November 28, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode, North Carolina resident Jerry Millwood shares a decades-long history of Sasquatch encounters, tracing his fascination back to the 1970s after seeing The Legend of Boggy Creek.
What began as curiosity grew into a sustained, personal journey of observation and research—one that has included multiple sightings and unexplained events both in the region and on his own property.
Jerry walks us through the progression of his experiences, from early signs like unusual tree breaks and activity in the surrounding woods to increasingly close encounters, including sightings near his home and even within view of his front yard.
Along the way, he describes recurring patterns of behavior he’s witnessed over the years: rock-throwing incidents, powerful vocalizations, heavy nighttime movement, and what he believes are deliberate visits after dark.
Beyond the encounters themselves, Jerry speaks candidly about the difficulty of coming forward with stories like these, the social pressure that often keeps witnesses silent, and why skepticism is essential in separating genuine experiences from misinterpretation or hoaxes. He also highlights the importance of community—how local knowledge, trusted researchers, and shared fieldwork have helped him test what he’s seen and stay grounded in the search for answers.
The episode closes with Jerry discussing his involvement in organized research efforts, including groups such as Sasquatch Recon and NCI. He reflects on how documenting and sharing his experiences has led to unexpected validations, new connections, and a deeper commitment to understanding what may be happening in the wild places around him.
Whether you’re a long-time believer, a careful skeptic, or somewhere in between, Jerry’s account offers a detailed, thoughtful look at what sustained, real-world Sasquatch activity can feel like over a lifetime.
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What began as curiosity grew into a sustained, personal journey of observation and research—one that has included multiple sightings and unexplained events both in the region and on his own property.
Jerry walks us through the progression of his experiences, from early signs like unusual tree breaks and activity in the surrounding woods to increasingly close encounters, including sightings near his home and even within view of his front yard.
Along the way, he describes recurring patterns of behavior he’s witnessed over the years: rock-throwing incidents, powerful vocalizations, heavy nighttime movement, and what he believes are deliberate visits after dark.
Beyond the encounters themselves, Jerry speaks candidly about the difficulty of coming forward with stories like these, the social pressure that often keeps witnesses silent, and why skepticism is essential in separating genuine experiences from misinterpretation or hoaxes. He also highlights the importance of community—how local knowledge, trusted researchers, and shared fieldwork have helped him test what he’s seen and stay grounded in the search for answers.
The episode closes with Jerry discussing his involvement in organized research efforts, including groups such as Sasquatch Recon and NCI. He reflects on how documenting and sharing his experiences has led to unexpected validations, new connections, and a deeper commitment to understanding what may be happening in the wild places around him.
Whether you’re a long-time believer, a careful skeptic, or somewhere in between, Jerry’s account offers a detailed, thoughtful look at what sustained, real-world Sasquatch activity can feel like over a lifetime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
I've been on for most of my life. Ever since
I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and
wild men while spending time with my friends and family.
As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,
my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
(01:45):
you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
out here? Did you see what it was? It was
enough out here looking them do the one down now
and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
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hit the boddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
I've thought of a bitch of about tech foot nine.
I don't know. Easy am out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Our folks will walk up. My guest to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It is Jerry from North Carolina. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Man. Thank you for having me. What an honor. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I am glad to have you here.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I say this every time this happens.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's rare.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
These days that I actually get to meet somebody in
person and then have them on the show. It is
one of my favorite things in the world to actually
meet somebody in person and then get them on the
show to talk about their experiences. You and I hung
out together up in South Carolina at the Westminster Bigfoot
Festival just a couple of months ago. We're not here
to talk about that, though, We're here to talk about
your experiences. I'm going to start where I start with
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everybody when I bring them on the show. What in
the world got you interested in the subject of bigfoot
sasquatch to begin with, you call.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It a three. When I was a kid I fifty
eight now, so in the seventies, the movie that initially
caught my attention was The Legend of Boggie Creek. My
granddaddy took me to see it, and gosh, being a
kid that was raised in the country in the woods,
that captured my imagination and made me think. But as
I grew older, of course I never disbelieved, but it
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certainly was something that was far out of my mind.
I checked a book out at Fort Bragg Library when
I was stationed there, and it was called The Bigfoot
Case book, and lo and behold, I found a whole
mess of sightings from the area in and around where
I grew up in North Carolina. So that kind of
snagged my attention a little bit, made me want to
see a couple of the other movies that came out
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after Legend of Bogie Creek. But fast forward from then
to about twenty thirteen. The summer of twenty thirteen, so
we bought this place here in the foothills of North Carolina,
middle of nowhere. I have tens of thousands of aker's
of wilderness around me to explore in Roland. So we
bought the place and we started coming up on the weekends.
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Before we moved lock Stock and Beryl and I started hiking.
Brother and I hiked. I would leave out on a
Sunday morning. I'd be gone all day, and I started
finding tree breaks. I had no clue. I wasn't a
Sasquatch guy, other than to say I liked it from
an entertainment standpoint. But I found one, and then two,
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and then three, and then four and so on, And
finally I was watching something on TV. I forget the show,
but I saw a guy there. He's written several books,
and his name escaped me. He wrote Beyond Boggy Creek
in that whole series of books. I emailed him and
I said, can you tell me about these tree breaks?
Does that mean anything? Because they were mentioned in that
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little documentary I watched, and he said, yeah, it definitely
means something. If you're finding a lot of them. They're
all broken up high broken while they're alive, or broken
while they were green, as we say, so, that really
put it on my radar. My mind is beginning to
think could it be possible. I started reading more, watching
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more documentaries, but then totally out of nowhere. In August
of twenty seventeen, my wife and I turned on to
the road we live on. It's about nine thirty at night.
There was a cornfield off on the left, and as
we made the right hand turn, it lit that cornfield
up and that there was one standing outside the corn
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just a few feet from the road. Though it was
a split second, that image burned into my mind. As
it registered, I hit the brakes and I said, keep
an eye on it. I wanted to back the car
up and put the headlights on the cornfield. By the
time I got situated the creature was already in the
corn butt. You could see above the corn stalks its
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head as it walked away. It wasn't running, that certainly
was moving at a pretty good pace, large distance between
its steps. That night, the bug bit me. That's what
I like to say. That bug bit me, and I
went to a state of wanting answers. I wanted to
know as much as possible. I had to woe the
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reins back on that horse, because I would teeter on obsession.
The one saving grace there in the beginning was me
and my wife decided not to talk to anybody about
it outside of just a couple of people. Then we
had some other experiences. We had some vocalizations that we
begin to hear, And just to hitch you with my theory,
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I believe it was a time period when this group,
with this clan of Sasquatches had moved into the area,
because I fully believed that they wronged their nomadic so
to speak. Who knows why, but lots of vocalizations, the
tree knocks and the whoops all the while, I've got
it in the back of my head are we being hoaxed?
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And the longer it went, the more that I came
to the reality that we were not being coached unless
there was an entire team of oaksures who were working
twelve hour shifts after the sunsets to three or four
in the morning. Then in twenty nineteen, I saw two
different creatures at two different times. One was standing just
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outside the woodline. That was another split second thing. It
appeared very much smaller than the first one I saw.
I could tell that it was same species, but I
think it was probably a juvenile five feet tall something
like that. A couple months later, December of twenty nineteen,
a family member of mine was staying here with us
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for the Christmas holidays, and we both got to see
another one. And now this one was back to being
a creature that was full grown. We extrapolated based on
the tree that we saw it standing near that night,
it'd be about seven and a half foot tall, the
broad shoulders, the no neck, the big size. I remembered
that about the first sighting of just how much it
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struck me of how gargantuan this thing was in wits
not to mention hot, And that was a split couple
of seconds and it was gone. It cleared my four
foot filled fence just stepped over it and was gone.
I began to spend a huge amount of time outside
at nay. I always go out to check on my
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farm animals. You never know. We have lamas, alpacas, goats, turkeys,
the whole gamut, and we have a bunch of dogs.
Right now, I think we're at eleven. So the nighttime,
I would start taking a dog or two out at
a time, and I would try to spend at least
an hour outside listening. We begin to accumulate these experiences.
I took the risk of deciding to talk to a
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few people who live local, and a couple of those
risks I took paid off tremendously because I found a
neighbor of hours. They were willing to share the experiences
that they had. I just kept going. I had a
little more boldness. I wasn't ready to come out and
tell the world I believe in Sasquatch. I believe I've
seen them. There was just a real small circle of
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people that I talked to about it. And then in
twenty twenty, I had taken a job here to small
town a chaser on your line, and the lady that
owned the store was in our inner circle. So she
got a call one day from Fox Nation. They advised
her that they were will be doing a documentary about
our local Bigfoot. We'd call them Nobby or Nobby's. And
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they asked her if they could use the store as
their headquarters, because we don't have a town hall, brown
we don't even have stop lot, and she said yes.
Then they asked her, do you know somebody at my interview?
So she called me and asked me. Gave me the
number for this guy out there in LA and I
called him and I said, Okay, I'll do it. I'll
talk about the things I've experienced, I'll talk about what
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I've learned from people, but you're going to have to
silhouette me and disguise my voice. So they agree, the
time came, they filled and then about six months later
they aired it, except they forgot the disguise moubles. And
when something happens around here in this community, it doesn't
take long for everybody to know it. So everybody in
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three counties knew that it was that dude that works
at the store that was on a Bigfoot documentary talking
about this thing. I suffered from the same fear as
everybody else did. Fear of ridicule. I feared somebody mocking
me or doing something to push me to the point
of me losing my temper or something like that. But
it never happened. It never happened, not one time. And
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then the dangerous thing happened. People started coming to the store,
a few at a time telling me their stories. Some
of them required anonymity, some of them didn't, And so
I started having the great vantage point of being able
to hear people's stories, which that's my love. I want
to hear about people's experiences from their mouths, with their words,
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and I was privileged enough for that to start happening now. Meanwhile,
my cousin and four or five other people that rounded
after group. My cousin came on board on the big
Foot track. He said, can we do a cap out?
I said sure, absolutely. This was in November of twenty twenty,
before that show ever aired, so I was still kind
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of in the shadows. We set up in a creek
bottom devised our game plan. About nine point thirty that night,
we went on a Nike hike. It was mostly without incidant,
except to say we heard a tree knock. The tree
knock came from a direction in the woods where there's
just woods laid note of that. We would stop and
sit and listen, and then start until we reached our
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terminus point. We turned around and started heading back to camp.
In about five minutes from getting to camp, a rock
came in from our right. That part of the property
was logged about ten years ago, so it was fairly
thick with undergrows and saplings. The rock came out, barely
missed my friend's head I'm going to say six or
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eight inches, and landed in the trail next to our left.
We saw it hit and roll and everybody stopped. I
never thought that I would be witnessed to something like that,
so big rock, and it came in not like a
baseball throw, but like a mortar ramp, a big arch
on it. Had that hit one of us in the head,
we would have definitely been heading to the hospital, hopefully
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not the funeral. So that became a thing for us
that group. We would camp out once in the late winter,
once in the spring. Meanwhile, I was fortunate enough to
meet Bob Trent and Dwight Campbell now Bob and DWIGHTE
and Tim Dill's started the group. That's the time it
was called Dirty South Squatching. Now it's called Sasquatch recon
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But I reached out to Dwight and I said, hey, man,
I've got a million questions. I don't have anybody to
talk to. Nobody was the experience. I'm getting to hear
people's stories, but all of us are in the same boat.
We're having these experiences. I can read and I can
watch documentaries, but it's not the same as talking to
a man or a woman who's been boots on the
ground and who have had their own experiences. And that
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those fellows had a tremendous amount of woods tile under
their belt. So they started bringing me along. We did
another camp out the following year in November. This was,
I guess you would say the fourth most significant sighting
that I ever experienced. We did the exact same thing.
This group, including my cousin his wife. We decided, actually
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he decided, he said, Hey, I'm going to bring my
wife to see if having a female in the group
makes any difference. So we really didn't experience anything. We
went on a night hike and we got to the
end where we would always stop just sit down and listen.
And my cousin had bought a thermal scope, and everybody
was watching their sector. We were listening and I hear
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him comming name. He said, Jerry, come here, come in.
She was holding the scope. He said, don't move the
sk go just put your eye to it and look.
And as I did, I could see the signature of
a large tree, but on each side of the tree
was some heat, and immediately to me it looked like shoulders,
and I was studying that picture, and suddenly it peeked
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out around from the tree and I could see the
heat signature of a face, definitely different than a human.
You could tell that there was a lot of hair,
and I said, it just looked at me. He said,
it's been doing that for several minutes, and I watched
it and it did it again. Several of us got
our turn looking through that thermal scope, and then my
cousin got the scope back and he was keeping us
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all updated. He said, okay, it's moving. My first thought
it was coming toward us, and I was excited and
scared at the same time. He said, no, it's moving backward.
It was literally walking backwards, and finally it walked in
such a manner that it got out of the line
of sight. The tree was no longer blocking it for
just a couple of seconds before it disappeared into the brush.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
After we discussed that, and when we waited. Oh, and
we also picked up the smell. I left that part out,
the heavy smell, the classic coop mixed with maybe a
tiny bit of skunk or wet dog or god knows what.
But we just sat and waited, hoping it would come back,
or hoping one of its friends would come back. And
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it did not. We hiked back to camp. We set
around the campfire for a little bit. We all went
to bed. At three o'clock in the morning. We woke
up and we were surrounded on three sides. They were
moving off in the brush on three sides of us,
walking slowly. Several people in the group were terrified. I
listened to the creature's walk, and I guess I must
have been really tired. We couldn't see anything with the thermal.
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They were too deep into the brush, as the Appalachian
brush can be very deep, especially in a creep bottom.
So I fell asleep, woke up the next morning, and
two people actually stayed awake all night and they said
that for another hour they heard the creatures walking around us.
People will say, was that a bear. No, bears don't
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travel in numbers like that, and bears aren't gonna split
up to surround the camp. That's not a bear's behavior.
Do you think it was people? And my answer is
always not around here, because they know better. If you're
creeping around somebody's house or somebody's camp at night, you
may not come out of it too well. So Bob,
Tim and Dwight would come up here some and we
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would just set up their equipment and here and there
we got some good evidence. But along the way, Bright,
there's been so many different incidents, and honestly, usually they
catch me off guard. I've been armed with the Sony
stereophonic recorder now for about three and a half years,
got a couple hundred hours of wood knocks and whoops
and howls. I haven't heard the howls many time, but
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that's the most terrifying of the sounds that we hear.
This howl. The first time that I heard it, it
haunted me because it was so close down there in
the creek bottom, and I couldn't get it off my mind.
Then another incident occurred the bottom of my pasture. If
I have an animal on account it for, I have
to go find it. This one particular night, I was
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down looking for the animal and I heard whistling from
the woods. Wasn't a bird. I'm a western North Carolina boy.
I'm going to tell you every night sound a bird
will make everyday sound, and it was not. Then a
couple weeks later, same scenario. I was just sweeping the
woods with my spotlight and I hit a pair of
red eyes, which unnerved me. I had seen green eye
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shine a number of occasions, but of course the red
eye shine stood out. I'd never seen that, and I
knew it wasn't a fox or a panther. They'll have
more of an orangish red, even a yellow, but the
height and the distance between those two eyes. Then another occasion,
same thing, going after one of my animals to go
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get it. It got down at the bottom of the
hill and I got yelled at it was either it
took a deep breath in or blew a deep breath
out and then yelled, growled extremely loudly, and I had
gotten to the point that I didn't want to go
in the woods at all by myself, which is completely
and totally out of my character. That last thing that
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happened with the growl, it was thirty forty feet from
me into the woodline. It was that close. I was
under I don't know a spell, I don't know what
to call it. I was in a mental funk. I
went so far as to talk to my friend who's
a retired counselor. He gave me some pointers. Then my
cousin's mothers gave me a pep talk, said, look, you
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just need to pray for protection. Don't do anything dumb,
just be observant. Nothing down there's going to hurt you.
And she had a point because out of all the
people that I had spoken with who had come to
me with their stories, never heard a story of anyone
being hurt, actually hurt. The closest thing we get is
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the rock throw I've been present for three different rock
throwing incidents now, and the last time happened in August
of last year. My wife and I was walking in
the creek in a more remote area, an area we'd
never been. We got a couple of woodenknocks, one on
each side of the creek. And this was broad daylight.
Mind you, here, we don't have virtually anything happens bigfoot
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wise in the daytime. Maybe three times have I heard
of vocalization during the daylight. But these woodenknocks came from
both sides of us, fairly close. I'm gonna say fifty
to seventy five feet. We stopped. I talked her into
taking a knee, and we just watched and listened. She
watched one direction, I watched the other. We had nothing
further happen, so we got up to start walking. Just
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about five minutes on the creek, a rock come in
as a piece of quartz. It was a little bit
smaller in the soft ball, a little bit bigger than
the baseball, and it missed her head by six inches.
I was directly behind her, and I saw the rock
as it went over her head and it splashed in
the water. And I thought to myself, if this creature
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wanted to hurt one of us, it's close enough. Obviously
it could hit us if it wanted to. My wife
she said, we're gone. She said, you can stay here
if you want to. She looked like she was water
skiing on that creek without a both pulling her. Hopefully
she'll go back in the woods with me. Sometimes that
was pretty scary, especially considering she's had far less experiences
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than I have. She's had a number of experiences, but
that would have been her first close end encounters. We
continue to hear the vocalizations this time of year where
I live, cold weather is when things ramp up. The
thing that I was told way back by some of
the old timers that here where I live, i'm at
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the foot of the South Mountains, that these creatures during
the summer, the older ones and the ones who are
infirm may move back to higher ground because it's cooler
in the summer of one thousand and fifteen hundred feet higher,
and it may be the younger ones stay back to
make sure that they still have a claim on their territory.
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I think that we have two groups. I think we
have one clan living southwest of US, and I think
we have another clan of them living separate north of US.
Found footprints in both locations. Another huge piece of evidence
is the deer kills that we find, not just one
or two. But we've found two different areas with just
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a lot of deer kills. You're talking in each area
less than an acre. We see the ribs are broken,
they're literally snapped inwards. We find that the deers had
broken legs, twisted necks, and both areas are in a
place where it's the ideal spot if you're going to
do the weight and ambush style of kill. I believe
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that they have the chasers or the pushers, and humans
do this too. Then you have the watchers or the waiters.
They get in the holler on each side. The pushers
push the deer, hen they funnel into the holler, and
they kill them. I think when they grab them, they
do whatever they have to do to immobilize that deer.
However it works out they're able to break a leg first,
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or they're able to just crush the rib cage or
break the neck. I'm gonna say we found at least
fourteen different carcasses in different stages of decay with these
very odd injuries. I found a deer that had both
of its front legs pulled off together the legs were
still attached. I think I mentioned finding footprints. I have
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found now a couple dozen different footprints. In some cases
I found a whole line of tracks. I found tracks
from six in all the way up to seventeen inches.
I think that usually what we find our juvenile tracks,
or let me quantify that by saying, I believe that
they're adolescent tracks, and I believe the adolescents are just
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like human adolescents, more care free, less experienced, less wise,
and they're more prone to leave some careless footprints here there.
They've made a habit of coming here up the hill,
out of the woods, literally into our backyard. One of
their favorite things is to help themselves to some grain
out of the barrels in the barn, which is fine
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with me. I'll share more times than I've kept count of.
In the middle of the night, twelve o'clock, one o'clock,
two o'clock in the morning, we're awakened by something banging
the living hell out of the side of our house.
The most recent thing similar to that was something hit
the floor of our front porch it's a wooden porch,
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and knocked one of the rocking chairs off the porch.
We've had our long furniture. One time in particular, Natcy
went outside in our little long table out there that
we set around sipped coffee. It was turned upside down
and twenty feet away from the lord it's supposed to be.
The chairs were scattered. I had some coals winged up
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against one of my dog kennels. Those were scattered all about.
My wife had a sink that she would use to
wash the dogs in. That sink was in two pieces
and strown. There was some just a number of different objects,
and it looked like a group of adolescent bogers, as
we call them. I think they did it just for mischief.
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I think they're the same as adolescent humans would be.
I used to keep a record of each and every
individual vocalization that I heard, each and every incident that occurred.
I should still be doing that if I was disciplined enough.
But it just became too numerous, it became too tedious.
So what I try to stay on top of now
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is if the major things that happened, I make sure
that I write them now was fresh in my mind,
or do a video. The most recent, very significant thing
that happened back in June, I went outside to check
on the animals because my neighbor's dogs were absolutely going crazy.
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We've had that occur before, and it proved that we
had a creature or too close to the pasture. So
I went into the pasture. The goats and the alpacas
were all against the eastern side of my fence. The
alpacas had assumed a guard stance. They were on alert. Now,
alpacas are very good guard animals, and they make a
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warning sound, the high pitched things, and they were doing that,
and I looked to ascertain what direction they were staring at,
because they certainly were staring in one direction. I ran
back inside and grabbed my fall in a better spotlight,
and I came out and started spotlight in the woods
and systematically taking my way over to where they were
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staring at it. Because I had spotlighted, at first, I
didn't see anything, and I just kept sweeping back and forth.
Finally I opened my phone up and I took my
video and I zoomed in. I was using my phone
more as binoculars at the time. I didn't have any
night vision anything like that. The only piece of equipment
I had was my recorder and lo and behold about
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the last fifteen seconds of the video. Around one hundred
forty yards down the hill diagonally southwest of me, there
was this tall, either gray or wide creature that just
walked into plain sight there where I was spotlighting. It
almost seemed to stop and look at me, and then
(26:44):
it looked away and it disappeared. I can't say that
is a foresure bigfoot sighting. My old personal theory is
that as an elderly Sasquatch, There's been a number of
witnesses that I've interviewed over the last four years that
reported see a gray or a white Sasquatch. I think
I was seeing that. I think that it was older
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and it had slimmed down, just like a human wood
when you get older. Some people get older and they
get really skinny. I had Bob and Dwhite. They came out,
and Bob set his cameras up and we did a recreation.
He set the cameras up where I was filming that night.
We were very fortunate because the creature was near fence
post in a writing ring, and these fence posts on
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six feet high, so we had that measurement to go
off of, and by the time we did the recreation,
conservatively eight and a half feet probably nine feet talk.
I had a sighting of something I couldn't swear one
hundred percent rind that it was a sasquatch, but it
wasn't a human being. It was definitely not a human being.
Very significant footage. I've sent it to some people, and
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I'll certainly send it to you if you would like
to see it and give me your take on it.
Because I read your book. You got some good takes
on everything, Bro, I will gladly do that. So now
where I'm at right now, all of these experiences that
I've had, the vocalizations, You've got tree knocks, whoops, this yell,
this growling, hollow the house. And again, I've heard the howls,
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definitely less than twelve times. I'm going to say eight
or ten times. That's the most terrifying of the things
we hear. We've heard the whistling. I've heard them mimicking owls.
I've heard them mimicking dogs. I've heard of mimicking coyotes.
And I saved one for last because this one is
going to spark your imagination. I had a friend who
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wanted to come camping here with his family. He brought
his seven year old nine year old, his wife, his
nineteen year old, twenty one year old, and they camped
in the creek by them, same spot where we always camp.
That night, Daddy was asleep, Mama was falling asleep. The
kids walker up and said, Mama, there's somebody in the woods.
She got out of the tent and she heard a
voice up in the laurel thicket and she said, I
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don't know what it was saying. It was some kind
of a language that I don't understand. I didn't understand.
I've never heard anything like it, And so she said,
I am so sorry if we disturbed you. We will
try to keep it down, and immediately off in another direction.
Another gibberish voice that sounded very angry responded to her,
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and then finally the original one that will speaking this
gibberish language said something else, and so the family gathered around.
She woke dad up, and they really didn't know what
to do. They eventually, within ten minutes were surrounded on
several sides as well, so they elected to pack up
that night and get out of there. They were camping
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off the old logging road down there, so you can
get a truck in there. Fortunately they had their truck,
just threw all their gear, willing nearly in the truck
and got out. Sent me a text for me to see,
oh look up to say call me asap. They told
me the story. So I've never heard the gibberish, but
now that has been documented to have taken place here
in this area.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And stay tuned for more Sasquat chat to see we'll
be right back after these messages. It sounds very similar
because we're both in North Carolina. I think you're about
an hour and a half away from me, give or takes.
The crow flies having these experiences, and that is the
first thing that we had happened on our property was
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the vocalizations. I think you and I talked about that
when we were in Westminster just a couple of months ago.
And that is a very unnerving thing in and of itself.
The first time we heard it, it was probably a mile
and a half away in this big area behind us that's.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Nothing but woods.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's something different when it's forty yards from your house.
And that's what we experienced. I've said it many times
on the show. I've said it as a guest on
another podcast. I stopped doing night hikes after that, because
it was so close. It was clearly a large animal
with a huge lung capacity to make those kind of noises.
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People have asked me, when you heard that forty yards
from the house, why didn't you go see what it was?
I was like, bring your ass down here and go
out in the middle of the night. When something that
big is making that kind of vocalization forty yards from
your house, why don't you go let me know what
it is? Cause I can tell you there's not a
ton of stories out there of people being hurt by
these creatures, But I was literally working on a story
(31:17):
that I'm going to post probably tomorrow over on Backwoods
Bigfoot Stories, one of my other podcasts about a Yupik
woman from Alaska sharing a story from nineteen sixty two
when her village was under attack by what appears to
be a rogue male sasquatch that was actually taking children
in the area. A couple of hunters went out to
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check their trap lines and they didn't come back to
the village, and they ended up having to go out
and hunt this thing down, and they, according to her,
killed one of the creatures, a male and the female.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Stayed in the area.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I too have experienced these rock throwing incidents that you
talked about when I was up in Radium Gosh, it
was the end of twenty twenty three when I was
up there with tired standing on a expedition in his area.
We had rocks thrown at us two different occasions. But
it was small rocks while we were sitting around the fire,
and they were throwing them and hitting the campers next
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to us, making those noises, throwing them on top of
the campers, throwing them at the side of the campers.
It was clearly, at least for me, it felt like
playful behavior. It wasn't anything like you described. But there
are people who have been out in the woods and
had rocks thrown at them very much like you described earlier.
If these things had actually made contact and hit somebody,
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this is going to be sad singing and flower bringing
either at the hospital of the Morgue. So I think
you're right in that if these things do want to
hurt you, they certainly have the capacity to do that.
I want to go back to the first sighting that
you and your wife Nancy had when you guys saw
this creature and some of the other experiences that you've
had where you actually got to see these things. Can
you give us a description of exactly what you saw,
(32:54):
the hair, the face, whatever details you can recall. Can
you talk a little bit more about the description of
what you saw?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Sure, sure the hair was not sure, but it was
a hanging down a great length. But it was let's
call it very shaggy. Uneven. The first one we saw
definitely had really dark brown hair. The conical head stood
out immediately. The shoulders four foot or more wide, maybe
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five foot. And I remember thinking that night as I
lay in bed, I couldn't go to sleep thinking about
the size of the thighs. It reminded me of Earl Campbell.
Now that's not a name a lot of people recognized,
but Earl Campbell, the football player for Houston Orders, who
had thighs the size of oak tree trunks. And it
made Earl Campbell's size look small. Just the power if
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that animal could have charged our car or whatever it
is the creature, the animal could have charged our car
with what I was seeing, with the size of it,
I don't know, busted on and yanked one of us
out or something. The second one, the smaller one, had
more of a reddish hair. It had some darker patches
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in it, but it was more of a red brown color.
I estimated about five foot tall, all of the same features,
except downsized. Then the third time that guy there, it
was the same as the first, just in that split second,
and I didn't see it as good as I did
on our road side siding, but it looked like very
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dark either extremely dark brown hair or black colored hair.
The size of the head really stood out on that occasion,
and there was a tree in the background. We had
that to go off of. My relative is a military
person as well, very analytical, and so the next day
in the daylight, we went down there and started extrapolating
(34:46):
some We've had the reports of the gray ones, the
reddish brown ones, the black ones, the ones with mixed
black and brown color, the whole gamut around here around
the South Mountains area.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It's interesting that you talked about the lighter colored one
because I interviewed a guy who was probably last year
for the show, and his sighting happened back in the
early seventies as a kid when he was out playing
hide and seek in a neighborhood that backed up to
a bunch of woods that were basically in a cul
de sac surrounded by mountains and forest, and he described
(35:21):
seeing a white sasquatch that stepped out in front of
these boys and then ended up stepping over a six
foot fence, cleared it easily, and made its way off
into the woods. It's rare that you hear, or at
least for me, and I've interviewed a ton of people
that have seen a very light colored sasquatch like that.
He described it as being white, almost like people see
(35:43):
a yetty or abominable snowman. It's very interesting. This guy
was in North Carolina as well, who was around the
Charlotte area actually, So it's interesting to me that the
few people that I've interviewed, you're the second person that
has seen a white sasquatch in North Carolina. There's got
to be something to that. There's a lot of people
(36:03):
that postulate that there's all kinds of different I don't
want to say species, but subspecies or different types of sasquatch.
I certainly think that is possible. And I think, just
very much like other animals, like human beings, for example,
if these things are closer to us, they're probably going
to differ very similar to us. You and I look different.
There's eight billion people in the world and we all
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look different, right unless you're a twin and you have
an identical twin. So I think that is a very
possible thing that these things adapt to the areas that
they're in. It makes them look a little bit different.
But a white sasquatch certainly has stuck out to me.
Have you thought about that, given the fact that you've
had these three or four sidings and one of them
was white. I know you mentioned it earlier that you
(36:45):
felt like this was probably an older sasquatch. Is that
kind of your theory on what happens? Very much like
us as they age, the hair grays, very similar to humans.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I do. That's my theory that it just grays. And
by June of this year, I had already interviewed two
people that had seen gray or white sasquatches, and both
of their sightings, the one in particular, they've had creatures
all around them, and this one seemed to take a
leadership role because they were being pursued. Then they came
(37:16):
face to face with this one that was white. Everything stopped.
The ones chasing them quit, the creature just looked at
them and turned and walked off, And when it walked off,
then all the chaos behind them resumed and they had
to continue to run. The second one of the three
that the witness was watching, it just seemed to them
(37:37):
like it was more of a leader. Your eldest, your
most wise, and most experienced, especially in a while, can
be the leader. So I think that's all I did.
I believe they age. Don't know how long they live,
but if they live long enough, they're going to get
white ray, They're going to probably lose some weight, get
a little thinner. There's no doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I want to talk about something else that you mentioned
that is very common in these situations. Sometimes I've interviewed
people who have had these experiences together. Nonah Boss comes
to mind from Florida. I had the privilege of interviewing
Nonah when I was out speaking at the Ozark Mountain
Bigfoot Conference just a couple of months ago, back in October,
and Noah had an experience with her son where they
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saw this creature and they did not talk about it
even amongst themselves. They didn't talk about it for a
very long time. Obviously you and your wife have discussed
this amongst yourselves, but you made the very, in my opinion,
probably warranted decision not to talk to people about your encounter.
Was it simply to do with the ridicule because it
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is such a stigma that seems to still persist when
it comes to these kind of encounters. Was that the
main reason that you decided not to initially talk about it?
And how has that worked.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Out for you? Do you regret it?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I guess is the other part of that question, ever,
regret coming forward and sharing your experiences?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Are you glad that you've come forward and started talking
about this because it has forwarded or it has pushed
your research a little bit further and it brought people
out that are sharing your experiences with you. So I
guess the two parts to just sum it up, was
that initial decision to not tell anybody. Was it simply
based on the fact that you didn't want to be ridiculed? Now?
(39:20):
I guess the second part of that would be, how
has that worked out for you? Since you have obviously
come forward, You're here, you're showing your face, you're talking
on the show. How has that changed for you? And
are you glad that you ultimately came forward to share
your story.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I am glad that I came forward. At the time,
I had two main reasons for wanting us to just
not talk to people about it. Number one, the ridicule,
the stigma, but also because by that time I had
talked to a few people and I knew the rule,
and the rule is around here as in a lot
of places, especially in mountain areas, you don't talk about it.
(39:57):
You have an experience, you don't talk talk about it,
and you certainly don't tell outsiders about The last thing
that I wanted to do was alienate people who had
come to be like family to meet because I did
talk about it. Fast forwarding to now, I'm glad I
did it because it's turned into an awesome thing. Gosh,
(40:18):
I'm getting to be part of so much and doing
traveling and festivals and going to places. We just got
back from the Land between the Lakes. Most of all, though,
I've got to interview so many awesome people, not just
from the South Mountains. I just finished a series Old
Coastal Carolina of folks. Once my TikTok shows started going
them contacting me and say hey, I got a story
(40:40):
I want to tell you, and I always insist at
minimum talking on the phone. I want to meet in
person if possible, but that's not always possible. So if
I'd have stayed low key, I would have never got
to experience these things and start meeting people, making contacts.
Meeting people such as yourself, you start learning and I
am a totally different person. And I was just a
(41:00):
few years ago before I started getting to have conversations
with folks like you, Bob, Tim, George Lunsford, Mark and Groves.
For crying out Loud, I got to hang out with
him for several days, and some other guys up there
at to lb On other people who have reached out
to me. I have learned so much. I have achieved
part of the goalal I certainly nowhere near where I
(41:21):
want to be on the answers and figuring things out. Plus,
when you hear other people talking about their sightings and
their experiences, you feel validated. You don't feel like you're alone,
like you saw something extraordinary that no one else can understand.
So I am very glad. I'm very pleased with the
decision I've had to be diplomatic. Have some talks with
(41:43):
some folks around here to get myself out of hot water,
but they saw it my way.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Let me ask you, this, is this something that I've
started asking a few people over the last few episodes,
because I haven't asked this of everybody because it almost
seems to me. I'm a very flesh and blood guy.
You and I've had that conversation in person. I'm a
flesh and blood guy. I don't get into the high
strangeness or the woo part of this research, but I
think we have to remain open minded. I think we
(42:09):
have to at least consider those things. They are people's experiences,
and there's some weird ass experiences that I've documented on
this show. So let me ask you this. Do you
ever wonder why you have this experience? Because this has
happened to me. I had my sightings last summer. I
had three sidings in two days, and I've asked myself
this multiple times, and it's hard for me to reconcile.
(42:31):
So I'm going to ask you how you feel about this.
Do you ever wonder why you've had these experiences? Do
you think it's a random thing, or do you think
that or feel that there's some reason behind it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I e.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Maybe there is something to this high strangeness part that
there are people out there who believe that these creatures
show themselves to people that are either open to it,
willing to accept it, that they know can handle it,
or maybe you're chosen for another reason. Do you ever
consider that why you've had these experiences? And if so,
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do you think there's something more to it, or you
think it's just you're in the right place at the
right time, or depending on how you look at it,
the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think it's a combination of things. Like I said earlier,
when I started seeing the tree breaks in the woods,
it began to dawn on me. Hey, maybe I'm in
a place that has this big for activity. But I
look back on all the hours that I put into
hiking these woods, even camping by myself, and I'm with you,
By the way, I don't go into the woods no
(43:36):
more to night by myself, but I used to camp
spend a night or two. During the daytime, I would
string up I hammitt in the middle of my height
take a nap. I think that I was being observed.
I believe that they're able to read people. I really
believe that through all of these experiences, especially the sightings
and the rock throwing, there was no aggression showing toward
(43:57):
the creatures by me or anybody who was in any
of the parties. I told my wife and she agreed,
we would never ever harm one of these creatures. So
maybe they have a better sense of reading people than
we do. Then again, they sure did have us several
years to observe us, and then observe us when they
revealed themselves, and they revealed themselves on those occasions, we
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didn't catch the creature by surprise. They're masters of their domain.
I don't believe they're going to be seen unless they
want you to see them, which that's a question. Why
are they revealing them to me or people who are
with me, or people who are here on the property.
Not everybody in this small area of where I live,
and I'm striking it down from the South Mountains to
(44:42):
the area basically my neighborhood, so to speak, some have
seen them. A number of people having same lifestyles, an
outside lifestyle. Several of the people that live near here
are coon hunters, and they're out in the woods at
all times of the day. And Night they've never seen.
My explanation for that is the dog. But anyway, I
(45:03):
don't close myself to the possibility that there's the woo
factor going on.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
A big part of that was some of the things
I've read Brian, but also the story of Skinwalker Ranch
with the two guys that were working for Robert Bigelow
that said they observed a creature come out of kind
of a hole that just developed. And I started thinking, Okay,
I'm still in my camp on the Flesh and Blood,
but this has to be explained. And other people's experiences
(45:39):
that hint at the high strangeness. I don't discount it,
but I need further evidence well for our come out
and say yeah, they're supernatural. If I see one and
it just disappears immediately into another dimension or goes into portal,
all right, I'm on board. But until then, I'm a
flesh and Blood guy, Believe it or night.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
There are skeptics that listen to the show. I'm very skeptical.
I've made no qualms about how skeptical I am. For years,
I was skeptical about whether these creatures.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Existed or not.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Obviously, it took me having that experience where I got
to see these things three times in two days. I
am now one hundred percent in the Knower camp. I
am still very skeptical of people. I'm skeptical of evidence,
and I think that's a healthy skepticism that, frankly, everybody
who's into this subject should have, because there are a
lot of people out there who do hoax things, they
(46:28):
do make up tales. There are skeptics who listen to
the show. So let's pretend for a second you're talking
directly to those skeptics. Let's say there was a skeptic
sitting right here right now. What is it that you
want people that hear your experiences and hear this episode.
What do you want them to take away and understand
about what you've experienced and these creatures in general.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
By the way, I wholehearted livery skepticism is absolutely vital.
I've been burned a couple of times by people who
were hopesing, and it was because I didn't maintain that
s depth by step skepticism and I wanted to believe
it too bad before I did my homework. So skepticism
is extremely important. But what I would ask people to
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consider are a number of things. The knowledge that I've accumulated,
especially going back into the days of the Native Americans.
You get into Cherokee, and I'm a percentage Cherokee, about
a third. There's three names for bigfoot in the Cherokee.
And if you look across the entire spectrum of Native
Americans North America, all the way up into Alaska, even
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into Central and South America, you see these native peoples
all have these descriptions of these upright hairy commonides. That
alone is enough to if I didn't believe right now,
that would scoop me a lot closer to believing, because
you have to explain these things. Skeptics want us to
explain the evidence. But by the same token, if there's
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disbelief to satisfy me, you're gonna have to give me
your take on why evidence I've presented doesn't sway you
any then. Certainly, all of my experiences, I've absolutely had
no reason whatsoever, especially financial. I've not made a dime
off of this, other than getting a free jacket one time.
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But that's not why I'm in it. My wife people,
relatives who have come here on the property, friends who
have had these different experiences, people who live near me.
I ask you to consider all of that, and if
you're a skeptic, that's good, but you've got to explain
the phenomena that we're experiencing. Then there's the accounts people
have shared with me around the South Mountains area. I'm
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at about twenty eight people that I've interviewed, stretching a
huge time frame. And these are folks, these are country folks,
these are mountain people. Some of them never spoke of
it to anyone outside of one or two people. You've
got to account for what these people have seen over
the years. People who live here in this is a
wilderness area. We know what a bear looks like, we
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know everything there is to know about the wildlife. But
folks have had encounters that contravene anything indicating that it
might be a bear or whatever. Bears get a lot
of the blame. And then finally, I say, you got
to step back and look at the totality of the picture.
All of the eyewitness testimonies from a cross time from
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Native American days all the way up to now, and
then worldwide, all of the experiences people have reported, and
there are good photographs, there are good videos, There are
thousands of good footprints that have been found, cast photographs,
scientifically collected. Folks who very smart, who came to the conclusion.
(49:43):
Grover Krantz one of my heroes, a guy that risked
his career. He came forward after studying the situation, just
like doctor Meldrim did, and said, we're professors, but we
believe that these creatures exist. Just so many intellectual people
over the years who have fought to get people to
be open. So all of this has got to be
explained from the Native American. I hate to use the
(50:05):
word lord, but we'll say that Native American lore all
the way on now, everything, the whole totality. And I've
never had a skeptic explain things away adequately. And I've
also never had a skeptic take me up on the
offer to come down here and camp in this creek
bottom by their selves.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
You've mentioned it a couple of times. Let's talk a
little bit about your research group, Let's talk about your
TikTok YouTube. Let them know where they can find.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
You, all right, I am so blessed to be a
part of two groups, sasquatch Ricon. You'll find sasquatch Ricon
on YouTube. And I'm also a member of NCI with
George Lonsford, Tim Dills, Brian Sawyer, Robert Efler, Greg Ogles,
Natalie Smearman. We got a big team. Now we do
a show on Channel twelve TV network, the NCI Show,
(50:53):
and between all of us we make a lot of
podcast appearances. Now I've maintained my personal show that began
on TikTok. It's under j period r a period meal Wood.
That's where I'm telling about people's encounters as they've shared
them with me. YouTube, same thing, same accounts, but on
YouTube it's called Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia and Rebels
(51:14):
Dark Tales of Coastal Carolina. You can find me on Facebook,
Jerry Millwood Junior. I will accept friends until I'm at
five thousand and they say can't come in email. You
can email me at Rebel twelve, Rebel the word Rebel one,
two rants, r nts at yahoo dot com. You can
(51:35):
reach out to me on any of these platforms, and
I try my very best to get back with everybody there.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
You have it, folks, I will link to that stuff
in the show notes. You guys go over and check
it out. Show Jerry some love, man. It has been
an honored a pleasure to have you on the show.
Had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much
for coming on and sharing your experiences with us.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Thank you for having me brother. It absolutely was a blast.
And you don't know how much it meant to me.
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Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
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you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
out here? Did you see what it was? It was
enough out here looking them do the one down now
and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
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hit the boddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
I've thought of a bitch of about tech foot nine.
I don't know. Easy am out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Our folks will walk up. My guest to the show.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It is Jerry from North Carolina. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Man. Thank you for having me. What an honor. I
appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I am glad to have you here.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I say this every time this happens.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's rare.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
These days that I actually get to meet somebody in
person and then have them on the show. It is
one of my favorite things in the world to actually
meet somebody in person and then get them on the
show to talk about their experiences. You and I hung
out together up in South Carolina at the Westminster Bigfoot
Festival just a couple of months ago. We're not here
to talk about that, though, We're here to talk about
your experiences. I'm going to start where I start with
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everybody when I bring them on the show. What in
the world got you interested in the subject of bigfoot
sasquatch to begin with, you call.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
It a three. When I was a kid I fifty
eight now, so in the seventies, the movie that initially
caught my attention was The Legend of Boggie Creek. My
granddaddy took me to see it, and gosh, being a
kid that was raised in the country in the woods,
that captured my imagination and made me think. But as
I grew older, of course I never disbelieved, but it
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certainly was something that was far out of my mind.
I checked a book out at Fort Bragg Library when
I was stationed there, and it was called The Bigfoot
Case book, and lo and behold, I found a whole
mess of sightings from the area in and around where
I grew up in North Carolina. So that kind of
snagged my attention a little bit, made me want to
see a couple of the other movies that came out
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after Legend of Bogie Creek. But fast forward from then
to about twenty thirteen. The summer of twenty thirteen, so
we bought this place here in the foothills of North Carolina,
middle of nowhere. I have tens of thousands of aker's
of wilderness around me to explore in Roland. So we
bought the place and we started coming up on the weekends.
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Before we moved lock Stock and Beryl and I started hiking.
Brother and I hiked. I would leave out on a
Sunday morning. I'd be gone all day, and I started
finding tree breaks. I had no clue. I wasn't a
Sasquatch guy, other than to say I liked it from
an entertainment standpoint. But I found one, and then two,
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and then three, and then four and so on, And
finally I was watching something on TV. I forget the show,
but I saw a guy there. He's written several books,
and his name escaped me. He wrote Beyond Boggy Creek
in that whole series of books. I emailed him and
I said, can you tell me about these tree breaks?
Does that mean anything? Because they were mentioned in that
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little documentary I watched, and he said, yeah, it definitely
means something. If you're finding a lot of them. They're
all broken up high broken while they're alive, or broken
while they were green, as we say, so, that really
put it on my radar. My mind is beginning to
think could it be possible. I started reading more, watching
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more documentaries, but then totally out of nowhere. In August
of twenty seventeen, my wife and I turned on to
the road we live on. It's about nine thirty at night.
There was a cornfield off on the left, and as
we made the right hand turn, it lit that cornfield
up and that there was one standing outside the corn
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just a few feet from the road. Though it was
a split second, that image burned into my mind. As
it registered, I hit the brakes and I said, keep
an eye on it. I wanted to back the car
up and put the headlights on the cornfield. By the
time I got situated the creature was already in the
corn butt. You could see above the corn stalks its
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head as it walked away. It wasn't running, that certainly
was moving at a pretty good pace, large distance between
its steps. That night, the bug bit me. That's what
I like to say. That bug bit me, and I
went to a state of wanting answers. I wanted to
know as much as possible. I had to woe the
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reins back on that horse, because I would teeter on obsession.
The one saving grace there in the beginning was me
and my wife decided not to talk to anybody about
it outside of just a couple of people. Then we
had some other experiences. We had some vocalizations that we
begin to hear, And just to hitch you with my theory,
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I believe it was a time period when this group,
with this clan of Sasquatches had moved into the area,
because I fully believed that they wronged their nomadic so
to speak. Who knows why, but lots of vocalizations, the
tree knocks and the whoops all the while, I've got
it in the back of my head are we being hoaxed?
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And the longer it went, the more that I came
to the reality that we were not being coached unless
there was an entire team of oaksures who were working
twelve hour shifts after the sunsets to three or four
in the morning. Then in twenty nineteen, I saw two
different creatures at two different times. One was standing just
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outside the woodline. That was another split second thing. It
appeared very much smaller than the first one I saw.
I could tell that it was same species, but I
think it was probably a juvenile five feet tall something
like that. A couple months later, December of twenty nineteen,
a family member of mine was staying here with us
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for the Christmas holidays, and we both got to see
another one. And now this one was back to being
a creature that was full grown. We extrapolated based on
the tree that we saw it standing near that night,
it'd be about seven and a half foot tall, the
broad shoulders, the no neck, the big size. I remembered
that about the first sighting of just how much it
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struck me of how gargantuan this thing was in wits
not to mention hot, And that was a split couple
of seconds and it was gone. It cleared my four
foot filled fence just stepped over it and was gone.
I began to spend a huge amount of time outside
at nay. I always go out to check on my
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farm animals. You never know. We have lamas, alpacas, goats, turkeys,
the whole gamut, and we have a bunch of dogs.
Right now, I think we're at eleven. So the nighttime,
I would start taking a dog or two out at
a time, and I would try to spend at least
an hour outside listening. We begin to accumulate these experiences.
I took the risk of deciding to talk to a
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few people who live local, and a couple of those
risks I took paid off tremendously because I found a
neighbor of hours. They were willing to share the experiences
that they had. I just kept going. I had a
little more boldness. I wasn't ready to come out and
tell the world I believe in Sasquatch. I believe I've
seen them. There was just a real small circle of
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people that I talked to about it. And then in
twenty twenty, I had taken a job here to small
town a chaser on your line, and the lady that
owned the store was in our inner circle. So she
got a call one day from Fox Nation. They advised
her that they were will be doing a documentary about
our local Bigfoot. We'd call them Nobby or Nobby's. And
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they asked her if they could use the store as
their headquarters, because we don't have a town hall, brown
we don't even have stop lot, and she said yes.
Then they asked her, do you know somebody at my interview?
So she called me and asked me. Gave me the
number for this guy out there in LA and I
called him and I said, Okay, I'll do it. I'll
talk about the things I've experienced, I'll talk about what
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I've learned from people, but you're going to have to
silhouette me and disguise my voice. So they agree, the
time came, they filled and then about six months later
they aired it, except they forgot the disguise moubles. And
when something happens around here in this community, it doesn't
take long for everybody to know it. So everybody in
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three counties knew that it was that dude that works
at the store that was on a Bigfoot documentary talking
about this thing. I suffered from the same fear as
everybody else did. Fear of ridicule. I feared somebody mocking
me or doing something to push me to the point
of me losing my temper or something like that. But
it never happened. It never happened, not one time. And
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then the dangerous thing happened. People started coming to the store,
a few at a time telling me their stories. Some
of them required anonymity, some of them didn't, And so
I started having the great vantage point of being able
to hear people's stories, which that's my love. I want
to hear about people's experiences from their mouths, with their words,
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and I was privileged enough for that to start happening now. Meanwhile,
my cousin and four or five other people that rounded
after group. My cousin came on board on the big
Foot track. He said, can we do a cap out?
I said sure, absolutely. This was in November of twenty twenty,
before that show ever aired, so I was still kind
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of in the shadows. We set up in a creek
bottom devised our game plan. About nine point thirty that night,
we went on a Nike hike. It was mostly without incidant,
except to say we heard a tree knock. The tree
knock came from a direction in the woods where there's
just woods laid note of that. We would stop and
sit and listen, and then start until we reached our
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terminus point. We turned around and started heading back to camp.
In about five minutes from getting to camp, a rock
came in from our right. That part of the property
was logged about ten years ago, so it was fairly
thick with undergrows and saplings. The rock came out, barely
missed my friend's head I'm going to say six or
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eight inches, and landed in the trail next to our left.
We saw it hit and roll and everybody stopped. I
never thought that I would be witnessed to something like that,
so big rock, and it came in not like a
baseball throw, but like a mortar ramp, a big arch
on it. Had that hit one of us in the head,
we would have definitely been heading to the hospital, hopefully
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not the funeral. So that became a thing for us
that group. We would camp out once in the late winter,
once in the spring. Meanwhile, I was fortunate enough to
meet Bob Trent and Dwight Campbell now Bob and DWIGHTE
and Tim Dill's started the group. That's the time it
was called Dirty South Squatching. Now it's called Sasquatch recon
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But I reached out to Dwight and I said, hey, man,
I've got a million questions. I don't have anybody to
talk to. Nobody was the experience. I'm getting to hear
people's stories, but all of us are in the same boat.
We're having these experiences. I can read and I can
watch documentaries, but it's not the same as talking to
a man or a woman who's been boots on the
ground and who have had their own experiences. And that
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those fellows had a tremendous amount of woods tile under
their belt. So they started bringing me along. We did
another camp out the following year in November. This was,
I guess you would say the fourth most significant sighting
that I ever experienced. We did the exact same thing.
This group, including my cousin his wife. We decided, actually
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he decided, he said, Hey, I'm going to bring my
wife to see if having a female in the group
makes any difference. So we really didn't experience anything. We
went on a night hike and we got to the
end where we would always stop just sit down and listen.
And my cousin had bought a thermal scope, and everybody
was watching their sector. We were listening and I hear
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him comming name. He said, Jerry, come here, come in.
She was holding the scope. He said, don't move the
sk go just put your eye to it and look.
And as I did, I could see the signature of
a large tree, but on each side of the tree
was some heat, and immediately to me it looked like shoulders,
and I was studying that picture, and suddenly it peeked
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out around from the tree and I could see the
heat signature of a face, definitely different than a human.
You could tell that there was a lot of hair,
and I said, it just looked at me. He said,
it's been doing that for several minutes, and I watched
it and it did it again. Several of us got
our turn looking through that thermal scope, and then my
cousin got the scope back and he was keeping us
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all updated. He said, okay, it's moving. My first thought
it was coming toward us, and I was excited and
scared at the same time. He said, no, it's moving backward.
It was literally walking backwards, and finally it walked in
such a manner that it got out of the line
of sight. The tree was no longer blocking it for
just a couple of seconds before it disappeared into the brush.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
After we discussed that, and when we waited. Oh, and
we also picked up the smell. I left that part out,
the heavy smell, the classic coop mixed with maybe a
tiny bit of skunk or wet dog or god knows what.
But we just sat and waited, hoping it would come back,
or hoping one of its friends would come back. And
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it did not. We hiked back to camp. We set
around the campfire for a little bit. We all went
to bed. At three o'clock in the morning. We woke
up and we were surrounded on three sides. They were
moving off in the brush on three sides of us,
walking slowly. Several people in the group were terrified. I
listened to the creature's walk, and I guess I must
have been really tired. We couldn't see anything with the thermal.
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They were too deep into the brush, as the Appalachian
brush can be very deep, especially in a creep bottom.
So I fell asleep, woke up the next morning, and
two people actually stayed awake all night and they said
that for another hour they heard the creatures walking around us.
People will say, was that a bear. No, bears don't
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travel in numbers like that, and bears aren't gonna split
up to surround the camp. That's not a bear's behavior.
Do you think it was people? And my answer is
always not around here, because they know better. If you're
creeping around somebody's house or somebody's camp at night, you
may not come out of it too well. So Bob,
Tim and Dwight would come up here some and we
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would just set up their equipment and here and there
we got some good evidence. But along the way, Bright,
there's been so many different incidents, and honestly, usually they
catch me off guard. I've been armed with the Sony
stereophonic recorder now for about three and a half years,
got a couple hundred hours of wood knocks and whoops
and howls. I haven't heard the howls many time, but
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that's the most terrifying of the sounds that we hear.
This howl. The first time that I heard it, it
haunted me because it was so close down there in
the creek bottom, and I couldn't get it off my mind.
Then another incident occurred the bottom of my pasture. If
I have an animal on account it for, I have
to go find it. This one particular night, I was
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down looking for the animal and I heard whistling from
the woods. Wasn't a bird. I'm a western North Carolina boy.
I'm going to tell you every night sound a bird
will make everyday sound, and it was not. Then a
couple weeks later, same scenario. I was just sweeping the
woods with my spotlight and I hit a pair of
red eyes, which unnerved me. I had seen green eye
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shine a number of occasions, but of course the red
eye shine stood out. I'd never seen that, and I
knew it wasn't a fox or a panther. They'll have
more of an orangish red, even a yellow, but the
height and the distance between those two eyes. Then another occasion,
same thing, going after one of my animals to go
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get it. It got down at the bottom of the
hill and I got yelled at it was either it
took a deep breath in or blew a deep breath
out and then yelled, growled extremely loudly, and I had
gotten to the point that I didn't want to go
in the woods at all by myself, which is completely
and totally out of my character. That last thing that
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happened with the growl, it was thirty forty feet from
me into the woodline. It was that close. I was
under I don't know a spell, I don't know what
to call it. I was in a mental funk. I
went so far as to talk to my friend who's
a retired counselor. He gave me some pointers. Then my
cousin's mothers gave me a pep talk, said, look, you
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just need to pray for protection. Don't do anything dumb,
just be observant. Nothing down there's going to hurt you.
And she had a point because out of all the
people that I had spoken with who had come to
me with their stories, never heard a story of anyone
being hurt, actually hurt. The closest thing we get is
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the rock throw I've been present for three different rock
throwing incidents now, and the last time happened in August
of last year. My wife and I was walking in
the creek in a more remote area, an area we'd
never been. We got a couple of woodenknocks, one on
each side of the creek. And this was broad daylight.
Mind you, here, we don't have virtually anything happens bigfoot
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wise in the daytime. Maybe three times have I heard
of vocalization during the daylight. But these woodenknocks came from
both sides of us, fairly close. I'm gonna say fifty
to seventy five feet. We stopped. I talked her into
taking a knee, and we just watched and listened. She
watched one direction, I watched the other. We had nothing
further happen, so we got up to start walking. Just
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about five minutes on the creek, a rock come in
as a piece of quartz. It was a little bit
smaller in the soft ball, a little bit bigger than
the baseball, and it missed her head by six inches.
I was directly behind her, and I saw the rock
as it went over her head and it splashed in
the water. And I thought to myself, if this creature
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wanted to hurt one of us, it's close enough. Obviously
it could hit us if it wanted to. My wife
she said, we're gone. She said, you can stay here
if you want to. She looked like she was water
skiing on that creek without a both pulling her. Hopefully
she'll go back in the woods with me. Sometimes that
was pretty scary, especially considering she's had far less experiences
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than I have. She's had a number of experiences, but
that would have been her first close end encounters. We
continue to hear the vocalizations this time of year where
I live, cold weather is when things ramp up. The
thing that I was told way back by some of
the old timers that here where I live, i'm at
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the foot of the South Mountains, that these creatures during
the summer, the older ones and the ones who are
infirm may move back to higher ground because it's cooler
in the summer of one thousand and fifteen hundred feet higher,
and it may be the younger ones stay back to
make sure that they still have a claim on their territory.
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I think that we have two groups. I think we
have one clan living southwest of US, and I think
we have another clan of them living separate north of US.
Found footprints in both locations. Another huge piece of evidence
is the deer kills that we find, not just one
or two. But we've found two different areas with just
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a lot of deer kills. You're talking in each area
less than an acre. We see the ribs are broken,
they're literally snapped inwards. We find that the deers had
broken legs, twisted necks, and both areas are in a
place where it's the ideal spot if you're going to
do the weight and ambush style of kill. I believe
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that they have the chasers or the pushers, and humans
do this too. Then you have the watchers or the waiters.
They get in the holler on each side. The pushers
push the deer, hen they funnel into the holler, and
they kill them. I think when they grab them, they
do whatever they have to do to immobilize that deer.
However it works out they're able to break a leg first,
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or they're able to just crush the rib cage or
break the neck. I'm gonna say we found at least
fourteen different carcasses in different stages of decay with these
very odd injuries. I found a deer that had both
of its front legs pulled off together the legs were
still attached. I think I mentioned finding footprints. I have
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found now a couple dozen different footprints. In some cases
I found a whole line of tracks. I found tracks
from six in all the way up to seventeen inches.
I think that usually what we find our juvenile tracks,
or let me quantify that by saying, I believe that
they're adolescent tracks, and I believe the adolescents are just
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like human adolescents, more care free, less experienced, less wise,
and they're more prone to leave some careless footprints here there.
They've made a habit of coming here up the hill,
out of the woods, literally into our backyard. One of
their favorite things is to help themselves to some grain
out of the barrels in the barn, which is fine
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with me. I'll share more times than I've kept count of.
In the middle of the night, twelve o'clock, one o'clock,
two o'clock in the morning, we're awakened by something banging
the living hell out of the side of our house.
The most recent thing similar to that was something hit
the floor of our front porch it's a wooden porch,
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and knocked one of the rocking chairs off the porch.
We've had our long furniture. One time in particular, Natcy
went outside in our little long table out there that
we set around sipped coffee. It was turned upside down
and twenty feet away from the lord it's supposed to be.
The chairs were scattered. I had some coals winged up
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against one of my dog kennels. Those were scattered all about.
My wife had a sink that she would use to
wash the dogs in. That sink was in two pieces
and strown. There was some just a number of different objects,
and it looked like a group of adolescent bogers, as
we call them. I think they did it just for mischief.
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I think they're the same as adolescent humans would be.
I used to keep a record of each and every
individual vocalization that I heard, each and every incident that occurred.
I should still be doing that if I was disciplined enough.
But it just became too numerous, it became too tedious.
So what I try to stay on top of now
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is if the major things that happened, I make sure
that I write them now was fresh in my mind,
or do a video. The most recent, very significant thing
that happened back in June, I went outside to check
on the animals because my neighbor's dogs were absolutely going crazy.
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We've had that occur before, and it proved that we
had a creature or too close to the pasture. So
I went into the pasture. The goats and the alpacas
were all against the eastern side of my fence. The
alpacas had assumed a guard stance. They were on alert. Now,
alpacas are very good guard animals, and they make a
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warning sound, the high pitched things, and they were doing that,
and I looked to ascertain what direction they were staring at,
because they certainly were staring in one direction. I ran
back inside and grabbed my fall in a better spotlight,
and I came out and started spotlight in the woods
and systematically taking my way over to where they were
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staring at it. Because I had spotlighted, at first, I
didn't see anything, and I just kept sweeping back and forth.
Finally I opened my phone up and I took my
video and I zoomed in. I was using my phone
more as binoculars at the time. I didn't have any
night vision anything like that. The only piece of equipment
I had was my recorder and lo and behold about
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the last fifteen seconds of the video. Around one hundred
forty yards down the hill diagonally southwest of me, there
was this tall, either gray or wide creature that just
walked into plain sight there where I was spotlighting. It
almost seemed to stop and look at me, and then
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it looked away and it disappeared. I can't say that
is a foresure bigfoot sighting. My old personal theory is
that as an elderly Sasquatch, There's been a number of
witnesses that I've interviewed over the last four years that
reported see a gray or a white Sasquatch. I think
I was seeing that. I think that it was older
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and it had slimmed down, just like a human wood
when you get older. Some people get older and they
get really skinny. I had Bob and Dwhite. They came out,
and Bob set his cameras up and we did a recreation.
He set the cameras up where I was filming that night.
We were very fortunate because the creature was near fence
post in a writing ring, and these fence posts on
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six feet high, so we had that measurement to go
off of, and by the time we did the recreation,
conservatively eight and a half feet probably nine feet talk.
I had a sighting of something I couldn't swear one
hundred percent rind that it was a sasquatch, but it
wasn't a human being. It was definitely not a human being.
Very significant footage. I've sent it to some people, and
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I'll certainly send it to you if you would like
to see it and give me your take on it.
Because I read your book. You got some good takes
on everything, Bro, I will gladly do that. So now
where I'm at right now, all of these experiences that
I've had, the vocalizations, You've got tree knocks, whoops, this yell,
this growling, hollow the house. And again, I've heard the howls,
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definitely less than twelve times. I'm going to say eight
or ten times. That's the most terrifying of the things
we hear. We've heard the whistling. I've heard them mimicking owls.
I've heard them mimicking dogs. I've heard of mimicking coyotes.
And I saved one for last because this one is
going to spark your imagination. I had a friend who
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wanted to come camping here with his family. He brought
his seven year old nine year old, his wife, his
nineteen year old, twenty one year old, and they camped
in the creek by them, same spot where we always camp.
That night, Daddy was asleep, Mama was falling asleep. The
kids walker up and said, Mama, there's somebody in the woods.
She got out of the tent and she heard a
voice up in the laurel thicket and she said, I
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don't know what it was saying. It was some kind
of a language that I don't understand. I didn't understand.
I've never heard anything like it, And so she said,
I am so sorry if we disturbed you. We will
try to keep it down, and immediately off in another direction.
Another gibberish voice that sounded very angry responded to her,
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and then finally the original one that will speaking this
gibberish language said something else, and so the family gathered around.
She woke dad up, and they really didn't know what
to do. They eventually, within ten minutes were surrounded on
several sides as well, so they elected to pack up
that night and get out of there. They were camping
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off the old logging road down there, so you can
get a truck in there. Fortunately they had their truck,
just threw all their gear, willing nearly in the truck
and got out. Sent me a text for me to see,
oh look up to say call me asap. They told
me the story. So I've never heard the gibberish, but
now that has been documented to have taken place here
in this area.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And stay tuned for more Sasquat chat to see we'll
be right back after these messages. It sounds very similar
because we're both in North Carolina. I think you're about
an hour and a half away from me, give or takes.
The crow flies having these experiences, and that is the
first thing that we had happened on our property was
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the vocalizations. I think you and I talked about that
when we were in Westminster just a couple of months ago.
And that is a very unnerving thing in and of itself.
The first time we heard it, it was probably a mile
and a half away in this big area behind us that's.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Nothing but woods.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's something different when it's forty yards from your house.
And that's what we experienced. I've said it many times
on the show. I've said it as a guest on
another podcast. I stopped doing night hikes after that, because
it was so close. It was clearly a large animal
with a huge lung capacity to make those kind of noises.
(30:55):
People have asked me, when you heard that forty yards
from the house, why didn't you go see what it was?
I was like, bring your ass down here and go
out in the middle of the night. When something that
big is making that kind of vocalization forty yards from
your house, why don't you go let me know what
it is? Cause I can tell you there's not a
ton of stories out there of people being hurt by
these creatures, But I was literally working on a story
(31:17):
that I'm going to post probably tomorrow over on Backwoods
Bigfoot Stories, one of my other podcasts about a Yupik
woman from Alaska sharing a story from nineteen sixty two
when her village was under attack by what appears to
be a rogue male sasquatch that was actually taking children
in the area. A couple of hunters went out to
(31:39):
check their trap lines and they didn't come back to
the village, and they ended up having to go out
and hunt this thing down, and they, according to her,
killed one of the creatures, a male and the female.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Stayed in the area.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I too have experienced these rock throwing incidents that you
talked about when I was up in Radium Gosh, it
was the end of twenty twenty three when I was
up there with tired standing on a expedition in his area.
We had rocks thrown at us two different occasions. But
it was small rocks while we were sitting around the fire,
and they were throwing them and hitting the campers next
(32:10):
to us, making those noises, throwing them on top of
the campers, throwing them at the side of the campers.
It was clearly, at least for me, it felt like
playful behavior. It wasn't anything like you described. But there
are people who have been out in the woods and
had rocks thrown at them very much like you described earlier.
If these things had actually made contact and hit somebody,
(32:32):
this is going to be sad singing and flower bringing
either at the hospital of the Morgue. So I think
you're right in that if these things do want to
hurt you, they certainly have the capacity to do that.
I want to go back to the first sighting that
you and your wife Nancy had when you guys saw
this creature and some of the other experiences that you've
had where you actually got to see these things. Can
you give us a description of exactly what you saw,
(32:54):
the hair, the face, whatever details you can recall. Can
you talk a little bit more about the description of
what you saw?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Sure, sure the hair was not sure, but it was
a hanging down a great length. But it was let's
call it very shaggy. Uneven. The first one we saw
definitely had really dark brown hair. The conical head stood
out immediately. The shoulders four foot or more wide, maybe
(33:21):
five foot. And I remember thinking that night as I
lay in bed, I couldn't go to sleep thinking about
the size of the thighs. It reminded me of Earl Campbell.
Now that's not a name a lot of people recognized,
but Earl Campbell, the football player for Houston Orders, who
had thighs the size of oak tree trunks. And it
made Earl Campbell's size look small. Just the power if
(33:43):
that animal could have charged our car or whatever it
is the creature, the animal could have charged our car
with what I was seeing, with the size of it,
I don't know, busted on and yanked one of us
out or something. The second one, the smaller one, had
more of a reddish hair. It had some darker patches
(34:04):
in it, but it was more of a red brown color.
I estimated about five foot tall, all of the same features,
except downsized. Then the third time that guy there, it
was the same as the first, just in that split second,
and I didn't see it as good as I did
on our road side siding, but it looked like very
(34:25):
dark either extremely dark brown hair or black colored hair.
The size of the head really stood out on that occasion,
and there was a tree in the background. We had
that to go off of. My relative is a military
person as well, very analytical, and so the next day
in the daylight, we went down there and started extrapolating
(34:46):
some We've had the reports of the gray ones, the
reddish brown ones, the black ones, the ones with mixed
black and brown color, the whole gamut around here around
the South Mountains area.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It's interesting that you talked about the lighter colored one
because I interviewed a guy who was probably last year
for the show, and his sighting happened back in the
early seventies as a kid when he was out playing
hide and seek in a neighborhood that backed up to
a bunch of woods that were basically in a cul
de sac surrounded by mountains and forest, and he described
(35:21):
seeing a white sasquatch that stepped out in front of
these boys and then ended up stepping over a six
foot fence, cleared it easily, and made its way off
into the woods. It's rare that you hear, or at
least for me, and I've interviewed a ton of people
that have seen a very light colored sasquatch like that.
He described it as being white, almost like people see
(35:43):
a yetty or abominable snowman. It's very interesting. This guy
was in North Carolina as well, who was around the
Charlotte area actually, So it's interesting to me that the
few people that I've interviewed, you're the second person that
has seen a white sasquatch in North Carolina. There's got
to be something to that. There's a lot of people
(36:03):
that postulate that there's all kinds of different I don't
want to say species, but subspecies or different types of sasquatch.
I certainly think that is possible. And I think, just
very much like other animals, like human beings, for example,
if these things are closer to us, they're probably going
to differ very similar to us. You and I look different.
There's eight billion people in the world and we all
(36:25):
look different, right unless you're a twin and you have
an identical twin. So I think that is a very
possible thing that these things adapt to the areas that
they're in. It makes them look a little bit different.
But a white sasquatch certainly has stuck out to me.
Have you thought about that, given the fact that you've
had these three or four sidings and one of them
was white. I know you mentioned it earlier that you
(36:45):
felt like this was probably an older sasquatch. Is that
kind of your theory on what happens? Very much like
us as they age, the hair grays, very similar to humans.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I do. That's my theory that it just grays. And
by June of this year, I had already interviewed two
people that had seen gray or white sasquatches, and both
of their sightings, the one in particular, they've had creatures
all around them, and this one seemed to take a
leadership role because they were being pursued. Then they came
(37:16):
face to face with this one that was white. Everything stopped.
The ones chasing them quit, the creature just looked at
them and turned and walked off, And when it walked off,
then all the chaos behind them resumed and they had
to continue to run. The second one of the three
that the witness was watching, it just seemed to them
(37:37):
like it was more of a leader. Your eldest, your
most wise, and most experienced, especially in a while, can
be the leader. So I think that's all I did.
I believe they age. Don't know how long they live,
but if they live long enough, they're going to get
white ray, They're going to probably lose some weight, get
a little thinner. There's no doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I want to talk about something else that you mentioned
that is very common in these situations. Sometimes I've interviewed
people who have had these experiences together. Nonah Boss comes
to mind from Florida. I had the privilege of interviewing
Nonah when I was out speaking at the Ozark Mountain
Bigfoot Conference just a couple of months ago, back in October,
and Noah had an experience with her son where they
(38:18):
saw this creature and they did not talk about it
even amongst themselves. They didn't talk about it for a
very long time. Obviously you and your wife have discussed
this amongst yourselves, but you made the very, in my opinion,
probably warranted decision not to talk to people about your encounter.
Was it simply to do with the ridicule because it
(38:40):
is such a stigma that seems to still persist when
it comes to these kind of encounters. Was that the
main reason that you decided not to initially talk about it?
And how has that worked.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Out for you? Do you regret it?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I guess is the other part of that question, ever,
regret coming forward and sharing your experiences?
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Are you glad that you've come forward and started talking
about this because it has forwarded or it has pushed
your research a little bit further and it brought people
out that are sharing your experiences with you. So I
guess the two parts to just sum it up, was
that initial decision to not tell anybody. Was it simply
based on the fact that you didn't want to be ridiculed? Now?
(39:20):
I guess the second part of that would be, how
has that worked out for you? Since you have obviously
come forward, You're here, you're showing your face, you're talking
on the show. How has that changed for you? And
are you glad that you ultimately came forward to share
your story.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I am glad that I came forward. At the time,
I had two main reasons for wanting us to just
not talk to people about it. Number one, the ridicule,
the stigma, but also because by that time I had
talked to a few people and I knew the rule,
and the rule is around here as in a lot
of places, especially in mountain areas, you don't talk about it.
(39:57):
You have an experience, you don't talk talk about it,
and you certainly don't tell outsiders about The last thing
that I wanted to do was alienate people who had
come to be like family to meet because I did
talk about it. Fast forwarding to now, I'm glad I
did it because it's turned into an awesome thing. Gosh,
(40:18):
I'm getting to be part of so much and doing
traveling and festivals and going to places. We just got
back from the Land between the Lakes. Most of all, though,
I've got to interview so many awesome people, not just
from the South Mountains. I just finished a series Old
Coastal Carolina of folks. Once my TikTok shows started going
them contacting me and say hey, I got a story
(40:40):
I want to tell you, and I always insist at
minimum talking on the phone. I want to meet in
person if possible, but that's not always possible. So if
I'd have stayed low key, I would have never got
to experience these things and start meeting people, making contacts.
Meeting people such as yourself, you start learning and I
am a totally different person. And I was just a
(41:00):
few years ago before I started getting to have conversations
with folks like you, Bob, Tim, George Lunsford, Mark and Groves.
For crying out Loud, I got to hang out with
him for several days, and some other guys up there
at to lb On other people who have reached out
to me. I have learned so much. I have achieved
part of the goalal I certainly nowhere near where I
(41:21):
want to be on the answers and figuring things out. Plus,
when you hear other people talking about their sightings and
their experiences, you feel validated. You don't feel like you're alone,
like you saw something extraordinary that no one else can understand.
So I am very glad. I'm very pleased with the
decision I've had to be diplomatic. Have some talks with
(41:43):
some folks around here to get myself out of hot water,
but they saw it my way.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Let me ask you, this, is this something that I've
started asking a few people over the last few episodes,
because I haven't asked this of everybody because it almost
seems to me. I'm a very flesh and blood guy.
You and I've had that conversation in person. I'm a
flesh and blood guy. I don't get into the high
strangeness or the woo part of this research, but I
think we have to remain open minded. I think we
(42:09):
have to at least consider those things. They are people's experiences,
and there's some weird ass experiences that I've documented on
this show. So let me ask you this. Do you
ever wonder why you have this experience? Because this has
happened to me. I had my sightings last summer. I
had three sidings in two days, and I've asked myself
this multiple times, and it's hard for me to reconcile.
(42:31):
So I'm going to ask you how you feel about this.
Do you ever wonder why you've had these experiences? Do
you think it's a random thing, or do you think
that or feel that there's some reason behind it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I e.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Maybe there is something to this high strangeness part that
there are people out there who believe that these creatures
show themselves to people that are either open to it,
willing to accept it, that they know can handle it,
or maybe you're chosen for another reason. Do you ever
consider that why you've had these experiences? And if so,
(43:07):
do you think there's something more to it, or you
think it's just you're in the right place at the
right time, or depending on how you look at it,
the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
I think it's a combination of things. Like I said earlier,
when I started seeing the tree breaks in the woods,
it began to dawn on me. Hey, maybe I'm in
a place that has this big for activity. But I
look back on all the hours that I put into
hiking these woods, even camping by myself, and I'm with you,
By the way, I don't go into the woods no
(43:36):
more to night by myself, but I used to camp
spend a night or two. During the daytime, I would
string up I hammitt in the middle of my height
take a nap. I think that I was being observed.
I believe that they're able to read people. I really
believe that through all of these experiences, especially the sightings
and the rock throwing, there was no aggression showing toward
(43:57):
the creatures by me or anybody who was in any
of the parties. I told my wife and she agreed,
we would never ever harm one of these creatures. So
maybe they have a better sense of reading people than
we do. Then again, they sure did have us several
years to observe us, and then observe us when they
revealed themselves, and they revealed themselves on those occasions, we
(44:21):
didn't catch the creature by surprise. They're masters of their domain.
I don't believe they're going to be seen unless they
want you to see them, which that's a question. Why
are they revealing them to me or people who are
with me, or people who are here on the property.
Not everybody in this small area of where I live,
and I'm striking it down from the South Mountains to
(44:42):
the area basically my neighborhood, so to speak, some have
seen them. A number of people having same lifestyles, an
outside lifestyle. Several of the people that live near here
are coon hunters, and they're out in the woods at
all times of the day. And Night they've never seen.
My explanation for that is the dog. But anyway, I
(45:03):
don't close myself to the possibility that there's the woo
factor going on.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be
right back after these messages.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
A big part of that was some of the things
I've read Brian, but also the story of Skinwalker Ranch
with the two guys that were working for Robert Bigelow
that said they observed a creature come out of kind
of a hole that just developed. And I started thinking, Okay,
I'm still in my camp on the Flesh and Blood,
but this has to be explained. And other people's experiences
(45:39):
that hint at the high strangeness. I don't discount it,
but I need further evidence well for our come out
and say yeah, they're supernatural. If I see one and
it just disappears immediately into another dimension or goes into portal,
all right, I'm on board. But until then, I'm a
flesh and Blood guy, Believe it or night.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
There are skeptics that listen to the show. I'm very skeptical.
I've made no qualms about how skeptical I am. For years,
I was skeptical about whether these creatures.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
Existed or not.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Obviously, it took me having that experience where I got
to see these things three times in two days. I
am now one hundred percent in the Knower camp. I
am still very skeptical of people. I'm skeptical of evidence,
and I think that's a healthy skepticism that, frankly, everybody
who's into this subject should have, because there are a
lot of people out there who do hoax things, they
(46:28):
do make up tales. There are skeptics who listen to
the show. So let's pretend for a second you're talking
directly to those skeptics. Let's say there was a skeptic
sitting right here right now. What is it that you
want people that hear your experiences and hear this episode.
What do you want them to take away and understand
about what you've experienced and these creatures in general.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
By the way, I wholehearted livery skepticism is absolutely vital.
I've been burned a couple of times by people who
were hopesing, and it was because I didn't maintain that
s depth by step skepticism and I wanted to believe
it too bad before I did my homework. So skepticism
is extremely important. But what I would ask people to
(47:10):
consider are a number of things. The knowledge that I've accumulated,
especially going back into the days of the Native Americans.
You get into Cherokee, and I'm a percentage Cherokee, about
a third. There's three names for bigfoot in the Cherokee.
And if you look across the entire spectrum of Native
Americans North America, all the way up into Alaska, even
(47:32):
into Central and South America, you see these native peoples
all have these descriptions of these upright hairy commonides. That
alone is enough to if I didn't believe right now,
that would scoop me a lot closer to believing, because
you have to explain these things. Skeptics want us to
explain the evidence. But by the same token, if there's
(47:54):
disbelief to satisfy me, you're gonna have to give me
your take on why evidence I've presented doesn't sway you
any then. Certainly, all of my experiences, I've absolutely had
no reason whatsoever, especially financial. I've not made a dime
off of this, other than getting a free jacket one time.
(48:16):
But that's not why I'm in it. My wife people,
relatives who have come here on the property, friends who
have had these different experiences, people who live near me.
I ask you to consider all of that, and if
you're a skeptic, that's good, but you've got to explain
the phenomena that we're experiencing. Then there's the accounts people
have shared with me around the South Mountains area. I'm
(48:39):
at about twenty eight people that I've interviewed, stretching a
huge time frame. And these are folks, these are country folks,
these are mountain people. Some of them never spoke of
it to anyone outside of one or two people. You've
got to account for what these people have seen over
the years. People who live here in this is a
wilderness area. We know what a bear looks like, we
(49:01):
know everything there is to know about the wildlife. But
folks have had encounters that contravene anything indicating that it
might be a bear or whatever. Bears get a lot
of the blame. And then finally, I say, you got
to step back and look at the totality of the picture.
All of the eyewitness testimonies from a cross time from
(49:22):
Native American days all the way up to now, and
then worldwide, all of the experiences people have reported, and
there are good photographs, there are good videos, There are
thousands of good footprints that have been found, cast photographs,
scientifically collected. Folks who very smart, who came to the conclusion.
(49:43):
Grover Krantz one of my heroes, a guy that risked
his career. He came forward after studying the situation, just
like doctor Meldrim did, and said, we're professors, but we
believe that these creatures exist. Just so many intellectual people
over the years who have fought to get people to
be open. So all of this has got to be
explained from the Native American. I hate to use the
(50:05):
word lord, but we'll say that Native American lore all
the way on now, everything, the whole totality. And I've
never had a skeptic explain things away adequately. And I've
also never had a skeptic take me up on the
offer to come down here and camp in this creek
bottom by their selves.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
You've mentioned it a couple of times. Let's talk a
little bit about your research group, Let's talk about your
TikTok YouTube. Let them know where they can find.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
You, all right, I am so blessed to be a
part of two groups, sasquatch Ricon. You'll find sasquatch Ricon
on YouTube. And I'm also a member of NCI with
George Lonsford, Tim Dills, Brian Sawyer, Robert Efler, Greg Ogles,
Natalie Smearman. We got a big team. Now we do
a show on Channel twelve TV network, the NCI Show,
(50:53):
and between all of us we make a lot of
podcast appearances. Now I've maintained my personal show that began
on TikTok. It's under j period r a period meal Wood.
That's where I'm telling about people's encounters as they've shared
them with me. YouTube, same thing, same accounts, but on
YouTube it's called Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia and Rebels
(51:14):
Dark Tales of Coastal Carolina. You can find me on Facebook,
Jerry Millwood Junior. I will accept friends until I'm at
five thousand and they say can't come in email. You
can email me at Rebel twelve, Rebel the word Rebel one,
two rants, r nts at yahoo dot com. You can
(51:35):
reach out to me on any of these platforms, and
I try my very best to get back with everybody there.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
You have it, folks, I will link to that stuff
in the show notes. You guys go over and check
it out. Show Jerry some love, man. It has been
an honored a pleasure to have you on the show.
Had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much
for coming on and sharing your experiences with us.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Thank you for having me brother. It absolutely was a blast.
And you don't know how much it meant to me.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
They say you want to go home, but you can't stay,
and I don't want to be We're all happen.
Speaker 6 (52:34):
Trying this chart, that chart everything. Call me, ride back,
ride back the joy for me, joy, stay right there, call.
Speaker 7 (52:47):
It right away. Yes, Side Still start things said, says
(53:17):
Side Inside stay stay still.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Susy say games and still stands States and Things News
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