SO EP:638 I'm Not Ready For This!

 In this episode, Brian  welcomes Mike from Florida, a member of the Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group, to share his experiences and insights on Bigfoot encounters in Florida. Mike recounts his first sighting near Homosassa, Florida, which led him down a path of extensive Bigfoot research. He describes multiple encounters, including sightings, physical evidence like footprints, tree structures, and even what felt like infrasound attacks.

Mike discusses the methodologies he uses in his research, such as gifting and vocal mimicry, and the variations in Bigfoot characteristics across different regions. The episode also touches on the emotional and psychological aspects of these encounters. Overall, Mike's detailed accounts provide a compelling look into Bigfoot activity in Florida and the broader implications for understanding these elusive creatures.

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00:00 Welcome and Introduction 00:50 First Encounter: A Life-Changing Experience 04:28 Processing the Encounter and Skepticism 06:42 Diving into Bigfoot Research 07:56 Second Encounter: A Terrifying Experience 14:42 Tree Structures and Evidence 19:07 Another Encounter with Bigfoot 24:40 Terrifying Encounter in the Woods 25:20 Calling for Help 25:58 Run-In with the Police 27:09 Sharing More Experiences 28:07 Strange Sounds and Sensations 31:34 Psychic Connections and Dreams 38:44 Gifting and Interactions 43:38 Theories on Skunk Apes and Sasquatch 47:06 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
I've been on for most of my life. Ever since
I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and
wild men while spending time with my friends and family.
As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,
my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over the tree.
I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence, and name was dead once you hit the ground.
I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my

(01:26):
dog coming over the fence. Are you reporting we got

(01:47):
some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you
see what it was? It was enough out here looking
them do the one going now? And I don't need anything.
I don't want to go outside. Just fight. Hello, hit

(02:10):
the fuddy out here? What quin I'm out there? I
thought of a bit just about taking foot nine. I
don't know. Easy an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Right, folks.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I want to welcome our guest to the show. It
is Mike from Florida. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Hey, how you doing brother?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I am good. This has been a long time coming.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
We got to hang out doing the Okalla Bigfoot conference
down in Florida. We are definitely going to get into
some of your experiences in Florida. I always love it
when I have people on the show and they say
there's no way that there's any bigfoot in Florida. If
you think that going into this episode, I guarantee you
when you finish, you're not gonna think that anymore. So
welcome to the show, man. I am so glad to

(02:48):
have you here. Let's start where I start with everybody
that comes on the show, What in the world got
you interested in bigfoot sasquatch skunk ape.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
To begin with, thank you very much for having me
part of the Mid Florida big Foot Research Group. I'll
get into that little story on how that happened. That
kind of came after I had already got into it
a little bit myself, and I'll tell you before this,
I'm not gonna say I was a disbeliever, but I
had no reason to believe it one hundred percent up
until my first encounter. So it was probably about eight

(03:18):
to nine years ago, on my way to go fishing
with my best friend Jason, and we were going down
to Holla Sas of Florida. It's a very popular area
for scalloping and fishing down there. I have another ramp
that I use that takes you there's a really really
public one, and there's one I use which takes you
back down this road called Old Mason Creek, and it
winds back in the middle of nowhere. About three miles

(03:41):
down that road you go through a real thick area
with a bunch of winding series of best curves like
you can look from this curve and see down. Took
the fourth curve as I'm coming around my buddy, he
was looking at the window. I was looking for deer.
This time of morning. It was about six thirty in
the morning, but at that time of year, the sun
was just starting to peek over the top of the trees.
Coming down, I got about to that series of curves

(04:01):
and to the left side of the road. It was
up ahead, probably a good seventy five eighty yards about
a third curve up. I saw a big look like
a dude coming up from the side of the road.
As I'm coming up close to the curve, he's coming
up and he's already now, he's already onto the road,
and he took another step and was like in the
middle of the road, and right when he stepped in

(04:21):
the middle of the road. The light from the trees
coming to the sun was coming up from behind the
trees behind it. It did it like a silhouette. It
was the craziest thing. He went from dark shadow guy
to cinnamon like he turned cinnamon, and as he walked
more into it, it couldn't really see him. It lit
him up for a minute and then he was gone,
and then it was just like the hair follicles from

(04:42):
behind it. The picture saw a shadow walking in front
of light and that hair like moving. It was quick,
but I'll never forget that silhouette of the hair he
stepped in. I came around the curve and as I
come back, they go back to where I could see
where he was at. He was already gone. I stopped
jumped out. My friend's like, what's going on. I'm like,
you didn't see that? It's like see what I was like,

(05:03):
you didn't see that thing that just walked in front
of us. He's like, what thing? I was like, dude,
I don't know what that was. But it was like cinnamon,
reddish brown colored with hair, and it was every bit
of seven foot tall. He's like, what do you think
you saw? Bigfoot, and I'm like, I don't know what
the heck I just saw, but it just walked right
in front of my truck. How did you miss it?
And we're not ready to get an argument over it.

(05:24):
He's like making fun of me and everything. And I
didn't realize at that moment how much that affected me.
And that moment literally changed my entire life because I
went home. At first, I walked around and looked. I
didn't see any footprints. I didn't see anything. I wasn't
really knowing what I was looking for back then. I
was just in shock still what I just saw. My
brain didn't want to process it. So we went did

(05:45):
our fishing trip, and like the whole day, I was
thinking about it, and I went home. From that moment forward,
the thing I could go into and find out about bigfoot,
I was doing it. And then I started going out.
I wanted to prove to myself that I know what
I saw, and I wasn't lose in my mind. I'm
not a big hunter, but I'm very familiar with Florida.
I grew up here forced generation in our woods or

(06:06):
different type of woods. Are swamps are a little different.
I know you've been out of them before. I've grown
up in it, and I thought I had seen everything here.
There was a c That's what really got me. You're
leaping forward after that.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
It definitely does one of two things without fail. When
people have an experience like that, especially a class a
encounter where you actually get to see one of these things,
it sends people in one of two directions. You either
run screaming for the door, saying screw that, I don't
want any part of that anymore. Once was enough, or
you go down the rabbit hole. I've known you well

(06:39):
enough to know that you definitely went down the rabbit
hole full board. Let's go back to the siding for
a second before we move into some of your other
research and into your experiences when that happened, when this
thing stepped across the road, was it immediate for you
that you knew what you were looking at? Did it
take you a second to process? And how long after
the encounter, because I know this was the big thing

(06:59):
for me when I had my experiences last year. After
that happened, I'm still frankly processing what I saw, and
things will come to me in the middle of the
day when I'm working on a podcast or something. I'll think,
oh shit, I remember seeing this, and I didn't even
remember it at the time when I had my encounter.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
How long did it take you to process.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
In the moment and after what you really saw, after
you obviously got past the point of your friend making
fun of you. Did that affect you as well in
the moment to have someone was a friend of yours
immediately respond that way when you had the experience, Wou'd say.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
In that moment, it definitely affected me for a while
afterwards too, because I still have a friend of mine
to this day that even though he knows that I've
gone out and found very good evidence of things, we
don't put anything out that's fessionable for a reason. Even
though all this is there and he's seen all the
stuff we've done in our popularity grow, he still thinks

(07:58):
I'm a lunatic. Well, we're like I've done the guy
thirty year. We literally has messed our friendship up a
little bit over it. That is where it is. He
sees his things his way and I see him my way.
He's one of those that he only believes what he
sees in front of him, and that's fine. He's entitled
to his opinion. He's one of those people that he
can't change unless Bigfoot walks up and grabs him out
of his tent. When it first happened, it definitely took

(08:19):
me a while to process. I didn't know what the
hell I saw because at first my brain sets look
at that guy walking up from the side of the
road because he was solid shadow. The sun is just peeking,
so it's still pretty dark. It had a perfect dark
silhouette with him walking up, and as soon as he
got up to the road, he hit that spot and
it just was like bam. My whole brain did a hold.
What how does something that big disappear that quick? I

(08:40):
couldn't see his face if you pictured his son's back here,
so all I got was his arm when he came
out hit the light and it turned him that centiment color.
But when I hit the shadow, it was like silhouette again,
so I don't have a lot of detail.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you definitely went down the rabbit hole. You started
going into the documentaries doing the armchair research stuff. When
did you make the determination that I want to be
the boots on the ground. I want to go out
and look for evidence of these things. Talk a little
bit about that process and obviously go into your encounters
once you started going out and doing your research.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
I grew up in an area in what's the Chapel
Pasco County, Florida, a rural area back there, and there's
a game preserved back there that is a ninety eight
hundred acres basically ten thousand acres, and there's a creek
that starts back there, and that creek runs right through
the middle of it down through Hillsborough County. It runs
into Tampa, but that creek directly runs into Hillsboro River,
which goes over to Polk County and the Green Swamp

(09:36):
and that whole area. That's real big hot spot, which
I didn't know any of this back then. As a kid,
I used to go out and that the well field,
just like fish in the cree. I mean, a couple
buddies would always go out there and go hiking and
running around. Of being kids teenagers out there running around
in the woods and stuff. I always got creeped out
when I was buy myself out there. After that incident happened,
I'm like, that is the perfect place for one of

(09:57):
these things to be. If something's gonna be out there.
That's where one could be because the preserve is almost
ten thousand acres, which in Florida, that's a big area
the way Florida's building up, so happens to be that
dis preserved is dead smack in the middle of the corridor,
which I didn't know back then either. The first time
I ever went out by myself was my second encounter.

(10:19):
The area is you got to get back there, drive
to the gate and then there's one paved road that's
one lane that swift Mud uses to go back and
check on their pumps and stuff. And then other than
that this there's nothing back there, no motors, no hunting, nothing.
You got to take your bike and ride a bike
back there about two and a half miles, three miles
back to the creek, and then it's another mile back

(10:40):
through trails to get to where I wanted to go.
So I went in there. My bike was making too
much noise. You remember, back then, I'm thinking, I gotta
go full camo fool everything I think outside the box
about stuff. Sometimes I thought, go in the middle of
the day. If these things are supposed to be nocturnal,
just like a deer, you sneak up on deer easier
the middle of day when they're bedded down. I'm thinking,

(11:02):
I'll go out there in the middle of the day.
I'm gonna sneak up on these things. I'm full camo.
I get out there, I walk the rest of the way,
and I get to the trail that I wanted to go,
which is part of the creek goes right into it.
I went to the thickest part of the cypress everything
I could find, and that's where I wanted to go.
And I go in there, and I follow this little
trail that goes back to the four wheel trail, and
I found a little tiny road that went to the right,

(11:23):
and I start walking it, and I found these two
little bare footprints, one in front of another, and I
was like, what the hell are kids doing back here? Barefoot?
Way back here? This is how I thought. And then
ahead of me was a tree that was crossing the
path this way, and another tree that was crossing the
path this way, right in front of where those little
footprints were. About halfway down the trail, I got to

(11:44):
that tree, those two trees, and everything in my gut
that tells you not to do something went off and
do not cross that tree. These are putty or for
a reason, you're not supposed to go over there. I'm
gung ho. I've been in Florida my whole life. That
scares me out there. I stepped over to the other one.
Took about three steps time. I found a footprint that
was probably about fifteen inches long. And I was sitting

(12:07):
there looking at that footprint. Oh my god, this is real.
And about the time I'm looking at that, have you
ever heard anything fall into pal meadows? How loud it is?
That loud crash? Well, this is middle of the day
in June or July somewhere around there, summer, no wind blowing,
no nothing, and it's dead, still hot. I looking at

(12:27):
that footprint heard just fun it to me. It sounded
like something used a tree to get up, it broke
and fell into the palmitdes and I was like, oh shit,
it was loud. And then this gurgle started. If you've
heard a big male alligator is the closest thing I
could get to what it was close to. It was

(13:01):
deeper than a big male alligator's bellow. And it kept
going and I was like feeling what it was doing.
I literally didn't want to look it was. It couldn't
have been more than twenty or thirty yards away from me.
It wasn't far. It was right there, and I didn't
want to look at it. I turned and I'm going
to talk to it. I said, I'm leaving. I'm sorry,
I'm leaving. I am scared shitless, Brian, and I've never

(13:23):
felt the fear that I fell to that moment as
a grown man. Terrified, dude, I can't run because that's
a predator. Probably, I don't know what that is right there.
I get up to the road. Now, now I got
to walk a half a mile out after this happened,
I turned left to get on the main trail. I
start walking, so it was over here. I take a step.
It takes a step, and I hear another step. I

(13:43):
would take a step. They took steps. Every time I stopped,
it stopped. Oh my god, it's following me. I got
tears watering up in my eyeballs. As a full grown man,
I'm not coming out of here. I'm gonna die back here.
If I pissed this thing off, it's gonna kill me.
I started walking. I keep going and I heard something.
It was sticks, they were freaking throwing sticks at me.

(14:04):
They were throwing them, and they were hitting the trees,
and one of them laying on the tree on in
front of me. I'm still got my butt fucker walk
going and I keep on going, and I swear I
saw something to my peripheral go by, and I'm thinking
that's it. He's going up. He's flanking me. He go
ahead of me. I'm done. I made it to my bike,
got on it started peeling out of there. Nothing ever happened.

(14:24):
I got out to the main little paved road, peddled
my butt off. I got back to my truck. Right
when I get off my bike, I threw up and
then my head started pounding so bad. For four days,
my ears felt like they were swollen. I got zapped.
I didn't even know what it was, but I think
one hundred percent got zapped.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's interesting you were saying that you got sick as
you got back to your truck. The first thing I
was thinking, was it an adrenaline dump. You started talking
about the ear thing and then the feeling of possibly
getting hit with infrasound. It's interesting because I I have
interviewed quite a few people that have felt like they
have been hit with infrasound zapped as you said it,

(15:08):
the reaction seems to be the same with everybody. Is
this overwhelming fear and then it's either something going on
with the insides, the ears and the nausea in retrospect,
I think you already answered the question, but do you think,
looking back now, that's what it was. Do you think
this thing might have hit you or multiple things might
have hit you with infrasound and that's why you had

(15:29):
this reaction? And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
I definitely do so important to say. I've had two
bad experiences, and the two bad experiences I had were
my fault. And I didn't know that then, but I
know that now, and those two experiences changed the way
I did the research, the way I did everything from
now going forward. Ever, I really haven't been too much
in the woods by myself since these things happen. You
know that one's scared me. That freaked me out a

(16:01):
little bit, but I still couldn't stop, Like now, I
really had to know what the hell that was. Because
I knew what it was, I knew I had gone
out to do what I wanted to do and I
found it. I'm not crazy. I know I'm not crazy. Now,
I went back to that same spot with my buddy
one time, with two of my buddies. We found some footprints,
we found some brave We got yelled at by something
in the middle of the night, which was terrifying, and

(16:23):
that was the last time I really did much out
there because it's so hard to get back in there.
It's patrolled at night by an arm guard. Didn't know
that until that night, and we were politely asked to
not go back there anymore. Why is that area patrolled
by an arm guard at night? Who works for the government? Weird?
I've been back there a few times, I can tell
you out of all the places I've been. David Sidodi

(16:44):
and ISRT guys, they're the first people I ever really
went out with. I took them back there to that spot.
Now was the first time I met that group, and
we did some really good pictures. So David thinks I
was the first person to ever find an inverted tree
in Florida, an inverted cypress tree. It was like about
a fifth foot long cypress tree with the root ball
sticking up in the air, and it was right off
the main trail that took you back to where that

(17:05):
encounter happened.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's another thing that fascinates me, man, and I want
to talk a little bit about that. I want to
get to all your experiences, but I want to talk
about some of the things that you're finding down there,
because that kind of stuff fascinates me. Because I have
found a rather large tree. I'm pretty sure I put
the picture in my first book. If I didn't, I
know I've at least posted it online. It was a

(17:28):
large pine tree, probably twenty to thirty feet long, with
the root ball end of it stuck into a hole
in the side of a bank. Oh wow, right here
on our property, just randomly. I discovered it on a hike.
And I've seen weird things like that in other places,
some weird tree stuff up in Radium when I was

(17:48):
there a couple of years ago. Before we get into
some of the other experiences, while we're talking about that
really quickly, are you guys finding a lot of what
people would call tree breaks or tree structures or lean
to TP kind of structures down there? Are you finding
that kind of stuff it's weird.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
It's almost like a cut off point in our area.
Our main research areas in central mid central Florida, Pasco County,
Hernando County, everything basically from Mayaka north. We find tree
structures all the time. We find very unique ones. Marie's
really good at finding the glyphs and different things. I
didn't even realize before I was with the group I

(18:24):
would find these things. I didn't really think too much
of them back in the day. There's so much that
I wish I would have known back then. Brian. They
would blow your mind, like the amount of footprints I found,
and I didn't realize how rare it was to find
these things. I found some really unique tree deals in
our main research area. One of the first things I
found in there, there was a tree like this, a

(18:45):
tree like this, and another one that didn't even come
from there that was braided in the middle of it.
And it wasn't from that. It was like it was
brought over and there was only one that was in
the ground and like the other one has been pushed over,
and the other one was brought over and it was
like braided in between it at the top of that
and this is going right above a game trip but
there was only two active trails to get into that spot,

(19:05):
and right on one of the main game trails, that
braided tree goes up and it goes up probably about
twenty five foot up at an angle like that, and
at the top of it there was palmetto fronds, pieces
of oak tree, all different types of trees up there.
It looks like a blind almost like a hunt and blind.
It was perfect. If someone's sitting up there, could jump
down onto a deer or something below really easyly. The

(19:26):
coolest thing I ever found, though, was a trip wire.
I found a trip wire if you want to look
about these things being intelligent. Kind of jumping ahead a
little bit. But the area that I'm talking about is
an area that I've been going into for almost four
years now. I know it's a family group in there,
and we've interacted a lot with it. A lot of
amazing things that happened back there, about thirty yards from

(19:48):
that braided tree off that road. What it is, you
got a fence line back there. You got to walk
down the side or walk down the side to get
to the very back of it. It's owned by the county,
so there's not not just a piece of property is there,
but it goes directly into the preserve, the same preserve
that I had my other encounter happen. It's the same preserve,
just on the other side of them. It's all still

(20:09):
part of the same preserve, all where all this happened.
Walking down that trail, if you were going to set
up a tripwire, if your trail's going like this, and
you got a trail going like this, if you're standing
right here and something's running a deer down their way
right here is about a perfect place to put you
a tripwire. There was a tripwire about thirty feet across
a vine about three quarters of an inch and it

(20:30):
was two and a half of it off the ground,
perfect deer height where a deer would run into it
if it was being flanked into it or running into it.
The vine was perfect like it was like you did
it with a level. It was went around one tree
around another tree, and it had a stick in the
middle and the stick twisted and held against the tree
to keep the tension on it. And it was like

(20:51):
and you couldn't see it. It was a vine. I'm like,
this is a trip wire right around the corner from
there the same spot, there's that trie you turn and
go this way to get out, and it's like a
freaking obstacle course, trees leaning up against the fence. Everything's
all kind of weird, And I used to think it
was for me, for other people to keep humans out. No,

(21:12):
that's the slowdown animals man, so they can hunt. It
makes sense. Your damn things are smart, dude.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I've definitely heard of not a trip wire, but I've
definitely heard of other obstacles and things that people thought.
These things were putting up in perfect choke points in
an area where they would take down deer or other
big game that they might be chasing. So you may
be onto something there. All right, let's get back to
the experiences. Let's talk about that other experience that you
were teasing us about where you didn't have a great

(21:40):
interaction with these things.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
So my son goes with me and does a lot.
I've taken him on quite a few trips. We've had
some cool things together. We had gone fishing the day
before this happened. Had a weird experience happened that day.
We were fishing part of the creek. It's also part
of the same creek, but this is a whole different
area of that creek down in a whole other county,
very very remote and hard to get into. But we're

(22:04):
back there fishing, and told them I want to taking
fishing on one who little squashed at the same time.
We're back there. If you've heard bard owls before, everybody's
heard bared owls. Well, we're sitting there. The creek runs
like a Z and there's a bush right here. You
can't see past back behind it, so you we're fishing
right here, you can't see until you get around that bush.

(22:24):
You can see back where it goes and makes an
X kind of curve. So we're sitting there fishing. What
the hell's going on? It sounded like twenty different owls
all in one group going on, but it didn't quite
sound like owls. They created me out a little bit,
and I'm like, you know what, it was the first
experience I'd have with him with me. We're sitting there.
A couple minutes later, he starts dead. I see something

(22:45):
and I'm like, quit messing with me, Kale, and don't
mess with me, because there he is a get haling dude.
And I do a theory started crying. Man, you started crying.
He got really upset, and I'm like, what did you see?
He's like, it was looking at me. It's there and
they're looking at me behind the tree. And I'm like,
all right, we're gonna go. We're gonna leave now, because

(23:06):
you know, I'm still learning this whole thing. So I
take him back later that night. I'm like, hey, buddy,
I was like, would you mind drawing draw a picture
of what you saw? He drew this little illustration was perfect,
with this little peeking out looking at him. He said,
it looking like a big guy. And he saw about
two feet of it stick out and go back. He said,
then it went back again and went back. So now

(23:27):
I've got it in my mind. I'm going there the
next day. From where I had to get into there,
there's a creek that runs through, so the only way
to get to it you can't cross the creek. We
got ten twelve foot gaters in there, so I had
to go all the way around. It's about four miles
by the time I get all the way around back
to where this is at. Well, I took my dog
with me, Miiley, just me and her. I get back
into that spot and now I know I'm close to

(23:48):
where all those sounds were coming from. I found a
footprint right in the middle of this little it was
like a beach sandy little trail going in. I found
one print. I found another print. How did you get
the measure them? But i'll around thirteen or fourteen, But
they were fat and wide. If they had a funny
shape to them, they weren't a normal shape. I took
some pictures of them. I don't know why, but I

(24:09):
just wanted to go onto the trail. My dog was stiff,
and that's what it was, and I just followed her
nose and there was a game trail going into the woods,
and I followed that back in, and I knew that
actually went directly back into where the creek was. If
we were standing and looking at the other side of
the creek had been in that area. So we go
on there it was, and we got back to it
and I found a clump of trees. There was three

(24:29):
palm trees, and those three palm trees were leaning like
this about the saying. On the right side of the
palm tree was a piece of wood, a tree that
was completely skinned, no bark on it, and it was
supporting the side of that like this underneath it. Over
here it was dug out under the roof. Ball palm
trees don't just flip over. It didn't happen too easy.

(24:51):
There were none other trees knocked over, nothing but these
three trees. And I pictures, but these three trees were
leaned over like this. Underneath it was dug out, and
it looked like a silhouett of a big body had
been in there, almost see the dips where it had
been sitting. And my dog went off in there, just
found smelling around. And I'm a horrible photographer, horrible videographer,

(25:11):
whoever you want to say. I'm bad because I'm adhd.
But it makes me good at bigfooting because I'm all
over the place. So I didn't realize it at the time,
but i'm recording, I'm like, oh my god, I excited
them all over the place. I caught something on film.
I went back. I had my buddy Tim slowed down
the film. Mike, I see something on your film. I
go back and look at this picture, and there's not

(25:31):
standing in beside this tree that I didn't know it
was right inside of me and my dog. I slowed
down even more and I got a profile this thing
sitting like this, looking away like he was going back
behind the tree. We estimated a size comparison when Stacey
Brown came with me him this camera guy one time
back there, Brian, his camera guy was six two, speaking
him up to his belly right the exact spot where
it was at. This thing was nine foot tall, which

(25:54):
goes directly into that same day, before I had that
the pictures, me and my dog had left that spot
and walk back out to the main trail. I wanted
to follow farther back in there, I found a nineteen
inch footprint. I didn't get the measurement on how much
ahead of it was, but there was another footprint, and
I have pictures of them. They were nineteen inches by
ten inches wide. I could look like the back had

(26:15):
pushed his weight off of stepped down. The whole heel
went about two inches thick of mud that popped up.
It was pretty wet and back there had been raining recently.
And next one you could see wasn't all grass and
it was just a perfect silhouette of a footprint. Right
then and there, the radar went off again, just like
it did when I was in those trees. U huh,
I ain't doing that shit again. I got goosebumps right

(26:35):
now thinking about it. My brain said, nope, you're not
doing it. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get my pictures.
This is amazing. Those footprints are aiming that way and
something's over there. I'm not going there by myself. I'm
gonna come back with my friend. Well, I'm getting my
pictures and everything. My dog she locks up and she's
just staring at the woodline. Picture if you will. The
woodline from the trail is about twenty five thirty yards,

(26:59):
but you can't see into it because it's probably ten
foot tall twelve foot tall of thick bush. You know
how Florida gets real dens in areas. So I couldn't
see into it. Out on top of it, I could
see three or four trees that were coming up. She says.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
There.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
She starts doing this low growl, and she growls, and
then I swear to god, one the trees went and moved,
and I'm like, what was that? And then I heard this.
To me, it sounded like a stomp because boom, like
it's something stomped the ground. Boom and that tree went
and then third or fourth time, all the way over

(27:34):
went down. This thing let out a sound between a
yell scream growl type of sound. She turned and almost
broke her leash trying to get away. She turned and
didn't want no part of the same thing. Yell, I'm sorry,
I'm leaving. I'm sorry. I called my best friend, the
only person, one of my friends, the only one who
knew where I was at because I was way back
in here. Nobody's gonna find my body, is what I'm thinking.

(27:56):
This damn thanks pushing the trainer's pot tall. I am
not ready for this. I just found bootprints this big
and now this thing is shaking a damn tree again,
right in the middle of the day. It happened again,
same way. I called him and I'm like, hey man,
he's what's wrong. I'm like, just listen, shut up and listen.
Remember I told you where I was going on the map,
and I was like, yeah, I went back there. Something's

(28:17):
back there, just pushed the tree over. I don't know
what to do. I said, if I don't come back
at twenty minutes, you don't hear from me, send the
police to my location. He's like, you're really scared. I'm like, hey, yes,
I'm scared. So I made it back to my truck
and there's two officers sitting there at my truck because
I had parked across the street from a fancy neighborhood
and walked into a power line run to go back in.

(28:37):
They thought I was hunting back there. So now I
go up to these officers. I gotta go freaking sea officers.
Now my eyeballs are like this, I am terrified. I
probably look like I am on something meth And they're like,
what are you doing back there? I'm like nothing, I'm
just walking my dog. I look at a crackhead. So
I ended up talking to him and they're like, what
are you really doing back there? I told him, I'm

(28:58):
to be honest with you. I was looking for a
big I've had some stuff happen. Now I want to
go back and research in this area. I want to
do nothing more. Nat He goes, that has to be
an on storage, and nobody would tell me that. Do
you know how the people are here? I said, I
get it. It's like they think you're hunting data, worried
about their house, this and that. He goes, try and
find another way go into where you're going. I don't
think you're doing nothing wrong. We'll have a good day.

(29:19):
That was encounter number two.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Every good Bigfoot encounter ends with a run in with
the cops. How can you make that shit up? It
had to be a true story, right.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, exactly. It's gonna be honest with you. I was
looking for Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
He's like, what Honesty is definitely the best policy. Keep going, man,
I know you've had other experiences. Why you've been out
with the groups. What are some of the other experiences
that you've had that have stuck out with you during
your research?

Speaker 4 (29:44):
After those two experience, Leslie's getting the crap out of me, man,
I was really timid to go by myself. I still
am sometimes, and I know I'll have more happen if
I'm by myself.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
be right back after the ease messages.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
I know it's going to happen. All the craziest things
that have happened. I've seen some of these things before,
Brian right in front of my camera in these areas,
and it's only for a second, you know, And none
of it's really treadible. Maybe you got something in the
video that goes like this from a tree and that's it.
I saw it. It was right there. It did it.
I know what happened. I had one time, I know
there was three. One peaked up, another one peeked up,

(30:23):
and then I peeked out this way from the tree.
They were right there, all together, a girl, little group,
and then they were gone. And the more I went
in these areas, it was like the more they made
direct sounds, well, I'm not going to say that they
wanted to come out and hang out with me, but
they definitely were tolerating me. And then I started taking
my son in there to more and with me, and
that's when things when I got crazy, like especially with vocalizations.

(30:44):
I learned a lot from these areas. I don't know
what it's like around you guys, but here's what I've
learned as far as when you come into a new area,
you go into a brand new area, one of the
first things that happens where they're at is you hear
a set of bargells go off right when you get
in the area. Then back a ways back you'll hear
and over here you'll hear it's usually like twice. You

(31:08):
hear it middle of the day, no matter when you go,
you hear those bardows go off and then dead silent,
And when it gets to dead silent mode, they're there.
You know they're there and they're following you. I swear
that's what it is. It goes that dead silent mode
you don't even hear mosquitoes buzzing, and it's like they're there.
But there's some areas where like where I had the

(31:31):
first encounter, a bad one. I've been in there before,
and whatever's in there, I think he's a gigantic alpha
male and he's got a presence about him, and he
doesn't like people. I don't think he wants you around there,
and he lets you know it, he makes you feel it.
But this family group, it was like, because I was
in there with my son and being nowhere in there
like I used to be, I started mimicking the sounds

(31:52):
that I heard when I would go in, and I
would basically let him know it was me. So first
time I walk in, I started hearing just it, nothing
more than that. And then you hear another like different
tones of not big loud howls, just little hoots, like
they're just communicating with these little tiny hoots, letting each
other know where you're at. So I walk in now

(32:14):
every time I come in and I wait a lot
of times i'll hear way back out in the woods
or in the swamp or something out here. But that's
me letting them know, Hey, I'm in, I'm here at
your house. I'm coming in. I'm not coming uninvited. When
we went to Walhington State, I learned that from Thomas Seawood.
He's the one that told me that. I learned so
much from that guy. Man, he was so awesome. He's like,
you're going into their house. How would you feel someone

(32:35):
came into your back door and just walked in? And
it made so much sense. I'm like, that's why they
scared me and ran me off. They did their job,
but they didn't hurt me. If they wanted to, they
could have taken me out. They didn't. I got warned
and I learned my lesson. The weird part now is,
ever since I've been zapped, I swear to God, I
don't know what it is, but I am so sensitive

(32:56):
to these things, especially in the woods when i'm in there,
my ears start getting almost like when you have your
finger in your ear, that pressure feeling. When I'm around them,
whatever that energy is, I pick up on it now
and I couldn't do that before, but now I can,
and it's strangely accurate. It's crazy how accurate it is.
I've been out there with friends and had thermals on

(33:17):
and picked up heat signatures from where I said there's
something at I don't have an explanation for it. It's
just like that now. It's like they did something to me.
When it hit me, I'm so sensitive to it, and
we joke around. It's like a beacon going off. I'm
being pooled to where they're at, and it's always effective.
We always find stuff whenever I do that.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
That leads me into another question for you that I
like to ask pretty much everybody who actually goes out
in the woods and has experiences with these things or
seeks an experience with them, is how do you deal
with some of these stranger things. I think Marie and
I have had these conversations a couple of times with
some of the odd things that have happened in the
woods to her and some of you and your group

(33:58):
orbs and other things that you've experienced. I guess the
question for you is have you experienced some of this
weird stuff that would be considered wo or high strangeness
and how do you approach that in your research and
how you look at the subject and look into the subject.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Okay, so I'm glad you asked that because I don't
always talk about that stuff, just because I believe the
physical part more than anything, but I can't deny the
wu part that's happened, the fact that we have psychic
friends that have told me things are going to happen.
I believe our friend Phyllis. She's one of the first
people she walked up to me. I met her at
one of the converts. I never knew who this woman was.

(34:34):
She just walked up to me. She said, I have
a gift I have to give you. It's going to
help you with your dreams. And I looked at her
and cross eye. She's like, they're going to help you
with your dreams. It'll help you understand them. What how
does this woman know I was having dreams like I
started getting these random dreams, like they were the most
vivid dreams you've ever had so vivid. They led me

(34:56):
to Google Earth, where I found these spots that I
can't in at and these spot where I found this
group that I've had all this interaction with. How is
that even possible? But it happened. It's like I'm supposed
to meet that group to learn from. I can tell
you it's something that they helped me. And I don't
have an answer for it, Brian, but they helped me.
I was depressed. I was severely depressed for a while.

(35:19):
Me and my son mom separated. I was going through
a really really bad time and one of my dreams
they said, come here will make you feel better. I
remember going there raining a little bit. It was grizzily out.
I went out there and just sat down on this log.
I didn't even want to be around anyone that knew nothing, man.
I was just completely down. And I'm sitting on that
log and this sound came through the trees and it

(35:42):
was like a sound I never heard before, and it
carried and it like went through me, and a couple
of seconds later, another sound from farther over this way,
the same sound but deeper, came back and it went
through me. I stopped feeling sad. I started feeling happy.
It was like I was being part of something that

(36:02):
was so cool. I don't even know how to explain it.
And they only did it that those two times, but
I could hear things moving around, I could hear things
going on. I don't know, man, it was almost like
they accepted me to be there and helped me at
the same time. And I have no idea how they
did it. So that's my womb part.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
That's definitely out there. But to me, those kind of
things aren't outside the realm of possibility. If that is
your experience with these things, and that's not the only
one of those kinds of experiences that I have.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Heard people talk about before.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I've had my own weird experiences with them, and I
am open to just about anything when it comes to
these creatures, because there are so many different types of
experiences that people have. I think it has to do
with personality. I think it has to do with what
you're there for.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
In a way.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I've said this before, there are people out there who
say things like these creatures choose who they show themselves to.
I think that's a bridge too far from me. But
I do think very much like other animals. Dogs, for example,
I always go to dogs because I'm a huge dog lover.
Dogs are intuitive in ways that people aren't. They pick

(37:12):
up on people's energies, they act differently. I've said it
to people I know other people that are dog owners.
You've probably said it to people. If my dog doesn't
like you, I'm probably not going to like you. Because
there's a reason, right, there's something to that. I don't
know what the science behind it is, but there is
something that they're able to pick up on. And that's
why I look at these creatures very similarly to dogs,

(37:35):
for example. Not that by any stretch of my saying, sasquatch, bigfoot, skunk, ape,
any of these things are domesticated, So please don't send
me emails saying I'll compare them to a domesticated animal.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
They know your intent the moment you walk into the woods.
They know if you're good or bad. They know if
you're a good person or a bad person. They pick
up when you're positive or negative energy. I strongly believe
that one percent. Here's something that's really ironic as well. Well,
you know who else is really good at that? People
on the spectrum. I'm adhd my son Adhd and has

(38:07):
selected mutism that he's came out of, but he's on
that spectrum. Daniel Barnett. A lot of people I know
that have had experiences are high energy, ADHD, autistic or
something on that spectrum. People that have they pick up
on good and bad energies themselves. I can tell you
who the bad guy is in a movie instantly. I
can tell you if you're good or bad when I'm

(38:28):
around you for a few minutes. You know what I mean.
I pick up on it too, and I swear that
is another thing we're able to communicate with them. If
you're on that level, I think your brain is just
wired a little different. I do things that aren't always
right and it works for me, and I feel like
if you're on that level, maybe that's why. And it
makes a lot of sense. A lot of people on
that spectrum have interactions with these things.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
It happened to us last summer when we had our
experiences out in Washington State. Ryan RPG Goldinbski said, after
those experiences have happened, he felt like it was because
of the team.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
The people that were assembled there. It was a special
group of people for.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Us individually and collectively, it was a special group where
we're doing something that we felt was special. We were
filming this documentary for Daniel. You mentioned Daniel Barnett. We're
filming My Bigfoot Life documentary, which is ironically not.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Really about Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's more about his journey and autism and being on
the spectrum and his looking for this creature and finding
a family. Is the story behind My Bigfoot Life, which
hopefully will be out before the end of the year.
When Ryan said that, I had that internal eye roll
because I just wasn't there in my journey at that point,
but just in the last year, I do feel like

(39:44):
there is something too that I look back in retrospect
and I think I was ten feet away from one
of these creatures. Why would something like that be that
close to me? Why why does any wild animal get
that close to a human being in their se It
doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think my
personal opinion about the two that I believe we encountered

(40:06):
on that particular night was that they were curious. There's
no other reason for it. They were whistling, they were
letting us know that they were there because they wanted to.
For lack of a better term, play with us. It's
what I felt was happening.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Nothing aggressive, though, right.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Nothing aggressive at all.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Have you been in an area where you found something
that felt aggressive before. That's a different feeling when you
feel that alpha and he's letting you know, it's a
different feeling. It's definitely a different feeling.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, that's the feeling that I got when I had
my experience when I was twelve years old. That's the
feeling that I had. I was groud at, I was
bluff charged, and that thing was pissed off and did
not want me anywhere near it. So I did very
much like Mike and said, I'm getting the hell out
of here. I don't push my luck. I'm smarter than that.
I'm assholes and elbows and I am taking off. But

(40:57):
you're right, it's a very different feeling. And chased this
freaking thing up the heel and had no fear. All
I wanted to do was get closer and see it again.
There was no fear. This thing could have easily ripped
any of us apart, but it didn't, so there may
be something to it. I'm curious about this family group

(41:18):
that you're dealing with. Are there other experiences that you've
had with them. Have you guys tried gifting or other
kind of interactions. What are you guys getting outside of
the vocalizations and some of the other things you've already described.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I was going in there for about a year and
a half by myself, me and my son and stuff
in here before I brought Marie. Marie was the first
person I brought back there, and then Chris and Ruby,
so it was the first people I ever bought back.
There was just the core of the group, and we
were continuously having cool things happen. Like I was gifting

(41:51):
the area by myself. I was just doing random experiments
with things. I had two little spots that I was gifting.
I found out that they have a taste of peanut
butter whatever, So I figured, what about a reces. It's
got peanut butter in it, and it's got bright orange
pack wrapper you can see it. So I put it
at the one spot, I put it over here, and
I go back. Before Marie started going back there with me,

(42:13):
they slowed down a little bit instantly when there was
another person with me other than my son, But when
it was just me going in there were times I
had walked in these trails. I told you there's only
two trails to get in. I go walk in those
trails and there'd be no footprints. I go to leave
and there'd be three or four that came in behind me.
You will tell about something giving you goosebumps, And it's

(42:35):
the same one. This guy, I call him big Toe.
It's only about a thirteen and a half inch footprint.
See what I'm showing you right now. Yeah, just as
one big toe sticks up, it's like he lifts his toes.
It's weird. The day I found this print right here,
Actually Marie was with me that day. We went in
there and it was just about dark and I made
the casting of that and it was two dark, so

(42:56):
I said, I'm just going to leave it, come back
in the morning and check it. Came back to the
next morning and that second print was right next to it.
He had stood over it, right there, looking at what
I was doing, and left another footprint. The same guy.
I think he's a teenage male, is what I'm guessing,
because of the width and the size of his foot.

(43:17):
It's like thirteen, but it's like almost five ye at
the heel.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
No.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Four and a half four or three quarters wide at
the heels. I found his footprints everywhere back there, all
over the place back there. I've also found seven different
sizes back there, but his is the one I found
the most. I found him all the way down to
six inches. I have a video where the Kalin's with
me and we went back to go check on the
castings from another time that we had made some casts
and came back that day, and there was probably twenty

(43:41):
more footprints back there, all through one passing area where
they just came in there, and everywhere that me and
the group had went, there were footprints where they had
followed it and come behind us and followed our path
where we were walking around. I called it the living
room for a reason. I swear it's right in the
middle of their living room, and like they stay here,
they venture out from that spot. I swear that's where

(44:03):
their spot is. Though the whole rest of the place
looks like it'll get about two foot of water back
there at times, but it's always dry. In certain areas.
You get out towards the swamp part a little bit,
it'll get about two foot deep, but there's logs that
are giant logs set up like a boardwalk around the
entire place. There's trees all over the place, leaning like
this in between a perfect y where if you were
to crawl that tree and look, you could see people

(44:26):
in the neighborhood. There's a neighborhood not that far away
from it too. That's the other thing. There's a neighborhood
that runs right by this place. The only thing separating
the neighborhood in the conservation area is the creek. If
they're curious though, how perfect is that they could sit there,
watch kids, watch people and never get messed with. I've
always been curious to know, like there's people out there,
what kind of sounds and different things to hear back

(44:47):
there people who live on the creek, because I know
there's a lot of them. So the gifting area was
very successful for a long time. We're still doing it now.
It's just starting to get good again. We put cameras
out and try to get what was what it was
on camera and they didn't like.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
It, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see
we're right back.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
After these messages, everything stopped, all the activities stopped everything
for about three months. I mean nothing, and then one
day stuff started getting taken again from the gifting spots,
candy and different things gone. We had a camera over here.
We had a camera over here, and the gifting spot
was in the middle, so there was a trail here,

(45:29):
that trail here to come in. They stopped using that
never came down at one time, not one picture anything.
We had lots of pictures go off, deer, hogs, everything.
Nothing right in the middle. About thirty ft forty feet
away from the gifting spot, the fence that ran across
there is bent down to the ground like someone stepped

(45:50):
on it. The barb wires bent down in every section
all the way down. Marie did a video on it.
It's on our page, and it looked like another one
stepped on it here and bent like something said on it.
You know how hard that galvanized pipe is. It bends
it down to the ground like it was nothing. Everything
brought down and the deer had started coming through there
as a trail. Now they made that so they can

(46:11):
get back and get the freaking gifting stuff and not
be caught on camera. So I finally convinced her to
take the cameras down. I'm like I don't want to
mirror no more. Let's tick them down. Let's get back
to having them do their cool things again.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Last question before I let you go.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I want to be respectful of your time, but this
is something I don't get a whole lot of chance
to do is talk to people from Florida. There are
camps out there that think these things may have five, six,
seven different types within the species. There's all kinds of
theories out there, and people in the Bigfoot community tend
to believe or think that for some reason, and it's

(46:45):
probably some of the evidence, honestly that's come out of
Florida that skunk ape is a different beast altogether or
is definitely different than what you're going to see in
the Pacific Northwest as far as Sasquatch is concerned. But
some of the things you've talked about experiences, we're talking
seven eight nine feet tall. These don't seem to be
smaller than what they are in other areas. But what

(47:08):
is your theory, and obviously this is subjective, nobody really knows,
But what is your theory on what's going on specifically
in Florida? Do you think they're the same Sasquatch as
other places in the country, even maybe other places like Canada,
or do you think there's something special going on in
Florida and what you guys are experiencing.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Truly, after a few years of this now and getting
to go down especially, what makes me believe this now
is going down to the Everglades down a David Shiley's place.
You know, we do a lot with David. We're good
friends with him. We've seen and done a lot down there.
After going through seeing his video and re enacting his
video and seeing what's back there, I found regular foot
impressions out in the middle of the sawgrass that look

(47:50):
like similar to the ones we have up here. But
Dave's also found footprints like I've never seen before in
my life. He's got some funky four toad prints and
they are weird. I know that whatever they are down there,
they don't make the structures like they do up north.
From the sightings, from everything that's going on, I think
there are at least two different kinds. I think they're
like us in a way. We're all different types from everywhere,

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just like you get different people around the country, around
the world, the same thing. I think with them, I
think they're just different species of them. I think the
only difference with the actual sasquatch versus a skunk ape
is that I think their intelligence level. I think the
skunk ape might be a little more primitive, whatever it is,
and maybe it didn't develop as well or something, I
don't know, a little more primitive. I don't think there's

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any difference if anything else around the United States or
anywhere in the world, except they might be thinner, because
everything in Florida is a little thinner, and we're in
the South. Everything doesn't weigh as much, and you get
reports it's more bodybuilder looking guys, guys that look like
they could to the genimalmst. You took all that mass
and hair off of some of the wolves and cougars.

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Look at a Florida panther, Florida pants or litter or deer.
We're a lot thinner. I think that's what it is.
I think it's just a thinner, more adapted version. But
you got to be lean. You can't live in our swamps. Oh,
I'll have a bunch of body fat. That's what I
really think. It's a big difference between intelligence and body mass,

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not height.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
It definitely makes sense.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Man, It's like Bergmann's rule Bergmann's law in reverse. The
farther north you go away from the equator, the bigger
things get. The closer you get to the equator, the
smaller and skinnier. In this case, that things get. That's
what keeps me coming back.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I love those kind of questions. I love talking to
people from all over the country and literally around the
world about this because everybody's experiences are different. But I
think there's something to be gleaned from every bit of
data that we mind, from every experience and every bit
of research that everybody's doing. I love to talk to
people who get out in the woods as much as possible,
like you your group. The fine folks i've met done

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in Florida, Man, have been a blast to hang out when.
I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing
your fancies. Man, I had a good time talking to you.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I wish I had to have more time. I tell
you all of them. Maybe one day me and my
son could come hang out with you and talk a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
We'll definitely make that happen, for sure.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I don't want to be world up it.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Try this job that chart everything back Joy for me, Joy,
stay right. You come from away.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Side Still Susie, Still, stay side inside, Stay still.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
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