E21 - Our Thoughts On The Case At This Point

In this episode, Melissa and Justin are joined by Jen and Alan, to discuss where we are at this point and to share stories about working on the case.

Episode Transcript

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All right, welcome back to thisepisode of Safe Haven, the Unsolved Murder
of Judith Petty. You're here withme, Justin and I am joined by
of course my great co host Melissa, but we also have Jen and Alan
on as well to just kind ofdo some final thoughts. And again,
we are not done with this case, but we have exhausted information. We're

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not just going to keep regurgitating thesame points over and over again for the
podcast unless there's updates and stuff likethat. So how is everybody doing today?
Pretty good? Yeah, I'm happyfor all of us to be together
again. Yeah, we don't dothis too often. No, it's always

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good to see everyone and talk.And I think, you know, this
episode is really important for us toprovide an update to the listeners as to
what's been going on since our lastepisodes. And you know, we've had
meetings with Doug and Pat the PressKing attorney, so we wanted to kind
of get back together and let youknow what we can share as to where

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things are in the investigation right now. But also you know, kind of
talk about our thoughts over the pastyear and a half of working the case.
And so Jen, I mean kindof being the leader of you know,
the teams and putting this together.What are your thoughts on how things
are from the start till now.Well, first, I just want to

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extend my gratitude to you guys forall volunteering to come on board and work
this case the hardest it's ever beenworked and ever will be worked. I'm
confident of that, and at leastgiving the Petty family a little peace of
mind that their loved ones case wasinvestigated properly. So I really couldn't have

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asked a more cohesive, like dedicatedteam. I mean, you guys really
exceeded any expectation that me and Georgehad and so I just want to really
extend my thanks for that. Butit's also been like a journey obviously for
all of us. Every time Ior we take on a case. I
think there's a lot of lessons learned, which is good, and we'll pass

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on some of those today to thelisteners. It's like I said, a
journey is the best way I thinkI can really phrase what we've all been
through on Judy's case, especially youguys over the last year and a half.
So I don't want to take thefloor here, so I sort of
sat in the but I'm really inthe background helping us along the well.

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I just want to give a shoutout to Alan, man, Like it
started off with just you know,Jen and George and then Melissa and then
me and then it's been a pleasureto work with Alan this whole time too,
So shout out to the big guyover here. Yeah, man,
I appreciate it. Yeah, andthat was something too. You know,

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I'll let Alan, you know,talk about how you know he feels,
because we brought him on as youknow, initially as like a console,
you know, like, hey,an expert, tell us what you think
about, you know, the fireaspect, and then Alan just jumped right
in and was just so passionate andwas looking at everything and even not related
to the fire. You know,he was just providing such insight into thoughts

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and questions and have we thought aboutthis and this, And he made a
trip out to Parkersburg just to beable to go and you know, see
the seller and how important that wasfor him to see and meet the Putty
family. And so he became apart of the team and that's you know,
I think an amazing thing as webring more people together and more experts,

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and I think it really shows thatthe more people who work together,
I think, the better the caseis. And so, Ellen, what
are your thoughts about kind of joiningin as just kind of from the fire
aspect and then kind of taking beinga whole part of the whole thing.
It's been a whole lot more thanI expected. I was, just like
you said earlier, I was justthinking about when I first got into it,

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about being, you know, justlike a consultant like you said,
and kind of given my two centson everything, and then ended up giving
a whole quarter of my ideas ofit all. And but I appreciate the
opportunity that you guys were giving meto do this. It's it's it's turned

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into something that I really enjoy toin like to do, and I hope
you guys let me keep doing it. Helping you guys was because it's it's
pretty awesome. And as far asfar as the uh is, the petty
is this as lend or Judy's casegoes, it's something that you all know

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how I feel about it, andI think that a lot of the listeners
do too. But it's really unfortunatethat things went down like they did before
we got a hold of it.And I just told something that we've done
is give the Petties some peace ofmind and a little bit of closure,
because being the dad of a daughtermyself, I can't imagine what they've gone

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through for the last however many years, fifteen, sixteen, whatever years it's
been, And I know I wouldwant hope somebody like you guys would come
along and help me find some closureif something like this ever happened to my
daughter. I knew you're in itfor the long haul. And we had
that conversation abouttom motorcycle that burned upthings like an hour or two hours long.

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Man, I was like, this, dude's in it to win it
right now. Yeah. It waswhen stuff just kind of sticks out like
that, you know, you know, yeah, And I agree with your
sentiments on the Petty family as well, like I couldn't imagine, and you
know, I kind of don't wantto imagine what they've been through. It's
not only sixteen years, you knowexactly. It's horrible. That's kind of

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why we do what we do,you know, just try to help as
much as we can. So yeah, well, and I think from the
start to where we are now.We have made tremendous progress right and moving
the case forward. And when wefirst started, you know, even the
Petties didn't have the case file.So if we go back to that,

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you know, all of these thingsthat we've done, and getting somebody assigned
to actually work the case right andgetting it to the Press King attorney and
getting assigned with Doug, and there'sbeen a lot of wins throughout this whole
journey, and that's because of thegreat you know, work that the team
is done to get it to thatpoint and then to go through all the
people who whose names were associated withbeing responsible for Judy's death, and then

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to finally land with in a circleof a particular family. I think that
that is really great work. Ithink that that, to me says that
we've done what we wanted to do, which was find out the truth as
much as we could and give thePetties of an investigation that a full investigation

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that they've wanted for sixteen years.And I think that that's exactly what we
did. So we you know,this podcast is is just kind of a
final kind of wrap up of ongoingepisodes so that we're not going to be
putting out episodes every week at thispoint. You know, I just got
a tip the other day, soyou know, as long as tips are

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still coming in, I'm still investigatingthem making phone calls. So please,
if you have any information, pleasefeel free to still reach out. But
we wanted to just kind of leteveryone know where we're at at this point.
It is in the prosecuting Attorney's officehands and that's all that we can
do. So we did meet withPat and Doug, the whole team did.

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We presented all the information, allof the stuff that we have gathered
over the last year and a half. They were very receptive to the information.
They were getting it all along.Anyway, Let's be clear, we've
been working with Doug and this wholetime, but we kind of compiled everything
for them, and for Pat tocome on and talk to the team,

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I thought was really remarkable that hetook the time to come on and talk
and answer our questions. What dideveryone think about that? As a pres
king attorney, I'll be honest,I wasn't on the call, but I
do find that respectful. As longas they are also keeping in contact with
the Petty family as of now,and going forward out that'll be probably the

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measure of respect to where going forwardI think is the big deal for me
with them in the Petty family,I was really pleased with it, and
I've just been overly pleased with theirlevel of communication and their willingness to share
their case foul and obviously they trustus. I mean, they've said that
it's really the ideal working relationship,and it's kind of the epitome of what

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we've been working towards with this conceptof our team. And I'm hoping,
you know, that this case willset the standard and an example for other
law enforcement agencies that they can trustus and share information back and forth,
and that you know, we're onlyworking a case for the best interest obviously
of the victim and their family,but that law enforcement agency too. It's
not we're not competing. We're tryingto augment them because you know, I

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don't know how many people you've talkedto, it's got to be over one
hundred. Probably they don't have timeto run around, you know, or
make all those long calls. Theyjust don't, And but we can make
time in our schedules and help themwith stuff like that. So I'm hoping
that this this, like I said, we'll set the standard for future relationships
and on cases that we take ondown the road. Ellen, what did

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you think about that meeting? Ithought it was really good. I agree
with what Justin said. I justhope they continue to stay in contact with
the Petties. And I think withDoug, I know he's as passionate about
this as we are. I mean, he's he's proven that, you know,
he's come along and gone out therewith us and ripped a tire or
off of his car going up thehill that day, and you know,

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and everything else, and he justI think he's he's wanting justice for him
as much as we are. SoI know that they're going to do everything
in their power to make sure somebodypays for this. I definitely agree.
I think that, you know,that's all that we have wanted. And
Pat and Doug Bull said and praisedthe team for the amount of work that

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was done for them, of effortthey believe, you know, I don't
want to put words in their mouth, but they seem to agree with our
assessment of what we have come upwith as to persons of interest. You
know, people who could be associated. They they see what we see.
So now it's you know, they'reworking and the Petties are working on options.

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So the Petties have some options thatthey're considering and pursuing in regards to
you making sure that justice has served, and we obviously can't talk about that
piece of it. But you know, one of the things, Allen,
I really like that you said inregards to, you know, in regards
to Kim, who continues to nottalk, you know, to this point.

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I really like what you said toPad and to Doug about her conscience
and what did you say. Well, and this goes out to actually not
just Kim, but there are severalpeople out there. You guys know who
we're talking about, and if you'relistening to this, you know who I'm
talking about. But we were alltalking before we before we started this morning.

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The Good Lord gives us everybody aconscience and in our mind, and
the one thing that all of usand the Petties and everybody else can do
that the ones that I was talkingabout can't do, is we can go
to bed at night and go tosleep and have a clear conscience about this.
You people that know what's going on, every one of you are going

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to have this to deal with forthe rest of your life, and you're
going to have to look over yourshoulder from now on because you never know
who's going to come to us andsay, hey, I know this for
a fact, I know what's goingon, I know where this is,
I know where that is. Thetruth always comes out one way or the
other, and it's going to comeout one of these days. You folks

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that are involved in this, you'regonna have to worry about that from now
on. Because lock Melissa said awhile ago, just because this is a
wine down for us on this podcastdoes not mean that we're shutting this investigation
down. We've just exhausted everything thatwe've got so far. The tip line's

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still open, we're still taking tips, we're still taking you know, comments.
If anybody comes forward with it,we're gonna investigate it. So you
just remember that you may think yougot ahead, you may you may think
you're in the clear, but justremember you got to look over your shoulder.
And I think it was interesting.I think it was the Golden State

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Killer or Michelle mcamara who talked aboutwhenever there's a knock on your door.
You're going to wonder who it isand it is it that time? And
that's my message to Kim anyone else. Every time there's a knock, I
hope you wonder if this is thetime. So the other thing I want
to mention real quick is Jennifer postedon our Facebook group about a phone call

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that she received at work when shecame onto the podcast. And the one
thing the reason I want to bringthis up is I think it just goes
to our point of people who tryto divert or try to you know,
they take the time to call Jennifer'sboss, right, Jennifer is the daughter
in law who lives in Billy's house, who went and saw him in the

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hospital and all of that. Itappears at WIS Kansas who called Jennifer's job
and tried to get her fired,basically saying she led on the podcast that
she was talking bad about her job. All of this nonsense, which back
then her boss never brought it upto her, never say anything. They
said it was petty. They listenedto it, didn't see Jennifer get anything
wrong. But it gets my goatbecause the fact that you can call about

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a lie on a to someone else'sjob. But the fact you can't pick
up the phone and talk to Dougwho called you, and you had to
check with your mother first and youstill haven't called. What does that say,
right? The fact that you areso worried about someone lying on a
podcast about whatever, but the factthat your family is being mentioned as having

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something to the murder doesn't concern youas much as it a lie on a
podcast. I mean that to mejust goes to show the level of pettiness
that they have, but also justtheir guilt. I mean, I don't
know, and I have made apost about this in the group before,

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but just as a reminder, likeI take full responsibility for every action that
this team has taken, and ifyou have a problem with it, you
come to me. You don't gotrying to get somebody fired from their job.
You come to me with your complaintand I will handle it. We
will talk. We can even goto the legal team at the university if
you want. I have very goodmmunicationwith them. If you have any issue

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with this team, you come tome. I'm easily accessible. You can
email me on the tip line,you can message me on Facebook, Twitter,
whatever, I'll give you my phonenumber, but I'm not going to
put it on the podcast, butanybody can message me and get my phone
number and we'll talk. So knockit off. Like this is we're talking
about a homicide case. You know, this isn't a game, and this

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team has put thousands of hours anddollars into this case and we're not going
to have someone running around in thebackground trying to sabotage those efforts. So
I feel like we need to getJennifer Dion Sanders shirt. It says ain't
hard to find across the front ofit, right. Yeah, it was
just insane. When I just toldme that, I thought, oh my

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god, you're going to call abouta lie on a podcast, but you're
not gonna You have to check withyour mom before you talk to Doug,
right, I mean, that's justinsanity. But those were air quotes,
not that anyone can see. Butyeah, you know, that's kind of
where at right now. Like Isaid, I just got a message,
a private message this week about atip. I will follow up on that,

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so continue, you know, tosend things in. And you know,
Doug was actually going to hopefully joinus on this podcast, but he
couldn't do to some other things goingon, but the fact he was willing
to come on that was great andthat they were willing to meet with us.
And one of the things I wantto mention is, you know,
Pat and Doug were very complimentary ofour team and all that we've done,

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to the fact that they even saidthat they would help the next case give
us a recommendation. So even thoughthey haven't been up front and center,
right they're not on the podcast,they're not they're willing to go on record,
they're willing to, you know,give us recommendations. And so just
because you don't see them, weare very much together. And I think

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that that's important for people to knowthat are kind of wondering, like,
well, they haven't knocked on mydoor or they haven't, don't worry,
it'll happen. Yeah, And beforeI forget, I will keep the tip
email up for quite a while longer. But it's tips at Justice for Judy
dot com and the four is thenumber four. And as a reminder,

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it's confidential. So if you don'twant your name revealed, which we totally
understand, but you have information,you can email that tip email. I'm
the only one who has access toit. I will strip your identifying information
and just pass the content that youwant no one about to Doug and Pat
so you can remain confidential and youknow, if you have information, you

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don't have to worry about being outed. We don't do that. And so
I'm still in communication with Doug Moore. He's never going to get away from
me, so you know, don'tworry about that anyone. It ain't going
anywhere. We're BFFs, and soyou know that that's still going to remain.
So I will continue to pass informationonto him as I as I get

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information. So that's kind of wherewe're at. And we just wanted to
let you know just because I've hadpeople message me like when's the next podcast?
When is the next you know things? And people are wanting updates,
and so we just want to letyou know that, you know, we
the next time we will you know, do an episode is if we have
significant updates that we feel we wantto let you know regarding this case.

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But we do appreciate everyone listening,following along in the past year and a
half joining the Facebook group, wehave a huge following. We've had lots
of listeners the past year and ahalf, great support. You know,
we did the raffle the benefit toraise more money for the case. I
mean just great. Overall, Parkersburgmedia has been awesome to us, w

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TAP, the Sentinel, everyone inParkersburg has been very welcoming and supportive of
our efforts, and so I thinkthat goes a long way. It's been.
It's been a pleasure for sure.And if you'll allow me, if
listeners are craving another act of investigation, George and I are, well,

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really all of us are involved init. But we have a second investigation
going on on a case out ofWashington State. Our victim is Linda Malcolm.
She was killed in two thousand andeight. She was stabbed twenty four
times and then our house set onfire. We have a good working relationship
with that law enforcement agency as well. We're not as far along in Linda's

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case as Justin and Melissa are onJudy's, but we're getting there. So
if you want to help us onthat investigation and follow along, the Facebook
group is Unsolved Murder of Linda Malcolmand it's featured in season three of Break
the Case podcast. Yeah, absolutelyyou can. If you are getting tired
or if you want to follow activeand since you're not hearing you know this

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craziness every week, you can goover and listen to Jen and George craziness.
But you know, we'll keep youupdated, you know, if we
when we go ahead and you know, take another case look at things,
we'll let you know so that youcan follow along if you choose to you
and help us on that. Everyone'sbeen great and helpful in Parkersburg. So,
but before we end this episode,I have a question for everyone.

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You ready, let's hear it.I don't know. Okay, all right,
I'm good. Let's go two.Actually there're two, all right?
Justin first question, what's your bestmemory of the investigation of the team in
the past year and a half?Hanging out with Marvin. I didn't even

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have to think twice about that hangingout. What was your what was the
most disappointing or sad part of thewhole investigation. There's a lot of I
can't really say disappointing because I thinkover the last i'd say a year and
a half, you know, Imean, doing this kind of stuff,

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there's always going to be things thatyou feel are disciple pointing, but in
reality, they're only disappointing to you. You know. It's a I know
that might sound like some word saladright there, that doesn't make sense,
but I think all of us canrelate to it on a certain level,
you know. But I sad wise, I would have to say the first

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time we interviewed the family, I'dprobably say the very first zoom zoom call
when all of them were there.There was like ten or fifteen people there,
I'm pretty sure, and just hearingthe story from them that, you
know, kind of it kind ofgets to you. And then another sad

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one was when Joan was in thehospital and we had that zoom call with
her. That one, that onegot me, like it didn't get me
on the call like you, Melissa, but as soon as I hung up,
I was that just it got me. It got me. But that's
a probably probably it for me,I suppose, Ellen. What's your fun

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funniest memory. Probably when we weregoing up the hill with Doug and he
ripped a front tire off his carand everybody had to get out and push
and everything else to get up there. But but yeah, that was the
funniest one. Yeah, yeah,what what was what's one of the moments

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that we're sad for you or kindof really got to you. The part
that really got to me, especiallyon my end, was when we finally
finally got to the top of thehill and I actually got to go off
into the cellar and walk around downin there and look at things and realize
that, you know, I thought, surely I can go down in there

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and find something, But when youget off into that thing and get to
digging around it's been you know,however many years, and just laid there
in the open and and realizing thatI didn't know what I was going to
do, you know, And youknow I told you that that day we
were both just kind of walking aroundlooking and thinking this happened here, and

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this happened here, and this isthe only way that this could have got
to this, and and then realizingthat so much of this well it that
part just getting off in the cellar, going and talking. The night that
you and I went and talked tothe petties when we kind of started putting
a lot of pieces together and wefigured out what's going on, and we

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and they were all having a familyget together that night. You know,
and they'd been cooking hot dogs andhamburgers, was all sitting outside playing board
games and stuff, and you andI went over there and told what we
thought, and they just it waspitiful the way they all broke down,
and I just I just felt forthem, because I mean, my family's
a lot like that too, we'reclose. I just kept thinking, what

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if this was me? You know, what if it's my family, what
if this was you know, likemy daughter whatever, And uh, that's
the part, like Justin said,that's the part they got me. Was
something like that, you know,just dealing with the family and and Marvin,
you know, talking to him,he was he's really, like Justin
said, he's a really cool dude. I mean, I like talking to

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the guy. He's It's something totalk to those those older folks like that
because they got a different perspective onlife than what we do now. And
it's just it's neat to talk tohim. I love when he, mister
Petty, gave you a hug andthanked you that he could finally sleep at
night. Yeah, yeah, Iwill never forget that quote. Yeah how
about you? John? Was thefunniest moment. I was trying to think

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one funny moment. I don't knowwhy this sticks out, but remember the
first time we went to the farm, we were waiting down to the gate
for the family, and those chickensor was it a rooster. It was
Jenn's rooster, now it was.We were just cracking up over these chickens.
Oh, and then the chickens ranacross the road. That's what was

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funny too. Why did the chickenacross the road? Anyway, I don't
know why I found the hilarious,but I did. But I think this
is I think probably always the hardestpart for me as many crime scenes as
I have been to in my life. Every time you go to the space,
the last space that the person occupied, and you're sort of essentially like

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you're not literally breathing the same arism, but you're right there, that is
always so hard for me. Ialways learned something from it, it's always
instructive, but it's just it's soit's just so heartbreaking to, you know,
like to go down on that cellarand be the last place that she
was and think about what she probablywent through, and that's just so so

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difficult for me because she was alone. I hope that she wasn't aware of
what was going on, but wedon't know, you know, but she
was out there all alone, cold, and that's just it just really really
haunts you. And just the crassnessof this crime, for someone to just
have that little care, have nocare for this human being who did nothing
wrong, you know. I thinkthat's aside from the hard conversations with the

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family and the tears, that's thatwas the hardest part for me. And
you know, the place that shehated the most, right, and that's
what's true, the irony of them. But well, for me, I
would say I have so many funnystories. I loved it. I mean
I have from like riding with Dougand all the banter and then justin taken

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him to Starbucks and all of thatnonsense and like just a nonsense is the
perfect word for it. And theStarbucks run. We tried two coffee shops
before that, and one was whatcash or card only or something cash only,
and then the other one was closedand we had no other choice.
I'm like, fuck, here wego, you know, And then all

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I wanted was a large black coffee. That was it. That's it.
Unless it just couldn't believe it.Yeah, the guy at the counter was
laughing though. He's like yeah,He's like so many like just funny moments
and like trying to walk that hilland you know, we uh riding with
dog all the time and talking hisear off, and then like Alan with

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the ticks, and then you know, Alan's freaking out and has ticks.
His brother has ticks, and thenI think I have ticks, and then
Doug's like what are you doing.I'm like, I have things, I
have ticks. He's like, wellI break out. I mean, just
tons of fun threatening to steal Kansas'sdog. I mean it was all great.
I mean I forgot about the dog. I forgot going to the police
station and they're like, oh,you don't have to go through the metal

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detector. Just like, what isgoing on here? Never in my life
does that happen for real. It'slike over all great thing, you know,
and then of course it's not justin this case. On a side
note, before I talk about what'ssad, because I don't want to necessary

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to end on that, but likejust our encounter with Preston with the Gretchen
Fleming case, I mean I thinkthat that is just bonkers that were there
investigating a murder and here, youknow, talking to an individual that you
know, weeks later is a suspectin Gretchen Fleming's disccurrence murder and the fact

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that he was texting me, andyou know, it's just like like what,
how does that happen? Like whatare the odds that were there for
that? And then that happened?And so I know that Parkersburg very much
is working very hard on Gretchen andhopefully something soon will be coming out.
But yeah, I mean, tome, that was like a crazy twist
and all of this, Like whenwe saw his photo on the TV,

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like, dude, we're like,that's a guy from the bar. What
that was bizarre? Crazy? I'mlike, yeah, o oh my god,
he's been taxed me. Yeah,he asked me what I'm doing this
weekend. Yeah. But you know, so that was just like an odd
thing in this case. But Ithink the saddest thing for me overall,

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there's so there's been so many sadmoments which happened right an investigation. But
you know, I echo when wehad you know, told the Petties what
we felt happened with all the informationthat we got that was really difficult,
but I agree with you know,justin it was thinking that we were going

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to lose Mom Petty sooner than anybodywould want in her surgery, and having
that call with her was just,you know, got wretching. It was
she looked beautiful and she was happy, and it was you know, we
weren't sure what was going to happen. It was very risky, and I

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think for us as a team thatwe wanted to give the Petties answers,
and we wanted to get them asclose to the truth as we can possibly
give them, because we have talkedmany times that they're not they're older,
right, and we just never know. And that's been the goal of this
team from day one, and Ifelt like we were wanting to make sure

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that we got to that point sothat they feel like they have enough information
as to what happened. So forme, that was really the most difficult
part of this whole thing was that, Yeah, I think people forget the
emotions that get attached, Like evenat my regular job with the sheriffs,

(31:38):
I mean, you go out tothese crime scenes and it's emotional for us
as investigators, even though we doit day in and day out, and
with a cold case, you know, whether it's through a natural law enforcement
agency or what we do here,you know, as volunteers. It's like
you put poor your heart and soulinto these cases and people don't think about
what goes into it from our side. And it's not you know, I'm

(32:00):
not saying this to be like,oh, you know, our emotions are
more important anybody else's. It's notthat, but it is a very emotional
process, and you get very attachedto your victim and their family. In
most cases, we won't go intoa couple of games or yeah, well,
I mean if you have a familylike that, yes, exactly.
But you're very lucky. You know. We're all human too with emotions,

(32:22):
and there's days where we me andMelissa just broke down and cried on the
phone together. So it happens.I've personally seen Melissa c right probably times
in the last year. That's okay, I mean, it's okay, it's
all human. We're all we're youknow, I try to, you know,

(32:45):
I just bottle it up in thislittle spot that's really healthy. Talking
off the ledge, He's like,how many white clothes do you have?
Tonight. Calmed down, calmed downgirl. Yeah, So so those are
you know, and those and thosehow that goes. But I just wanted

(33:05):
to kind of, you know,go around and just kind of look back
on it and say, you know, we did a damn good job.
Team. We really related and Iam. When we started this, that
was all the Petties wanted was athorough investigation and to find out as much
as we could. And I thinkwe did that and now it's it's kind
of out of our hands at thispoint. In regards to the law side,

(33:30):
We're not law. But we haveprovided everything and we will continue to
pass on information. And like Isaid, the Petties are looking at their
options as well. There are optionsfor them. I would just always remember,
is that knock at the door.It ain't always want to be the
pizza guy. I was pizza allan. I was just thinking pizza. We

(33:52):
must be on the same I'm gettingready to go eat some pizza here.
Oh my god, that's so amazing. I have to pick up the chips.
And also on the way that awesome. Awesome. Well, we thank
everyone for listening and falling along.It's been an amazing journey for all of
us, and we appreciate all ofthe safe Haven crew. And like Jen

(34:13):
said, if you want to followtheir podcast, you can go on over
there. You can find it atBreak the Case and you know, provide
them with the awesome insight and supportand conversations that you've done for judus case.
So any last parting words team nowjust people, you know, feel
free to join the join the Facebookgroup and our cover photo photo in the

(34:35):
Facebook group for Judy's case is youknow, it's got the information to reach
out to us phone number, tipline, all that tip email, everything,
and you know, just keep talkingabout it. Like I said,
we're not done. We just can't, you know, regurgitate. There's a
lot of podcasts who are investigative truecrime who will go, you know,
fifty episodes and say the same thingsover and over and over again, and

(34:59):
it's it's a little bit redundant,and it's you know, unfortunately some of
this some people view this stuff asa business and it's ad revenue and all
that kind of stuff, but that'snot us. You know, there's two
hundred and sixty thousand plus unsolved casesout there still and you know, after
the holidays, you know, We'regoing to concentrate a little harder on Linda's

(35:22):
case and see what's next up forthe team. But now I just want
to say I appreciate the way everybodyworked together and stuff. I had not
known Melissa before this. I hadworked with Jen for two three years probably,
and met George through her, andI just like how everybody worked together
and talked together. And sure there'ssome frustrating moments and everything like that,
but overall, you know, weall have the same goal in mind.

(35:45):
So yeah, I appreciate you guys. Thank you for all your hard work
and dedication. Like I said atthe beginning, I couldn't have asked for
a better team, So thank you. M L S. S.