SO EP:668 Bigfoot: The Missouri Files-Part One

In this unforgettable episode of Sasquatch Odyssey, Levi from Missouri takes us deep into his extraordinary journey—one that bridges Bigfoot encounters with UFO research. With years of experience investigating unexplained aerial phenomena, Levi brings a unique perspective to the world of Sasquatch.

His story begins at Weldon Springs near St. Louis, where eerie parallel footsteps, unsettling sounds, and unusual tree structures marked his first brushes with the unknown. From there, Levi’s research evolved into a high-tech pursuit, utilizing spectrum analyzers, seismic sensors, and advanced camera systems to document activity that defies easy explanation.

Levi shares gripping accounts of mysterious voices in the darkness, strange lights in the woods, and overwhelming moments of fear during expeditions. His integration of UFO research methods with Bigfoot investigations reveals surprising connections and adds a compelling dimension to the mysteries of both. And this is just the beginning. 

This episode is Part One of Two—so stay tuned for next Friday’s Round Two, where we dive into even stranger experiences, including Levi’s explanation of the mysterious “telephone machine” he refers to throughout our conversation.



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Episode Breakdown:
00:00 – Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:10 – Levi’s Journey into Bigfoot Research
01:07 – First Encounter at Weldon Springs
03:05 – Escalating Experiences and Discoveries
06:39 – First Expedition and Unexplained Phenomena
16:04 – Second Night: Intense Activity and Light Encounter
32:22 – Analyzing Electronic Readings and Infrasound
36:31 – Uranium Manufacturing and Radio Tweaks
38:11 – Seismic Sensors and Bigfoot Detection
40:22 – High-Tech Game Camera Innovations
41:52 – Challenges and Successes in Bigfoot Research
44:44 – Expedition Experiences and Anomalies
48:49 – Unexplained Phenomena and Encounters
01:03:26 – Strange Findings and Government Interference
01:12:26 – Concluding Thoughts and Future Research





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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
I've been on for most of my life. Ever since
I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
over the fence, and they would dead once you hit
the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
was my dog coming over the fence. What are you reporting?

(01:46):
We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Did you see what it was? It was enough out
here looking them new to oneowing now and I don't
need anything. I don't want to go outside just fighting. Hello,

(02:10):
hit the buddy out here? What quint on out there?
It's thought up a bit, just about six foot nine.
I don't know. Easy announce there.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, I'm walking right y II folks wan welcome my
guest to the show. It is Levi from Missouri.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Welcome to the show, sir, hi, thanks for having me here.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I have been looking forward to this conversation. Let's get
right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What
in the world got you interested in the subject of
bigfoot sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
To begin with, Yeah, I have a pretty extensive background
in UFO research, which kind of led to the possibility
of paranormal and bigfoot connection. Noticed that some of the
spots that I was visiting for UFO stuff also had
a pretty large background or history of sightings of bigfoot

(02:56):
or sasquatch. Moved to Missouri two years ago, started doing
some research around here, went to a spot that I
had heard about in a couple other podcasts and interviews.
Pretty much immediately started having what I would consider some
sort of contact with whatever was out there That basically
turned into Okay, this is more than likely bigfoot. So

(03:17):
that's how I got into it.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Let's get right into those experiences. Why don't you take
us back to where you were, what you were doing,
and tell us what happened to you.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah. So I went to a spot called Weldon Springs.
It's about a twenty minute drive from downtown Saint Louis.
At this point, there's quite a few people who have
branched out to this area to look around and see
what they could find. Initially, it just started like going
on day hikes, and then eventually into the early evening,

(03:45):
I started noticing that I was getting what people considered
the parallel footsteps on certain parts of the trail, had
some really weird sounds that kind of just popped up,
the typical like stick crack that shouldn't be there, or
animal sounds that don't quite sound right. Then it just
all escalated. I was out one night doing some research.

(04:07):
There's a portion of this trail, it's probably one of
the most visited trails in the entire area, and I
could hear something paralleling me in the woods this particular
portion of the trail. The trees they make a tunnel.
They're not overgrown and they're not cut. For whatever reason,
the foliage there grows into this very weird, very dense

(04:28):
for four or five feet from the trail in area
of that forest, I'm walking, stopping it stopping, So I
started trying to trick it in quotations. That doesn't really work,
walking faster or slowing down, stopping, abruptly, turning around, tried
to do everything from my best guess whatever it was
bipedal and following me on my right hand side. After

(04:52):
that point, I was like, Okay, there's something out here.
I didn't really know the history of the area that much.
At this this point, I've done a ton of research,
talk to a ton of people. This particular area has
a lot of really odd history and some weird connections
to some other spots in the country that are pretty wild.

(05:12):
Point Pleasant being probably one of the biggest ones, and
then the site for the first atomic bomb test as well.
So kept going, kept having stuff happen. Everything really escalated.
My mom and my son visited from I'm originally from Indiana.
They took a trip here and we walked the same

(05:34):
trail and I told them what happened. We had my
mom's dog with us. The dog was acting super weird,
coiling around legs with the leaves, very nervous. They both
started to hear the same exact thing I heard, the
paralleling and the stopping. At this point, we were no lights,
just trying to see if we could get a reaction
or some sort of contact. Sure enough, we just kept

(05:56):
hearing the same thing walking stop. From there, it went
from zero to one hundred really quick. I would say
in less than six months. I was finding pretty crazy
tree structures through ufology. I use a lot of electronics
to read vast amount of signal from every possible thing
I can potentially pull from to try to decipher what's

(06:20):
going on in the area. I started taking a lot
of crazy electronics stuff out that I've built personally, just
getting crazy readings that should not happen there. I eventually
ended up finding a top of a tree, like a
pine tree, stripped of basically just branches and only about

(06:40):
three feet tall. So this pine tree top is shoved
into the ground. Then placed very deliberately on the top
of the pine tree was a deer skull. The deer
skull completely cleaned its white but not bleached white. This
pine tree, it's basically shoved through the lower mandible and

(07:02):
pops out what originally I thought was the eye, but
it's actually the ear canal. So this thing is just
placed right directly on this tree that had been shoved
into the ground. The area. It's open and it's visible
from the parking lot, but no one goes back there.
It's super high grass. Even when they do controlled burns,
they don't burn back that way. I've never seen a

(07:24):
human footprint out there. Pretty good at tracking, pretty good
at telling what's a hoax or not based off of
a lot of research and looking at evidence. So yeah,
found this skull, turned around, looked at the tree line,
and said, Okay, the least path of resistance is going
to be this game trail. And I walked in where

(07:45):
this game trail was, and the first thing I see
is what I've now come to learn as a gliff
potentially not really a tree structure. So it's basically an
X with a crossbar that runs directly through the center.
Then curved sticks are traced around the outside of this X,

(08:06):
and it's just sitting right there next to this tree.
I turn and look to my left, and about fifty
yards away I see another really large tree that had
been pushed over from the root ball. The root ball
is important there because there was a chainsaw cut that
wasn't broken, so I'm assuming at one point this tree

(08:26):
was deadfall. The Forest Service or DNR or whoever came
in and chopped it and hopes that it would fall.
But this thing is pushed out from the root ball,
and it leads into a bunch of dragged in foliage
that looks like a dish. What I've come to learn
is what people consider a nesting area. No real reason

(08:48):
for people to be back in this spot, it's really
hard to get to. Even if you're going through the
game trail. That game trail, you're crawling. Essentially, you're not
really walking upright at all. So found that went on
my first expedition. The weekend after that with Mariann from Missouri.
We had really gnarly interaction in the woods. I do

(09:09):
a lot of stuff that most people probably wouldn't ever
do in the field to try to get a reaction
from whatever's around. I use a lot of stuff that's
sound based, frequency stuff that's lower than our audible level,
or some instrumentation that pushes out one or two frequencies
continuously while it's working. I call this thing the telephone.

(09:34):
I have to say this. The telephone is not electronic.
It's not a ghost box, it's not a Frank's box.
It's nothing that people have guestimated what it could be.
It's a physical instrument that I was taught how to use,
shown how to make correctly. This thing gets almost a
response NonStop at this point. So yeah, when on the
expedition had some crazy stuff happen those first two nights,

(09:57):
that was it. I was okay, well, I'm full in
now we're doing in this NonStop. That was where it started.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Once you had these interactions that you were attributing to Bigfoot,
is that something that drove you on to want to
know more about these creatures? Did you keep going out
looking for them and continue to have experiences with them?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Well? Yeah, NonStop. I'm out a lot. I would seriously
argue that I'm out more than most researchers. Probably my
real job. I basically make outdoor equipment and tennis shoes
for the rock climbing and the hiking, slash trail running industry.
I test all of the stuff that I make outside

(10:38):
and it has to be in the woods. I can't
test trail shoes in the city. With my work, it
basically puts me out into the woods at least three
to six times a week, sometimes every day, being able
to test stuff, but also being able to go wherever
I want. I do two folds, so I'm doing research
while I'm running with trail stuff on, or I'm carrying

(11:01):
packs to try to figure out weight distribution all the
stuff I'm carrying in my packs, or basically it's the
equipment that I use. It's literally been NonStop. I've been
on I think since January. Four expeditions now, two privately
in different states. I go all over Missouri, all over Illinois.
It's been pretty much full blast from this point. All right,

(11:24):
let's talk.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
About some of those experiences that you're having on some
of these expeditions. I know, I talked to mary Anne
briefly and told her I was going to interview you,
and she mentioned that you had some experiences on a
couple of expeditions with her, and obviously you've had other experiences.
Let's talk about some of the experiences that you've had
and what that looked like when you were out looking
for these things.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah. So the first expedition I went on was in Missouri.
I had never done an expedition like this, didn't really
have any clue of what it would be or whatever.
I showed up pretty late that night. I think I
pulled in at nine o'clock, didn't really get to meet everyone.
I met mary Anne and said, hey, this is my background.

(12:03):
I might try some stuff while i'm here. I'll tell
you the Times. Because I didn't want other people to
be like, oh, I heard this and this is what
it was. I knew that if I told her the
Times that I was going to start stuff. If we
were getting responses in that window, we would be able
to go, Okay, yeah this was me. No, that wasn't me.
What was that? Told her that, She says, yeah, that's cool.

(12:25):
I pull into the camp, set up everything. About one
thirty in the morning. I did the telephone thing maybe
for ten minutes, so one thirty to one forty did
this telephone call, waited, didn't really have anything happen. Then
ten minutes later, I'm sitting in my truck bed, I'm
on my cot I hear this what sounds like two cats,

(12:49):
like really loud cats, huge cats fighting. But it's five
feet away from where my truck is. So there's another
guy that's just across the road for me, not very
far literally, maybe twenty yards. He pops up with his
flashflight and he's got thermal and I get out and
I'm like, are you hearing this? And he's yeah, where's

(13:11):
it at. We're both looking directly where the sound is
coming from. The sound is coming from the middle of
the road that's right next to my truck, so less
than fifteen feet away, and we can't see anything whatsoever.
If there's no pats. We're scanning the entire area. He's
got his goggle, he's looking around if there's no heat signature.

(13:31):
It literally sounds like two Bobcats on level eleven as
loud as possible. There's nothing there at all, absolutely nothing.
So I'm like, okay, I don't really know. I'm just
gonna hang out and see what happens. Like two or
three minutes later, the sound completely stops, and it's an
abrupt stop. It wasn't like they walked away from each other.

(13:53):
It was crazy sound to no sound whatsoever. We're both
looking at each other, have no clue what's going on.
I'm like, all right, I'm going to climb back into
the cot. About twenty minutes later, I start hearing I'm
parked right next to where all the food is and
the trailer, which is probably the worst spot I could
have parked. I start hearing what sounds like the hinges

(14:14):
of a cooler being very slowly opened. That door creek.
The aren't the hinge creek right? So I look out again.
I have red lamps, so I turn the red lamps on.
There's no eyeshine, there's nothing around. I'm doing the three
sixty at this point, so it stops and I'm like, whatever, okay,

(14:37):
let's just go back lay back down. As soon as
I hit the cot, the same thing. The creek starts.
So I pop out again and I'm like, what's going on?
There's nothing around here, There's no one there. No one's
playing tricks on me with fishing line. Is something tied
up to the top and they're pulling the fishing line
to open the cooler. At this point, I have no

(14:59):
clue what's going on. This is way weirder than most
of the stuff on the first night that I've experienced.
So go back to the cot and then the next
thing I know, and.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
The hinges on the door of the trailer. So they
have a trailer that they bring their entire kitchen set
up in. So I hear the latch open. I hear
the latch swing, like the very quiet swing, and then
I hear this door the same thing. It sounds like
something's pulling the door as slow as possible so it

(15:39):
doesn't alert anything. I pop out of the tent and
there's nothing there. The door is just like in the
breeze and this thing was locked. I physically watched them
walk the trailer up before everybody else went to bed.
So that happens. I'm like, I'm fine, I'm getting back
in the cot. The door shuts. Don't hear anything else.

(16:00):
There's something going on around here. So I started hearing
stuff in the woods. So I popped out and I
had my phone and I started taking video and photographs
super low resolution. Everything's bumped up to where I'm getting
like a long exposure in the nighttime. I film directly
across the road for me, on adjacent property that we

(16:20):
don't have access to. I filmed two eyes maybe I
would say five inches. The part go from a sitting
position to standing back down to a sitting and then
it walks off to my right. So it walked off
to its left. Didn't think anything of it, just thought, oh, cool,

(16:43):
there's a deer or maybe there's an elk or a
horse or something in the area. Upon further looking at
that video a little closer, which I didn't notice it.
I had sent this video to Mary Ann and she
had a couple people that reviewed it and saw later on.
I just found this out like a week and a

(17:03):
half ago. I had no clue, and this is maybe
six months ago this video was taken. There's a figure
off to the back, to the right of the eyes.
It's eight feet tall. There's no eyeshine, but you can
see this black figure sit up and then drop down
when the eye shine walks off to my right. So
that's the first night. So basically, from let's call it

(17:24):
one fifty in the morning till about five am, it
was just non stop. I didn't know the history of
the area. It's a BFROO expedition, so I had no
clue where we were going. This is the first night,
so everybody wakes up. I wake up way late because
I'm going to bed at five am, and I go
and talk to Mary Anne and I'm like, hey, look,
we have this happen. She'd send me the photo. She's well,

(17:46):
see if anybody had recorders. The guy who had heard
the two we'll call him Katz fighting, he also had
talked to Mary and we were right there and there's
nothing around. We were doing a full three sixty trying
to figure out where this sound could be coming from.
She's talking to everybody. Apparently there had been two footprints
potentially found at the edge of the camp and then

(18:09):
maybe some audio recordings that I still haven't heard. So yeah,
that was the first night. At that point, everybody knows, Yeah,
this weird UFO guys here. We might have some stuff happen.
Everybody always asks me questions because the UFO world and
the Bigfoot world don't really mix, which is super weird
to me. I just want to state that it's very weird.

(18:30):
So they're asking me questions. I learned that we're going
to go back out the second night. I talked to Marianne.
I'm like, hey, what are we doing tonight? I want
you to go with me. We're going to go down
by the river on this boat dock just let in
the ramp or whatever. There's going to be a group
that sits by a fire. They're just going to listen.

(18:51):
Then another group is going to go off and they're
going to track. So there's four guys in this group.
One of them he's an active duty police officer, super credible,
really killer tracker. From what I understand, I had never
met anybody at the expedition before this point, so I'm
learning all this stuff as I'm right there. So him

(19:12):
and the other three they go off Maryann and I
are sitting on the dock. I wear shooting muffs that
are tweaked a little bit electronically in the woods at
all times, just so I can kill the ambient noise,
but hear what's going on around. It's really good in
our area because there's a lot of traffic from the

(19:32):
highways and the roads are super loud, so it kills
all that. We're wearing the headphones. And she's like, why
don't you go do the telephone thing that you did
the night before. I'm like, okay, yeah, that works. I
walk away from the group. We check our watches to
see what time it is. Take note. So I walk off.
I make this in quotations telephone call. I see almost

(19:55):
immediately two sets of eyes maybe one hundred yards of
way from me that kind of do the peak out
of the tree and then they come back, but they're
separated by a good three or four feet. It almost
looked like there was something standing up and then crouch
down next to the tree in front of it with
something else, maybe a juvenile. I still have no clue.

(20:17):
It's not yellow and it's not green, but it's that
in between weird eerodestin green yellow. I'm watching them blink
and the eyes are probably six inches apart, so very
white spacing, way bigger than most things. So do the
telephone call. This thing takes a lot from me physically.

(20:37):
It's really hard to do and pulls energy in a
weird way. I start hearing movement through the woods and
I thought I heard a very faint, low growl off
to my right. I'm like, hey, Marianne, can you come
help me. I can't do the headphones plus the telephone call.
Her and hour wonderful cook for the expedition. They're like, yeah,

(21:00):
we'll go with you. So I hand Marianne the headphone.
She puts the headphones on. I walk away do this
other telephone call, and I hear whoa from her and
immediately turn around. She pulls off the headphones and she says,
right after that stopped, I heard a voice, a very
low voice, clear as day audible, say boom, not like bom,

(21:25):
but a long, stretched out boom. And she said it
sounded like a human's voice, but with super deep I'm like, okay,
this is good, this is what we're looking for. As
I turn around, the group that's tracking is walking back
down the road towards us. They had come back from
their portion of that evening. We start hearing what sounds

(21:46):
like a freight train barreling through the woods at us
as fast as possible and crashing. So it's the police officer,
it's the guy that heard the weird cat argument with
me the night before, and then it's two other gentlemen
who have had multiple visual sightings, and our pretty serious
long term researchers. So we're all finally standing together. We're

(22:10):
watching the woodline because this thing is coming at us
through the brush and it stops I would say five
feet from the edge of the tree line. It's impossible
for me to explain how loud the sound was of
it moving through the woods, so we start tearing off
to our left that there's two other things running away

(22:30):
from it or moving through the woods. Those turned out
to be Armadillo's but whatever was making the extremely loud
sound is just past the tree line and no one
can see it. We hit with white light, red light,
green light. I think there was a flear and a
thermal that was unable to pick up anything. At this point,

(22:52):
there's six of us standing there hearing this thing move
back and forth, through the brush and it sounds absolutely huge.
Like I said, I can't explain how big and how
loud the sound was. It got to the point where
we didn't know what to do and we just all
started to back off. It was very nerve wracking. I
will say that it's probably one of the only times

(23:14):
I've been in the wilderness where if this is a bear,
it's gonna come out and get us. The way that
it was moving through the woods, it sounded like it
was bipedal. I didn't know it at the time, but
when the tracking group was coming down the road, they
had two growls maybe two hundred yards away from where

(23:34):
I was making this phone call that they heard clear
as day. This is all within forty minutes. As soon
as the activity started, it was like, damn all this
stuff's going on. I didn't know it when we drove in,
but apparently there were two or three branches that were
at the eight foot mark that had the twist, so

(23:55):
they're physically being cranked by something with a thumb and
a wrist. The police officer he stopped everybody as we
were driving out of that location, pointed it out and
you could see it clear as day. Something took the
branches and twisted those branches to where the fibers in
the wood. It looked like a spiral. It was one
of the craziest things I've seen as far as physical

(24:18):
evidence or trace goes. At this point, I've seen a
ton of physical evidence and trace evidence from the UFO
realm and the Cryptid realm in general. So we pull
out of that area just dumbfounded, like no clue what's
in the woods. No one's brave enough to walk in.
I will say that maybe let's go check this other spot.
And this is where my main research area intertwined with

(24:42):
all of the Bigfoot stuff on this expedition. Marian takes
us to another location. It's another lead in. I don't
know if it's a river, it's a creek, but there's
basically an oval shaped parking lot and these two boat
let ends. We go. I do the telephone call thing again.
We peer a little bit of the samurai chatter in quotations.

(25:05):
I don't know if that's exactly what it was, but
it definitely sounded like low end garbled speech, but it
was way way off. It was at the point where
my headphones couldn't really pick it. Up enough to where
I was straining to hear it, if that makes sense.
It's audible, but it's not clear enough for me to
decipher what it actually was. We have really no activity there,

(25:26):
We don't really hear anything. Then someone notices behind us,
is this light that's in the middle of the field.
Just to paint the picture of this field is probably
three hundred yards long by one hundred and fifty wide.
There's a road that comes down on the left hand

(25:46):
side of the field that we drove in to get
into the lead in area. If you drive out and
back up that road, you take a right hand turn
at the top of the hill that heads towards our camp.
Someone notices this light, and this light is i would say,
one hundred and twenty feet off the ground, and it's
moving in a way that looks like maybe a stationary

(26:08):
light with trees in front of it that are causing
the optical illusion of it moving around. I'm looking at it.
I'm going that light is not on a hill. That
light is in the middle of this field, above the
tree line. It's not a light on a pull. So
everybody else starts looking at it. I'm like, we should
point a laser at this thing. They're like, why should

(26:31):
we point a laser. I'm like, there's interaction that happens
potentially with lasers and UAPs or unidentified craft. This is
used in everything from C five contact to the government
in quotations blasting a three mile long laser up into
the sky to see if they can have interaction for testing.

(26:51):
So we start hitting this light with a flashlight at first,
and it's reacting. So it's going from bright and I
would say maybe the size of a softball to dark
and shrinking down till the size of a ping pong ball,
and then going back out again. It's doing this weird

(27:11):
in and out movement. It's getting brighter and darker. It's
also moving up and down, but left to right in
non ninety degree angle, so it's bouncing like you hear
the ORB bouncing through the woods. I wouldn't consider this
an ORB. Orbs are intelligent to an extent, and they
react to certain things. In my professional opinion, this is

(27:33):
not an ORB. So we're watching this light and it's
moving around, and it's getting brighter and it's getting darker,
and it's growing in size and it's shrinking back down
and there's seventeen people watching this thing for two hours.
At this point. We had hit it with a spotlight
on a truck. We had hit it with a laser.
I had a piece of electronic equipment that I used

(27:54):
that's tweaked to read a certain signal that's pertin it
to spaceship traveler communication. It's hard to explain, but you
can research it and figure it out pretty easily. It's
in the low gigahertz realm. That's where the people that know,
they'll know the piece of electronic equipment is behaving extremely erratically,

(28:16):
to the point where I tossed it on the ground
to just completely try to isolate it from myself, and
it's still doing the same thing. It basically scans at
a really wide array of signals, and when it stops,
that's when there's something around that's bumping out that particular gigahertz.
So Marian says, let's go try to find this light.

(28:37):
She takes the police officer. His name's Robbie he Her
and I can't remember who all went. They go look
for this light. So everybody's standing there. They drive off,
they go. We can see him go up the hill.
We can see him driving around until they start to
disappear behind the foliage. We're just standing there watching this
weird light in the middle of a field behave extremely erratically,

(29:00):
but also interact with what we're blasting at it. So
we had taken a green laser. We pointed a laser
at it. It reacted to that. I'm like, we should
go out there and see what this thing is. The
only way you're going to know is if you can
get as close to it as possible. We don't have
a helicopter or one hundred and twenty foot ladder, so
the best thing to do is walk towards it in

(29:20):
the field. Everybody's no, don't do that. I'm like, we'll
be fine. If it was going to get us, who
would already have got us. There's nothing to be scared
of at this point. There's another gentleman from the same
area I live in. His name's Lou and this is
one of my favorite things that anybody has ever said
to me in any type of research. Hey, curious mind's
got to know what this thing is. We need to

(29:40):
walk towards it. The minute he said that, I was like,
that's it. We're going. So him and I walked straight
towards this thing through the field. The brush is like
head height at this point, and we get within I
would say, twenty yards of this thing, and we're blocked
by a property fence. We didn't cross because it wasn't
on public lanfe and I'm not trying to potentially get

(30:02):
shot by a hunter who maybe has a game camera
or anything out here.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're
right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So we look up. We see this light. It's right
above the tree line that's not very far in front
of us. Same thing. We're hitting with a flashlight and
a laser, and it's reacting and it's just sitting there,
but it's moving around and it's changing brightness and darkness.
It got to the point where I was like, we
can't really do anything else. We know it's there, there's

(30:36):
no real way to explain it, so let's walk back.
We walk back towards everybody. Five minutes later, here comes
Marianne and the group. Robbie the police officers on the phone.
I could hear him. I have no clue how to
explain what's going on. We're seeing this light. I don't
know exactly who he's talking to. We're seeing this light
and there's no source. So they drove all the way

(30:58):
up on the ridge line. They drove as close to
the light as they could. There was a house that
they drove up to, there's no poll with the light
on it. Then there's another building that has a radio tower,
and they drove directly where they took the road into
the radio tower and back out, and then the two buildings.
No source of the light in either of those locations.

(31:20):
At this point, it's two and a half hours of
us just staring at those things. So everybody goes it's okay,
it's there. We don't know what it is. Let's go back.
The look on Robbie's face was priceless to me because
I can tell that he's completely stumped. A guy like that,
he's pretty credible, he knows a lot. Isn't gonna really bullshit.

(31:42):
He's a police officer, He's not going to make it up.
For some reason, I have no clue what's going on.
I've never seen anything like this whatsoever. I was like, yeah,
it's mildly crazy for me. I see stuff like this
all the time. But it was very odd that it
was in the same area of where we were doing research,
and that was the point where I was like, Okay,

(32:02):
this whole idea of these things being separated is pretty
ridiculous at this point. So we basically went back to
the camp and as soon as we get to the camp,
I get smoked with absolute terror, the worst fear that
I've ever had in my entire life. And it's really
hard to scare me. I got hit by a car.

(32:24):
I was a bicycle messenger for ten years, got smoked
by a car, broke my leg, was in the hospital,
totally fine, not scared. Was just like whatever, it's part
of it. And never have I ever been as scared
as I was at this moment. I'm basically laying in
my cot just silently freaking out because it feels like

(32:45):
there's something just beyond the edge of darkness that's going
to reach out and grab me, steal me, and take
me away, and no one's ever gonna see me again.
I've never had that happen in my entire life. Through
you research, I've been to spots where the normal mind
is this is the devil. We're about to get possessed.

(33:06):
I need to run away that level of just sheer terror,
and it lasts the entire night. So I go from
cool singing this light to getting back to the camp
where we're not supposed to have a ton of activity.
I think I went to bed at seven am the
next morning and woke up at eleven. It was so
bad that I took a super bright like three thousand

(33:28):
lumin white white and just popped it on my truck
bed and left it on the entire night, facing away
from the rest of the campground, because I felt like
from where that light was pointed is wherever this whatever
unseen scary entity is gonna come from. Absolutely terrified at
that point. The first expedition, it's oh, if this is

(33:49):
how it is, this is wild. This is way crazier
than what I thought it would be. So yeah, that
was the first expedition I went on. Marianne's liked, we
never had stuff like this happen.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
We have.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
I have seen lights, They've had stuff that they can't
really explain, but this is a different level. I was like,
some of this stuff is pretty normal for me at
this point. That telephone is a key piece of equipment
that I use, but it carries with it a lot
of responsibility. That's part of the reason I'm like super
vague on it. I won't tell people what it is
unless I meet you in person. I can show you

(34:22):
using it is not a everyday thing that anyone and
their brother or sister can use. It blasts out something
that can bring the really not great to you. If
you don't know how to use it properly. I don't
know if you have questions. That was the first expedition
I went on.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I wanted to circle back to the quote unquote telephone
that you're talking about, but you answered that already. I
totally understand you. Not wanted to get deep in the
weeds on that. Hopefully I'll get to meet you at
some point in time and we can go a little
further into that. But I did want to go back
to some of the electronics that you do use that
maybe you can talk. You talked about in the very
beginning some of the crazy readings that you've had while

(35:04):
you're out there. Can you talk a little bit about
what those readings were and what they meant to you
in relation to the possibility of having some bigfoot activity.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, all the electronics stuff. I want to say
this at the beginning. It's readily available to everyone in
the world, essentially, that is in the bigfoot world or
paranormal research world. I'm actually in the middle of writing
a field guide to practical Bigfoot research that has all
of these electronics that I use listed, plus where you

(35:34):
can get them from, and the dumbest, easiest, straightforward how
to use it, how to interpret the readings, and how
to save and share the data. I noticed that in
the bigfoot world there's a lot of electronics that are used,
and they're used incorrectly because people are really untrained in

(35:57):
using the stuff that they've purchased. If someone says by
a parabolic microphone, so they go and they spend eighty
to two thousand dollars on a parabolic microphone, but they're
getting readings or sounds that sound like footsteps, and they're
not realizing that if you're relaxed enough and squeezing at
handle enough, your heart rate not every beat, but intermittently

(36:20):
beat through your hand into that parabolic microphone. It's the
same reason that boom mic operators in the movies and
TV shows hold the boom mic above their heads. I
have to say that I wanted to put that out there.
I'm basically making this short book that tells people how
to use stuff effectively. With that being said, the first
thing that's really important to me is a spectrum antilizer.

(36:44):
A spectrum mantilizer basically it can read a bunch of
different stuff dependent on how it's tuned. I use mine
to read high and low frequencies. I use two intennas
that pick up their like one hundred mile intennas. They're
absolutely massive in the field. I shrink down the I
think it's a twenty mile antenna. But the spectrum antilizer

(37:06):
is sensitive enough to read basically vibration from the earth.
So if there's a frequency that resonates from the earth
because of tectonic plates or machinery or drilling or whatever,
this will pick it up on a minute scale and
you can see it. The whole reason I started using
the spectrum antilizer, though, was I was trying to figure

(37:28):
out a way to read or potentially get an idea
if we were getting kit by infrasound. So that second night,
when I felt this absolute terror, my brain went to, Okay,
how do I measure this? How do I know exactly
what's going on to an extent. The exactly there is
not exact, but it's as close as I can get.

(37:50):
How am I physically able to look at a screen
and go, Okay, I'm scared because I'm getting bombarded with
this frequency right now. It's tweaked a little bit, but
it basically reads from the baseline of sub gigahertz sound
or frequency all the way up to Technically, if I
really needed to, I could pick up on satellite gigahertz

(38:12):
transfers if I wanted to. It's directional too, so dependent
on the antennas. If you point it to the left
and there's something going on to the left, and you
turn right and there's no frequency, there's no sound, you're
not seeing a spike, it's a pretty good indicator that
whatever is affecting you in that area is to the left.

(38:33):
I was just in the LBL and we used it.
Some of the stuff that we had happened versus what
the data showed on the spectrum antalyzer was pretty convincing
at this point that it's able to pick up on
some things that we're not able to see here, taste,
or smell. So that's the first one. The second one

(38:53):
is a highly tuned Ham radio just to try to
pick up any other weird stuff that's potentially broadcasting around
us that could be affecting us. My research area. We
get a lot of weird readings because there's uranium. The
spot was for uranium manufacturing, so there's leftover stuff that
comes from that. But this radio. I basically got this

(39:17):
radio and tweaked this radio to where the same thing.
It's semi directional. It only picks up on certain frequencies.
One of the things that's really cool though, we started
to notice that when you're having activities, so you're starting
to hear maybe the parallel in the woods, or you're
starting to hear jaw plaques or tree branches breaking, anything

(39:38):
that's potentially not of the natural world. In quotations, this
radio starts to buzz very oddly. I took the concept
from a super famous ufologist that had built a similar
instrument and had used it in that realm with pretty
substantial success. It's been a lot of trial and error,

(39:59):
but it does pick up on stuff. When stuff starts
to get weird, is what we'll call it. So that's
the second thing. The third thing, the shooting muffs. I
tweak mine to here lower than what they're originally designed for.
You hear pretty far. I'm assuming with your background you've
probably had shooting muffs on before. These things in the woods.

(40:21):
You put them on and you walk down the trail
and you start to notice that if you're hearing bugs
that are stopping chirping on your right hand side because
there's some sort of predator or a larger entity in
that area. It's also a pretty good indicator Okay, there's
probably something off to the right. Yeah. So those are
like the three main things I use. I have two

(40:44):
other things that I've developed that I'm currently just testing
at this point. So in my research area, I have
a series of seismic sensors. I just want to say,
this is not my idea. It's been used forever the military.
Apple cations for it have been around for a long time.
So my stuff basically, let's just say a set of

(41:05):
ten sensors that are stretched out. They go back to
a main control box. That control box has a cell
signal that then sends me info when those sensors are
triggered via the calibrated weight and or sized or step
pattern of basically the brain inside these seismic sensors are

(41:29):
calibrated only to pick up weight wise between five hundred
pounds and fifteen hundred pounds. They're also only calibrated to
pick up anything that's walking on two feet. Immediately, the
weight kill the human aspect of it, but then the
third portion is the distance between each footstep. So if

(41:53):
for some reason, there's a five hundred pounds hiker that's
taking a step, the sensor will trip, but if that
step is under six feet to the next step, it
won't read the signal again. So these sensors basically just
pick up what we would consider bigfoot walking through the
woods at fifth point, and since it's bounced out back

(42:15):
to me directly via my computer or my phone, I
can see pretty regularly when there's something potentially moving through
the area. Each one of those sensors it goes. The
radius is maybe twenty yards for each of them. That's
going to get bumped up more. It's just more sensors.
It's really expensive to do this, so that's the third thing.

(42:38):
I can lay in bed at night, I'll look at
my phone and get a notification ping, there's a step, Oh,
there's another step, or I can go back and pull
the card and look at all the data for the
month and kind of figure out, Okay, here's the potential pattern.
So that's like the first like really high tech thing.
The last thing is it's a game camera, but not

(43:01):
a game camera like you would think a game camera
would be. I gotta be careful because I don't want
people to take the idea, so I'll give you the
shorthand explanation of it. It's a buried camera. There's sensors
that are separated from the actual optic, and the camera
optic is separated from all the electronics by a pretty

(43:24):
substantial amount of feet. What's very cool is you have
this control box that has all your brains and then
two cables that run however far to an optic and
a sensor, and if that sensor's tripped, it doesn't alert
via the typical ar ring of hey, here's where the

(43:46):
camera is to whatever's around. I kept hearing bigfoot can
cir sasquatch can seir, they smell the batteries, whatever, So
I started trying to figure out a way to isolate
everything that could possibly give them heads up that there's
a camera in the area. I went back and did
a bunch of research on other things that could potentially

(44:08):
let any type of living animal or anything from not
our plane or world, what would potentially trigger that. And
I found a lot of times, like game cameras in
areas with a large bear population, the bear smelled the
alkaline in the batteries. I said, Okay, cool, that's a trigger.
I'll separate that, we'll put it somewhere where they can't

(44:29):
smell it. So, yeah, it's a little weird and it's
not really something that I've noticed a lot in bigfoot research.
But my goal is I'm going to use as much
electronic stuff as I can that's really hard to debunk,
really hard to hoax, and just put it out there
when it's all set and ready for people to be like, Okay, yeah,

(44:49):
I'll buy one or I'll build one. That's the whole goal.
The data is promising from everything. The lowest tech portion
is the headphones thing. I've told a bunch of people
at this point about these headphones and they're like, man,
I don't know why I didn't think of this before.
I'm probably not the first person to do it. I
will say that on almost everything, we got to do

(45:09):
something different than what we've been doing for the past
sixty two one hundred years as far as it comes
to trying to figure out what, where, when, or who
Bigfoot is or are or were.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see we're right back.
After these messages.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I noticed very quickly that everybody does the same thing
over and over expecting the same results across the world.
I don't know if people realize this, but somebody once
said that doing the same thing over and over again
and expecting a different outcome is essentially crazy. I didn't
want to go on the crazy part, and I just

(45:51):
tried to think logically and scientifically how I could prove
or help prove that there is some sort of phenomenon
we're able to read or pick up a signal from
or measure via sensors.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I don't know if that answered the question. Sorry, Yeah,
it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I appreciate you going into the tech because I think
that is something that not a lot of people employ.
I certainly go very minimalistically into the woods on a
daily basis here on our forty acres in North Carolina,
and when I go out to areas like we're going
to be out in Missouri. I'm going to speak at the.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
The Those Dark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, right.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I'll be out there
at the camp out as well. I go very minimalistic
for me. The most high tech thing I take into
the woods is probably the audio recorders that I usually
have with me everywhere I go, but the rest of
it is very low tech. I'm glad that there are
people like you out there doing the more high tech
stuff because I think that is really fascinating. I think

(46:46):
it's awesome that you're using something that, very much like
you said, is very difficult to debunk. Because we've all
seen the paranormal shows. We've all seen some of the
UFO shows. I've seen some of the tech that these
folks are using a lot of times. In my opinion,
the data that they're getting or the results that they're
getting are very subjective. It is a red flag for

(47:07):
me when it comes to this, because if it's ambiguous
data that you're getting, you're only as good as the
data that you're putting into whatever you're trying to get in.
It's like the garbage in garbage out right. It's very
important to have the kind of technology that you're talking
about that is very difficult to debunk. Before we go
back into the tech thing. Now that we've covered that,

(47:27):
let's talk a little bit about I know you've been
on another expedition. Was that the end of your experiences
with these things?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
No, Like I said, I think I've been on four
or five at this point, two that were separate alone.
The second one was in I think Oklahoma. Sorry, I'm
geographically stupid. I have to think about where I've been
and where we went and all this stuff. I can't
picture it. And I can tell you how far I drove,
but I can't tell you what state or which direction.

(47:55):
It's like the world's worst curse for me. I went
on another one. It was on Native land. This was
a BFRO expedition. Everything I tried, I got no response whatsoever. So,
like the telephone thing, super weird not having a response
with that. At this point, when I use that thing,
it's over sixty percent that we get a substantial, verifiable

(48:19):
and usually recorded response. If I don't get a response.
And this is a guest, and this is based off
of some theories that I have that are really hard
to explain, the long drawn out things. The easiest way
to explain it is a spiritually something in the land
is blocking me from using that to try to communicate

(48:40):
with whatever's out there. So that's one realm. The other
realm is there's something not of this world or I
don't like the term paranormal. It's hard for me to
use that. I consider myself a paraufologist, but not because
of the paranormal realm. There's something entoity that's blocking me

(49:01):
from blasting out this whatever it is from the telephone.
When on that expedition, didn't really have anything crazy that
happened there for me, as far as the stuff that
I put out, I did notice, and I didn't know
this at the time, the area that we were in
is an extremely crazy historical hot spot. The way it

(49:24):
was told to me that if you drop a pin
where we were, and you go fifty miles within that radius,
you'll talk to a ton of people and they all
have had experiences in this area. Maybe I would say
a thousand feet away from where I was camping, was
a lady that has lived in this same little a
frame cabin for sixty years or something. She has regular

(49:49):
contact and interactions with Bigfoot almost on a weekly basis.
Before I arrived, someone had seen one, maybe through thermal
or flear right by her area looking at our camp.
I didn't know this at the time. This was all
told to me at the end of the expedition, and
I'm like, oh, okay, crazy, this makes sense. But there

(50:11):
was one thing that did stand out a lot to me.
We were out in the woods this ridge line that
drops pretty severely, really steep ridgeline into this shallow It's
not a river, it's just like a creek that runs
through that's not really wet all the time. It's a
creek bed. And I found out later on that this

(50:32):
creek bed is basically a highway for whatever is in
the area to travel in and out. So right at
the bottom of the hill, if you drive over this
creek and you look to your left, there's this house.
It literally looked like whoever lived there they left in

(50:53):
a hurry. They left all their stuff. There were toys
in the yard. The inside of the house is completely
trashed now now because of nature, but you can tell
these people left in a hurry. Base get that old hard.
So we were out in this area, I looked ridiculous
compared to both people on these expeditions and probably to
the general public. I have a full kit that I

(51:15):
wear that has a ton of intennas popping up. I
know for a fact when people see me on the
trails or walking around anywhere with this stuff on, they're
either like, that guy is in the military or he's
an idiot that's like a ham radio dude. But it's
basically just a weird hiker with a ton of intennas
and a full chest rig and everything. So I'm walking

(51:37):
around this house and I'm starting to get the TBGB
creepy feeling, which for me is not really that substantial.
But I'm starting to notice that spectrum analyzer is really
peaking very low on that spectrum. So ride around one
point six to one point nine gigahertz. This thing measures

(51:59):
basically from zero zero zero to nine nine nine point
nine nine nine as far as it needs to go,
and it measures low and high or a combination of
the two. So I'm getting this feeling and I'm watching
this thing spike. The next thing I know, I'm just
in this world of terror again, like absolutely scared. I
turned around and I'm talking to Marianne, and I'm like, hey,

(52:22):
I feel really bad right now. She's what's going on.
I don't know. There's something in the area that's peaking
the analyzer. It's paggued at this one point area, which
is substantial. Then everybody starts coming around. We're starting to
hear a little bit of stuff in the woods, but
no one else is really picking up on anything. At
one point, I had turned and was just like burning

(52:45):
the tree line eye wise, like trying to see if
I could spot something, and I got the parodolia round
circle blob squatch. It was two leaves and then a
tree behind it that had what looked like a mouth
that was opened. I freaked out and with like, holy crap,
there was a bigfoot right there. It wasn't. It was
a tree in the leaves, but I'm still getting this

(53:06):
terrible feeling. Maybe that's the explanation, that's what's scaring me.
I'm looking at the spectrum analyzer and it's just pegged
as high as it could read for people listening, that
probably doesn't explain a lot, and it's really hard to
explain what a spectrum analyizer does if you're not really
tech savvy. But for a signal to be broadcasted that

(53:27):
high on something that's directional, handheld, and not directly grounded
or connected to the Earth, it should not happen. That
frequency happens a lot at a really famous spot that
has a lot of really odd stuff, Skinwalker Ranch, they
see that same signal pretty frequently. People say it comes

(53:49):
from satellites or radio communication. From what I'm telling it's
not always that it does happen, but it should not
happen in this area. We were so far in the sticks,
no one had say I was experiencing battery drain pretty
regularly between the headphones, the spectrum analyzer, and some other
stuff that I was using. I did have something that

(54:09):
happened on the way down, though It's happened three times
now and it's really confusing to me. I was like
twenty minutes away from the area. Mary Anne sent me
the location of where everyone was camping. So I get
the location, I plug it into my twenty twenty three
four truck. Next thing I know, the tachometer, that the

(54:31):
heads up display, gas gauge, everything, all the electronics in
the center contole. Everything goes completely dark and I'm driving
down the highway at this point, I knew I was
gonna be okay, because it's happened before. I drive two
or three miles and it pops back on. I'm like, okay,
we'll just note that. I take a note of that.
Then I start looking at the location that I'm going to.

(54:55):
It takes me like twenty miles away on the other
side the lake that we were on. And I called
her and I'm like, hey, where are you guys. I'm
at a fence that says no entry at the location
you sent me. She's like, you're way far away from us.
I'll send the location again. So she sends the same
exact location to me. I pop it in the second time,

(55:18):
and it takes me directly a straight line through the
lake back to the other side of the campground. When
I got there, I told her that happened. She's I
gave the same location to a ton of people. There
were like fifty people at this thing. No one else
had an issue. Just chalk it up to me having
weird shit happen all the time. That was pretty much

(55:39):
hit for that expedition. I was in the lbl Over
labor day totally terrified that I was potentially going to
have the dog man experience. That's the only thing that
scares me in the world of creepy. I've pulled into
the LBLS. I don't feel anything. I totally feel fine.
I have that weird intuition that's yeah, I might get

(56:00):
some activity here or something. Nothing. The first night, went out,
made a phone call, no response whatsoever. Took note of it.
Thought it was potentially because of how thick the foliage was.
We were up on a ridge line, so this telephone
call should have traveled far because if you're up high,
it resonates, and it resonates way out. Marianne will tell

(56:22):
you that it feels like it changes the whole entire
atmosphere of this area. So did the telephone call the
first night. Nothing. Did some other stuff. At one point
she was sitting on the back of the truck bed.
I walked back to the truck and she said, at
some point it looked like you were floating like six
or seven feet off the ground. I'm like, oh, that's weird.

(56:43):
That has to do potentially with some other stuff that
I do in the UFO realm, which is the really
weird that we can get into if there's time, just
took note of that and was like, oh yeah, we're fine.
Drove back to the cant no issues whatsoever. The second day,
we get taken to a spot by a gentleman named Eli,
who's there a lot. This guy has the sickest truck,

(57:04):
all the electronic cool stuff that you can imagine. This
thing has a camera that has two cameras that see
close quarters wide, wins really cool setups. He's there all
the time. I'm gonna take you guys to the spot.
I need to say as I'm walking out to get
in the truck with everybody, this never happens on an exhibition.
I've never had this happen. He goes, do you have

(57:25):
a firearm? I said, yeah, I have two. He said,
what's the biggest one rifle? You should probably grab that.
So to me, that was like an immediate red flag.
I'm like, okay, hopefully it's not like that. I didn't
feel anything for the first fifteen to twenty minutes in
the truck. So we drove out to a spot, did
a telephone call, nothing whatsoever. We drove to another spot

(57:48):
that is a loading for the lake. There's another police officer, Eli,
another lady Marianne and her husband and myself. I think
the POLAF officer's name is David. Were standing on this boat. Doc,
I'm gonna do the telephone call because it should reach
really far out here. As we're all standing there watching,
we notice that there's no sound. This is a massive

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lake that's land between the lakes, huge wake. We can't
hear anything. All we're hearing is bug chatterer behind us.
David has flear or thermal and he spots a deer
across the lake that's just drinking water and chilling. No
big deal. We see this boat and we can't even
hear the sound of the boat, the wake hitting the

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bottom of the boat. And this is like eleven o'clock.
There's no other boats out there. There's no sound whatsoever.
You would think that you could hear one boat's engine
and the wake hitting the bottom of the craft as
it's traveling through the water, and it literally sounds like
we're in a silent soundproof bubble and there's no sound.

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Eli's really perplexed because he's never had this happen. He's
heard paddle borders on their stand up inflatable surfboard paddling
through the water clear as day, hearing the sound of
the paddle hitting the water. I can't explain it. I
do the telephone call, no response whatsoever. The deer across

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the lake drinking water, doesn't even hear this thing. There's
no way physically it should have been able to hear it. Historically,
it would have spooked it and it would have ran off.
There's no sound whatsoever. I don't know what's going on.
I thought maybe there was some Native American portion of
LBL that we were on that potentially protects the land

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through ceremony, which is a pretty large effector of the telephone,
and one of the reasons that I think, if it
doesn't work, that's why, so do the telephone nothing. Let's
go to another spot. So I'm in the truck. We drive.
It's probably twenty minutes, and I had the headphones on
because every time I go with a group, as soon

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as I get in the car, I roll down the window,
turn the headphones on to try to listen for the ambient
movement as we're driving. Because you're not hauling through the
gravel roads, I'm not really hearing anything. If the truck
pulls over and we get out, I walk the exact
opposite way of the entire group to isolate for any
potential thermal ring or noise, cell phone noise, or radio chatter.

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And I always listen to try to hear if something's
moving as soon as everybody's out of the car, because
usually you'll pick up either a low tier call or
a low wood knock or a whistle signal, oh hey,
there's a group here. Everybody walks out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
So if I walk away, it's usually easier for me
to pick that up than anyone else in the group.
But as we're driving down the gravel road, clear as day,
I hear what sounds like a brass bell ding like
the bean it resonates. It was so clear that it
sounded like it was just outside of the truck to

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my left, and I'd pull the headphones off and I'm like,
did anyone hear that? And David's yeah, I heard it.
Marianne and her husband didn't hear it. They had their
windows up. I was like, what is that. There's nothing
on the car that should make that noise. We even
checked as we pulled over. We looked under to see
if there was maybe something hanging down that a rock
could have smoked and made that d The weird part

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was it didn't resonate enough to where it followed us,
but it was almost like a signal bee, there's two
trucks coming this way. Be aware. We keep driving and
at this point my weird sensors are starting to go off.
I thought LBL was nothing. I shot myself in the
foot for that, because this place is not as scary

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as people say it is. I hear the ding and
everything changes. Absolutely just bombarded with terrified feeling. I'm looking
at the spectrum antalyzer. It's bouncing super high in the realm,
in the signal of like me being scared. Oh yeah,
there's something affecting you physically. At this point we get
out of the cars, I'm like, did you guys hear
the bell? Eli and his passenger were like, yeah, we

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heard it clear as day as we drove. Your car passed,
we heard it. That makes no sense whatsoever. If it
was something that hit the bottom of the car, there's
no way it was loud enough to where they should
have been able to hear it. But they heard it
behind them. So at that point I'm like, Okay, this
is bad. We're in it now. Mariann goes, don't wander off.

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I have a pretty bad problem of listening of stuff
or reading signals and just walking off towards stuff to
try to figure out what it is. Her saying that, Okay,
this guy told me to bring my rifle. I'm hearing
this bell that's not there in the woods. There's no
human around us at this point. It's twelve o'clock at night.
The lady that I listened to probably more than anyone,

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she's red flagging. He'd be careful, don't wander off. We're
basically on this dead end road with a cemetery to
our right. We had backed in so we could drive
out very quickly if we needed to. Eli starts telling
us that they've had experiences in this area where they'll
hear something that sounds like it's jumping down from a tree,

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so you hear the landing, the thud, then they'll hear
it again on the other side, he said. At one
point him and his research partner were out there and
they were basically semi circled a good distance away from
their vehicle. They were like, we can't see anything, and
then he's look up in the trees because of the
hearing stuff land. So as we're all looking around, he

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sees this blue light that's off in the tree lined.
I caught the very tail end of it with my
right eye. This thing just burns off into the woods
and completely disappears. Him and David are trying to look
around at one of those points where you're like, Okay,
there's something here, but we just can't see whatever it is.

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Everybody's super on edge the whole entire area. It just
feels very wrong. You're not supposed to be here. We
don't care if you have firearms. You should probably leave.
Him and David come back. Eli's likes, Okay, here's the deal.
We're probably not gonna see something, but I think we
have an audience. Mary Anne says that she's not feeling
physically well terrible headache, which is a pretty good indicator.

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I'm the same thing, just getting bombarded. Absolutely scared. We
get back in the trucks because now it's let's just leave.
It's not good. Something bad's gonna happen. There's no reason
to take measurements out here. We'll just leave it. Like
it is, and then we'll come back at a different times.
As we're driving out, we pull over to stop at
the spot where we heard the d There's no bell,

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There's nothing in the woods that could make that sound.
I'm literally standing outside of the truck with my rifle
ready to go Holy shit. This is another one of
those times where I feel super bad, really bad, really scared.
We don't find a bell, we don't see anything, we
don't hear anything. You can just feel a heavy presence spell.
We start to drive back towards the camp. I feel

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terrible all the way until we get into the camp
and the same thing. I basically spent the entire night
petrified that something was coming out of the woods. At US,
I have the worst sleep schedule possible. Three am for
me is like noon for everyone else. So when we're
camping and there's no one else out if their activity,
you're gonna see this or you're going to experience this.

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At one point I had walked away from the tent.
My girlfriend went with me. She's rustling around and I'm like,
what's going on. She's like, I just heard something walking
around the tent. Were you outside of the tent? I
was like, no, I'm forty yards away at the truck
scanning the woods with thermal Why she's I just heard
like a series of footsteps on the back side of

(01:05:44):
the tent. There's nothing out here. There's absolutely nothing out here.
That was the only stuff that we had happened in LBL.
But it was very interesting. The telephone not blasting out
the signal, it's not traveling, it's not resonating. We can't
hear anything on the lake at all, no sound whatsoever.
Then we go this one spot and it's the worst

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feeling ever. It's hard for me to explain how it felt.
But if you do this research, you go in and
at some point you're like, I'm scared. That's exactly how
the area felt. The minute we parked the trucks, I
was like, this is bad. We're in it now. I've
had some other stuff happen too. I found really weird
piles of bones that are separated, three femurs lined up

(01:06:29):
in really interesting ways. I found deer vertebrae where two
separate just a few feet apart. There's a total of
six bones in this entire area. I can send you
photos of this stuff for video if you would like
these two deer vertebrae. The bones are completely clean. It's
not a stick, it's a tree. So something had taken

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these two vertebrae and laced them on a growing tree
through the spinal column. There's branches below and above, so
you can tell that it's been there for a while.
There's two of them within a very short distance of
each other. They're both laced. I sent this off to
two biologists a couple other people in the UFO realm

(01:07:15):
to try to figure out what it is or what
could possibly have happened. I talked to a dn R
and a US Force Service personnel in the area and said, hey,
I found these over here. Have you guys ever seen
anything like that. Both of them were like, no, one
has any reason whatsoever to be in that portion of
that wooded area. There's no trail. You're basically bushwhacking into

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the spot. The biologists were like, yeah, no clue. The
likelihood of this happening naturally is like one in one
hundred million. They're both like, it would take something with dexterity,
extreme concentration, and depth perception to be able to lace
those vertebrae through the spot. Final column on a tree

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that's growing out of the ground. When I found them,
the two trees are broken, but you can still see
the trunk of the tree and then a couple branches
popping out the lace through the spinal column, and then
more trunk of the tree with little new branches popping
out on both of them. I went out with another
researcher from the area and I said, hey, look, I'm

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going to take you to my general spot where I
have the most activity. This one spot I've been whiffled at.
I took a hike and when I found the tree
glyph the X with the crossbar. Two weeks before that,
I was standing in a field and I kept hearing
the behind me. It was over and over again. But
when I would turn around and look, and this is

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right at dusk. This is like October. When I turn
around and look, there's nothing there. Turns out when I
found the skull stuck on the top of the tree
and then the glyphs, this is all a direct line
the field that I was standing in and had no clue,
and it all clicked. At that one point. You're like, oh,

(01:09:06):
I'm having activity here. I'm hearing this behind me, and
all this stuff is in this region right here. I've
marked all those locations with onex maps. Two times now.
I've tried to trace back through the onex map and
Google Earth and some other geolocation stuff, and it's led
me to a totally different area. The coordinates, the Latin

(01:09:30):
launch coordinates are pointed and stuck directly to where I
found these things, but the map leads me off into
a different spot. I isolate all my electronics too, so
I try to make sure that if something comes out,
one thing is off for everything else is off, so
there's no electronic interference. This area is so weird that
I could take two compasses and separate them from two

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feet to ten feet and one of them will always
spend counterclockwise or clockwise continue, while the other compass does
not spin at all. I was talking about the guy
that I went out with the other researcher. We went
to that same area. I said, hey, look, I'm going
to take you to the spot. You lead the way
and we'll go wherever. I'm not going to tell you
to turn left or right. So we went to the

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field that I was whistled at. We start hiking in
without really knowing where we're going. He starts walking towards
a ravine that I've had some other activity in. This
is four weeks ago. The underbrush is really thick. It's
dense forests. It's hard to get through, it's covered in ticks.
It's absolutely not fun to be in. But you gotta

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go where you need to go. He goes towards this point,
he finds the ravine. There's a little creek. Let's walk
back up this hill. He walks towards this area and
we see this clearing within all the underbrush. There's three
femur bones lined up, almost perfectly spaced. There's a portion
of what looks like a portion of the blade of

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the hip bone, I'm assuming, and then there's one single
rib and these are all perfectly arranged in the same line.
I was like, have you been out here? No, the
only reason I'm here is because you said this is
the point where you have activity. I was like, okay,
he could have went out, but he didn't go out there.
I've never seen another person crawling through this area. I

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put up game cameras. I try to make sure that
no one's hoaxing, and I've never gotten any type of
sign that there's human interaction or manipulation in these areas
at all. Like I said, I try to make sure
all my data and all my findings are really hard
to say that's a hoax or somebody's doing this to you.
I look at everything from the scientific aspect. When I

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take photos of evidence, I take photos like a crime
scene investigator, properly trained and have done a ton of
research just through UFO stuff to make sure that I'm
doing everything the right way to where I'm not affecting
the situation or the area or the evidence and no
one else's that's what's happened so far. There's a lot
of really weird little things that happened. But yeah, sorry

(01:12:06):
for rambling. There's so much stuff at this point. I
researched ninety nine percent of the time on my own.
I got to stop two times by l EO and
they said, hey, you need to leave right now. I'm like, okay,
what's the problem. They're like, we're not going to give
you a reason. You just need to leave the area. Okay,
Can I come back? Yeah, you just need to leave now.

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So I've pulled out, I've checked to see if there's
anything going on. I have a police scanner, I can
listen to the radio. I've had a few times where
in the UFO realm we call them the men in black,
not like the movie black SUVs parked at my vehicle.
As I'm coming out of the woods, I noticed two gentlemen. Basically,
I'm the only car in the lot. The vehicle's completely unmarked.

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They're both dressed in what looks like uniform blues head
to toe, and they're circling my car. I waited because
I didn't want to walk out and start them. They
get in their suv. They drive off. Two seconds later,
getting my truck start to drive off not even five
miles away, this same suv is right behind me. It

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followed me where I research is separated from the main
area via a giant river I think it's the Mississippi,
and they followed me all the way to the bridge,
pulled off, turned around, went back. I can't tell you
how many times now I've had unmarked SUVs parked by
my vehicle. Two or three times. I've had radio chatter

(01:13:32):
interference from something I get the black helicopter all the time.
I hate talking about this stuff because people are like, oh, yeah,
that's bullshit. It's a conspiracy. But I've been buzzed in
the middle of a field at night where no one
else is. I can tell when there's a radio signal,
where an FFA signal being blasted from a helicopter that's

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transmitting because it's required to. I was in a field
doing research, laying there, no lights, nothing on, just literally
waiting until the right time. And the next thing I know,
I hear this black helicopter. They being me almost directly
with the spotlight. My thought is, okay, they're running night
vision or fleer or thermal and they saw me. But

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I didn't hear this helicopter until it was right above me.
They were below what you would consider the acceptable height
of a rescue or a military helicopter. So bad that
I'm getting the downwashed. This stuff happens to people that
dig pretty far in the UFO realm pretty regularly. It's
a weird documented thing that is pretty easy to prove. Now.

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I have a rear facing camera that I drive with
all the time. If I'm in the woods alone, I
have a forward facing camera, rear facing camera connected to
my kit. Mary Anne had a black SUV that was
parked out in front of her house, completely blacked out windows,
no plate from what I understand, no markings. She said,
this has never happened. It's really funny because she was like,

(01:14:58):
is somebody gonna show up and ask me a out
the light we saw? And I'm like, you might have
some interference. I have an aunt and uncle. They worked
for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They can't tell me directly,
but I can get the family feel like, hey, can
you tell me what's the possibility of this happening. They're like, yeah,
it could happen, but it's very weird that it would
happen from us or anyone else. It's just weird. At

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this point, it's cool, but it's very weird.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It definitely sounds like it. We didn't get into any
of the weird stuff. We'll have to do that on
another occasion. If you're come back on the show, I'd
love to get into some of the UFO stuff. I've
had multiple UFO experiences. I'd love to have you back
at some point and get into that stuff. I really
appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. If had
a blast talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Yeah, for sure, definitely. I listened to the podcast pretty regularly.
I'm like, this guy is having stuff happen on his
property that sounds similar to some of the stuff that
happens across the country. Definitely at the Hozark Mountain Bigfoot conference,
I'll pick your brain about the potential UFO activity in
your area. I will say this, I'm guessing where you're located.

(01:16:04):
I know you were based in Atlanta for some point.
There's a really famous ufologists down there that you should
probably get in contact with. I can try to field
an email. I will say this, if you put this
on the episode, his name doctor Alan Greenfield. He will
probably hear it and more than likely reach out at

(01:16:25):
the weirdest time possible without me saying anything at all.
That's up to you. But that guy is a treasure
trove of information and the last of the really hardcore
youfologist guys in North America. I'd love to come back on.
We can get into everything from UFO to the cryptis

(01:16:45):
stuff too. My research area, we didn't even cover it.
It has a lot of very strange ties with Point Pleasant,
the Mothman, the Manhattan Project, all this crazy stuff. It's
all verifiable. The thing that I try to do is
if you want to see the data or you want
to share the data with the listeners, I will send

(01:17:05):
you whatever I have. I think the more eyes on
everything is better. It certainly helps me because people pick
up stuff that I don't notice. This isn't what you
thought it is. If there's anything that you want, just
let me know and I'll send it your way. For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
I don't want to job, this job.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
And every day came in looking back for joy, for me,
joy staying right, you come in right away.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
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