September 28, 2025 • 38 mins
From deep in the Alaskan Wilderness Fred Alaska recounts eerie stories of Bigfoot encounters shared by Craig, Marcy, and their 12-year-old son, Daniel, during their expedition to a remote cabin in Alaska.
From strange figures in fur coats to unsettling noises and shadowy silhouettes, the family's experience becomes increasingly eerie as they navigate through treacherous terrain and unexplained phenomena.
The episode also includes John's unnerving experience with rock-throwing in Copper River Valley and the deep superstitions held by native villagers. These tales underscore the wild, mysterious nature of the Alaskan wilderness.
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00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene 00:13 The Journey Begins 01:23 Encounter with the Mysterious Man 04:21 Reaching the Cabin 07:17 Strange Happenings at the Cabin 15:14 The Final Decision 17:51 Quick Pack and Departure 18:57 Encounter in the Swamp 19:48 The Ominous Figure 20:51 Escape and Return 23:00 Sharing the Experience 23:54 John's Fishing Trip 26:49 Rocks and Fear 30:55 The Village Incident 34:25 Conclusion and Thanks
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From strange figures in fur coats to unsettling noises and shadowy silhouettes, the family's experience becomes increasingly eerie as they navigate through treacherous terrain and unexplained phenomena.
The episode also includes John's unnerving experience with rock-throwing in Copper River Valley and the deep superstitions held by native villagers. These tales underscore the wild, mysterious nature of the Alaskan wilderness.
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00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene 00:13 The Journey Begins 01:23 Encounter with the Mysterious Man 04:21 Reaching the Cabin 07:17 Strange Happenings at the Cabin 15:14 The Final Decision 17:51 Quick Pack and Departure 18:57 Encounter in the Swamp 19:48 The Ominous Figure 20:51 Escape and Return 23:00 Sharing the Experience 23:54 John's Fishing Trip 26:49 Rocks and Fear 30:55 The Village Incident 34:25 Conclusion and Thanks
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/sasquatch-odyssey--4839697/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
(00:38):
are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Or was it was?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Jesus Quice, you better New York. Hello, get somebody out here.
What quin on out there? I thought of a bit
is about ticking for nine? I don't know. Easy him
out there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh hey, greetings spread Alaska. Thanks for joining me today.
A little breezy out partly to mostly shitty. To be
honest with you, it is what it is. It's Alaska.
A lot of background stuff going on as far as
gathering information talking to people. What I want to share
with you today comes from Craig and Marcy. This happened
approximately seven years ago. It was the first time they're
(01:33):
taking their twelve year old son, Daniel, on that distance
of an excursion outside of just local campground or something
like that. So this piece of property they're going to,
this cabin belonged to a Craig's uncle and dad before
his dad passed. Since his dad passed is primarily his uncles.
His uncle was there quite often did quite a bit there.
(01:53):
Craig had arranged it to spend about a week out there,
five days to a week depending And so what they
would do is they leave their six wheeler, which is
just like a four wheeler like this, but has a
dump bed and another set of tires. Really good traction
six hundred sec. But anyway, they leave it at their
friend's house. From what Craig says, they jump on the wheeler,
they load up their stuff. They got to go through
(02:16):
a small neighborhood and then they hit this one access
road that goes to a particular well known lake. They
go along that access road and then they take off
from there and it's a few miles out into the
Boonies to get to this cabin they leave. They get
off the main roads and stuff. They're about a couple
miles into it. As they were getting ready to drop
(02:37):
down this one particular hill because at the bottom of
the hill opens up to a bunch of muskeke stuff
that they had to get through to get across to
the other tree line and then onto the cabin, which
was a few more miles after that. There was a
couple guys that were coming out and so being courteous,
he saw him coming up the hill.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I heard him coming up the hill, so stop.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Pulled off the trail so they had room to come
on by because they needed momentum speed coming up. As
soon as they got to the top, they stopped. Tell Craig,
They're like, hey, just be aware. There's some strange dude
out there. We saw earlier this morning. It was up
on the opposite side of the muskeg there. We tried
to holler at him, but he just turned away and
walked off in his fur coat.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Don't know what's up with that guy. You just be aware.
You got your kid with you, your wife, and just
be aware. Craigs, Yeah, we'll move. Be aware.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thanks for the heads up, and the guys you know,
said hey have a good day whatever, and they continue
on their way. They dropped to the bottom and once
they get into the it's not open muskeg, but damn
near and it's huge, just big egg shape open area
about midpoint. So there's a little bit of a firmer
land that comes out onto this swampy area, this particular
(03:42):
first section. Craig was saying that they had to ride
the tree line around to get over to that other spot,
because trying to go through it was just forget about it.
It was just too trenched out and it just begging
to get stuck. So they go around and they're skirting
the tree line, and they make it around and they're
basically at the midway point they start into the second section.
(04:03):
It's even a longer way around if he was to
ride the tree line, and because of how nasty and
gnarly it was, he walked around back and forth trying
to find a good place, but it was just all
too much and he didn't want to risk swamping out,
having his son and wife stuck out in the swampyage
and all that kind of shit, so he opted to
take that long way around, which in essence tripled the
(04:25):
distance that it would have tooken if he could have
just shot straight across. So about three quarters of the
way through that part of it, off to the side
of the right, he said, it was just this hill.
This berm went up about maybe fifty feet tops at
a pretty steep.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Angle, bunch of trees on it and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
As they were coming around, he hears his son say, hey, Dad,
there's that man. There's that man with the fur coat.
He stops what he's doing. He's trying to look up
and see what his son's talking about. He can't see.
He let's go to the handlebars and gets off a
little ways. He's trying to look where his son's pointing,
and when he sees what his son is it's basically
is just going out of you. So he yells up there, hey,
we're down here. I hope you're having a good day,
(05:07):
just pleasantry stuff. But there was no response, so they
said screw this and they continue on. Now he had
a shotgun on his gun rack, his wife had a
three fifty seven in a holster. Craig also had a
forty caliber Semato and a little shoulder holster rig and
so there was nothing tangible as a threat. So this
(05:27):
continued on their way some weirdo and was that he
doesn't one answer, that's fine, just as long as he
isn't doing anything crazy, he won't have to shoot them.
They continue on, they get to the park where it's
back up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Into the hard terrain. They're kicking along.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
In this particular stretch he was saying that weaves back
and forth in these real slow swooping turns.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
There's so many tree roots.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's slow going because this is bem you're just constantly
just banging around. So it was slow going, and where
he could he would cut through and where other people
had obviously, so as they were about halfway through this section,
eventually it's going to open up into another smaller not
quite a muskeg, but open tundrip area.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And then once they.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Crossed there, there's a branch that cuts off to the cabin.
Just before they were out of this section of the woods,
his son again said, hey, there's that man in the
fur coat.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So immediately Craig's had it. He's like, what the hell
is this dude?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Because he wasn't going fast, so obviously anyone could have
kept up if they wanted to, so it wasn't like
they were out running it and it was something od
or anything. So he puts it in part. He gets
off and he's looking where the sun's plating and a son.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Points through the trees.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It was just the right angle to cut through all
these trees and he sees this figure way off in
the distance. Now it wasn't close at all. His son
had a good eye picked it out. He said it
was at least one hundred and twenty five yards just
so lined up perfectly that he could see this thing.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But it was just head and shoulders and it was
silhouetted right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And so Craig just waves like this, you know, yells
out a couple times, and he gets a simple kind
of half hearted hand up, turn and gone. So he goes, okay,
he acknowledged us. He gave a wave because the son
was commenting. Daniel was like Daddy waved. He waved, okay.
So they continued on. Nothing of it weird all over there.
(07:16):
But as he's going along and they're coming to this
section where it opens up. They got across this section,
which is a lot harder for mour terrain. Once they
hit that branch across there, they can cut over the
cabin about a mile from there. As he gets down there,
it starts dawning on him, the distance this thing was,
this person was, and how freaking tall it was right
(07:36):
because it was. It all started as they were going along,
just started adding up. Wait a minute, why is this thing?
That thing had to be huge. And so he stops
in the open area and he's asking a son, Hey,
have you been seeing that thing the whole time? And
the son was like, not the whole time, just here
and there, I'd see it behind us. That gave Craig
the creeps And Marcy's what the hell, and he goes,
(07:57):
let's just get to the cabin, cross that open area,
and then they hit the little split to where they
got to take it off to the cabin where his
uncle's cabin is. Well, when they're pulling onto the property,
the trail cuts off to the left real hard and
it wraps around like a big tear drop around the
cabin right, And it's meant that way for snow machine whatever,
(08:17):
if forre easier to pull around front unload all that
kind of stuff. He pulls around, starts getting everything unloaded.
Marcy and Daniel are inside. They're doing their thing, getting
everything unloaded. Craig grabs his shotgun and he's walking the
back trail, just walking back. It ain't sitting with them, right,
this figure off in the distance and it continuing to.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Follow them, right.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So he walks back, maybe about a half mile, and
he let Marcy know he was going to go for
a walk, and he told her to be aware. And
as he gets about a half mile away or so,
he hears a sharp whistle off to his left, takes
a look over to his left, sees nothing. I was like, man,
that was a real sharp piercing whistle.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That's odd.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yells out, hey, hello, no answer, no nothing, And then
off to his right he hears this crash, kind of
crashing through the brush kind of sound, and so he
turns and he raises his shotgun and he's I'll shoot you.
I'll shoot you, because he said it didn't sound like
a moose. They sounded to buy pedal the sound, and so,
not seeing anything or hearing anything further.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
He was like, screw it. Now, I'm going to get
out of here, y'all.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So he turns around and starts walking back, and every
once in a while he'd look over his shoulder and.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Everything like that. Nothing else, no other weird sounds or anything.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He gets back to the cabin, tells Marcy about the
sharp whistle and the sound, and she goes, we'll just
wall stay close together and hopefully this guy doesn't pose
a threat to us. Yeah, I don't want you to
have to shoot some strange guy in the woods, and Craigs,
I don't either, That's the last thing I want. And
so they're going over their options. Marcy decides that because
Daniel's wound up, he's excited they're out in the woods.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
He wants to be out in it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So Marcy's with them right there on the side of
the cabin while Craig's finishing up some stuff inside. From
what Craig was explaining from on either side of the cab,
it's a good sixty seventy feet of clearance all the
way around this thing for fire reasons. Right, there's no
shrubs left, it's cut down all the way around. There's
no trees here or there, none of that. So when
(10:13):
you're standing on the steps of this cabin looking out,
just down below is a small pond, not quite big
enough to be a lake. Just down this little drop
mountains off through the brush just off over here to
the right a little bit. But there's a fire pit
about midway between the cabin and the tree line, and
it's a good sized fire pit with a couple benches
(10:35):
by it for entertaining or just sitting out by the fire,
and then the rest is just clear cut around. So
Daniel and Marcy were playing on the side. If you're
facing the cabin, it would be to the left side
they're playing. And Daniel found this little strip of leather
and had three jingle bells on it, and he was
just laying just jiggling around.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It was annoying as hell.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Craig tolerated for all of five minutes and finally went out, hey,
bell's got to go.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Daniel's like, where do you want me to put?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Throw it in the woods. So Daniel slings it off
into the brush, thought nothing more of it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He continues doing whatever I want to play kick the
can with Marcia, and Marcia's we're not playing hide and
seek nothing around here right now, not until there's weird
stuff going on with strangers.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We're not going to be hiding from each other, not
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And so they shut that down and decided they're going
to go in and have a real late lunch.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
So they're inside. So the layout of this place when
you go in the door, immediately to your right is
an old blaze kingwood stove window next to that which
was like a big four foot square salvage from somewhere another.
And then once you step inside.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The door, there's like three foot by four foot almost
same as the one opposite, almost mirroring each other. Each
set of windows had blackout curtains on the inside and
then drapes right Atlanta the midnight sun. And then right
beside that is a small table, a counter. There's a
counter on the opposite side, and then a bunk in
(11:58):
the back. There's a comp post toilet back over in
the corner with one of those little accordion blind things
you can move around it or whatever for privacy, which
was for use in the dead winner or the middle
of the night bear you're stuck inside because of bear
or whatever. So they're in there, they're eating their lunch.
As they're wrapping up lunch, about an hour had passed
(12:18):
since they were outside, right, everyone faintly hears this jingle.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
They're like, what the hell.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Craig immediately jumps up grabs that shotgun and goes outside
and figure it's that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So he goes outside.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
He's looking around, doesn't see nothing, and he hears the jingling.
So he moved and he saw the jingle bells. He
assum went Daniel threw it and landed on this tree.
A little bit of movement made it jingle. No one's there,
he didn't see anything. He didn't feel watched or anything.
So it was like, oh okay, so he was able
to dismiss it. He was able to explain it away.
(12:51):
In his mind, everything was all good. He goes back inside,
so everything's calming down, and so they decide they're going
to go out.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Craig's going to start the ball on fire.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Everyone's getting mosquito dope on and stuff like that because
the mosquitos are pretty thick.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
It was about to be getting a june from what
he was saying.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So as he's out there, he's tending the fire, he's
getting it going good. He's just looking for any trash
round to throwing there and burn. And as he's doing that,
he hears the jingle bells again. He goes, you know what,
that's going to drive me crazy. I'm gonna grab a
stick and go knock it out of the brush, just
so it's on the ground. I'll stomp it down to
where the bells don't make noise anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Screw that. I don't want that thing messing with me
while I'm sleeping.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So he finds his stick, his shotguns inside the cabin,
but he's got his forty caliber and his shoulder holster.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He walks over and he's holding his stick.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He found it was an old dip net poll that
didn't no longer have the dip net on it. So
he goes over and he's looking where he saw it
last and it's not there. And he's pushing against a
tree with the stick. Nothing, and he goes looking on
the ground and he doesn't see nothing. So he's like, oh,
I must have fell okay, out of side, out of mind.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Screw it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Goes back over and at that point bringing the stuff
down to make smores. Right, And so while Marcy and
Daniel are making s'mores, Craig's just distracted. He keeps just
getting this weird feeling. And it's still daylight out, it
hasn't reached dusk yet, so he's pay attention to Marcy
will be right back.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
He goes inside, grabs a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
He had some sable slugs and some regular one out slugs,
lead slugs and stuff, so we he did comebacks out
and eat. He loads up different slugs, had extra buckshot
and some other slugs in his pockets.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That made Marci go, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And he goes, I just got a weird feeling, and
she goes, screw that. If you feel more in danger,
we don't need to be out here. We can make
these inside over a little stove or whatever. And he
was like, no, we should be okay, just because just
in case, and so Marcia reluctantly was like okay. So
her and Daniel are doing their best to hurry up
with the s'mores. Daniels, he's young, he's laughing, he's catching
(14:53):
his marshmallow on fire and shit like that, just having
a good time. The night carries on and Daniel's getting
a little tired, and so Marcy says, hey, I'm gonna
go put him to bed. Do you want me to
bring you out a cold beer? And Craig sure, yeah,
just bring out that small cooler. It has a couple
of each. Marcy had some wine coolers and he had
some cold beer in there, and.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well right
back after the East messages.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
She comes back out with it. She sits down and
asks him, Hey, what's going on? Because I guess from
what Craig was saying wasn't present. He was focusing on
other stuff. As they're sitting there talking, he opens a
beer and she's enjoying one of her wine coolers. As
they're talking, way off in the distance, they both could
have swore they heard those jingle bells, just a couple
(15:40):
of jingles and that was it.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
They're asking each other did you hear that? And they're
like yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Immediately Craig's hair starts standing up on the back of
his neck. He goes, yeah, let's enjoy these inside. Let's
go inside. Let's enjoy this stuff inside. So they gather
up the little bit of stuff they had there and
they went inside.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
They're in there for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
They're calming down from just letting their mind just dismiss
away the sound. Well, she had forgot the gram crackers
outside and so she was like, oh, crap, I don't
want that to attract the bear.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Can you go grab him. Craigs was like, sure, I'll
go grab him in just a second.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
He finishes his beer, puts it in the garbage, and
he goes out and he looks around and he yells back, Hey,
where'd you leave him? And she said, they're right there
on the bench, like literally on the seat of the bench.
They weren't there. They're not here anymore. And he walks
back inside. Okay, well maybe she grabbed him. So they're
looking for him inside, can't find him again. All of
a sudden, Marcy and Craig both at the same time,
(16:34):
got the ebgb's basically right.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
What the hell?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And they turn around in that big window there next
to the wood stove, they see this dark silhouette in it.
Craig instantly, Hey, pulls this pistol and he starts aiming it,
and then this thing is gone, moves out of the
way of the window, instantly reholsters it, puts a little
clip on the top of it so it doesn't slip
out or whatever, grabs a shotgun and goes out. Marcy's
telling him stay inside, stay inside. He wasn't listening. He
(16:59):
wasn't gonna have this now. He goes out there's nothing around,
couldn't see nothing, looks all around, looks up on the roof,
looks everywhere. It's not even dust cat right, And so
he goes back inside, shuts the door and there's They
have one of those boards you can slide in for
an extra block, so they puts that on that particular window.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
He starts looking and he's wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
The bottom of the window starts about three feet from
the floor of the cabin. The floor of the cabin
is roughly four to five feet off the ground outside,
so you're talking almost seven foot to the sill of
this window, the lower sill.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
This thing was taking up most of that window.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
It makes it roughly twelve foot tall when it was
wide enough to over four foot.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Wide to block out the whole thing from side to side. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This thing is massive, and she goes it's bigfoot. Now,
you got to understand when they turned in there, they
were startled. They first saw this thing, and then it
moved when he pulled the gun and he yelled, Daniel
started crying.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
So through the mix of this, you gotta understand.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There's a distraught kid, Marcy trying to calm him down,
them trying to figure out what the hell's going on, right,
So it's a little chaotic, but not too overwhelming, but
just chaotic. They get everything calmed down and they dig
ot this portable DVD player for Daniel to distract him
from what was going on. Now there's only the two
windows opposite of each other. Craig shut the blackout curtain
(18:21):
and then drew the drapes as well, and so they're
sitting there. It wasn't necessarily cold, but there's a little
bit of chill in there in the cabin from being
in the shade, so he lit a small fire just
to chase the chill out of the room or whatever
before they went in up going to bed in a
few hours and whatever. He gets that going and they're
calming down. He enjoys another beer, and he just keeps saying, man,
(18:41):
I can't I don't like this. I don't like this
at all. I don't want to be here. And Marcy's
trying to talk low to where Daniel can hear him.
She goes, I don't want to be here either. We
should leave in the morning. Do we have enough daylight
to leave now? And so they're discussing whether or not
they should leave right that moment, or wait till morning.
Craig's sitting there doing the math, and he goes, you
know what, we have time.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We have time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
We could get back. We could clear all the area
and still have daylight. She goes, then let's go. Enough said,
so she tells Daniel shut off. The movie gets stuff on.
So they're doing a quick pack, right, which unfortunately happens often.
So they left a bunch of the can goods and
stuff like that there that wasn't going to perish, a
(19:23):
bunch of stuff just stuffed in the garbage bag basically
because they weren't worried about that stuff. It was all contained.
They had her whatever grab everything they needed. He made
sure that the fire was out in the wood stove,
which it was just a small fire anyway. Basically, what
that meant was he just shut down all the air
to it. He wasn't going to pour water in the thing.
So anyway, he shuts down the stove. They gather up everything,
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they get out, they jump on the six wheeler. Now
by this time Daniel's beat, and so what he does
is Craig sits in the front Daniel in between him
and Marcy.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
He has a rifle on a rack right in front of.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The hannabars forty col and Marcy has a three fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So they leave.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They're heading back. They're motivated. They're very motivated to get
out of there. There's a couple of times he was
going a little crazy and Marcy was like, calm down,
we want to live, we want to make it. It
was intermittent getting the fight or flight, going to just
gun in the throttle and just getting hell out of there.
They make it back to that large swamp area, and
they got a long ways around this way because that's
(20:24):
where they initially saw this thing the first time with
their eyes. He didn't like the thought of going towards it,
but he didn't like the thought of getting stuck out
there and being stuck there through the night with his
wife and kids, so he opted to take.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
That long way around. It was quick going.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
There was nothing remarkable, and they come back up to
this little spit of land in between the tundra because
that's where the trail is. When they come over that,
they have that shorter area to half moon around.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Then they got that hill. He starts going around.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The second area that's smaller, has a little bit of
a steeper hill, and it goes up a little bit higher, right,
little steeper, a little higher. It has less trees, it's
a little more broken up with the trees and stuff.
Still fairly dense, but a lot more broken up than
the other side. So as there about halfway through, he
hears Marcy and Daniel say there it is there, it
is there, it is. So he stops and looks, and
(21:19):
literally halfway up the hill in behind there were some
aspens there where he's standing.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's just standing there looking down at him.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It couldn't hide behind these little spin leap, fricking trees
roughly these sides, couldn't hide behind him. Was just standing
there looking down at him. And it was silhouetted to
where it looked. He said, you can make out that
it had like a grizzled brownish hair, the slight bit reddish.
Couldn't make out what color its skin was or anything,
but he said, the way it was standing was very
almost very tall, very robust, thick thing. And so he
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grabs a shotgun, and he raises a shotgun up and
he takes the safety off. As soon as he clicks
that safety, that thing takes off directly away boom, And
he said it the way it was running boom boom,
you could feel it. He said, it was the most
intimidating thing running away from him. He felt intimidated from
it running away, just from the impact on the ground,
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how heavy this thing was, how obviously powerful.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
It was just very intimidating.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So once it's out of sight, he immediately drops that
gun back down in the gunrack, leaves the safety off.
He wanted to get out of there, so he drops
it down, puts one of the bunges over it, because
it has these two things that stick up on either side,
and he just rest a gun in it. Put one
of the bungees over so it doesn't bounce out. When
they're going up to hill. He finishes wrapping it around.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
He gets to the bottom of the hill and he
has to back up a little ways and get a
little bit of a running start because it's fairly steep.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's a six wheel, so he'll make it, but he
wanted a little more momentum getting at it, so that's
what he does.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
He backs up and just guns it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Makes it up over the top, and once they get
to the top, he hears a tank chain that had
a small little Duffel bag that had all their silverware
in it, right, because Marcy was real potenticular about using
silverware out somewhere else. She would rather bring her own silverware,
nothing plastic, legitimate silverware.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And they kept it in this little miniature Duffel bag.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It was like a little novelty Duffel bag of some
kind with a sports team on it. It fell out
from the little dump gate thing and it hit and
it tore the bag a little bit, so Kraike stopped
real quick. He goes out and there's some spoons and
forks and stuff scattered around. So he's picking that stuff
up and he's dropping it back in the hole. As
he was sitting there, tucking it under some stuff and
making sure the little bungee net was covering the stuff
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a little better, they hear jingle.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It was off to their left.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
They all turn and he said, it must have been
about sixty feet away.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
It was walking.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It wasn't actively shaking it, but the way it was
each impact of the step, it was this jingling jingle.
So they watched it walk from directly in front of them,
off to their left. They didn't see it standing there.
They don't know how long I was standing there. They
didn't realize it was there until they heard the jingle.
They watched the walk away in shock. Immediately Craig jumps
back on, says hold on, and they gun it. They
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take the rest of time it takes, stopping here and there.
Craig would stop and make sure they're not being followed.
He shot some rounds into some suspect shadows, you know
what I mean, because it was getting close to dusk
when they were getting back to that access road, but
he was shooting at dark shadows. He was like, don't
be following me and my family. So they got back
to their friends. Their friends like whoa. And their excuse was,
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is it just something was wrong with Marcie. She wasn't
feeling good. That was their cover story of the friends.
They end up staying the night at their friend's house
that night because they didn't want to drive from the
peninsula all the way back to Anchorage. They were pretty
tired from everything that was going on. They shared everything
with their friend. Their friends were like, that's good to know.
They didn't dismiss them or anything like that. They were
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just like in shock, holy shit, because they know Craig
and Marcy, these are professionals that they're not a bunch
of weirdos in the woods. They have professional careers. They're
not just about fanciful bullshit. You never know, man, you
never know. You got to be aware in the woods.
I want to think Craig and Marcy for sharing. I
did talk to Daniel. He didn't really have much to
add outside of everything because he was twelve year old.
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There was little things about when he was playing or
whatever along the ride, where he thought he saw it,
trying to keep up at different places and whatnot. What
I want to share with you today comes from John.
This happened down about yeah, a mile outside of McCarthy
down Copper River Valley, back in nineteen eighty four. Going
back a little ways on this one, however, the thing
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is a lot of people they internalize these experiences and
they don't really know what to do with them.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They really don't. So we'll get into it.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
John Avid Fisherman back in the day love trout fishing,
and this particular little lake kid go too, not very
big big enough for some good sized trapped to grow in.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's on the north.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Side of the road, approximately a mile outside of mcarthy.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So John gets there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
He came from Valdez, just taking his time, gonna go
have some fun. So as he he's down there, he
starts fishing. The road's right not that far behind him,
with this truck right there, right, So he comes down,
he starts fishing away, and off to his right, approximately
one hundred ish yards, he hears splashing, well, the splashing
he keeps hearing. He looks over and he notices rocks
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being tossed over the alders. What the hell they assume
there's someone messing with him. He kept trying to fish
for a little while and finally got fit up with it.
Figured someone was messing with him, someone was just giving
him a hard time. Figured it was a local or
something like that. So he stops what he's doing and
heads on into mccarth theat a little general store, and
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he was asking about what was going on. Some of
the locals were talking about having aggressive bears in the area.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Bears don't throw rocks.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Okay, They're talking about these aggressive bears and inquiring if
he was armed, and John, yeah, I got my rifle
in the truck, and they're just like, you need to
keep it on you that type of stuff. He started
his day that morning. Just as he is getting ready
to fish, he hears some movement up on the side
of the mountains on the shale when he got the
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binoculars and he's trying to find out what's making the noise,
but he just can't find it. He's like, all right, figure,
there might be the doll sheep coming down or something
like that. So, not saying anything, he continues on does
his fishing thing. But anyway, so he's in town and
there's this woman that was part of this little group
of three. He's got an odd feeling about these three
just something was off. He couldn't pinpoint it at the
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time because he's a little frustrated. He thought maybe they
were part of the group, part of throwing the rocks
and him not enjoying his fishing. This one looked particularly terrified,
was John's words. She looked terrified. At the moment, he
was a little frustrated, so he wasn't putting two and
two together. But they just kept reiterating big bears, aggressive bears,
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stay armed. So he just stopped listening to them and
just went on about his way because again he was frustrated.
He came to fish and he wanted to catch some
good sized trout. Go on about his way. He makes
his way back over there and figures, Okay, maybe since
I said something, the rock doing will stop. And it's
been a minute or so, so you know, the fish
probably calm down. Maybe I can get some good fishing in. Still,
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as he gets back down there and he starts to
fish again, all of a sudden, the rocks start again,
but this time the rocks aren't coming over the alders.
The rocks are being flung through the alders with force,
and they're good sized rocks. Rocks, said, just some person
can't hurl for one, and for two, sure the hell
can't throw it and hurl it through the alders where
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you're here banging off trees and just still flying through.
It's enough force to impact the water. So he starts
really getting ticked out, like what the hell. So this
goes on for a little bit and then he's overcome.
He's overcome by a sense of fear, irrational fear, what
the hell, because it's adding up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
No human can do this, No human can be chucking.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
That size of a rock into the water with that
much force through the Alders. It was banging off of him,
coming ripping through. He gets just shook, is what the hell?
He gets so panic stricken that he didn't do anything
like crazy. He screws up, backed up the little rise
up to where his truck is parked. He throws this
stuff in, of course, and he digs his rifle out
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from the back and pulls it out of the case,
shows his rifle, makes a show of having a gun,
and he's standing there making a show that he has
a gun in the direction where the rocks and stuff
are coming.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Shots fired.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
If a wounded bear comes barreling through, we might hear
a repeat of that. So he makes a show and
again unrealistic fear, nothing tangible, just these rocks being thrown.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He's just sparked this fear. So he jumps in the truck.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's got the loaded rifle round chambered on the front
seat right here, right next to him. He takes off
down the road, but McCarthy road as a bitch, and
he can't get over ten miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
He's got to go real slow. Stay tuned for more
sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And so Now he's worried about that gun being loaded,
so he slows down. He unchambers that round, keeps it loaded,
but not with one in the chamber. Right closes the
bowl has a sitting there, and he ticks off back
down the road, and he's heading towards Chittin, away from McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
As he's going.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Along this road, he keeps getting this overwhelming fear of
something jumping in the bed of his truck and getting
him through the rear window before he could get around chamber.
And how he's going to manipulate the gun and protect himself. Irrational,
irrational thoughts, irrational fear. But that was the overwhelming fear
the whole sixty mile drive.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I've been down that road.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Anyone who's been down McCarthy road washboard Now, this is
nineteen eighty four, so I can only imagine the condition
of it then versus now. And you and squashed Bait
were there last year and it took eight hours, eight
hours to go to McCarthy and back. We didn't mill around,
went to McCarthy, looked around, turn around and went back
eight hours Chittna, McCarthy back to Chittna eight hours. No bullshit,
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crazy beat up road man. They don't give a shit.
So he's going as fast as he can going back
towards Chittna, and the whole time it never faded, it
never slowed down.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
It was this intense pressure of fear, like something going to.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Jump in the back of the truck and he's not
going to be able to wheel this rifle, turn around
and get a shot on it before this thing rips
him out. And he didn't know where it came from.
It was rocks are being thrown. Didn't see anything, no
weird noises outside of the splashes of the rocks in
the water. That unknown fear man just took over. And
he's not a panic guy. There was nothing to be
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scared of, not invisible, none he could see. But it
was this overwhelming pressure of fear, and that fear lasted
all the way through the chitten As soon as he
got across the bridge from McCarthy Road to Vietna, it's
still it didn't subside.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He thought it would, it didn't. He went all the
way back to Valdis.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Still panic stricken in a sense, not to the verge
of driving to radically or anything like that, but get
me the hell home type of thing all the way
back to valdis that fear didn't leave him for days.
Another part of this, another part of John's experience in
the wild is when he went to McCarthy at the
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general store, he was asking about Barstone rocks, just in passing.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It was just a stupid question or whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So he's and what we'll just say, a remote village
outside of Valdis.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
He's doing contracting work.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
They're doing upgrades to a certain infrastructure in this village,
part of a contract, and he was just a laborer
or a worker.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
So he was at this job.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
All these native elders are coming into their dining ten
or whatever and loading up on the meal and whatever.
So he figured, hey, man, this might be a good
time to ask one of these elders about out bearstor
On rocks. Just hey, you ever hear Burston rocks. So
he walks over to the There's a table of these guys,
let's say four or five of them, and obviously elders
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in the community, highly respected. He goes over and asks them,
hey you ever hear Barston rocks. None of them respond
to them, They don't give him a look, they don't respond,
and they'll immediately take their plates and they leave the tent.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
So, okay, I'm sorry for asking whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
One of the younger guys on the crew, native guy
from the village, he was basically told, hey, go to town
for us, because weekends coming. It was like a Friday
go to town, go get us our whiskey kind of
thing for everyone else in the village.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And he's, hey, John, you got to come with me.
So John, okay, So John goes with him.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
The young native guy commitsis telling them that, hey, you
don't have a job, you can't go back to the
village because you're a bad omen. You're talking about things
you don't know about. They're viewing you as the one
that's going to bring a bad omen to them because
you're talking about it. And he was like a bar
thrown rocks and the young guy, the young kid was like, no,
the Harryman bigfoot sasquatch. And he was like what because
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he didn't have it in his wheelhouse, like this big
foot Harryman.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So kid tells him, wh they're in Valadez and is
all this stuff is still back across He ends up
going back with the kid right his boss is told
he can't be here, he has to leave. So his
boss has to bring in another guy, and it won't
be until the following Friday. So John's stuck there, basically
being the pariah of this small Native village, the bringer
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of a bad omen on this project. And he was
just trying to make money. This is back in the
mid eighties, is just trying to make money.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So he was stuck. His boss brings in his.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Son, and so his son flies in on a charter
of the following week and John hops on and gets out.
But yeah, it touches on a couple of things there,
because you got the unknown, fear, unnatural, there's nothing tangible
to just sit there and go, oh, I'm scared because
of this. I'm scared because that it's not that, it's
not that kind of get down. Then on the flip side,
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the poor guy, poor John, he goes this village innocent, hey,
to bearstow rocks. You ever hear this instant Priya instantly
shunned by everyone of prominence in that village.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The poor guy.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Can you imagine you're just a young guy, you go
for a job and you just hey, guys, bear.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Throwing rocks instantly cut off.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's horrible. But to me, I guess I got twisted.
It's a humor, just that kind of It's just so
jacked up, man. But the superstition, man, it runs deep
in the native communities.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I can't express that enough.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
The fact that elders choose to talk to me and
villagers choose to talk to me is a blessing man,
because it's different.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's a different world.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
And if you guys could hear the things I've heard
as far as what some of these villagers share with
me the wider world, just be in shock. Just be
in shock. I want to thank John for reaching out
and being patient. This has been something to work.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Works, but I've had stuff going on in the background,
just life and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Watch more to come again. Thank you to John. Shout
out to squatch Bait. Have my back out in the wood.
Same with Isaac. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, man, Alaska's what
Alaska's so wild. Thank you guys for joining me. We'll
catch you guys on the next one.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
I don't want to be.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
World oppen.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Joy this job every day. Came in ricket back, cricket bags,
for joy, for me, joy staying right, you come in.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Right away, Still still stay, said Stills.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
As Baste stake place, US states gainst US
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Pass
Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
on here, something just cause my dog. Something killed your dog,
my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
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are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
around out here? Did you see what it was?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Or was it was?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Jesus Quice, you better New York. Hello, get somebody out here.
What quin on out there? I thought of a bit
is about ticking for nine? I don't know. Easy him
out there. Yeah, I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Oh hey, greetings spread Alaska. Thanks for joining me today.
A little breezy out partly to mostly shitty. To be
honest with you, it is what it is. It's Alaska.
A lot of background stuff going on as far as
gathering information talking to people. What I want to share
with you today comes from Craig and Marcy. This happened
approximately seven years ago. It was the first time they're
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taking their twelve year old son, Daniel, on that distance
of an excursion outside of just local campground or something
like that. So this piece of property they're going to,
this cabin belonged to a Craig's uncle and dad before
his dad passed. Since his dad passed is primarily his uncles.
His uncle was there quite often did quite a bit there.
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Craig had arranged it to spend about a week out there,
five days to a week depending And so what they
would do is they leave their six wheeler, which is
just like a four wheeler like this, but has a
dump bed and another set of tires. Really good traction
six hundred sec. But anyway, they leave it at their
friend's house. From what Craig says, they jump on the wheeler,
they load up their stuff. They got to go through
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a small neighborhood and then they hit this one access
road that goes to a particular well known lake. They
go along that access road and then they take off
from there and it's a few miles out into the
Boonies to get to this cabin they leave. They get
off the main roads and stuff. They're about a couple
miles into it. As they were getting ready to drop
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down this one particular hill because at the bottom of
the hill opens up to a bunch of muskeke stuff
that they had to get through to get across to
the other tree line and then onto the cabin, which
was a few more miles after that. There was a
couple guys that were coming out and so being courteous,
he saw him coming up the hill.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I heard him coming up the hill, so stop.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Pulled off the trail so they had room to come
on by because they needed momentum speed coming up. As
soon as they got to the top, they stopped. Tell Craig,
They're like, hey, just be aware. There's some strange dude
out there. We saw earlier this morning. It was up
on the opposite side of the muskeg there. We tried
to holler at him, but he just turned away and
walked off in his fur coat.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Don't know what's up with that guy. You just be aware.
You got your kid with you, your wife, and just
be aware. Craigs, Yeah, we'll move. Be aware.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Thanks for the heads up, and the guys you know,
said hey have a good day whatever, and they continue
on their way. They dropped to the bottom and once
they get into the it's not open muskeg, but damn
near and it's huge, just big egg shape open area
about midpoint. So there's a little bit of a firmer
land that comes out onto this swampy area, this particular
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first section. Craig was saying that they had to ride
the tree line around to get over to that other spot,
because trying to go through it was just forget about it.
It was just too trenched out and it just begging
to get stuck. So they go around and they're skirting
the tree line, and they make it around and they're
basically at the midway point they start into the second section.
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It's even a longer way around if he was to
ride the tree line, and because of how nasty and
gnarly it was, he walked around back and forth trying
to find a good place, but it was just all
too much and he didn't want to risk swamping out,
having his son and wife stuck out in the swampyage
and all that kind of shit, so he opted to
take that long way around, which in essence tripled the
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distance that it would have tooken if he could have
just shot straight across. So about three quarters of the
way through that part of it, off to the side
of the right, he said, it was just this hill.
This berm went up about maybe fifty feet tops at
a pretty steep.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Angle, bunch of trees on it and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
As they were coming around, he hears his son say, hey, Dad,
there's that man. There's that man with the fur coat.
He stops what he's doing. He's trying to look up
and see what his son's talking about. He can't see.
He let's go to the handlebars and gets off a
little ways. He's trying to look where his son's pointing,
and when he sees what his son is it's basically
is just going out of you. So he yells up there, hey,
we're down here. I hope you're having a good day,
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just pleasantry stuff. But there was no response, so they
said screw this and they continue on. Now he had
a shotgun on his gun rack, his wife had a
three fifty seven in a holster. Craig also had a
forty caliber Semato and a little shoulder holster rig and
so there was nothing tangible as a threat. So this
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continued on their way some weirdo and was that he
doesn't one answer, that's fine, just as long as he
isn't doing anything crazy, he won't have to shoot them.
They continue on, they get to the park where it's
back up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Into the hard terrain. They're kicking along.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
In this particular stretch he was saying that weaves back
and forth in these real slow swooping turns.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
There's so many tree roots.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's slow going because this is bem you're just constantly
just banging around. So it was slow going, and where
he could he would cut through and where other people
had obviously, so as they were about halfway through this section,
eventually it's going to open up into another smaller not
quite a muskeg, but open tundrip area.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
And then once they.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Crossed there, there's a branch that cuts off to the cabin.
Just before they were out of this section of the woods,
his son again said, hey, there's that man in the
fur coat.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So immediately Craig's had it. He's like, what the hell
is this dude?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Because he wasn't going fast, so obviously anyone could have
kept up if they wanted to, so it wasn't like
they were out running it and it was something od
or anything. So he puts it in part. He gets
off and he's looking where the sun's plating and a son.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Points through the trees.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It was just the right angle to cut through all
these trees and he sees this figure way off in
the distance. Now it wasn't close at all. His son
had a good eye picked it out. He said it
was at least one hundred and twenty five yards just
so lined up perfectly that he could see this thing.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But it was just head and shoulders and it was
silhouetted right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
And so Craig just waves like this, you know, yells
out a couple times, and he gets a simple kind
of half hearted hand up, turn and gone. So he goes, okay,
he acknowledged us. He gave a wave because the son
was commenting. Daniel was like Daddy waved. He waved, okay.
So they continued on. Nothing of it weird all over there.
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But as he's going along and they're coming to this
section where it opens up. They got across this section,
which is a lot harder for mour terrain. Once they
hit that branch across there, they can cut over the
cabin about a mile from there. As he gets down there,
it starts dawning on him, the distance this thing was,
this person was, and how freaking tall it was right
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because it was. It all started as they were going along,
just started adding up. Wait a minute, why is this thing?
That thing had to be huge. And so he stops
in the open area and he's asking a son, Hey,
have you been seeing that thing the whole time? And
the son was like, not the whole time, just here
and there, I'd see it behind us. That gave Craig
the creeps And Marcy's what the hell, and he goes,
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let's just get to the cabin, cross that open area,
and then they hit the little split to where they
got to take it off to the cabin where his
uncle's cabin is. Well, when they're pulling onto the property,
the trail cuts off to the left real hard and
it wraps around like a big tear drop around the
cabin right, And it's meant that way for snow machine whatever,
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if forre easier to pull around front unload all that
kind of stuff. He pulls around, starts getting everything unloaded.
Marcy and Daniel are inside. They're doing their thing, getting
everything unloaded. Craig grabs his shotgun and he's walking the
back trail, just walking back. It ain't sitting with them, right,
this figure off in the distance and it continuing to.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Follow them, right.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So he walks back, maybe about a half mile, and
he let Marcy know he was going to go for
a walk, and he told her to be aware. And
as he gets about a half mile away or so,
he hears a sharp whistle off to his left, takes
a look over to his left, sees nothing. I was like, man,
that was a real sharp piercing whistle.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That's odd.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yells out, hey, hello, no answer, no nothing, And then
off to his right he hears this crash, kind of
crashing through the brush kind of sound, and so he
turns and he raises his shotgun and he's I'll shoot you.
I'll shoot you, because he said it didn't sound like
a moose. They sounded to buy pedal the sound, and so,
not seeing anything or hearing anything further.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
He was like, screw it. Now, I'm going to get
out of here, y'all.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
So he turns around and starts walking back, and every
once in a while he'd look over his shoulder and.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Everything like that. Nothing else, no other weird sounds or anything.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He gets back to the cabin, tells Marcy about the
sharp whistle and the sound, and she goes, we'll just
wall stay close together and hopefully this guy doesn't pose
a threat to us. Yeah, I don't want you to
have to shoot some strange guy in the woods, and Craigs,
I don't either, That's the last thing I want. And
so they're going over their options. Marcy decides that because
Daniel's wound up, he's excited they're out in the woods.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
He wants to be out in it.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
So Marcy's with them right there on the side of
the cabin while Craig's finishing up some stuff inside. From
what Craig was explaining from on either side of the cab,
it's a good sixty seventy feet of clearance all the
way around this thing for fire reasons. Right, there's no
shrubs left, it's cut down all the way around. There's
no trees here or there, none of that. So when
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you're standing on the steps of this cabin looking out,
just down below is a small pond, not quite big
enough to be a lake. Just down this little drop
mountains off through the brush just off over here to
the right a little bit. But there's a fire pit
about midway between the cabin and the tree line, and
it's a good sized fire pit with a couple benches
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by it for entertaining or just sitting out by the fire,
and then the rest is just clear cut around. So
Daniel and Marcy were playing on the side. If you're
facing the cabin, it would be to the left side
they're playing. And Daniel found this little strip of leather
and had three jingle bells on it, and he was
just laying just jiggling around.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
It was annoying as hell.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Craig tolerated for all of five minutes and finally went out, hey,
bell's got to go.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Daniel's like, where do you want me to put?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You?
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Throw it in the woods. So Daniel slings it off
into the brush, thought nothing more of it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He continues doing whatever I want to play kick the
can with Marcia, and Marcia's we're not playing hide and
seek nothing around here right now, not until there's weird
stuff going on with strangers.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
We're not going to be hiding from each other, not
right now.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
And so they shut that down and decided they're going
to go in and have a real late lunch.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
So they're inside. So the layout of this place when
you go in the door, immediately to your right is
an old blaze kingwood stove window next to that which
was like a big four foot square salvage from somewhere another.
And then once you step inside.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The door, there's like three foot by four foot almost
same as the one opposite, almost mirroring each other. Each
set of windows had blackout curtains on the inside and
then drapes right Atlanta the midnight sun. And then right
beside that is a small table, a counter. There's a
counter on the opposite side, and then a bunk in
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the back. There's a comp post toilet back over in
the corner with one of those little accordion blind things
you can move around it or whatever for privacy, which
was for use in the dead winner or the middle
of the night bear you're stuck inside because of bear
or whatever. So they're in there, they're eating their lunch.
As they're wrapping up lunch, about an hour had passed
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since they were outside, right, everyone faintly hears this jingle.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
They're like, what the hell.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Craig immediately jumps up grabs that shotgun and goes outside
and figure it's that guy.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
So he goes outside.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
He's looking around, doesn't see nothing, and he hears the jingling.
So he moved and he saw the jingle bells. He
assum went Daniel threw it and landed on this tree.
A little bit of movement made it jingle. No one's there,
he didn't see anything. He didn't feel watched or anything.
So it was like, oh okay, so he was able
to dismiss it. He was able to explain it away.
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In his mind, everything was all good. He goes back inside,
so everything's calming down, and so they decide they're going
to go out.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Craig's going to start the ball on fire.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Everyone's getting mosquito dope on and stuff like that because
the mosquitos are pretty thick.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
It was about to be getting a june from what
he was saying.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So as he's out there, he's tending the fire, he's
getting it going good. He's just looking for any trash
round to throwing there and burn. And as he's doing that,
he hears the jingle bells again. He goes, you know what,
that's going to drive me crazy. I'm gonna grab a
stick and go knock it out of the brush, just
so it's on the ground. I'll stomp it down to
where the bells don't make noise anymore.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Screw that. I don't want that thing messing with me
while I'm sleeping.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So he finds his stick, his shotguns inside the cabin,
but he's got his forty caliber and his shoulder holster.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
He walks over and he's holding his stick.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He found it was an old dip net poll that
didn't no longer have the dip net on it. So
he goes over and he's looking where he saw it
last and it's not there. And he's pushing against a
tree with the stick. Nothing, and he goes looking on
the ground and he doesn't see nothing. So he's like, oh,
I must have fell okay, out of side, out of mind.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Screw it.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Goes back over and at that point bringing the stuff
down to make smores. Right, And so while Marcy and
Daniel are making s'mores, Craig's just distracted. He keeps just
getting this weird feeling. And it's still daylight out, it
hasn't reached dusk yet, so he's pay attention to Marcy
will be right back.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
He goes inside, grabs a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
He had some sable slugs and some regular one out slugs,
lead slugs and stuff, so we he did comebacks out
and eat. He loads up different slugs, had extra buckshot
and some other slugs in his pockets.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
That made Marci go, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And he goes, I just got a weird feeling, and
she goes, screw that. If you feel more in danger,
we don't need to be out here. We can make
these inside over a little stove or whatever. And he
was like, no, we should be okay, just because just
in case, and so Marcia reluctantly was like okay. So
her and Daniel are doing their best to hurry up
with the s'mores. Daniels, he's young, he's laughing, he's catching
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his marshmallow on fire and shit like that, just having
a good time. The night carries on and Daniel's getting
a little tired, and so Marcy says, hey, I'm gonna
go put him to bed. Do you want me to
bring you out a cold beer? And Craig sure, yeah,
just bring out that small cooler. It has a couple
of each. Marcy had some wine coolers and he had
some cold beer in there, and.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. Well right
back after the East messages.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
She comes back out with it. She sits down and
asks him, Hey, what's going on? Because I guess from
what Craig was saying wasn't present. He was focusing on
other stuff. As they're sitting there talking, he opens a
beer and she's enjoying one of her wine coolers. As
they're talking, way off in the distance, they both could
have swore they heard those jingle bells, just a couple
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of jingles and that was it.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
They're asking each other did you hear that? And they're
like yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Immediately Craig's hair starts standing up on the back of
his neck. He goes, yeah, let's enjoy these inside. Let's
go inside. Let's enjoy this stuff inside. So they gather
up the little bit of stuff they had there and
they went inside.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
They're in there for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
They're calming down from just letting their mind just dismiss
away the sound. Well, she had forgot the gram crackers
outside and so she was like, oh, crap, I don't
want that to attract the bear.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Can you go grab him. Craigs was like, sure, I'll
go grab him in just a second.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
He finishes his beer, puts it in the garbage, and
he goes out and he looks around and he yells back, Hey,
where'd you leave him? And she said, they're right there
on the bench, like literally on the seat of the bench.
They weren't there. They're not here anymore. And he walks
back inside. Okay, well maybe she grabbed him. So they're
looking for him inside, can't find him again. All of
a sudden, Marcy and Craig both at the same time,
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got the ebgb's basically right.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
What the hell?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
And they turn around in that big window there next
to the wood stove, they see this dark silhouette in it.
Craig instantly, Hey, pulls this pistol and he starts aiming it,
and then this thing is gone, moves out of the
way of the window, instantly reholsters it, puts a little
clip on the top of it so it doesn't slip
out or whatever, grabs a shotgun and goes out. Marcy's
telling him stay inside, stay inside. He wasn't listening. He
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wasn't gonna have this now. He goes out there's nothing around,
couldn't see nothing, looks all around, looks up on the roof,
looks everywhere. It's not even dust cat right, And so
he goes back inside, shuts the door and there's They
have one of those boards you can slide in for
an extra block, so they puts that on that particular window.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
He starts looking and he's wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
The bottom of the window starts about three feet from
the floor of the cabin. The floor of the cabin
is roughly four to five feet off the ground outside,
so you're talking almost seven foot to the sill of
this window, the lower sill.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
This thing was taking up most of that window.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
It makes it roughly twelve foot tall when it was
wide enough to over four foot.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Wide to block out the whole thing from side to side. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This thing is massive, and she goes it's bigfoot. Now,
you got to understand when they turned in there, they
were startled. They first saw this thing, and then it
moved when he pulled the gun and he yelled, Daniel
started crying.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
So through the mix of this, you gotta understand.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
There's a distraught kid, Marcy trying to calm him down,
them trying to figure out what the hell's going on, right,
So it's a little chaotic, but not too overwhelming, but
just chaotic. They get everything calmed down and they dig
ot this portable DVD player for Daniel to distract him
from what was going on. Now there's only the two
windows opposite of each other. Craig shut the blackout curtain
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and then drew the drapes as well, and so they're
sitting there. It wasn't necessarily cold, but there's a little
bit of chill in there in the cabin from being
in the shade, so he lit a small fire just
to chase the chill out of the room or whatever
before they went in up going to bed in a
few hours and whatever. He gets that going and they're
calming down. He enjoys another beer, and he just keeps saying, man,
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I can't I don't like this. I don't like this
at all. I don't want to be here. And Marcy's
trying to talk low to where Daniel can hear him.
She goes, I don't want to be here either. We
should leave in the morning. Do we have enough daylight
to leave now? And so they're discussing whether or not
they should leave right that moment, or wait till morning.
Craig's sitting there doing the math, and he goes, you
know what, we have time.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
We have time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
We could get back. We could clear all the area
and still have daylight. She goes, then let's go. Enough said,
so she tells Daniel shut off. The movie gets stuff on.
So they're doing a quick pack, right, which unfortunately happens often.
So they left a bunch of the can goods and
stuff like that there that wasn't going to perish, a
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bunch of stuff just stuffed in the garbage bag basically
because they weren't worried about that stuff. It was all contained.
They had her whatever grab everything they needed. He made
sure that the fire was out in the wood stove,
which it was just a small fire anyway. Basically, what
that meant was he just shut down all the air
to it. He wasn't going to pour water in the thing.
So anyway, he shuts down the stove. They gather up everything,
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they get out, they jump on the six wheeler. Now
by this time Daniel's beat, and so what he does
is Craig sits in the front Daniel in between him
and Marcy.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
He has a rifle on a rack right in front of.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The hannabars forty col and Marcy has a three fifty seven.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
So they leave.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They're heading back. They're motivated. They're very motivated to get
out of there. There's a couple of times he was
going a little crazy and Marcy was like, calm down,
we want to live, we want to make it. It
was intermittent getting the fight or flight, going to just
gun in the throttle and just getting hell out of there.
They make it back to that large swamp area, and
they got a long ways around this way because that's
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where they initially saw this thing the first time with
their eyes. He didn't like the thought of going towards it,
but he didn't like the thought of getting stuck out
there and being stuck there through the night with his
wife and kids, so he opted to take.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
That long way around. It was quick going.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
There was nothing remarkable, and they come back up to
this little spit of land in between the tundra because
that's where the trail is. When they come over that,
they have that shorter area to half moon around.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Then they got that hill. He starts going around.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
The second area that's smaller, has a little bit of
a steeper hill, and it goes up a little bit higher, right,
little steeper, a little higher. It has less trees, it's
a little more broken up with the trees and stuff.
Still fairly dense, but a lot more broken up than
the other side. So as there about halfway through, he
hears Marcy and Daniel say there it is there, it
is there, it is. So he stops and looks, and
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literally halfway up the hill in behind there were some
aspens there where he's standing.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's just standing there looking down at him.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It couldn't hide behind these little spin leap, fricking trees
roughly these sides, couldn't hide behind him. Was just standing
there looking down at him. And it was silhouetted to
where it looked. He said, you can make out that
it had like a grizzled brownish hair, the slight bit reddish.
Couldn't make out what color its skin was or anything,
but he said, the way it was standing was very
almost very tall, very robust, thick thing. And so he
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grabs a shotgun, and he raises a shotgun up and
he takes the safety off. As soon as he clicks
that safety, that thing takes off directly away boom, And
he said it the way it was running boom boom,
you could feel it. He said, it was the most
intimidating thing running away from him. He felt intimidated from
it running away, just from the impact on the ground,
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how heavy this thing was, how obviously powerful.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
It was just very intimidating.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
So once it's out of sight, he immediately drops that
gun back down in the gunrack, leaves the safety off.
He wanted to get out of there, so he drops
it down, puts one of the bunges over it, because
it has these two things that stick up on either side,
and he just rest a gun in it. Put one
of the bungees over so it doesn't bounce out. When
they're going up to hill. He finishes wrapping it around.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
He gets to the bottom of the hill and he
has to back up a little ways and get a
little bit of a running start because it's fairly steep.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's a six wheel, so he'll make it, but he
wanted a little more momentum getting at it, so that's
what he does.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
He backs up and just guns it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Makes it up over the top, and once they get
to the top, he hears a tank chain that had
a small little Duffel bag that had all their silverware
in it, right, because Marcy was real potenticular about using
silverware out somewhere else. She would rather bring her own silverware,
nothing plastic, legitimate silverware.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And they kept it in this little miniature Duffel bag.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
It was like a little novelty Duffel bag of some
kind with a sports team on it. It fell out
from the little dump gate thing and it hit and
it tore the bag a little bit, so Kraike stopped
real quick. He goes out and there's some spoons and
forks and stuff scattered around. So he's picking that stuff
up and he's dropping it back in the hole. As
he was sitting there, tucking it under some stuff and
making sure the little bungee net was covering the stuff
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a little better, they hear jingle.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It was off to their left.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
They all turn and he said, it must have been
about sixty feet away.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
It was walking.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It wasn't actively shaking it, but the way it was
each impact of the step, it was this jingling jingle.
So they watched it walk from directly in front of them,
off to their left. They didn't see it standing there.
They don't know how long I was standing there. They
didn't realize it was there until they heard the jingle.
They watched the walk away in shock. Immediately Craig jumps
back on, says hold on, and they gun it. They
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take the rest of time it takes, stopping here and there.
Craig would stop and make sure they're not being followed.
He shot some rounds into some suspect shadows, you know
what I mean, because it was getting close to dusk
when they were getting back to that access road, but
he was shooting at dark shadows. He was like, don't
be following me and my family. So they got back
to their friends. Their friends like whoa. And their excuse was,
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is it just something was wrong with Marcie. She wasn't
feeling good. That was their cover story of the friends.
They end up staying the night at their friend's house
that night because they didn't want to drive from the
peninsula all the way back to Anchorage. They were pretty
tired from everything that was going on. They shared everything
with their friend. Their friends were like, that's good to know.
They didn't dismiss them or anything like that. They were
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just like in shock, holy shit, because they know Craig
and Marcy, these are professionals that they're not a bunch
of weirdos in the woods. They have professional careers. They're
not just about fanciful bullshit. You never know, man, you
never know. You got to be aware in the woods.
I want to think Craig and Marcy for sharing. I
did talk to Daniel. He didn't really have much to
add outside of everything because he was twelve year old.
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There was little things about when he was playing or
whatever along the ride, where he thought he saw it,
trying to keep up at different places and whatnot. What
I want to share with you today comes from John.
This happened down about yeah, a mile outside of McCarthy
down Copper River Valley, back in nineteen eighty four. Going
back a little ways on this one, however, the thing
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is a lot of people they internalize these experiences and
they don't really know what to do with them.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They really don't. So we'll get into it.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
John Avid Fisherman back in the day love trout fishing,
and this particular little lake kid go too, not very
big big enough for some good sized trapped to grow in.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
He's on the north.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Side of the road, approximately a mile outside of mcarthy.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So John gets there.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
He came from Valdez, just taking his time, gonna go
have some fun. So as he he's down there, he
starts fishing. The road's right not that far behind him,
with this truck right there, right, So he comes down,
he starts fishing away, and off to his right, approximately
one hundred ish yards, he hears splashing, well, the splashing
he keeps hearing. He looks over and he notices rocks
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being tossed over the alders. What the hell they assume
there's someone messing with him. He kept trying to fish
for a little while and finally got fit up with it.
Figured someone was messing with him, someone was just giving
him a hard time. Figured it was a local or
something like that. So he stops what he's doing and
heads on into mccarth theat a little general store, and
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he was asking about what was going on. Some of
the locals were talking about having aggressive bears in the area.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Bears don't throw rocks.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Okay, They're talking about these aggressive bears and inquiring if
he was armed, and John, yeah, I got my rifle
in the truck, and they're just like, you need to
keep it on you that type of stuff. He started
his day that morning. Just as he is getting ready
to fish, he hears some movement up on the side
of the mountains on the shale when he got the
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binoculars and he's trying to find out what's making the noise,
but he just can't find it. He's like, all right, figure,
there might be the doll sheep coming down or something
like that. So, not saying anything, he continues on does
his fishing thing. But anyway, so he's in town and
there's this woman that was part of this little group
of three. He's got an odd feeling about these three
just something was off. He couldn't pinpoint it at the
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time because he's a little frustrated. He thought maybe they
were part of the group, part of throwing the rocks
and him not enjoying his fishing. This one looked particularly terrified,
was John's words. She looked terrified. At the moment, he
was a little frustrated, so he wasn't putting two and
two together. But they just kept reiterating big bears, aggressive bears,
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stay armed. So he just stopped listening to them and
just went on about his way because again he was frustrated.
He came to fish and he wanted to catch some
good sized trout. Go on about his way. He makes
his way back over there and figures, Okay, maybe since
I said something, the rock doing will stop. And it's
been a minute or so, so you know, the fish
probably calm down. Maybe I can get some good fishing in. Still,
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as he gets back down there and he starts to
fish again, all of a sudden, the rocks start again,
but this time the rocks aren't coming over the alders.
The rocks are being flung through the alders with force,
and they're good sized rocks. Rocks, said, just some person
can't hurl for one, and for two, sure the hell
can't throw it and hurl it through the alders where
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you're here banging off trees and just still flying through.
It's enough force to impact the water. So he starts
really getting ticked out, like what the hell. So this
goes on for a little bit and then he's overcome.
He's overcome by a sense of fear, irrational fear, what
the hell, because it's adding up.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
No human can do this, No human can be chucking.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
That size of a rock into the water with that
much force through the Alders. It was banging off of him,
coming ripping through. He gets just shook, is what the hell?
He gets so panic stricken that he didn't do anything
like crazy. He screws up, backed up the little rise
up to where his truck is parked. He throws this
stuff in, of course, and he digs his rifle out
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from the back and pulls it out of the case,
shows his rifle, makes a show of having a gun,
and he's standing there making a show that he has
a gun in the direction where the rocks and stuff
are coming.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Shots fired.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
If a wounded bear comes barreling through, we might hear
a repeat of that. So he makes a show and
again unrealistic fear, nothing tangible, just these rocks being thrown.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
He's just sparked this fear. So he jumps in the truck.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's got the loaded rifle round chambered on the front
seat right here, right next to him. He takes off
down the road, but McCarthy road as a bitch, and
he can't get over ten miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
He's got to go real slow. Stay tuned for more
sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And so Now he's worried about that gun being loaded,
so he slows down. He unchambers that round, keeps it loaded,
but not with one in the chamber. Right closes the
bowl has a sitting there, and he ticks off back
down the road, and he's heading towards Chittin, away from McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
As he's going.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Along this road, he keeps getting this overwhelming fear of
something jumping in the bed of his truck and getting
him through the rear window before he could get around chamber.
And how he's going to manipulate the gun and protect himself. Irrational,
irrational thoughts, irrational fear. But that was the overwhelming fear
the whole sixty mile drive.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I've been down that road.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Anyone who's been down McCarthy road washboard Now, this is
nineteen eighty four, so I can only imagine the condition
of it then versus now. And you and squashed Bait
were there last year and it took eight hours, eight
hours to go to McCarthy and back. We didn't mill around,
went to McCarthy, looked around, turn around and went back
eight hours Chittna, McCarthy back to Chittna eight hours. No bullshit,
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crazy beat up road man. They don't give a shit.
So he's going as fast as he can going back
towards Chittna, and the whole time it never faded, it
never slowed down.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
It was this intense pressure of fear, like something going to.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Jump in the back of the truck and he's not
going to be able to wheel this rifle, turn around
and get a shot on it before this thing rips
him out. And he didn't know where it came from.
It was rocks are being thrown. Didn't see anything, no
weird noises outside of the splashes of the rocks in
the water. That unknown fear man just took over. And
he's not a panic guy. There was nothing to be
(31:48):
scared of, not invisible, none he could see. But it
was this overwhelming pressure of fear, and that fear lasted
all the way through the chitten As soon as he
got across the bridge from McCarthy Road to Vietna, it's
still it didn't subside.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He thought it would, it didn't. He went all the
way back to Valdis.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Still panic stricken in a sense, not to the verge
of driving to radically or anything like that, but get
me the hell home type of thing all the way
back to valdis that fear didn't leave him for days.
Another part of this, another part of John's experience in
the wild is when he went to McCarthy at the
(32:27):
general store, he was asking about Barstone rocks, just in passing.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
It was just a stupid question or whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So he's and what we'll just say, a remote village
outside of Valdis.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
He's doing contracting work.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
They're doing upgrades to a certain infrastructure in this village,
part of a contract, and he was just a laborer
or a worker.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
So he was at this job.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
All these native elders are coming into their dining ten
or whatever and loading up on the meal and whatever.
So he figured, hey, man, this might be a good
time to ask one of these elders about out bearstor
On rocks. Just hey, you ever hear Burston rocks. So
he walks over to the There's a table of these guys,
let's say four or five of them, and obviously elders
(33:10):
in the community, highly respected. He goes over and asks them,
hey you ever hear Barston rocks. None of them respond
to them, They don't give him a look, they don't respond,
and they'll immediately take their plates and they leave the tent.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
So, okay, I'm sorry for asking whatever.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
One of the younger guys on the crew, native guy
from the village, he was basically told, hey, go to town
for us, because weekends coming. It was like a Friday
go to town, go get us our whiskey kind of
thing for everyone else in the village.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And he's, hey, John, you got to come with me.
So John, okay, So John goes with him.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
The young native guy commitsis telling them that, hey, you
don't have a job, you can't go back to the
village because you're a bad omen. You're talking about things
you don't know about. They're viewing you as the one
that's going to bring a bad omen to them because
you're talking about it. And he was like a bar
thrown rocks and the young guy, the young kid was like, no,
the Harryman bigfoot sasquatch. And he was like what because
(34:06):
he didn't have it in his wheelhouse, like this big
foot Harryman.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
It wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So kid tells him, wh they're in Valadez and is
all this stuff is still back across He ends up
going back with the kid right his boss is told
he can't be here, he has to leave. So his
boss has to bring in another guy, and it won't
be until the following Friday. So John's stuck there, basically
being the pariah of this small Native village, the bringer
(34:34):
of a bad omen on this project. And he was
just trying to make money. This is back in the
mid eighties, is just trying to make money.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
So he was stuck. His boss brings in his.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Son, and so his son flies in on a charter
of the following week and John hops on and gets out.
But yeah, it touches on a couple of things there,
because you got the unknown, fear, unnatural, there's nothing tangible
to just sit there and go, oh, I'm scared because
of this. I'm scared because that it's not that, it's
not that kind of get down. Then on the flip side,
(35:05):
the poor guy, poor John, he goes this village innocent, hey,
to bearstow rocks. You ever hear this instant Priya instantly
shunned by everyone of prominence in that village.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
The poor guy.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Can you imagine you're just a young guy, you go
for a job and you just hey, guys, bear.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Throwing rocks instantly cut off.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
It's horrible. But to me, I guess I got twisted.
It's a humor, just that kind of It's just so
jacked up, man. But the superstition, man, it runs deep
in the native communities.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I can't express that enough.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
The fact that elders choose to talk to me and
villagers choose to talk to me is a blessing man,
because it's different.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
It's a different world.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
And if you guys could hear the things I've heard
as far as what some of these villagers share with
me the wider world, just be in shock. Just be
in shock. I want to thank John for reaching out
and being patient. This has been something to work.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Works, but I've had stuff going on in the background,
just life and other stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Watch more to come again. Thank you to John. Shout
out to squatch Bait. Have my back out in the wood.
Same with Isaac. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, man, Alaska's what
Alaska's so wild. Thank you guys for joining me. We'll
catch you guys on the next one.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
They say, you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.
I don't want to be.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
World oppen.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Joy this job every day. Came in ricket back, cricket bags,
for joy, for me, joy staying right, you come in.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Right away, Still still stay, said Stills.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
As Baste stake place, US states gainst US
Speaker 6 (38:23):
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