January 19, 2023 • 37 mins
In this live episode, Melissa and Justin give updates and discuss the case over a Zoom call with guests. Joined with them are members of the Petty family, Alan Haskins, and others.
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guilty in a court of law.Then we move on to February twenty fifth,
and Westfall spoke to Kathy Grant,who is James bonnet sister. And
we've talked about them before in thisepisode or in this podcast that we were
trying to locate, you know,James Bonnett and his sister, Kathy.
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Kathy supposedly had dated Chris back youknow, during this time as well.
And so Kathy was also bartender atthe Sundance Cafe in Dawson. So in
the reports, Kathy says that shewas not working at the Sundance on the
evening of the fire, but herbrother, James Bonnett had worked till close
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that night. Chris mentioned to Kathy. So Chris Cutwright mentioned to Kathy that
he had picked up Judy but wasonly going as far as Meredith Manor so
that continues to be the same thing. He says that Judy said that she
lived before Meredith Manor, so JamesBonnett also confirmed that Judy had not been
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in the bar that evening, soI know we've tossed that around and confirmed
this now in the case fails thatshe had not been in the bar,
so we can put that theory kindof to rest. James confirms that Chris
was in the bar that evening inquestion so the six. When asked about
how the topic of Judy came up, Bonnet tells Westfall that it was because
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they had seen the news coverage ofJudy on the TV and that's when Chris
said that looked like the person hepicked up and dropped off at the farm.
He also mentioned Chris was not adrinker or did not drink alcohol,
and neither did James, so weknow that that's not true. Based on
everything that we've known, is itsounds unlikely that Chris was not drinking,
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you know, that night or thenext night. So one of the things
that I want to talk more aboutis that based on the twenty fifth,
So when Westfall actually talks to Cutwright, Chris already moved out of Tom Sam's
house. So basically, we haveat least nineteen days maybe less, that
Chris leaves Sam's house after Judy's disappearanceand the fire. So that is interesting
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to me because we have at leastnineteen days, but it could have been
ten days, it could have beentwelve days. So all of a sudden,
Chris ups and moves out of Sam'shouse. And when asked about this,
Chris says that he left Sam's dueto thinking that Sam's and his soon
to be ex wife or having arelationship. He said, is that Sam's
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was telling her information. I foundthis interesting. You'll love this too,
justin that him and Sam's had cometo some disagreement so he left. Now
I'm wondering what's the disagreement. Prettysure it would be the fact he thinks
he's having sex would as soon tobe ex wife. I would. I
would assume that's a pretty big disagreementright there, right. But he mentions
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that though, and then says adisagreement. So it wasn't like he didn't
say I think my you know,it was like two things. That's how
I read it, Like, yeah, I think that him and my ex
wife, are you know, havinga relationship and that you know, we've
just come into some you know,disagreement, so he left and I'm just
kind of I mean, maybe that'sright. I mean that could be.
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But we also know that there wassome suspicion of things being stolen and things
like that. So right now I'mtrying to work on or find out when
Chris moved in with Sam's, soyou know, we have or the twenty
fifth. I'm sorry that he's alreadymoved out, So what's the time frame
of you know, moving in Andagain, you know, Bonnet mentions that
Chris was not drinking, and thatis interesting to me as well. So
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what do you think about all ofthis? Me and you are pretty familiar
with some of the inconsistencies and someof the falsehoods that are that are being
said by Bonnet and Cutwright and stufflike that. We've brought it up.
So the nineteen days is interesting.It's very interesting because why would he be
heading there if he's supposedly I don'tknow. My whole thing is, like,
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I'm more curious about when a Cutwrightsays that Tom Sam's was giving his
soon to be ex wife information onhim, Like what kind of information,
because that can mean a lot ofdifferent things, and maybe that's one of
the reasons he thought they were ina relationship together, you know. But
I'd like to hear anybody else's thoughtson that, you know. The other
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thing I have an issue with isif Chris knew and he does based on
what James is said, that Judywas the one he picked up because he
saw her on the news on theseventh, Right, she's already now on
the news on the seventh as amissing person. Why did he not go
to the police. The police hadto go to him. Now, let's
say he says, well, Ididn't know if it was really her.
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It was dark out. I didn'treally get a good look. But now
we have Bonnets saying the conversation cameup because she was on the news,
and he said, oh, that'sa girl that I picked up and dropped
off there at the fire. What'sthe likelihood? Well, and Chris Knewell
said the same thing, though,why do you have two people? And
he says, well, I didn'tknow if it was really her. It
doesn't matter. I mean, what'sthe likelihood that you pick up somebody you
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dropped them off? And it justhappens to be at the place of a
fire. I mean, why notjust call the police and say, hey,
I don't know if this was heror not, or a coincidence,
but he did nothing of that.What does the group think about that?
Any comments on that? I alsoknow he said so many different I mean,
you just changed your story on everything. I mean, he told us
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that he was kicked out of TomSam's house because of drugs, because Tom
was stilling his paint pills. Idon't know, it's just every time you
turn around, it's a different storywith Chris when he was there, when
he left, he was also dealingdrugs. Who was Chris whore he was
living at the time Tom Sam's place. Tom was dealing drugs. He didn't
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want the loll to be around therebecause he maybe some of his buyers would
show up at the same time,and he didn't morning around there because of
the situation. He was left therein the second day after we found her
remains. Yeah, we were toldhe was he was kicked out, or
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we were told he left days afterJudy was found. Yeah, to Tom,
I know where he went down theroad on the other side of Meredith
Manor. He wasn't there very longbecause the FBI supposedly was checking the party
out, So where he was at, it's a time a drug deal upon
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Meredith Manor. Yes, So misterPetty, how many days, um did
you so you went to Tom SAMs. Do you know that Chris moved out
two days later? You can confirmyou confirm that, yes, the pretty
much for the neighbor by. Theneighbor said that John Packer, Yeah,
yeah, they supposed to talk toTom SAMs, and they asked Tom SAMs
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three questions. I mean, theyasked Packers three questions about Tom SAMs.
Do you know what he's driving?Do you know where he's at? And
the other question I can't remember justwhat it what it was. That was
two questions asked three questions, andthat's always ask So we we possibly have
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Chris moving out at least two daysafter the fire. Yeah, she's gone.
That's interesting. So those are oneof the things that you know,
we found in the file that youknow it was at least the nineteen days
mister Petty saying that you know whenhe went talking or had heard that they
were talking to Sam's it was twodays and Chris was already out of the
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prop or out of Sam's house atthat point. I've spoken to Sam's.
He doesn't remember specifics the dates orhow long until you know, Chris was
no longer there. So I knowit's been fourteen years, but you know,
it's hard to get that. Ihaven't seen it in the case ball
yet, have you justed? Now? I do have in the file that
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just a statement that Sam's called thepolice and said that he did not he
was not going to come in fora polygraph. Yeah. Yeah, he
lawyered up pretty quick, yeah,which he said was due to other things
going on, which you know makessense. He had access to a lot
of drugs because he was on onehundred percent disability because of his back.
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Of course, he could climb atree in get up there and and hunt
and things like that, and chopwood. I seen him chop wood.
But he was under to say,so there's some shady things goes on in
this squirrel. Yes, there isa lot of stuff, absolutely right about
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that. All right, So nowwe moved to February twenty seventh. We
have Kaplan, who was the medicalexaminer, spoke to Westfall and told Westfall
he was ruling this a homicide.Westfall asked which evidence was needed to classify
it as such, and doctor Kaplanstated, due to the condition of the
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bones and the amount of damage causedby the fire, hoping we get the
MME report to figure out what hemeans by the condition of the bones.
That was a big question that Ipersonally had when I was reading through through
it. I'm like, why doeshe keep saying that, Like he doesn't
give any specific information. And thenlike later on in the case, while
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you can read where they kept callingthe medical Examiner's office trying to get why.
I mean, they kept asking him, like, why are you ruling
this a homicide? Like what onwhat grounds? And they just kept saying
the condition of the bones. SoI'm really curious to know what exactly they
mean by that. Personally, thatwas one thing that stood out for me.
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Westfall did know the medical examiner rulingthis a homicide. You know,
he's based on the based on hisreport. So what are your thoughts about
that? Yeah, so a coupleof things. I mean, I I'd
like to hear what Alan has tosay about that too, in regards to
the bones and if there was anythingthat that you know, it's very bad
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in the reports about the condition ofthe bones and why he thinks it's a
homicide. But you know, Ido want to say. I know in
a previous episode, we mentioned thatWestfall was shocked that this was ruled,
you know, homicide, or thatshe was dead before the fire. But
now we found in his reports hewas aware and he was asking why this
was a homicide because he didn't understandhow they were ruling this a homicide.
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So I will say, and wesaid this in the previous episode, Westfall
has had medical health problems. Hekept saying his memory is not the best.
So he would say, once youget the case foul, you know,
I'm happy to review with it.Maybe it'll drag my memory. So
could it be that his memory basedon things he's going through. Could be
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But at least now we know thatKaplan was deeming this a homicide back in
February of eight, So Alan,what do you think about that the bones?
The only thing I could think ofon the would be if they seen
some kind of marks or something somewherethey might have been from, say,
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knife marks or something like that thatmight have been left. But it's a
few of bones, that's what theyhad. I'm not one hundred percent certain.
I do know in the toxicology reportthat you know, they found some
liver tissue as well, there wasno carbon monoxide there, you know,
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there was nothing in that. SoI'm not a medical examiner. I mean,
I just I know fire, andthat's pretty much it. But I
do know that upwards above ninety percentof fatalities in fires are caused from carbon
monoxide and the fire gases and stuffthat you know, if they die in
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a house fire. She didn't havethat in her system. That's the immediate
red flag that says she was deadbefore the fire started. I just can't
buy acts. Then, I can'tbuy suicide. I can't buy you know,
any of that stuff because it justdoes not make sense. And we're
going to talk about that as weget through, because we do have,
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you know, statements from Woodyard andothers who believed this was accidentally. So
you know, when you when youinvestigate a fire, you want to rule
out all the accidental stuff first,because if you go into this saying,
well, you know, I'm goingto investigate an arson fire looking for arson,
you're going to find a reason tocall it arsenal. So I just
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can't see anything accidental when you gota body laying where it was laying in
a position that it was laying,and may and there's no carbon monoxide there.
None of that makes sense. Itjust doesn't add up. And again,
like I said a while ago,when we were talking about the path,
I go a lot on. Idon't want to say gut feeling,
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but I don't want stuff that makessense. None of that makes sense.
Estimate that she died during the fireit was a suicide, I just don't.
I don't buy. You know,she the suicide and then the fire
started later. I don't. Idon't believe that, Jen said she popped
into the chat. She said sheone hundred percent agrees with Alan on that
I do too. It all justdoesn't add up. So okay, So
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then you know, Westfall did speakwith Woodyard, stating he only got the
Parkersburg Police Department reports recently. OnAugust fourteenth. Westfall then was making contact
to get medical examiner and fire reports. Woodyard and Westfall interviews sisters Cheryl and
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Wanda and Marvin Petty, and thenWoodyard made note the ground condition was soft
and would indeed provide false information asit pertains to boot size. Then Woodyard
states that Chris came into the Sheriff'soffice twice and per the examiner, showed
no signs of deception, and Chrisadmitted that he dropped Judy off at the
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gate in the area of the bootprint. So where is the other footprints?
Then if she did walk up thathill, there should have been some.
Whether they were big, small,indifferent, there should have been some.
And we have the questions that weregiven to Chris. Like I said,
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I believe that was in the secondepisode after the initial family interview episode.
He did come in twice willingly,but we don't have what he was asked
the second time for a third time. We only have what was asked the
first time. Yea, And Ihave those questions. I found them justin
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I can say them right now.So yeah, there were only three right,
Yeah, there were only three.And the three questions again were number
one, did he dropped Judy offat the bottom of the hill? Number
two, did Judy look okay whenshe was dropped off? And number three
did you see Judy go up thehill? Those are the three questions,
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And that was the like I said, the first polygraph, so we don't
know what was asked on the secondor third as of right now. And
Jen says, the second question isvery subjective, which it's a very good
point, It's very true. Yeah, And you know, it says,
did you see Judy go up thehill? And I believe he answered yes,
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but in my talking with him hesaid he did not see her go
up the hill. He just droveaway and he didn't look back. So
again, you know, it's justinteresting. And again Jen says, what
does it okay mean? Means differentfor everyone? Absolutely, absolutely. So
those are the three questions. Andagain, you know, I find it
interesting that they mentioned about the footprint. I think this came in mister Putty
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when you It says like when youshowed them the footprint that you had mentioned
you had found a footprint that youhad taken a photo of it using a
yardstick to show and Woodyard made thecomment in here that it would be hard
to get an accurate boots I isbased on the conditions of the ground at
that point. It was a prettyplane track. It was well printed in
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the reason why I drove from thebottom of the hill up to the top.
That's mainly I found a footprint tobottom only it was pretty mucky.
I didn't try to take any picturesof it before they went through the gate.
Then I drove to top of thehill and got out, and that's
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when I found footprint afterwards. Soall that distance in between there, there
could have been several prints. Butwhen did you make it all the way
up the hill? I drove upto top the hill on the day of
the fire, you meet it allthe way up. It was still burning
when I got there, about twofeet song the frame. Sure I can
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house mister Petty party, mister Petty, Yeah. Do you know what time
it was that you drove up thereand you found the fire? No?
I know it stay light? Sowas it really pretty early, say seven
eight o'clock in the morning, orI can't remember everything. I will say
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this um that I think, Yeah, that time of year in that area,
the sun's not going to come uptill seven thirty eight, So so
I do know, like, ifif it was daylight, it was probably
past eight o'clock. I'm just askingbecause I can kind of put a a
little bit of a time frame.Knowing what I know about the fire,
I can kind of backtray back,trace the time a little bit and get
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close to a time that it wasstarted. You know. I mean,
I'm not saying it to be onehundred percent, but it'll be plus or
modus, you know, a littlebit. I could kind of figure that
out. Yeah, it was aboutnine thirty. I think Ellen that word
that I'm seeing in reports of it, like called it in moving forward in
September, and this is September eighteenthof Later that year, Woodiard contacted the
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State Medical Examiner's office asking for reportsor photographs related to this incident. One
question they have left unanswered, perWoodyard, was their enough liver recovered for
the tissue to obtain a blood gas. Woodyard was told yes, that enough
was obtained to determine the content ofprescribed drugs in the victim's system. So,
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given the information and knowing the medicalexaminer ruled it a homicide due to
lack of carbon monoxide in her tissue. Woodiard wrote, at this time in
the investigation and with the evidence athand, there is no good proof that
exists which would indicate anything other thanan accidental fire which caused the death of
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Miss Petty. It would be myrecommendation that this file remain open inactive status.
Melissa puts a point in here thatsays, did he not read that
her level for C two was waybelow what it should have been. You
can't set an accidental fire and diebefore the fire starts. How does this
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make any sense whatsoever? And thengiving it an open inactive status after the
medical examiner has told him numerous timesthis is a homicide. It needs to
be and get it. Like youcan read it in the report. It
literally says this is a suspicious deathand needs to be investigated further. But
yet we have Woodyard who writes theexact opposite. Yeah, I found that
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statement well, and I will saythis too. There's three pages to this
and we have page three of three. I don't know where page one and
two are. Maybe they're on theirway. Maybe I misorganized things, So
maybe there's more to explain this.But based on everything we talked about last
week with Jennifer and we went throughthese different suicide accidental, you know,
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natural, I just find it likeincomprehensible that you have someone who says,
well, maybe this is accidental,Well, how the hell are you going
to start a fire if you're alreadydead because she has no carbon monoxide.
I mean, Allen, is thisludicrous? What's your thoughts? Oh,
I said it a while ago.I mean, it don't make a lot
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of sense. I've never seen somebodydo that that had no carbon monoxide or
whatever in their system, that diedfrom a fire. They're gonna have large
amounts of it. They're going tohave. And it's not just carbon monoxide
it's there. There are several othergases. You've got, hydrogen, cyanide
put off, You've got you know, it's just it goes the list goes
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on and on and on. Theydidn't find any of it. I mean,
there was nothing there. Plus theposition on where they found her bones
and stuff, you know, theway the body was found and the where
it was found, And it doesn'tmake sense. And yeah, how to
go on? What makes sense?Asked to Patty family. You know,
was she known to go in there? Would she had gone into that cellar
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that you know it never in themorning on two or three, four o'clock
in the morning. Was she hadgone in there for that? You know?
Would she have even gone to thefarm for him? I just I
don't know the suicide accidental thing.I don't buy I really right, right,
And that's what we've said to fromfrom the you know, get go
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and the more evidence we get tosupport this. So at some point along
the way, I believe it gotchanged from homicide to undetermined. Jin just
came into the chat and said sunriseon February seventh, two thousand and eight
was about right at about seven thirtyeight m. So that does help the
time for rame a little bit foryou, all right, So I think
that wraps up at least the firstsession of the case file. We have
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a lot more to go through.There's a lot of things here that we've
gotten so far. We've got theK nine reports, we have some other
evidence. I'm hoping that we canget some more. I've asked Doug for
photographs and things like that so wecan see the remains. I know,
Allen, you were wondering about thatwith how much stuff was in justin too,
how much stuff was on her.That can tell us a little bit
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more and we're hoping to get that. So thank you all for joining.
We hope this was fun. Allof our group was like so quiet,
quiet, but we appreciate you atleast, you know, joining and listening,
and I hope this was good foryou and Mom and mister and missus.
Patty, you have anything you wantto say to the group. I
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wanted to thank all of you foreverything you're doing. I know it wasn't
an accident. I appreciate everything,and I enjoyed listen to this. Didn't
know what's going on because we've beennot being told nothing for all these years,
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and I am so sorry for that. It was a Bolock's tape polish
stuff start with, and it wasnever tried to be correct, and it
just and now I told my wifethat it a little bit solved without some
other ones involved them because our policedepartment's not going to do anything. They've
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finished with it, and there wasfalls. We just lay there until they
brought because nothing's going to be done. So I said, we'll never get
her solved. We're hoping to changeand we're happy Alan as well. Thank
you for joining us. I wasgoing to say thank you to Alan too,
because I didn't get a chance tobefore. But thank you, thank
you, thank you for all you'redoing help us. It's like mom and
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Dad said, you know from dayone, Sheriff Meredith is the original sheriff
that was the one that was runningthe He said it was a homicide.
He knew it was, but politicsgot to play into it. And I
think any way I can answer thatis politics where everybody messed up. So
they just wanted us to go away. They wanted to cover it up,
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they wanted us to move on.I spent fourteen years making every phone call,
and every time I did, youcan just tell they just was annoyed
by me because I wouldn't go away. They just wanted it to be pushed
to the side and just go next. You know, I will say this,
you know is that Doug has veryhas been very helpful in giving and
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giving us what we've asked for.And also he's on board of saying,
listen, there were stakes that weremade back in eight oh nine, and
but we can correct them. Imean, there's not a good there's never
a bad time to go ahead andsay, well let's take a look at
this. And things weren't done then, okay, but we can do them
now, right. So I thinkthat that is awesome and I think that's
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what we need. And you know, to mister and missus petty, we
are here for you as I've saidso much before, and we've made so
much progress, and I our hopeand our goal is that we will find
who murdered Judy this year in twentytwenty three. There's something about the far
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always bothered me. Is because thedistance from the building to the house is
a greater distance than from the houseto the garage. There was a truck
in between there. The truck burnup and the garage wasn't touched, which
was a lot shorter distance. Soit had to be at least two set
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fars from the building and the househad to be set separated or the garage
who would have been burnt down too. How far was the garage from there?
Again, not very far, andit wasn't very far from the truck
and the truck and the truck wasdestroyed. It I dashing in it and
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boiled and had a lot of firefrom it, but it the garage wasn't
touched. Everyone in scorch board ornothing on that. I just couldn't understand
it. And I think too itdepends on I'll have to re look at
the photos as like the wind andall of that were the direction going and
that might have been maybe why Idon't know. Alan you could probably inswer
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this more than me as to thingsthat might have flown or ashes or things
based on the wind direction and wherethings were. I'm gonna have to look
at the pictures again. I didn'trealize that there was a garage it was
that closed, or that you know, that far from the house. But
I'll look at it again and seeif I can come up with an idea.
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It would the wind definitely, dependingon how windy it was, and
all that fire is one of thosethings that it's gonna do something different every
time. I mean, you can'tand and you know, me coming in
fourteen fifteen years later and not beingthere at the the you know, the
time that it was found and allthat, it's really kind of hard to
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stuffs moved around and everything. Yeah, and that's that's something else too that
I mean, I don't want tosit here and say somebody has done something
wrong, because I mean, Itechnology and the way things are investigated are
different now than they were in andyou know, and I just without coming
out and saying somebody really messed up, I'm not gonna say that, you
know, you know, I don'tknow, but I will take a look
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at it all again. I've gotall the photographs and the pictures and stuff.
I can do some measuring on thecomputer and you know all that and
kind of see you know where it'sat, how far it is, and
I know was it it was atwo story house, right, Yes,
that thing's gonna put off a lotof heat. I mean, when it
gets fully involved, it's going toput off a lot of heat. What's
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scorched and burned the truck? Youknow, I don't know, but you
would think if if the truck wasbetween it in the garage, you should
have scorched the garage too. Sothat's what I couldn't understand, because if
burns truck up, it was asa corner of the house, backed in
toward the house, Yeah, andthen not too many feet over to the
garage. The garage wouldn't touch.It was hard for me to understand.
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I'll definitely forget it out, Imean, that's for sure. I'll look
at it more closer. I waskind of looking whenever I first looked at
it. I was looking at whereher body was and the relation to the
house and all that stuff. SoI'll go back and take a look at
the truck closer for sure, andsee what I can come up with their
Hey, Alan, I think Iknow what Dad's trying to say. Is
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where they were trying to say thatthe wind is to catch fire, and
then this to catch fire, andthat to catch fire. What we were
saying is if that would have beenthe case, then the truck would have
if the wind was still in thesame direction, it would have definitely cast
the garage on fire too. Sosaying is there's definitely two set fires.
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One y'all believe is where Judy's remainswere found, and then the house afterwards.
But he just wants to I thinkDad's trying to say it's not it
has nothing to do with the wind, because it would have continued and got
the garage on fire and then thebarn on fire. That it was just
a set total sire, Yeah,you would think. Thank you for for
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saying that, mister Petty, andAlan will definitely take a look at it
and see what you know, hethinks, and and look at that whole
possibility. So we will wrap thisup before we do. Anybody, you
know, if you want to smileand we'll take a photo, we'll post
it and then um you know,this episode will be on this week so
you can listen, share it,and uh, you know, probably next
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week we had more of the casefile. We'll probably just you know,
do that ourselves. So you turnedfor cameras, She's like, I don't
want to be in the video photo. That's okay. Soon and then we
can you know, go over moreof the case violent and more questions,
so more to happen. We'll bein Parkersburg. We'll be back in February,
the first week in February. Sowe're going to plan to get together
for anybody in Parkersburgh who wants tocome out and meet us and get your
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shirts. Right, we got ourshirts. Mom and Dad got their shirts
on yay and a big hug.I can't wait, and so we're excited
about that. So all right,so thank you so much for joining this
episode of Safe Haven. Anything elsejustin no, I just again want to
thank everybody for joining us, especiallythe Petty family for taking time out of
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their Sunday and you know, answeringactually answering questions for us and talking with
Alan directly. And again, Alan, thank you for joining us as well.
And Jen too, she was inthe she was in the chat area.
She still contributed quite a bit.We appreciate everybody just joining us and
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taking the time on a Sunday.Yeah, it's first live episode for Zoom,
you know, I mean we canwe can plan more in the future.
We still have a lot of stuffto go through and a lot of
stuff to get but hopefully we getthe rest of it soon. And I
think we've made good headway. We'reseeing a lot of inconsistencies and things.
We have a lot more questions,which is only going to continue. And
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you know, we have I've beentalking with a lot of different people,
sources who are confirming things. I'mreaching out to more and more people and
continue to follow us on Facebook,and you know, feel free to leave
anonymous phone call or private message usat you know, private message one of
us and you can stay anonymous.But we are definitely making a lot of
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headway and hopefully, with Doug's helpand Alan and everyone on the team,
that we will find justice this year. And so mister and missus Patty over
there, we're not stopping right righthell no, all right, yes,
I would just like to say tothe Petties, God bless you, and
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hopefully we get uh we get somebodyconvicted to share. Oh Caroline, we
left. You're in our prayers.Thank you, all right, well until
next time here you guys later.All right, by guys, Bye everyone.
Ye love you all. I loveyou. Get haste to you,
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guilty in a court of law.Then we move on to February twenty fifth,
and Westfall spoke to Kathy Grant,who is James bonnet sister. And
we've talked about them before in thisepisode or in this podcast that we were
trying to locate, you know,James Bonnett and his sister, Kathy.
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Kathy supposedly had dated Chris back youknow, during this time as well.
And so Kathy was also bartender atthe Sundance Cafe in Dawson. So in
the reports, Kathy says that shewas not working at the Sundance on the
evening of the fire, but herbrother, James Bonnett had worked till close
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that night. Chris mentioned to Kathy. So Chris Cutwright mentioned to Kathy that
he had picked up Judy but wasonly going as far as Meredith Manor so
that continues to be the same thing. He says that Judy said that she
lived before Meredith Manor, so JamesBonnett also confirmed that Judy had not been
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in the bar that evening, soI know we've tossed that around and confirmed
this now in the case fails thatshe had not been in the bar,
so we can put that theory kindof to rest. James confirms that Chris
was in the bar that evening inquestion so the six. When asked about
how the topic of Judy came up, Bonnet tells Westfall that it was because
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they had seen the news coverage ofJudy on the TV and that's when Chris
said that looked like the person hepicked up and dropped off at the farm.
He also mentioned Chris was not adrinker or did not drink alcohol,
and neither did James, so weknow that that's not true. Based on
everything that we've known, is itsounds unlikely that Chris was not drinking,
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you know, that night or thenext night. So one of the things
that I want to talk more aboutis that based on the twenty fifth,
So when Westfall actually talks to Cutwright, Chris already moved out of Tom Sam's
house. So basically, we haveat least nineteen days maybe less, that
Chris leaves Sam's house after Judy's disappearanceand the fire. So that is interesting
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to me because we have at leastnineteen days, but it could have been
ten days, it could have beentwelve days. So all of a sudden,
Chris ups and moves out of Sam'shouse. And when asked about this,
Chris says that he left Sam's dueto thinking that Sam's and his soon
to be ex wife or having arelationship. He said, is that Sam's
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was telling her information. I foundthis interesting. You'll love this too,
justin that him and Sam's had cometo some disagreement so he left. Now
I'm wondering what's the disagreement. Prettysure it would be the fact he thinks
he's having sex would as soon tobe ex wife. I would. I
would assume that's a pretty big disagreementright there, right. But he mentions
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that though, and then says adisagreement. So it wasn't like he didn't
say I think my you know,it was like two things. That's how
I read it, Like, yeah, I think that him and my ex
wife, are you know, havinga relationship and that you know, we've
just come into some you know,disagreement, so he left and I'm just
kind of I mean, maybe that'sright. I mean that could be.
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But we also know that there wassome suspicion of things being stolen and things
like that. So right now I'mtrying to work on or find out when
Chris moved in with Sam's, soyou know, we have or the twenty
fifth. I'm sorry that he's alreadymoved out, So what's the time frame
of you know, moving in Andagain, you know, Bonnet mentions that
Chris was not drinking, and thatis interesting to me as well. So
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what do you think about all ofthis? Me and you are pretty familiar
with some of the inconsistencies and someof the falsehoods that are that are being
said by Bonnet and Cutwright and stufflike that. We've brought it up.
So the nineteen days is interesting.It's very interesting because why would he be
heading there if he's supposedly I don'tknow. My whole thing is, like,
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I'm more curious about when a Cutwrightsays that Tom Sam's was giving his
soon to be ex wife information onhim, Like what kind of information,
because that can mean a lot ofdifferent things, and maybe that's one of
the reasons he thought they were ina relationship together, you know. But
I'd like to hear anybody else's thoughtson that, you know. The other
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thing I have an issue with isif Chris knew and he does based on
what James is said, that Judywas the one he picked up because he
saw her on the news on theseventh, Right, she's already now on
the news on the seventh as amissing person. Why did he not go
to the police. The police hadto go to him. Now, let's
say he says, well, Ididn't know if it was really her.
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It was dark out. I didn'treally get a good look. But now
we have Bonnets saying the conversation cameup because she was on the news,
and he said, oh, that'sa girl that I picked up and dropped
off there at the fire. What'sthe likelihood? Well, and Chris Knewell
said the same thing, though,why do you have two people? And
he says, well, I didn'tknow if it was really her. It
doesn't matter. I mean, what'sthe likelihood that you pick up somebody you
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dropped them off? And it justhappens to be at the place of a
fire. I mean, why notjust call the police and say, hey,
I don't know if this was heror not, or a coincidence,
but he did nothing of that.What does the group think about that?
Any comments on that? I alsoknow he said so many different I mean,
you just changed your story on everything. I mean, he told us
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that he was kicked out of TomSam's house because of drugs, because Tom
was stilling his paint pills. Idon't know, it's just every time you
turn around, it's a different storywith Chris when he was there, when
he left, he was also dealingdrugs. Who was Chris whore he was
living at the time Tom Sam's place. Tom was dealing drugs. He didn't
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want the loll to be around therebecause he maybe some of his buyers would
show up at the same time,and he didn't morning around there because of
the situation. He was left therein the second day after we found her
remains. Yeah, we were toldhe was he was kicked out, or
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we were told he left days afterJudy was found. Yeah, to Tom,
I know where he went down theroad on the other side of Meredith
Manor. He wasn't there very longbecause the FBI supposedly was checking the party
out, So where he was at, it's a time a drug deal upon
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Meredith Manor. Yes, So misterPetty, how many days, um did
you so you went to Tom SAMs. Do you know that Chris moved out
two days later? You can confirmyou confirm that, yes, the pretty
much for the neighbor by. Theneighbor said that John Packer, Yeah,
yeah, they supposed to talk toTom SAMs, and they asked Tom SAMs
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three questions. I mean, theyasked Packers three questions about Tom SAMs.
Do you know what he's driving?Do you know where he's at? And
the other question I can't remember justwhat it what it was. That was
two questions asked three questions, andthat's always ask So we we possibly have
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Chris moving out at least two daysafter the fire. Yeah, she's gone.
That's interesting. So those are oneof the things that you know,
we found in the file that youknow it was at least the nineteen days
mister Petty saying that you know whenhe went talking or had heard that they
were talking to Sam's it was twodays and Chris was already out of the
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prop or out of Sam's house atthat point. I've spoken to Sam's.
He doesn't remember specifics the dates orhow long until you know, Chris was
no longer there. So I knowit's been fourteen years, but you know,
it's hard to get that. Ihaven't seen it in the case ball
yet, have you justed? Now? I do have in the file that
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just a statement that Sam's called thepolice and said that he did not he
was not going to come in fora polygraph. Yeah. Yeah, he
lawyered up pretty quick, yeah,which he said was due to other things
going on, which you know makessense. He had access to a lot
of drugs because he was on onehundred percent disability because of his back.
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Of course, he could climb atree in get up there and and hunt
and things like that, and chopwood. I seen him chop wood.
But he was under to say,so there's some shady things goes on in
this squirrel. Yes, there isa lot of stuff, absolutely right about
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that. All right, So nowwe moved to February twenty seventh. We
have Kaplan, who was the medicalexaminer, spoke to Westfall and told Westfall
he was ruling this a homicide.Westfall asked which evidence was needed to classify
it as such, and doctor Kaplanstated, due to the condition of the
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bones and the amount of damage causedby the fire, hoping we get the
MME report to figure out what hemeans by the condition of the bones.
That was a big question that Ipersonally had when I was reading through through
it. I'm like, why doeshe keep saying that, Like he doesn't
give any specific information. And thenlike later on in the case, while
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you can read where they kept callingthe medical Examiner's office trying to get why.
I mean, they kept asking him, like, why are you ruling
this a homicide? Like what onwhat grounds? And they just kept saying
the condition of the bones. SoI'm really curious to know what exactly they
mean by that. Personally, thatwas one thing that stood out for me.
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Westfall did know the medical examiner rulingthis a homicide. You know,
he's based on the based on hisreport. So what are your thoughts about
that? Yeah, so a coupleof things. I mean, I I'd
like to hear what Alan has tosay about that too, in regards to
the bones and if there was anythingthat that you know, it's very bad
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in the reports about the condition ofthe bones and why he thinks it's a
homicide. But you know, Ido want to say. I know in
a previous episode, we mentioned thatWestfall was shocked that this was ruled,
you know, homicide, or thatshe was dead before the fire. But
now we found in his reports hewas aware and he was asking why this
was a homicide because he didn't understandhow they were ruling this a homicide.
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So I will say, and wesaid this in the previous episode, Westfall
has had medical health problems. Hekept saying his memory is not the best.
So he would say, once youget the case foul, you know,
I'm happy to review with it.Maybe it'll drag my memory. So
could it be that his memory basedon things he's going through. Could be
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But at least now we know thatKaplan was deeming this a homicide back in
February of eight, So Alan,what do you think about that the bones?
The only thing I could think ofon the would be if they seen
some kind of marks or something somewherethey might have been from, say,
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knife marks or something like that thatmight have been left. But it's a
few of bones, that's what theyhad. I'm not one hundred percent certain.
I do know in the toxicology reportthat you know, they found some
liver tissue as well, there wasno carbon monoxide there, you know,
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there was nothing in that. SoI'm not a medical examiner. I mean,
I just I know fire, andthat's pretty much it. But I
do know that upwards above ninety percentof fatalities in fires are caused from carbon
monoxide and the fire gases and stuffthat you know, if they die in
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a house fire. She didn't havethat in her system. That's the immediate
red flag that says she was deadbefore the fire started. I just can't
buy acts. Then, I can'tbuy suicide. I can't buy you know,
any of that stuff because it justdoes not make sense. And we're
going to talk about that as weget through, because we do have,
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you know, statements from Woodyard andothers who believed this was accidentally. So
you know, when you when youinvestigate a fire, you want to rule
out all the accidental stuff first,because if you go into this saying,
well, you know, I'm goingto investigate an arson fire looking for arson,
you're going to find a reason tocall it arsenal. So I just
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can't see anything accidental when you gota body laying where it was laying in
a position that it was laying,and may and there's no carbon monoxide there.
None of that makes sense. Itjust doesn't add up. And again,
like I said a while ago,when we were talking about the path,
I go a lot on. Idon't want to say gut feeling,
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but I don't want stuff that makessense. None of that makes sense.
Estimate that she died during the fireit was a suicide, I just don't.
I don't buy. You know,she the suicide and then the fire
started later. I don't. Idon't believe that, Jen said she popped
into the chat. She said sheone hundred percent agrees with Alan on that
I do too. It all justdoesn't add up. So okay, So
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then you know, Westfall did speakwith Woodyard, stating he only got the
Parkersburg Police Department reports recently. OnAugust fourteenth. Westfall then was making contact
to get medical examiner and fire reports. Woodyard and Westfall interviews sisters Cheryl and
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Wanda and Marvin Petty, and thenWoodyard made note the ground condition was soft
and would indeed provide false information asit pertains to boot size. Then Woodyard
states that Chris came into the Sheriff'soffice twice and per the examiner, showed
no signs of deception, and Chrisadmitted that he dropped Judy off at the
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gate in the area of the bootprint. So where is the other footprints?
Then if she did walk up thathill, there should have been some.
Whether they were big, small,indifferent, there should have been some.
And we have the questions that weregiven to Chris. Like I said,
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I believe that was in the secondepisode after the initial family interview episode.
He did come in twice willingly,but we don't have what he was asked
the second time for a third time. We only have what was asked the
first time. Yea, And Ihave those questions. I found them justin
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I can say them right now.So yeah, there were only three right,
Yeah, there were only three.And the three questions again were number
one, did he dropped Judy offat the bottom of the hill? Number
two, did Judy look okay whenshe was dropped off? And number three
did you see Judy go up thehill? Those are the three questions,
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And that was the like I said, the first polygraph, so we don't
know what was asked on the secondor third as of right now. And
Jen says, the second question isvery subjective, which it's a very good
point, It's very true. Yeah, And you know, it says,
did you see Judy go up thehill? And I believe he answered yes,
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but in my talking with him hesaid he did not see her go
up the hill. He just droveaway and he didn't look back. So
again, you know, it's justinteresting. And again Jen says, what
does it okay mean? Means differentfor everyone? Absolutely, absolutely. So
those are the three questions. Andagain, you know, I find it
interesting that they mentioned about the footprint. I think this came in mister Putty
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when you It says like when youshowed them the footprint that you had mentioned
you had found a footprint that youhad taken a photo of it using a
yardstick to show and Woodyard made thecomment in here that it would be hard
to get an accurate boots I isbased on the conditions of the ground at
that point. It was a prettyplane track. It was well printed in
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the reason why I drove from thebottom of the hill up to the top.
That's mainly I found a footprint tobottom only it was pretty mucky.
I didn't try to take any picturesof it before they went through the gate.
Then I drove to top of thehill and got out, and that's
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when I found footprint afterwards. Soall that distance in between there, there
could have been several prints. Butwhen did you make it all the way
up the hill? I drove upto top the hill on the day of
the fire, you meet it allthe way up. It was still burning
when I got there, about twofeet song the frame. Sure I can
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house mister Petty party, mister Petty, Yeah. Do you know what time
it was that you drove up thereand you found the fire? No?
I know it stay light? Sowas it really pretty early, say seven
eight o'clock in the morning, orI can't remember everything. I will say
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this um that I think, Yeah, that time of year in that area,
the sun's not going to come uptill seven thirty eight, So so
I do know, like, ifif it was daylight, it was probably
past eight o'clock. I'm just askingbecause I can kind of put a a
little bit of a time frame.Knowing what I know about the fire,
I can kind of backtray back,trace the time a little bit and get
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close to a time that it wasstarted. You know. I mean,
I'm not saying it to be onehundred percent, but it'll be plus or
modus, you know, a littlebit. I could kind of figure that
out. Yeah, it was aboutnine thirty. I think Ellen that word
that I'm seeing in reports of it, like called it in moving forward in
September, and this is September eighteenthof Later that year, Woodiard contacted the
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State Medical Examiner's office asking for reportsor photographs related to this incident. One
question they have left unanswered, perWoodyard, was their enough liver recovered for
the tissue to obtain a blood gas. Woodyard was told yes, that enough
was obtained to determine the content ofprescribed drugs in the victim's system. So,
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given the information and knowing the medicalexaminer ruled it a homicide due to
lack of carbon monoxide in her tissue. Woodiard wrote, at this time in
the investigation and with the evidence athand, there is no good proof that
exists which would indicate anything other thanan accidental fire which caused the death of
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Miss Petty. It would be myrecommendation that this file remain open inactive status.
Melissa puts a point in here thatsays, did he not read that
her level for C two was waybelow what it should have been. You
can't set an accidental fire and diebefore the fire starts. How does this
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make any sense whatsoever? And thengiving it an open inactive status after the
medical examiner has told him numerous timesthis is a homicide. It needs to
be and get it. Like youcan read it in the report. It
literally says this is a suspicious deathand needs to be investigated further. But
yet we have Woodyard who writes theexact opposite. Yeah, I found that
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statement well, and I will saythis too. There's three pages to this
and we have page three of three. I don't know where page one and
two are. Maybe they're on theirway. Maybe I misorganized things, So
maybe there's more to explain this.But based on everything we talked about last
week with Jennifer and we went throughthese different suicide accidental, you know,
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natural, I just find it likeincomprehensible that you have someone who says,
well, maybe this is accidental,Well, how the hell are you going
to start a fire if you're alreadydead because she has no carbon monoxide.
I mean, Allen, is thisludicrous? What's your thoughts? Oh,
I said it a while ago.I mean, it don't make a lot
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of sense. I've never seen somebodydo that that had no carbon monoxide or
whatever in their system, that diedfrom a fire. They're gonna have large
amounts of it. They're going tohave. And it's not just carbon monoxide
it's there. There are several othergases. You've got, hydrogen, cyanide
put off, You've got you know, it's just it goes the list goes
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on and on and on. Theydidn't find any of it. I mean,
there was nothing there. Plus theposition on where they found her bones
and stuff, you know, theway the body was found and the where
it was found, And it doesn'tmake sense. And yeah, how to
go on? What makes sense?Asked to Patty family. You know,
was she known to go in there? Would she had gone into that cellar
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that you know it never in themorning on two or three, four o'clock
in the morning. Was she hadgone in there for that? You know?
Would she have even gone to thefarm for him? I just I
don't know the suicide accidental thing.I don't buy I really right, right,
And that's what we've said to fromfrom the you know, get go
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and the more evidence we get tosupport this. So at some point along
the way, I believe it gotchanged from homicide to undetermined. Jin just
came into the chat and said sunriseon February seventh, two thousand and eight
was about right at about seven thirtyeight m. So that does help the
time for rame a little bit foryou, all right, So I think
that wraps up at least the firstsession of the case file. We have
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a lot more to go through.There's a lot of things here that we've
gotten so far. We've got theK nine reports, we have some other
evidence. I'm hoping that we canget some more. I've asked Doug for
photographs and things like that so wecan see the remains. I know,
Allen, you were wondering about thatwith how much stuff was in justin too,
how much stuff was on her.That can tell us a little bit
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more and we're hoping to get that. So thank you all for joining.
We hope this was fun. Allof our group was like so quiet,
quiet, but we appreciate you atleast, you know, joining and listening,
and I hope this was good foryou and Mom and mister and missus.
Patty, you have anything you wantto say to the group. I
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wanted to thank all of you foreverything you're doing. I know it wasn't
an accident. I appreciate everything,and I enjoyed listen to this. Didn't
know what's going on because we've beennot being told nothing for all these years,
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and I am so sorry for that. It was a Bolock's tape polish
stuff start with, and it wasnever tried to be correct, and it
just and now I told my wifethat it a little bit solved without some
other ones involved them because our policedepartment's not going to do anything. They've
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finished with it, and there wasfalls. We just lay there until they
brought because nothing's going to be done. So I said, we'll never get
her solved. We're hoping to changeand we're happy Alan as well. Thank
you for joining us. I wasgoing to say thank you to Alan too,
because I didn't get a chance tobefore. But thank you, thank
you, thank you for all you'redoing help us. It's like mom and
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Dad said, you know from dayone, Sheriff Meredith is the original sheriff
that was the one that was runningthe He said it was a homicide.
He knew it was, but politicsgot to play into it. And I
think any way I can answer thatis politics where everybody messed up. So
they just wanted us to go away. They wanted to cover it up,
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they wanted us to move on.I spent fourteen years making every phone call,
and every time I did, youcan just tell they just was annoyed
by me because I wouldn't go away. They just wanted it to be pushed
to the side and just go next. You know, I will say this,
you know is that Doug has veryhas been very helpful in giving and
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giving us what we've asked for.And also he's on board of saying,
listen, there were stakes that weremade back in eight oh nine, and
but we can correct them. Imean, there's not a good there's never
a bad time to go ahead andsay, well let's take a look at
this. And things weren't done then, okay, but we can do them
now, right. So I thinkthat that is awesome and I think that's
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what we need. And you know, to mister and missus petty, we
are here for you as I've saidso much before, and we've made so
much progress, and I our hopeand our goal is that we will find
who murdered Judy this year in twentytwenty three. There's something about the far
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always bothered me. Is because thedistance from the building to the house is
a greater distance than from the houseto the garage. There was a truck
in between there. The truck burnup and the garage wasn't touched, which
was a lot shorter distance. Soit had to be at least two set
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fars from the building and the househad to be set separated or the garage
who would have been burnt down too. How far was the garage from there?
Again, not very far, andit wasn't very far from the truck
and the truck and the truck wasdestroyed. It I dashing in it and
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boiled and had a lot of firefrom it, but it the garage wasn't
touched. Everyone in scorch board ornothing on that. I just couldn't understand
it. And I think too itdepends on I'll have to re look at
the photos as like the wind andall of that were the direction going and
that might have been maybe why Idon't know. Alan you could probably inswer
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this more than me as to thingsthat might have flown or ashes or things
based on the wind direction and wherethings were. I'm gonna have to look
at the pictures again. I didn'trealize that there was a garage it was
that closed, or that you know, that far from the house. But
I'll look at it again and seeif I can come up with an idea.
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It would the wind definitely, dependingon how windy it was, and
all that fire is one of thosethings that it's gonna do something different every
time. I mean, you can'tand and you know, me coming in
fourteen fifteen years later and not beingthere at the the you know, the
time that it was found and allthat, it's really kind of hard to
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stuffs moved around and everything. Yeah, and that's that's something else too that
I mean, I don't want tosit here and say somebody has done something
wrong, because I mean, Itechnology and the way things are investigated are
different now than they were in andyou know, and I just without coming
out and saying somebody really messed up, I'm not gonna say that, you
know, you know, I don'tknow, but I will take a look
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at it all again. I've gotall the photographs and the pictures and stuff.
I can do some measuring on thecomputer and you know all that and
kind of see you know where it'sat, how far it is, and
I know was it it was atwo story house, right, Yes,
that thing's gonna put off a lotof heat. I mean, when it
gets fully involved, it's going toput off a lot of heat. What's
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scorched and burned the truck? Youknow, I don't know, but you
would think if if the truck wasbetween it in the garage, you should
have scorched the garage too. Sothat's what I couldn't understand, because if
burns truck up, it was asa corner of the house, backed in
toward the house, Yeah, andthen not too many feet over to the
garage. The garage wouldn't touch.It was hard for me to understand.
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I'll definitely forget it out, Imean, that's for sure. I'll look
at it more closer. I waskind of looking whenever I first looked at
it. I was looking at whereher body was and the relation to the
house and all that stuff. SoI'll go back and take a look at
the truck closer for sure, andsee what I can come up with their
Hey, Alan, I think Iknow what Dad's trying to say. Is
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where they were trying to say thatthe wind is to catch fire, and
then this to catch fire, andthat to catch fire. What we were
saying is if that would have beenthe case, then the truck would have
if the wind was still in thesame direction, it would have definitely cast
the garage on fire too. Sosaying is there's definitely two set fires.
(30:08):
One y'all believe is where Judy's remainswere found, and then the house afterwards.
But he just wants to I thinkDad's trying to say it's not it
has nothing to do with the wind, because it would have continued and got
the garage on fire and then thebarn on fire. That it was just
a set total sire, Yeah,you would think. Thank you for for
(30:32):
saying that, mister Petty, andAlan will definitely take a look at it
and see what you know, hethinks, and and look at that whole
possibility. So we will wrap thisup before we do. Anybody, you
know, if you want to smileand we'll take a photo, we'll post
it and then um you know,this episode will be on this week so
you can listen, share it,and uh, you know, probably next
(30:55):
week we had more of the casefile. We'll probably just you know,
do that ourselves. So you turnedfor cameras, She's like, I don't
want to be in the video photo. That's okay. Soon and then we
can you know, go over moreof the case violent and more questions,
so more to happen. We'll bein Parkersburg. We'll be back in February,
the first week in February. Sowe're going to plan to get together
for anybody in Parkersburgh who wants tocome out and meet us and get your
(31:21):
shirts. Right, we got ourshirts. Mom and Dad got their shirts
on yay and a big hug.I can't wait, and so we're excited
about that. So all right,so thank you so much for joining this
episode of Safe Haven. Anything elsejustin no, I just again want to
thank everybody for joining us, especiallythe Petty family for taking time out of
(31:44):
their Sunday and you know, answeringactually answering questions for us and talking with
Alan directly. And again, Alan, thank you for joining us as well.
And Jen too, she was inthe she was in the chat area.
She still contributed quite a bit.We appreciate everybody just joining us and
(32:05):
taking the time on a Sunday.Yeah, it's first live episode for Zoom,
you know, I mean we canwe can plan more in the future.
We still have a lot of stuffto go through and a lot of
stuff to get but hopefully we getthe rest of it soon. And I
think we've made good headway. We'reseeing a lot of inconsistencies and things.
We have a lot more questions,which is only going to continue. And
(32:25):
you know, we have I've beentalking with a lot of different people,
sources who are confirming things. I'mreaching out to more and more people and
continue to follow us on Facebook,and you know, feel free to leave
anonymous phone call or private message usat you know, private message one of
us and you can stay anonymous.But we are definitely making a lot of
(32:46):
headway and hopefully, with Doug's helpand Alan and everyone on the team,
that we will find justice this year. And so mister and missus Patty over
there, we're not stopping right righthell no, all right, yes,
I would just like to say tothe Petties, God bless you, and
(33:06):
hopefully we get uh we get somebodyconvicted to share. Oh Caroline, we
left. You're in our prayers.Thank you, all right, well until
next time here you guys later.All right, by guys, Bye everyone.
Ye love you all. I loveyou. Get haste to you,
take care of Bye
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