SO EP:644 The Skunk Ape Lives!

In this episode, Brian welcomes guests Troy and Desi from Florida to discuss their fascinating experiences and interest in Sasquatch. Troy shares how his background as a hunter led him to unexpected encounters with strange sounds and sightings in the woods, which eventually drew him into the Bigfoot community. Desi recounts her upbringing in a folklore-rich environment and moving to Florida, where her own interest in Sasquatch deepened after attending a Bigfoot conference.

Together, they share compelling accounts of whistles, footprints, and unexplained events during their research outings. The episode explores the challenges and importance of evaluating evidence, collaboration within the Sasquatch community, and the potential role of AI and scientific methods in the ongoing search for proof of Bigfoot's existence.

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 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 00:18 Troy's Journey into Sasquatch Research 02:23 Desi's Background and Interest in Sasquatch 05:17 First Experiences and Encounters 05:49 Whistles and Footprints in the Green Swamp 15:10 Analyzing Whistles and Animal Behavior 22:30 Heavy Breathing and Daytime Encounters 29:28 Analyzing Unexplained Audio and Tree Falls 31:21 Reflecting on Personal Experiences and Sightings 33:26 Scientific vs. Paranormal Approaches 35:40 Evaluating Evidence and the Role of AI 38:57 Challenges in Bigfoot Research Collaboration 45:19 The Importance of Comprehensive Evidence 50:18 The Need for Community Collaboration 55:22 Concluding Thoughts and Future Hopes

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I've been on for most of my life. Ever since
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
over the fence, and they would dead once you hit
the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting?

(01:46):
We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Did you see what it was? It enough out here looking.
I'm new to the window now and I don't need anything.
I don't want to go outside. Its fight. Hello, hit

(02:10):
the fuddy out here? What quent On Olter? I thought
of a bitch about text for nine? I don't know easy,
I'm out, Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I folks on to welcome our guest to the show.
It is Troy and Desi from Florida.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Welcome to the show. Troy, Hey, thank you very much.
Brian very happy to be here. I am glad to
have you. Desi, welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Thanks for having me. Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I am glad to have you both. Since there's two
of you guys, we're gonna switch it up here. I'm
going to start with Troy and ask the million dollar
question I ask everybody I bring on the show, what
in the world got you interested in the subject of sasquatch?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
To begin with, Wow, that's always a great question, Brian.
I was a hunter for jeez, since I was a child.
I grew up on a farm up in Connecticut, hunted
all my life. Moved to Florida. He's about thirty years ago,
my sixties now. Never really had any interest in bigfoot sasquatch.
I heard of it, thought of it. Never any interest, however,

(03:10):
down here in Florida, as I was hunting in this
one area, especially in twenty sixteen, that's when all started.
I was out there in the woods a lot, I'd
say at least twice a week in this one area.
I was scouting, setting up blinds, and putting up my
tree stands. When hunting season started, I would sit in

(03:30):
a tree stand, I'd get this really weird howl sound
off to the northwest of where my tree stand was located.
I couldn't figure it out. I would rotate my stands.
I sat in another stand, same general area. I heard
a grunt growl. It was a grunt that turned right
into a growl. So all these little weird things were happening.

(03:53):
Didn't know what they were. I was coming in again
to my tree stand behind me, I'd say, maybe I
don't know. Let's say one hundred and ten feet. I
hear this huge thought boom and there was a two steps,
and I'm thinking, why would a hunter drop down out
of his tree stand behind me? I was looking. I
didn't see anything after that, didn't hear anything, But all

(04:15):
these little things added up. Then I went to the
first big conference down in Florida. It was at the
RP Funding Center. I ran into a group, I started
talking to them. Then we went out doing this stuff.
We didn't have an experience in finding tracks, and DESI did,
and that kind of kicked it all off for me.
I've been full in since then, basically given up hunting.

(04:38):
This is what I do now. It's intense. It definitely
sounds like it.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Desi, I want to ask you the same question, what
got you interested in the subject.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
To begin with a little bit different than Troy's experience
Because being an avid hunter, an outdoorsman, he had that
opportunity to be shook by something that didn't really add
up or makes sense. I'm originally from western Pennsylvania. I
grew up in the eighties and nineties, and we spent
a lot of time out in the woods. Of course,
we were able to unplug. You weren't connected to sulphones

(05:09):
or social media, and time outside with everything to me,
my friends, my family. But nothing like that ever occurred
that made me give what's going on. I grew up
in a family that was very open minded to things
that may not be common or what we believed to
be average, everyday normal sayings. I had a grandfather on

(05:30):
my mom's side the family, a Polish grandfather who raised
us on folklore. So he would tell his stories about ghosts,
to see creatures, this assquatch, and aliens. He had theories
that I'm quite sure if there's a linkage between aliens
and Bigfoot, and you're just trying to process one first

(05:51):
the next, nevertheless combine them. Always just had that interest
from such a young age and never really left me.
The lord mystery behind those things that are not just
common every day are really just what drove me forward.
And spending as much time as I did growing up
in beautiful parts of the Alleghanies, the Lower Highlands near

(06:13):
the Chestnut Ridge area up there as well, which there's
been a lot of experiences in that side of Pennsylvania
that have been well documented and knocking the socks up
of many people. It is built into that culture up there,
that filling out the community. But nobody, and I mean
nobody that was in my age range wanted anything to
do with that stuff. That just wasn't something they were

(06:35):
interested in. Then, when I had an opportunity to move
to Florida, an opportunity to transition down here for work,
I just like Troy, saw some of the advertisements for
the conference on the news, had a chance to go
and meet a lot of people really quick at the
very first conference and everyone after that. You just see
how much bigger and bigger the community gets. A lot

(06:56):
of people come into it with their own kind of
idea of what they believe this may be, but there's
a lot of disagreement and discernment between those theories. So
you're looking for people that you'd share common interest with,
that you could agree most importantly, you get along with,
right So when try and I met. It was one
of those moments where you felt like you already knew

(07:18):
each other, so the conversation was very fluent. It was
probably a week or two later we ended up going
out and we have been triggered around since. Stars kind
of aligned with our relationship and our partnership. The things
we've experienced together, I can't imagine doing it with anyone else.
Who've been very blessed.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Let's get into those experiences. I'll throw it back to you, Troy.
Obviously you were a hunter. You had these experiences while
you're out hunting. Bigfoot wasn't really on your radar at
that point. But once it got to be on your radar,
you went to this conference, you met people like Daisy.
You guys start going out doing your thing. When did
you start having experiences when you went out looking for

(07:57):
these things? Was it automatic the first time you went out?
Did it take a while to get into an area.
Let's talk about where you guys were going, what you
were doing, and what you were experiencing.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Good question. Me and Desi hooked up. We went out
to the Green Swamp. It was really weird because, like
Desi said, we connected real fast. She calls me on
a Thursday night. She says, hey, I've got tomorrow off.
What do you want to do. I says, hey, yeah,
I can go out. So we went out early in
the morning. I think we met around at four thirty.
I think it was might have been four o'clock because
once we got there, we got our stuff together. This

(08:29):
was really the first time me and her went alone.
We get out of the car, get all our stuff together,
we start down this dirt road. Being a hunter, I'm
telling you, you just don't listen as closely as you
should for those odd sounds. You just don't. I blew
off so much stuff in the past, and when I

(08:51):
started having those experiences, I started thinking back and go,
wait a minute, there was something I think paralleling me
in the woods when I was hunting down at Bull Creek.
So we're in the green swamp and we're going through
the trail the path. There there's this whistle and I
blew it off as being maybe a bug or frog something,

(09:11):
it's nothing important. And Desi says to me, hey, that
sounds like a human whistle, and I'm like, no, I
don't think so, I don't think it's anything. We keep
on going down. Then the whistle comes again, and I go,
wait a minute. I think she's right, because now I'm
starting to listen closer. We continue down. We listen for
a little bit. We continue down. Now the whistle happens again,

(09:33):
but it has moved. It was toward northeast and then
it moved to the north. Now it's paralleling us. At
that point we stopped. I broke out my night vision,
which is an old Gen one night vision. We don't
have the equipment that we have today. Back then, I
wish we did the thermals and ill at night vision.

(09:53):
So I'm looking and I don't see anything. We waited
there for me about five minutes, trying to see if
we could see anything. But wistles had stopped, so they
moved from the north east north again. Now they're paralleling us.
We continue down the road again. We hear another whistle,
again parallel with us. We continue further. We hear another whistle,
and this is the critical part. I hear a whistle,

(10:17):
She hears the whistle. We hear a crack. Something stepped
on something that broke it and it was of heavy weight.
So now it's still dark. There's an owl, often of
distance you can barely hear them. There's no other noises.
Might have been a whipper, will I think it is,
And DESI says to me, Troy, what's this? And I
turn around on the ground. She's illuminating with her green

(10:37):
head lamp a footprint six and a half inches long
by three and a half inches wide. Obviously it would
have to be talking bigfoot juvenile. But if you take
that measurement and you measure your grandchild's feet, guess what.
They're six inches long, four years old, six inches long
by about two inches wide. And there's no other tracks.

(10:58):
So now we've got a small child's footprint in the dirt.
There's no other footprint around, no other human tracks, no
other animal tracks, nothing, And we end up finding nineteen
of them. But at that moment, that whistle that had
parallel us continued going west, So that really knocked my
socks off. It took me about three four days to

(11:21):
really process that, to really think, holy cow, this might
be the real deal. This is something important. And after
that one hundred percent in granted, until I see it,
I won't be one hundred percent yes they exist, So
I call myself eighty five percent until I see it,
then we'll be there.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Daisy, I want to talk to you about what you
were thinking, what was going through your brain when you
guys are hearing these whistles and it's moving around, Because
I tell you, what you're describing sounds almost identical to
what I experienced last summer when I had my three
sidings in two days out in the Pacific Northwest in
Washington State. We were getting these whistles. That's initially what

(12:04):
drew our attention to the areas that we ended up
looking and finding these creatures in Again, Deasy, I want
to throw it to you and talk a little bit
about what you were feeling in the moment when you
guys are walking out there in the dark, you're hearing
what sounds like a human whistle. Then you look down
and see this footprint.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
When the whistles started, which were honestly the timing of
it all surely after we hit the trail is when
we heard the first whistle. In that first moment me
thinking it was a human, there is that level of
fear regarding our safety. Then real quick you're running through
things in your mind of what that could be. Then

(12:42):
also stepping back and thinking okay, we're the only cars
at the trail head. It is four thirty five am
on a Friday morning, meaning that people probably are not
up yet or it's a workday, so this area should
not be very heavily trafficked. If that is the case,
then they probably know that, so they may be passing through.

(13:02):
I'm thinking first and foremost the safety piece event. But
then it just clicks right in. With all your readings,
all your podcasts, listening all the documentaries you watch, you
know that there's a good handful of both say, main
pieces of possible evidence that could link to these beings.
So it hits you, and then it continues and you're thinking, Wow,

(13:24):
this Wiley sounds like a text scenario of right time,
great place for us, wrong time, wrong place for them. Right,
so they're probably signaling to something, But of course it's
still a lot to keep in mind, not knowing that
that's exactly what's going to happen to you. Not even
five minutes into getting on the trail, when we got

(13:47):
to the point of identifying the track, we use the
green headlamp a lot aforda looking at certain types of substrates,
and myself specifically, I like to keep it down by
my waist or buy my legs. It's just easier to
see a lot of times when we go out, I'm
looking down at the ground, he's looking forward with whatever
tech we're using at that time, or behind us, just

(14:08):
so we don't miss anything. But you do. You miss times.
There's no way you can capture all of this if
there's something there. But I could not believe it, honestly.
We have our audio, of course, recording the surprise in
our voice and the questioning of what are we looking
at right now, which is very authentic because it was
mind blowing. Like I said, if you've done your research

(14:29):
and you're really into this type of field, this seems
way too good to be true. The only other thing
is if you want to have a sighting and you
want that experience, that is the top notch, right, that's
the Holy Girl. This was as close as I think
we could get to it besides from the sighting. So
trying to connect those stops and in a way with

(14:50):
somebody that's possible eighty five percent believer now to relate
that to him and also honor his beliefs at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Tune for more sasquatch out to sea. We're right back
after these messages.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Because maybe you have a chance to learn more about
us through this or other outlets. We compliment each other.
It's like a whole brain between the both of us,
which is why it worked so well together. But when
we saw that track and we heard the last crack break,
something heavy hitting in the ground and it continue off,
I really didn't know what we were supposed to do.
Then do we stop?

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Now?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Do we document? Do we follow those whistles? We follow
that commotion. It is quiet until you start hearing some
of this morning birds come up, and then the sun
slowly starts rising. Before we knew it, Brian, the sun
was starting to come up. We slowly saw everything through
the green light disappear because the sun was taking it
away from that trail. It just would have been impossible

(15:52):
to see during the daylight if you didn't know it
was already there. So much is going through your mind
trying to figure out what is the best next step,
because if you're not in that position or you happy
Bee rehearsed it, which we've learned a lot from that
moment what we could do better right and leaned on
some great resources in the process. You never can be
too prepared. So a lot of things happened from that
moment forward, but we took that experience and documented everything

(16:17):
we could find. It was like six to seven hours
worth of documentation over a very short amount of square footage.
But we were just hitting the trail heard for lack
of better terms, to make sure we didn't miss anything.
Should we have tasted along the tree line, we'd never
catch up to it. We'd have to go through a
palmetto field, which would have been a bear trying to

(16:38):
get through there without thawing in holes getting injured. Even
though it was over three years ago this past April,
everything is still so vivid of what happened that morning,
both auditory and visually.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
KNY. One more thing, very important point that I forgot
to put in there is that the tracks that we found,
they were heading east on that trail. They stopped, turned
around and started heading back west. So what we think
was our theory is that the whistles were warning to
the little ones that were out on the road out

(17:10):
on that trail, playing around or whatever they are doing,
that listen, we've got some issues going on, or there's
people here. And they turned around and went back, now
my experience with hunting, I've seen the bobcats do it.
I've seen red fox do it. What they'll do is
the fox will come up, they'll do a little growl,
and the little ones will head off back into the
woods some previous location. Same with a bobcat. They'll make

(17:33):
that little growl, they'll head off. So we were suspecting
the same thing happened here.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I'm so glad you said that, because if that's where
I was about to go with my questioning, I was
going to throw it back to you and ask you this.
This is one of these things that has baffled me
about these creatures, because, as I said, we had a
very similar experience with the whistling when we were out
in the Pacific Northwest last summer. Had these things not
brought our attention to them by making these noises, these sounds,

(18:02):
these whistles, we would have never known they were there.
And this happened so many times, and so many of
these encounters. It'll huff, it'll growl, it will bring something
to the table that brings attention to these creatures. It
has always fascinated me that they are the hide and
seek champions that's the joke, that's the T shirt. Everybody's

(18:24):
seen it on a bumper sticker. Yet, in order for
most people to have their experiences where they actually get
to see these creatures, they put themselves in positions or
in situations where it's unavoidable. Have you given any thought
to that? I think you've already answered the question about
what you think happened, But was that your immediate go to?

(18:47):
Did you have that moment where you said, why in
the hell were these things whistling? Because we would have
never known they were around if they weren't making these noises.
Did that go through your mind or did you just
automatically go to I've seen that with other animals, and
I think this is what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
So what happened with me is that as we are
going through this whole process, hearing the sounds and finding
the tracks, putting all the evidence together at the end,
it just came into a theory. Of course you want
to throw in the animal behavior because you would do it,
you'd whistle what typically I have seen and you look
at most of this evidence that you see what typically
happens when you do see this a sasquatch, either a

(19:25):
juvenile or a young one has made a mistake, is
out there goofing around, and then the adult has to
jump in and do something, make the whistles, they show
itself to correct it, to save that little one, or
possibly if they're feeding, if they're starving, they've got to
go out. They have to get out there and do something,
or they just make a basic mistake. Their mind's not there.

(19:46):
I've seen that in animals, and it's rare. You take
a buck, a swamp buck, they're going to get into
the deepest area, the most isolated area, and they'll try
to stay within that area for a long time. And
you can tell by the antlers, especially, don't old buck.
The antlers are dark, and the reason they're dark is
that the sun doesn't hit them and bleach it out.
So the younger ones, you'll see, they're more bleached because

(20:08):
they're out there and they're hunting around. The swamp bucks
are staying deep inside the shadows, so they're going to
be making mistakes and that's when you're going to catch them.
It's going to be a young one's food. Maybe mating season.
We don't know anything about their mating habits yet, but
that could be a possibility as well.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Does the same question for you, Have you given thought
to what was going on with the whistles? Why they
do these things that make it impossible not to see
them or experience them.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's another great question what Troy said about the animal behavior, Like,
that's really what we're trying to identify, right, so we
can predict what may happen at a certain location based
on maybe experiences or frequency, or just the perfect combination
of different data. I think there were two things that
probably went through. Remind at the time we started hearing

(20:55):
the whistles, were the whistles drawing attention, so we went
towards and not continued. Now, if we both had not
that those were authentic, we still don't know. But we
feel pretty darn good that they were sasquatched whistles because
of the other things that followed then the other audio experience.
But if we were on the same page of that moment,

(21:17):
knowing the two of us, we were gone that direction.
We were gone into the brush to see to figure
out what that was. But there was hesitation because we
obviously weren't sure. We're still trying to. We're learned who
we are in the dynamics of each other and then
stuff this deep right when it's dark and relying on
minimal light to not cause attention to yourself. It's tough

(21:40):
to get through that area and very easily to get
lost once you're in there because it's so back, so
possibly getting us obviously paying attention to them and not
what's lying ahead. But we ignore it, and then they
keep doing it as a signal of hey, I'm here,
come towards me, or little ones get going off the
trail turn around. But the transition and mark that Troy

(22:00):
mentioned that is vital because it literally was active steps
this way in like a mark like where you saw
something turn scuffed in that substrate going the other way
like a quick U turn. We don't often see that
type of mark on that trail to begin with. People
weren't scuffing their boots, dragging anything. Bike tires are another thing,

(22:22):
but you'd see tread in it. It wasn't that type
of stuff. A lot of that going on at the
same time. Plus this was right after hunting season ended
that time. It is also important because now they are
aware of who the possible enemies are our douring hunting season.
You've got us often wearing camo because we try to

(22:44):
be as stealth as possible. Right, So you've got these
ideas either go in stealth and see if you can
find something, or go in and make noise and see
if they get curious and confind you, or look for you.
So we're trying to be as quiet as possible and
as inconspicuous as possible. But hunting ends. So why are
there people out there and camel at this time? Right?
There should be nobody out here that is wanting to

(23:05):
find us or not to find them, find their pray. Right,
we're taking their animals away from them. So all those
factors come into plane and it literally paints its still
of the story and you can just see it step
by step. We still have so much to learn, Right,
this isolated incident maybe not common for other people that
hear whistles. It could have been something else that happened.

(23:25):
We've heard other whistles and not heard anything else on
other occasions, and we try to track those whistles and
then they move so fast, but it's not making sense.
The whistle moves too fast for us to keep up
with it. If it is indeed fact the sasquatch whistle.
So yeah, I think you pull in maybe the animal behavior,

(23:46):
the human behavior, somebody protecting their loved ones. Now, if
we got up there had no tracks and we ignored
those whistles, we won't be having this conversation today because
you probably want to talk voice about it. But the
elements of how that sound is, just like the one
of the three of us doing a classic whistle, was
too common to deny. When you're a moment and you

(24:07):
hear no birds and you hear no bugs, that's an
odd filling as well, because you should be hearing something
out there, anything out there, and what it's zach quiet
and you're just hearing those noises. There's more to it
as well.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
In my opinion, I see it all the time.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's got to be about the totality of the circumstances,
one or two things happening independent of all the other stuff. Eh,
you can chalk it up to whatever. But there's so
much stuff that's happened to me over the years that
I've now had experiences, and I look back very much
like you were saying earlier, Troy, you let so much
stuff go because you weren't thinking about bigfoot. You weren't
thinking about this. Again, it could have been something perfectly natural.

(24:46):
But when you look back in retrospect, knowing what you
know now hindsight's twenty twenty, it may have been more.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
To that situation. I know.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's not the only experiences you guys have had. Who
wants to talk about what happened to you next?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
We've also had very heavy breathing. You'll hear the sound
of the intake of the air and the exhale. We've
had several encounters with that. One time at night when
it happened, we hear this going on. We're sitting there going,
what the heck is this? Had no clue. Again, I
had my old jen I didn't upgrade as of yet.

(25:19):
I turned on that IR light stopped. Now I was
using the eight forty illuminator on that thing. So the
eight forty has that little red illumination that you can see.
Our eyes can see, maybe their eyes can see even
the nine forty we don't know yet. But it stopped,
absolutely stopped and didn't start up again. That was bizarre.

(25:40):
It was interesting because the IR light whatever did they
saw it and they'd stopped. Now, Deisy thought that was
really close to us. I thought it was like, I
don't know, maybe seventy five to one hundred yards away,
but she thought it was right there. She urged me
at that point to pull my firearm and be ready
because it sounded it was that close. I'm like, no,

(26:01):
it's far enough away, being goofy or not paying attention.
But I was into the moment and it was wild.
Now we've also heard that again in another location. This
time though along with it we heard breaking a brush
with it again. It started. Matter of fact, we were
sitting there and we were just having a casual conversation

(26:23):
relatively open area across an older path into some very
thick growth in that side. That's where we heard the
heavy breathing. The breaking of the brush was going on.
That stopped us. I went down the road a little
bit to see if I could see it. Didn't see it.
It stopped. It's so frustrating because it's right there and

(26:44):
you don't see it. We really want to get eyes
on this. We've got whistles and more it des can
tell you more about this.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yeah, both of those experience with the heavy breathing. The
first experience with that one was like two weeks after
we came across the morning of the tracks, so the
timing was very close to our first experience with interesting
audio and interesting footprints. That one really did scary. I

(27:14):
remember dropping my recorder, tramping on my recorder. You'll hear
people say it reverberates you. It did not do that.
I want to clarify, but my heart had been going
so fast that it felt like it was in my throat.
Just the whole experience was very scary, especially hearing something
which I did so was very close to us. The
air even felt like something was close to us. Thinking

(27:39):
we may get attacked at this point, I'm not thinking sasquatch.
I'm thinking animal. I'm thinking something is going to attack
us that way. I didn't happen to my head that
it was sasquatch. It was more of a fight or
flight moment. The second occasion was during the day twelve
one in the afternoon. That was the second thing Troy

(27:59):
just mentioned. Before we got to this location where we
started just having a heart to heart, having some water
to take a break, I had made a call. I've
never done a call during the day, and I thought
what to heck, I'll just make a call. Let's do
a call, because I love reviewing audio. I love having
the opportunity to look at it and see if I
can identify anything that seems to be an outlier of

(28:21):
what we usually see or hear. It had to be.
With send fifteen twenty seconds, we get two of these
really long howl calls that immediately follow from a pack
of coyotes. Really allowed chatter read coyotes. So the first
and second calls may have been the coyotes, but they
were uniquely different than the pack coming together at calling.

(28:44):
So either I woke the coyotes up with that call
or they were two different possible species. Even comparing those
first two long calls, we haven't heard that since in
coyotes we usually hear a similar pattern and they're ad
but they do have how many different noises that they make,
so it could have been that. But the point making

(29:05):
with this is this all happened on that second time
with the heavy breathing. It all happened on the same
day with coyotes going off, us hearing the movement through
the trees, us thinking once again, is that an animal?
Is that a predator or a danger? What an interesting
point with That is when he started walking up to
see if you could identify what was coming through the
tree line. He said, does pull your bear mace? He said,

(29:30):
take the clip off. I got it out. He started
walking up with his hand done. As soon as I
pulled the clip off the bear mace, everything stopped. No
more motion, no more heavy breathing. Everything just stopped. He
started comparing those notes. Okay, if it was an animal
and they thought somebody had a gun and we were

(29:51):
the predators, would they stop? Okay, yep, that would make sense.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see we're right
back after the east messages.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Or would they be more intelligent another being or whatever.
How would they've reacted to that? Would they have stood
still and not moved, or other animals would have tried
to spurry away? While that goes through your minds as well.
So those were of all the day experiences, and we
don't usually have very many day experiences. Most of our
stuff happens very late at night for very early in

(30:26):
the morning. That was probably one of the more unique
with the sounds and the movement, and then of course
the heavy breathing. We've had things at dusk whistles again
that we're trying to track and we think we're making
progress out of nowhere. Mother features send you a pop
up storm and you get completely rained out. When you

(30:49):
look at the radar under a tarp under a big
oak tree and you see the radars literally just right
over to coop with the two of you, it was
like a it may not be your time then to
find whatever that noise is coming from. We've had some
of those interesting whistles as well. More recently we've had
tree knocks, pretty prominent tree knocks, and this was three

(31:12):
four in the morning. We do a lot of things surrounding,
like it said, the night or the early morning outings.
And if we do a night outing, we're staying over.
It's a tarp above you, maybe a tarp below ya,
couple camping chairs and all of your equipment. You're just
hosted up there waiting to see what the night life
brings you. Often those are the most productive and fruitful.

(31:35):
We've had trees fall, Brian. We know, like trees fall
all the time, it's odd or rare that people hear
them fall. We've had a lot of trees falled very
close to us. More than we can count, so that
maybe based on the amount of times we're out there,
we do the data and the percentage is reasonable. Hearing
trees fall, very big trees fall around you once the

(31:56):
head scratcher as well. We possibly caught a say that
very strongly on Ohio how a couple of weekends ago,
way in the distance. When you're dissecting that audio again,
if you heard it live and then you go back
and listen again, you're just trying to piece out all
together to see what's what. But that was another interesting
that I heard a lot of calls that we couldn't define.

(32:17):
At some point we thought we heard people talking. The
errors are remote, but it's not as remote as when
you're in the Pacific Northwest like it is Florida. We've
had a lot, but we just have not had that visual.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's interesting you bring up the trees falling because I've
had weird situations here on our property in North Carolina
where I have captured them on audio very close to
the audio recorder. I have searched high and low, and
I cannot find the tree that I recorded falling clearly
on the audio. And what sounds like I think I

(32:50):
hear what sounds like bipedal footsteps on the audio as well.
I can't confirm that. All I confirm is it's definitely
the sound of a tree coming down. If you do
this long enough and you talk to enough people and
you ask the right questions. In general, you can ask
tons of people who go out in the woods. We
live in the woods, so it happens more often for

(33:10):
us because we're here twenty four hours a day, seven
days a week, three hundred and sixty five days a
year in the middle of nowhere in the woods, we
hear trees falling. But you can ask people. If you
ask the average person who considers themselves a hiker or
outdoors person, whatever, how many times they've actually heard a
tree fall in the forest, I guarantee you the number

(33:33):
is going to be much lower than you think it
would be. That in and of itself doesn't mean a lot.
But when you're having these experiences where you guys are
going out ten times, and maybe two of those times
you're hearing trees fall close to you in the middle
of the night, that to me is important data. I
wouldn't dismiss that so much out of hand. You guys

(33:55):
are anybody else listening because I think there may be
something to it's what I'm saying. I know you may
not have had a siding, but don't you believe at
some point in time you might have caught a glimpse
of one of these things.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah, reflect back on various different experiences, it's hard to
process that and hard to I don't even know say
it out loud, just because I don't want to mislead anybody,
and I don't want people to think it's so easy
going out there just to see and piece it all together.
So it's hard to I don't know sure that those experiences,

(34:26):
but I definitely think that there's moments there was more
to what was going on. It's maybe a glimpse of
something real quick. You kind of wonder, is it like
your third eye? Is it something you're hoping that's part
of this experience you're going through that kind of make
it even brighter than it was before. But nothing definitive

(34:46):
to say that's exactly what I saw now. Emotions and ceilings.
I know it's hard. You can't tie emotions and feelings
into scientific research. I get that, but the more you
go out there and do this, the more you get
connected to every form of nature that you do notice
the subtle differences, like we've been filtering through this or

(35:11):
streaming through this conversation. You get way more comfortable when
you establish that comfort and that connectivity to nature. I
feel you're more apt to have an experience and see
something because you've developed yourself into that person that really
wants to be somebody that has that and can share
and help others through whatever those moments were for those

(35:33):
that have had experiences, but also help whatever the world's
going to do when and if this creature, this life form,
whatever it may be, is discovered, be protective and it's
going to probably rewrite our history. So there's a lot
more to it when you think back of it. So
I don't want to disclose more than I should, but

(35:55):
definitely I think there's been moments where you feel that
it's there. It's just did you see what you thought
you saw?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Jory.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I want to kick it back to you for a second.
And this is one of these questions that comes up
often on the show because there are camps in this
There's the Flesh and Blood camp, there's the WU camp,
the high strangeness.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Everybody has their approach to this.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I've made no qualms about it. Everybody who knows me
and listens to this show knows where I am on that.
But my feelings about that has changed based on my
own experiences. I am a very flesh and blood scientific
approach to the subject. But when you do have strange
experiences in relation with these sightings or in relation to

(36:40):
experiences with these creatures, I don't really know what box
to put that in, or if there is a box
to put it in. Frankly, glowing eyes, some of the
weirder super natural superabilities that these creatures seem to have.
Where do you fall on that spectrum. I'm certainly not
asking you to plan a flag here by any means,
but I'm curious about your approach to this. Obviously, it's

(37:02):
a very scientific method type approach that it seems that
you are taking in the woods. But are you open
to these other weirder, stranger, high strangeness sort of experiences
and where does that fall on your radar when you're
doing this type of research.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I like the question because I was an engineer most
of my life. Getting into this really had to break
me out of some of that be a little bit
more open minded. Now, I am a flesh and blood guy.
If you really want to nail it all down, We've
got a couple videos PG Film, Freeman Film. We one
hundred percent sure they are the real deal. They're the

(37:39):
best we've got, so I accept them. The other things
that we have, our footprints. Footprints are left, they're solid.
There's something that has been left behind by something, whether
it's a hoax or whether it's the real animal, that's
what we've got. It's up to us to make sure
that we do our due diligence on that track, to
make sure that it is not a hoax. That we've

(38:02):
got the real dealsplayed toes. That's not always the case, right,
Sometimes they're not splayed, but there's certain telltale signs that
you can look on their movements up to toes, the
shape of the heels, the mid tarsl some of the
other things as well. Then again, most of this stuff
is theory. So once we get into maybe I don't
want to say paranormal, but some odd things, it's still evidence.

(38:24):
So I put that in a box over here, and
if I get enough, if I get enough evidence that
goes into that box, I have to look at that
box there's no question. There's no question being a scientist
or an engineer. If you've got evidence and don't know
where to put it, but it's there, you have to
look at it. You can't deny it. So yes, I'm

(38:47):
flesh and blood. I believe in hardcore evidence. However, if
there is a trend, and it might be paranormal or whatever,
it's still a trend that needs to be looked at.
So that's where I land. Some people are much better
at that than I am, a lot better. I try
to stick to what I'm good at that. I would
probably go out to other resources if I do have

(39:09):
trends or evidence along that line, and pull on them
to help me identify what I'm looking at.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Does the same question for you? Where are you on
the high strangeness and.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
The wu Having grown up the way I did with
just that open minded look at life, thinking of other
things that are maybe unworldly per se that we don't
see on a daily basis, I definitely don't close any.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Of those doors off, because we've had things odd happen
to us out there in the woods as well that
we can't explain that sometimes make it even scarier than
the things you are hoping you can explain. But when
it comes down to what is going to get the
attention and what is going to be able to be
analyzed and studied, it's going to be the stuff in

(39:53):
black and white. I think if this life form we'll
call it, is some in the mix of all of this,
all these oddities slipping in and out of possible different worlds,
if there's truly something unbelievable that it's there one moment
and gone the next, how are we ever going to

(40:13):
prove somebody like that. It just seems so unrealistic, right
if you put all your efforts in that area, I
just don't see how that kid lead to something proving
it exists, because it just seems like you don't even
have a method for that. It's come a long way
with that type of the blue or hide strangeness piece
of things, but there's really no way we're going to

(40:35):
be proving anything like that. Lists We have work we're
doing with physics and things like that, but the scientific
piece of that makes it just more credible, easier to document,
and we just have more of that type of information
that we can share and collaborate with others across the country.
Of not the world, but those oddities they are, they

(40:56):
could be something completely different, like for us to think
that we're the only things that exist, the who we're
talking about, like, we'll have to believe in something that's
a little bit more what doesn't meet the eye, right.
I take everything into consideration, but we know how far
that's going to get this field based on what we've
seen so far. Now, if the field is going to

(41:16):
take a shift and you've got, like you're saying, these
three defined unique approaches, I'd like to see how some
of the others stacks up that I've not seen anything
that can really hold as credible when it comes to
the high strangers or the weirdness or whose side of things.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Let me go back to you, Troy on some of
the evidence that we've talked about. You mentioned the Framan footage.
You mentioned footprint. I have gone through this myself. I've
cast probably six or seven individual feet and or pairs
of footprints on and around our property here in North
Carolina over the last four years. I held on to

(41:57):
a lot of that evidence for a long time before
I put it out there because I was fully aware
of the fact that I am the Bigfoot podcast guy
who just happens to buy forty acres in the middle
of nowhere in North Carolina, and oh now he appears
to have bigfoot activity on his property. Winkwink, nod nod. Wow,

(42:17):
imagine that.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Dot com. I'm aware of that.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
So I held on to that for a while because
the last set that I cast, I think it was October, a.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Now they were literally too good in my opinion, perfect
beautiful footprints. I was able to cast them both, and
I was absolutely stoked to the point I think I
told four people right because I knew what people were
going to say once I decided to share that, because
I've had that happen in the past when I've had
evidence out there. Well, here's where I'm going with my

(42:47):
long winded segue into this. Once I put those out publicly,
the first thing people said to me was have they
been verified as sasquatch footprints? And my answer, because I'm
smart ass, was oh, where does one go for a
verification on an unknown, unproven, undocumented creature that's not supposed

(43:08):
to exist? Where does one do that verification? I knew
what they were talking about. Two names immediately has Jeff
Meldrum or Cliff Brickman examined these footprints. No, they haven't,
but I mailed them to Cliff. He was in the
process of doing that. Whatever Cliff has Jeff's going to
look at. I've even posted it on my social media.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Cliff did this.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Really cool three D model of the footprints the cast
that I sent him. He texted it to me. I
was stoked to see it. He sent that to Jeff.
Jeff's looked at him. They both think they're legitimate Sasquatch footprints. Okay,
now what it's been verified. I've seen a trend with evidence,
and I'll be honest with you. Since I had my
experiences last summer. I got to see these things three

(43:52):
times in two days. Wow, I know they're real. I'm
one hundred percent all in. I was ten feet away
from this creature. I know what I saw, so I
don't really care about evidence anymore. I know that sounds horrible.
People are like, what do you mean? I do because
I like seeing it. I love very much like Udisi.
I am an audio person. I love to listen to audio.

(44:13):
I get a ton of audio that people send me.
I don't know any more than anybody.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Else about it. I just think it's cool and I
want to listen to it.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I think we're at this point where people are now
using AI. We've done entire shows about this over on
that Bigfoot podcast. People are using AI for potential audio, photographs, video,
and footprint casts. I've had arguments with people. People looked
at me like I was crazy when I said I

(44:41):
didn't really give a shit about people looking at my
tracks because I was confident that I didn't make them.
Nobody else came on my property to make them. I
didn't need that for myself, but other people need that validation.
And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll
be right back after these messages. I'm seeing this trend

(45:05):
of people thinking AI is the end all be all
to solve all of our problems when it comes to
Bigfoot and frankly everything else in the world. But I'm
very cautious because I've done my own experiments. I've ran
audio from other people through AI programs that I use
on a daily basis for the show, creating show notes, visuals,
those kind of things. I get a result from AI.

(45:27):
But if you alter the prompt just slightly, you'll get
a different result. You can tailor this to what you
want it to be. Basically, I've had this argument with
Steve Coles, the Squatch Detective. Not really an argument. Steve's
a friend of mine. We don't really argue, We just
disagree sometimes because.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
He uses this a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I looked at it, like you said earlier about the footprints.
What if it doesn't have displayed toes, can it still
be a Sasquatch print? What if the heel doesn't look
the same as mine, but it could still be a
Sasquatch print. I've been out in Missouri. I'm actually doing
the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I'll be a special guest
speaker there and we're doing a camp out after that

(46:08):
here in a couple of months out in Missouri, Shane
Carpenter at the four hundred, he and Randy Harrington have
cast tons of footprints. Guess what they're casting. They started
out casting six to seven inch footprints very similar to
what you guys found in Florida, with a clear arch
to the foot. It's not a mid tarsl break. It

(46:29):
is an almost human arch on these feet, and people
including Jeff Meldrum have called bullshit basically on some of
these footprints or these casts, because they don't meet what
is the expectation of what a sasquatch footprint looks like

(46:50):
or is supposed to look like. I said all that
to say I think we have to be very careful
when it comes to evidence and how we evaluate it.
There are no experts in bigfoot period. Doctor Jeff Meldrum
is an expert in anthropology and foot morphology for bipedal creatures,
including apes, hominids, homin ends, but he's not a big

(47:11):
foot expert. I love Cliff to death. Cliff as a
dear friend of mine. He wrote the forward to my
first book. But Cliff is not a big foot expert.
And Cliff will be the first person to tell you
he's not a big foot expert, because when I was
sending my cast, I had a phone conversation with him
and I was like, the people are wanting to know
what you have to say, and he was like, you
know they're real. You knew that were real before you

(47:33):
sent them to me. What does it mean if I
give you my blessing or if Jeff says they're real?
Then what we just know what we already knew collectively.
Where are you on the evidence? I guess, Troy is
my question for you, how do you feel about the evaluation?
Because you could very well go out tomorrow and cast
a footprint that you send to Jeff Meldrum and he says,

(47:54):
that's bullshit. It's a person's footprint, and you know it's
not whether you're collecting it or other people. What is
your litmus test the way you approach evaluation of evidence
for yourself, Bright, It's.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Exactly what you said earlier. You have to take the
full experience of what had occurred to really identify what
the evidence really means. I think what I'm saying is
that it's just not a single footprint. Like our experience.
We had a footprint. We had nineteen of them, including
knuckle tracks, but we also had the whistles. The whistles

(48:29):
moved along with us. They continue past us. Once we
stopped and we focused on the tracks. We had that break.
It wasn't a bird that broke that branch. That was
a big old branch. You could hear it. Something stepped
on it, and I think it made a mistake. I
think it stepped. It wasn't thinking, and it broke that
branch when it stepped on it because it was thinking
about the little ones. So you take all that evidence together,

(48:52):
you have to use all that evidence to come up
with what you had. You really do. There's an area
that I've gone to many times that I've had whistles
in this area, and the whistles will move on me
and they'll disappear. There'll be a soft whistle, lout whistle
as the whistles will move away from me. Right, So
it's not a bird obviously, putting that evidence all together,

(49:15):
why does it keep on moving? Why is it disappear
for two weeks, three weeks and as we go further
deeper into the woods, we hear it again and then
it disappears from that area. So that whole scenario it
took many weeks and months over that time to develop. Okay,
these whistles are moving, they don't come back to where

(49:37):
they're originally from. They appear that it's the same or
very similar to the whistle that we heard that early morning.
So if you look at that evidence as well, we've
got a trend there or one hundred set No, but
it's still evidence, and we're keeping that. I can't throw
it out. I have to use it, and that's what

(49:57):
we should all do. But look for trends. Look for
that evidence, whether it's crazy or not. Some people say
some of this stuff is crazy, right, But if it's
a trend, it's a trend. You have to take all
that stuff into consideration instead of just throwing it out.
And I agree, right, there's no experts in this. I
have heard that they will have an arch just like humans.

(50:20):
Some of us have flat feet, some of us, as
I understand it, they have a mid tarsel. I don't
know enough about the foot to be able to say
anything about that, but that's what they say, and I
just keep that in my mind. When we come upon that,
I'm going to reach out to people a foot expert
or someone else as a biologist, and we'll talk and
try to put all that information together and try to

(50:40):
grow it from there. I think that is the best approach.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
The other thing I was gonna say in my diatribe
with audio as well, it's the same thing with AI.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Steve was using AI and I've done this myself.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I've put audio clips into these AI programs and it
comes back it's possibly an unknown ape species, or it's
an unknow hominid of some sort. I've done those experiments
on my property where I've made the vocalizations. I'll go
do pant hoots and other things on my property. Record it,
bring it back, put it through. It says the same thing. I,

(51:12):
according to some of my AI programs, am an undiscovered primate.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
You're having an interview right now according to AI, with
an undiscovered primate. That's another reason in my opinion, to
be careful in dismissing whole cloth.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I think there needs to be a different approach to
evaluating people's evidence because I think we're so quick to
throw the baby out with the bathwater if this person
says this, or that person says that, or old AI
is the end all, be all and says this. I
think it's the totality of the circumstances, just like experiences
or encounters or whatever you're talking about when you're measuring evidence.

(51:50):
So I'm always cautioning people, at least you listen to
this show, because most people come at this from I
think the right way when they're evaluating evidence. But but
it's so difficult as things like technology continue to advance
and technology is fantastic. Technology makes my job so much
easier than it was just a couple of years ago

(52:11):
doing this full time, but it makes mistakes. It's not perfect.
You have to have that human element. And I think
when people are using AI, and I think that's where
this is going to trend to, people are going to
pop up an image. Okay, images, if it's created by
AI is going to be able to know that immediately,
but even audio and certainly putting in models or photographs

(52:36):
of potential casts of bigfoot foot prints. AI doesn't know
what to do with that. Again, I think you have
to fall back on the science of someone who knows
the makeup the morphology of a foot, whether it be
a primate, whether it be a great ape, whether it
be human beings. That's where I'm going. I'm not going

(52:57):
to put that into AI and rely on what AI.
I say is on the other end, I've said my
piece about AI does the same question for you, Where
are you on evidence, whether it be what you have
gotten yourself, whether it be audio, photos, or you're evaluating
other people's evidence. How do you approach that in your research?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Yeah, I'm definitely when it comes to the things we've captured.
More comfortable with the audio review just because of the
software and the system, and just allow myself to dive
into that and wanting to learn more on how to
use it and make the most use out of it
to help us alone, because often if it is just
the two of us and we're out there at night
or the early morning, we're going to hear things more

(53:36):
than we're going to see anything. And I know that
type of evidence. There's catalog of audio from all walks
of life, right, so we have this main database, similar
to what you're saying a little bit ago about the aipiece.
There's this main database that we could rely on that
you could dump the audio into that's peer reviewed, academic

(54:00):
support and has that level of discernment status to it
to help us along and see how many pieces of
that audio are similar to other pieces caught throughout the
country if we did that, because we honestly know that
our community can't be that big. You've gotten to how
many conferences, Brian's You've hosted conferences, You've spoke at conferences?

(54:21):
Troy and I've been to a few down here, We've
spoke at one. I've been up the Tennessee's conference. The
community is not that big, and I think when they
have those type of events, a lot of people just
come that are interested in wanting to learn more. They're
not actually physically out there doing the research. So we
actually identified who is doing the day to day grunt work. Right,

(54:42):
you can bring all of this information that they gathered
and you learn more about that person, that team that here,
and how that stacks up to what other people are doing.
I think we would have more productive evidence shown across
the border. Then we deal with this Piecemells effect throughout

(55:02):
our country at least I know. At the same time,
you may have something that, like your case in point,
with the footprints you found on your property, there's more
to you as an individual because of your history in
this field, your occupation, your podcasts, your books. Jory was
talking about evidence stacking up and painting that entire picture

(55:24):
for that day, or putting that puzzle together a little
bit more to complete. Should you have way more credibility
that should stack into that verse. Maybe someone that we're
not quite sure we know much about. If you get
random audio, if you get a random photo or an
eboll that says, hey, go check out this area. You
gotta know more about that person, especially nowadays more than ever,

(55:46):
to see if you feel comfortable and believing what they're
sharing with you or telling you what you possibly want
to look into. But I think if we narrowed down
in our country, if it is the ones that we
probably more well known know like the Liptop Project, maybe
the NAWAC and we've got some researchers up in the Northeast,
we get researches in the Southeast. I'm sure there's research

(56:08):
groups in the Midwest and in the West that could
actually work together. Setting pride aside. I know this is
like a pipe dream or something. Setting pride aside and
allowing each other to just come together on some platform
where a conference isn't us talking about our experiences only,

(56:29):
or us hearing about somebody's expedition in another country, but
we actually came and taught each other and shared or
work together, I feel things would cross so much more
than we ever realized. We've got great resources out there,
like the Bigfoot mapping project, but we know a lot
of those experiences are pulled from historical data that weren't

(56:52):
always captured appropriately. We talk about this all the time.
You know, you want to look for a hotspot or
a target zone just in Florida. You may find some
primary areas, but then you dig in and that doesn't
make sense and that's not in that location. That job
wasn't done well, and then you have to dismiss it
because there's nothing there to use. We possibly have the
answer to this. If we combined everybody's efforts that actually

(57:15):
are out there doing things and have things to show
that could be reputable, we'd be possibly further along than
we are now. But there's a lot to it, and
everything is subjective. You hear something one time, you read
something one time, and then what are we all off
to the next best thing? Anii's the next best thing.
Let's create funny videos, Let's have some We write our

(57:37):
paper for college, the WEE radar resume for us, and
then it starts taking over the world. But there's got
to be a faulter. There's got to be something that
we adopt that garbage. I know academically, there's systems. Professor
tosses it a paper, it'll tell you what components of
that was driven by AI. Yeah, Brian, I think we'd
probably be further along now if we had some more
that camaraderie and sharing of resources and trusting each other,

(58:00):
but it takes time. Probably most of us rather be
in the what's see what we can find. Hope that
helped answer it, but like that was a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Very well said.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I'll be honest with you, people have reached out to
me multiple times over the last couple of years for
whatever reason, they were trying to nominate me as the
person to bring everybody together, because we've done entire shows
on that very subject of Hey, we've got people out
doing their thing. You've got the Olympic Project, you've got

(58:28):
the NAWAC at Area X, you've got the BFRO. Say
what you want about Matt Moneymaker and the BFRO, it.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Is what it is.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You've got all of these people doing separate things in
other areas. My thing was, hey, why if the problem
seems to be at Area X is just having coverage.
They go out there in the summer months, they work
in teams, they rotate in and out, but they only
cover three, four, five, five months, maybe six months. The

(59:02):
rest of the time, there's nobody there that's done somewhat
by design, so the creatures aren't stressed out, they're not
constantly dealing with humans. But here's the problem. There's not
been one photo, one video. Now there's tons of audio,
and there's a ton of anecdotal stuff coming out of

(59:23):
Area X. I've been trying to plan a trip out
there for a couple of years. I thought I was
gonna get there.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
This year.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Doesn't look like it's gonna happen, But hopefully I'll get
out there next year because of the experience. The anecdotal
evidence that's come out of there is, in my opinion,
second to none for a long term what somebody would
call a habituation or cohabitation situation with these creatures.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
The problem is they.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Don't have enough boots on the ground to cover it
twenty four to seven, three sixty five for maybe a year, two,
maybe three. So my thing was, Okay, we have an
Area X, we know there's activity there, these creatures are there,
we just don't have enough coverage. There's thousands, tens of

(01:00:08):
thousands of BFRO members who go out every single week
and do expeditions in different places. You see them all
over the place. I don't think there's a state in
the Union that doesn't have a BFRO membership, and that
doesn't do some sort of bigfoot activity, i e. Expeditions.
Why not just collaborate, bring all the BFRO members into

(01:00:32):
Area X. You've got your coverage for three hundred and
sixty five days, twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
A day for a year at least maybe two or three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
But nobody will do that because it's mine. Every time
I bring somebody in, something bad happens, or this person
doesn't respect this rule so they can't play here. I
get it all the time, and I get it. I've
had these conversations with Shane Carpenter about the four hundred.
He and Randy have invited people out there who screwed them,
who ended up bringing people back when they weren't there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
It was a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
So I know that happens, and I think it boils
down to when you involve more than one person, you're
gonna have these issues. If there's two people, there's two opinions,
there's two everything, and that's when the sauce gets ruined.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
So I too wish that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Would happen, and I believe wholeheartedly as you eloquently said, Deisi,
we would be so much farther along in this journey
if everybody would work together. The four horsemen didn't work together, right,
They didn't like each other because they all had very
different opinions on this subject. It's just human nature, unfortunately,

(01:01:41):
and as long as humans are looking for bigfoot, I
think we're going to be stuck on the three yard
line where we've been for the last five decades unless
something changes, and I don't know that it can. I'm
an optimist. My glass is always half full, so I'm
hoping that I maybe will happen eventually. I just don't
know if I'll ever see it in my lifetime, unfortunately.
But you're right, we would be so much farther along

(01:02:03):
if people would work together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And I think there's a way to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I think there would be a way to collaborate and
vet the people that would be coming into these areas,
and you could work together, let the cat out of
the bag, and everybody know the location and all these things.
But I get it, I get the secrecy. I was
going to open up our property here for guided tours
and expeditions at times. We've considered that people have asked

(01:02:30):
for that over the last couple of years since we
started having activity here, and I canceled it over the
last few months because I've been dealing with some crazy
folks in the community, and I don't know that I
could vet everybody to come to the place where I live.
It's a little different from me because it is where
we live, but it's the same principle. I get why
some people would want to share their active areas or

(01:02:53):
their hot spots, So.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
It's just one of those things. It keeps me coming back.
The conversation is always amazing, just like it has been
with you guys. I've had a blast talking to Yell.
Thank you for coming on and sharing your experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Thank you Ryan.

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