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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
this episode, we have Melissa from Virginia and she had
some bigfoot encounters and experiences from the state of Florida.
Melissa is a retired firefighter and paramedic and she worked
alongside with law enforcement. The bigfoot encounter took place northeast
of Lake Hami and the Saint John's River pours into
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that lake. The area is known by the locals as Maytown.
I will show you guys the exact area to give
you an idea of where the bigfoot came out and
picked up the deer. These types of encounters really intrigued
me and it lets me know that the Sasquatch are
scavengers and opportunistic creatures and they're always seeking their next meal.
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I said this on another Florida Bigfoot podcast, and I
would really like to do research in the state of
Florida and hopefully I can get together with some like
minded researchers and head out that way to look for
the skunk ape. Melissa also had some bigfoot experiences from
the state of Virginia, and it really makes sense why
these creatures are on the East coast there's so much
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forest from the Appalachian Mountains all the way down into Florida.
Hopefully people quit developing in Florida and leave the wilderness
areas alone. It's our job to protect wildlife and the forests.
The wildlife in nature just doesn't stand a chance against
corporations and rich people. Every day, the forests are becoming
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smaller and smaller. Have you had a bigfoot I citing
encounter before? If so, please contact me sometime at Sasquatch
Theory at outlook dot com. All right, everyone, with all
that being said, let's dive into our next bigfoot encounter
from the state of Florida. Melissa, Welcome to Sasquatch Theory.
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How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, I'm doing great.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How about you, Miguel, I'm doing excellent. Thank you very
much for asking, Melissa, if you would tell me a
little bit about yourself, where you're from, and your bigfoot
encounters and experiences from the very beginning. Please.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
My name is Melissa Drurie and I was born and
raised in Lusia County, Florida, lived there until twenty twenty two.
I'm a retired firefighter paramedic for thirty one years and
I grew up in Daytona Beach. I'm a second generation
first responder. Some of the experiences that I know about
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came from my dad. I've had a couple experiences myself.
I've also heard a lot of different things that have
happened to other first responders. When we all get together,
we tend to talk about strange things and share stories
like that. The first time I ever heard or skunk
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aakes ever came onto my radar, I was pretty little,
I probably like six or seven, and my dad would
talk about it, and I remember one particular story. This
happened during the seventies in Ormond Beach. My dad had
a friend who was a deputy and he was sitting
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in Ormond on one of these long scenic bribes and
a couple came flying by him, going like one hundred
miles an hour. So of course, you know he's going
to go chase them down. And when he finally caught them,
he said, you know, do you realize how fast you
were going? That type of thing, And they said that
they had been parked up at James Ormond Park, which
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is right next to Buleeau Creek State Park. They'd been
you know, getting down and out of nowhere, this harry
bean came out of the woods and it was vocalizing.
They said it was screaming. They said it started pushing
over trees. And I mean that area is like coastal Hammocks,
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so it's live oaks and cabbage palms up there. But
they said it just started pushing over trees and coming
at them, and they just pulled butt out of there.
And that's when he caught them. So he said, you know, sure, okay, yeah, whatever,
and he gave them a ticket and off they went. Well,
he drove up there, because you know, curiosity gets the
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best of them, and he drove up there, and sure enough,
there was a whole mess there. There were trees pushed over,
a lot of footprints and things. And the story got
out and a lot of law enforcement people were talking
about it. I mean some of them would giggle like,
yeah right, you know that type of thing. But when
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I was a child, I remember that story in detail
because we would take field trips from my school up
to that park because it had a play area and
they had all these little side roads that the rangers
would use, and I would always be up there thinking,
oh am, I going to see this thing skunky skunkate,
you know, and about that time. You know, I also
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heard they used to call them mugwumps. I don't know
why they called them that in Volusia, but they called
him that too. But that's that's what happened in my childhood.
And that just sticks out because that's such a crazy story.
You know, when you think about it, and you know,
first responders, we always have a lot of unusual things
happened to us. When you hear a story like that,
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not everybody believes it it was the seventies, but you
know it was. It really happened, and it started my
interest in bigfoot and subsquatch.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, that is extremely interesting. So your father pulled these
people over that were driving over the speed limit and
they said a sasquatch was screaming and pushing over trees.
This sounds like typical bigfoot behavior. They get territorial and
they display this primate type behavior. I'm not saying they
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are a primate, but yeah, I mean that sounds terrifying.
I can't imagine experiencing that. Most of the encounters I've
had were pretty peaceful. I mean, they've pushed over trees,
but not like demolished in area. I'm sure your father
was extremely skeptical because he's pulled over a lot of
people and he's like, right, Bigfoot pushing over trees. That's
where you're speeding away.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It was actually a friend. It was actually a friend
of his that was a deputy, and he told my
father that story. So I actually heard it third hand.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, so it wasn't your father that pulled them over.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No, no, no, it was a friend of his, a
very good friend of his that was a deputy in Ormon. Yeap.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh wow. So he went and investigated the area and
he saw the destruction. Correct, yes, yes, wow, Yeah, that's
spooky for sure. Okay, Melissa, what else happened after this?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So, you know, over the years, so that got me
interested in Sasquatch, in Bigfoot, and of course in the seventies,
you know that show in Search of you know that
was that was a great show. We all watched that.
So in my career I've met different people who especially
in Florida or Hunters, you know, the wood Wood's really
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good and and we'll talk about things that have happened
to them and you know, and I worked with one
guy that used to live in Orlando back in the
late sixties early seventies. He was he was older when
I was just starting out, and he lived in the
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i want to say, like the Red Bug Red Bug
Road area, Boggy Creek area. This is before it was
all built up. They kind of house and a few
acres back there, and they had a dry lake bed
back there. And he said that when he was a kid,
in the dry lake bed, a skunk ape would come out,
you know, it would happen periodically. It would come out
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and it would exhibit this ape like behavior, like it
would just beat on the ground with its hands, and
it was really loud and it would vocalize, and he would,
you know, demonstrate how this thing would beat on the ground.
And he said, you know, when I was a kid,
that scared the crap out of me. He said, we
didn't know what that was, you know. But he said,
after a while, we just got used to it, you know,
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and then when Orlando started to get built up and everything,
they just didn't see it anymore. But that I thought
that was a very interesting story because you don't really
hear too many stories like around close around Orlando like
that now because everything's so built up. So I also
had another coworker who was a hunter, and I found
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out this information. I was working an overtime shift with him,
and it was in a very the station was in
a very, very wooded area of Lusia County. It was
in the Rhyma Ridge area and it just kind of
sits by itself and there's this big open area behind
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it that's cleared, but then it's all woods. And I
was working and I said, Uh, how come there is
who's sleeping food outside? You know? Because I looked we
had like a door right next to the kitchen. We're
in a temporary quarters and I noticed like a like
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a refuse pile there, like a food And I said,
who's leaving food out there? What are they doing? And
he said, well, they left food out And I guess
one of them really liked eagles. And in Florida, it's
like and you when you see like roadkill on the
side of the road, you have to take a double
take because not only do you see, you know, vultures,
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but occasionally you'll see a bald eagle and they're very
big down here and down in Florida. So they started
putting it out to see if they could get an
eagle to come in. Well, this is how we got
on the subject of bigfoot, sel squatches, skunk capes. He
said to me that he thought that a skunk ape
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had come in like an opportunistic thing, because they had
left food out, and you know, I'm like, really, I'm
kind of taken them back. I'm like, wow, you know,
really because I'm into that. He said that on a
few occasions he had take gone for a walk before bed,
done a little fitness, and then he would walk the
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perimeter of this area. It was about an acre in size.
He'd walk along the edges and there were on a
few occasions where there was something in the wood that
was paralleling him, and he said what he would walk,
it would walk, he would stop, it would stop. And
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this went on for I don't know, a few months
off and on, and as far as I know when
he retired, it was still going on. But his opinion
was as they'd brought they'd put their food waste outside,
and that that had brought in a skunk cape because
it was very They're very opportunistic about that. That's what
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I think. I mean, it's an easy meal, you know,
if somebody's throwing their leftover pizza out there. Why wouldn't
Why wouldn't you write? So that that's one story. I had.
An incident happened to me where I was working a
double and it was me, myself and my partner at
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the time, him and I worked together probably gosh, him
and I worked together probably off and on for ten years.
I mean, he was the best partner I ever had.
He's like my dad anyway. So one night, we get
a call to come and back up a sister station
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that's in a very, very rural area, and I mean
this is really rural. This is east central Florida, tree
farm type thing. And what they wanted us to do
was they wanted us to drive down into this rural
area because our sister station was tied up on a
very bad car accident. They wanted us to go move in,
go halfway that way, we could come down to the
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scene if they needed extra hands, or we could break
away and take a call in their area. So you
get the gist. So we're out on this dirt road
and I have to give a little backstory here. So
at the time, there was a whole lot of development
planned in that area. And there's a lot of wildlife
out there, and there were some people in our community
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we're trying to prove undocumented cases of Florida panthers as
a separate population in that area in east central Florida.
That's an area that had never been studied. So I
was on the lookout constantly for anything like that. And
I even had a like a plaster of Paris kit
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with me in the truck just in case, because that's
one of the things you have to have, is if
you see something and you can cast the prints of
the Florida panther and bring them to game and fish.
So anyway, so it's about midnight. We are out in
bf E. This is in the middle of nowhere tree farm,
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and we are going along this dirt road and we
go to pull in to park to get ready, you know,
for posting, and on the right side of the road,
I see a dead deer and I said, oh, crap,
I said to my partner. I said, oh, that deer
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just got hit. You know, that's right there, you know,
And I just I noticed that deer. I'm like, wow,
it's right there on the curve of the road. And
the accident was farther down. So I was wondering, you know,
if the deer, if they hit the deer and then
went on and crashed. I didn't know what happened. So
we passed the dead deer on the side of the
road and we make like a little L shaped curve
and we park on the side of the road. And
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I had been working a double and I was really, really,
really tired. I brought my pillow from the station, and
my partner was sitting in the driver's seat. And where
we are there are no street lights, but the moon
was out, so you could see pretty well the road,
you know, things you could see pretty well because the
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moon was nice and bright. And I promptly fell asleep
on my pillow because I was so exhausted. So my
partner is sitting in the driver's seat and he's somebody
has to stay awake, So he's sitting there, and we
had at the time, we had these big mirrors on
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the side of the fire truck that were very tall,
and they had a big convex mirror at the bottom,
and he was sitting there and he just happened to
be looking in the mirror and he said this thing.
It was like a. It was a humanoid type creature, tall,
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all dark. He said. It crossed the road in two steps.
It picked up the deer, the dead deer there under
one arm, and walked on. I don't know how he
was able to sit there and not make a sound.
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And I mean he's an old Florida boy, so but
still so he just he never made a sound after
seeing that. So I woke up and right about that
time they called this and they said you can go
back to quarters. We don't need you. And I'm like, okay, great, Oh,
I can go back to my bed. You know, we
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do like a three point turn in the dirt road
right there, and we're starting to go back and I go,
oh my god, I said the bomb. The deer's gone.
I said, I bet a panther took it. I said,
can I can I just get out for a second
and just look for tracks? Can I just do that
real quick? You know? Can I just get out the flashlight?
Because I mean I was I was like, dead on,
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dead on panther thinking that's what came and drug it
off and my partner was like, no, no, I'm not
stopping the trip. No, And I was really mad. I
was mad for a long time about that because he
was just so rude to me about saying no, And
I figured he just wanted to get back to the station,
you know. So we drive back to the station. You know,
life goes on. Eight months later, he comes to me
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and he's says, not that night we were out there
and Lake Harney, and I said, yes, with the where
I tried to get the tracks on that. I said,
I'm still a little pissed at you about that. He goes,
that's not why I didn't want to stop. He goes,
I saw a skunk across the road. And he told
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me exactly what he had seen. And he said, the
reason I did not tell you for eight months is
because I did not want you to be afraid of
working in the woods, you know, because we're in there
for brush fires atv accidents. That's what he said to me, says,
I didn't want you to be afraid to work in
the woods. So that was I mean, I was around one,
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but I didn't actually see it because I was asleep.
Now that happened, and that happened on the tree farm
that is in Lake Harney between the Lake Harney and
Oak Hill, Florida. So it happened on a long eighteen
miles stretch of road that connects east central Florida and
west the west, south southeast, and southwest central Militia County. Sorry,
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So anyway, years, years and years go by, you know,
he he retires and stuff, and I never told anybody
that story while we were still working here. He was
still working, So he retired a few years, a few
years ago, and I told a few people that story
after that, you know, because some people will ridicule you
that stuff. I mean, it's and then you get like
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a nickname and anyway, so it's a whole thing. So
he retires and I said, you know, had this experience,
this happened, you know I and I absolutely believe him.
So full time goes by, and I get assigned to
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the station that's on the other side of that road,
so it's it's like the sister station that we were
backing up that night. And one day I'm sitting there
and a couple of my colleagues chime in and say, hey,
didn't you and when you were partners with so and so,
didn't you guys see a skunk ape or something out there?
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And I'm like, yeah, I didn't tell a whole lot
of people that story. But yeah, yeah, I said, I
did not see it. I was asleep, but my partner
saw it, and I absolutely believe him. And they said, well,
we've had a couple of incidents out here where we've
been working in this tree farm area of very rural
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brush fires. And at dusk, they were walking, these two
coworkers of mine were walking with the property owner and
they were walking the line to make sure the line
was all intact, that they hadn't had like a spot
over or anything or or you know, that everything was
within the lines. And they said, you know, the sun
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started going out, it got to be dusk and everything,
and they said they didn't know what this was, but
there was something in the woods that started screaming at
them that was so loud. And but these people are
hunters and they know the animals and flora and fauna
of Florida, and they hurt an animal that started screaming
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at them so loud that it scared them so bad
that they just were out of there. And they they
didn't say so much, but they said, well, we think
it's you know, you think it could be something like
pop or this person saw so, and I absolutely believe them.
I mean, there have been a lot of things that
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have happened in Lusia County. I mean I read the
BFROO all the time, and there have been a lot
of incidents. There was one that happened behind where where
I used to live, where some people were turtle fishing
or you know, trapping turtles and something left prints and
stole their turtles. And that that was actually right behind
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my house. So there's a lot of things that happen
in Vlusha County.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And yeah, wow, So yeah, that's amazing. And it sounds
like you've been around a lot of activity or no
people who have and you just happen to be in
all the best spots.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It sounds like, yeah, I mean it's I was born there,
so I've seen I've seen the area grow up and
grow and it's very developed now, but you still have
you know, you're that area. You're still backing up on
a lot of wildlife preserve, a lot of national forests,
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a lot of you know, state park areas. So there's
still a lot of green area around and through that county.
So there are highways for all types of animals and
you know, and and people have seen, you know, people
there have been documented sightings of of My brain just
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went Florida panthers, But why not? Why not skun capes? Right? Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah absolutely. I mean typically people from like other areas
that aren't locals in Florida, they would just think, oh,
there's not enough woods in Florida. But you hear about
these panther stories, and it seems to be, like, I
don't know, there seems to be more panther sightings there
in Florida than in Missouri. And Missouri's covered in woods.
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So if these things can hide there, certainly sasquatch can.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, you get these areas
that are coastal Hammock, which is, like I said, the
the cabbage palm and live oak trees. There, there's a
lot of game, there's a lot of food, there's a
lot of water. So you know, why not, It's it's perfect,
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it's the perfect habitat, you know. And to be in
these little patchy areas of swamps and stay hidden, you know.
That's so I absolutely believe they're still there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah. Absolutely. And you've come across a lot of bigfoot reports,
let's say, like on the BFRO and online. What's the
most significant encounter story that you remember that really sticks
with you.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
There was one that well, besides the one that happened
behind our house with the turtles, there was one that
happened in de Land next to Lake Dayaz. I think
it happened in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty, and the
person was traveling on Highway seventeen past Lake Dayaz and
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Lake day As. For me, I've done a lot of
recreation on that lake. Around that lake, I've swam, boatd
all around, hike trails around there. So I've been around
that area a lot. And this person had was coming up.
I mean, I haven't read it recently, but this person
was coming all up and there in their uh ATV
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and they had big lights on the top of it,
you know those big casey lights that people used to have,
And he saw this creature across the road. He saw
the entire thing across the road right there in front
of Lake Dayas. And I used to drive I used
to work at that fire station in Pearson. I used
to drive that road every third day in the dark
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and I and I was thinking, wow, you know, that
could have been me, That could have been me seeing that,
you know, And so I always tried after that, I
always tried to keep my eyes and ears open, especially
when we were working in the woods at night, because
you know, when the well, you know, when all the
all the noises stopped, that means of predators around. So
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heard that a few times. So.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, But and the people that asked you about the
skunk ape encounter, it sounds like they kind of pinpointed
what was screaming in the woods. And you know a
lot of people say that panthers scream, which I'm sure
they do, but when one of these things vocalizes, it's
a lot different. And I'm sure a mountain lion sounds
pretty gnarly, but just a sasquatch sounds next level, like prehistoric, right, And.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
That's what they said, They said, no one here. So
you have three people that are experienced hunters, and no
one there knew what this sound was. But it was
loud and crazy enough that it scared them out of
the woods. I mean, they were like, okay, it's time
to leave. So and then after that happened, they came
and asked me about the thing that happened with me
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and my partner in generally the same area where my
partner had that sighting. And then I told them that
whole story again and they were pretty much like, uh, yeah,
that's that's what it was. So I mean without actually
saying it, but I know what they meant.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, for sure, I feel like Florida would be the
best place to gather evidence. And you've heard me talk
about wanting to go to Florida. It just seems like,
I don't know, you'd be able to run a drone
and possibly like capture one of these things or get
in close quarters to one of them. What are your
thoughts about it? Do you think it's actually harder because
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of like the swamps, the bugs, the humidity. What are
your thoughts about them?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, yeah, because you know a lot of times, and
this happens a lot of times. Do you get people
who are investigators or enthusiasts that are from other areas
and they come down to Florida at the worst time
of year, and if you're not used to the heat
and the bugs and everything else, it literally could just
take your focus off what you're there for. You know,
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you can come there during they're really in isn't a
cold season anymore? They think they have like one cold day,
but yeah, that's you have to come down there prepared,
you know, for the mostly the environment, you know, a
way that you can stay dry while you investigate. But
I think they're around. I think they're always around. I
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think they're kind of like the way panthers are. You know.
Panthers have that large two hundred mile radius that one
panther will roam, and I think I think skunk gaps
are the same way. I think they have areas they
that they move through that are these, like I said,
the green Heart of Florida, they go up and down,
and I think they you can find them all the
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way down, you know, in the everglades. Obviously, I had
my old partner that saw the skunk gape told me
a story because he grew up in Miami. He used
to go out into the into the everglades and he
would like collect he used to collect tree snail shelves,
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and he go to these hammocks and stuff. And he said, well,
first of all, you always knew when it had had
human habitation because like a sour orange would be growing
there and that was like from a seed from the seminoles,
you know, because they hid out in the Everglades. But
he said, you know, sometimes he would go to these hammocks.
You know, they would kind of like be by themselves
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in a whole sea of grass, and he would go
there to look for shells and stuff. And he he
would go up to the hammock and he just wouldn't
have a good feeling, you know, like he wasn't alone.
You know. Sometimes he would smell a bad smell, you know,
and that's like classic class to me. I mean, if
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you smell that sulfury, cabbagy, that smell they're supposed to have,
you know, kind of like I don't even know how
to describe it, kind of like a really bad wet
dog sulfury, you know. And there were times he went
into hammocks and he smelled that and he had like
a feeling like, well, I shouldn't be here, you know,
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like you like, go away, you don't belong here. And
he would just go on to the next one. He
would just skip it, you know. So it makes you wonder,
you know, how uh, how many skunk capes there really
are down there, and uh, and what kind of range
they have and you know, do they go the whole
length of Florida. I mean, is there like a skunk
cape trail that we have to you know, discover. I
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don't know. It's very interesting. It was fun growing up there.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, absolutely, I feel like Florida has a good number
of skunk capes. But also I've wondered if they travel
like all up and down the East coast or maybe
even to the Midwest, because, like you said, there's like
this giant green section on the map in Florida. But
I also see that it like connects to like Georgia,
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the Carolinas, and it goes all the way up to Vermont,
like it's a huge section of woods. And unfortunately, Florida's
become very populated, like you mentioned, and it seems like
people are building there every day and more habitat is
being destroyed.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, unfortunately, I mean unfortunately, but there's still a lot
of forest in the Panhandle, and of course there's obviously
the Everglades in South Florida, you know, But yeah, I
don't I don't know what's going to happen to those
populations there. So I know, since we've since we've moved
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up here to Virginia, I mean, I've had a couple
things happen to me that were kind of weird. But
but I don't know a lot about I don't know
a lot about sauce squatches up here.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
No, there's a lot of sidings there, that's for sure.
Where you're at right now, that's huge forest.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
We do. Do you want to hear about the ones
in Virginia.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, let's hear about the sasquatch in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
So when we first moved up here, the first year
we were here, my old partner, one of my old partners,
came up to visit and we all went up to
Natural Bridge, you know, the big the big rock formation
that George Washington surveyed and the whole thing. It's called
Natural Bridge. It's in the Jefferson National Forest and it's
a state park. So we were hiking and it was
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getting to be the end of the day. There weren't
a whole lot of people around, and I we had
just moved to Virginia, so I didn't have my legs,
you know, my mountain legs that I have now. But anyway,
so her and my husband, I said, go on up
to the waterfall. I'm just gonna sit here and look
at my phone or read the pamphlet or whatever. And there.
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The way Natural Bridge is set up is when you
walk through the big Natural Bridge rock formation, there's a
trail that goes up toward a waterfall, and on the
right is this little amphitheater that they built, this little
wood stage with little rustic benches, and it's right next
to a creek that runs through there. So I was
sitting there minding my own business. And I mean there
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was like I think I saw maybe three or four
people the whole time I was sitting there, going back
and forth. And the park closes at sundown, so I
was waiting for them to come back. So I'm just
sitting there. And at first I thought acorns were falling
out of the trees, and because I kept hearing like
this boompom, you know, on the ground, and it kept happening,
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and I'm like, what is that? You know? What is that?
Because I did not grow up here, I don't know
all the different things. And I went around thinking, I
like acorns. Let me look to see if I can
find someone and pick them up. I couldn't find an
acorn anywhere nowhere, nowhere, So I sit back down. I'm
still waiting. I'm the only one sitting there. The sun's
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starting to go down, and from over my right shoulder,
I see a pebble that's pro the size of I
don't know, an oval golf ball, just I see it
as it hits the ground, boom boom so And this
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happened twice. Two rocks that I actually saw as they
came over and behind the creek, I mean behind the creek,
it goes straight up. I mean it's just straight up
the mountain. I mean there's nowhere for anybody to be.
There's nobody around, and I, I don't know. It was
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such a it was such a weird feeling because I
was like, did I just see that? And I didn't
say anything, but I got really scared, and I walked
down to where the trail kind of serves around, and
I waited for them to come back, and I didn't
say anything to anybody. And we got back a couple
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of days ago. By she's still staying with us and everything,
and I finally told my husband, but I felt so
I felt like I was crazy. I'm like, nobody's gonna
believe me, nobody's gonna believe that this happened. Nobody and
I didn't tell her for like three months. It was
kind of like the same situation with me and my
old partner. You know, you didn't tell me for eight months,
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but I didn't tell her for like three months. And
I said something was throwing rocks at me. I had
no idea what it was, but something was throwing rocks
at me. And to this day, I don't know if
it was a person. I don't know if it was
something else, but it was hardly anybody in that park,
and I was sitting alone. It was really crazy. The
other thing that happened was is about two months ago,
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we were at an airbnb next to a small park
that's on a mountain here that we can see from
our home, and we had wanted to hike this mountain
for like a really long time. It has like a
little trail that's like medium intensity. So we go we
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get the airbnb for two nights. The first night we're there,
they had like a little outdoor fire pit, so we're
out burning wood and some people from up the mountain
were like coming past where we were staying, and they
were going to a party that was like further down
this little dirt road, and we could hear them, you know,
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I mean, they weren't being too loud. It wasn't like
crazy music or anything like that. But it got to
be probably about ten o'clock at night. I think this
was like ten ten fifteen. So they're all, you know,
I can hear them talking, you know, there's a party
going on this and that they're not being too loud,
and all of a sudden, and I don't know exactly
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where from I don't know if it was like from
the state park area or an area next to it,
but somewhere from where we were sitting in front. I
don't even want to. I don't even want to, like
guess at the distance. We heard a tree fall over
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and it was incredibly loud, and everything got quiet at
that party, and then everybody just just very quickly came
up the hill and left. So I don't know if
that means anything, but I looked it up after that,
and there have been quite a few sightings in that
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area and on the backside of excuse me, the backside
of Salem, where this is so hard to say, it
was really, I mean, it was pretty crazy here and
it just it's perfectly quiet except for a little you know,
talk down the way and this tree this, I mean
it must have been a big tree too, because it
just went just very very loud. And the party broke
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up after that. So and these were all locals, So
I don't know what happened. I can only speculate, but
I thought that was very very strange. So, but you know,
stuff like that goes on up here. You know, people
are very superstitious about the Appalachian Mountains.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So who's to say, yeah, absolutely, we know they're in there.
And it does sound like bigfoot activity. Why do you
think they were throwing rocks at you?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I well, first of all, I was all by myself.
They weren't throwing them at me. They were throwing them.
They were landing like probably like ten twelve feet to
my side, to my right side. They weren't throwing them
at me. I don't know. I was sitting by myself,
and I remember sitting there, I had my phone out
and I said, you know, you know what, I'm going
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to put my phone away because I'm not going to
look at my phone. I'm going to look at this
pamphlet that we got at the front about Natural Bridge.
Because we just moved there. I didn't know a lot
about it. So I'm reading that and that's when that happened.
And I don't know if they were trying to get
my attention. I don't know if they're trying to get
me leave. Because it was the end of the day.
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I don't know, the sun was starting to go down,
it was starting to get to the end. But one
other thing that happened when we were at Natural Bridge
is we walked out and we were like the last people,
pretty much the last people to come out of there,
and right when we got to the stairs that go
up to where the museum and the guest center is,
we smelled this horrible, horrible smell. And I had forgotten
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about this, but my partner, who was with us at
the time, reminded me it smelled like, I don't even
like decomposing something decomposing and feces together. It was a really, really,
really bad smell. And I'm very sensitive to smell, and
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I did not notice any smells while I was there,
And when we went to leave, there was this area
that smelled very rancid, and I remarked on it. She
remarked on it. My husband, who is a plumber, who
is has terrible sense of smell. He even smelled it,
So I don't know. I don't know. That was really crazy.
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I don't know if something followed, but uh, there there are.
It's it's very wooded and rural up there, very very rural.
So I'm sure that they're they're up there running around.
I don't know why that's threw rocks at me, but
or buy me. I wish i'd kept the rocks. I
was too scared.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, it sounds like they were trying to get your attention.
Maybe they have a sense of humor, or they were
just like picking on you. What do you think?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't know. I don't know. I wish i'd kept
the rocks. But yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Do you think that's possibly why they call it the
skunk a because these creatures can emit like a skunk
oder or like a foul smell.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Uh. Yes, yes, that's why I think they're called that
in Florida because because we have something that grows there
called skunk cabbage that's very very foul smelling. Uh. And
I think that's why they got the moniker skunky because
they're very I've read that they're very foul smelling, you know,
because they're they're a fully you know, they're they have
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hair all over their body and they don't bathe, so
as far as I know, so they're just like if
you had a large, you know, hairy dog and you
didn't they that it would it would get very very intense,
very quickly.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So yeah, absolutely those are my thoughts as well. And
possibly it's like a distress hormone or like a territorial thing.
The bigfoot that I saw here in Missouri, it was
jet black, about eight foot tall, and when it stood up,
it had these two white stripes going down its back,
and it gave me the impression of like like a
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skunk or a lemur, and I don't know, it just
really reminded me of a skunk. And then I thought
back to the Florida Skunk Cape, like, is that why
they call it the skunk cape? Because it has like
these stripes going down its back. And then I don't know,
I heard a lot of people talk about the smell,
and it's like, okay, one or two reasons why they
call this thing the skunk cape. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, I always thought it was because it is skunk
cabbage and stuff. So and you said it was it
was all black. So here, well, in Florida, the swamps,
you know, if you see a if you see a panther,
they're usually not that brown color that we associate with
with those type of big cats. Usually they've been in
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the swamp and they can be like people can mistake
them as being black too, just from the mud. So
that's that's something to think about too. I don't know
if you live by the by the swamp or anything
like that, but that's something to think about too.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, I don't live by a swamp. I do
live by a river and it's fairly clean. I've also
speculated that maybe they change colors depending if it's summer
or wintertime. And I know, like there are animals like
rabbits that'll turn white when it snows. So that was
just another theory that I had. But it's hard to say.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
That's very interesting. I never I would have never even
thought of that, And that is it's it seems so
self explanatory because other animals do it. I mean, why
wouldn't a sasquatch do it? You know, so get a
winter coat and a summer coat.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So yeah, I think it's possible. So do you think, oh, sorry,
I didn't mean to cut you off. Do you think
the skunk Cape is a type of undiscovered primate or
something else?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I do? I do. I think because there is so
much oral history with Native Americans, you know, there are
I think that they My personal opinion is is that
is that they are an undocumented type of primate. I mean,
we know about Gaikanapithecus in Asia, right, so forty thousand
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years ago people are coming across the land bridge up
in Alaska to come here to North America and South America.
I mean why, I mean obviously animals migrated with them too.
I mean why wouldn't Why wouldn't encryptid like that migrate
with the people. I mean, not like in a group
or anything like that, but but when it's open, you know,
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make their way across, they see the people going across there.
I mean, it's natural curiosity, you know. So I think
that I think that they are an undiscovered primate. Yes,
because they they sound like a primate, you know, they
they're vocalizations. It's so it's like if you took a
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human and a primeate and like went fifty to fifty,
you know, but much much louder so. But that's just
you know, that's just my personal opinion, but I do
I think they came across the land bridge with people
when people came here.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, it would make sense because these things are in
China and Russia and other countries as well, even Australia,
so it seems like they're a global thing. And I
don't know, people catch glimpses of them, and unfortunately that's
all it is. Sometimes you hear these bizarre encounters where
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people like interacted with them and hung out with them
for a long time. I don't know much about that,
but I have taken reports where let's say, like someone's
camping and the sasquatch just hung out at their camp
all day, and I don't know. I mean, they definitely
seem elusive, but you just never know what these things
are capable of. I also took another report similar to
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that from I believe it was Oregon. They were sitting
at a picnic table in a wilderness area and the
sasquatch came up to the table and just like started
eating the food. They were freaked out though, they went
to the vehicle and just sat there in complete terror.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I mean, it's almost like did somebody change the sasquatch
with food, you know, I mean that would I would
freak out too. I mean, my gosh, oh, my gosh. Wow.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Would you be open to that happening to you, like
where a sasquatch just comes out and interacts with you,
or would you be terrified?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I probably wouldn't be able to move.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, I think anyone would be in shock.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
It would, yeah, I would. I mean, but we have
we have so many I know it's going to happen
up here because we have so many, Like, there are
so many that happen up here. My husband actually went
and got a dash cam just in case, because we try.
We we do a lot of day trips and we
travel through some of these really wild areas and it's
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like we just, uh, we just got back from a
place that was up around Natural Bridge where we were staying,
that was in the middle of the woods, that was
really really good habitat. It was in a river bottom
and everything, and and I said, well, I said, if
you're going to see something like that, it's probably going
to be in a place like this, you know. But
but yeah, I mean I can't, Well, you don't know
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what you're going to do until it happens, So.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, I agree. Was there ever a protocol for law
enforcement that encountered these creatures or with your old job, like,
were you guys told not to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Uh? No, not not so much. But you know, guys
would if you talked about you know, there was at
one time you've talked about bigfoot or ghosts or anything
like that. You know, people would people didn't believe it.
There were some people that didn't believe it, and they would,
they would ridicule it. So after a while you just
don't talk about that kind of stuff, but people who
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do believe it will come and seek you out. But
as far as management, I mean, no, they never, they never.
They never told us not to talk about it or
anything like that. But you know, if something happened on
the shift, you know, and it involves something like that,
I mean I would I would tell my supervisor. I mean,
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and and the fact, the funny thing about it is
is that my supervisor was with me when we had
the subsquat or the Skuntcape encounter, so you know, we
just kept it among us for a long time.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, for sure. I mean that's a touchy subject, even
in law enforcement, and you don't want your coworkers to
think you're crazy or not reliable.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, yeah, that's the whole thing is that, you know,
you get a you get a nickname, or you get
a reputation. You know. But I have to say though,
it's a lot more open now than it was like
twenty years ago. You know, people talk openly about things now,
and uh uh and that you know, because knowledge is power,
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you know, if you know these animals are out there,
you know, I think I think it's even though they
haven't found a body yet, I mean, i think it's
pretty apparent that these things are out there that we're living,
you know, with them in our environments here and and
and I'm happy that people are more open about talking
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about these things, you know, and because uh, in the
old days, it was kind of like oh crazy, you know,
they would they put they put a label on you,
and then that was it. So a lot of things
that happened to me in my job. I saw a
lot of things in my career I didn't necessarily tell
anybody or talk about. But I'm glad that it's more
open now, you know that I can share these things
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like on your on your program.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm sure you've seen things in your life
that you probably wish you've never seen before, and I'm
sure some of the things were kind of hard to
deal with, So encountering a sasquatch probably wasn't so bad
compared to some of the things that you've seen as
far as like accidents or you know, things like that,
right right.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I just I just wish I'd been awake when it
walked across and grabbed the deer out of the off
the side of the road. Yeah, so that would have
been that would have been amazing. But anyway, but it
happened to him, and I believe him.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, did he see the skunk cape come out and
grab the deer. I know you saw the dead deer
and when you went back it was gone.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yes, he was. He was sitting in the driver's seat
and he was kind of leaned over to his left
and the big mirror that shows it with the convex
shows He said, it showed the whole pretty much the
way it was parked. It was showing the whole width
of the road and he was looking in the mirror
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and this thing stepped out. He said, it was all dark,
it crossed the road, and I mean this is like
a like a two lane dirt road. It crossed the
road and two steps, and when it went to the
other side, it picked up the dead deer in one hand,
put it under its arm, and walked on. Wow.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
How big did say the sasquatch was or the skun cape?
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Well he didn't, so he just said it was just tall.
We didn't really have a it was because it walked
through the road. He didn't really say how tall it was,
but he said it was taller than a man.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, which would It sounds like it was waiting for
you guys to cross or to pass by, and then
it made its move.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, so I mean it was. But that was pretty gutsy.
I mean where this where this thing walked across the
road was probably only about fifty feet behind our truck.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I've heard a lot of reports like that where people
look in their mirror and they see this primate creature
across the road. So it sounds like they do wait
for people to pass by, and maybe it's a good
idea to check your mirrors when you're driving through wilderness
areas because they're smart enough to wait. They're like, okay,
this vehicle is going to pass, then I'm going to
make my.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Move exactly exactly. Yeah, they're very smart and you know,
to pick up to pick up a deer like that
in one arm and walk on, you know. I mean,
deer aren't huge in Florida, but they're still pretty weighty.
I mean you're still talking about like at least one
hundred pounds, you know. And you know, I just I
kind of I just wish we'd stopped, but he was
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having none of it. That was his reaction, you know.
And I didn't find out until eight months later. So
but yeah, you didn't he wanted to get out of there.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, I'm glad he told you though. And the skunk
apes sound like their power full creatures, and it probably
picked up that deer like a raggedy an do doll.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah. I just wish i'd stopped and looked for footprints
or something. But oh well, it's it's I mean, I
I never forgot it because of the whole uh, the
whole uh, the uh Florida panther thing. Because I was
because I was kind of pissed for so long. That's
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why I remembered it, and it's why it's so fresh
in my mind because I can remember it being in
the truck that night. I remembered the environment, the whole thing.
I can remember everything, and uh so I just I
wish i'd seen it, but that's for another time, I guess.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, I'm sure you know it bothered you that he
didn't tell you at the time, but at the same time,
maybe he was worried about your your mental well being
and you know, like you said, he warned you to
be around in the forest and not be scared off.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Right rightsolutely, Yeah, absolutely correct. I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
But yeah, it would have been nice though to go
back and see if there were any tracks or possibly
if these creatures were still in the area.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, where where this happened at is It is like
a pine uplands, it's and it's an old tree farm,
so it's mostly like fine dry pine uplands, okay, But
then when you if you follow the road down, it
takes you down to a swamp area, so it's like
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it's like swamp and lake adjacent. So I figured that's
probably where this thing lives and it probably heard the
deer get, maybe heard the deer get hit because it
was really fresh and came over you know, opportunistic. It's
an easy meal. He didn't have to track down. But
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I think that's what happened. And it was very bright
that night that it was a full moon. It was
very very bright. And yeah, so do.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
You think your partner ever went back looking for evidence?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
You know, I don't know. I never asked him. I
didn't even think to ask him.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
I would suspect that he did. He probably went back
later on and just kind of checked things out.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, because I mean, but I you know, I never
asked him because he never told me about it for
like eight months, so I didn't even think about it.
I didn't even think about it. I've been on that
road since and they've since paved that road and there
are some homes back there. There weren't any homes out
there before and now there's a few homes, and like
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you said, you know, things are getting built up. But
it was dirt back then. You know, it was a
pretty rural area, pretty pretty dark at night. And but
I mean, luckily for us we have the full moon,
so but it had there was a big in front
of us where the swamp was. It was like a
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big tunnel of trees. We didn't park in there because
it was very dark. But you know how, you know
how you can have a canopy of trees and it
keeps the light out and it makes things very dark.
So I mean, something could have moved up through there,
you know, without us seeing it. So and we were
parked in front of that. We didn't we didn't park
in that. But it's just a very unique area, you know,
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because you've got wildland areas with lakes that are adjacent
to tree farms that grow pine trees, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
So yeah, these things like to hang out in the
pines and in the swamps and they're always around water,
and it makes sense that he had or you guys
had this encounter when there was a full moon. A
lot of people talk about them being nocturnal and possibly
the moon makes them more active. Really, yeah, I hear
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that a lot from people. But my sightings were during
the day, or at least most of them were. But
I don't know. There seems to be a lot of
activity at nighttime, especially from campers and just people out
in the woods at night. I think they're out and
about twenty four to seven, but I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
I think I don't know, Yeah, I think they're about
about twenty four to seven too. But at night there's
less people, there's less you know, time to get caught
doing things. I mean, all the things, all the encounters
that have happened up here that I've read about here
where we live now, have all been like opportunistic, Like
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somebody's delivering the newspaper, and this is years ago, but
somebody's delivering the newspaper. They and they saw a sasquatch
and it climbed up on a hill and started screaming
at them to leave. They were on a little dirt
road delivering newspapers. Another one that was driving to work
at four in the morning and she worked at a
prison and it was on a dirt road and she
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saw this. She saw a saucequatch, you know, kneeling on
the side of the road and he had been looking
at these two deer across the road. And the woman thought,
maybe he didn't realize he was so into hunting those
deer that he didn't realize when she drove up and
saw him. You know that that type of thing goes
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on here a lot. A lot of people see him,
a lot of road crossings and things. That's why we
got a that's why we got a dash cam because
there's a lot of road crossings that happen up here.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah. Absolutely, does the dash cam record as you guys
are driving or if something like happens, you can go
back and review the video.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Does Yeah, it's yeah, you can. It'll activate for you know,
like like bumps or stuff, you know, small things. But
it has a button on it and it will it
as soon as you hit the button. It will save
the twenty seconds in front of that. So as soon
as you hit it, it'll save the twenty seconds before
you hit the button. So if it happens and you
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hit it within a certain amount of seconds, it'll record
and it'll save it. So that's how That's how they
were on our on our emergency vehicles too.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Oh wow, I need to pick me. I need to
pick one up for myself, and I think that'd be
really cool, especially since I drive through wilderness areas. If
one walks right in front of my vehicle, I'll have
it on film. Is it pretty good apology?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah it is. It's excellent quality and it's uh. He
got it through his truck manufacturer and Nissan and they
put it in for him. It's really good. Have you
have you seen any of the dashcn videos of sausquatches
from Russia? I know you have must have seen those.
Speaker 1 (58:54):
I don't think I have. Are there some good ones
out there?
Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah? Yeah there are. And you know, just like guys
going along on a roal snowy road and like something
big and white, like you were talking about how maybe
they changed their coat color for the season, like something
like this giant, big and white thing just kind of
runs through this very deep snow and you know it's
not a person, you know, there was. I saw one
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like that. I saw another one that was filmed in
Siberia and this thing came out of a bog and
was like climbing out to get these people that were
in a car. I saw that one. You'll have to
you'll have to google it because there's quite a few
out there. Because one of my old partners grew up
in Russia and she said, everybody in Russia has a
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dash can and they're always catching things all the time. Wow.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
So I think I've seen one from Canada late at
night and it was like a terrible snowstorm or it
looked like there was a lot of snow on the
ground with this big white sasquatch on all fours is
like charging the vehicle. I don't know if you've seen
that one.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
No, Oh my goodness, yeah, i'd be speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
So they have the capability of recording at night as well. Correct, Yes, wow, Yeah,
I'm definitely gonna pick one up. I mean, you never know.
I mean, like if someone hit you or something, at
least you have it. So you got evidence that you
know somebody ran into you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Well that too, But I mean I figure if you're
driving along and you see one across the road, you
have like a couple of seconds to register and then
go oh crap, and then hit the button and then
you have twenty seconds back, you know, so you should
be able to catch that. So but yeah, I'm I'm
all about that. I'm I want to start camping up here,
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doing more camping up here. And my husband had a
lot of experiences up here when he was a boy.
Scotty grew up here and they would go, we have
a reservoir that's just down the road from us that's
very mountainous, and you know, the boy scouts would go
there in camp and they would, uh, they would hear
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these just Wars at Night. And you know, the funny
thing about it is is my husband like repressed it
for like decades. He didn't, you know, it was like
it happened, but then he just kind of forgot about
it or repressed it or whatever. And we were watching
the show where they were playing their vocalizations back, and
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he just looked at me and he goes, that's exactly
what I heard at Carbon's Cove when I was a kid.
And I said what he said, yes, he said, and
there was always more than one. And he said they
would fall from peak to peak, like one was on
one peak and one was on the other peak, and
they would call back and forth. And I said, what
did you think it was? And he goes, I don't know.
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He says, just animals, you know, because he's kid, you know,
he's like eight, you know. And I said, well, what
did you ask your your scout master what that was
or anything? He goes, no, he goes, no, we didn't know.
He said. My scout masters were all like World War
two vets. They were in you know, in in Korea.
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There were all these tough old birds. He goes, you're
not going to talk about that stuff too. They weren't.
He said, they weren't afraid of anything. Because asked him,
I said, we aren't you afraid? He goes, no, those guys,
we weren't afraid of anything. They weren't afraid of anything.
But he but yes, he said that there were probably
three or four times where his Boy Scout troop would
would camp out there at the reservoir and they camped
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in an area that's you can't camp at. I mean,
only the Boy Scouts can camp there. It's not like
open to the public. And he said at night, you know,
they would they would he hear these calls, you know,
and he said, sometimes they'd be farther away, but you know,
they were really really loud, and and I just couldn't
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get my head around the fact that he didn't ask
anybody what that was. But he said. One thing that
happened was is that pretty pretty early in their Scout
masters said that they weren't allowed to go to the
latrine by themselves. That they had them go in groups,
at least groups of two. So I don't know if
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that had anything to do with it, but yeah, that
happened to my husband. Oh my gosh. He goes on
and on about that. Now, that's what I heard.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
So, yeah, that's incredible. I took a report from Virginia
and the guy was out there with his family and
I guess when his daughter went to the bathroom at
the park, there was like a sasquad right there in
the woods and a few shots were fired. I don't
think they try to hit it, but like the thing
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just tore off through the woods and it freaked her
out because the little girl just screamed. And yeah, everyone
was like terrorized because it was just unexpected. This thing
was just right there in the woodline, and he didn't
know if it was trying to get his daughter or
what was happening.
Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
I know, isn't that crazy? Those stories about about them
trying to like kidnap women or kids, I've heard. I've
heard that maybe they're curious or I don't I don't
really know. I don't really know. I have heard. I
have watched shows where they talked about they can make
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sounds like a baby crying. Have you heard that.
Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, I've heard that before. That's definitely yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I feel like that's like, and it's just my personal opinion,
but that is a really good way to lure a
woman into the woods. Yes, if you have a sound
like a baby crying, and so I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
That's a good point. You just never know. And possibly
they're trying to lure females into the woods. And I
definitely wouldn't dismiss it because the Native Americans talked about that,
and apparently they've experienced like abductions being carried out by
these creatures, whether it's women or children in the tribes.
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So I don't know. Researchers like researchers will say, oh,
they're just curious, but I would definitely keep in mind
what the Native Americans said, because they lived out there
and they experienced it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yeah. How do you feel about about bigfoot, like especially
in the Northwest, how do you feel about like like
them being writers, like predating on us. I definitely think
that's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, I definitely do. I mean, you always hear that
there's good ones and bad ones out there, and you know,
if you run into a rogue sasquatch or one that's
just hungry and hasn't ate in a long time, I
feel like humans would be on the menu.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So I don't think they're a wealthy Yeah. I feel
like in Florida, since there's a lot of food sources
as far as like fish, gators and all kinds of
little critters, like, they have plenty to eat and they're opportunistic,
so they'll take food from people. I don't feel like
it's likely to happen. But in areas where it's just
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like super vast, like in Canada, you just never know
what they're up to. Like if one's injured and it
can't kill a moose or find food because food's like
really far away, maybe they'll just I don't know, eat someone.
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I mean there's a lot. I always am very curious
about all the people that go missing in our national parks,
and yeah, I'm always curious about that. I feel like
that type of if that activity goes on, I feel
like that happens more out west. And I don't know
why that is. I don't know if it's a different
species of bigfoot out there. They're bigger out there than
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they are on the East Coast, but yeah, I don't
know anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah, something to keep in mind, right when you go camping.
Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Right exactly, I have to e respect.
Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah, what do you say to skeptics who don't believe
the skunk ape exists.
Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Well, I mean there's a lot of things that we
believe in that you know, we can't like put on
a table in front of us, you know. And also,
there are a lot of species of animals that get
discovered every day that we didn't know about before, like
in the Amazon, you know. I mean, they're discovering things
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all the time. So what's to say that there's not
a sasquatch out there? You know, that's not a another
branch off of the evolutionary tree. Okay, I mean you can't.
I mean just because you don't have a body. I
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mean there's so much evidence now, you know, vocalizations and
footprints and video and all types of things. I mean,
it's it's almost I mean, it's almost a sealed deal
at this point to me anyway. But yeah, I mean,
I mean, who's to say they're not out there? I mean,
like I said, they're discovering new things all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
So yeah, I agree with you. These things have already
been discovered. It's just not being announced to the public
because people run into them all the time, and there's
constantly citing reports showing up on the internet and on websites,
and you know a lot of people they even go
on video and talk about it, whether it's like law
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enforcement agents, retired military, and just all walks of life.
So it's out there, I mean, the cats out of
the bag. Just the authority figures aren't ready to admit it.
And you know, there's people in the government that know
about it. Obviously not everyone, but I feel like it's
a it's a known thing when it comes to like
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forest rangers. And I don't think every forest ranger knows.
I'm just saying, like people that have been working there
for a long time, you know, they've heard a thing
or two.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Well that's the thing is that you know, it's like,
think about it. If you think about it this way,
It's like there are there are out especially out West Okay,
these national parks, they have primitive camping areas. You know
that people can go and camp. And you know when
they close one of those, especially after it's been open
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for years and years and years and they close one
of those, doesn't it pique your interest a little bit?
Why are they closed that area? Was it because people
had running? I mean, it's already primitive camping, so there's
not really like crazy facilities, but you know what I mean, No,
it's kind of like I feel like primitive camping is. Yeah,
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and you know, and the other thing is the other
thing that I'm curious about. These people that work for
our government that operate drones and you know, look at
the spy satellites and all that stuff, because they do it.
You know, they have to see these things. You know,
if you're looking over top of Washington State, you know,
you have to people have to be seeing these things.
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But obviously top secret, they can't talk about it, you.
Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Know, Yeah, they would have to admit that they're spying
on the people, right.
Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I had a law enforcement agent here in Missouri that
told me about his bigfoot encounter. He was a canine
unit and he was at a place called Little Indian Creek.
It's a pretty fair sized conservation area out in the
middle of nowhere. But he was driving out there around
midnight or like two or three in the morning, and
this huge white sasquatch walked in front of his vehicle
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and it went into a field and into the forest.
I mean the field is huge there. I've been to
that area before and he hit it with the spotlight
and he said when he hit it with the spotlight,
this thing took off, and he said it had been
running like seventy miles an hour. And he told me
that there's a facility pretty close to there and pretty
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much they watch I don't know. It's like a like
a geo thermal satellite company. And he said what he
was told was that these things have seen like those
people have seen sasquatch on the thermal satellites in space
and they watch them and they know all about them.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
See yeah, because if they can look into your windows
from space, you know that they can catch sasquatch out
in the woods. And I feel like those satellites have
like some type of light art where you can just
see through the trees. Because there was also this I
don't know, like these people were being held captive in
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New York and these big buildings and the show was
talking about how the law enforcement had like the capability
to see through the walls and they could tell where
every hostage was. And this was like on a public
TV show. So I'm like, dang, if they can look
through buildings, they can definitely look through the trees.
Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh my goodness, absolutely, I totally believe that. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
And there's that recent video that came out from North
Carolina of the Blackhawk helicopter some type of military helicopter,
and they were hovering over an area waiting to do
their training or whatever, and one of the guys capture
this huge bipedal creature and it's running through the mountains.
I mean, it's crossing like the creeks with ease at nighttime.
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I thought that was pretty interesting. So they definitely know
about it, and it's just I don't know, they don't
want to tell us.
Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I guess I don't know. I mean they already admitted
it or UFOs were real. I feel like it's just
one next step, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I agree. I feel like we should be told because, yeah,
people are out there looking for them, but most of
the time, like these things like come up to people's
camp or they'll just walk in front of someone's vehicle.
So I feel like if they didn't do that, I
would understand their reasoning and just leave them alone. But
these things are approaching people, so we need to be
aware of it because you just never know if you're
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going to run into one. And it's sad because, like
we talked about it earlier, people are going missing. Like
people just turn around and their daughter's missing, like she
was right behind them on the trail and they can't
find them. They immediately send out a search team right
after it happens, and the person has never found Like
that happens a lot, and if these things are doing it,
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we definitely need to know about it, because the missing
people reports just keep on rising. And obviously, you know,
a lot of it could have to do with like alcohol, drugs,
mental health, people getting lost, but in some cases, I
definitely do believe it's cryptid creatures. And that's just scary
to think that some unknown creature can come out and
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just take you away and you'll never be seen again.
Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah, Or or they'll find you like way way far
away from you know, or on a boat. They'll find
your remains up on a peak someplace and they don't
know how you got up there. That's happened a few
times too, yeah for sure about that where they found
people's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
So yeah, they find their belongings, their clothes, and then
like miles away, up on a mountain, they find the
remains and it just doesn't make sense a lot of times,
like they've already searched an area and when they come back,
the closes folded nice and neatly, like where they parked at.
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I feel like that's like a Bigfoot sign because I've
had gifts from the Sasquatch when they were around here,
and it's like the area that I would start at,
like where i'd leave all my stuff at, like my
my base camp. Basically, like I'd come back and there
would be objects sitting there, like a stick poked in
the ground, or a mushroom or a feather, and it's
like they were letting me know that they were watching me.
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So I feel like it's the same scenario with the
with the clothes, like they just bring it back.
Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Oh that's interesting. Oh wow, m yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
What advice would you give to someone who wants to
start researching the skunk Cape? Like where should they start
in Florida?
Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
So, oh, well, you know, just see where you live,
where's close to you. What I did was is I
just started looking. I started at the BFRO website and
I started looking for incidents that happened around me close
to me, and then I just started hiking those areas.
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And you know, when you're when you're out hiking and
you're out and about and stuff, sometimes you meet people
and talk to them. You know, sometimes you have the
same interest and stuff, and you know, sometimes you can
hear about uh sightings like that, you know, from from
people on the trail or or something like that. But
that's a that's a really good way to start, just
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see like I didn't even know that there was a
there was a report filed at a little pond like
right behind where I used to live in Florida where
we lived for twenty years. I had no idea. So yeah,
so that's what I would start doing, just just seeing
what where the activity is, you know, and I looked
on there and saw where it was in relation to
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like arcs, life management areas that you could visit stuff
like that, you know, and then I just started going
into those areas and hiking, you know, and just talking
to people that you know, you meet, and that's where
I would start. You know, that's a good start, and
then later on, you know, you can you can a
lot of people have a lot of equipment, you know
when they go out into the like drones and you know,
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night vision cameras and everything like that. I don't have
anything like that, but but you know, the sky's a limit.
I mean, you can you can go anywhere and explore
in Florida, but that's where I would start. Definitely.
Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's great advice. I believe these things
are a lot closer than what people believe, especially if
you already live, like in a forested area, Chances are
there are sighting reports close to you no matter where
you are in North America, right, I.
Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Mean we do that here. I mean I've I've like
mapped out around us where i know things happened or
things I've taken off their website or other websites. And
then my husband and I will go there and nine
times out of ten there's either a creek we can
walk or a trail that we can walk, and we'll
just go there and walk that trail and we'll just say, well,
what makes this an agreeable place for a sasquatch to be?
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You know? Is there ample game? Are there houses close
where they leave out their garbage? Is there opportunistic food opportunities?
Is there water? You know that type of thing? You know,
is there like any of that, so, and that's what
we do here. We do. We do quite a lot
of hiking doing that here.
Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah. Absolutely, that's a great way to discover sign and
possibly run into one. One thing I've noticed with my
research is like, for example, with the mountain gorilla, is
like they take a miles and miles up into the
mountains and they have machetes and they're cutting these these
trails to get through and eventually they find the gorillas.
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But with Sasquatch, I've noticed like sometimes if you just
set up camp in a remote area, these things will
come up to you and I don't know, I feel
like they become really curious, and when you're not encroaching
on their land, they'll come up to you and they'll
like break a branch or do a loud wood knock.
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But I don't know, do you feel like it's better
sitting in place in a wilderness area or exploring miles
and miles.
Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Well, what I would do, I mean honestly, is that
I would if you're in a place like let's say,
like the airbnb we were just at, I would like
cook dinner on a grill and you have that food smell,
so cook something really good like barbecue chicken or something.
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And then and then go down to your fire pit
and just sit around the fire pit atn't I you
know what I mean. And I feel like they're very
very they're very very intelligent, so they're very very curious.
And if you're like around there, they're gonna smell what
you're cooking. That's going to bring them in, all right.
And then they're gonna see you around the fire pit,
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you know, because you're talking, people make noises, laughter, all
that stuff. And I feel like that brings them in
because they're just naturally curious. So and like you said,
then you might hear a woodknock, then you might hear
a branch break, you know. Yeah, I mean they might
vocalize or you know, but I and I'm not going
to say that that happens like every time, but I
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think that's a good start, especially if you live in
a place or you have access to a place that's
you know, next to like like we are vast tracks
of national forest, you know. And yeah, that's why I'm
looking forward to camping. You know, they'll they're just curious.
They'll come in and just see what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Yeah. Absolutely, I feel like both approach, Like both tactics
are good methods because like when you're hiking you might
run into like a structure area or if you're camping,
these things may be really smart and when you're walking
around they're able to avoid you. So like the curiosity
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will get the best of them, and if you're cooking food,
they'll come in.
Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yes, yes, And I also think the hiking in the
woods is excellent too. It's just I don't know my
bearings a pure enough yet to go that route, but
I know, I think they're here, and I think that,
you know, more people should be studying them, and you know,
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realizing these things are real. I mean they're part of
our world and and I'm as curious about them as
they are about us.
Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
So yeah, absolutely. And that Airbnb that you stayed at
that looked awesome, I mean that was just amazing. I
love airbnbs, especially as a bigfoot researcher, because let's say,
if you do set up camp out in the middle
of nowhere and you have like a really expensive drone
a bunch of camera equipment, it's hard to go exploring
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and just leave all that behind. It's like, what if
someone comes and just steals all this stuff. So with
like an airbnb, like you can lock it up and
then go explore, but you're also out in the middle
of nowhere. A lot of these airbnbs are way out
in the country and forested areas by National forest or
conservation wilderness areas. So I feel like that's a really
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good method for bigfoot researchers.
Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah. I mean, like I said, you can go on
a website and see where sightings have been okay, and
then you can go on Airbnb and see if anybody's
got a place around there, you know, and then just
go rent it and then just go up there and
check it out.
Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Yeah, for sure. And did you guys hear anything strange
when you stayed at the airbnb? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
We? My husband said, so it had. It had a
creek that ran like semi small river that ran out
behind it. And we walked the creek a few couple
of days while we were there. And the first day
we were there, my husband said, because the creek kind
of goes up around this bin, and he said that
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he thought he heard someone walking in the creek. And
we never saw another person the whole time we were there.
And I mean, I guess it could have been like
a deer or a bear or something like that. But
he said, but I mean, my husband was in the military.
It's like he knows when something is bipedal. But he said,
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you know, I don't know what that was, but I
heard I heard something walking in the creek, and then
he heard like a couple of small noises in the woods.
But you know, there's so much wildlife up there, you know,
unless you actually see something, And we weren't there long
enough to really get in depth. But I would like
to go back there because it's a beautiful area that is.
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Augusta County has a lot of bigfoot documentation up there
because it's part of the National Forests up there. But
I would like to go back.
Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Yeah, it sounds like an excellent area. And yeah, Melissa,
you did an awesome job at describing these experiences and
relaying the encounters that other people around you had, and yeah,
that's just amazing. I would love to go to Florida
and experience the activity myself. I am talking with other
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researchers and trying to pick people's brain to see if
it's possible or if maybe the researchers around here would
like to go on a trip.
Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Well, don't go in the summertime.
Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Yeah, when's the best time to go?
Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I would go. I would go when it's still cool out,
which is hardly ever, but I would go like at
the end of January, beginning of February. The thing about
if you go to Valusia County, the thing about that is,
is it the months of February and March you have
a lot of large special events as there's a ton
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of people around. But if you go like at the
mid to end of January, it's maybe I don't even know.
I mean, it's like what fifty degrees there if that?
And no, there's no bugs and yeah, no bugs, and
and it's fairly dry, and you don't have to worry
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about the sweltering heat of summer, because I mean the
heat in Florida anymore is downright dangerous and so hot.
Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Oh yeah, I bet here in Missouri it's pretty nasty
right now. Like when I'm walking through the woods, I'm
constantly pulling spider ebs off my face, off my eyelash,
and then I'm bending down to check for ticks on
my legs, and it's just like ah, And then as
I'm doing that. Mosquitoes are biting through my shirt on
my back and on the back of my neck. It's
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like all at the same time. It's just like it's
a nasty feeling, especially with how hot and humid it is.
But if I don't get out, then I'll have to
wait till wintertime. And I'm just utilizing each season for
the benefits that it provides. And the summertime may be nasty,
but everything's real thick. People aren't getting out in the woods,
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and I feel like it's a good time to experience
bigfoot activity. And yeah, each season has a perk.
Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. I mean when it gets
real deep deep summer. And the thing about it is
is August anymore down there, August isn't even the hottest month.
I mean it's kind of like moved up. Everything's moved
up a month. You know. It's like September seems to
be the hottest month now, you know, And you have
to you have to keep in mind also to hurricane season, ah,
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because if you have if you go into a place
that's had a hurricane come in, you know, a lot
of its cover is gone. So you had to think
about that too, you know so, but but yeah, I
mean there's plenty of there are plenty of places around
that I know of that you could go and investigate.
Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
So yeah, absolutely, And I appreciate you for sharing the
information openly, especially about some of the locations, and I'm
sure it will help out locals in the area who
are out there trying to look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Well, I'm happy, I'm happy to do and I'm happy
to share my story. So when I watched that episode
that you had up about the other gentlemen that had
the experiences and in east, uh, east central Florida or
northeast central Florida, Yeah, I knew right where that. I
pretty much knew right where that was.
Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, and it's awesome to hear you validate that these
creatures are there indeed, and they're still there today. Do
you feel like the hurricanes disrupt the sasquatch behavior, like
where would they go? What would they do on a
huge hurricane? Heads?
Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I feel like I feel like they like any other animals,
I feel like they kind of know where the high
ground is. So when you get these hurricanes that come
in along the coasts, you know they're all just going
to head in west, and you know, most most of
the animals know enough to get out of the way,
and they know where the high ground is. And I
mean Sasquatch, I mean, I can't I can't imagine that
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they would be any different. But sometimes, you know, these
things just blow up on you, you know, and I
feel like some of them get drowned too. It's just
like people, you know, because they have little ones too.
Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
So yeah, that's a good point. And if the wildlife survives,
and surely these things can, right.
Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
It's because it's like, uh, I don't know, animals just
know things. They just they know things from the environment,
you know, if they're barometers dropping or you know, like
you would have in a hurricane. It's like animals can
feel that with their body and then they're going to
start moving away from the water, you know. And yeah,
they probably just move on up to the middle of
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the state. The middle of the state's higher obviously than
the coast, so they probably just move up into that
green heart we talked about in Florida, just hang out
there until it passes.
Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Yeah, I would agree. I noticed here in Missouri before
a huge storm hits, like all the wildlife just disappears,
and I'll go walking through the forest, It's like, where
are they? And after it gets done raining, maybe it's
still sprinkling. After the storm, all of a sudden, all
the animals start coming out, and it's like, man, they
were hiding somewhere. It's like they knew that a bad
storm was coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yeah, we don't really have I mean in North Florida
we do, but we don't really have like caves and
stuff that people can crawl into, you know, but we
do have a lot of uh, I don't know. I
mean it depends on where you go. There's a lot
of like abandoned areas too. Uh So, I don't know,
I don't know where they go, but they seem to
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avoid for the most part, animals seem to avoid, you know,
the storms.
Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
So yeah, do you like where you're living at now
compared to where you were at in Florida? You probably
get more pies?
Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Well, and it's well, most days it's cooler. Not lately,
but most days it's it's cooler. And and it's a
it's a completely different ecosystem here. It's I mean, what
the forest, it's different animals, different sounds, you know, different terrain,
so it's it's something new, you know, I've never lived
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in the mountains and uh and I really enjoy it, so,
you know, and looking for soft squatch. It just goes
hand in hand with that, you know. I feel like
the more time that you spend in nature, the more
tuned in you get with it, so that you could
pick out things that maybe aren't I don't want to
say normal, but that are less well, you know, like
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things that are out of the norm.
Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Yeah. Absolutely. And you move from one bigfoot hotspot area
to another, so you're definitely probably going to experience more
in the future, especially since you're going into the woods.
You talked about going camping. I think you will run
into these things again.
Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Yeah. Yeah, so we love to go hiking, so yeah
we will. I'm sure we will.
Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Yeah. Absolutely. Just be careful when you're out there. You
never know what these things are capable of, and definitely
keep your head on a swivel.
Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Yeah. Absolutely. Do you have any questions for me before
we end the call?
Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Okay, Well, Melissa, you did an excellent job and I
really appreciate your kindness. Your experiences were truly fascinating and
I appreciate everything you did today.
Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Well, thank you, Migael. I appreciate you very much, and
I'll be looking for the thing like a couple months
down the line or however long it takes you to
do that. I appreciate you calling me and spending time
with me like this.
Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm extremely grateful that you log down your
report and it really helps out the channel. So yeah,
I should be thanking you.
Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Thanks. So if we I'll be in touch if we
have anything else going up here, because we're actively looking.
Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, let me know if you're running to another one, Okay,
I will. All right, Melissa, you have yourself an excellent
day and I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Okay, all right, Thanks Miguel, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Yeah you too. You take care you too, Bye bye.
All right, Melissa, thank you very much for sharing your
bigfoot encounters and experiences from the state of Florida. Lake
Harney definitely looks like a really cool area. I mean,
the whole state looks awesome, and I would love to
check it out someday, even if it's going on vacation
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at the beach or staying in the swamps. I think
that would be so cool. And I just think it
would be an awesome place to do research because in
some swamp areas it looks like huge grasslands and I
think that would be really cool to fly the drone
over those types of areas. But of course, in the
big woods it's really hard to see. There's a lot
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of pines, a lot of palm meadows, and it's super thick.
But still I would feel like I'm in Jurassic Park
walking through there. And I am sure the bugs are horrible,
the snakes, the gators, the humidity, the heat, and yeah,
it's a lot to deal with being in the woods
in general during the summertime, and right now it's super
tough around here because of all the ticks, spider snakes, mosquitoes,
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and poison ivy. It's just horrible. But anyways, I appreciate
everyone for listening. If you have a bigfoot or crypted
encounter you would like to share with me, please get
in touch with me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com.
And I really appreciate all the support from everyone, the
donations and you guys are amazing. Until the next one,
you guys, be safe out in the woods.