SO EP:671 Bigfoot: The Missouri Files-Part Two

In this episode, Levi returns to discuss his extensive experiences and research into UFOs, Bigfoot, and other paranormal phenomena. Levi explains the concept of 'paraufology,' which views all these phenomena as interconnected rather than isolated incidents. He shares personal experiences, including sightings of unidentified flying objects and strange lights, and details his involvement with the North American Research Center of Para-ufology.

The conversation also delves into methods for investigating these phenomena, such as the use of stopwatches for detecting time dilation, audio recorders, and sensors that track erratic flight patterns. Levi shares insights into the historical and regional aspects of paranormal activity in Missouri, including notable UFO 'flaps' and mysterious occurrences around the St. Louis Arch. The discussion wraps up with pragmatic tips for those interested in conducting their own paranormal research.



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00:00 Welcome Back, Levi! 00:19 Exploring UFO Experiences 00:41 The North American Research Center of Per Ufology 01:41 Connecting the Dots: UFOs and Bigfoot 06:05 Personal UFO Encounters 06:35 Missouri's UFO Hotspots 08:03 Unexplained Aerial Phenomena 14:20 The Arch Theory 18:03 Advanced UFO Research Techniques 29:35 The Trickster and the Paranormal 32:01 Exploring Alone: Open Invitation to Missouri 32:54 Dogman Encounters and Other Paranormal Experiences 34:56 UFO Sightings and Electronic Interference 37:35 Personal Experiences and Property Sightings 40:59 Analyzing UFO Data and Cross-Referencing 53:51 Tools and Techniques for Paranormal Research 58:00 Upcoming Events and Contact Information

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog.
My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what

(00:38):
are you putting? We got some wonder or something prowling
around out here? Did you see what it was?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Or was it was?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Standing enough? I'm out here looking through the window now
and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside.
Jesus Quice, you better Hello, hit the boddy out here?
What quin I'm out there? I thought of a bitch
about tech forty nine. I don't know. Easy ann ount there, Yeah,
I'm working right.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Hey, uh all right, folks.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
I want to welcome LEVI back to the show for
round two from Missouri.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
What's going on? Man?

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Hey, how's it going? Glad to be back?

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I am good. I am glad to have you back.
You're here to talk about some of the things we
didn't get into on your last visit to the show
some of the weirder stranger experiences. I've had UFO experiences.
I've had experiences multiple times with what I believe to
be alien craft.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
I know that is your forte.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Why don't we talk a little bit about your experiences
with UFOs ufology and get into some of the weirder
things that we didn't get into last time.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah. Sure, there's a lot to go around, not just
from Missouri. It's a pretty wild phenomenon. I run what's
called the North American Research Center of pera Ufology. The
term pairuthology is a term that's not really used now.
It's parken back to the older thought of what UFOs

(02:08):
are and what the phenomena is. But the term pairuthology
is great because it's not just focusing on UFOs or
UAPs or whatever people want to call them. It has
this ideology of all of the stuff is intertwined versus
just separate cells of phenomena and through research, not just

(02:30):
reading listening to interviews from geez at this point, all
the way back to the forties up until stuff that happens.
Something could come out today and I'll read the report
and be like, Okay, I've definitely started to notice that
the thought of everything being connected is much more likely
than I think people really understand or want to accept

(02:52):
or believe. You hear of people having bigfoot stuff happen
and then they see a craft or forbes or whatever.
And we touched on that stuff a little earlier in
the last interview, but for me it was starting narcop
as what we call it, was a way to focus
on everything without focusing on everything individually. I personally don't

(03:15):
think it's really beneficial to just focus on one thing
because there's much cross evidence, and it's not just from reports.
There's a lot of hard packed data that you can
see between some of the BFRO the log on their
website or the Bigfoot Mapping project. If you backtrace and
you start to cross reference UFO activity with bigfoot or

(03:39):
sasquatch activity or orb activity or whatever the case may be,
you start to see that there's usually as little as
a couple hours to a seven to fourteen days, well
basically two weeks, there's a spur of of encounters that
are happening from everything. It's not just I saw UFO
and then I saw a bigfoot. It's one twenty minute

(04:01):
drive down the road from you might have a totally
different experience, but it's very close timeline wise. I built
this pretty ridiculous graph that overlays everything. It's wild too,
because historically Missouri, for sure has the UFO flap of
the seventies from the Piedmont area, and there were a
lot of reports. You drop a pin fifty miles, there's

(04:22):
a lot of reports that came around the same time.
That was a very huge, long term lap. Yeah, looking
at everything as one hole under the term paer uphology,
and then also trying to become what people consider a
tray evenance expert, going to sites and seeing soil compaction
and very odd burn marks on the ground that only

(04:46):
affected an inch of the grass. There's no depress, foliage
or anything around. Just trying to go out and see
stuff and categorize and log all of this to try
to have it potentially makes sense. It will It never
makes sense, but it's beneficial to look at everything try
to pile it in and be like, oh, okay, yeah,
these are happening here. This is happening here, this stuff

(05:07):
is happening here.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
I don't know if you have any questions on that,
or we can just go straight in.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Before we dive right in. That's one of the things
that the longer I've been in this subject, and for me,
I'm saying Bigfoot is the subject that I'm primarily into.
I thought that everything was separate, right I started interviewing
folks and I would hear them say, there was these
strange lights, or we saw craft over our property. Then

(05:35):
the next day we saw a sasquatch. I was always
putting those things into boxes, going and that's really weird
that you've got these weird lights. But I want to
talk about the bigfoot stuff, and I didn't correlate the two.
I started interviewing a couple of people.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Talking about UFOs. We talked about it offline.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I've had a couple of UFO experiences in my life,
and I've always been very interested in the subject. But
to me, sasquatch has always been a flesh and blood creature,
some sort of undiscovered relict, thomannoid haminan that had nothing
to do with anything flying around in the sky. Outside
of some of these experiences that I've had where I've

(06:13):
interviewed folks and they've said, hey, I interviewed one gentleman
who said he saw a landed craft and saw a
sasquatch either coming off of or going on to, or
in very close proximity too, said craft it was an
alien craft that this thing was coming and going from.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
That's a pretty direct correlation with what.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
People would consider to be a UFO UAP alien technology
and Bigfoot at the same time. The more that I've
had these conversations with people, Preston Dinnett, I've talked to
Preston many times. I've had him on the show multiple times.
Preston has always said to me, Brian, everything is connected,
and it took me a long time to break out

(06:52):
of that paradigm that I was stuck in to say,
you know what, you might be right. I'm still not
completely there, but I am open and willing to listen
to anybody's theories on this, because if you're not looking
down multiple paths and you just get in this.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
One lane and drive ninety miles an hour.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah you'll get to a destination, but it may not
be the right one. You might have should have taken
an exit before you got there. I'm anxious to hear
some of your theories about this and how you approach
the subject. But before we get deep into that kind
of stuff, let's talk about your own experiences with what
you would consider to be UFOs or alien craft.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
You're definitely right, and I'm super interested to dig in.
I have a pretty solid theory that's not my own,
but it makes the most sense to me, and I
see it getting accepted here and there, not across the board,
but enough to where, oh, okay, people are starting to pick
it up. I moved to Missouri. I'm from Indiana Originally.
We do have some stuff happen in that area. There's

(07:53):
more what people consider ghost phenomena or pontings and all
of that. It's a very religious state, and it seems
that there's a lot of focus on that versus what
other things it could potentially be. Came to Missouri almost
immediately started researching about the historical aspect of what had

(08:15):
happened here as far as sightings and everything, and a
lot of people don't know it. Movefon. The Mutual UFO
network was started in Missouri. All the key players from ufology,
they came from basically US down to Atlanta and then
some people in New York and then the West coast,
but this little, tiny state. It's not little, it's big,

(08:36):
but you get what I'm saying. There was just stuff
happening constantly, and a lot of people were paying attention.
One of the first things I started to notice, and
it was always happening when I was coming back from
doing a hike or whatever. The areas the entire state
is just covered in forests. You go out and you
start noticing lights that don't make sense, or there's a

(08:57):
lot of nuclear around here, and there's a lot of
private and commercial airports, and I started noticing that if
you just sit and hang out and look, you start
noticing stuff that's coming in. You start having these experiences
where there's movement that you can't explain and it's flying
in the sky. One of the first ones was I

(09:18):
was out at my research area. I was getting towards
the end of the night and wanted to go to
a point where there was a closed in conservation area
and they closed the gate at ten. I knew that
there was a lake and I had heard some stories,
not historical reports, about people having experiences at this lake.

(09:38):
And the first night I'm out there, I always take photos.
I always use my iPhone. It would be great to
take a DSLR or a crazy point shoot at this point,
but iPhone cameras are getting really hard to beat. They
pick up a lot more than most people think. I thought, okay,
subject matter. I'll stand at the back of my truck,
put my phone on a tripod's stationary and it's not moving,

(10:03):
and then just take some photos. I was working with
some lighting stuff to try to figure out how to
boost the bitrate to where I could get more exposure
for really dark because other than moonlight, there's no ambient
light out there. I go and I start reviewing the photos,
and I noticed that there's this tiny little pill and

(10:24):
it's moving up and down vertically. Maybe it was at
the other side of the lake, but it's moving to
where it's one hundred two hundred feet above the tree line.
Pretty high above the tree line. But in this photo
i'm stationary, there's red light from my camera lights, and
then in the background there's just this light that's traveling

(10:47):
vertically and it's stopping and you can see it twists.
I just let the camera roll. I tried to turn
up everything I could to make of the aperture as
bright as possible without admittedly affecting the photo. I just
kept getting these weird little dots that are vertical lines.
You start looking at it from an aeronautics standpoint, we
don't really have stuff that travels straight up and down.

(11:08):
We do. A rocket, A helicopter still will drift during takeoff.
Even the Harrier jump jets or whatever the current version
of that is, they wobble. But this is a vertical
straight line. Turned around, watched, didn't see anything else, got
back in my truck and started to drive out. Right
before I hit the gate, there's a right hand turn
that goes out to the main road. I'm looking ahead

(11:32):
and I see these two points of light that are
going straight towards each other in an arcing v. They're
not big, and they're not really bright, but they're bright
enough to wear it noticeable. But they're almost erodescent. They're
not what you would consider a white light from a lens,
or what at a lightning bug would potentially be. And

(11:52):
I watch these two things come together and they get
maybe within I would say a foot, and they don't touch,
but they stop and then they just completely disappear. And
this is only forty feet off the ground. My truck's
not very tall, it's up enough to where I'm driving
and I'm looking up and I stop, and they came
from two totally different areas. The one on the left
did this kind of odd curve and then a stop

(12:15):
and then came down and that a foot apart. They
just and then out of nowhere. The thing that was
interesting for me was it's ten o'clock at night. I'm
rushing to get out of the gate because they shut
that gate at ten. There's no one else around, there's
no interference that could have caused it. Lightwise, I tried
to look at it as what could have caused these

(12:35):
three things to happen? Two lights interacting with each other
and then one moving vertically. Nothing. Wit Holm tried to
do some research and was maybe it's a shooting star.
But as you start doing this research, you start seeing
that the possibility of one turning back on itself, and
then both of them coming together and not touching, but
stopping and then disappearing, there's just no explanation. There's no drones,

(12:59):
the windows down. At that point, I was, okay, we're
onto something here. There is an airport that's just over
a pretty big river, but it's nothing that's going to
come from there because they're tiny. They probably honestly were
less than six inches circle wise, maybe four to three inches.
They didn't look led, and they didn't look the light

(13:20):
that would be admitted from a lens. They were parl
lesson eerodescent. When they came together, stop and disappeared, there
was no flash. It was just completely out. It was
they flew into each other, said hi, and then gone
de materialized or whatever. That was the really the first
big one here. There was another time where I was

(13:42):
driving down the highway on my way out to the
research location. The highways are pretty wild here. You can
get pretty much anywhere in fifteen minutes. It's nice to
be able to get on the highway and not stop
in traffic. The only downside of that is if you
see something along the roadway and you're going and there's
a bunch of people going sixty behind you, you can't

(14:03):
stop and pull over and look at it. I'm right
by the zoo on the highway in traffic, not going
super fast. It was a little bit of redlock, but
not enough to where we were at a dead stop,
and I saw the black round ball just hovering right
by where the edge of the parking lot for the
zoo is and then the highway, and it's just sitting

(14:26):
right there and it's maybe beach ball size, but the
same thing. You could see through it, and you can
see that there's rotation or there's movement, but it's not
bouncing movement. It's stationary sitting there and it's spinning. I
kept going past because I couldn't swerve off and pull over.
I looked back and as I look back, I look
in the rearview mirror, look at my side mirrors. I

(14:49):
watched this thing just go straight up in the air
as fast as possible. I know other people saw it
because the people next to me were doing the I
gotta look down from the wind shield movement.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
And stay tuned for more sasquatchy out to see. We'll
be right back after these messages.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
This is all going within sixty less seconds, and people
are looking out the window and we just watched this
thing shoot up in the air. But you could see
that it's a beach ball size black sphere. It's clear
but illuminated from the inside but not enough to where
it's bright. And this is the middle of the day.

(15:31):
This is full daylight, clear field of vision, no obstruction whatsoever,
and it's just hanging out right by the edge of
the highway. I found out later on that this is
a common occurrence in this area. I'm a firm believer.
This is a wild theory I have, and this doesn't
come out usually when I talk to people, because everybody's, oh, yeah,
you're crazy. We have two rivers that basically surround Saint Louis, right,

(15:54):
we have a giant arch that was built for whatever
reason they want to say. But this thing is big
and was weird for the time that it was built.
Construction wise and material wise. It draws stuff in constantly.
My theory is that somewhere in that area, unbeknounced to
everybody that lives in Saint Louis that doesn't care about

(16:15):
UFOs or magic or the paranormal, this thing is either
a beacon or a portal. Because people have regularly seen
stuff fly into the arch but not fly out of
the arch. It's pretty well documented. We don't have a
ton of high rise. We have maybe sixteen by sixteen
block of tall buildings and the baseball stadium, but security

(16:36):
cameras for the news, security cameras for some of the
buildings around the areas. Weather cameras have also picked up
quite a bit of really odd travel from stuff that
you can't explain. The wild theory is this arch was
built for a different purpose than what most people think.
Someone knew what was going on, and we have to
look at this in the perieuthology realm because you get

(16:58):
sucked into even some of the dumb conspiracy theories. You
can find a thread that makes sense and then you
start to cross reference and you're like, oh, okay, I
get it. But yeah, that's one of the things. I
found out that there's phenomena that happens all the time
on the highways. The really big one was I went
out to an undisclosed location. I got an invite. I

(17:19):
mentioned it earlier in the last time we talked. The
area's pretty secretive. We had some wild stuff happened that night.
But the big thing was this cloud, massive cloud, shelf cloud.
I start to notice there's the horizontal line of the
cloud is just a flat bottom, and there's this little

(17:41):
cute turned on its side. I see the point and
it's sticking out this far and it's blackish, kind of
the same thing, the shiny but not shiny, and then
I started to notice from that bottom point at three
degrees from the point, not a sharp angle, a pretty
gradual angle, there's these three flat sides that I can

(18:02):
see and they're just going out into basically infinity. They're
massively long, and I just watched this cloud pulling straight out,
no erratic movement whatsoever, moving very slow. But it's one
of those things where it's you see it, and it
doesn't click until you start looking and your why is
there at the bottom of a cube on its point

(18:24):
and angles that are super super shallow, just floating in
the middle of the air. You look above the cloud,
you can't see anything. I was pretty shocked at that point.
The night was wild, had a lot of really weird
stuff happened, but that was a big one. And then
started doing the expedition stuff, started noticing stuff that was
going on there and within the area as we're out

(18:45):
doing Bigfoot research, and then that kind of just drove
it home for the Okay, this stuff's connected. The other
big one was the bfro in Missouri that I went
to the expedition I went to with Mary Anne. Just
seeing this light bouncing around I mentioned before, we walked
up to it and everything. Another group went to try
to find it later on in an attempt to try

(19:07):
to prove what we saw. I had a theory. I
pretty much knew what it was the moment we saw it,
and pretty drastically said, what burn it with a light
to see if it reacts against everyone else's better judgment.
This stuff's for me as normal. If I see something,
I'm gonna blast it with the laser of blast it
with the light to try to get it to react.
I started checking what we use pretty regularly in ufology

(19:30):
and UFO research. There's a company that makes these tiny
sensors and they basically plug into your router, but they're
totally dormant, and what they are is non linear radar.
You can buy these sensors, they've been vetted. People obviously go, oh,
that's just someone creating an elaborate hoax, but it would
be really hard to do that. There are a lot

(19:51):
of people, including the US government, that's looked at them
and said, yeah, this is factual data. What this non
line of your radar does is it basically measures anything
between a mileage or a mile per hour. I don't
know if it's nautical miles for air whatever it is,
whatever they measure airplane stuff in, and it looks for

(20:14):
erratic flight patterns or erratic behavior. It won't pick up
the smooth, continuous arc of a jet, it won't pick
up the extremely far away gradual atmosphere curve of a satellite,
and it won't pick up the helicopter. They're tuned very specifically.
You start to see these things where you can look

(20:36):
at one section of the sensors and you'll see flight
patterns that are ninety degree turns. Stuff that's going from
two miles an hour to four thousand miles an hour
out of nowhere. And the beauty of this little node
that you plug in is they're all over the country
at this point. I think in Missouri now there's over

(20:56):
two hundred. They talk to each other essentially when they're
all based on a grid. Basically, the company that makes
them figured out some super genius way to ply all
this stuff together. But you can start to see these
flight patterns that don't make sense. They're calibrated very specifically
to where they won't pick up the usual suspects of
planes or helicopters or even rockets. By backtracks historically and

(21:22):
made a couple calls and sent some texts and said, hey,
we had this experience on this date. We went back
the next day it was happening again. There was another
gentleman that went back a week later and saw the
same thing that we saw in still the same vicinity,
but in a different location. Through all that data that
I recorded, I was able to go and look at

(21:44):
these nonlinear radar plots, and I noticed that for two
weeks before and after we were there, there's this really
erratic bouncy turning on itself, curly Q flying grid patterns,
really low altitude, sometimes down to under what you would
consider actual altitude below one hundred feet up. And these centers,

(22:05):
there's three sensors. If you drop a pin where we were,
there's one ten miles to the left, there's one ten
miles to the right, and then there's one more twelve
miles two miles past the one on the right, and
they're all picking this same thing up. And it's not
flying along the curve, which is also pretty interesting because
you would think, oh, okay, it's got to fly in
the flight pattern of where these sensors are, and they

(22:28):
don't which is cool because it allows you to focus
in on a forty by forty mile area and you
can start to see what's going on through cross referencing
and everything. I noticed that there was this activity before
we were there, while we were there, and then after
we were there. There's another podcast that added gentleman on

(22:48):
he lives very close. He lives on a family farm.
They have a ton of big footstep. They had no
clue that we were there until after the fact. I
double check because I asked the guy that interviewed him.
I said, Hey, did this guy know that the BFRO
expedition was going on while we were there? We had
no clue. He had reports of bigfoot activity, plus seeing

(23:10):
what he called orbs in the same timeframe that we did,
plus a week and a half before that. The other
cool thing about these sensors is the only way you
know that your neighbor has one is going on the
website and then looking in the area and it shows
you this map. There's an app called Enigma that has

(23:30):
them plotted, and this app is arguably it's not the
best for data, but it is pretty helpful because it's
the instagram of UFO stuff. Someone sees something that they
can't explain, and they take a photo or a video
and you always get the video that's the shakiest video ever.
Everybody should go buy a tripod and just leave your phone.
And that's the biggest thing you could do, is you

(23:52):
want undeniable video proof. Hold your camera steady. It's not
that hard. You go on this app and you can
see this stuff. But they have plot marks for where
those nonlinear radar are from my house. I think there's
twelve or fifteen around this area within a forty five
mile radius, which is cool. There's a lot of UFO
people that live in Saint Louis that don't really communicate,

(24:14):
probably for a good reason, but yeah, just cross referencing
this stuff with hard packed data that is really hard
to disprove. We saw these lights, and I knew the
story was going to come out and people were going
to be like, Yeah, that's bullshit. Whatever that didn't happen.
It's okay. I check everything I possibly know that I
can check to verify, and we did. It's a pretty

(24:35):
large chunk of time where people were seeing the same
thing or having the same experience, or sensors were picking
up the same flight pattern. That we were seeing. It
was weird because it's just minute movements, and every night
it was in a different spot. One of the questions
during was being the only UFO guy that apparently seems

(24:56):
to go really into any Bigfoot type of expeditions or research.
People are what do you think it's doing. My theory
is at some point they're either standing for a mineral,
which Missouri has a ton of ground mineral and a
lot of really weird rock outcroppings that historically are tied
to UFO activity. My thought is they're scanning for something,

(25:20):
and it's looking for something, and it's probably not doing
it just in this area. Those were the really big
ones that kind of started to stick out. Now it's
to the point where I will say this, I go
as deep into the crazy as deep into the non
normal avenues of trying to figure out what's going on

(25:41):
as possible ethology, whether people want to admit it or not,
has really long term, very relevant ties to occult magic
and some of the belief stuff that's happened and been
processed or come up with or invented in that realm.
I dabble in the occult magic realm basically just because

(26:02):
through research and trying to figure out a way to
potentially make contact or have these experiences more than most
people do. Everybody did it in the sixties. Everybody was
doing it in the fifties. There were a couple people
that were doing it in the US and the forties,
some very famous rocketeers that are essentially the reason we

(26:24):
had airplanes that had jets to take off during World
War Two. The main guy, Jack Parsons, was a very
high level a cult magician. He was America's version of
Alistair Crowley and very tight with Alistair Crowley. If you're
into UFOs and you don't think that magic is tied in,
you're probably wrong, because these guys were making scientific breakthroughs

(26:49):
way before they should have. Most of them were all
doing some sort of accult magic or some sort of
weird mystic whatever you want to call it. I have
stuff that I subscribe to, I have stuff that I
have used pretty regularly with a lot of really fascinating,
really strange and sometimes creepy results. But now it's to

(27:12):
the point where almost daily there's something that comes through
that's super weird. I took a trip home to Indiana
to hang out with some family, and there was a
point where we went to a spot where I had
thought that there was maybe some stuff going on, or
where you look geographically would be a good spot to

(27:33):
go and do some research. I'm out there with my
son and my mom. We're hearing stuff in the woods.
I've got these highly tweaked shooting muffs to amplify sound,
and I start hearing this hum. Everybody in the UFO
world knows that there's a sound that goes with some
of these things. That's not across the board. It's not

(27:53):
every type of phenomenon, but you start to hear this hum.
As I'm hearing this hum, I immediately start looking up.
I'm okay, we're getting something from somewhere. And within a
good forty five minute to an hour block, we had
seen seven separate lights at multiple altitudes, from different directions,
all turning in ninety degree turns, basically in a very

(28:20):
pointed location. It was almost stuff was coming in and
looking around and then dropping down turning out. And we
started noticing this. And there's three of us at this point.
We're all looking up, we're watching them, and we just
start seeing stuff moving around. Now every time I go
to the woods anytime I'm somewhere where there's potential high activity,
and I will say it's probably my fault if I

(28:42):
totally understand that the phenomena potentially attaches to you, the
more your brain goes okay, yeah, I'm open to this.
I just start picking up on stuff all the time.
I can go near an airport and we'll probably catch
a glimpse of something that no one else will see.
To someone who's not paying attention or train to look
at that stuff, they just think it's a satellite or

(29:03):
they think it's a shooting star, which sometimes it is,
but the ones where you see them and you're okay,
that's not either of those. It's hard to explain. Almost
every time I go on an expedition at this point,
we have really weird interference. For me. I think personally
it comes from more of the UFO stuff and more

(29:24):
of the open minded mental acceptance that there's a lot
of stuff that we can't explain. I always get backlash
about the magic thing because everybody thinks it's worshiping the
devil in black magic and all this hooha shit that
you read on the internet or hear from the fundamental
Christian just put it out there. My mom was the
youth minister for eighteen years. I grew up in a
Catholic church. I've probably spent more time in a church

(29:46):
than most people have in their entire lives, maybe combined
by five people. I would go to church on Sunday
and go with her every day after school. I didn't
go to Catholic school or anything, but I was constantly
in a church. I grew up with Jesus, and I
get this little he is secretly worshiping the devil, blah
blah blah, And it's no, you don't understand.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
That's not what it is.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's the attempt to try to understand a phenomena that
has no boundary and should have no limit or cap
on what you do to try to either a experience
or be verify and then attempt to prove or help
prove whatever's going on.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
And stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy. We'll be right
back after these messages.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
This kind of brings me to a weird point we
were talking about. You had mentioned people only see bigfoot phenomena.
One guy you said saw a craft land and then
saw a bigfoot come out. People see orbs. A common
thing in ufology is this theory of what everyone experiences
obviously is totally different, but your experience or your visual

(30:59):
sighting or or what you heard in the woods compared
to the person that's right next to you could be
totally different. There's this book It's a Big Deal and
the Paranormal and the UFO world. It's called The Trickster
and the Paranormal. Through ufology, there's this theory that stuff
materializes or shows up basically as whatever your brain or

(31:24):
your perception of reality, or whatever you're comfortable with. If
you're cool with seeing it, it'll show up as that.
If you're only thinking about bigfoot, there's potential that bigfoot
that you saw could be a totally different phenomena, but
it's manifesting itself as a bigfoot because your brain goes, oh,
I'm out here looking for bigfoot. I know what this is.

(31:47):
It's a bigfoot. People talk about tracks disappearing in the
middle of nowhere. They'll find tracks and they'll follow them
in the boof it's gone. People talk about seeing the
things moving in ways that are really just not possible.
I've heard crazy stories of these things booking it through
razy thick brush without making noise, but you'll see them

(32:08):
before and they're snapping trees. This trickster in the paranormal.
It all brings up a good point that whatever the
phenomena is, regardless of what camp it falls in UFO paranormal,
ghost hauntings, it has the ability to basically appear as
whatever you're accepting it to appear as our rules of

(32:31):
physics and reality do not apply at all. People say
that bigfoots and alterterrestrial I really subscribe to the potential
that the people that are having those experiences are maybe
only able to grasp that potential thing. But someone else
in that group could see a dog man, or could

(32:52):
see a skin walker or a wendingo, or you could
have the told opposite and someone's in an expedition and
they see a tall gray or they see a Nordic
humans alien. That book really got me thinking, maybe these
things are all connected, but maybe they're also able to

(33:13):
go I'm going to show up as this. This person
doesn't freak out and run the other way, because people
are obviously walking into the woods or walking into remote
areas to try to have these experiences. For me, the
dog man thing is very creepy, very scary. I mentioned before,
I don't get really spooked. I spend so much time
in the woods. I spend time in these areas where

(33:34):
most people are. You're an idiot for going alone. And
that's the other thing too, I'm not researching with other people.
Open invite. I'll say this, if you live in Missouri
and you listen to one of these podcasts, or you
listen to this episode and you want to come to
my research area, I will meet you there, send you
the locations, take you out the first time, and you
could go out there as much as possible. I hate

(33:56):
the fact that people are gate keeping, especially on land
that they don't know. If you don't known the land,
fit back, let everybody else go out there, because you
never know what they're going to experience. People do this
thing where they go and there's only bigfoot here. It's
not an alien. But someone else could go out and
have a totally different experience than you could. For me,

(34:16):
it's like, yeah, show up, I'll take you out. I'll
tell you everything that's happened. I'll show you all my evidence,
and if you can debunk it, cool, Let's move on
and go to another spot. Because I have a ton
the dog man thing my brain. I would flip out
if I was in the woods and saw a dog man,
because it's just one of those things that's Yeah, I've
seen weirder at this point. I've seen purple portals come

(34:38):
out of nowhere and then clothes. I regularly have experiences
our power will go out. I'm in my apartment right now.
Our power will go out. There's sixty other apartments in here,
and none of the other power goes out. It turns
back on, and there's no trip on our board that
says there was a fault here. I constantly get electronic interference.
I literally have I'm not kidding. I have radio a

(35:00):
foot from me because if there's some weird interference that
comes during this call, I'll pop that on and try
to scan and see what's going on, to maybe pick
up on something that the computer was not able to
handle going out. And if I see a dog man,
I'm gonna freak out because my brain doesn't capture that
and hold on to it and think, Okay, that's something

(35:21):
that's tangible. That whole phenomena a dog man, all the
stories are just they're really terrifying they're almost the worst
of the worst. I'd rather see the devil than a
dog man, because at least I can talk to the devil. Hey,
what are you doing? Are you here to hurt me?

Speaker 2 (35:37):
No?

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Cool, all right, I'll see you later. Here's the LBRP
to get you out of here. With a dog man,
everything sounds they're just gonna eat you or chase you
or scare the shit out of you. I don't want
to see that, especially if I'm in the middle of
the woods alone with no rifle and I've got nodes on,
no light whatsoever, and I'm running a microbeacon red light

(35:58):
and that's it. If I hear a growl and look
up and see the equivalent of my border Collie's teeth,
this huge, pitched off dog, I'm screwed. I'm done. That's it.
I'm not going back to that spot. What's one of
those things? Maybe whatever I'm experiencing knows that I'm absolutely
terrified of dog man right now. Until I shoot one,

(36:20):
I'm going to be totally freaked out forever. The minute
I can pop one, then we're good. But the likelihood
of that happening is probably one in one hundred thousand
but everything else. If there's an alien in the middle
of the trail, or if I'm driving down the country
road in the middle of the night and there's an
alien standing in the middle of the road and he
ment and blacks me or take me wherever. That's cool.

(36:42):
But it's one of those things. It's maybe the phenomena
is paying attention and goes, Okay, this guy's really deep in.
He can handle this. He can handle the daytime sightings
of weird flying objects that he can't explain. He can
handle getting the weird text from someone who took a
video where there's kind of a hovering what people call

(37:03):
the pill or the rod, and then one comes in
and flies almost at a ninety degree angle, and they're
within a couple inches of each other, and as the
other one flies in, it's going mildly slow, and then
it both out at two thousand plus miles an hour.
I have that video. I'll send you that video too.
It's perplexing, beyond belief. It's hard to explain. And this
is I think a twenty five minute drive from US,

(37:25):
right next to Scott Air Force Base, which is in Illinois,
which has a ton of stuff that goes on there
and this is a daytime video of a dude on
a farm. That's yeah, I have this stuff happen all
the time. This idea of being accepting and trying to
understand that what you're seeing or what you think you're
seeing may not be that. But it's also at some

(37:45):
point it's respectful of the phenomenon, going Okay, you can
handle this. We'll show up and do this. It's also
hard to try to tell people in the Bigfoot realm
that this is a possibility, because it's beyond wo to them.
There's no way. I didn't know you you were an
expert on Bigfoot. First of all, I didn't know there
was such thing as an expert on bigfoot. Are you

(38:06):
a scientist or are you quantum physics guru or whatever?
Can you please explain to me why it's only bigfoot.
I get a lot of weird books and then we
go on an expedition and seventeen people see a light
that's moving around erradically. In my brain, I'm going, Okay,
there's potential that this is here because of me, because

(38:26):
I focus on this stuff and it knows that there
may be other people around, but it could be an
isolated incident to where I was the only person that
noticed it. But that's not what happened. It said, Okay,
there's a couple of people here, we'll have one person
see it and we'll get the UFO guys attention, which
is exactly what happened on that certain one. It's trying

(38:46):
to look at everything in a different way than most
people are, and then trying to compile all of the
data and going Okay, what's the possibility of this actually
being this or this? It's hard to do, but it's
also I think it's very beneficially. I don't know if
you have questions on that point.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Oh, I've got tons of questions.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
But I know that you mentioned before we got on
here that you had some questions about some of the
things I had talked about that have happened to us
here on our property. So if you want to get
into that, we can certainly do that.

Speaker 5 (39:19):
Yeah. Yeah. One of the things I know that you
had mentioned that when you moved to the property, did
you know that it had history in that area of sidings?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
No?

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Okay, are you from there? No?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
I was originally born and raised in Georgia.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Okay, do you have family that's ever lived around that area. No, okay, cool,
There's this thing that people have experiences, especially when you
go back to your hometown or whatever. In the UFO world,
we see a lot of lineage sidings. When I first
heard you mentioned your property, you had moved out there
and you started having stuff happened. That was the first
thing I was. I wonder if he has family from here,

(39:59):
or if he knew that AREO, had that stuff happen,
or if you would experience something prior in that area.
What came first? Did you see orbs or craft? I
know at one point you had said that you had
seen a craft when you were younger, maybe two times.
I don't have my notes with me. Are there overlapping

(40:19):
things that are similar between those two younger sightings versus
what you're experiencing now.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
No, there was a sighting of a UFO large craft
with my mom when I was sixteen.

Speaker 5 (40:32):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
The other stuff that was going on earlier in life
wasn't UFO related. It was ponded houses, weird, strange, demonic
things in the house that we were living in when
I was ten to thirteen ish. Then the other UFO
stuff has been after that I've had experiences where I've
seen them at the beach, flying over late at night

(40:54):
when we're down on vacation. I had to experiences while
I was up in Radium, BC, Canada, with God standing
back at the end of twenty twenty three, one of
the first or second nights of that expedition, Todd and
Ashley were not there with us. It was Kyle, his dad, Richard,
and myself. There's only three of us there. We watched
UFOs for two hours plus.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Okay, this was at Radium. Have you talked to Les Stroud?
I know he had an experience up there where he
said that he saw lights that he couldn't explain. I
can't remember if you talked to him or not. I'm
wondering if there's any cross there, because that's pretty concerning
data in my eyes, the likelihood of two people having
similar experiences in the same spot. I'm not saying it's

(41:41):
a hoax. It seems what it would be is whatever
was happening to both of you, knew that you were there,
and knew that the group was relatively small, and maybe
said Okay, we're going to go interact and this is
a common thing that happens I mentioned earlier. Your buddy
next to you can have a totally different experience and
see a total different thing than you saw while you're

(42:02):
both looking in the same exact way, or one person
can see something and the other person can't. But it's
interesting to have two people on the same timeline have
the same experiences in an area that not very many
people know. You're at Todd and Ashley. They're probably the
only people that knew that you were there or your

(42:24):
exact location. It'd be interesting to hear has he ever
said that he's had stuff in that area.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Let me start with Less.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
I've had conversations with Less about some of his experiences
in the past. I actually have a call with him
tomorrow because we're going out on expedition together at some
point in time. But we're still trying to narrow down
exactly when that's going to be and where it's going
to be. Yeah, and I'm going to have some conversations
with Less about tons of things his mind speak, some
of the other experiences he's had with Bigfoot, and we're
going to get into some of his UFO experiences as

(42:53):
well and talk about that during the expedition as far
as Todd is concerned, we were stoked. We being meet
Kylin Richard were excited about what we'd seen. When Todd
and Ashley got there, we were stoked to tell him
about the experiences of watching these crazy aeronautic dances that
we were watching seventy five eighty thousand feet above us.

(43:14):
Todd could give a shit less. He didn't want to
talk about UFOs. He doesn't care about UFOs. He's not
into UFOs at all. It's all about Bigfoot all the time.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
With him.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
We just dismissed it and let it go.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
When you talk to Less, I would ask him see
if he remembers general time and if you can cross
reference time and then direction of travel too. A lot
of times people see stuff coming from the same area.
I think I listened to the podcast where you had
mentioned that and was, oh, that's really crazy, because something
eighty thousand feet in the sky is absolutely impossible to hoax.

(43:45):
I don't care who you are. I don't care if
you're Robert Bigelow or the US military or whoever. You're
not flying fake UFO to make the erratic movements at
altitude that high in crushing pressure. It's just not happening.
It drives me crazy when people are oh, yeah, that's
a drone. If there's no drone, that's a rocket. At
that point, just sit down and use your brain. It

(44:06):
would be interesting to see if you guys can cross
reference those two incidences and see if the direction of
travel was the same or relatively close. And then time
wise is a big thing. People talk about the witching hour.
That's a whole nother rabbit hole. We can go down
on your property to get back to some of the
questions I had When you're seeing stuff on your property,

(44:27):
are you seeing structured craft or are you seeing lights
in the woods, or are you seeing orbs.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Never seen orbs? Okay, we've had a couple of experiences.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
I would say three experiences that I can recall immediately
since we've been here on the property full time, which
would be around the end of twenty nineteen through present day. Yeah,
where we have been asleep, typically late at night. I
don't really pay attention to the time. I usually cut

(44:59):
my phone off, our Wi Fi off, we cut phones off,
everything's off when we go to sleep, and we're totally
in the dark. We don't even get to sell signal
out here we would wake up to. There's no other
way to describe it other than the entire area.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Is lit up.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
That inside of the house is lit up by this
light source. Whatever it is outside, Yeah, enough to wake
both of us up. Danny and I are both sitting
up in the bed. As soon as that happens, it
goes dark. The entire area is now dark. That's happened
at least three times. We are in the middle of nowhere.

(45:32):
There are no lights next door. We don't have neighbors
next door that have lights on. We don't have street lights.
Nothing makes sense.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
There's no noise.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
It's not a search helicopter. I was a police officer.
We had multiple helicopters of Atlanta Police that would search
for people.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
They're loud.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
I know what a helicopter sounds. Yeah, it's not a drone.
It's not any of the things that I can come
up with to try to rationalize it. A wait, I
can't tell you what it is.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
There was one time that we were out in the
hot tub off the front of the house. Here, off
the front of the deck and there was something similar
behind the house, this big bright source of light that
just lights up the area behind the house, and it's
moving towards us, and by the time it gets to
the back part of the house here the light goes out.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
We never saw what it was.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
It just disappeared, went completely dark. The only physical thing
that we've seen, this really weird thing that happened. This
is the most recent thing. And I've never talked about
this on the show. I've only told a couple of
people about it because I don't know what to make
of it. There's a big ridge behind us. Our property
goes up. It takes about forty five minutes to hike

(46:52):
to the back of our property up this ridge and
off to the left a bit i'd say maybe a
mile from us, give or take. We have a neighbor
who purchased property and he built a house way on
the back of the very top of this ridge. The
only way that I know the house is back there
is I flow in my drone over it, and I
was able to see it. We were looking in that area,

(47:14):
but way to the right, to the back of the ridge,
there was a light that was lit up pretty bright
through the trees. At first we thought it was the moon,
but the moon hadn't made it to that area. The
moon was probably due west at this point, and this
is almost directly north that we're seeing this. It was
me and Danny out on the front porch. He actually,

(47:36):
I think, called my attention to it, and I go
out and what is that. I get my binoculars and
start looking through the binoculars. There's tree cover, it's thick
back there, but I could see this thing. It appeared
to be stationary, but I could see the light through
the trees in the binoculars. It was three points of

(47:57):
light that made a triangle. It wasn't moving that I
could tell. The light seemed to be equidistant between each other,
but it formed a triangle.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Two lights at the top, one at the bottom.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Did it have a center light, not that I recall, No,
I just recalled that three lights. It was less beam
but more ambient from the three light sources on it.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Do you have any estimation of how big it was?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Hard to say. I don't know how far away it was.
It's very difficult for me to say. We have this
little small trampoline outside that you use for calstenics and whatever.
About that size is the feeling that I had from
what I was seeing. Now, again, it could have been smaller,
it could have been bigger.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
I don't know how far away it was.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
I really can't tell you exactly, but that's the feeling
that I got was it was about that size. You're
talking maybe what four feet around?

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, and that's crazy. The black triangle thing is very
interesting if you look historically at what people have seen
over the years. I will say this just before I
get into this goes back to the whole trickster in
the paranormal. Whatever your brain is able to accept at
that time, stuff may manifest as that. If you start

(49:09):
looking through the timeline of craft, you have the two pipeans,
the pie ten flying saucer, and then it goes into
the more smooth flying saucer. Then we started hearing the
rod thing for a long time, and the black triangle
in varying sizes, or the fast movers that are these
tiny little rods or balls that just burn through or

(49:31):
radically at very high rates of speed. It would be
interesting to look in your area at some of the
UFO reports and see if people are seeing the same thing.
It would also be really interesting to get a sensor
to you, because then you would be able to tell
even if your WiFi is off, this thing will still
record via power. It doesn't need the Wi Fi to
do anything. It just reboots as soon as the Wi

(49:54):
Fi goes back on, and it would give you a
direction to travel, especially if it's that close to your house.
There's no noise whatsoever when you're seeing lights. No most
people have the experience where they hear the hum or
a high pitched wine, or they notice a rumbling in
the ground when they see this stuff. The fact that
it's absolutely silent is wild to me. It's probably aware

(50:17):
that you're there and aware. This goes with everything being
from the same thing or everything connected. It knows that
if you hear a sound, you're probably going to run
out and be go, what is this? That's really wild.
It would be really interesting to see it on a sensor.
Do you get electronic manipulation or interference out there.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
No, because there's nothing to interfere with us.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
But I will say this, and I was racking my
brain as you were talking because I don't want to
talk about this and then not be able to produce it.
I'm almost positive I saved this audio because I ordered
the audio recorders that I still take in the field.
I was just on a camp out speaking gig this
past weekend and I took audio recorders with me, and
these are the same ones that I took. I ordered
these audio recorders and I started using them on the

(51:00):
property here. Okay, a couple of times I put them
both out. They're identical. They're the exact same thing. I
put them out get very good results. There was one
particular night shortly after I bought these recorders, and it's
only happened one time. I've still used the recorders and
I've never been able to replicate it to this day.
It was a very strange. I literally put it on

(51:23):
the deck of our house. It's right outside the front door,
on the deck. It's very difficult to explain the only
way I've ever been able to explain it. I've sent
it to Doug Hihcheck. I sent it to a couple
of people that I trust that are pretty good with audio.
They've said, I have no clue what that is. Some
of the things that you would hear in a movie

(51:46):
about aliens when they're trying to portray a sound that's alien.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Is it the high pitched warp? It's not a hum,
but it's almost what you would assume a ray shooting
a laser. And it's got a weird, not mechanical sound.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
It's more on the staticy kind of sound.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
It would be interesting to hear that. You'll be at
the Ozark Mountain conference right. Yes, you can bring it.
Even if it's just a sound file that I can hear,
it be interesting to hear. When you first started talking
about it, I was, Oh, this guy he's gonna get
it because he's having experiences on his property. Have you
ever experienced any type of time dilation or have you

(52:29):
taken any video or photo in the area where stuff
seems to lag? You're panning with your camera and then
you get to a point and you go and you're
moving fluidly, but when you review the video, there's a
point where it's smooth, and then it lags really hard,
and then it's smooth again.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Nothing that I can think of off the top of
my iad No.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
I saw you perk up at the time dilation.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I was trying to think of anything that I've consciously
experienced that I could quite to or relate to that.
I can't think of anything right off the top of
my head.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Now, okay, there's a dumbest experiment possible. You can attribute
it to mass hysteria. At this point from X files,
we do this thing that's I'm almost ashamed to even
mention it because it's low tech and it's ridiculous. Two stopwatches,
You click them, you have a control, they're set at
the same time, and you just let them rit leave

(53:25):
them for whatever. Put one in a Faraday bag or
something that blocks any type of electronic interference, whatsoever. The
best thing to do is I do this digitally, but
if you can get who old school wind stopwatches and
make sure you wind the crap out of them before

(53:45):
you do this, Take an electronic stopwatch and a mechanical stopwatch,
put two of them in a Fara day bag, set
them off somewhere, and then just leave them. I would
be highly surprised if you had an instant where you
saw these lights and those two were not affected, either
the digital ones or the mechanical ones. This is the

(54:07):
stupidest low tech, scientific controlled experiment to prove time dilation
that you possibly can have. But it's wild because I've
seen it happen, and I've seen video and photographic evidence
of watches being off quite a bit. I get a
ton of interference with the compasses. I have a risk
compass on all the time with a watch, just to

(54:28):
make sure at least if I'm having an experience, I
can set the time and mildly note where I'm at
in my research area. I started having literally one compass
that doesn't move, and then another one rotates, and it's
clockwise counterclockwise. I talked about it on another podcast. I
separate them. They're isolated from electronics. They're both in a

(54:50):
Fara day bag. I pull them out separately and can
set one on the ground and then walk twenty feet
away and set the other one down, and walk back
and forth and watch one of them spend. Someone had said,
all the area that you're in has a geomagnetic anomaly
in the point where you set a compass down. I'm
not an idiot. I picked that compass up, move it,

(55:12):
and then move the other one, and the compass that
was spinning will still rotate in a totally different location.
These are low tier experiments for morons. Basically, there should
be one of those how to check for time dilation
dummy books, or the how to check for geomagnetic anomalies
in your area or magnetic stuff that can affect your electronics.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Let me ask you really quickly before we get out
of here. Is there a couple of things that you
can give folks because people are going to hear this
and there will be those people that say, man, I
want to go out there and try to look for
some of this stuff. Is there anything that you can
recommend as far as maybe a tool or two that
is pretty easily accessible to people that are interested in
this if they're going out and doing bigfoot research or

(55:53):
whatever kind of research they're doing, that you could recommend
that they could go out and maybe pick up on
Amazon or find a radio shag somewhere and pick up
to take out to measure some of this stuff. They
can verify what they're experiencing.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Yeah, there's three big ones that are really easy to
get that I recommend for everybody. The first one is
two identical stopwatches and two identical watches that record time.
Those are the two biggest you can get. I wear
a relatively cheap cassio and a risk compass that goes
everywhere with me that way. It sounds dumb, but you

(56:27):
can really grab a lot of data, and if you're
experiencing something, you can click the time notote on your
watch and know exactly what time something happened, and then
potentially go back and try to cross reference data with
recording video whatever. The other one is. It's two pieces
of sound equipment. A recorder that connects to the end

(56:47):
of a stick or that you're not holding in your hand,
or a recorder that's isolated that you can connect to
a small tripod. The reason you don't want to hold
it is because the more nervous you get, the you're
gonna grip. But as your heart rate starts to slow,
you're gonna get interference with a low audible but not
really audible and hard to explain heartbeat in those recorders

(57:11):
that everybody's death gripping when they're hearing something going on.
The other thing to go along with the recorder is
a set of shooting earmuffs minor highly tweet I run
a pair of impact sport. You can get him at
fast pro shops. Give this man some money for this
free ad here or any place that sells firearm stuff.
Put those on. Wear him in the woods as soon

(57:32):
as you get out of the car, put them on,
turn them on. You'll probably start having stuff that you
start noticing. And then if you have that recorder, click
that recorder on, click your watch. Cross reference those three
pieces of data. The last one, without getting really crazy
tech wise, is get a UHV or a VHF radio.
Amazon has the bow thing. I think the cheapest one

(57:54):
I have is thirty bucks, and I run it all
the time. If you learn how to scan through both
sets of frequencies, most people don't realize it, you're going
to start to get electronic interference from potentially something that's around,
whether it's the UFO or Bigfoot, and sometimes even the
whole EVP that's a radio signal. Essentially, you should be

(58:15):
able to pick it up with an ultra high frequency
or something the equivalent to where you could start getting static.
People don't pay attention to static, but it's very important
from my field because I start hearing patterns in static
that don't make sense with other things. The last thing
that's really easy to get is use the on X map.

(58:36):
Get an on X map on your phone. When you
start having stuff happen. Mark a pin or a waypoint.
Do you know where you were, and then you can
go back. If it's nighttime or something happens and you
got to get out of there, then you can go back.
I have a lot of issues. I get waypoints that
go a million miles away from where I put them,
and that's my fault because of all this stuff I'm into.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
But use it.

Speaker 5 (59:00):
Those maps on a phone allows you to very easily pinpoint.
I had an experience here, and if you use all
of those in conjunction, you might be surprised with what
you start to see when you start uploading stuff digitally.
Those are the three big ones, the higher tech stuff.
I think I mentioned it before. I'm doing a book
that basically gives a few page rundown of all the

(59:23):
electronics that I use, where they come from, how much
they cost, and how to use them without going into
a whole entire episode on tech. It's hard to mention
some of that stuff because it is detailed and it's
really weird compared to what most people are using. Those
are the big ones. Those are the easiest that everybody
can have.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
You mentioned it earlier. I'll be in Missouri for the
Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference on October the fourth, and then
we'll be at the camp out google Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference.
Go to the website, reach out to Marianne and get
your ticket and come by and see us there. I
am looking forward to hanging out with you there, Levi,
and maybe even getting into some things in your research area.
Who knows what we have time for, but I'm definitely
looking forward to it. Man, Thanks so much for coming

(01:00:02):
back and sharing even more of your knowledge and experiences
with us.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Oh yeah, anytime, if anybody wants to shoot me an
email or house questions or whatever too, I always put
it out there. It's just Levi at narcop dot org,
the same as the gene Levi na r cop dot org.
I get bombarded with crazy emails. Some of them are
really weird and usually lead to some other crazy finding

(01:00:29):
or cross reference. If I don't get back to you immediately,
I promise I will when I can, Because since I
started doing all this stuff and putting it out there,
the response has just been insane.

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