SO EP:641 Deputy Snaps Pic Of Bigfoot?

 In this episode, Brian welcomes guests Jim Peters and Joe Jenkins from Illinois, who share their remarkable encounters and experiences hiking in the Shawnee National Forest. Retired law enforcement officers, Jim and Joe recount a series of mysterious events, including strange buzzing sounds, unexplained lights, large whooping noises, and sightings of what they believe to be Bigfoot.

They discuss their transition from skeptics to believers over twelve years of research, gathering compelling audio, photos, and physical evidence. The conversation also touches on tree structures, feelings of foreboding, and a broader discussion on the nature of these phenomena, weighing the possibilities of flesh and blood creatures versus more paranormal explanations.

This episode offers an intriguing look into the world of Bigfoot research and the high strangeness encountered by seasoned investigators.


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00:00 Welcome and Introductions 00:37 Early Adventures and Unexpected Encounters 02:00 The Mysterious Buzzing Sound 05:10 Strange Lights in the Night 07:08 The First Howl and Bigfoot Realization 13:53 Ongoing Research and Strange Experiences 26:17 A Sheriff's Encounter with the Unknown 29:12 Gorilla or Bigfoot? 30:30 A Mysterious Encounter in the Timber 34:21 The Giant Nest Discovery 39:28 Tree Structures and Wood Knocks 44:04 Flesh and Blood vs. High Strangeness 50:00 Sharing Experiences and Final Thoughts

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over the tree.
I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence, and they would dead once you hit the ground.
I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my

(01:26):
dog coming over the fence. Sat what are you reporting?
We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?

(01:57):
Did you see what it was? It was enough out
here looking. I'm new to the window now and I
don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. It's fright. Hello,
hit the boddy out here? What quin on out there?
I've thought of a bit just about text nine. I
don't know easy ann ount there. Yeah, I'm walking right,

(02:18):
heady A.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Folks want to welcome my guests to the show. It
is Jim and Joe from the great state of Illinois.
Welcome to the show, gentlemen, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
My name is Joe Jenkins. I've lived down here since
nineteen seventy four. For the last forty years I've been
a police officer in law enforcement. I'm regonally retired. Gave
us more time to get out in the woods. My
minime was Tim Peters.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I worked for Secretary of State's office for thirty years
in it. Before I retired, I moved down here. Me
and Joe have known each other since second grade. I
was coming down here on weekends and stuff and spend
time with him, but we also play music together. We
were doing that and we started hiking. We started doing
the River to River trail, which goes from Ohio River

(03:04):
to the Mississippi River all across the southern part of
the state. I think that trail is part of the
American Discovery Trail, which goes all the way across the
United Stated. We wanted to go clear across the state
of Illinois, but we never made it because we had
an experience they kind of put a damper on that.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
We ended up continuing to go back to the same
spot that led us down the rabbit hole, so to speak.
And we've been going down that rabbit hole for the
last twelve years.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Where we were hiking that was the Garden of the
God's Wilderness area. We had already hiked a couple miles
in we came to this bluff area and we had
to walk up this bluff, both me and Joe. We
were in our fifties at the time. To be honest
with you, we had stopped a couple of times got
our breath. We had forty pound backpacks on, so but

(03:54):
we stopped a few times. We finally got up there.
Once we got up on this bluff, it's gorgeous. You
can see for miles county counties, three or four counties
into Kentucky because.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
We're right on the Ohio River.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
So yeah, that particular day we got up there. We
sleep in hammocks, so we don't like to sleep on
the ground, so we both have hammocks and so we
were hanging those and getting our campsite kind of set up.
We started hearing this buzzing sound. It sounded like an
electric drill. It was pretty loud, but not overly loud.

(04:27):
So we decided, let's go see what was causing that
because it wasn't quitting. There was nothing around us ex September,
so we walk into the timber from our camp to
where we heard this buzzing sound. As we approach it,
it stops I thought it was right here, but then
it starts about twenty five feet or thirty feet from

(04:49):
us over there, So we thought, okay, let's walk over there.
So we walked through the woods, and each time it
was a little deeper into the woods. So we're walking
to it again as we approach dead silence, and.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It wasn't loud. You could just hear this electrical like
a drill sound. We couldn't pinpoint it. It had moved
around a couple times, so we didn't. When we got
to the ed, it quit, and then it moved again.
Then we got to it and it quit, and then
we decided, all right, let's split up. You go one direction,

(05:21):
I'll go to another. One of us would head towards
the sound. When it started up again, one of us
went towards the sound, the other one the other way.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Sure enough, it moved, stopped, and then moved, but moved
to where neither one of us were went somewhere else,
and each time it felt like it was going deaper
and deeper into the woods. Finally, after about what fifteen
minutes of this or twenty minutes of it, it just
stopped altogether. The sound just completely stopped. I can remember

(05:51):
going back to the camp and sitting there thinking that
was really odd because almost like it was intelligent because
it was always where we weren't right. Every time we
get to it, it would stop and move somewhere else
that moved deeper into the woods. I was starting to
think it was either drawing us into the woods or

(06:11):
wanting us to follow it or something. And when we
started splitting up is when it stopped, because we were
going two different directions. And it bothered me the rest
of the evening a little bit thinking about that, because
I just kept thinking that thing was playing with us,
just constantly drawing us in. We had been to this
place before, never had anything happen, and then this happened.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
I was clueless. I just tell them hearing some kind
of sound and couldn't figure out what it was. We
really didn't think anything about it until we started experiencing
other things later in the future made us surely think
back of what was going on that person night. It
bothered me, It bothered Jim. It bothered me. I was like,
I had to be some sound coming in on the

(06:55):
wind or something. I'm trying to rationalize it out.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
We had another experience that same night where we had
another friend with us at the time. He was already
standing on this bluff. This bluff goes right down there's
a trail that goes underneath the bluff, so you're looking
down on treetops basically the whole time. And he was
standing out there on the bluff, probably midnight. He started yelling, Hey,

(07:19):
come here, look at thisns. I went over there to
see what was going on. Joe didn't go I don't
know what he was doing in Mahammock. I went out
there to see what was going on. There was this
ball of light that was coming and there is a
decent ways off, but you could tell it was moving
and it was coming closer to us. My first thought
was maybe it was a helicopter with a search light on,

(07:41):
because all kinds of people get lost out there in
the woods on the Shawnee National Forest and they will
search for him with the helicopter in the bright light.
That was my first thought. But as it got closer,
I couldn't hear the helicopter. They're pretty loud as they're
coming at you. It was dead quiet, but this light
was just coming got right over the top of us

(08:03):
and just paused me and Tim are standing there on
the bluff just looking up at it.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
No sound.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Then the light comes down on us, came right down
on us. You didn't feel anything except you were lit up.
The light would went up and the beat ball of
light then just moved on, no sound, and just continued
to move on. I did not see it. Put the
beam down again. We washed it till it was out
of sight. I was hoping to see if it would

(08:31):
shine a slight.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Down again, but it didn't, and they made enough noise
at that point that I got up went over there.
But by the time I actually got to the edge
of the bluff, this thing it got into the tree line.
I missed everything. I didn't get to see it.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Think i'd bring this up because this was the night
that we had our very first howl. After that went away,
I imagine we probably all turned in.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I can remember waking up.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
I was about three thirty four in a more until
our friend he was already stoking the fire. Now this
was in October and it was pretty chilly that night.
He was stoking the fire up and we had hung
a reflector up and a reflect he backed. Me and
him were standing around the fire Joe finally heard us
talking and he got up. So now all three of

(09:19):
us are staying around the campfire trying to get warm.
It's dead quiet. You could hear pin dropping that woods.
It was nothing going on. All of a sudden, out
of nowhere comes this huge howl. It was more like
it was a whoop basically, but it was long and
drawn out, coming across the valley on the next hillside.

(09:41):
It was so loud that you could feel it in
your bones. I don't know if you've ever been to
a parade of the band's walking Box, you can feel
that in your chest type of thing. That's what it
reminds me of. As how loud it was, you could
feel it inside of you at the same time, and
you just think it had to be an awful big
cree sure to do that. From the other ridge over

(10:02):
to us, it's just a valley in between.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
We were all standing there looking at one another because
we'd never heard anything like this before. I'm a sheriff's deputy.

(11:19):
I've been out there all night long, looking for hunters,
looking for hikers that got lost blood falls, and I've
never heard anything like that. I looked at Jim and
I said, what was that? And he said, I can
tell you, but you're not going to believe me. He said,
I've heard of that on TV. I think it was
a bigfoot. Now, I wasn't into bigfoot or anything like that.
Wasn't a non believer, but I wasn't believer. But when

(11:43):
he said it, to be honest with you, it didn't
shock me. It's the only thing that made sense, because
this was huge. About the time that we're just looking
at one another, we hear another one start and it's
coming from two miles north of the Guard of the Gods,
a couple of miles. It sounded like a way. It

(12:03):
was not as long, it was a little higher pitched.
It responded.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
We're both sitting there dumbfounded at the time because Bigfoot
wasn't on our radar. We're hikers, were out there just
having fun hiking. Really, up to that point, we had
things happen to us prior, but we always said as this,
or it's that, or it's nature in the woods. We
never really started putting stuff together till later. But up

(12:29):
until that point, bigfoot just wasn't on the radar, but
being part of our way of thinking, and when we
heard that it puts you in a state that I
really can't even explain because you're trying to figure out
what just happened. The day had already been weird. We
were trying to get drawn into the woods. I'd seen
some kind of unidentified flying object or UAP or whatever

(12:51):
they call them now, and then all of a sudden
we had this that same night.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was like, this was really an odd day.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
We were trying to put it together in our brains
and I couldn't wrap my head around even though we
just heard it. Oh, you're trying to think, what is
that the oddest thing here?

Speaker 4 (13:08):
That night?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
So we're all sitting on the edge of the bluff.
Now we're sitting down. Well, he just turned the big
whoop thing, and we're sitting on the bluff two hundred
feet below us. It's the trail, and it's black as nigh.
When there's no moon, there is no light at all.
You can't see your hand in front of your face.
We're sitting there, and all of a sudden we started

(13:30):
hearing this gibberish. It's an odd sound. It sounds almost
like people are communicating, but you can't tell what they're
saying because it's nonsense. It's gibberish, and so we're hearing this.
It definitely sounds like it's a male female because we
had a higher tone and a lower tone.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
It was moving.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
We could tell it was moving to the north, from
the south to the north. Yeah, at the base of
the bluff. At that point, they could have turned left
and come up the trail right by us where they
could have went straight, and they went straight, they didn't
come up by us.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
At the time we're sitting there listen to this, we
didn't know what chatter was. We're just hearing people down there.
Sounds like people talking, but you can't understand. It's gibberish,
it's moving, itit's black. But we're sitting on top of
this bluff above the trees, looking down. We hear walking
along that trail. The main how we heard was across

(14:30):
the valley on top of that hill. But that trail
comes down into the valley and then that trail that
goes over to us either comes up on top of
the bluff or you take it north. North is where
we heard the response from. I think this thing was
going in that direction. We just couldn't figure out why
people be walking around down there in the middle of
the dark with rattle snakes, copper heads and no light.

(14:53):
You know, it was really odd, And.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
We're right back after these me.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
But I guess get back to our point to outist
thing of the night was that after everything got quiet,
everybody crawled back into their hammocks and went to sleep.
So now you think back by it and you go,
why on earth when we had done that. We just
heard the strangest noise we ever heard in our lives,
and it's been a crazy day and.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
We all get back in our hammocks.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I was talking to David Eller and another researcher that
basically said, your mind just wants to get back to normal,
or something like that happens. Sometimes the best way to
get back to normal is to just forget about it.
We didn't even think about it. We just got in
our hammocks went sleep. But he said, I've seen that

(15:44):
before where people are so dumbfounded they just do crazy
things after something like that happens. And that was crazy
for us because we actually went back to sleep. We
all fell asleep. It was just a really odd experience
that particular night, and that kind of set us off.
We're not the kind of people that could hear something
like that then quit. So we wanted to hear it again.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
So we went home, started researching everything we could and
what would make that sound. And we're hiking anyway, Oh,
we love to hike, like camp out, so we just
start looking for what they say look for, and that
kind of got us started down.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
This path, started putting recorders out. I wanted to hear
that sound again. I wanted to capture it again. I've
never caught it. And I put recorders out religiously almost
every week in different spots, whether we're camping or not,
all drive out or take the side to side out
or hike in and put these recorders out. I've caught

(16:41):
some other crazy sounds that I can't explain, but I've
never caught that sound again, which is frustrating. But we've
definitely caught some other things that we have to question.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
We decided that, yeah, we're going to study up figure
out how to do this. We've watched a lot of
YouTube and figure out what we're supposed to look for,
how we're supposed to look for. When we found that
over the years. Over the twelve years, we have three
areas that we constantly go back to that have activity

(17:15):
all the time. And that means over twelve years we've
had activity consistent in these areas. When I see activity,
I mean whether it's tree knox, or howls, photo evidence,
print structures, all that in those three areas, and that's
been consistent. So we don't venture too far out of

(17:35):
that area. We're kind of local to that area, but
we are catching stuff all the time. That's kept us
very busy down here in the Shawnee National Forest. I
will say that we have been back to that place
where we heard our first how that whole weird day.
We've been back there a few times since. We've had

(17:56):
some other really strange things happen. And on the way there,
one particular time, me and Joe were walking in and
we'd only been walking for about a mile. We're walking
through the valley. Up on our left there's a smaller
lower bluff, maybe about fifty feet or something like that,
and then on our right was a real tall one,

(18:19):
so maybe one hundred foot or too undred foot. On
our rye we're in the canyon going through. It was wintertime,
and we like to do a lot of our stuff
in the fall winter. No leaves on the trees. You
can see really good through everywhere. We seem to have
our activity in the spring and fall than we do
in the midsummer. Anyways, we were walking through there. It
was a cold day, and on the small bluff on

(18:42):
our left, we started hearing some real heavy football I
mean hearing them and feeling them. So there's something up
there on that small bluff walking around up there.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
That you could feel.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So I told Joe, I said, I'm going to walk
up to the bluff. Joe stayed back because he could
see the edge of the bluff that comes to the
edge of the bluff. He's gonna catch it. I wanted
to feel the bluff. I wanted to put my hands
on it to see what I could feel. Sure enough, boy,
you put your hand on there, and every footfall was vibrating.
So there was something up there that was walking around

(19:15):
vibrating that bluff. He could feel it. It never came
to the edge because Joe never saw it. After a while,
it just paused and stopped, and I walked back to him.
We're following this creek down. We walked about another I
don't know, fifty yards or so and stop. Joe sat
down and he sat down on this rock.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Here.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Coming down the bluff behind him was an ice ball
where the water had been trickling over. And I said,
formed all the way down the bluff, it was probably
twenty twenty five feet freezing of ice all the way down.
And he's sitting in front of that, and I'm standing
up with my back to the bluff where we heard
the footfalls, talking to him. As we're talking, all of

(20:01):
a sudden you can hear something coming through hits the
bluff behind Joe. All that ice comes crashing down right
behind him. Rock that was thrown that hit the ice,
and the ice comes crashing down right behind him, almost
hits him. He's lucky that it didn't hit him because
it was so massive as it was coming down. That

(20:22):
was pretty early on. We call okay, we left. Yeah,
we shouldn't be in here right now. And I don't
know whether your other people you've interviewed have had this experience,
but for us, being in the woods is normally very relaxing.
It's getting back to nature and you just get out
there and enjoy it. And it's been very relaxing that

(20:44):
particular time, and a few other times that we've been
in the woods, it's not so relaxing, and you get
this feeling of foreboding, our feeling of dread, fear, almost
And this is in the areas we've been in before,
and all of a sudden you're walking through it, and
then you still feel so good, and you're like, what's
going on. There's something not right. You feel like you

(21:05):
want to high tail it out of there. I don't
know what causes that. Some people we've talked tough, so
maybe you got hit with a little bit of infrasound
or something. It's hard to explain, but when we get
that feeling, that's usually a feeling that we kind of
you either have to work through it and keep going
or high tail and get out. Now, that particular day
we had that, and the ice was falling and stuff

(21:26):
like that.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
We got out of there.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
But I can't say that I blame you for exiting
stage left, because I know what you're talking about. I've
had that feeling before. I think everybody who's been in
the woods has probably had that feeling of being watched,
that foreboding feeling, that kind of dread feeling. At some
point in time. It's usually a big predator in the area,
whether it's a bear, mountain lion, something like that, it's

(21:49):
usually explainable. The only time I've really felt that sort
of foreboding was last summer. I was out in the
Pacific Northwest. I was out in Washington State and I
had three sidings of these things in two days. One
of them was a daylight siding, and then we had
two instances back to back at night while we were
filming this documentary. We started out at the Olympic Project headquarters.
I heard you mentioned David Ellis earlier, who works with

(22:11):
the Olympic Project. We were out there filming a documentary.
I had this moment after being very close to these creatures.
There was a couple of sidings where I was within
ten feet of one of these creatures and I had
a zero fear at all. I chased this thing up
the side of a ridge. However, after all of that
was over with, then we're getting ready to end the shoot.

(22:32):
We're finishing our breakdown of what everybody experienced and talked
about all that stuff. Bobo from Finding Bigfoot was there
here and Bobo said, you know after you have an experience.
It's my experience that a lot of times, if somebody
will hang back, let everybody else go. Somebody hang back
in this area where we had these experiences, they might
come in closer and you might have another experience. And

(22:54):
I was like cool. So there was like twelve of us.
Everybody goes back down the ridge a couple of miles.
I'm standing there a few yards away from where I
had just been ten feet away from one of these
creatures earlier. And it's dead quiet. You can't see your
hand in front of your face. I didn't have any
lights on nothing. I'm just standing there in the middle
of the woods by myself, and I had this overwhelming, foreboding,

(23:17):
dread feeling come over me. Something inside my own head.
It wasn't mine speak. I'm not saying that Sasquatch said
this to me. I'm saying in my own mind, I said,
you need to get the hell out of here. I
just had that feeling of you're not welcome here. You
had your experience, we had our fun with you kind
of thing, but now you need to leave.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
It's what I felt.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
And I I tiled it back down the path and
I caught.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
Up with the group and Bobo turns around and he's like,
what are you doing down here? You're supposed to be
up there, And.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
I was like, you take your ass up there. I'm
not standing there because I told him what I experienced, and.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
He was over, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I don't know what, Joe, but and he went back
up there. He didn't have any experiences, nor did he
have that feeling. And maybe it's psychosomatic. Maybe it's the
fact that I knew something was in the area. We
had just had those experiences. I had an adrenaline dump.
It could have been all these things, and then it
just could have been the fact that these creatures were
still there and maybe they didn't want me in the area.

(24:11):
So I said all that to say, I certainly understand
getting the hell out of the area because I've done
that myself, and I think you need to listen to
your gut. I too, have been in law enforcement. I
listened to my gut and it kept me alive plenty
of times on the streets. If it happens to me
in the woods, I treat it just like I'm on
the streets of Atlanta policing. Again, I listened to my gut,
and I do what I think is best. I want

(24:32):
to go back to a couple of things. I know
you guys have other experiences. We've got some audio we're
going to get into, some photographs we're going to talk about,
and I certainly want to get to those other experiences.
But I want to go back and talk a little
bit about that first experience where you guys had this
weird metallic buzzing noise that you had balls of light,
you had a whole lot of high strangeness and other
things going on. I find it interesting that you had

(24:55):
this kind of weird sound because this is something that
it's not every experience that I document, but I've interviewed, gosh,
probably over a thousand people at this point for the
show in person. On the show, there are a lot
of experiences that people have. Ron Moorehead comes to mind.
Ron and I have had plenty of conversations about some
of the weird things that happened to them at the
Sierra camp or where they captured the Sierra Sounds. They

(25:18):
were having these weird metallic sounds that didn't make any
sense because they were eight miles deep in the woods,
they're hearing what sounds like cowpells, they're hearing what sounds
like doors closing on a truck or a car, weird
strange noises in retrospect, looking back at that experience, now,
have you had other experiences maybe or even done some

(25:40):
research into some of these strange sounds that don't seem
to mix with what you would expect to be from
a sasquatch, because even stories like them beating on metal
pots and things like that that researchers have actually went
out and found in the woods. And then it made
sense the correlation was there. What do you guys make

(26:01):
of that original sound that you were hearing? And I'm
glad that I don't know if it was I think
it was you Jim that might have even said I
had written it down and circled it. As you were talking,
I'm saying it's luring you into the woods. And then
you eventually said, that's the feeling that you guys had,
like what do you make of that strange metal kind
of industrial sound that you guys were hearing and what

(26:21):
do you think that could possibly be?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Last year we did a presentation. Ron Moorehan was there
and we were listening to him and talking to him
about his experiences in what all those weird sounds he
was here. Then they came out from their little shelter.
Nothing was moved, nothing was changed. He said he felt
like fifty five gallon barrels were getting banged around and

(26:46):
stuff like that, and nothing was changed, and was definitely
moving away from us every time. I don't know what
could have caused it. There was just absolutely no reason
for it. We're out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
There's no where this could be coming from. This was
coming from down in the bushes. I will say, what
coming from the ground. It was our level. You could
hear it coming fifteen feet over here, but you didn't
have to oh it's up there, or it's oh, it's
like right here. Yeah, we usually drone. We know what
that sounds like when it's over. It's not bad.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
No, it was just really odd. I have no idea.
We did catch another example of a mechanical sound on
the order. We weren't there at the time, but I
had put the recorder out and left it and then
went back and got it later. And on that particular recording,
there was a metal sound, not exactly like what we heard,

(27:41):
but it definitely sounded like a mechanical sound, and we
weren't sure exactly where that was coming from. I had
recorded a sound similar to that later. This one was
weird because it was drawing us in, I feel, and
I just was really bummed because I thought that it
was messing around. It's playing with us. It was definitely playing.
It knew we were where we were because when we

(28:04):
would go there, it would stop and start up somewhere else,
And when we'd go there, it would stop and go
somewhere else. It was playing around. That's the creepiest thing
for me, is it was messing around with us, and
I just thought for myself, I kept thinking, man, it's intelligent. Now,
I've never experienced in my whole life anything like it

(28:25):
before or after.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Let's get into some of your other experiences that you
guys have had over the year.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
When I was working as a sheriff's deputy, I got
a call one day. I lived in the county of
four thousand people, mainly it's country and gravel roads. Spash
called me and said that they had cows out on
the road. They told me where it was at, said
ain't contacting the owner and he'd meet me out there.
I got out there, I seen where the fence was
broken and it was four cows out walking around. So

(28:51):
I pulled my squad car over and make a gate
out of it and started trying to get the four
cows back off the road back into the field. Want
to god on in there. And I just pulled my
car up the side of it where the fence was broken.
I tied some caution tape where it was broken case
I had to leave. I was just waiting for the
order to get there. I'm just looking out in my

(29:13):
car wenda looking across the field, and I start counting cattle.
But he had four out and he got twenty cows
in the field. So when he shows up, all telling
him just in case he's got more missing that I
didn't see. Don't want a car cover around the curve
and hit that, especially on the gravel road. Don't have
time to see it and tell you fit it. They
can't do a lot of damage to a vehicle. See

(29:34):
a truck pull up behind me, opened up my car door,
I get out. I walked to the back of my car.
By the time he's got out of his and meeting me,
I tell him. I said, here's where your fence broke.
I got four cows back in and you got twenty cows.
We'll say. I turned to get back of my squad
car and I saw what looks like another cow up

(29:55):
in the across the field. That photo I sent was
four hundred and thirty three feet from my squg car
to the edge of that woods.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
According to Google Earth, he looked up there. He said, crap.
He said, they've busted the fence up there too. Took
a couple of glances, and I thought, I don't look
like a cow. It's black. It's up in the wood.
That'd be a cow. Got out and I got in
the car and I looked down. I saw my phone,
and I saw I zoomed in with my phone best
I could and took a picture, and then drove off

(30:34):
because I was getting another call. I got out on
the highway and I thought, I looked at that phone.
I thought, I took a picture. Now I can zoom
in even farther. So I opened it up.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
And zoomed in.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
And when I zoomed in I thought, that is not
a cow. If you see the photo, it literally looks
like a gorilla. The cows that you see in that
picture there at two hundred feet. That gorilla is standing
in the woods. It's at four hundred and thirty three feet,
so you can tell it's pretty good size when you
see it in the photo.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Two years ago, we were at the Big Mundy Monster
Festival here in southern Illinois. We just had our photo
album out letting people look at all the different structures
and footprints pictures that we had taken. This primatologist comes
up and she walks up to the table and she's
stumbing through our photogroup.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
She said, who took that picture?

Speaker 3 (31:23):
And Joe said, I did, I took that picture. She said, can.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
You send me that picture? Sure? Why?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
She goes, I've had all kinds of pictures sent to
me over the years. She studied gorillas, is what she studied.
And she said, I could spot a gorilla. She just
knows them, every piece of them. She looked at that
picture and she goes, that looks like a primate. He said,
that's a holy grail of photos that I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
She said, that's a primate.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
We sent it to her. The following year, we're doing
the presentation at the Big Money Monster Festival and she's there.
She comes up to the table and said, hey, you
remember me. We're like, yeah, we remember you. Joe said,
did you send it to your colleagues?

Speaker 4 (32:06):
I sent to every one of my colleagues with the
catch and they said what is this? And I said,
what they say? She said, everyone I'm responded with one
word gorilla. Now there are no gorillas. Hard to cout.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's a big quote because there's no gorillas. I'll be
dogging if it don't look like one. And I think
we sent it to you, so if you get a
chance to analyze it, you might want to. It's an
interesting picture, to say the least. As a matter of fact,
we just did our second presentation at the Big Muddy
Monster Festival day before yesterday. She was there again and
we wanted to get up and speak on it. So

(32:41):
she got up spoke on this particular photograph and with
all the different characteristics that make it a primate EU.
So we thought that was pretty interesting. That was one
of Joe's sidings and I had one my wife had
told me. She said, hey, this was in March a
year ago. It had been raining that day an it
would just rain and rain. It finally stopped worse in Mark,

(33:04):
but leaves aren't on here yet, and everything was just
gray and washed out. She wanted me to pull the
tarp off of her raised bed so she could start
preparing it for whatever she was going to plant. And
as I was standing there, I'm looking out into the
timber around me. This is my timber, so I know

(33:24):
what's supposed to be there. One is and we had
just had everything cleared out the year before, left all
the mature trees, got rid of all the rush and
olive and all of the stuff. Before you couldn't see
five feet into the woods, and now you could see it.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Way back in there.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
As I was standing, I'm just looking around. Can't see
through this particular area, and I know I should, and
something was blocking my view. I stood there for quite
a while looking. I didn't walk forward for whatever reason
or oh, I just took off my phone and I
took a picture and wanted to see. I came back inside, thinking, man,
I should have been able to see that. I opened

(33:59):
it up and I look at it and I'm like,
oh my god, I will look back out and there's
nothing there. I can see through down. So as soon
as I left it left, I show this picture to
my wife and she thinks I'm messing with her. She's like, yeah,
you're messing around with me, and I'm going no, I
just took this picture, send it to Joe. Joe circles

(34:20):
it and says right there at the center, and I'm like, yeah,
that's it. So what had happened was this picture I
took was standing in a valley and the valley's about
five feet deep like this, and it's standing down in
the bottom. And in this photograph there's a branch going
right across the forehead. You can see the conical head
on top. You can see there's no hair on the

(34:41):
face at all. You can see the ice socket, snose, mouth, chin,
and then the darker hair on the rest of the body.
Like I said, it was standing still, blending in. It's
almost like it's invisible. It ain't moving, but it's like
as soon as it moves, boom, Yeah, I see it.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I know what this thing was doing.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
It was just standing still, very well, blended in with
the rest of the gray that was out there. I
took the picture on an iPhone, but it really looks
black and white. That's how great it was out.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
But that was my experience.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I was probably sixty yards from it, and it was
standing there, and I'm standing there, and we were looking
at each other for probably I don't know, four or
five minutes. One of those experiences where if it would
have growled at me or something, I don't know what
I would have done, but it didn't make a sound.
I described it like a four by eight sheet of plywood,
because it was about eight feet tall and four feet white.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
It was eight feet to the land to the ground,
so I actually would have been a little bit taller
because it was behind it. You could see at the
top of his head above the brand. We went out
the next day and measured it. Matter of fact, I
stood in the same place and held a five gallon
bucket up over my head and I couldn't reach the
limb that was across its face.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
It was definitely obvious because when you look out there,
you can see right through where this thing blocked out
the whole. In the same area, we had multiple structures
on the same properties.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
And bear in mind where we live in the middle
of the Shawnee National Forest, which is two hundred ninety
eight thousand acres four service bis up all the property
they can, so it's nothing for your neighbor passes away
four service bys a double of our properties, or it
is just surrounded by miles a mile of just four
service woods. I think that's why we've had so many encounters,

(36:29):
recordings and things like that. It's in our backyard. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Literally, that was one of my sightings. And Joe just
showed you one of his. He's had another one too.
Do we have time to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Or yeah, let's go right into it, Joe, all right,
what happened is a neighbor mind owns some property, friend
that I used to know, and he since passed away,
but he told me that one of his relatives said,
come back in from hunting in the woods that he owned,
and he said he found a giants and he said

(37:01):
the nest was just giant nests on the ground. Looked
like a bird's nest. We'd already found footprints in that area,
We'd already found large structures in that area. We definitely
felt that there was something there. We made recordings and
we said nest. We started looking for it. It took
us almost six months a year to find it. When

(37:22):
we did find it, we got photos of and everything.
So we were just watching that area anytime we out
driving around or anything like that. It was out one
night and it was cool, but I took a golf
car and went by the wooded area. We're always prepared
if we see something, try and catch her something off

(37:43):
of it, either with a phone or a cord of
some kind. I saw some ice shine. I had a
headlamp on it. It wasn't because the headlamp was shining. I
was looking this way and I seen something over here,
and I turned. And when I turned and looked down
across the field into the woods, I saw the two
giant eyes, big yellow orange eyes. They were like this,

(38:04):
both of them. I thought, oh my goodness. When I
turned my head land towards them, they're just like they
turned on like a flashlight, and they're watching me. And
I stop, get off the golf cart, and I'm standing
there on the side of the road looking down this
hill to where this fields is barbed wire fence and
it's fenced in, and I keeping my light on it,
and I moved this way, and you could tell and

(38:26):
the eyes were so big I could tell they were
just moving with me and watching me. And when they blink,
they just blink real slow and then right back open
very slowly. But at the time, I thought, it's got
to be a cougar. My mind's going got to be
a cougar. Because these eyes are only like four feet
off the ground. It's a cougar on it's haunches, you know,

(38:46):
just standing up right and I'm steeing these eyes and
I'm not gonna get any closer to it. We got
cougars down here.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
I just keep moving one way and shining my light.
I got my camera out, tried to take a picture
with it with my iPhone.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
That didn't work. I couldn't get nothing. Have my thermo
on my pocket. I got a little small Leopold thermal
and I got that out, tarted on and I could
see on a little screen on it. I thought, okay,
there's the eyes, and I took a picture, still thinking cougar.
But I wanted to get a good picture of it,
because all I could really see was the eyes on

(39:19):
this little screen. So I went back to the golf cart.
Was going to just grab a spotland and see if
I couldn't get a throken the spotlight on it, and
when I turned back around, there was nothing there. I'm
shining to spotlight all down in the woods trying to
see nothing, and I thought it's bolted. Oh it just
took off. So I didn't think anymore about it. But

(39:40):
when I win the next day or so, I thought, oh, shoot,
I need to upload that picture. And I went in
there and put it on my computer, and as soon
as it popped up, I'm like, that is not a cougar.
And you can see how white it was.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
The really interesting thing about it, if you looked at
the picture on the left hand side of it, knuckles
you can see the knuckles were saying, it's crouched down,
and you can see it's hunches, conical head, big eyes, shoulders.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
And then the fingers knit on his knees.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Felt like he's squatting, squatted down, he's got his hands
on his knees because you can see his fingers really
well on there. Yeah, And in my mind at the
time I took it, I thought it's got to be
a couter because there's not seven feet tall, not nine
feet tall.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
So I tried to rash fish what else it could be.
But we set that photo off to Jesus pay in
Breaking Bigfoot. He enhanced it for us because the photo
it was in grayscale. He enhanced it with some color
and stuff and made it really pop out, so very
od picture that was all from that area. So the
footprint that we cast, but we found the nest I

(40:45):
truly believe belonged to that creature.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
And the nest was by the time we had found it,
all the greenery was off of it. You just had the.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Wheel all around.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
We're all weaved together still, and it was very distinctly weaved.
It was probably about est tie on Joe. So we
went out there the following year. There was a BFRO
personal one to see it, so they contact us came down.
When we got there to where the nest was, it
was just completely decimated.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
It was gone pour desroid.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Now there was you could still tell where the pieces were.
They were just thrown around, but that whole thing was
just completely gone. Why that would happen, I don't know,
but it was completely destroyed. And so they didn't get
to see that particular nests.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
As our pictures, but they didn't get to see the nestages. Yeah,
and it would have took a lot of power to
tear that thing apart. The limbs in it, some of
them were three three and a half inches in diameter
fifteen feet long, and they were wove and bent and
everything around it just looked like a giant bird nest.
It took a lot of power to have pulled that

(41:49):
all apart.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I want to talk a little bit about tree structures,
tree brakes, and wood knocks. As far as you guys
doing your research in these three areas that you concentrated on,
are you finding tree breaks more structures. Obviously you just
talked about the nest But when I'm talking about structures,
I'm saying weird. I don't even know how to describe it.

(42:10):
I've found things propped on other things. I've found what
looked like full crumb type deals where something is balanced
on something else. And then obviously the tree breaks. I
haven't found a ton of tree breaks here on our
property in North Carolina, but when I went up to
Radium a couple of years ago, I went out on
an expedition with Todd's Standing, and there were thousands, literally

(42:32):
thousands of these tree breaks. Some of them were clearly natural.
Some of them were clearly snowloaed and other things wind
but some of them they had to be done. I
joked and said, I've made no qualms about how I
feel about Todd and his videos. I think they're hoaxed.
And I've even said if Todd were doing these, he
would have to have somebody that he hired, or he

(42:53):
would have to spend a lot of time in the
woods breaking these trees. Sure, but some of them I
don't know how he would physically do it. They're three
and a half four inches thick. In some cases, you
go out and try to break a fresh two inch
round sapling with your bare hands. It's not as easy
as you So, are you guys finding more tree structures?

(43:15):
If you are, let's talk a little bit about what
you're finding. And obviously it's subjective. I don't think anybody knows,
But what is your opinion on what these things are
doing as far as the tree structures, the breaks, and
even the tree knocks.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Here's one of the most interesting ones we've found. I
don't know if you can get that on there, but
that is a two hundred and fifty to three hundred
pound rock on top of a seven foot stump sandstone rock.
It was put on top of their.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, you walk around find out in the woods, you're thinking,
what that was one of the craziest ones we found.
We have these three sides that we thick we were
at most of the time.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
It's because of the structures. It's because of the audio
that we've captured in those areas. Yeah, we have found
a lot of structures. We've got photos I think on
our Facebook page of some of the structures that we've got.
I've had many hunters when I talk about bigfoot, go,
I've been in the woods my whole life. I've never
seen a bigfoot. I told them, I said, you know what,

(44:09):
I've been in the woods my whole life. I've found
a mushroom. But I wasn't looking for a mushroom. Here's
a good example, if you can see it. You can
see me in that X right there. See how big
that X is, and that's me standing right there behind it.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
There was no roots there at all on either one
of those uprights.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
That's huge.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
No, like I said, we're checking for roots, we're checking
for see if it would just fell that way. But
they were definitely drug there. Put that particular way. So yeah,
we find all kinds of stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
We found xes forty foot tall, twenty feet to the
center of it.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
And I'll tell you something too about tree knocks. I
put recorders out all the time, almost weekly. Matter of fact,
I have one of the woods right now, I got
to go get. I put them out all the time.
I put them in the same kind of areas, and
every time I try to do the same thing all
the time. I try to be consistent when I walk,
maybe even the same tree in a lot of cases.
But all of a sudden, I started getting knocks that

(45:09):
were so loud that it sounded like it was on the
tree right next to where I put my recorder. At first,
I thought, oh wow, I got lucky there. I put
that recorder right where that knock was coming from. That
happened two or three times.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Close. You can hear the.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Footfall staff, Yeah, you can hear before it hits the tree.
I kept putting these recorders down, and I kept getting
the same kind of thing. Then I realized, they know
what I'm doing. That's them telling me that, hey, I
see your recorder.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see we'll be
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
Here, here's a knock for you. Boom really loud, and
I'll get a loud one.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Almost every time I put out, I get this really
loud knock right next to where I put the recorder.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Sometimes you'll hear two or three.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Later you'll hear one, then another one farther away, and
another one farther away. It's interesting how at first I
thought I was just getting lucky, but then it started
happening a lot, and then I start thinking I'm not
getting that lucky. So their knock and they see the
recorder I had ripped off a tree once. That's the

(46:18):
only time I put these things up with cucricle tape.
I go around the top and the bottom so it's
on their solid I guess I'm lucky that they've only
ripped one of them off. But yeah, we hear knocks
all the time. I don't know how many hundreds of
knocks I probably recorded.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Kind of let's talk a little bit about your research.
I'm a very flesh and blood guy. I'm a very
Ockham's razor kind of guy. I always look at these
things as something flesh and blood. But the longer that
I've been in this and people have told me this
years ago, and I said, that's never going to happen.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
To me, But it has happened to me.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I have had this progression since I had my own
experiences with them. Last year, I saw glowing white eyes.
We saw two sets of glowing white eyes, not eyes,
glowing self illuminated eyes. That is weird to me. That's
not normal for normal animals. It's not normal in nature.
So I've had to start looking at this. And then

(47:11):
obviously you have the orbs, you have strange metallic sounds,
you have other phenomena that seems to be either existing
beside this phenomenon, and sometimes it seems like it is
happening at the same time, I'm still in the Flesh
and Blood camp. If I've had to plant a flag,
that's where I'm still at. But I still have to
have an open mind when it comes to this because

(47:32):
of those other experiences. Where are you, guys on your
evolution of the last twelve years and doing these investigations
and looking into these three sites. Are you in the
Flesh and Blood camp? What do you think is happening
with these things that would explain some of this woo
or high strangeness that people are experiencing that can't be described, frankly,

(47:53):
any other way than some kind of high strangeness or
paranormal activity that's going on around Big five one at
a time. Whoever wants to go first? Where are you
on that journey in your own research? Are you primarily
of flesh and blood? Are you looking at all things
and taking in everything that's happening and adjusting your hypothesis
as you get new information at.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I've always been flesh and blood. But the more and
more you get into this and the more experiences you have,
I'll just put this way. I can explain flesh and blood.
I can wrap my mind around flesh and blood, so
I tend to want it to be flesh and blood.
But I can also tell you that we've had several experiences,

(48:37):
one of which we were camping one night at site
on what we called it. We had our equipment out,
we had a shotgun, mic and recorder, hotlight, night vision,
thermal everything, and we're just sitting there, me and Jim
sitting there really just enjoying the night, quiets, peace books, relaxing.

(48:57):
Our cousin Chim was with the still he was asleep.
He's over in a hammick sleeping, and.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
This is in the fall. There's a lot of leaf
clutter on the ground again, and we.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Hear something walking up on us. It's blow football. We
start looking around because there's nothing around us where we're at,
nothing but woods where we camp at. There the fence,
a wooden fence through there. This thing's coming from out
of the woods and we hear it walk up. We
hear it walk up to the fence. Now the fence

(49:27):
is not six feet from us, eight feet from us.
It starts walking down the fence in the leaves. We
grab a recorder, we grabbed the flashlight. We start spotlighting.
We don't see this thing, but we hear it walking
in front of us. We use a thermal, we use
a night vision. This thing is not twelve feet in
front of us, but it's not there, but we're hearing

(49:49):
it's stepping in these leaves, crunching, and it walks all
the way down the fence road to where ten was sleeping.
He woke up. It was so loud and yeah, I
woke come up. He's like, can you guys do it?
We're dumb out it. We're going listen that listen. It
turned around and walked back, walked back down the fence.
It walked all the way down the fence, just kept

(50:12):
walking and walked off in the woods. I've got a shotgun, mic,
I'm pointing towards it, and I'm following it. We recorded it.
You can hear it walking. You can hear us basically
freaking out. We used a thermal hot light and a
night vision trying.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
To see what it was that was doing there and
walk within probably six seven feet of us, all the
way in and then all the way back in front.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Of us, and there was nothing there. So I want
to be flesh and blood because my mind can comprehend that,
but I can't explain the other.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, that one was. We don't normally tell that story, No,
not normally. This is too weird. That was one of
the first times I was really scared because I couldn't
see it. Knew it was there, It was right in
front of me, and I couldn't see it. And that's unnerving.
And you know, there's something right in front of you
and you cannot see it. That combined with finding one print.

(51:05):
You know, we're going through the woods and all of
a sudden, you get this very pristine footprint, and there's
no doubt about it. You can see the toes, you
can see everything, and then there's not another print befoord
or after anywhere else. Why do you find one footprint
and then nothing else. So the WU people will tell
you we moved into a different dimension, or he went

(51:27):
through a portal or something UFO picked him up, or
there's all kinds of theories. But if we have stumbled
on one footprint before then looked and looked and looked
and never found another print anywhere, and that to me
was what started me to open my mind enough to go, Okay,
there's something going on that I don't understand. I feel

(51:50):
as a researcher we have to stay open minded about
what we're doing, because you don't want to really close
yourself off just to something. We were both in that camp,
and we met Ron moorehead last year and talked with
him for a while, and he was the same way
he started out Flesh and Blood, and now he's totally
in the WU camp with even some of the books

(52:11):
he's wrote Quantum Bigfoot. This is his last book, so
he's definitely there. You've got to keep an open mind.
That's how we feel about it. And since we've had
a few experiences that we totally can't explain and you're
hearing things that you can't see.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I don't know if we've been really blessed in this
in what we've done here. We've just been out doing
what we like to do. Anyways, We've had several encounters,
We've got a lot of stuff. He's just been the
last two years. It's like come and present. Oh, We've
been to Missouri, We've been up Central Illinois several times

(52:45):
around down here in southern Illinois. Last year the Bigfoot
Conference at Mount Vernon and was with Ron moorehead, Scott Nelison,
Charlie Raymond. Were really new to doing this.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
This was not something we were even thinking about. We
were just doing our own thing. And we're just basically
country kids down here doing our own thing.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I blow guys hiking. I never once.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Thought about doing anything other than that. We're happy to
be able to share some of our experience, and that's
a big thing because there for a while we didn't
want to time buy it because they think we're crazy.
I'm sixty years old. All of a sudden I'm gonna
tell well, yeah, Bigfoot's really believe. Yeah, it's a real thing.
Everybody's looking at you, like what happened? I tell you

(53:29):
that's but he's sixty eight? Yeah did I say sixty?
But yeah, people look at you like you got three
eyes sometimes and that. We had to get over that
because we didn't want to tell anybody we were collecting
all this stuff, and then finally we just had so
much stuff.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
We're like, we gotta find Yeah, if we collected enough
photos and stuff that we have a photo album. I
carried my truck. If the subject comes up and somebody goes,
I don't believe that, maybe you can tell me what
this is. I can blow that photo album out. Let
them look good. Nine times out of ten they go,
where was that taking that? Here? And here? I know
where that's at? Yeahn't know that's that come from there? Yeah?

(54:08):
I don't know, crazy, I don't know what that is.
You can. You can get them to maybe not even
go to your side, but they'll open up because they're
seeing the photos that we have.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And they do open up. Eventually. People will tell you,
I'll tell you my story. And we've had a lot
of that happened. Since we decided to actually tell people
for big cutters.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yeah, you'll see them. Just go, okay, I'll tell you
all right, I'm gonna tell you what I saw.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Those are my favorite kind of conversations. Before we get
out of here, you mentioned your Facebook group. Tell us
a little bit about your Facebook group.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Our Facebook page is the squatchershe and Squatchers have spelled
s q w A T c h e r S.
It'll have a.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Lot of our sounds and pictures audio there.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
We're two old guys that just got into this for
the heck of it because of what we experienced. It's
blessed the sleep. I had a good time, got to
be a lot of great people. There's a lot of
good people in the beaks that field.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
It's definitely my favorite part of it. I appreciate you
guys coming on and sharing your experiences. Jim and Joe
had a blast talking to you.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Thank you very much. We appreciate you having us on,
giving us an opportunity to explain to your audience some
of our experiences.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
That's really awesome. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
If you guys want to see some of the photos
that we're talking about, you guys can head over to
Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the sasquat Chatasy
blog at the top of the page, and you can
see the stuff that we've talked about here tonight. Gentlemen,
have a good rest of your night. I appreciate it,
We appreciate Thank.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
You very much. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
They say, you.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Don't gotta go home, but you can't stay outside.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Step step step, side step.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Joy this child, that child, everything came right back, right back.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Joy for me. Enjoy staying right there, come it right away.
Side steps still stay start said stasssts, shaknocking, doubts games,

(57:30):
still steps assists used these ps