BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS IN THE HUDSON GORGE WILDERNESS | EXPERIENCES IN THE OCEANEE NATIONAL FOREST - SASQUATCH THEORY

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
this episode, we have John from North Carolina and he's
had several bigfoot encounters and many experiences ranging from New
York all the way down into the Carolinas. John was
hunting in the Hudson Gorge Wilderness when he encountered a

(00:25):
jet black figure that he believes to be sasquatch. John
has found tree structures in the forest and he has
experienced large creatures charging through the woods after using his
game calls. John has also had bigfoot encounters and experiences
in the Ocannee National Forest in Georgia, and there's no
doubt in my mind that these creatures are not in

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the area. I've been there before and it's very vast,
the mountains are huge, and in Blue Ridge, Georgia, is
where the Sasquatch Expedition Bigfoot Museum is located at. Have
you had a bigfoot I citing encounter before? If so,
please get in touch with me at Sasquatch Theory at
outlook dot com and I would certainly like to hear

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about it. But with all that being said, let's dive
straight into John's bigfoot encounters from the East Coast. All right, John,

(01:29):
welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today doing
good man? Thanks for having me. Absolutely, it's a pleasure
to have you on the show. John. If you would
tell me a little bit about yourself, where you're from,
and your bigfoot experiences from the very beginning, please, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
So I'm from upstate New York, originally at where I
was born and raised. Actually was born in or I
was raised in Senecton, New York, but my grandparents lived
on a dairy farm out in East Kodak, New York,
which is a not too horribly far from the Massachusetts
New York border. So I grew up hunting fishing like

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a lot of young guys up there, been doing that
in my entire life. So my first encounter actually happened
when I was really young, probably I don't know, six
or seven years old. One of my earliest childhood memories,
my grandfather had a pile of fifty seven crushing stone

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crushed tome, and I was playing on it with my
cousin and there was about a twenty foot bank to
the left of it that went down to some railroad tracks,
and the back inside of those railroad tracks were just
woods for a long, long, long ways, and I remember
playing and then I looked up kind of down the
bank and there was a I don't know how so

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explaining a very very large, completely black figure standing about
ten to fifteen feet from me and my cousin and
just looking. And I don't remember a whole lot of details.
This was thirty one years ago, thirty two years ago,
so I don't remember a ton of details. I don't

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even remember a face. That was one of the things
that always haunted me growing up. As I would try
and recall it, I couldn't remember a face, just a
jet black figure. Everything was black, and I stared at
it for maybe two or three seconds, and then the
next memory I have is the wind hitting my face
as I was running back up to the house to

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tell my mother. We were over at my grandparents visiting,
and I told my mom, and I remember my mom
just saying, Oh, it's probably with one of your uncle's
playing a trick on you. And but my uncles actually
didn't live at home at the time, so I really
don't know. I really don't know who that was or
what that was. How that was the first Yeah, the

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first experience to kind of set the.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Tone absolutely, And before we move on, how big was
this creature? Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
So? I remember it towered over me and it was
standing on about a thirty five degree inclined hill and
it was about ten foot and it was over me.
Still silly. This was a very large now, Kranton, I
was really young, so everything kind of looked big, but
it was big. I was looking probably I was looking

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up at it still, So this was a very large individual.
So if it was one of my uncles, he was
wearing stilts.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, that's terrifying. And about how far away was the creature?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Probably about fifteen feet ten feet? It was very close,
extremely close.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Oh wow, yeah, that is close. And I can see
why you took off running.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah. I didn't sit there and try and figure out
really what it was. I seen that it was a
big black you know, at the time, I thought it
was a man, and then I took off running and
that was that.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Did it seem like it was facing you or facing away?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So I think it was facing me. Like I said,
I can't remember facial features, but I feel like it
was facing me. I haven't I've never asked my cousin
about this. I need to call her at some point
as just you know, trying to break the ice with
someone about this, like, hey, you remember seeing a big
foot when you were six? It's kind of a weird question,
but but I do need to call her, But yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, absolutely, And did you recall anything strange during that encounter,
like an odd smell or did you hear something before
you saw it?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I did not. I don't remember a smell. I don't
remember anything wrong until I just looked up in this
thing which is standing there. Come to find out, throughout
the years, my uncles, who have lived and hunted their
my whole life, have heard and seen some really strange things.
Now they're not They have not accepted the fact that

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there's anything other than us in the woods, so they
always play it off as something else whatever. But they've
told me about weird sounds they've heard. And my one
uncle claims he saw a he saw something running through
a field, and my other uncle's, eh, you were drinking
too much, And it's like, well, guys, you know, every
time you drink, do you see a sasquatch? No, So

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that doesn't really that argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
But yeah, so there is a history other than just
what happened to me in that area for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. Absolutely. Do you recall the time of year, like,
was it summertime or winter time?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
This summer? Yeah, it would have been summer, yeah, because
we were over actually having a family get together and
we always did that in the summer.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah. And you said this was in New York, is
that correct?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes? This was an upstate New York about two hours
north of New York City, straight up the Hudson Nerder.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
So it's pretty deep woods there, correct.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yes, Yeah, it's mostly farmland in that area. But you're
not far from you. I'm sure you've heard of the
Bennington Triangle, you know, the whole Vermont, My, you know
that area. You're not far from there, You're you could
walk through the woods eventually to get to that, to
get to that area.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, that's really interesting. So what other experiences unfolded after
this encounter?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, so don't really remember anything through my early childhood
other than that. So I started bow hunting when I
was fourteen, so full time, kind of out on my own.
That was when I first got my hunting license, and
my I had a strange encounter. It was October. It

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was I was probably I was fourteen, my first year,
and I noticed behind this tree there was this large
hairy mass and I couldn't figure out what it was.
I was looking through a really para binoculars that I
my parents gave me for Christmas or something, and I
couldn't tell make out what it was. I was about

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sixty yards from me, and I put my binoculars down
and I looked back up, and the hairy mass that
was behind like half behind a tree, is gone. And
all of a sudden, there's a maple tree in front
of me. Because I'm sitting up in the tree stands
sitting up in front of me, and the whole tree
shakes like something hit it with a truck. Completely no

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wind that day, completely calm. Just the strangest thing, like
the tree decided to have a temper tantrum like randomly
like and just shook violently for no particular reason. But
the strangest thing about that whole, you know, little episode,
was I never heard anything. I never seen anything. The

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tree was literally moving basically on its owner. What I thought,
I it's not like anything, ran up to it and
hit it and ran away. It was the strangest. It's
what still to this one of the strangest things that
I've ever seen, was that tree just starts shaking violently. Now,
this wasn't a big tree to where there could have
been a bear up in it or some sort of
animal up on the top that was shaking it. It was

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a relatively small tree, probably only I'm guessing twelve to
fifteen feet tall. It was a maple. It's the leaves
were orange that time of year, late October, so it
still had all the leaves on it, but they were changing.
But because the leaves were starting to die, they were
really loud when you shook the tree. And I remember
that and the tree, like I said, just when just

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shook really hard, like a tree to it or like
a truck hit it, and then and then nothing. So
that was a strange little episode. You know, I don't know.
I'm not going to say that that was a bigfoot.
I have no idea, but it was just weird.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, did it seem like there was something invisible there
shaking the tree. I'm not saying there was, But is
that kind of the impression you got because a tree
that that was the impression I got, yeah, like it
wasn't big enough for like a sasquatch, yeah to hide
behind it. And you could see all up and down
the tree, and you notice there wasn't a bear there.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Right, there wasn't anything there. It just the tree just
started shaking for just a second or two. It wasn't long.
It wasn't like something was grabbing it and shaking it.
It was like it was more like something hit it,
like it was running it, like like if if if
a truck was driving through the woods and bumped into it,
That's what it was. It was more like that. Yes,

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so nothing happens afterwards.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Absolutely, so it was too violent for it to be
just like a fox squirrel in a tree, Like.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yes, this was not a squirrel. Yeah, okay, squirrel was
not a raccoon.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I've seen examples like that on YouTube where these trees
are just shaking violently in the woods and people claim
it's sasquatch, and I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, like I said, I don't know exactly what that was.
You know, at the time, I'm only fourteen. I really
don't have a frame of reference. Sasquatch is not on
my brain yet. I really had no interest in the
subject at that point in my life. I when I
hit about sixteen, it's probably when I've probably first seen
my kind of sashquatch stuff on the Travel Channel. And
I remember on the Travel Channel and they used to

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play all that kind of stuff. You know. I'm thirty eight,
so I'm a millennial, but I kind of got a
bit of an interest in it. Not a real hard interest,
but just like, you know, this is this is kind
of cool. So my next encounters really came in Georgia.
So when I was eighteen, my wife and I were

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married high school sweethearts, still married to this day, twenty
years and we moved to Georgia, got out of New
York and moved down south. My uncle's at the time,
who used to live in New York all lived down south,
and these were my hunting buddies. These are the guys
I grew up hunting with. And that's where the next
kind of encounters happened. So the first, the first thing

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that happened that was extremely strange, and I talked about
this in my email that I had sent you, was
my uncle and I were hunting on a place called
the Coney Wma, which is Wildlife Management Area, and it's
it's old Native American land. It's actually a what they
call a rock hawk on it. It's a giant rock
formation that's that's shaped like a like an eagle. They

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call it an eagle or a hawk. So definitely heavy
Native American presence there. And I was hunting on the
top of a hill probably about fifty yards one hundred
and fifty feet or so tall to the bottom, and
I'm watching the bottom. It's rifle season, so it would
have been in mid November. This is about two thousand,

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ten twenty eleven something around there, So, like I said,
in late November, and right at dark, I see what
I thought was my uncle coming out of the planet pines.
Now here in the South, when they cut the pines
and they replant them get really really sick. The lob

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lollies grow up and they grow, you know, they just
turn into a thicket. And I thought my uncle walked
out of it, out into the bottom, which was really strange.
Now this is right at dark, so it's getting to
the point where I really can't see a lot of details,
but I can make out shapes, and he walks while
I thought it was he he walks down in front

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of me at about eighty yards, and I'm watching him,
and I whistle to try and get his attention because
I thought it was my uncle. And it stops. He
just stops and gets behind the truth and that was that.

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He never came back out. I shined a flashlight down there.
I whistled a few more times, started getting kind of
really nervous, like, hey, is he okay? Did something happen?
So I kind of gathered my things real quick, and
I stood up and I started walking down the hill.
And I heard a ranch break behind me, and I
look behind me, and here's my uncle walking from the

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exact opposite direction of the slashlight. So I looked back
down the hill. I don't know what that is down there,
but I wasn't about to go find out, so I
just turned around and left with him. Never mentioned the
word of it to him. We just we just walked out.
So that was definitely a strange happening. Now, could it
have been a guy? Maybe I didn't notice that it

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was an entirely overly man's size, but it was very strange.
And where he came walking out, Like I said, he
came walking out of planet pines that you couldn't drive
a truck into. It would stop a truck right at
dark with no orange and no light on Georgia Public
Land during rightful season.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, that is you know, it's just not normal. No,
that's not normal at all. And there's an important detail
there when you whistled. This thing hid behind a tree.
And I wonder if the sasquatch do that, because I've
had them with at me when I would show up
on it like unexpectedly. One time, I was coming back
home and I live in a forested area and I

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never park at the top of the driveway, and I
just like slammed on the brakes and got out of
my vehicle because I was like, oh, I'm going to
check on my trail cameras while I'm up here. And
when I checked the trail camera came back to my vehicle.
I was standing there and one whistled, like a real
sharp whistle, and then another one in front of me,
and then another one to my right. So it's kind
of like whatever it was in the woods triangulated around me,

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and I think I threw them off because I always
drive all the way through the woods to the parking
lot where I live. Instead. This time, I parked at
the top of the driveway and it's like a quarter
mile till you get to the house. And it's like,
I think it threw them off because I never just
stopped there.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Sure. Yeah, And you know, we've had a lot of
encounters over the years hunting. We're not your typical hunters.
We don't do the same thing all the time. We
don't drive our trucks to our tree stands. We walk
with the wind, no matter how long that might take.
That might mean that a three hundred yard walk took
a mile and a half this day. So we're very
we're very erratic in how we enter our spots and

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get to our places. So I think that maybe contributes
to all of the strange experiences I've had, because they're
they're pretty numerous. So and I can move on to
the next one. So uh so in uh where was
I next? So back in New York about two years later,
I had I actually had moved from Georgia to North Carolina,

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which is where I currently live. I'm a federal contractor.
I work on Fort Bragg, North Carolina. So this was
this was in New York. I would go on back
up to New York to visit family during October. It
was opening day in Muslu season, and we were hunting
in the Adirondack Mountains. I cannot remember the name of

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the meg It's the Hudson Gorge Wilderness area up there.
So it's like everywhere else in the Adirondecks, it's just
vast wilderness. There's nothing, with the exception of a few
small towns. So we got up opening morning. I did
not have a muzzle orter with me. I had my bow.
Everybody else had their muzzleloaders, so everybody who else walked

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out of camp. We were parked on the side of
a mountain road, and we walked down the road and
I found a little draw that went up kind of
into the mountains, and I said, oh, this is a
good place as any I'm not used to hunting this land.
I've lived in the South since i was eighteen years old.
I don't know how to hunt the mountains. I'm used
to hunting bottoms and pine tickets and that sort of thing.

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So I just started walking up the side of the
mountain and I got about three hundred yards from the road.
Four hundred yards from the road and the hill leveled off,
which was really cool because I thought it was just
going to be a kind of just a straight incline.
But it got up the hill and it leveled off
into like a big flat swamp. Right. So I'm standing
on the edge of where leveled off by a big tree,

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just kind of watching and noticed it was it got real,
real quiet, super quiet, to the point where I started
getting freaked out. And again I had no real knowledge
of sasquatch or anything, no intimate knowledge yet, so I
didn't know any of this men. But it got really quiet.
The hair stood up on the back of my neck

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for no particular reason other than I was a little
bit nervous just because I'm in the mountains and it's
a new environment. So I was a little nervous for
that reason, but no reason to be scared. Like I
was just very, very terrified for no reason. So I'm
standing there and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna let
this beat me. I'm just gonna keep going. I'm this
is stupid, There's no reason to be afraid. So I

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took one more step away from this big tree and
a tree in front of me that I couldn't see,
but it probably, I don't know, eighty two one hundred
yards comes crashing down and this was a very large tree.
This wasn't a branch, this was a tree. I could
hear it crack and snap and slam the ground. And again,
this was on a day with no wind. It had

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not rained, so there was no real reason for trees
to be falling. But that was my cue. The fear
at that point kind of climax, and I said, I'm
out of here. So I turned tail and started walking
back down the hill. The whole way down the hill,
I don't know if it was just my nerves or
what it was, but I thought I could hear, you know,

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small branches and things breaking behind me as I'm walking down,
and I'm thinking, well, maybe it was a bear. There's
a lot of bears up there. So walked back down
the hill, got to the road. As soon as I
got to the road, I felt a little better and
walked the four or five hundred yards back up the
road back to camp, sat down, made some lunch, no
big deal. Definitely kind of freaked out the whole day,

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and later that day my uncle and a couple buddies
that we were with decided to go back into town
to get some stuff. We weren't going to hunt that afternoon,
and this is when it really freaked me out. So
as we're driving down the road right where I came out,
I had placed a little pink ribbon up in the
tree so that my uncles would knew where I went
up in. And right there next to my ribbon, there's

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a small pine sapling and not actually not very small
at all. It was probably about four or five inches
in diameter. Is broken above my head and I'm six
foot two, so it's above my head, so probably six
and a half to seven feet. It snapped, and it's
just leaned towards the road. Extremely fresh. Was not there
when I was there. I hadn't noticed that for sure,

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and that really kind of creaked me out. As soon
as I seen that, I said, ooh, okay, so there
was actually something there, and there was something probably following
me down the hill. And I didn't hunt the rest
of the weekend. I just stayed around camping and chilled.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, it sounds like they were sending you a message,
and they were letting you know that they were watching you.
And I do believe the creature that pushed down. The
tree is the same one that broke the sapling next
to the ribbon, and I've had an experience like that
one time. This was years ago, before I even knew
that sasquatch existed. I set up a black chair in

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the woods next to this thick cedar tree, and I
was just trying to, you know, get some cover when
I was rifle hunting. But I didn't see anything that day.
And it's a spot where the deer usually cross up
the driveway. And this is the same exact spot where
I talked about earlier where I got whistled, that same
same exact area, but I didn't see anything that day.

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It got dark, I went home. There was no rain,
no wind, no bad weather. I go back the next
day and that cedar tree it's about I don't know,
I would say like six to eight inches in diameter,
is snapped about eight feet high, and it's it's so
fresh that you can smell the cedar, and I mean
like it just broke. And I had been sitting next
to that cedar tree, so I just thought to myself, like, Wow,

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that's weird. It didn't rain, there was no wind at all,
Like it was just a dead silent night, and I
didn't I didn't know what it was. I kind of
chuckled and said, huh, maybe it was bigfoot. But after
that I just kind of brushed it off and continued hunting.
And that that same spot years later ended up being
where I had encounters at where all kinds of stuff happened.

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But I feel like they're sending you a message, like
they knew, like, hey, we were watching you sit sitting
here hunting, and they were letting me know that they
were watching me. But at the time, I was just like, what,
how does a cedar tree just break like that?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah? And then that was the curious part when I
seen the tree, because everything else I could kind of
play off, well, a tree fell, I'm nervous, I'm walking
back down the hill, maybe I'm hearing things, whatever. But
when I seen the tree that was broken and just
hours before it was not broken, and this is a
pretty large tree, you know, nothing I'm going to break
or anyone else is going to break that. Really that

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really got to me, just because it was visual, you know,
evidence that I could see, and I couldn't play off
other than something broke it. I mean, it didn't break
on its own. It's a healthy tree. There's nothing wrong
with it. So yeah, so that's that's uh, that's kind
of New York. And that brings me kind of back
to North Carolina. So what happened in North Carolina actually

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happened a few times kind of without me really understanding
it until a few years later. So I was on
Lee Game Lands, which is in Lee County, North Carolina,
not too far from Harnett County, where you've had some
other You've had some other folks on that have been
talking about some encounters. So I'm hunting in a place
that's inside of planet pines, about eight foot tall, and

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it's a why of hardwoods that's about thirty yards. Why,
it's a bottom that they actually left when they logged it.
They're not allowed to log the creek bottoms. They have
to stay so far off of the creeks when they
log it. So you're left with these hardwood veins and
they make for really good hunting spots because they're great funnels.
So it's it's the base of a hy and seeing

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a bunch of deer. This was late October. I'd hunted
there all through the bow season. It's it's now it's
now muzzle over season. I didn't have a muzzle otter still,
so I still had my bow. I loved bow hunt,
so I was always out with my bow and I
would blow on my grunt call. I had a little uh,
a little can call, one of the primost can calls

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that you flip over and you know, it's getting to
that rout time, it's getting towards Halloween. So I would
flip it over a couple of times and it would
dobely and something would come running off of the the
top of the hill down to the edge of the
pines really loud, like super loud, uh, to the point
where I actually I got a little nervous, but then

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really excited because I thought, oh man, this is you know,
this is a big one. He's going to come out
of the pines and I'm gonna I'm gonna get a shot.
And it would get to the edge of the pines,
you know, not far from me, maybe twenty yards because
again this this only thirty yards wide. You'd get to
the edge of the pines and then it would just
pace up and down the pines, and the pacing was
extremely odd sounding. It didn't sound like a deer. You know,

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you know, you know the sound of a deer. You
know the fore feet you can hear all four hit
in the ground. This did not sound like this. This
sounded like like me trying to be sneaky. But it's
so close that I can hear it. I can hear
twigs pop, and then a few feet later, I'll hear
it down a little further and it would pace for
a couple of minutes, and then it would just go

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quiet and then nothing. And then an hour later I
would I'd hit the can call again, you know, trying
to get that buck to come out, because I'm still
thinking it's a book, and it would run back down
to the pledge of the pines and do the same thing.
So that happened several times in that spot. And then

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what was very odd was I would sit in different
places around this block of planted pines, about a three
hundred acre block of pines, and I wouldn't always sit
in just that one spot. I'd sit in different places
around it, and no matter where I sat, it did
not matter. No matter where I sat. Within a half
hour of me getting settled into my tree, stand, here

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comes that noise again, and a lot of times I
didn't even have to blow on my grunk call or
use the cand call. I would just start hearing it
very very strange, like there is someone walking in the
pines up, you know, back and forth on the edge,
trying almost just pacing. And what was really strange about
it is I actually, at some point in time I

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had deer below me. I would have I would I
had a spice corn one night walked right under my stand.
I had no intention of shooting it. I was a
mile and a half from the truck. And as this
thing is walking around, I can I can hear it
clear as day, walking around and there's a deer below me,
and he's walking around and he's completely unfazed by what's
going on over by the pines, which is just really strange.

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I mean just very like almost like she didn't hear
what I was hearing. Really really strange. But yeah, So
on that same piece of land, I was hunting up
in the front one day. So day after Christmas, I
decided I'm going to get out in the woods and
take a break. I had been putting together Christmas toys
for a day and I was exhausted and sitting on

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the front side of this, of this, of this area,
the pines are all rowed up. So here in the
south when a lot of times they'll take the pine
trees and they'll row them up to create space in
between the pines. The pines grow better the ones that
they leave, the ones that they log, they'll take the pulpwood.
So you'll have these long rode up you know, roads

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of pine trees. And I'm sitting in it and up
at the top of the hill probably one hundred and
fifty yards, I hear this whacking on a tree. I'm like, man,
that's really odd. Who's up there building something right now?
And I would hear, you know, wa, whack, whack, you know,
thirty seconds ago, go quiet, and then again wow wow.
I was like, man, somebody's doing something up there, but

(28:04):
this public land, I don't know why anyone would be
up there whacking on something. And that kind of stopped.
And about an hour later, we're now about an hour
before dark, I hear what I thought was, I almost
was certain at the time was another hunter walking up
behind me. It's extremely thick behind me. So in where

(28:25):
they have all the road up roads, the pines that
are left get extremely thick with holly trees and all
kinds of other stuff, and you really can't even see them.
So I really couldn't see behind me, but I thought
for sure that another hunter was going to pop right
out behind me, because he was walking right up to me.
And as he got fifteen yards from me ten yard,

(28:47):
I mean really close, the walking got really quiet and
got really sneaky, and then just stopped. And at that
point I got really creeped out again, and I said,
all right, I'm just I'm gonna get down because I
don't want to. I don't know what's over there. I
don't know what's on the top of the hill hitting
the tree, but I just feel really uneasy. I'm not

(29:08):
enjoying myself. So I got down and left. So yeah,
so that's kind of that's what happened on League Game Lands.
I hadn't I swore that place off. I hadn't been
over there in years. My son and I or my
son wanted to go over there just out for turkeys
this year, so we went over and I immediately found

(29:30):
a a sapling that's probably three or four in a
pine sapling three or four inches around, and it's bent
around and weaved in, weaved into some other trees, and
then another pine tree about four inches is stuck up
through it with the with the butt end up in

(29:50):
the air. And I looked at that, and I looked
at my son, and I said, buddy, we're gonna go
look somewhere else. I just this this land has always
been creepy. The day I walked around on it the
first time, it was creepy. I just didn't have anywhere
else to go at the time. But it's always been creepy.
So so every time you would see a deer on

(30:12):
that land, Miguel, it would always be running. That was
always a strange thing. And I picked up on that
years later when I started doing more research. You never
seen a deer that was not running. It was always nervous.
It was always moving, and deer, you know, there's skittish,
especially on public land. Certain times a year they can
be skittish. But opening day of bose season, all of
a sudden, you'd see deer just running through the woods randomly,

(30:34):
like they're spooked. And it was just it, just it all.
It was just the oddness of that place kind of all.
It was just a lot of little details that all
kind of came together. And it was actually years later
that I heard carry Arnold's encounter and when he started
talking about the can call and whatever it was that
he had out there was running down through the pines,

(30:57):
it was a uh you ever seems lock homes where
he puts all the pieces of the puzzle together in
his brain and he solves the mystery in like two seconds.
It happened. That happened in my brain like twenty twenty
five years of bow hunting, all of the strange little
things that happened, that dots all connected like all at once,
Like oh my god, that's what this has been this

(31:20):
entire time, and I didn't know it, and it really
threw me for a loop. I mean it, I didn't
hunt for a couple of years really all that much
because it really bothered me because all of a sudden,
you have the realization that you're not the only thing there,
You're not the biggest, baddest thing in the woods, even
though that's what you've been taught since you were a kid,

(31:42):
because that's kind of how us hunters are. We're kind
of arrogant in that way. And it really threw me
for a loop.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
But yeah, yeah, I can understand that. So once you
heard other people's experiences and realize this is the same
stuff that's been happening to me, it hits you hard
that this was bigfoot in the woods this whole time.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, after that, I went
up to a place called Buttoner Game Winds, which is
an archery only piece. It's actually just north a Rally,
which is pretty populated area. But I found all kinds
of strange tree structures up there. I heard a lot
of weird noises, weird. I thought I heard voices one

(32:28):
day coming from the bottom that I couldn't really make out.
I thought it was people walking around talking, but it
was in a place where you really wouldn't be walking
around hiking. It was really thick and nasty. My son
and I actually this was a really strange event I
had totally forgotten about until now. We had walked into
a little block of woods that was surrounded by pines again,

(32:50):
and it was a little hardwood section, probably about five
acres of standing white oaks that they left and my
son and I, he was young at the time, he
was like twelve. He was learning how to hunt hunt
in the tree right next to me in his tree stand,
and I would be in mind. We got up, seen
some deer, had a good mooring, whatever. But you know,
at this time, this is after the league game lands event,

(33:12):
so I'm nervous still. I'm trying to get back out
into the woods, trying to reclaim some of that. And
we're walking back out about ten thirty eleven o'clock on
the same trail that we had walked in on, you know,
just a little trail I'd clipped through the pines, and
we got out to where the little trail met a
bigger four wheeler trail, and right there in the trail

(33:33):
is a rabbit with no head. Sounds really strange, but
there was a rabbit with no head placed in the
center of the trail that was not there two hours,
three hours earlier when we walked in.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I've been out in the woods for thirty years. I
have never seen a rabbit with no head, just randomly.
That's just that's really strange.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I found the same thing here when I was having
the big foot encounters. They put it right in the
center of the road and the head was messing. I
posted it online, but people are like, oh, that's an owl,
without a doubt. But it's like, no, you don't understand.
I've been seeing sasquatch out in the woods. Then I
find this rabbit right in the middle of the trail.
I feel like, again they're sending me a message, and
I think that's what they were doing with you.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, and it's the rabbit, you know, like you said
it might be maybe an owl. It wasn't picked off.
It was twisted off. There was no head there. It
was like it was like if if you know, you
took a marshmallow and you twisted it in half. That's
that's really what it was like. But yeah, that really
creeped me out. My son actually, two days later, we

(34:40):
were camping up in the area he shot his first deer.
I was at camp, I wasn't hunting that afternoon. I
had just I was just really spooked from the morning
before and trying to keep this all to myself because
I don't want to freak my son out because he
loves hunting. To this day, he doesn't even like to
talk about this subject because he loves hunting so much
he doesn't want it to influence on which I understand.

(35:01):
I totally get it. But I was trying to keep
this all to myself. So I was just like, hey, y'all,
go ahead, I'm gonna, you know, just hang around camp
and and you know, make dinner and clean up and whatever.
And so they all went out, and my son actually
shot is his first year with the bow that evening.
So I was like, you called me, and I said, oh, great, well,
you know, I'll come help you track it. And on

(35:23):
the way in maybe one hundred yards from where I
found that headless rabbit a day or two before I
found it, And finally the one and only print that
I've ever found in the woods, the only track. Strange
thing about this one only had three toes, but they
weren't they didn't. They weren't dog like or anything like.

(35:44):
It was very human like, but only just three toes,
three spleyed toes, but one very clear footprint bigger than mine.
I were a size twelve foot or twelve foot dush sorry,
so I was twelve shoe and bigger than mine by
a few inches. But just one track where it like

(36:04):
stepped out of the woods on the logging road and
then over the logging road. Couldn't see any tracks on
either side, but just that one right in the center.
I did not get a picture of it, like an idiot.
As again, I was with my with one of my uncles,
and I didn't want to stop and draw attention to
it because I just, you know, there's just the I

(36:26):
they don't believe any of this, and I don't want
to bring it up as kind of the Waco in camp,
you know, because I'm trying to kind of keep this
all to myself still. But yeah, that was another very
strange experience, and you know, and I'm sure in between
that there's been a hundred other little small things. But uh,

(36:48):
like I said, I don't I don't have the most
extreme stories compared to a lot of people, just a
lot of a lot of small things that kind of
all came together for me in a short period of
time to when I kind of realized that there's there's
something more to the woods than meets the eye. And
I think there personally, I think there always has been.

(37:09):
I think it's something that human beings have been dealing
with since uh well since forever. I think over the
last hundred years or so, we've gotten really arrogant and
what we believe we know about the world because of
our smartphones and Google Maps has everything named. And you know,
as a hunter, you've you know, you're taught that you're
the biggest thing in the woods and nothing's going to

(37:30):
bother you. And and uh, we're just we're very arrogant
about things that we don't really understand. And I've told
my son, I was like, buddy, you don't know. You
don't know what's going on in our backyard at three am,
much less in the middle of the Adirondecks, where you
have two million acres of unbroken woods.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah. So absolutely. And you know when people think of Bigfoot,
they think it's highly unlikely. And you know, people think
of New York and they think of tons of people.
But if you look on a map, there is a
ton of forests in New York. And I think Maine
has the most forest in the lower forty eight and

(38:17):
I think it goes like Alaska, Maine, New Hampshire, West Virginia,
and Vermont, like they have the most forest out of
any other states. So, you know, a lot of people
think of New York and they're like, oh, that can't
be possible for sasquatch to be there. But the truth
is if you zoom in on a map, it's just
dense forest. Almost every word look exactly. And you know

(38:39):
here in the South. You know there's a lot of
people that obviously live in the South, but it's this.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Is timber country. From here to Louisiana is pine trees.
The whole place is pine trees. And now they log
it a lot, and you pine trees grow up. But
it acts like big woods. The South actually hunts kind
of lake big woods because of these the acreage that
you're dealing with a lot of times, and given that
there's a lot of places for things to hide. I mean,

(39:08):
it's extremely thick. The South is thick, thick. But then
you know, I've I've found weird things in Missouri. I
go to Missouri every year to hunt, and we go
to Reform Conservation Area, which is a it's in Calloway County,
right central Missouri, and I have found we found. We

(39:29):
came up onto this little knoll on top of the
ridge and we found probably ten broken saplings. They weren't
very big, they were probably only an inch and a
half two inches around, but they've some and they varied
from a couple feet off the ground to four or
five feet off the ground to one that was almost
twelve feet off the ground. And there's probably ten or
twelve of them just broken, just all snacked like you
would snap a pencil. And you know, Missouri is a

(39:55):
you know where we were is a lot of just
wood lots. It's not it's not solid land. So it's
really interest one of these where people see these things
and where people have these encounters, because sometimes it's in
dense forests and sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's right in
your backyards.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Absolutely, a lot of times it's like on farmland where
there's a lot of woods, but at the same time
people huge fields, cattle, things like that. And yeah, it's
very interesting how these things can hide so well. And yeah,
that county is not too far away from me. I
guess that's like east of Columbia, close to the Missouri River.
And I've been in that area before. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

(40:31):
And the fact that you hunted in the Hudson Gorge
Wilderness area, that's impressive. Are are you not afraid of
getting lost in the woods that big?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
So I was nervous for sure. I had a GPS
with me. I made sure I brought my GPS and
I made sure before I left the main highway down
where I had a little bit of self service that
my Google mass was running so that when I got
up into an area with no cell service, I could
still see where I was. So yes, I was nervous
because I was like, well, if my phone dies or

(41:03):
my GPS dies, I don't know where I am, which
is why the all of the you know, that encounter
and the ironics didn't happen particularly far from a road. Now,
when I say a road, this is a gravel mountain
road that kind of just cuts sneaks up through the mountains.
This is not a highway, this is just a little
access for it. But I did not get far off
of it. I was only four or five hundred yards
total from it where this happened, and maybe only a

(41:25):
thousand yards from camp. And when I say camp, it
was just a place where we pulled over on the
side of the road. So extremely remote area.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, absolutely sure. And I find that these creatures are
hanging out closer to parking lots, closer to people's properties
than in the deep woods. And I think the reason
behind that is they like they like to watch people,
especially when they enter it in their in their home basically,
and it's like they're keeping guard.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I've had strange things happen right
here at my house. And I live just north of
Fort Bragg. There's people all around me. Now there are
there are ways to get into some really thick woods
that come right up to my house, some smaller woodlots,
and you know what's really strange to me, go is
I have these times where I leave this subject alone

(42:17):
and I don't really want to mess with it, and
for whatever reason, I'm kind of drawn back to it
and I start researching, and again, especially right before Turkey season,
when I know I'm about to get back into the woods,
I get back into the subject again, and every time
it happens I start researching again, something weird happens again.
I had like an eight months dry spell where I

(42:38):
did not touch this subject. So I don't I'm just
I'm done with it. I don't I don't know what
this is, I don't care whatever. And I got back
into it for a couple of nights. I was actually
watching your show and some other shows, and I was
upstairs brushing my teeth and something smacked the side of
my house hard. I never in my life have I
ever had anything hit my house. I don't. I don't. Yeah,

(43:00):
there's no way that anything hit it, Like, no one
threw something at it. It just And this was eleven
o'clock at night. I was upstairs getting ready to go
to bed. Someone smacked the side of the house. And
then the next morning after that, my son comes in
and says, Dad, what's with this little rock? And it's
this little rock, a little smooth, polished stone. I have
no idea. I've never seen it in my life. I

(43:20):
have no idea where it came from. And it said
Honor on the back of it, the word honor on it.
No idea what that means. And it's just placed in
the center of my back deck. No idea. It's like, Dad,
what is this? I said, I do, buddy, I don't know.
Just strange things. But I've been kind of prone to
that throughout my life. I've had strange experiences, strange kind

(43:41):
of I don't want to say paranormal, but just things
would happen in houses, and I'm very sensitive to that
sort of stuff. I kind of feel that when I
walk into a room, walk into a house, I can
really feel what's kind of going on around the house.
I can feel the tension off with people. I'm always
been really good at reading a room, but because of that,

(44:03):
I have a hard time just turning that off. You know,
when I go in the woods, that kind of follows me.
So I always stay really hyper aware. Most hunters are
hyper aware, but I am really hyper aware.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So yeah, I know exactly what it is. But I
know exactly what you mean. And yeah, this subject does
have a way of drawing you back in. And something
slapping the side of the house that does sound like
bigfoot activity. I've heard of bigfoot encounters by Fort Bragg.
I'm not sure if you live close to there. I
know you work there, but yeah, I know these creatures
are around the area. So it seems like there's some connection

(44:39):
with you and the sasquatch creatures. And I feel the
same way about the activity myself. Do you feel like
possibly there's a connection with you and these cryptid creatures,
because it sounds like you've had activity your entire life,
from the time that you were seven years old and
you saw that huge jet black figure all the way
till now where you if you're having the house slaps

(45:01):
so there's something definitely going on, and it does seem
to be supernatural to me anyways. I mean, I find
it unusual that some people have encounters their entire lives
and multiple eye sightings and many experiences with these creatures,
and the next guy has never seen or heard anything,
and he's out in the woods all the time as well.

(45:22):
So what do you think about that? Do you feel
like you're marked or tagged by these creatures? What are
your thoughts about it?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, you know, I've thought about that a lot. I
think certain people are maybe a little more you know,
they talk about emotional like you, how you can have
a high emotional like you, you have a lot of
empathy and you can put yourself in people's shoes. I
have that always been that way. I think you can

(45:49):
have the same thing on the spiritual end of things,
where you're spiritually just a little more in tune than
some other people. My younger brother who has grown up
hunting right alongside. I mean, he's three years younger than
I am. Very logical thinker, graduated UNC with math degrees
and biology degrees. Very just very very you know, I'm

(46:14):
the rails type thinker, and he has not experienced a
lot of the things that I've experienced in the same
woods around the same time, and I can never figure
out why. And it's like, well, maybe I'm just I'm
not sure able to hear it, but just listening for it.
Like there's a part of me that's more in tune
with it than maybe some other people, and that's why

(46:37):
you experienced things on a more regular basis than some
other people. And the fact that I've been a hunter
for well, I'm thirty eight and I've been doing it
since i was fourteen, and I'm not a normal hunter.
I've been hunted as much the last handful of years
as I've gotten older, and these experiences have kind of
curtailed as much as you know, the amount of time

(46:57):
I'm in the woods. But when I was in my
twenty hunt it every day. I didn't have I ran
my own landscaping business, so I could run much, so
I could hunt every day. So between just being kind
of spiritually into you know, I'm an Avid or I'm
a devout Christian, have been my entire life, so that
spiritual one of me is active, and then just being

(47:18):
in the woods a lot, I think maybe you're just
prone to it. And once you have an experience and
you learn some things, now you you can't unsee it.
You can't put the genie back in the bottle, unfortunately,
as much as I would like to. When you walk
out into the woods, and I'm sure you're the same way,
you see things. You see the trees that are broken

(47:41):
at your head level for no particular reason, and none
of the other ones are broken, or like I seen
the other day, that's weaved into the other ones and
it's just extremely strange and it didn't grow that way.
And then the butt end of another tree is shoved
up through it. So you just see really strange things.
And that's just I think that's just part of you know,

(48:02):
you kind of took the red pill, so to speak,
like in the matrix, and you just that's the way
it is.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
If you really are marked or tagged by these creatures.
One way to know is when you go in the woods,
not every time, but every so often, you'll have bigfoot activity,
which you are. Another thing is when you drive to
random areas. Let's say your uncle says, hey, let's go
to Tim's house. He lives out there by such and

(48:27):
such river. Let's go over there. We got to pick
up some mail, and you go over there, and as
you're driving to Tim's house, I'm just hypothetically speaking. On
the way there, you'll see all these X structures on
the side of the road and all these arches, and
it seems like when you randomly stop and forested areas,
you'll see all these structures, almost like they knew that

(48:48):
you were going to be there before you showed up.
Have you had that, Yeah, that happened before.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
One hundred percent. Every time I take a drive, I
will see things that the other people in the car
see or maybe just armed paying attention to. But I
can see the places on the side of the road
where trees are broken, things are twisted, odd things that
you know, just you spend enough time in the woods,
you really get to know what looks normal, and then
when the abnormal things happen you, they really pop out

(49:16):
at you. But yes, I pick up on that stuff
constantly to an annoying point, actually to the point where I,
like I said, I wish you could just you know,
men and black yourself and just bink and just erase
your brain and go back to the way you used
to be where I just walk through the woods without
any fear or anything, and I just, you know, hunted

(49:37):
every day.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, gives me chills just talking about that. And I
guess another example is, let's say you find this new
hunting area in the Hudson Gorge. You've never been there before,
and you go and set up just because you you've
researched on a map, you looked on a trail that
seems to be like an area that would have giant bucks,
and you have the wind in your favor and you

(49:59):
straighttrategically place yourself in this area. Well, when you go there,
you experience wood knocks and in that same area, there's
tree structures everywhere, and it's almost like the structures find you.
I don't know how to explain it, but yeah, it
seems it seems like maybe you're like an EmPATH. Or
there's people that say they're attracted to like autistic people.

(50:20):
Maybe it's the Holy Spirit, you know, God gives us
discernment and we're able to pick up on things way
better than other people. Some people call themselves psychics, but
I don't really fall into that, you know what I mean?
But I feel like it's I think, yeah, I feel
like a psychic is just like the Holy Spirit, like
it's discernment. And yeah, I mean depending on if you

(50:41):
use that to guide your life for the better and
the better of other people, or are you just doing
readings on people and trying to protect the future. There's
two different things going on there. But yeah, sure, I
know exactly what you mean. Where you can walk into
a room and you can feel people's emotions and almost
already know what they're going through, what they're thinking, what
people are up to, whether it's good or bad. And yeah,

(51:04):
it's definitely a strange thing. I feel like the Sasquatch
are connected to that, to those types of people, whether
you're an EmPATH, autistic, you have this divine discernment in situations.
I don't know. I feel like they're able to to
gauge those type of people and approach them.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think the same thing, just
based off of, you know, a few years of researching
this topic heavily, people who have routine encounters, they kind
of seem to share similar characteristics, personality traits, and we
all kind of seem to share a lot of that
same stuff. Some people don't. Some people are just seem
to be really just whatever kind of normal joes or whatever,

(51:44):
and they just all of a sudden, one of these
things is standing in front of them. But it seems
more often than not when people have these habitual encounters
every time they go out. This is kind of they're
all the same type of people. Yeah, maybe I don't know. No,
I agree with you and don't hold back here. Have
you ever had a shadow person in your bedroom or

(52:05):
have you ever seen one before? So I've never had
a shadow person, never any sort of shadow. My brother did,
my same brother, who was very sciencey but a Christian
at the same time. So he is he has a
spiritual aspect, but he's just hit the way he thinks
is more on the rails. He's a great mechanic, you know.
He is very good about that sort of thing. But

(52:28):
he had a shadow in his room that actually attacked
him when he was young, when he was about thirteen
or fourteen. He said it actually attacked him and he
was screaming. My father came in. My father's a pastor,
and my father seen it and denounced it in Jesus
name had left the room cleared. He said, it literally

(52:49):
just cleared. I've never had that happen, but my brother did.
And the weirdest thing I've ever happened had happened is
I had a ball of this is let me try
to explain this. My bedroom door was open. It was
three o'clock in the morning. I could not sleep. I
was watching Bob Ross on my phone and relax and
get this sleep. And I look on my door because

(53:11):
it was open, like I said, and my hallway light
was on, which is about eight feet from the door,
so the yellow light was casting on the door from
where the light was on, right well inside of that,
right in the center of the door, I can see
the light. But then another light showed up, about the
size of a basketball, and it was a brighter light

(53:33):
than the hallway light, not a lot brighter, not like
a brilliant white light, but lighter than the hallway light.
And it was moving, almost dancing in a figure eight
pattern on the door, like someone had a flashlight and
they were shining it on the door. So I'm just
staring at this thing, trying to figure out what's going on.

(53:54):
My wife sleeping. I don't dare wake her up because
she would never sleep again. She'd be so terrified. So
I let her be and I'm staring at it, and
I had no idea what this was. And initially I
thought it was somebody with a flashlight. So I actually
I had my nineteen eleven was on the on my
desk next to me. I grabbed it and threw around

(54:15):
in the chamber. So and this was the weirdest thing.
The gul is. As soon as the round went in
the chamber and the slide shut, every light in the
upstairs shut off. And now it's complete blackness. And now
you can imagine, now the hair is and now I'm
freaked out, you know, full adrenaline dump. I jump jump

(54:38):
up out of the bed, throw my light on, throw
the hallway light on. My kids are all fast asleep
in their rooms. Nobody else was in the house. Went
and cleared the whole house. No one was there. Doors
were all locked, windows were all locked. That's That's one
of the strangest like paranormal type experiences I've ever had happened.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, that is I what that was. Yeah, it seems
like the supernatural beings can manipulate energy technology, electricity, whether
it's your cell phone, your computer, your TV. And it's
strange how they can do that. But they can. I've
had a lot of experiences in those regards, and it's
definitely terrifying the fact that you racked a you racked

(55:19):
one into the chamber and they shut the lights off.
I don't know, that's that's spooky.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
That was the spookiest part. It was. It was almost
like it was a movie, like I'm telling you a story,
there's one hundred percent truthful. As soon as that round
went in the chamber, the sound of the slide shutting,
shut the lights off, it's really freaky.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, that's a good example. When the paranormal stuff happens.
It's almost like you're in a Hollywood horror movie and
it's strange. I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, sure is. But yeah, I mean that's I'm sure
I could remember a bunch of other little things, but
those are kind of the major events that have happened
through my twenty five years of hunting. And like I said,
it's not as exciting as some other folks, but interesting
nonetheless because it's a lot of the same experiences. And
that's really what threw me for a loop to begin with.
But his confirmation now is, you know, hearing some of

(56:16):
your things that you've experienced, and it's the same things
that I've experienced, that same things that Carry Arnold experienced,
that Donnie Miller has experienced, and these other people who
have had these wild encounters. None of us knew each other.
We didn't know any of this information, but we're all
telling the same story in different parts of our life.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, And in the I can't pronounce it, the
ol Connie Wildlife Area, you said it was a Native
American lands. Do you think there's a connection with the
Native Americans and these cryptid creatures, like maybe it's cursed
or haunted or I've.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Thought that a lot of times, because a lot of
times you can walk on to land and it just
feels weird. The land itself feels weird. I don't know
what that is. Maybe it's events that have happened there
in the past and it's just residual and it's I
don't really know, but I think there's a connection between
these things and that sort of energy sometimes, Yeah, just

(57:14):
my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, and it just feels like there's eyeballs all over
you and you you have like this I don't know,
like this static feeling. I don't know like you're being watched.
It's a strange feeling for sure, almost like you walked
into a portal or you're just in another dimension, still
in the same area, but just like something's off.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Sure. Yeah, And I tell my daughter, she's had some
weird things happen, and we live in the same house still.
She the other day she had a little trinket on
her desk move by itself, and she came out and
she's all tricked out. And I said, Grace, we're spiritual
beings living in spiritual world. Weird things happen. Sometimes you
just leave it at that because you're not going to

(57:56):
explain it any better than that. Sometimes just leave it
at that. But I think the same thing goes for
the woods. Just because it's the woods doesn't mean that
you know, uh, spiritual things aren't there, and that thing,
the events in the half, events in the past didn't happen,
and there's some residual effect left over. Maybe you know,
you just you just don't know absolutely.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
It's one thing when things that defy logic are happening
in the deep wilderness, but when they happen inside your home,
your safe place, that's when you know the alarm bell
really goes off. You know, it just defies logic. Science
can't explain it. And I feel like it's spiritual warfare
and you can only pray. That's the that's the best

(58:38):
thing we can do. That's our best defense.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And yeah, yeah, I agree, that's all I ever do.
I actually have gotten I've gotten angry at certain times,
and uh, you know it's old things to leave and
Jesus name, you know, with authority, because this is my house,
this is where I am. I do it in the woods.
Sometimes I don't know if that helps hurts, but sometimes

(59:02):
you just get you get fed up with it.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah. Absolutely, that's the best thing you can do. It's
not going to help you to call the cops or
you know, yell at these things and try to get
them to go away. You just got to pray your
way out of it. And you saw this figure that
you thought was your uncle, and then when you whistled,
it hid behind a tree. That's spooky. How big was
this figure? And when your uncle showed up in the

(59:25):
opposite direction, did the figure seem a lot larger than
your uncle?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
So it definitely seemed larger than my uncle, given how
far it was away from me. It wasn't right on
top of me. It was, like I said, it was
probably eighty yards one hundred yards down in the bottom,
you know. I think this was probably mid November. I
don't remember the exact date, just one of the many
thousands of times I've been in the woods hunting. But

(59:53):
it was definitely larger than my uncle, much wider than
my uncle. I said. One of the things that kind
of struck me is that when I first seen it
was this thing is bulky, and my uncles are pretty
they're pretty big dudes, but not like this. This was
a bulky, dark figure. I didn't see any color, which
is one of the things that alarmed me right away

(01:00:14):
is there's this guy's not wearing orange. My uncle had
orange on, he had his hunter orange on. I said,
it's Georgia and it's riful season, so you really need
to pick precautions. Well, whatever this was had no color
about it at all, just dark, much bulkier than my uncles. Couldn't.
I don't remember it being super tall, but again, it's

(01:00:34):
when you have no real frame or reference, you're not
really thinking that way. It was just the way it
was moving. It was, you know, walking, walking, through the bottom,
very smooth, never heard it, never made a noise, which
was kind of strange. I just I kind of figured
my uncle would make noise. Chomps them through the woods.
Hunters are not particularly quiet, especially a dark a lot

(01:00:56):
of times when we're on our way out. Yeah, but quiet.
And once I whistled, just got behind this big pine
tree and it was a pretty big tree. That pine
tree was probably the size of a fridge tree.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah. I've gotten reports, Yeah, I've gotten reports like that
from hunters in Missouri where they see that same figure
right when it gets dark, and I feel like the
hunters are sneaking up on these things. They got the
wind in their favor. They're really quiet when they got
in their stand. And that's when you know you're being
a good hunter, is when the sasquatch have no idea.

(01:01:30):
You're there and you know they are physical creatures, but
there is a supernatural side to them. But I feel
like they're physical creatures from whatever dimension they come from.
But I mean that's just theorizing, of course, but you
definitely think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
At them at the moment you witness them. It's very spiritual.
Somethings making noise, something's walking around something is whacking a
tree like I've never I've never seen anything with my
eyes that you couldn't say was a person or wasn't
a person. The time when I I was a kid,
very strange jet black figure. I couldn't I couldn't definitively

(01:02:06):
say yes, that was a sasquash. It was just extremely
odd and scared me to death. And why did that
memory stick in my brain thirty eight years later? Nothing
else has? The time is in Georgia when I've seen
that walking through the woods. Could it have been a guy, Sure,
it could have been a guy, but just very odd experiences.
And every time I would have an experience like this, Miguel,

(01:02:28):
it sticks with you. Out of the thousands of times
I've been in the woods, I don't remember most of
the times I've hunted. It's been thirty years, you know,
since I was eight years old when I first started
getting out into the woods. I don't remember all the
times I went into the woods. But those times when
you have these things happen, they stick with you. And

(01:02:50):
why is that sticking with you? Something about it made
it stick with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Yeah, it was a significant moment, And there's moments in
our lives where we're able to remember them, you know,
our entire lives. Whether you encountered a giant buck, you
caught a huge fish, your first love, getting married, having
your first child, and when you have these types of experiences,
it's really significant and you never forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, there's there are times when I believe humans have revelations.
You know, when I was fifteen years old, fourteen years old,
whenever I gave my life to Christ, I was in
my bedroom on my knees praying, asking Jesus to enter
into my life. I couldn't speak. As I was trying
to speak, I could not speak. The words were trying
to make them come out of my mouth. I could

(01:03:36):
not speak. Something had a hold of me at that
time when I was a young kid, and the words
wouldn't come out. And I finally made the words come out,
and at that point I had a revelation like all right,
God is real, Jesus is real, and it morphs your
whole life. I hadn't had another revelation like that until
that carry onnold experience, and I heard all of these

(01:03:58):
things and then like I said that or lock homes
event happened and all of these dots connected and that
was another life changing revelation, like, all right, this is
this is real. Always has been real. I didn't know it,
but it's always been real. It's always been there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
When you know, you know, what do you think these
creatures are? Do you feel like it's the end of
the world like in times? Do you think it's just
some relic commonid Do you feel like they're the Nephilim?
What do you think they are?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I think it's nephil related, but you know that
could just be my my Christianity speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Well, I mean they were just side of that. Yeah,
they were giants, they had supernatural abilities, yet they were
physical creatures, and the Nephilum created other animals on this planet,
and I think that was the reason for the flood
and why God had to have two animals male and

(01:04:59):
female on the arc and Noah's family because he had
to replace the human gene pool and or replenish it
and the animal kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, I do not believe that it's just a relic
comitad or some sort of missing link that's walking around
the woods. Do not believe that there's simply too many
odd ball things that happened with them. And I'm to
be honest with you, if it was just another animal,

(01:05:31):
we'd have clear pictures of it. We'd have it captured
or dead.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Yeah, every other animal. Yeah, it'd be in the zoo
for sure. And I don't know, it's creepy to think about.
Maybe the giants had descendants that weren't giants, Like maybe
they bred with animals. And I kind of think back
on Greek mythology, like man, was that just folklore or
was that the real deal? Like was there animal human hybrids?
And I always thought it was just folklore until I

(01:05:58):
encountered the cryptive creatures and started learning more about it.
And it's like, Man, that sounds just like Greek mythology
and other ancient cultures that had like these human animal creatures.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Yeah, I don't. I don't discount really much of anything anymore.
I think we've been mostly lied to most of our
lives by authorities trying to keep kind of a thumb
on people. They don't want you using your brain, they don't.
They don't want you to believe what you're seeing, even
though you're seeing it. They want you to believe what

(01:06:31):
they're telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah, so absolutely, and I mean that's kind of your
work environment. You do what you're told and you know
you're you have to do it a certain way. And
that's the society that we live in for a reason.
I mean, everything's sure, I don't know, not fabricated, but
you know, designed in a way that's pleasing to the

(01:06:55):
authority figures.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yeah, yep. And I think I think shows like yours
have of and you know Sasquatch Chronicles and some of
the other ones where you just where they have just
normal people on a show and they talk about their experiences.
That's really what set it off for me. That's what
kind of drove the nail home because growing up watching
these shows on the Travel Channel and the History Channel,
they would find, you know, Bubba Billy from the back

(01:07:19):
Woods that had his scope DUC taped to his thirty
six and this was your example of a Sasquatch believer,
you know, so they found the weirdest guy possible and
this was your this was your example. But yeah, in
the last ten years, you hear people from every walk
of life. You know, doctors, lawyers, pastors, engineers, carpenters, and
you know, just regular people and they've all had these

(01:07:42):
really strange experiences. So what do you do with that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
You know, absolutely and Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles as an
awesome host, and that's kind of what drew me into
the bigfoot topic because you had this these very sincere
people on his show, and you could you can hear
the fear in their voice, and like you mentioned Carrie
Arnold from Bigfoot ot Tossy, like you could tell that

(01:08:05):
this encounter really affected him and he was out there
turkey hunting and I think he lost like four family members,
like all in a month, and he was out there
trying to clear his mind, and he ran into this
creature and he described it kind of the same way
as you where it was shaking a tree, and of
course the encounter was a little different, but you know,
it's the same activity happening to regular people out there

(01:08:26):
in the woods, whether they're hunting, fishing, camping, whatever it
may be. And it just goes to show that this
can happen to anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, it's I've had basically everything happened that Carry Arnold
have had happen other than I've never had one walk
up on me to where I've seen it, And honestly,
to go. Part of the reason I don't hunt as
much as I used to is I don't want that
to happen. I almost don't I almost don't want to
go out. Yeah, that's what is today. The day is today,

(01:08:55):
the day where I actually seen one of these things,
and I'm like, you know, scarred for life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, they're slowly revealing themselves to you, and I feel
like that would be next as a class A. I
cite an encounter and maybe they're just trying to keep
you out of the woods, or maybe they want you
to know something something else, And I don't know. I
almost feel like God's revealing these things to us for
a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Yeah. So while we were talking about oh, Coney w May,
where I had, you know, quite a few other experiences,
I kind of wanted to mention that I'm not the
only one who had weird experiences in that area. I've
hunted with my five uncles, my brother, several friends, five cousins.

(01:09:39):
We all kind of hunt together as a family every year,
and a couple of the guys who actually had encounters
out there strange welve strange things happened. I'm kind of
the only one who's come to grips with this. But
so I had a friend friend of the family who
was hunting with us, and he swore up and down
that walking out of that same area where I had

(01:10:01):
had the encounter where a large man walked out of
the of the pines and I thought it was my uncle.
He was followed out of the woods from that same
spot all the way back to his truck, probably about
a six hundred yard walk, and he said, whatever it
was was pacing him just on the inside of the
tree line, off the logging road. He could never see it,
but he said it was clearly someone on two feet walking.

(01:10:24):
My other cousins tried to just say that it was
just a person. Maybe it was, but given the the
experiences I had out there, I kind of tend to
believe that it wasn't just a person. My buddy, my
buddy Matt, who I kind of grew up with down
in Georgia, been a friend of the family for decades.

(01:10:46):
He came out of the woods one night in November
years and years ago and saying that he had been
charged by a buck, and he said it was a buck,
said it was. It ran right up to the edge
of this thicket bulldozing trees down and sat there just
breathing heavy at him and snorting at him, and and
very interesting behavior for a deer. Never heard of a

(01:11:09):
deer doing that, And I honestly don't think that was
a deer. I think that was one of these things.
But he just doesn't really have that in his brain,
so you automatically think deer because that's all you've got.
But you had just a couple more little weird things
that that happened at Olconey. I found multiple tree structures
out there. I found one where it was broken over

(01:11:33):
my head. It was a small dog wood, probably about
two inches around. It's broken over my head, and it
was actually tied almost in a knot like it wasn't
just broken, but it was. It was broken and twisted
in a really like It was actually kind of a
cool looking formation right in this little funnel area by
a beaver pond. So I found all sorts of things
out there to support it. And it's just a strange area.

(01:11:54):
So it's a weird feeling out there. But yeah, I
kind of wanted to just mention that about Olconey wasn't
the only one, but yeah, but I've lived in North
Carolina since twenty thirteen, and I'm an avid bass fisherman
and spend a lot of time on Jordan Lake, which
is in Chatham County, North Carolina. So that land's actually

(01:12:18):
or that lake's part of the flood control for the
Hall River that feeds the Cape Fear River. And I
know you've had some other guests on that. I've talked
about experiences on the Cape Fear and the swamps that
are on the Cape here. It's a wild place, definitely,
a long history of encounters. So Jordan Lakes in the
Piedmont area of the state. That's kind of where the
land gets really hilly in between the coastal plains and

(01:12:40):
the Appalachian Mountains. So a lot of ravines, a lot
of steep ridges, that sort of thing where down the
Hall or down by the Cape Fear, by the coast,
it's just real flat and swampy. But so I was
we were out fishing with my wife. This was probably
twenty sixteen ish, so my wife and my brother we
were in a little fourteen foot John boat at the

(01:13:02):
time and fishing down on the south end of the
lake by pose Ridge Boat ramp. If anyone ever wants
to look it up by a place called Million Dollar Island,
and it's just a small island out in the lake.
It probably only I don't know, one hundred yards from
the mainland shore. And we're bat fishing around this island
and right at dark, maybe thirty forty five minutes of

(01:13:25):
solid light left, We're fishing at the island with our
backs towards the mainland, and we hear this gigantic splash
right behind us. Huge rock. I mean we're talking the
size of a basketball. It sounded like someone can ball
out of a tree. Definitely wasn't a fish. I know
what does sound like. I've been fishing my entire life.
This was something that was thrown into the water, but

(01:13:48):
extremely heavy, super loud spot. And we all turned at
the same time like what was that. We've seeing the
you know, the gigantic ripples where the rocket landed. Super confused,
like what did something fall out of the trees? You know,
what is going on? Sat there for a little bit,
really kind of didn't couldn't figure it out. So we
just kind of went back to fish and turned around

(01:14:10):
and it probably been ten minutes and saying thing another
big rock hit right behind us, turned seeing the splash,
same thing. So my brother and I we got we
got kind of upset because this is this is public
hunting land that surrounds the lake. So we were thinking that,
you know, someone messing with us. You know, it's you know,
what's going on. So we uh, we got upset. We

(01:14:33):
started yelling and put the motor on and went towards
shore and we were, you know, we were ready to
confront whoever that was or whatever it was. Never made
a peep, didn't make a sound, never walked off, I
have no idea, which is completely dead silent. We got
up by the shore and we both kind of looked
at each other and we're like, all right, this is
a it's a little creepy. So we we turned around

(01:14:55):
and we just kind of left the area. That same area, Actually,
my wife and I were in January timeframe of this
year and a couple of big hills in that area
right by the lake, and we heard very very audible
wood knocks from the top of the hill. Sounded like
a ball back going to a tree. I heard it,

(01:15:18):
and my wife I didn't really say anything. I was
waiting to see if if she heard it, and she
heard it and She looked right at me, So, John,
what is that? I said, I think you might know
what that is? And she said, well, can we can
we just leave here because I'm really uncomfortable because it
was loud really close to us, and the noise really
seemed kind of directed at us. If that kind of

(01:15:38):
makes sense or not, I don't know. But so we
left got out of that area. See what else happened
in that area. Oh yeah, one of the stranger things
happened in that area about two years ago. I was
hunting with my son, my oldest son, Noah. He was

(01:15:59):
sixteen at the time, and this was Youth Rifle Day.
So in North Carolina, they had a day during the
bust season. It's usually right around the end of September.
I think this was the twenty seventh of September, and
any anyone under the age of seventeen can legally take
their rifle out or any weapon that they want and
cant and harvest to either a buck or a dough

(01:16:20):
on that day, as long as they're with their you know,
with their guardians. So he was with me, and he
was in a tree that was right next to me.
We both climbed up in our tree stands about eight
thirty in the morning. We had gotten up a little late,
walked around for a little while, kind of did our thing,
and we decided, well, well's sit for kind of a
mid day see what happens. So we were sitting not

(01:16:41):
far from the lake, far from more all this other
stuff had happened in an area that they had just logged,
thinned out all the pines, and there was a really
really nasty thicket that we were sitting up against. And
this thicket covers an entire hillside, a really large area.
And we were climbing up into our stands, and I
had just gotten up into my climbing stand. I'm a

(01:17:04):
lot faster at it, or I was at the time
getting up than my son was. He was kind of new,
he'd only been hunting for a couple of years. He
was one of the first times he had ever been
out with his rifle, so he was really kind of
nervous with his rifle and taking things really slow. We
got to him to do and so I got up
and settled down, and I've got my bow, and he's
still got his Uh, he's still got his rifle on

(01:17:25):
the ground on a rope and he starts pulling it up,
and as he gets it about halfway up the tree,
I hear something come busting off that hill, super loud,
and a big buck jumps out of the thicket really
nice book runs right in front of me and Noah,
and of course had my bow. I can't do anything.
Noah's gun's hanging in the air off of a rope,

(01:17:47):
so he can't do anything, and it runs off right
by us, and we're just looking at each other like, Wow,
did that really just happen? Well, whatever was chasing him?
I heard behind that deer and it stopped before out
of the thicket, and the buck kept going. And this
thing stopped and it walked up and down this thicket
about fifty yards from me for thirty to forty five seconds.

(01:18:11):
This was the most clear two legged individual I have
ever heard, definitely on two feet. I mean, there was
no doubt about it. I heard it, Noah heard it,
and it just paced up and down this thicket but
would not come out. Somehow knew we were there. You

(01:18:33):
smelt us, maybe seeing us climbing up the trees. I
don't really know, but it knew we were there because
it would not come out. But it was hauling behind
this deer, keeping up with the deer. You know, this
is a four and a half year old buck on
a dead sprint, and this thing was right behind it,
keeping up with it, and then just got to the
edge of the thicket and locked it up, just started
walking up and down the edge of of the thicket

(01:18:58):
and eventually kind of got tired of that and could
hear just mosey beck on off the hill. Just really
really strange. And that's another place that I found all
sorts of of weird tree structures and things like that
over the years, and heard some weird stuff out there,
some weird whistles, and like it's an another place where

(01:19:19):
I've heard what sounds almost like someone talking in the woods,
but you can't ever make it out. It's just like
indistinguishable voices at a distance, which you know, sometimes when
you're in the woods you hear that kind of stuff.
You're not there are houses around, they're kind of sporadic,
so you never really think that much about it, especially
in the woods when you're trying to kind of keep

(01:19:40):
your your cool. But but I think it's all connected
out in that area. So but yeah, so that's about
really all I wanted to to add with those few things,
I think helped tie a few more things together.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
All right, I appreciate that, John, And yeah, it sounds
like you're uncle was followed out of the area by
a sasquatch and also your friend. I wouldn't think a
buck would do that. And I had the same impression
when I got followed out of a wilderness area after
I got done bow hunting, and it was a long
walk back, and that was my first thought, like, man,
this is a giant buck that's paralleling me out of

(01:20:18):
the woods. And every time I would stop, it would stop.
And then I thought, maybe it's a black bear. Oh man,
maybe it's a huge male mountain lion. And it just
seemed really intelligent and I couldn't see what it was.
But after listening to other people's experiences, that's what I
figured out this possibly was because I've had a sasquatch
encounter there in the past before there's been a lot

(01:20:40):
of sightings and experiences reported from the same area, So
that's what I think it was. And I'm sure your
friend just didn't have a place for it in his
mind and bigfoot just didn't exist. But that's probably what
it was. And yeah, the fact that something was throwing
huge rocks in the water when you were fishing. I
hear that over and over from pa people when they're fishing,

(01:21:01):
and I think these things get territorial. You're seeking out
their food sources and maybe they once occupy the area,
but they have to wait for people that are fishing
in the area, so they get a little impatient and territorial.
And yeah, that's spooky. Did you see the rocks flying
in the water.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
So we never actually heard anything, and that was kind
of one of the weird things is we thought it
might have been a branch at first, you know, falling
out of the trees. But number one, where where we
weren't anywhere close to any sort of trees, and we
never heard anything come through the woods. You know, we
figured if it was something falling out of the trees,
you would hear it hitting the branches. You know, there's

(01:21:38):
giant pine trees that lie in Jordan Lake. You know,
they're one hundred feet tall. We never heard anything. It
was just like all of a sudden, a rock fell
out of the sky. But you know, I hear carp
jump all the time, you know, fish jump out of
the water. That's common. I've been I've been a bass
fisherman since I was four years old. I best fish

(01:21:59):
five times a week. This time of year, you hear
carp they have a particular slap on top of the water.
I can tell you what it is from across the lake.
And you know, given all these things that have happened
in that area, it's just a little too coincidental for
me to uh just write that off.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yeah. Absolutely. What do you think the wooden knox meant
that you and your wife heard? You said that it
seemed like they were directed towards you. And I got
that impression too whenever I heard wood knocks in certain areas,
and it just seems like they are directing those knocks
towards you. Now, maybe they could be hunting, communicating with
one another, but I feel like it's intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it just with where we were coming up
to the shore. You know, we were fishing on the
on the end of this point, and the hills on
the hill kind of goes out that sort of makes sense,
it kind of stretches out, and as we got to
this point, as soon as we got to a particular
spot up near the shore where we were fishing. You know,

(01:22:59):
the knocks happened right at the top of the hill,
maybe one hundred yards or so, and the noise was
just it was just like a bodybuilder took a baseball
bat and hit it up against the tree a few times,
and it actually did it a couple of times. Yeah,
and that's that's about. That's about it as far as
my stories go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Okay, well, John, you did an excellent job at describing
these experiences and these encounters that you had out in
the forest, and it was definitely terrifying. It does make
me feel like you're marked or tagged by these creatures,
but you don't let it ruin the forest for you, definitely,
and keep going out there and enjoy what God gave us,
which is nature. And yeah, if you do have an encounter,

(01:23:38):
just know that you were already onto them and you
know that they exist.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah. Man, I appreciate the time, and you know, this
has been therapeutic. I've talked with Donny Miller and carry
On and some other folks over the years just to
try and get this stuff off my chest, and this
is no different. I appreciate the time.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Absolutely, and I hope it helped you out speaking with me,
and if you ever have another encounter in the future,
definitely reach back out to me. I want to see
where this all goes, where it's all heading to, and yeah,
I'm just curious to see if more unfolds in the future,
which I'm sure there will be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
I'm sure seems like every year something new happens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, All right, John, Well, I gotta let you
go for now and until the next one. You take
care of my friend. Sounds good YouTube, all right, see
you later, All right, John, thank you very much for
sharing your bigfoot encounters and experiences ranging all the way
from New York all the way down into Georgia, and

(01:24:36):
these types of experiences and encounters I find to be
the most reliable and genuine. These are the most authentic ones.
I mean, I'll just be honest about that, just because
I'm an outdoorsman and I love to hunt, and I
feel like these encounters really hit home because hunters are
out there in the woods and they're observing their environment,

(01:24:57):
their surroundings, and they know exactly what to look for
and if something's off us hunters, we pick up on it,
especially when you see something that stands out like a
jet black bipedal figure. And I mean this would stick
out to anyone. But when you're out there in the
woods staring at the same trees over and over, you

(01:25:19):
know what to look for, especially when you see deer
after deer, you see squirrels, turkeys, birds. When you have
this type of experience of like something paralleling you out
in the woods, it's just not normal. You're out there
all day and you kind of acclimate to the environment
around you, so you know when something's off, because even

(01:25:39):
like the smallest stick breaking or something moving in the
leaves really gets your attention. And I feel like most
people just hiking through the woods or camping don't really
pick up on stuff like that. I mean some people do,
but for the majority of people, they're not really tuned
into that, especially when they're out there with others, people
are talking loud, playing music. And yeah, I mean this

(01:26:02):
experience that he had in the Hudson Gorge wilderness area
that was frightening because it really reminded me of my
encounters that I had here in Missouri, and it just
really hit home with me. But yeah, John, I appreciate
you so much, and I also appreciate the listeners and
everyone's support. If you have a bigfoot encounter that you

(01:26:22):
would like to share with me, please get in touch
with me sometime at Sasquatchtheory at outlook dot com. And
it doesn't have to just be bigfoot. If you encounter
dog man, mothman, whatever it may be, I would like
to hear about it because I do research out in
the forest and I want to be aware of everything
just in case I run into it. I've seen a
lot of strange things, so I'm very open minded. But yeah,

(01:26:45):
thank you everyone for listening, and until the next one,
you guys be safe out in the forest.

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