this

(09:09):
PEP talk from Ron Row now, the acting director of
the Secret Service, and then the Shenanigan Susan. I mean,
this is like something I said out of a comedy film,
but it's not funny. Here's a woman recently giving birth
to an infant needing to breastfeed this young one, and well,
that's fine. But my question would be there's a lot
of questions, obviously, but the first one would be, why

(09:30):
is she on this detail at all?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Why hasn't she been relegated at least.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
For the temporary short term to a desk position or
something a little bit further away from the fray. And
then the final part of this whole question is why
would you bring an infant into a high security situation
like that? What kind of judgment does that reflect upon
this individual?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's it's beyond comprehension to me. And of course I'm
getting a lot of criticism on expit about the breastfeeding
that I am that I'm not supportive of breastfeeding. That is,
nothing can be farther from the truth. I'm a big
champion of breasteeding. In fact, I'm an advocate for making
it easier for women to do because I had to

(10:13):
do that at the White House and it was a
very difficult situation because you're so crammed into a very
small space the reporters at the White House. So I
understand the difficulty, and I also understand the importance of
doing so. But it's just a time and a place issue.
And certainly what you just said, you know from what
I understand that it was not a young infant either,

(10:35):
So I'm not getting judgmental here about how long you breastfeed.
But it's just a time and a place issue, bottom line.
And certainly she, from what I had been told by
multiple sources, this agent was able to bring some of
her family members into that were not pinned and penned.

(10:56):
Means you were cleared by the Secret Service to be
at an event and they look at your background. That
usually takes at least a full day. So you can
have family members at events, but you have to have
them cleared by through the process that provide their Social
Security number, they do a background check, and these two
people weren't and they were escorted into this what is

(11:17):
known as the hard room the Secret Service does the
site agent designates at an event for emergency purposes, like
if Donald Trump anything that happened to him, they could
bring him in their other official duties for the Secret Service.
And you know they were allowed to be in this
in this room and did not have the proper background.

(11:41):
And I guess another event, unpinned event, a staffer allowed them,
escorted them into their I mean, I have no idea
why this would happen, but you know, the five first
five minutes before an event before a presidential rival is
extremely there's stressful. And I've been in the motorcade. I'm

(12:04):
part of the White House press pool. I have been.
I am not part of it now, but my colleague is.
And you have to the Secret Services on high alert
during those times, and so are the reporters. We want
to we're looking for, We're making sure that we get
off our reports on time, we're writing up our reports.

(12:24):
No one is just sort of casually milling about.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Susan Crabtree.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
One of the most important follows on ex Susan Crabtree
is where you can follow her there for real clear politics.
She's on not just the front lines of this reporting,
but really driving the news cycle and in fact perhaps
policy and Susan this is kind to feel kind of
meta for you as a reporter, because here comes representative
darryl Isa and Senator Ted Cruz in a follow up

(12:51):
report that you had quote demand answers on possible Secret
Service cocaine cover up. They discovered this information based on
your reporting, Mike starts. I guess without your reporting, would
they have even known about it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, they know. Unfortunately, the the cocaineish incident last year.
I do believe they covered it up the Secret Service.
That's what my sources are telling me that Kimberly Cheedle
or they attempted to, and they did successfully partially cover
it up. They have I'll go from the beginning from

(13:28):
what my sources are telling me that Kimberly Cheedle tried
to the director of the Secret Service at the time,
who obviously resigned it. I mean bipartisan pressure after a
terrible testimony before the House Oversight Committee a few weeks
ago post assassination attempt.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
She tried to.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
She's very close to the Biden especially Jill Biden, and
my good colleague over at the New York Post, Stephen Nelson,
wrote a peace saying she's exceptionally close to Jill Biden,
and that's how she became Secret Service director because still
wanted her there. So she wanted to destroy this cocaine evidence. Uh,

(14:08):
and after it was tested. The only reason why we
even know about it from what my source to tell
me that the special agents that surround the President and
the first family and other protectees, it's not there. They
don't consider it their job job to report when they
encounter illegal suentences, legal drugs, they call it contraband they

(14:32):
simply flush it down the toilet. Uh. That's what I've
been told by multiple people. I don't I don't have
specific instances, but that's sort of the mentality. So the
only reason why this came out, this particular cocaine bag,
which is less than a gram of cocaine found inside
the White Houses because it was from a uniform division

(14:54):
officer found it in somewhere in the White House. Now
we don't know where it was found, because there was
various weeks about this in the media that located it
in different places, and ultimately to the Service said it
was located in these cobbies on the west side of
the wing of the White House that you come in

(15:15):
and you put your belongings to go on VAI features,
including your cell phones. That's where they said it ended up.
But there's some question whether that's where they found it
or not. But the Uniform Division called the DC Metropolitan
Police Fire and Ems to come out because he found

(15:35):
this bagging. They thought it was anthrax, so they evacuated
the entire White House on a sleepy Sunday night before
the July Foards vacation, and the first family including Hunter Biden,
had just been at the White House that they had
departed for Camp David at the point when they found it.
So they tested it. The Homeland Security Department tested this

(15:57):
substance and then they said it they found it was
the fire and rescue, the fire DC fire and Ems
found out that it was cocaine, it was not anthrax.
Then they sent it to the Department Home and Security
came back cocaine, not anything, no biothreat. Then they sent
it to FBI for DNA and fingerprint testing. No fingerprints

(16:18):
were found, but I'm told there was partial DNA material
on that and there was a partial DNA hit now,
I'm told, and Senator Cruz and darryl Isa, representative from California,
want to know what exactly that means in Layman's terms,
a partial DNA hit because they had this what I

(16:41):
am when I'm told what it means is that they
have located among the people that were at the White
House that day. And you can tell Helen whoever was
at the White House that day, because there's wave records
of who comes in and out. That somebody in that
pool of people had a blood relative that showed up
in the DNA hit. But I'm told that they didn't

(17:04):
want to find out who whose it really was. They
didn't interview people, they didn't test it against other DNA
samples they might have had from say the hunter Guide gun.
That was what he actually ended up getting having convicted
for about lying about and also that we can go

(17:27):
into that part. But this same focus on the cocaine
that Director Cheeto wanted it destroyed, and the Forensic Services
Division and the Uniform Division joined forces and said that
it is not our protocol. When we actually have something
in evidence in our vault, you cannot then have it destroyed.
We have to keep it for seven years. And they

(17:49):
pushed back, and there is belief that his name is
Richard McAuley, who headed the Uniform Division at the time,
was likely retaliated against because of that. He was the
acting director. Because the predecessor had retired, and he even
though he was a black man and Cheto supports a

(18:11):
very big priority and supports dei Ish initiative at the agency,
he was not promoted to the top spot. They brought
in somebody else from retirement to take that spot. So
it's a lot long winded way of talking about it.
But yes, Senator Cruz and Daryl Ida want answers. They won't.
They have specific questions and you can see them in
my story at realclearpolit politics dot com about exactly what

(18:36):
they want to know. And if I were run Row,
I would not want to be answering those question We'll.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
See where it goes from here. In that report again at.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Susan krabtree On actually mentioned RealClearPolitics dot com. You can
search for her name. They're all her latest reporting. Susan,
I got to cover one more topic with You're going
to hold you a little bit long for this segment,
so you listeners out there that might get cut off
by a commercial, make sure to tune in for the
podcast version of this. I wanted you to pretend, look,
we're putting together a puzzle here, and I know you've

(19:06):
got a lot of the pieces in your pocket from
your reporting, but to supplement what was posted by Julie
Kelly today. And I know that she appeared on Dan
Bongino's radio program about the alleged bomb outside the DNC
where Kamala Harris, Senator Harris then presumptive vice president she
was going to be vice president ILECT was stationed and

(19:29):
the response to the discovery of said bomb being planted.
There was video that she cited that showed a woman
running from the purported bomb to inform authorities, you would think,
and then running back toward this purported bomb. Here's Dan
Bongino kind of summarizing all of the details surrounding it.

(19:49):
And this is where I want to bring Susan in
about what the Secret Service knew when they knew it,
and what the lack of transparency means in flushing this information.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Why is the camera footage from the night before when
the FBI tells us oh, no, don't worry, guys, don't
look at that police bag coming out just minutes before
the bomb is found or.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Anything like that.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
The FBI says the bomb was placed there the night
before by some random guy. Amazingly, they can't find him.
He's never been arrested. He makes a cell phone call,
but the phone company shockingly fellas Justin. You believe it,
the phone company couldn't find his records.

Speaker 6 (20:24):
One of the chances Justin's like, man, what a big
kowiki dig bro. And according to Darren Beedy at Revolver,
the camera footage appears to have been manipulated, so you
can't actually see anyone placing a bomb the.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Night before, So freaking weird. We have a geo fence
for every grandma who is at to stop the steel rally,
their cell phone records, their bank records. But the one
guy who allegedly planted a bomb the night before at
the DNC, nobody can find this guy's cell records.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Phone company says they.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Disappeared, So Susan, the video evidence apparently has been manipulated.
The cell phone records of this alleged suspect who planted
the bomb don't exist.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
They've disappeared.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
You've told us about secret service agents who had their
phones white. Where can you pick up the story from here?
What kind of details can you fill in.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
If any.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, a two weeks ago, I believe it was on
a Friday, the DHSIG the Department Homeland Security, which is
the umbella organization for the Secret Service. They released an
IG report saying that yes, indeed, I mean we kind
of knew this, but officially confirmed it that Kamala Harris

(21:38):
walked twenty feet from this bomb. Well, that's kind of alarming.
Why wouldn't she be talking about that. Why wouldn't she say,
consider that an attempted assassination attempt on her? And she
was the vice presidential elect at the time, and we've
never heard her talk about that. Very bizarre. And then

(22:00):
the Secret Service supposedly couldn't find the bomb. They had
Doug sniffing bomb detectors and they swept the DNC before
Kamala Harris's arrival as they always do, and they were
they didn't detect it. So why didn't they detect it
this particular video. Now, Julia Kelly is a colleague, and

(22:22):
I would he knows more about this than I do.
For I'm just reacting to her reporting today that that
video is very curious and it shows somebody coming in
and out right before the tenants before they found the bomb.
So maybe maybe it was that Kamala Harrison really didn't

(22:43):
There wasn't in danger because the bomb was planted way
after she had already been there or she was gone.
So that's why she's not reacting to it, and that's
why she's not taking a stand. But you have all
these conflicting reports. And of course, my the Secret Service
agents and officers that were on duty that day who

(23:06):
have talked to me say their phones were three. A
few months after that, particular the J six, they were
asked to turn in their phones and they were phone
They knew the phones were going to get wiped. They
didn't think it was just some software migration. They knew
it was related to the congressional inquiries and the Department

(23:29):
of Homeland Security ID inquiries. It was a mystery to them.
So why are we believing the software migration stories. That's
just it is a constant, I will tell you with
the Secret Service, the obsicuscation and the outright lives from
their communications department is and the the directors themselves are legions.

(23:54):
I mean, you cannot trust what they say. You just
can't trust it. And we'll go back. I can go
back chapter and verse. Even Julia Pearson, the first female
chief that Obama pointed after the Cartagena Columbia prostitution scandal
back and that was twelve, twenty twelve, and then they

(24:16):
were restill reacting to it in twenty thirteen to she
got fired. Julia Pearson got fired for alling to President
Obama and the DHS Secretary J. Johnson at the time
about both two incidents. One was the man who had
a knife and had gotten jumped fence jumped and got
into the White House. They didn't say he had a

(24:38):
knife at first. And then another incident that I broke,
and that was having to do with a man in
an elevator with President Obama in Atlanta during a CDC visit,
and that man was not cleared by the Secret Service
to have a gun. And so they lied to both me.
They tried to lie to me about that. The communications

(25:01):
director was Ed Donovan at the time, and he said
that didn't happen. I said, I have a really good
source that I'm going to just continue going with the story.
And they lied to a lot of other reporters, and
apparently they lied at some point between those two stories
to President Obama about his personal safety and TODH Secretary J. Johnson,

(25:21):
and they asked for the resignation. So they had, So
this is a history that dates back and it's consistent
see what what my sources have called a cya culture.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Final questions, Susan, and this one I think is very
important because it pops to my mind because I have
so many doubts as you do. You do the reporting,
but skepticism, uh, just a general jaded I that I'm
viewing all of this with now, and I have to
imagine that the agents do too. I can't rule out
that the bombs were planted, or they weren't bombs at all,
that this was all a ruse, and that's why we're
not hearing anything about it. But with regards to the

(25:55):
actual message, the text message, the phone's being turned over.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
If I'm one of those agents and I.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Know everything you know, and I've told you some of
the things that I know, and now you know, I'm
not giving up that phone without making some kind of
record of it. When I'm talking about you might kind
of see this coming screenshots, saving those messages, having those
filed away. Can you share with us if any of
those agents thought ahead to that level and maybe did

(26:22):
that before they handed their phones over.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know, that is a great question, and I will
press them on this again, because that actual admission came
out while I was reporting something completely unrelated those and
then I wouldn't ask other people. But I don't know
if they were if it was a sudden let me
get your phones and you max turn them in right now,

(26:46):
right right, or if they had time to take screenshots
and to download. So that's a critical question. I'm glad
you're asking it so because I will go back to
my sources. You know, some of them just dutifully turned
in their phones. Because if you turn against if you
do anything defiant against the leadership of Secret Service, there's

(27:11):
episodes of retaliation. They can take your security clearance away
and they have. There's been many, many instances of improper
retaliation with security clearances, and they can put you on
unpaid leaps and then you can't even pay your bills.
It is, like I said, it's very well, it's uneven discipline,

(27:32):
and it creates a toxic environment and they need to
clean house. I am with Dan Bongino that to clean
it up from top to bottom. And we're talking about
continuity of government. We're talking about being able to participate
in our own democracy, to go to a rally without
fear that someone is going to get shot, your family
members are going to get shot. Terrible situation with Corey

(27:53):
Coreparatory killed in front of his family. We cannot have
this hanging in our over our heads. But if we
go to participate in politics that something could happen. We
could die that day. It's just terrible for our democracy.
And so they need to clean up their act. Whatever

(28:15):
Congress needs to do, they need to hold their feet
to the fire and not let up this time. It
seems like it kind of comes and goes these terrible stories.
But now we have an assassination attempt, the first one
since nineteen eighty one against Ronald Reagan. There needs to
be an overhaul and the eighth floor, that's where the
leadership is. They all need to go.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
It's stranger than fiction, but lives are on the line
and it's almost impossible to believe. But you've got to
stay tuned to her reporting Susan Crabtree at Real Clear
Politics at Susan Crabtree on X Susan. I'm always fascinated
by our conversations. Thank you so much for your time
and I look forward.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
To the next one.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
That was Thanks for having me I really appreciate it
and your devotion to the issue.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Susan Crabtree right there your reaction five seven seven three nine.
Stay tuned much more to get to Ryan shuling with
you here on six point thirty k.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yes, lots of secrets within the Secret Service walls. I'm
still recovering from that conversation with Susan Crabtree. Real clear politics.
I mean, this is edge of your seat type stuff,
and it'll turn your stomach. I cannot believe the discord,
the rancor the corruption going on within the Secret Service.
Really want to hear from you on this five seven

(29:31):
seven three nine. Start those texts, Ryan, get to Kelly's
thoughts as well. Ryan, her primary duty was to protect
and if necessary, take a bullet for President Trump. You're right,
this is a high risk position, and I really respect
and admire those who choose to put themselves in harm's way.
But if you're a new mother or you're still breastfeeding
a child, take a seat right, step out of the game.

(29:54):
Lives are on the line, lives, life has been lost,
and we almost lost a president of the United States
in Donald Trump. This is no time for shenanigans and
no time for going off duty without telling anybody. Honestly,
she should have been fired on the spot just for
that alone.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
In my view. That's just my view. But maybe I'm
tougher than others.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Ryan, I'm kind of worried about voter fraud, and I'll
talk about that more an hour number two quick hitting
segment here because we've got to get to Christy Burton
Brown coming back on the other side. She's running for
the state Board of Education and a special session has
been called by Governor Jared Polis. You'll find out why
when we come back after this Ryan schuling on six
point thirty k.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
How that's right, Cinderella.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
That one's for Kelly and for those of you that
are coming home to hire property taxes. See what I
did there, That's why Governor Jared Polis apparently is calling
for a special session. And joining me our special guest
and special friend, I would say, Christy Burton Brown. She
is running for the state school board here in Colorado,
and she's the one that alerted me to the Christy,

(31:00):
thank you so much for taking the time and appreciate
your patience.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Of course, thanks coming me on, Ryan, tell.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Us a little bit more about what's going on here
with Governor Polos the special session property taxes.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Didn't we already do this once?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Huh?

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yes, they did do it last year when Proposition AHH failed,
which as we all know, was there, you know, claim
that they were going to lower property taxes for people,
but really what it did is reach into your other pocket,
take your tavorit refunds, and claim they're saving you money
by making you pay for it. At Advanced Colorado, who
I also work for right now, we know, ran the

(31:35):
campaign to defeat Proposition AHH. Voters agreed by twenty percentage points.
So that is why Governor Polis thought he needed to
call a special session last year. But it was a temporary,
small amount of relief. And that's why over this last
year Michael Fields Advanced Colorado ran two ballot initiatives, Initiative
fifty and Prop one oh eight, got both of those

(31:58):
on the ballot, and now the governor has called another
special session to actually do a permanent cut in cap
of property taxes. Because this is where we are and
what people need in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I want to sort through these kind of dueling options
here and you can find out more KBB for Colorado
Board of Education Online KBB for Colorado dot com. Is
this Polust's way of trying to circumvent the ballot measures
that you and Fields have gotten approved for the upcoming
ballot or is there something that would be you know,
in addition to what you're trying to do with the

(32:30):
two initiatives.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
So actually, what's on the table now is a deal.
That's a property tax bill that would actually cut in
cap property taxes. It is more of a cut in
cap than the legislature was willing to do themselves during
this last legislative session, and it is a little bit
higher cap than what we would be putting on the
ballot through one oh eight and fifties. It is a compromise.

(32:54):
It's a deal, but the legislature is coming back to
work and they are actually if they passed bill that's
been agreed on, it would be a guaranteed cut in
cap for voters. And I can go through the numbers
if you want me to what exactly people would.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Get out of this.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Okay, So you will may be aware legislature passed sent
Bill two thirty three over the during the last session,
but it didn't quite get there for giving people enough
property tax relief cut Buddy's ballot and measures were necessary.
But if this compromise bill is passed, it would give
voters one point six billion dollars in property tax cut,

(33:33):
which is hugely significant. It would also put a cap
on property taxes five point twenty five percent on local
governments and six percent or inflation on school districts. What's
very interesting about the bill the legislature had passed earlier
this year, there was no cap on school districts at all.
If you look at your property tax bill, it's a
significant portion of your property tax bill, and the legislature

(33:56):
just left that out there with a no cap to
your property taxes could have spiked again. Under this deal
that has been has been made with them, it would
be capping is that part of your property tax bill two,
which is extremely extremely important. The other piece that's different
from what was passed earlier is that instead of you know,

(34:16):
your property tax is actually increasing next year, which is
what is about to happen without a bill like this,
your property tax rate would go up to six point
eight percent. Well, under this bill, it stays that six
point three or six point four percent, and you're actually
going to see a decreased property tax bill next year,
in addition to a cap that is protected by tape.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So final question, Christy Burton Brown, our guess, KBB, what
you've just outlined, what you've described, This all goes through
and it's agreed to signed in by Polis.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Do you support it?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yes, Advanced Coloradock does support that. This is something that
has been worked on by Michael Field with the Governor's office.
This is a deal that we've reached with them. And
I think one other piece voters would really want to
be aware of if your local government wants to opt
out of this cap. One significant piece in this agreement
is that they have to use honest, clear ballot language

(35:13):
that tells you you would be opting out of the
cap and gives you a real choice on if you
want your property taxes increased in the future, instead of
government just doing it to you. You would get a
say that was a big piece of our ballot measures
that's included in this legislation.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Very interesting and we'll watch this as it unfolds. The
two ballot measures pending. But this could circumvent and supersede
all of that through the hard work of Advanced Colorado
Michael Fields, Christy Burton Brown, and the Governor's Office Jared
Poulis credit where credit is due, actually listening and moving
the football down the field. I'm almost astonished by this.
So maybe Dan Kaplis will explore the reasons why with

(35:50):
KBB when she joins him later on today in the
five point thirty portion of that program.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Christy, thank you as always for your time. We'll talk
again soon.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Thanks Ryan.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Let's do it all right, k Colorado.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Dot Com to find out more about her campaign for
the Colorado Board of Education. Back with the top of
the hour timeout, Donald Trump about to take questions in Bedminster,
New Jersey. Will go out live for that if we
have time after these words on six point thirty, K
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