SO EP:665 Into The Fray

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
your dog, my dog. We're flying through there, over the tree.
I don't know how it did it, Okay, damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence, and name was dead once you hit the ground.
I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my

(01:26):
dog coming over the fence. Are you reporting we got

(01:47):
some wonder or something crawling around out here? Did you
see what it was? It was enough out here. Look,
I'm new to onedow now and I don't need anything.
I don't want to go outside. Frank, Hello, hit the

(02:10):
fuddy out here. Quote on Melter, I thought of a
bitch about tech foot nine. I don't know em Melter. Yeah,
I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
On, welcome our guest to the show. It is Shannon
from Into the Free. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Thank you, Brian. I'm very happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
This has been a long time coming. I very rarely
get nervous. I don't even know if nervous is the word.
I listened to you on the very first podcast that
I ever got into, back in the day one Sasquatch Chronicle,
So I have known you in air quotes for a
long time. So it's always really cool to hear somebody

(02:47):
on a podcast or meet them out somewhere and then
have them on the show. I am glad to have
you here. I feel like this has been a long
time coming. I'm excited about this conversation. Let's get into
the bigfoot thing. What in the hell got you interested
in the subject of bigfoot to begin with?

Speaker 4 (03:03):
You know what's funny is that I have been asked
this and I wish that I had a really cool answer.
And I'll say, right out of the gate, if you're
not familiar with me, I've not seen a bigfoot. So
if you're waiting for that story, you can just tune out.
I don't have my own dick foot story. Unfortunately, I
am worthless in that category. I may I will say
right now, have heard bigfoot. We can talk about that later,

(03:23):
but I didn't see what I was making it, so
I can't make that one hundred percent claim.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I don't have an inception story like I saw
Bigfoot or a lot of people go.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
It was a legend of Boggy Creek, and I was hooked.
I don't even have that. I don't even remember what
it was when it was. But at some point I
finally got onto my Facebook that I hadn't used in years.
I started to join all these different Facebook groups and
I joined the Sasquatch Chronicles, the main whatever the Facebook
group was back then. Actually I think it was called

(03:55):
Bigfoot Hotspot Radio because that was the original I'm.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Interacting in there.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
I'll what Wes at some point after I don't know
how long reached out. He goes, would you like to
come on the show? I'm like, oh, I don't have
an account or anything. He goes, as a co host,
I feel like we just need another voice in the show,
whatever it might be. And of course I said yes.

(04:19):
But then after you say yes to such a thing,
you're going why pick me?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
However, it was amazing. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
I loved the interaction with Wes and with Will and
with every single person that chose to come on that show,
and some of them I still talk to those people,
like Tracy. Tracy was the gentleman that urinated on a
Bigfoot out of the side of his vand if folks
will remember him, he's come on itf since that was

(04:51):
how I got started in the podcasting side, so I
don't have a cool story about how I got into Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I just finally was.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Going, I'm gonna let my freak flat fly get on
Facebook interact in these Bigfoot groups because I freaking love
bigfoot so much. It fascinates me, and I just love
talking to people about anything that's strange, of course, but
Bigfoot isn't something that I have seen. I've seen a
couple of other things that's weird, but not Bigfoot, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
I got my start in Sasquatch Chronicles, and then at
some point West goes why don't you host your own
show on the side, and that was show Notes with Shannon.
I forget how many episodes there was by the time
I left Sasquatch Chronicles.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
A good little handful people from way back still bring
up snoring Steve.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I had a gentleman that the guest was running behind,
and I was kind of running through calls, and this
is a live to air show. It was just me.
I didn't have a moderator or somebody screening the calls,
and I go to this one gentleman named Steve and
he was sawn Locks. Of course, once it's done, you're
thinking of all these wonderful quips that you should have said.

(06:00):
I'm like, hey, Steve, you there, y, I don't know
whatever I said. Anyway, there were some very painful things
to go back and listen, even when I started into
the fray. As you well know, when you go back
and you listen to yourself in the beginning, you're like, ooh,
I don't know how anyone listens to me. How did
I even gain a following after sounding like this, or

(06:20):
however the audio sounded, however much you interrupted the guest
to all those things, especially with show notes with Shannon
oh Man, I'm like, that was some, but you have
to cut your tea somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
So that's where I did.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
So, Wes is the whole reason that I'm even sitting
here right now talking to you. He will always get
a huge hug and high five for me if you
ever wanted it to Thank you, Wes for giving me
that chance. That's why I'm here, and I'm very thankful
for it.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I am the same way I had a little different story.
Everybody who's listened to the show knows my boring stories
about my experiences when I was a kid and what
got me into the subject. But I, too, like you,
got in to the podcasting world Sasquatch Chronicles was the
first show that I ever listened to. I started at
the most recent show and started working my way back.
So I didn't start with you, Wes, will and Woody

(07:11):
on the show. I did that later on after a
conversation I had with Wes. But I was about three
months into the show. Again, like you, I've talked about
how horrible the audio was. I started recording the show,
initially on my iPhone using a free I think it
was called riv.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Rev was the app? It was horrible.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It used to do this thing where the person that
you were recording I guess it was legally bound to
tell them phone call being recorded or recording in progress.
I had to cut that out. So it was a
beginning for me. Like everybody else in this you don't
really know what you're doing, so you just stumble your
way through it. But about three months into the show,
I got an email from Wes saying, hey, man, I'll

(07:51):
listen to your show. I think it's great, but your
audio sucks. Let me help you with your audio. So
we got on the phone, and after a couple of
hours on the phone, he gave me a list of things.
I still use the same board that he recommended that
he's been using for years, upgraded the microphone, and it
literally changed the audio overnight.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
For the show.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
So I've always credited Wes at least for that part
of the show of saying, Hey, the reason I started
the show because I listened to your podcast and I
really wanted to talk to people in the Southeastern United States.
I was born and raised in Georgia, so I wanted
to talk to people that had those kind of experiences
that I think I experienced when I was a kid
in the Southeastern United States. So I started focusing on that,

(08:30):
and then it just blossomed into I couldn't believe the
show was listened to one hundred and twenty countries around
the world, and fortunately the audio improved enough that people
stuck with the show. But those first few episodes back
in the day, I think I had Jeff meldramon like
episode nine of the show, and I still hadn't figured
out what I was doing so I've had to go

(08:51):
back and try to remaster that. I haven't remastered Jeff's
episode yet obviously just passed away last week. So that's
going to be my tribute I think to him, is
going back and remastering that episode when I first had
him on. We eventually became friends and colleagues after that.
So I've always credited Wes with my success to some
degree in this because he literally changed my audio overnight.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Everybody has that story.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You obviously interested in Bigfoot, You started on what eventually
became the number one bigfoot podcast in the world. That's
a great place to cut your teeth.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
What kept you.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Going in the bigfoot realm? What did your research and
looking into the subject look like for you, and where
did it take you on that journey?

Speaker 4 (09:34):
It literally was just my love for talking to people
and just hearing experiences that ran the gamut from straight
up okay now my mind is they're in the flesh
and blood, and then you talk to the next person
and there's just these little nuggets of strangeness and you're like, gosh,
I wasn't expecting that. And even to this day, I

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prefer people just to send me just a straight up
bullet point list. You can have a little bit of
description after, but I don't even.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Like to know.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I like to know no details. I just feel like
there is just so much more natural that.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Way, at least for me. I don't do any pre.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Interviewing and all these other things, and that's fine if
that works for someone. It just doesn't for me. I
like to hear that stuff raw right when I'm recording.
It just works that way. I'm in Ohio, which the
Lovely grass Man is said to inhabit had Salt Fork
right there when camping, when camping with someone that was

(10:37):
extremely skeptical of Bigfoot. Of course, I am still in
a way absolutely because I still need that confirmation event.
But I do think that they are out there.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Anyhow.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
We go to the primitive campground actually called Bigfoot Ridge
at Salt Fork.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Very fitting.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
We see a gentleman setting up within eyesight within this
primitive campground.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
He's out of this van.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
It's an older van, and I'll just be nice about it,
but it looked like it was on its last leg,
kind of a thing. I see him set up all
these different items, like.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
A well oiled machine.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's just essentially the three of us in this campground
and I'm walking around the campground knows of the ground,
looking at the trees, and I can see him watching me,
this gentleman. Eventually he comes over and he goes, oh,
do you doing. I'm just oh, I'm just looking around
those all kinds of cool animals out here. And I go,
what are you doing here? He goes, I'm studying animal

(11:37):
migration patterns. I go, hluah, are you here for big foot?
He goes, yeah, are you I'm like yeah. It was
one of those high five moments nerds you night. This
is an older gentleman and he lived I think it
was just over four hours away from Salt Fork.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He drove when he could, dang.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Near every weekend, over four hours one way to get there.
Because I think it was the year prior. I actually
haven't revisited this for a while. I'm sorry it was
quite recent. I think within a year or two is
quite recent. He had an experience on a service road
right there behind our campsite with a friend of his

(12:18):
who was an extreme skeptic. It was one of those
within ten to twelve feet encounters with two different size
big butt. The woman was absolutely terrified to where she goes. Literally,
I'm never going on the woods again, which is unfortunate
because obviously she lived over in that area.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Very unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
He however, as you well know, Brian, it's either screw
the woods. I'm gonna move to the desert. They might
come here to Vegas with me. They're done, or they
get completely bit and obsessed by the bigfoot bug and
you just don't know where you're gonna lie with that.
Probably that's why it's always people are telling me to
be careful what.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
You wish for, Shannon.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
I know you want to see one, but you can't
choose your encounter and you're not going to be in
a tank when it happens, so you don't know it's
gonna go down in your head. So anyhow, he has
this encounter, he's there, I'm there. We start shouting away,
and he goes, I'm gonna go back to that same
spot tonight. If you guys want to join me, and

(13:17):
I have a couple different things I'm gonna try.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Heck, yeah, dude, let's do this.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
We're later in the evening. If you've never been to
Salt Fork, the terrain changes so much depending on what
area of the park that you're in. In this particular area,
especially down this service road, you're flanked by areas, of
course regular trees, but then a lot of ground brush,
nasty stuff. You need the muchet date out to just

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handle business if you're trying to cut a trail. Nasty
sitting on this for a service road. Nothing's going on.
We're doing a couple of whoops, a couple tree knocks,
and he goes, I'm gonna tie a glow stick to
a string and start warring this around. Crocodile dundee right,
making a cool noise. We're doing that. We're taking turns.

(14:03):
This is probably two am somewhere around. There could be
a little off on my times. I'm terrible at times
and dates, just so everyone knows. That's why my notes
out from certain dates of things and even years. So
swinging this around, actually it was me swinging it at
this time. Stop and listen. At ground level. Right next
to me is a single, incredibly loud, monotone whistle.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
I can't even begin to mimic this whistle.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
But what happened was I just in some kind of
an instinct, maybe not a good one, kicked in and
I made myself actually smaller, and I crouched down and
I'm like listening because I could not figure out if
this is a person or the biggest parrot maybe that's
ever escaped any zoo is somehow in this brush without
us hearing whatever this was get in there.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I do not know.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
How it is did that whatever it was, didn't see it,
didn't hear it again, by the way, and nothing moved.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Robert shining the flashlight. What did you hear? Yeah, I
heard that.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
I just probably need a diaper right now because I
came out of Note it's so loud.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Brian.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Even if you get something recorded, and was like, why
wasn't the recorder's running? Even if it was, it still
just doesn't do it justice if you're not there. So, yeah,
we didn't have a recorder going.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
We just didn't.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Anyhow, that was an account that for me, it pushed
my percentage rate of oh no, I think something's going
on here with this.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
That pushed it up quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
The highly skeptical person with me open minded fwitza whatever
not really on the radar could be even He's okay,
I have no explanation for what made that sound, how
it could get in like what was this sitting there
all day for us to like knowingly go right there
to do this little cute little experiment like crocodile dundee

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out there.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
be right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
That was wild.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Once that happened, then I essentially got bit a little
bit more by the bug. I've gone to other places.
Of course, with Wes went to the Brown property in
Washington State while their big footing saw an orb in
the woods, which actually, I'll just go ahead and say,

(16:42):
and I've said this before, seeing the orb wall bigfooting,
actually it ticked me off a little bit because I'm going, no,
this is not what we're doing out here.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
You took that weird stuff out over here, and over
here is bigfoot. And I'm not saying that means that
they're tied in any way, shape or form, but a
general I think Kirk Brandenburg was there with us, and
he had one of the top fleer thermals. At the time,
you have five people at two in the morning, it's
really raining, it's very cold. We had taken shelter in

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this building that was going apart. It mostly had a roof,
didn't have all of its walls. So we see the
light and the light dips down. The second we all
saw it, it was like it went, oh, they see me.
And it was some strange timing at the least, I
don't know if that's what happened. We just thought, look
at this drunkie out here in the rain with the

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headlamp right he fell down, Let's go help this guy out.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
We would have had to cross the ravine. It was close.
The ravine is right there.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
At the same time that happens, someone or something again
didn't see it, can't say it who or what it
was is slapping the other buildings that are right there
next to us. So we're like, what in the actual
is going on? Who's out here screwing with us? John
had a very impressive weapon, very impressive. For anyone to

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be out there screwing around just seem really not a
bright thing to do. Also, on that trip, we are
pretty much in their backyard and then the backyard opens
up to this valley area there's a river running through.
We decide to play some baby cries. I'm gonna try that,

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so we get out. You could call it called blasting,
but it wasn't called blasting in my mind. Called blasting
is you get a speaker and you're out to the
heavens with this sound. We just had a phone. Oh no,
it's my phone or Wes's phone. We get on YouTube
and it's one of those whoever Macy's videos is demented,
but God bless them.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It was like a twelve hour loop of a baby cry.
Oh no, well you'd need that, but hey, it worked
for us.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
We hit play baby crying, baby crying forty minutes of
this some we're gone if this doesn't work, so we
need to shut this off because we're all going kuki. Now,
I will say before I set this up that it's
Washington State. We had so much gear setup that we
had this tar tent situation set up so things weren't
getting wet. It was loud out there, so we did

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not have recorders going. There would be no point to do.
So playing the baby cry forty minutes in, all of
a sudden something comes in. It wasn't super duper close,
but it was close enough. And it is whooping in
threes wooo. It was the same cadence every single time,
and then Wes and I both agreed that it sounded

(19:39):
This might sound really strange to people, but it.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Was the best way we could describe.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
It just sounded like a feminine whip, if there's such
a thing. Of course, it's interesting because it's a baby cry.
It continues, not constantly. They would take little breaks and
then the whooping would continue, and we're trying.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
To get closer to it. But it's that weird thing
where you.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Can't quite exactly find where it's coming from. And part
of that could have been the topography, because right at
the back there's this ravine and then it opens to
the valley, So who knows where this thing really was Anyhow,
phone dies, no more whoops the moment it stops, nothing and.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
We didn't hear anything come in. We didn't hear anything leave.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Heck, but you know how it is being in the bush,
there's so many shadows, and once it's night, we are
not adept to that it could have been right there.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
You're not gonna see that thing. That's when the thermal.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Would come in handy And I actually think that Kirk
was not there for that. I cannot recall exactly, but
I don't think he was there for that to thurn.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
So that was interesting to go off of this whole
baby cry trope really quickly.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
One of the Olympic Project folks, Derek Randalls, has an
encounter story. And this dude is like a sherp, a goat.
He is bad to the bond. He goes out by
himself all the time. He does go out armed, and
that'll come into play. He goes out arms wherever he goes,
which I think is smart. Everybody should do that because animals.

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But also, guess what's the scariest thing in the woods?
Other people?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
There.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'll get off my soapbox for a second. He goes
out six miles, seven miles something like that, into the bush.
He goes, you know what, and I think this is
way before we did any of our stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't recall when this happened. Now.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
He actually called blasted a baby cry. Shortly after he
started this baby cry. There's a ravine and he's halfway
up this lip on the other side. On the opposite side,
he says, it was like a semi truck had just
started to barrel down this hillside and into the ravine

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right at me. He's by himself. He could hear it
huffing and taking entire trees down with it. He could
actually see the trees moving as it's coming down. The
timing of things, he goes, I just assumed it would
stop at some point. Now at this point he had
already in fact, had bigfoot sightings, so it's not like

(22:08):
he was just a hiker and playing baby cries for
some random reason. It was for bigfoot purposes. So this
is definitely a be careful what you wish for. As
it's coming to where it's about to step out to
where there's a clear the ravenus clear, and then it
would just probably take two steps and be in his face.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
He stops the sounds.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It stopped just within the tree line, and he could
hear it puffing and puffing because it's hissed and it
is stressed, and it just ran down to who knows
what it thought in that moment, he thought, Yeah, I've
got a big sidearm, but it's not going to help
me with whatever in the hash that is over there.

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It's not big enough. I'm in a lot of trouble.
And he's six miles back by himself, so he's hoping
and praying that it doesn't decide to actually come over
and just use him as a Louisville slugger.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And it didn't. Of course, it went off. It left
is the culmination.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Nothing happened after that, But he said, I was so
hissed at myself, thinking that I had stressed this creature
out so much and pissed it off so much. Whatever
it was, and who knows if that was a male
or a female, if that was some kind of maternal
instinct or paternal instinct, whatever that was that I ignited
in that creature was really dangerous for me to do.

(23:33):
And he knows that he's very lucky to be here.
So that's another cautionary tale with the baby. The baby
Cris guys works. If you want to have a little
something happen in the woods, give it a shot. I
don't know how that's going to turn out, but maybe
don't be six or seven miles back doing your shirt
a thing. You know, he still goes out. I think

(23:55):
I just saw I'm posting today. I just saw a post.
He still does his thing. It didn't turn him into
the person that moves to the desert because there's no bigfoot,
but that wasn't a great encounter to have, obviously, he said,
I never saw it that. There's no doubt in my
mind it was something very large, very pissed off, and
my respectably calibered weapon would not have done much to

(24:20):
help me out.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I've heard multiple stories like that, and they always make
me very scared for the people that are using some
of these things that I think it's a joke. For
some people that go into the woods, they take this seriously,
but it's a hobby for them, and they go out
and they've seen this on television where it's okay to
play baby cries or whatever this noise is. But I

(24:43):
think we're dealing with a very large animal, and animals
are unpredictable. We are animals. People are very unpredictable, you
jokingly said earlier. I don't think it was a joke
about taking your weapon into the woods. I take a
weapon in the woods for other people. We had a
situation that I'm not going to get into over the
course of this camp out that we had this past weekend,

(25:03):
where I thought we were going to have to have
a weapon for a person more so than any animal
that we were going to encounter. So I think that's
smart to do go out armed, but there's so many
people that I've talked to that have had experiences with
these things. I interviewed a moose hunter a couple of
years ago who had a very high powered rifle and
this thing stepped out and he said, dude, there was

(25:25):
no way I was pulling the trigger. I knew it
was only going to piss this thing off. So he
backed out and got out of there. I think it's
great to use those tools, and if people want to
have an experience, there are different ways I think to
have those, but you do have to be careful when
you're out there in the woods six miles deep by yourself,
probably not the place to play. Baby cries to have

(25:46):
an experience with bigfoot. So we'll put that out there
as a cautionary tale and a warning to you guys.
Yeah it might work, but just be prepared for what
you might experience. You talked about the Brown property. Were
there other experiences that you got had there? Was that
someplace that you went back to and had other experiences
after that initial time?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
They certainly did. We didn't.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
That was pretty much what occurred for our trip. But
the Browns they have the linebacker on the ridge thermal.
I'm sure you've seen that. It looks like you can
literally see the second head of traps on this guy,
and that is down in that ravine right off the
back of their house, and it looks like Jay Cutler

(26:29):
is just chilling at the back of the house in
this thermal video, which is wild. Of course it's not
because Jay Cutler doesn't quite have the cone head and
orbitals that are faithball and actually in the full video,
I believe that a cow actually does cross in front
of or near the linebacker on the ridge as he's

(26:51):
just chilling. Their poor cows to just not always super
aware they're surroundings. Yeah, that was it for that particular trip,
but the Browns have certainly had a lot of sightings,
a lot of experiences in that area alone. We had
gone down to the river and there was a gentleman
that was salmon fishing, and that guy lives there and

(27:14):
he has his own experiences with these things. It's just
one of those areas where the big boys they come
out to play. You're in the middle of the highway
some parts of the year, and that's just how it is.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You've been all over the place looking for these things.
Have you had experiences in other places?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yes, this is another obviously auditory. As I already prefaced,
went out to Donna and Gregg's property, also Washington State.
We were there for a filling project. Never came to fruition,
but we still did all the things and did the
interviews and went around the property, and we were there

(27:51):
for a couple of nights. Their story is incredible. It's
one of the most active properties I've ever actually heard
of and was lucky enough to visit. What I heard
was David Elison. I call him the audio guru of
the Olympic Project. Hey, it's when I say he's the guru,
but he is. He's amazing. We had walked with the
group up the road from Donna and Gregg's property. Whatever

(28:13):
we were doing, I'm not sure, it's along this ravine,
and that ravine essentially was the highway for these bigfoot
to come in and out and drop in, and that's
where a lot of activity happened on that property. So
for whatever reason, we're up the road, the whole group
of us and David and I we end up walking.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Back to the house by ourselves and.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Then off to the right in this, said Ravine, I
heard three vowels, and to this day I know that
if I go back and I listened to what David
said about this, but I don't recall exactly what it
sounded like.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I just remember hearing what you would call.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Samurai chatter, three vowels spoken right next to us in
that Ravine and I look at David and hexcept me
and I.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Go, do you hear that? He goes, oh, yeah, would
you hear?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
And I repeated the vowels that I heard and he goes, yep,
that's what we hear all the time. It's a lot
of times those three vowels. So that again bumped up
the percentage for me.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
I'm like, that was amazing. It's not much.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
I know that people that have actually seen these things,
I talked to them a lot as well, and that's
not much. But for someone that's so into Bigfoot and
wants really badly to have confirmations happen, that was a
big deal to me. Even just to hear that the
descriptions are true of when they are trying to speak,

(29:44):
it just sounds off and you're like, good try, buddy.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
But not quite there. But good job. That made my
whole year with that.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
But okay, so for anyone that's not familiar with Donna
and Gregg's property, the only pin I'm gonna put it
in it is Washington in state. Trust me when I
tell you it's plenty wooded water around the usual things
that biggies like.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Biggie's like this area very much.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Donna and Greg frown this property and within the first
month of them being there.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Donna admits this. I remember her saying this in the interview.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I had a three hour interview with David Ellis and
Donna on my show.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think it's episode three hundred.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Actually, you guys can go listen to them actually telling
this the people that were actually there.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Donna admits that she and.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Greg were in a little bit of a tiff at
the time of being in the car. So he's driving
and she's doing this thing that we do, which is
looking out the side window because we don't want to
look at you right now. We don't even want to
see you when I'm piffery, right So she's looking out
her side window. She says, all I saw was the
biggest pair of legs I have ever seen covered in hair.

(30:51):
This is all happening in milliseconds, and then a big
bubble butt. That's her words, a big bubble butt, and
then eyes flick up a little more and it is
just a massive torso covered in not quite as much hair,
I think, is what she said.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Anybody that knows Donna, she never ever cusses.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
She doesn't curse. It's just not her thing. She starts saying.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
No way, no e f and way, no f and way.
She is freaked right out. Greg's like, what's the matter,
what's going on? She tells them what she saw. She goes,
I don't even know how else to say this, but
there's like a breaging bigfoot. I just saw something. There's
switchbacks going up to this property. It's pretty legit in

(31:45):
the middle of nowhere. To be honest with you, neighbors
decently far apart by acres and acres comes back down.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
There's nothing to be seen. It's not there anymore.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Of course, that kicked off so much activity that Donna,
who was home most of the time by herself, ended
up not going outside after dark. She would go out
on the patio, which is as far as she would
go to place the recorder all of the recordings, and

(32:16):
I actually still have some loaded on my roadcaster if
you guys wanted to hear some of the audio captured.
All of this is captured from the port, which makes
it even creepier. Yes, they can get loud, but some
of this you can tell they are pretty dang close.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
So Greg is gone.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
A lot of the time, what starts to happen is
strange sounds outside. Here's a good example. They have chickens.
There's one chicken. He's a special chicken. His name was Pepe.
Peep would actually fly up and sit on people's shoulders,
the cool chicken. He was unique and it was Donna's

(32:54):
favorite chicken. Peep went missing one night, one day, I'm
sure it was overnight. Couldn't figure out how in the
world peepe got out of the pen, But okay, it
can happen. Peep's back the next day in the chicken coube. Okay,
that's a little weird. Whatever happens again now at this point,

(33:15):
for the second time, Pepe goes missing. David and Derek
and Shane and all the Olympic Project guys have already
been called in because there's been some weird stuff going on.
I forgot to mention Donna is bad to the bone.
She's a bad to the bone woman, no nonsense. She
was a photographer for National Geographic, would go to Africa

(33:37):
and photograph and film lions and she's awesome, very no
nonsense person. So when this stuff is starting to go down,
she realizes she needs to reach out to someone, and
the Olympic Project is who she reached out to, so
David and them are already involved. Peepe goes missing the
second time. David goes, I know this sounds really weird.
Probably not gonna like this. Go to the woodline and

(33:59):
act for them to give Pete back. And she said, what, No,
that is so crazy and silly. Come on, David, just
do it. So she does, and by god, the next
day after she asked for Pete back, and the second
time he was gone longer. I don't recall how long
she said Pepe was gone that second time. It wasn't overnight.

(34:22):
Heep was back in the coop. He did go missing
a third time. I don't have time frames. I don't
recall the timeframes on how long or if she had
to ask for him back. But I do know that
asking for him back actually did work. Now you can say,
first time, maybe he's a really smart chicken on top
of having actually some personality to him.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Maybe he got out. Second time, that's a little weird. Third,
fourth time.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Something is definitely going on. Man, Donna've laughed about it.
We're like, if Peepe could talk, man, I bet beyond
his PTSD that boy has some stories. He has got
some real trauma that chicken right there. So things like
that are going on. Something that she never told David
that she tried was she went to a store and

(35:10):
there was a doll that under her clothing was on
her belly. This giggle, the baby giggle creepy, especially with
what happens after she takes it. She goes I didn't
even tell David I did this because he wouldn't like
it to put it in the ravine somewhere, And sure enough,

(35:33):
in the middle of the night on recording, you can
hear the baby giggle without being watched that much, or
of course, if you have opposable thumbs, I'm sure they're
picking it up. What in the hell is this out
in my living room? It kept getting activated. Now, the
reason they bought this particular property is because it had

(35:54):
incredible views, so they didn't have curtains up and blinds up.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Who would want to block this amazing view.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Greg had a certain chair that he would sit in
when he was home onen't home a lot. David had
walked the property at some point and noticed that within
the fencing part of it was moved over.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
And let me see what's doing here.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
And he's kind of looking and he's, oh, that's right
where Greg sits when he's home at nine he's reading,
or he's on his phone, whatever he's doing.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's like his chill chair. Is Greg's chair.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Right through that slat where that thing was pulled off
the nail whatever, it was a direct site to the
window where Greg would sit. David fixed that back where
it was supposed to go fence his hole again. Next
time he came out, moved the same way. It was
right in the same spot to see Greg. Donna felt
like she was always being watched there. She got to

(36:50):
the point, and this actually makes me really sad to
hear her say this, especially when they were so proud
of that property and they loved it so much. She
got to the point where she would make sure that
everything was done downstairs so that she didn't have to
walk in certain parts of the house and have the
lights on because, like David said, she wasn't a fish bowl. Essentially,
we love them, but they're the freaks at Table nine

(37:12):
and they're all watching her all the time. There was
an instance where I should have gone back and listened
to this part. She put a baseball cap on one
day and she was walking around on the property and
they threw an absolute fit about that. Now was it
because they didn't recognize her. They thought it was someone
new because they obviously seemed to like her schedule, Greg's schedule.

(37:38):
If Greg was around, there was more activity. The dogs
are a big part of this too. The dogs, from
the onset of getting this property hated to go outside.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
They didn't like it.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
And she has sent me pictures of I think it
was Leyla sitting next to one of the fences that
runs down the back of the property and then just
staring off into the woodline, ears up, hackles up. Something's
not cool. I even told her, I'm like zooming in
on the shadows. I bet he's like right there, you

(38:10):
just can't see them. Because they're amazing like that. They
just blend in so well. The dogs hated to go outside.
They had lived in other places Idaho, I forget the
other place that they had lived in the middle of
essentially nowhere in the woods. Dogs never had a problem.
I think these are labs anyhow, These are dogs that
loves to be outside. They didn't love to be outside
of this property. They just knew that something was very off.

(38:34):
So there are recordings that have essentially especially for me,
and I'll play some of these. And David is one
of the most transparent people about this stuff. He will
straight up tell you I put it in the spectrograph.
I can't tell you what this is, but I can

(38:58):
tell you it's not a person. You know that that
can be proven at least, all right, I'll play a
couple of these. This one was early on. This one
is titled Horn Vocal. This is when Greg got sent
this audio clip. This was very very early on, I
think maybe a month within the Olympic project starting to

(39:21):
go there and seeing what was doing. This was the
audio that Greg said, oh, maybe something is going on here,
so let me play that. So that's Luke, because most

(39:45):
people go, can you play that again? Can he play
that again? So if it sounds like it's looped, it is.
This was one of the turning points for at least Greg.
I think at this point Donna already knew because she
had not only seen it, but she's living with this
day and day out. This is the horn vocal. I mean,
it's just very powerful stuff. We have sounds that are

(40:08):
comparable to the Sierra Sounds Ron Moorehead Cierra Sounds caption
in California. You will think that this is pulled from
the Sierra Sounds, but it's not. In fact, it's so
similar that when David sent it to Ron Moorehead, Ron goes,
why are you sending me my own recordings? This is
Donna and Gregg's property. Oh okay, and I think that

(40:30):
Ron's actually been out there. So here is some samurai
chatter from Donna and Greggs again recorder on the back deck.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
All right, This next one is one of my favorites.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
David titled it Family Disagreement, but I remember telling them
during our chat, I go, that's Jurassic Park. That's some
crazy stuff right there. Or Donna to be home alone
that much and have this, knowing that this is what's
going on in your backyard and you're alone. Yeah, so
here's what I lovingly call Jurassic Park. So David says

(41:51):
it sounds like he calls it a power knock, that
power knock that would knock.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
At the end, was like, all right, that's enough.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Just zip it, zippit woman or zipp it man or
zipit kid, whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
This is the stuff that would go on, not every
single night. There would be two, three weeks of a break.
To Donna, that was actually a lot.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
But when you say that that's actually wild, all you
would get is a couple of weeks or three weeks
of a break, and then it would start up all
over again. It didn't really seem to matter too much
about whether or any of that kind of stuff. Oh
and in fact, I remember Donna saying that which one
was it that she needed the break from? I should

(42:32):
have written that down. There was one that she heard.
Oh it was also the horn vocal that I played
right out of the gate. That was one where she goes,
I actually need a break from listening. Because you have
to remember that she would set this out, wouldn't listen
to it, would just send it to David, and then
he's trying to catch up and go through stuff. So
whatever the time difference there of it actually happening in

(42:55):
her finding out about it, who knows.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
But she wasn't trying to stay up and listen to this.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
She's hearing it enough, and she goes in some instances, yes,
I would hear it while I'm in the house, But
other times I know that I was just so exhausted
and so tired, or for whatever reason, I did not
hear it live and in person. So this stuff is
just trickling and trickling in from David. That first vocal,
that horn vocal that also got Greg to go, oh

(43:22):
my goodness, what is happening here? She also is like, yep,
could use a break. I'm going to take a little
break because it's so different to go to a location
that you know is active like I have done, and
have something happen and be able to leave. But when
it's your home, yikes, that's a huge Be careful what

(43:44):
you wish for, Even myself, I'm thinking about maybe in
a year or two, who knows, going to Tennessee. I
would love to have some green and some land and
fewer people look in your face. You have to go, gosh,
would I really want that? I say that I do,
but I think I live I am demented like that.
It's always a be careful what you wish for. Because

(44:05):
this changed Donna's every day, she tried to take the
dogs out as early as she could. Even the poor
dogs didn't want to go out anyway, so she goes.
They started to go to the bathroom essentially right near
the walkway of the house. It's quite a long walkway.
It's not like they were just all over the patio there.
They had so much room to roam, and they didn't
want to roam. They were like, peace out, Nope, not

(44:26):
doing it. And she's fine, I don't want to go
outside anyway, girls, let's go okay, here are some whoops.
They started to say things like the whoops and the
wood knocks became so the norm.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
It was kind of like, ho hum.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
That is wild that you get so used to hearing
this stuff so often.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
So here's a couple of the whoops.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Here is one of the screams that they could hear,

(46:08):
and stay.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Tuned for more sasquatch out to see.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
After these messages.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
A lot of power behind that sea.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
And that's one that it seems like it could be
a little further away, right, but you can still tell
that that's a set of lungs. I want to save
one of the Koudi graph for very last as far
as the audio goes, here is one like a babboon
type of a sound, because David would pull an actual
babboon sound and then put it to this and there

(46:40):
are similarities except the big pair of lungs. From what
it sounds like, that scream and the grunt, that gravelly.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Sound that baboons can have.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Again right off the back porch, Welcome home, everybody.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
This is what's going down, all right.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Whoopy Wookie is the next one. So that's why he
taught it whoop be Wookie, because that's what it sounds like.

(47:23):
It's trying to say, whoop be Wookie, whoopee.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
It's hard to tell.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
And we'll play that one more time because now we're
getting into the talking type stuff, which is it's extra
creepy and amazing. At the end of that one, it
almost sounds the same as the whoopie whoopee. At the end, Wookie,
it's saying the same thing. Don't know who knows what
exactly they're saying. We just do not know, all right,
last two crow Talker and then Layla Layla Bridget crow

(47:51):
Talker first.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Jurassic Park.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
I swear, okay, also before I forget this point, before
I played the last little sample that I haven't. I
think that we played quite a bit more on my episode.
But I don't know if this is boring for people.
Hopefully not. But they did try to set up trail cameras.
Of course, they definitely did that, but as per usual

(49:01):
however they do it, they were able to avoid said
trailcams each and every time it might go off, but
there was never ever anything on it. I'm not saying
there's anything paranormal to that. It might have just gone
off for another reason, and there wasn't a bigfoot anywhere
near there.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
David goes, it looks like an eye.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
But I don't think that they know that a trail
cam takes their picture or a video. A trail camera
has what looks like an I said them, let's face it,
you're hanging it up in their house. Essentially, you're gonna
notice this something is hung up on the damn wall
in your house that wasn't there before. And these things
are very intelligent. Obviously to what level we don't know,

(49:46):
but let's face it, they talk, they can avoid us
who could blame them, right, That is what has gone
on there is just trying to capture as much audio
as possible and definitely trying to get them on video.
Never ever happened, Never happened. Okay, this is one of
my favorite ones. Greg would go out and call the

(50:07):
dogs and he'd called the dogs, of course, in a
certain way. You just have this certain cadence that you
do certain things right. He'd go, layla bridget, layla bridge it.
That's how he would call the dogs in. So let's
listen to layla bridget as the coup de gras.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Again.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
It's that almost got it. It's layla layla brigo, is
what it's saying. Close, very close, Donna goes. That's not,
of course Greg's tone of voice, but that is the
exact cadence that he would call the dogs in.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
So that is just wild.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
And those are some of my favorite cuts from all
of their audio. But that is just a drop in
the bucket from what they have captured. Heck, even on
three hundred David, I think said, this is just a
small cross section of what.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
We have captured. So when we were there for.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
This project that never came about, the house was pretty
much sold. They were moving, and they were moving because
of this activity pretty much. Unfortunately, it became a little
bit too much for Donna, who was there pretty much
all the time by herself. Was their dream property changed

(51:49):
quite a bit after the big guys were very interested
in her, especially so I actually, in preparation for talking
about this Brian, I talked to Donna quite a bit still,
I touched base with her yesterday.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
I asked her, have.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
You heard any new anything from the owners, the neighbors,
And by the way, one of the neighbors did bring
up that they forget the verbias that they used. It
was something about, oh, yeah, there's other animals in the

(52:25):
area for sure, And she's like other because it's tough.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
It's tough.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
You can't just come out and just vomit the word
bigfoot to just anybody, because you will be labeled the
freak forever. Sometimes it's good to not have the neighbors
think you're a freak. Let's just be honest. So I
understand where she was like, well, what do you mean,
do you mean bigfoot? Most people wouldn't do that. I
don't blame her anyhow, touch base with her yesterday, asked

(52:49):
her the question and she goes, you know what. Shortly
after they took possession of the house, the real estate
agent got in touch with Donham and.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
He goes, oh, hey, the new.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Owners were wondering what kind of wildlife did you see
around here? What kind of animals did you see here?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
And she's all.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Cougars and bobcats and bears. She's like why, and he goes, yeah,
they just think they saw some big hairy thing down
the ravine. I'm sure it was just a bear, and
she goes, I was just dying to push more on
that or to go, oh my god, just tell another
person would feel amazing, because you know why that was

(53:31):
being asked.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
I'm sorry, you know that bears are in Washington State.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
You're not gonna have your real to reach out to
the other owner about known animals like bears in Washington State.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
So nothing went further than that essentially in that regard,
and even David was like, I don't say bigfoot sasquatch,
the big dogs don't really bring that up probably, you know.
So that's where that stopped as far as that communication.
So I wanted to be sure to add that caveat
I'm because stuff is still going on there, at least

(54:05):
back when they sold it. She and I as were
talking yesterday, I like, gosh, I really wonder if the Bigfoot,
because they were so keyed into Donna and Gregg's routine.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
They seem to like routine.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Once they moved and someone else knew moved in, I'm
wondering what kind of.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Fits they threw.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Did they disappear for a while, did it ramp up
or did it die down, or did it stay the
same because of like that example of don't know wearing
that baseball cap and then throwing an absolute fit. They
couldn't stand it. Something I didn't mention in the beginning,
which would have been helpful, is that before Donna and
Greg moved in, that property sat vacant for quite a

(54:51):
long time. Now what that is could be for the
same reason that Donna moved out, We don't know, but
it had sat for quite a long while before they
moved in. And then if that's the case, and hey,
maybe they just liked Donna Moore for whatever reason. Could
it be that she was just someone that they just liked,

(55:14):
they found her entertaining. Maybe the new people moved in
for whatever reason, they're not interested in them.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
It could be the same as us.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
We're attracted to certain people, or we find certain people
more interesting. The sound of their voice. I'm sure some
people hear my voice like grating.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I get it. I can't stand editing myself.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
So maybe they are in that realm where they go
I like you, I don't like you, I like you,
I don't like you.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Out of that scene from the movie. I won't use
the verbiage, but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
It could be or it could just be as simple
as were their entertainment, no matter if we're in their
living room, for lack of a better term, if we're
there to watch why not?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (55:56):
I do wonder if there's a curtains or blinds in
that house now, if there's still there, I do wonder that.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, I definitely think I would be putting blinds up
in the house. We bought this forty acres that we
live on here in North Carolina back in twenty seventeen,
and we started hearing vocalizations. I cast footprints a couple
of years ago sixty yards from our front door. Here.
It's unnerving, and we don't have anywhere near the kind

(56:23):
of activity they're having there on that property, or we're
having on that property before they sold it, but it
was still unnerving for us. At first, the vocalizations were
what sounded like a mile away, and then one night
they were fifty yards from the house. It's a different feeling.
It's an unnerving thing to feel like there's something out
there that you don't know what it is. People have

(56:43):
asked me, when you heard that vocalization from fifty yards away,
did you run out there and see what it was?
I was like, No, I didn't go out there and
see what it was. I'm not stupid. I was a cop.
My gut kept me alive in that job. There was
nothing in me that wanted to see what that was.
There was a lot of fear involved in that situation.
So I can't imagine being there the majority of the time,

(57:04):
like you said, by herself, and dealing with that over
and over. I think they probably handled it longer than
most people would. I love the audio part of this.
It seems to be. The more I interview people that
claim to have this habituation or cohabitation situation with Bigfoot.
It's been my experience that those people tend to have
the least amount of evidence then people who just happen

(57:27):
upon it and snap a photo or record something. So
it's so cool to me to have those kind of
eyewitness experiences and then have the audio to back it up.
Because audio is what I do for a living. It's
what you do for a living, so I'm very partial
to audio. David is my go to guy. I've got
him on speed dial on my phone. If somebody sends

(57:48):
me something, I'll text it to David and say, hey,
listen to this. Oh it's a bart out. Okay, cool.
But it's so cool to have that resource, and it's
so important to me. The Sierra Sounds a little bit
of the Sierra say that have been out there forever.
I was up at Ron's house earlier this year and
interviewed him about there's a documentary that is coming out

(58:08):
about the Sierra Sounds that may already be out.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Unfortunately, I don't get to watch as much television and
documentaries as i'd like to but I went up there
specifically to talk to Ron about the unreleased Sierra Sounds.
I think he's got twelve or fourteen hours, maybe even
more that he hasn't released, and I was like, Ron,
you gotta let me help you go through this stuff, dude,
because there's so many people experiencing things in so many

(58:31):
different places that we could be comparing this to what
you guys recorded back in the seventies, late sixties, early seventies.
So hopefully, I think once the documentary is out, I'm
going to help him categorize some of that stuff so
that it can trickle out to people. Because I've heard
the samurai chatter that's on the Sierra Sounds when I
was up in Radium, BC, Canada with Tidd standing like

(58:52):
two years ago. It's unnerving and it's one of the
weirdest things I've ever experienced. And I got to see
these things three times summer out in Washington State. We
were actually working out of the Olympic Project headquarters when
I had my experiences. That area holds a special place
for me. I'm going out on expedition with less Stroud
at some point in time, hopefully in the next month.

(59:14):
I was trying to get Less to take the expedition there.
I think he wants to do it in Canada, but
I have a special place in my heart for that area.
We've talked about Bigfoot a lot. I know you mentioned
that you had some other weird experiences. So before we
get out of here, I would be remiss if I
didn't ask you to share your other weird encounters and
or experiences with other unknown creatures in the world.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Absolutely, I don't know my inception into Bigfoot, but I
know my inception into knowing. Now this is a knowing
situation that other things are out there that we don't
know what the heck they are. That was when I
was a teenager. Divorce parents' dad had a cabin in

(59:59):
Duck Creek, Utah. It's up a mountain from Cedar City.
A lot of Vegas people go out there day in
day out. We were either fishing or we were on
our fourlers. This is during the summer, very dry, no clouds,
no weather drama. The way that the cabins are set
up up there, it still is. Actually I went back

(01:00:20):
there a few years back. Dirt roads pretty much set
up in a semi grid pattern. It's easy to get
around there. We'd be hauling ass everywhere on our fourlers.
But Dad was a stickler for helmets, which, hey, great,
that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Everyone shot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Dad was down in Cedar City on this particular day.
Since Dad wasn't around, I didn't have my helmet on.
I don't recall if my brother or stepbrother did, but
I didn't. Those things are hot and they just sucked
a wears the second you can, you tend to take
them off. The other thing, I'll say, if folks aren't

(01:00:58):
privy to it, if you have your goggle on as well.
They're plastic. You can't have glass in your eyes, so
they're plastic. You can't see Schissa.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see what
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Out of those at some parts, but you got to
have them on. So I didn't have any of that
gear on. So I could see. I could hear, of course,
my machine. Mostly it's dusty, it's dry. I'm in the back,
the boys they're out in front of me. I'm hanging
back because I'm going get the stickers, like eat my dust.
I was eating their dust, so I was back. Now
I mentioned how Salt Fork was extremely brushy like ground brush.

(01:01:40):
It has the trees, but then they got a lot
of ground brush there. This area of Duck Creek, Utah
did not have that. It was a lot of aspen
trees that don't have a lot going on until they
get higher up, and not a lot of ground brush.
There was some felled trees a little bit on the ground.
So that'll come into play here in a moment. At

(01:02:02):
some point while I'm writing, I just glanced off into
the woods again, bright the sunshiny day, not thick woods
like Washington State in any way, shape or form. You
have several feet before you hit another tree, but they're
scattered around. Of course, I look off and I see
four hitch black human shaped figures. I describe them as

(01:02:26):
cutouts from the deepest dark. What is that vanta black
or whatever? Folks call that? Like blacker than black? Right,
you hear people say that it was blacker than the
darkness of that black around it, or human shaped essential cutouts.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
We're like two d. It was very strange, and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
They were pumping their arms and legs and they were
about thirty feet into the woodline from myself on my machine,
I'm still going, I'm still writing. They're pumping their legs
and their arms. I immediately thought, why are you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Even doing that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Like, where are you? Where am I? What's going on here?
I knew immediately this was something not of this world.
This is not to say that they were running through
the trees. I don't know how to describe this part.
It's really hard to do. But they didn't have to dodge,
duck dive all the dodge bowl stuff. They didn't have
to use the d words in any way, shape or form.

(01:03:21):
They weren't going through the trees. It was like they
were in a different place than me completely, And I
was just seeing this little blip on this screen for
a second of this other place. These homies are doing
some whatever they're doing, and I'm over here. And I
watched them for about a five second count, like full
five seconds, which is actually a decently long time. I mean,

(01:03:44):
when you're in those situations, it feels more like a
full minute, but it's really just probably on thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
And one, thousand and two, but that was a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Anyhow, I'm still holling ass on my fourwhelder, so I
do need to check my path again and I do that.
I glanced this way and I glance back and they're gone,
completely gone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
I'm like, what in the actual nowhere to be seen?
That was it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
It was five seconds of seeing essentially, for lack of
a better term, foreshadow people right, foreshadow beings whatever, and
the heck these things are now. It did freak me
out enough to where I caught up to my brother
and my stepbrother and I said, Hey, I'm gonna go
back to the cabin for a little bit, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
What are you talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
We just got out of here, and we did this
all day till our butts were not That's what we did,
fished or four wheeled.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I said, now I'm going to go back for a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
I did.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
I actually didn't go running for a couple of days
after that. It wasn't that I was completely utterly terrified.
It's just I was just trying to probably come to
grips with's what I saw. When my dad got back,
I did tell him what I saw, and he's ex military,
so he goes, ah, it was just military guys doing
their exercises or what.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I'm like, Dad, No, you don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
There wasn't a seam rivet nothing to break from.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Head to toe.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
These things looked like this was not some bed of
the bone gear that they had on that made them
look like this. If it was, Holy Chisa, I can
only imagine what we have now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
If that's what that was.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
He said, no, it's probably just military guys doing an exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I say no. Still of this day he remembers telling
me that. By the way, I do say though, even.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Though I didn't go writing for a few days, that
experience would have been so much different from me to
where it might have terrified me if they had interacted
with me in any way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
None of them looked my way.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
They didn't flip me the bird as I'm writing or
grin at me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
There was no interaction.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
So I do feel that had that happened, that might
have ratcheted up some form of terror, fright, or changing
how I felt about going out into the woods or
going writing. Because I went back out writing. I love
the wood still to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I actually don't expect to see anything like that again.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I talked to so many people on my show. They'll
send in these lists, and not everybody has to have
a list to come on my show. By the way,
I think that people feel like that. They're like, I
don't have a whole list of things. I'm like, hell,
I don't either. A lot of times, each bullet point
on that list for people is a completely different one
off situation, which is just as fascinating as like a

(01:06:28):
Donna and Greg situation where you just sit in Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
For two hours.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
I actually it was like a three hour conversation with
David and Donna, and you're just sitting there and you're
having that conversation. But the one off conversations are just
as fascinating and just as puzzling, because you go, why
did I only see that one time?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Was I even looking at some freaky freaking movie from
the Fifth Dimension? I don't know, but that was my
oh crap. There's definitely other stuff out there. There's definitely
other stuff going on. I do recall, and I think
I've found the paper since and I still have horrible handwriting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
It's even worse back then.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
But I went around to some of my neighbors and
I was like the tubs of paper said something like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
You're a weird experience.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
I'd hand it out nerd Badge, and some people did
fill that out so I guess even back then, I
was trying to collect stories, trying to collect encounters, and
you just don't want to be the only one. That's
why I do the show, and that's why I'm so
lucky to still have people that want to talk to
me and still want to listen to me. I'm very

(01:07:33):
humble by that. That's where it all comes from. It's
just that interaction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
You're not alone. I'm not alone. We're all in this
little weird group together. Heck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
It's funny because once people find out your regular job
what you do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
At first they're like, you should do what a paranormal?
What you saw what?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
They give you that look, But then a couple of
weeks later they'll come back and go, you know what,
actually this one time, I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
You know, it happens a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
I think many people have experiences that they're not comfortable
to share. Totally get it, completely understand. I know, Brian,
you feel the same way. It's like anybody that is
willing to come on and share, my goodness, gracious, you
have no idea how much we appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
I want to be respectful of your time. But I've
got to ask you this question because you've been doing
this for a long time, and people told me. When
I first got into this doing the show and talking
to people and interviewing people about their experiences, people said
to me, I'm a very flesh and blood guy. I'm
still very skeptical. I've had my own encounters. I was
ten feet away from a sasquatch last year, so I

(01:08:38):
know these things are real, but I'm still very skeptical
about people. I say it all the time. I'm not
skeptical about bigfoot. I am skeptical about people and what
they put forward as evidence. So I'm always going to
be that guy. And people say, how can you be
so skeptical of bigfoot when you've seen it? Again, it's
not the phenomenon itself, it's the people. But one thing
that has happened to me is I've seen a progression.

(01:08:59):
I'm a very nuts bolts, flesh and blood kind of guy.
If I've planted my flag in any camp, it's always
been in the flesh and blood camp. But even my
own experiences of seeing glowing white eyes and some of
the weirder things that people describe in conjunction with sometimes
simultaneously with having these experiences with bigfoot. I think you

(01:09:20):
mentioned it early in the interview. You would put those
into boxes of Okay, that's weird, but we're here to
talk about bigfoot. I don't do that so much anymore
when I've talked to people. I've even had interviews just
as recently as a couple of days ago, where people
are telling me, Hey, I do UFO research while I'm
out looking for bigfoot, and I'm seeing a lot of
correlations there. So people have told me, Hey, the longer

(01:09:41):
you're in this, you're going to go into the WU camp,
or you're going to move into that high strangeness camp
because you're going to have those experiences yourself, or you're
going to talk to enough people that convince you. Has
that been the case for you? Has that been a
progression for you? And I'm certainly not asking you to
plan a flag anywhere, but has that been the case
for you. The longer you've been in this and the

(01:10:02):
more people you've talked to, are you more open to
those other high strangeness or weird experiences? And do you
think there is a possibility that there may be some
correlation with these creatures and some of those high strangeness events.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
I am one hundred percent essentially what you just said.
The longer that I do this, Let's face it, there
are no experts in this like those of you that
have actually seen these things with your own eyes. You
can speak to this much better than someone like myself
who has not laid eyes on how it moves.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
All of the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Attributes that we hear about bigfoot, right, But if anyone
says they're an expert, just run.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
It cannot be. It just cannot be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
It is impossible unless you are hiding one in your garage.
You do know more, and in that case, shame on
you for not sharing with the world. Improving that once
and for all. We're not freaks for talking about bigfoot
and thinking they're out there. But yes, the more I
try to sit into one side of the flesh and
blood man, that stuff just comes up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
And the people that I talked to, I believe that
they believe what happened to them.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
If not, Brad Pitt, get out of here because they
need to take your freaking job.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
I'm not saying that's impossible by any means, but over
and over again, there's just these strange things that happen
when you are out bigfooting. I neglected to mention those slaps.
It was like the mountain from Game of Thrones had
been open handed, just smacking the sheisa out of these buildings.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Just boom. We all run out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
We just had this freaking orb situation which we all
were like, no, this is not happening. Slaps to the building.
We all run out to where the slaps were. Nothing there,
nobody there, nothing there, plenty of open area. If that
was a person, my goodness, g go run on the
three hundred meter track because I don't know how they

(01:12:05):
got out of there so fast.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Now am I saying that's bigfoot? No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Nobody saw what made those smacking noises. I wonder what
Wes says about that now, because I'm sure that all
of our recollections are slightly different of such a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Sorry, long winded way of saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
I tend to ebb and flow some days with where
I really sit with things, but not having at least
an open mind enough to say that there is a
possibility of something else going on. I don't know, it's
just cutting things off at the knees when we do

(01:12:41):
need to keep the full picture, like editing out certain
parts of reports because it doesn't align with where you
want it to be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
I don't even want Bigfoot to be paranormal.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I don't want it to be because then I feel
like it'll never be proven. We're never going to figure
out what it is you. I want to see him
in a zoo like a gorilla. Absolutely knots. That's horrible.
Once you lamb bass people for not getting the video
or not getting this or that, it's unfortunate because the

(01:13:12):
community is such that it just eats its own tail
the whole time. So there's so many people that might
actually have insane evidence. But you know what, with AI
now doesn't even really matter. Nothing has even come across
my radar lately that I think is even two shakes
of a lamb tail worth a down because you just

(01:13:32):
cannot tell anymore. We're screwed in that regard, unfortunately. So
when you have folks that come on and they do say, no,
it wasn't eyeshine, it wasn't a reflection that was glowing
talking about it was glowing and reflecting off of the
foliage that it was next to what do you do

(01:13:54):
with that tracks that just stop in the middle of nowhere,
with nowhere for even something that's the Liam Neeson of
the Woods didn't have somewhere to jump to to have
those tracks stop there. And of course, Brian, like part
of me is like wanting to go into interview mode
and ask you all these questions, but I'll save that
for my show when you come on, because you just

(01:14:16):
throwing those nuggets in there. I'm like, oh, at least
ten feet Oh god, yeah, I don't know. Basically, more
people need to say I don't know, I don't know.
We need to see what's doing, and everybody can make
up their own minds, of course, and they already have and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
They argue about it online every day. Bless them.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
I would love for them to be flesh and blood.
But why hasn't just one kind of daffy bigfoot just
aft it up for the whole rest of them, you
know what I mean? Like they get clipped by the
dude in the semi that's actually got his buddy in
the cab with them, that can get a five hundred

(01:14:55):
pound bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I don't know. Why hasn't a daffy one slipped off
of a cliff it is strange.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
However, I am of the mind that they usually run
with others.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
That is their whole limo. It's to avoid us. We're shitty,
so I get it. People suck, so that's their wholemo. Yeah.
I think they could bury their dead. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I think that when they pass away, just like other animals,
they go somewhere quiet, to be alone in a hole
under a tree, and they're gone. Even Cliff Brickman talks
about when elephants pass away, it takes only like six
months for it to be picked apart and all the
tissues to be birds and all the predatory things come

(01:15:40):
in and things get scattered, and then floods happen and
whatever else might go on in the wilds.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
So I can see both sides of it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Basically, it's just because I saw that light out while
I was bigfooting. I don't automatically say, of course it's paranormal.
I was out for bigfoot and I saw an orb. No,
that could be something totally different. That was super cool
to see, but it did piss me off a little bit.
I'm like, no, we are not here for this. No,
we want some bigfoot, damn it, we want some trust beat,

(01:16:10):
and I think we all felt like that, to be
honest with you, we were all laughing about that. But
it was still a really cool experience and I wouldn't
change a thing about the people. You know, you learn
things about people as you moved through. There are some
amazing people in all of this if you stick to
your truth, whatever that is. Just keep a little bit
of an open mind.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
We've talked about it multiple times. Tell everybody what they
can expect when they go check out into the Fray.
What are they going to get when they get there?
What's the show about? Give us the full rundown.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Yeah, so tomorrow actually is my official ten year anniversary,
which is wild. I said it before, and I know
that you agree. Like again to anybody who's ever listened, emailed,
come on the show, especially because that's a whole another level.
I get it can be stressful. Thank you, thank you
to anyone who has ever done that. But it is
into the Fray. Radio dot Com is the way site,

(01:17:00):
and then of course all the usual podcatchers, Apple, Spotify, iHeart,
I do have YouTube. I am going to be doing
more video on YouTube, finally probably doing what I'm doing
now with Uma as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Record it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
It's on their audio with static imagery right now, always
has been, Yeah, it's not all Bigfoot. I thought that
it would be a little bit more genuine to my
background if once I left SC I thought I probably
would like to do the multi topic show, and so
I moved into that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
I still do. I wouldn't change a thing about it.
It's UFOs, it's hauntings, it's Bigfoot. Some of my favorite
stuff is the stuff that you just can't quite even.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Put in the UFO Ghost Bigfoot box. It's one of
those what the actual hell was that? Nobody knows.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
I'm not gonna have the answer, but I always tell
people because they reach out and they go and they
probably do this to you as well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
They go, gosh, I would love.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
To talk to you, so you can tell me what
this is, and you're like, bro, I can't, it ain't me.
And if they tell you and it's them, you run.
But what they can do is they can come on
and then hopefully there's some little nugget in what they
said that sparks someone else to reach out to you
or to me on behalf of that guest.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
It goes back to that they're not alone. They're not alone.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
It's always those little weird things that it's like a
caveat or something like, oh wait, you know what they're
And also there's this really weird thing about this bigger
picture thing. And sometimes there's those little strange little nuggets
that gets it clicking for somebody out there listening, and
that's what gets them to reach out. And that's all
we can do, is we just we keep getting the

(01:18:53):
encounters out there, and we keep letting people know, no,
you are not weird.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
You might be weird of your friends family, but hey.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
You come on in here because we're in this weird
little holler over here flying our freak flags.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Yeah. Just thanks to everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
It's been quite the ride, and I hope to continue
to do it as long as my annoying voice will
still hold out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I'm probably still going to do into the Fray. Sorry everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
I love it. It is a fantastic show. We like
to make it easy for everybody here. It'll be linked
in the show notes. If you guys go over to
Paranormal World Productions dot com check out the sasquatch Otasy
blog at the top of the page. I will link
to it there you go. Show us some love on
the show. Check it out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever
you're listening to us right now, you can find into
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(01:19:40):
these amazing stories. Show us some love on YouTube. I
know what the YouTube world is like. It's rough out there, folks.
We take all the help we can get. Go watch
some videos. Give us some like subscribe to the channel. Shannon.
Thank you so much for coming on and spending the time.
I've had an absolute blast talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Thank you. I cannot wait to have you on my show.
Thank you so much. Brian.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
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