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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to the Sasquatch Theory podcast. In today's episode,
I sit down with Kay from Missouri, a witness whose
encounters stretched from the swamps of Michigan, to the Blue
Ridge Mountains of North Carolina, and deep into the ozarks
of Missouri. From glowing eyes and darting moss covered figures
to unexplained wood knocks and chilling screams in the night.
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K's story is one of resilient's mystery and a lifelong
connection to something most people only hear about in whispers.
You're not going to want to miss this powerful and
emotional account of how these experiences shaped her life and
her understanding of the world around us. If you have
a bigfoot encounter you would like to share with me
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here on the channel, please be sure to get in
touch with me sometime and if you guys can subscribe
to the channel like the video and calming down below.
With all that being said, let's dive into Kay's bigfoot
encounters from North America. All right, Kay, welcome to Sasquatch Theory.
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How are you doing today.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm great.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Thanks, Yeah, it's an absolute pleasure to have you on
the show. Okay, if you would tell me a little
bit about yourself, where you're from, and your encounters and
experiences from the very beginning, please Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, sure, First, my name is Kay and I currently
live in Missouri. My encounters though, took place in Michigan,
North Carolina, and Missouri, and they started really at a
very young age. So when I lived in Michigan, I
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was born and raised there, kind of had a pretty
rough family, family involved with gangs and clubs and that
kind of thing, and lots of older brothers and step
siblings and gang and club members who were not kind.
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And so as a little girl, I ran to the
Woods's that's where I tried to escape what I called
the monsters. And I found a place where I didn't
know what it was as a kid, but I know
now it's a bog and I could run out onto
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this mossy carpet and I could lay down on that
carpet and it was like floating, but my brothers or
the other people chasing me would fall through it. So
it was a safe place for me. And I ran
to that bog all of the time, often scared, and
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I'm talking age five to age ten at this point.
Often scared, but it was less scary than what I
was facing in my home, so I would run out
there and lay on that bog, sometimes for hours. And
my very first encounter happened there laying on that bog.
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As it was getting towards night, I heard crashing like
crazy coming through the woods, and I thought that my
brothers and stepbrothers were trying to scare me. So I
just stayed as still as possible and as quiet as possible,
and I saw like the trees were all cedar trees,
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some pine trees, birch trees, things like that. And I
saw one of the cedar trees, probably twenty feet tall,
literally just start moving through the other trees. But because
of the brush that was low, I couldn't see what
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was making that tree just move through the woods. But
I heard the grunting, and I heard groaning and just grunting,
I guess is the best word. And I was like,
what in the world. As a kid, I had no
idea what that was, but I was terrified by it
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and by the noise that it was making, and that
all I could see was this huge tree, not toppling over,
not bending, not crooked, literally straight up and down, just
moving through all of the other trees until I couldn't
see it anymore. And as soon as I couldn't see
it anymore, I got off that bog and I ran
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back for the house and one of my brothers saw
me come in and he was like, we've been looking
for you. And I said, was that you move in
the tree And he's like, what are you talking about?
And I told him and he said, oh, no, that's Bigfoot.
And I didn't even really know what he meant at
that point. But as years went on, I continued to
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run out there. It was my safe place, and I
started to hear things more I didn't like. I said,
I was a kid. I didn't know until much later,
but the wood knocks and the even screams, groanings and
crashings and things moving through, and on occasion I started
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to see the shadows like I could identify something huge.
I called it a bear, because again I was a
kid and I didn't know. But my brother's always told me, no,
you're encountering Bigfoot. He lives here. You're encountering Bigfoot. And
so I just kind of went through my whole young
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childhood with those kind of encounters going on in the woods,
But what also was going on were what I called
the the monsters. A lot of times, out near one
of our sheds, I would see something that looked like
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it had moss hanging from it, and it would dart
into the woods. I would see glowing eyes. After it
darted into the woods, it like it turned to look
at me. And on occasion I would very rarely did
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I go down into our basement because that is where
like everybody went to party and do all their things,
and it was scary down there for me, and I
tried to avoid all of those people. But on occasion
that was where I had to go down to find
my laundry or find clothes or go into the laundry room,
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and I would find glowing orb down in our basement.
And I didn't know what they were, but those I
wasn't afraid of those. Those weren't the monsters. For some reason,
I didn't feel afraid by them. And then at ten,
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that was with my step family and my real mom.
At ten, my mom died and I went to go
live with my dad in northern Michigan and his family,
and the woods had become my friends, so I didn't
really nowhere else to go when I was upset or
I was troubled. I just always went to the woods.
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And we lived on land and property up there, and
I would go to those woods and in those woods
when I was sad or overwhelmed or trying to get
through something new in this new home. I started having
encounters out there. I was older, I was more or
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the preteen and teenager at this point, and Bigfoot wasn't
just something I was uninformed by. At this point, like
I knew about Bigfoot, and the first time I saw,
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what I would say was probably the like the most
I don't want to say, the most real encounter, but
like I saw, and I knew what I saw. Does
that make sense. It wasn't just a shadow in the
darkness as night was falling. It wasn't just something darting.
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It wasn't something retreating quickly. This was a giant form
with its back towards me, walking away. And I became
very aware that everything I'd see as a child, it
just confirmed it, like, Okay, this made it real. This
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made it real. But it didn't scare me. It didn't
make me not want to go into the woods anymore.
I still just always wanted to go into the woods
until I started seeing more things that I again began
to term as the monsters, things like that creature that
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had like moss hanging from it and crooked legs and
bent over and I didn't know what that was, but
I would see it in the in the swamp areas
of where I lived in northern Michigan, And so it
kind of became like two things for me, Like the
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Bigfoot that I became aware of didn't seem scary, but
then there were other things I still felt like monsters,
and I tried to talk to people about these, and
I started getting like just really like you're crazy, Like
you just you lived through so much trauma as a child.
You're making things up. You just want attention, you just
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want whatever, and nobody would believe me. So I just
started putting everything in a box and pretending it didn't exist.
But I would have encounters with orbs and I would
still hear the wood knocks when I went to the woods.
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I would, but I just I quit talking about it.
I just quit telling people about it. And then my
dad died when I was sixteen, so I went off
to college early, and from college probably through my all
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of my I didn't have much time in the woods.
I was in a city, I was at school, I
had recently married, and I just didn't have a lot
of time in the woods. But I would still on
occasion see this darting figure and I didn't know how
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to define it. I didn't know whether to call it
a demon or what. But I would never felt safe
in its presence. I always wanted it to go or
me to escape. Then we moved to North Carolina as
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a young married couple with children, and the Blue Ridge
became another form of escape for me when my husband
started having rage issue. We later found out it was
a brand degenerative disease. But the kids and I would
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escape up into and I use escape probably loosely, but
we would take our weekend and we would go up
into the Blue Ridge Mountain Parkway area and just hike
all of the trails. And there is where I started
having the encounters again with like the wood knocks and
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hearing loud things move through the woods and seeing the
shadows of things moving through the woods. Never really in
your face type encounter, but almost as if it was
just kind of making its presence known to me and
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I don't know if that sounds crazy or not, but
when I looked back over my life, every time I
thought of an encounter with Bigfoot, it was when I
was already in fear, and it was like trying to
make its presence known to me. So I never really
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developed any sort of fear. I mean, like I said,
I never saw him up in my face, or I
probably would have. I probably would have screamed and ran
and peed my pants or something. But I never associated
him with fear at all. It was always interesting to
me that the times that they showed up in my
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life were times when I was already afraid, and it
seemed like it was just a bigger presence that helped
me acknowledge I'm a believer in God also, and so
it helped me acknowledge that creator God was just amazing.
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So then I'm kind of skipping ahead to now because
that I no longer have I'm no longer with my
first husband. My second husband I was with for twenty
one years here in Missouri, and we lived on one
hundred and thirty acres and homesteaded, and this is where
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I really started having more encounters. We homesteaded with his
family and his dad used to tease and say things
like when the Ups driver, the Amazon driver would come up,
he would say things like, be aware that there's skin
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walkers and beware of the things that morph in the night.
And he just was messing with them and trying to
scare them. But I started paying attention. He was a scientist,
and I think he actually I believed he since passed.
But I started paying attention a little bit more because
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I remembered my childhood and I remembered being in the
woods and the encounters that I had, and so I
started like, we started having coyotes who came through crazy,
just like if you watched an old Western or something
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and you hear the Indians just yippin' and yeppin And
that's what these sounded like. But there was something else.
Every time coyotes came through. There was something else that
just had a scream to it that I only knew
how to define, as it sounded like something screaming and
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whatever it was killing dying at the same time. And
I don't know how to I don't know how to
put any more words to it than that, but that's
what it sounded like to me, and it was every
time that the coyotes came through, and we had a
horse field and we could often see them running through
that field. And when I would watch and pay attention,
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that's when I started seeing also something else running at
the edge of the field near the woods, and it
was bigfoot. I know, there was no coyote that big,
there was no bear that big, There was no anything
running with that pack at the edge of the wood
that could have been anything but that, And I wondered
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if that was what was always making that noise. And
then one night we had a new puppy and I
took my puppy out near the edge of the woods
closest to our porch and was just letting her walk
around the edge of the woods. And she was on
a lead and it was dark, and she froze. She stopped,
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and then she turned and started to run, and of
course she gets to the end of her lead and
kind of falls back and chokes on it. Because I
was like, where are you going, Molly, And I tried
to pull her back so we continue on the walk.
And as I pulled her back and kind of turned
my face towards the woods, that scream that I just
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tried to identify that, like, I don't even know, blood
curdling scream that garbled with like the sound like as
if something else was dying with it. It was one
sound coming from one thing. It wasn't killing anything, But
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I don't know how else to describe the sound. It
was right there, like in my face, right there making
that noise. And I don't know how I got that
dog back to the house. I fell several times. By
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the time I came in the door. I was a muddy,
terrible mess. I was shaking like crazy. I was scared.
I had wet myself. I I don't know how I
got the dog in the house with me, and my
husband said, what in the world, And I said, I
saw the skin walker, I saw bigfoot, I saw something.
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And he's like, come on, Dad's just getting to you.
Come on. And I'm like, did you hear the screen?
He's like, yeah, but the coyotes are running. I'm like,
it was in my face. It was right there at
the edge of the woods. Had I reached out my
arm full extent, I probably would have touched its chest.
And it was the most terrifying sound I had ever heard.
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But because it was also so close to me, like
it felt like the ground moved like it. I don't
know that the ground moved. Maybe I just was it
reverberated in me so much. I don't know. I just
know that I fled as fast as I could. And
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I think my dog must have been a kite behind me,
because like I said, I don't know how she got
in the house with me, but she did. And then
after that encounter is when I started seeing seeing more
of his shape and form along the edge of the
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wood in the horse field area without the coyotes, like
just gradually more and more of that kind of thing
on that property. Here in Missouri, we also found footprints
that we could not identify, like we did not know
what they were. Kind of looked now that I know
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things a little bit more, kind of looked like the
shape of maybe dog man or something like that, where
it was a full, I printed, deep pawprint with long
extended toes and claws. It wasn't cougar, wasn't bear. They
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were skinnier, But I never saw anything like that on
that property. And then I know, I'm giving you like
a whole span of a lifetime. But this last year
and a half my husband out of the blue, said
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that he no longer believed in God and didn't like
God and me, and he wanted a divorce. And I
left the homestead and I'm now on my own and
my back door is six feet from the woods. I
sit out there at night and in the morning, and
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I often walk the woods back there, and I wonder, oh,
is Bigfoot going to show up here now too? Like
it almost it's like he follows me wherever I go.
Is he going to show up here too? And one day,
I think it was October of last year, might have
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been September. One of the trees maybe twenty feet off
my porch, it's the one like where I walk down
into the woods, there's a little barbed wire fence that
kind of goes it's been knocked down, and to step
over it, I would grab a hold of this tree
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with my left hand and just kind of rub my
hand around it as I kind of stepped over this
little fence area. And I went out there one day
and this tree right where I always put my hand
to help myself over that little area was just twisted
and like knocked down right where my hand always touched.
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And I have a friend who's a big Bigfoot believer also,
and I sent him pictures and he's like, I think
I think they're back for you. I think they I
think these I think these guys know. And so I
started using that as like a gifting spot. I started
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putting crazy things out there, like suckers that are honey
flavored and shredded wheat, just random things, apples, and they
would always come up missing. And then I put a
tennis ball out there, and the tennis ball looked a
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little shredded, but it ended up back on my porch
and I would put it back out there and it'd
be gone for days, and then I would find it
laying at the woods near my porch, and I put
it back out there. And there's nobody else around that
would be messing with this that I can think of.
But I was like, I wonder if this is sign
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of Bigfoot. I just I wonder. So I started. I
decided to start walking deeper into the woods and find things,
see if I could find any sign of stuff. And
I started here in wood Knocks. There's places out there
where one of the trees is bent, but there's a
big tree fall next to it, and the end of
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the tree that is bent is like stuck in an
eye of the big dead fall to make a big
arch right there, and then another there's a couple other
places where there are bent arches, and I started noticing
that a lot of the are like directly out from
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the only window in the back of my place is
my bedroom window, and they're all directly out from that window.
And there's also a place where two trees got stuck
in the ground. They're probably twenty feet long. One is
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kind of white wood and one is kind of dark wood.
They're just broken off. They're not like they weren't live trees,
Like nothing pulled them up out of the ground, but
they were put at an angle across each other, right
there outside my bedroom window, just in the woods, just
in the woods. And then further beyond there's some more
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arches and different things. And I haven't seen Bigfoot, but
I've seen the sign. However, I was on the phone
one night with the friend I was telling you about
that does believe in Bigfoot. In fact, you've had on
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your show. His name's Dave, and I heard a dog
and I'm like, there's no dogs, there's no dogs, but
it sounded like it was at my front door and
it was barking and growling, and I looked out the
window and I could see nothing, and so I slowly
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started to open the front door, and this black dog
just leaped at me. I screamed, I shoved the door.
I was trying to get the door shut so it
wouldn't come in, and it just sounded like the most
ferocious beast on the planet and scared me to death.
It was a big black dog with really long hair.
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I've never seen that dog again since, but I have
heard since then, and I've heard the growling and I've
heard like a barking. Dave was on the phone, like
I said, he was on the phone with me that
night and he was like, what in the world because
it was just so loud, so crazy. And then last week,
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over by my gifting tree, I was sitting on my
back porch. I was actually having some quiet time sitting there,
and I decided to get up and go just walk
a little bit into the woods, just a little bit. Now,
the ticks are terrible right now, and I didn't want
to go deep, but I thought I'd just take a
little look over there. And as I started to walk
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over towards my gifting tree that I can see from
my porch. Something raised up like it was laying on
the ground, raised up and ran And in my mind
I immediately thought, oh, that was a deer. I just
scared a deer off. And then these are all like
split second thoughts. Then I was thinking, wait a minute,
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there was no flag, like I didn't see the white tail.
That wasn't a deer. A deer would have spooked and
jumped and ran, and there would have been a tail,
would have been the flag, but there was none of that.
And then I realized it wasn't even the color of
a deer, it was almost charcoal black, and that it
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didn't leap and run on four legs. It leaped up
quickly and ran off on two legs. And I only
had the split second for all of this to process.
But I know now what I saw, Like I tried
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to make it a deer, you know, you try to
make sense of something and those split second but it wasn't.
It was something else, and it ran off on two legs.
So I don't know if there's also a dog man
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in the area or something else in the area. I
don't know. I don't. I don't have like the in
your face visual you know what I mean. So that's
kind of spanned the lifetime of my life. Those have
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been my my encounters. But now that I'm I'm older
and even less afraid. I was kind of I was
pretty brave as a kid too, to tell you the truth.
But as I'm older and less afraid of things, my
awareness of these things are also becoming. Like I know
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what I see, I know what I experience, and that's
truth for me. I know what the Bible says is
in the throne room. You know there's there's beings with
eyes all over their wings and have created or God
can make something like that. Then there's not a doubt
in my mind that there are beings on this earth
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that we can't explain and that they can disappear. You know,
is that big ex that tree spot, I'm afraid to
walk under it. I don't want to disappear.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I don't blame you there, but.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You don't you don't. So anyway, I'm I'm, like I said,
less afraid, and I'm more more excited, Like now I
want to know more. Now I don't want to be
the kid who's just wondering what all of this is.
I want to find out more. I want to know more.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, absolutely, sorry. Well, I appreciate you for sharing that
with me, Kay, And it sounds like you've had experiences
your entire life and I can certainly relate. And these
are always my favorite podcasts to do, because that's the
whole reason I started the channel. And it's such a
good feeling knowing that there's other people out there who
have had these experiences. And yeah, a lot of people
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used the terms marked and tagged, and I believe that's
what's happening to you. It seems like no matter where
you go, there's cryptid activity taking place. And if you
would run me through the first encounter again that you
had in Michigan, this was your safe place. You would
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go here. You would go to that area to escape
the chaos from your family, and can you kind of
describe in more detail what happened and what exactly you saw.
Actually you've seen multiple things, so if you would just
kind of run through those again.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
So we lived on a dead end and just past
like the little grate that blocked off the dead end
was a path and I would take off down that
path and it eventually ended and quit, but I kept going.
And as I kept going, it became like a bog like,
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just this swampy area where you could, if you were
light enough, and I was because I was a kid,
you could run out onto this mossy floating carpet almost
and I didn't fall through. I could lay on that,
and I could run on that. And my brothers and
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my family or whoever couldn't couldn't, so they would retreat
and go back and laugh that they left me in
the woods. But I would lay there, and that's where
I first started. My very first thing I saw was
that tree moving through the woods. I heard the noise
of something like something crashing coming through the woods. Thought
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it was my brother's trying to scare me. And then
that's when I looked to see where the crashing was.
I could see this tree just making its way, I know,
it sounds insane, making its way around and through all
of the other trees. And I couldn't see how it
was moving because there was such low brush and lower
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trees around this boggy area that I couldn't really see
what was moving it. But I could see darkness. I
could see like a shadow of something moving it and
grunting and groaning and making all kinds of noise trying
to do that. And then I was terrified. I was
scared to death. I thought, can a bear move a
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tree like that? Like just completely straight up and down,
erect moving through the woods. But I was a kid,
and I didn't know how to explain it, so I
just laid there afraid until I saw it, until I
couldn't see it anymore. And then that's when I got
up and I ran off the bog and I ran
back into the house or towards the house, and one
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of my brothers was there, and when I explained it
to him, he says, oh, that's bigfoot, And again I
thought he was trying to scare me. And I didn't
really know what bigfoot was. But every time I ran
to the woods for my safety, it felt like my
safe place. It felt like I could be there and
nobody could touch me. And so I remember having the thought,
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actually as a kid, that whatever that was that moved
that tree, it was going to be big too, and
it couldn't get on this bog either, Like that was
my reasoning. I was little, I was tiny. I could
lay on this moss. Nobody else could, so it wouldn't
be able to get me there either. But then that's
when I started hearing more things in the woods. I
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started paying attention to the sounds that I was hearing,
lots of groaning, lots of grunts kind of stuff. And
again the shadows, the shadows of things, because often when
I took off to the woods, it was near dark,
it was dusk, and there were times I made my
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way back home, even as a kid, in the dark,
because it wouldn't be safe until I until everybody at
home was gone or passed out or sleep, And so
a lot of the things that I saw were the
shadows were I couldn't see full fully things moving, but
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I saw I saw things moving. The things that I
saw for sure and for certain were more of the
encryptid things. When I would come back, or even sometimes
after school I would come home as a latch key kid,
I'd let myself in and always out by the back
shop near the edge of the woods. I would glance
over there because that's where I would see that thing
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with it It looked like, you know, like the moss
that hangs from the trees, like a Spanish moss, down south.
It was that, but it wasn't. It reminded me of that,
but I don't think it was moss. It was like
part of its being. It was just that scraggly, that
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kind of hanging and whenever I saw it, it always
retreated to the woods, deep enough to hide itself. But
I could see its glowing eyes.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
What color were the glowing eyes?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Red?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
That's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
It is terrifying.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, And I am really sorry that, you know, you
went through all this and unfortunately a lot of us
we can't control our destiny. And you know, I feel
like these creatures or beans or the phenomenon, the unexplained
things that are going on are attracted to people with
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a lot going on in their lives, whether it's trauma, emotions, illnesses,
And I feel like that's how it was with me
when I had my bigfoot encounters. I definitely had a
lot going on and the forest was my safe place.
I would just walk and walk, and for some reason,
I had, like I don't know, like I developed some
type of like OCD or something where I would just
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like walk NonStop to process the stuff that I was
going through. And I had several encounters with the Sasquatch,
and it feels like they targeted me because I was
having activity like every other day, and I knew I
was onto something, like I thought it was like crackheads
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in the woods or trespassers or somebody watching me. I felt,
I don't know, like like something was around and I
later on saw them and it all made sense and
everything clicked, and yeah, it just changed my entire life.
But the things that unfolded after the encounters really blew
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my mind because I would go bow hunting and conservation
areas that were like twenty minutes away and they'd be
like in opposite directions of my place, and no matter
where I went, these things were there. They would be
like wood knocking following me out of the woods, or
I'd find structures. I feel like the structures would find me,
Like I would go to a conservation area for the
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first time and I would sit there and I'd hear
wood knocking and I'd think, oh, man, that's strange. And
then I'd go check out where the wood knocks came
from and I'd find all these x's and arches and
strange geometrical patterns, and I feel like, I don't know
like it was made for me. And I mean, I've
also had times where I'd just like stop off the
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side of a state highway in the Mark Twain National
Forests to pete because I couldn't hold it anymore. And
then like I'd look up and there'd be these ginormous
tepee structures and X structures and it's like, there's no
way I just randomly stopped right here where all this
bigfoot sign is at right right.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And sometimes for me, like I remember, even when I
was in North Carolina, coming out of we would be
on a hike or on a trail and coming back
there would be a structure and I'd be like that
was not there coming in. Like my dad raised me
to be very aware of my surroundings. My life raised
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me to be very aware of my surroundings. I know
what things look like going in, I know what they
look like coming out. And sometimes I'd be like that
was not there. That was not there when we came
in on this path, but there would be a structure
or a teepee or a bent tree or you know something.
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And that's what I'm finding here now too. And like
I said, it feels like almost all of my encounters
were all always after some sort of trauma, some sort
of really hard thing. I've had to walk through a
lot of hard things in my life. You grow you
don't grow up in a gang family and not do that.
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There's a lot of hard But God he has redeemed
so much. However, when I look at this whole activity
that I have had in my life, I can look
back and go hm hmm, yep. I can pinpoint the
trauma in my life with all of the activity I
was seeing at the time. And I don't I had
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never heard about targeting or being marked before until this
year in talking with Dave. But I feel like I
feel like I've been somehow I hate to use this
word loosely, but somehow chosen mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I was getting ready to say the same thing, and
I've had the same feeling. It's almost like you have
this knowing, like you have a knowing since you're a child,
that you're chosen for something greater. And I do. I
feel like like you've been chosen by God. Kay, And
that doesn't mean that your life is going to be peachy.
I think being chosen by God means your life is
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going to be very difficult, but things will be revealed
to you that most people will never see. And I
hope I didn't offend you by saying the trauma thing.
I'm just like projecting like what I went through, and
I can immediately tell when people start telling me about
their encounters and it's like the same storyline, just in
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a different fashion. So I definitely feel like these things
are able to pick up on things that you're going
through in your life. And I just think like when
you're dealing with a lot in your life, it kind
of rewires your brain and it's functioning at a different level.
And that doesn't mean like, oh, you have trauma, so
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your brain's just making all this up. No, that means
like your brain's on overdrive. And I feel like these
things are attracted to that.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think sometimes too, going through difficult things and going
through different hard traumas opens your eyes in ways that
other people sometimes don't get that vision.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I like to say I live outside the box. I
refuse to be inside the box, and with that comes
a level of vision like I it's not what you
look at, it's what you see, and I'm willing to
look outside the possibility of everything. I don't want to
be in the box. The throne room of God is
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not in a box, and I don't want to live
in that box either. I want to I'm willing to see.
And so maybe there's some sort of I know there's
people talk of mind bend and mind speaking that kind
of thing, and I've had some of that too, But
I think that there's an awareness, like these creatures somehow
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know when you're not just a believer, you're a knower
and and they pick up on that.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, I definitely believe that. And you know, I've spoken
to countless people, not even just in the Bigfoot realm,
just people in general, like whenever they get really sick
or someone gets cancer, like they don't realize the things
that they took for granted until like they're in the
hospital and they're like, man, I wish I could just
be at my house or hanging out with my family.
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And it's like you overlook all those things when you're
working really hard and trying to achieve your own goals.
And it's like when you experience something bad all of
a sudden, like you look at life from like I
don't know, like a different filter.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, yeah, different lenses for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah. Absolutely. When you were in Michigan, you mention this
creature with crooked legs. Do you think that was dog Man?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I do? Uh well, Actually, to tell you the truth,
I don't know if it was dog Man or if
it was Windy go.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Mm yeah, that's definitely scary. Was this in lower Michigan
Central or the Up.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Central North? Okay? Yeah, but in the Up we went
to the Up every weekend too, But the encounters where
I ran into the woods were mid North.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah. One of my friends, his name was Tommy. He
recently passed away, but I first heard his encounter on
Sasquatch chronicles. And he had a really, really hard life.
He was put in a foster home. His parents didn't
want him, and the family that took him in was
not a good family. They would beat the heck out
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of him. They would whoop him and punch him, hit him,
just a little kid. And he escaped one day and
took off and went into the swamp like this is
like at midnight, just to get away from the chaos.
And he started drowning in the swamp and this mother
sasquatch like reached in and pulled him out, and he
was like kicking and screaming, trying to get away from
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their creature. And yeah, I mean his whole life was
just unfortunate events and it was it was a really
sad story to hear. I'll have to send that to you.
It's on Sasquatch Chronicles, and I think you'll really be
able to relate to the story.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Oh okay, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned seeing orbs. Was it in
the basement?
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I was in the basement.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah. And were they like small like a marble or
were they like big like a basketball?
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Nope, they were more I would say the size of
like an apple, okay, maybe a tennis ball.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Were they like yellow orange color.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
And or white white?
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
And there was once one that was, oh man, I
would say bigger than a basketball that was red. And
that one I screamed for it to leave and it did.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, that's really interesting. Can I ask you if there
were paranormal experiences in that home as well?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes, the light switch to the basement was on the
like in the hallway, so you had to turn on
the light and open the door to go down into
the basement. And my brothers always used to say that
there was a ghost in the basement, And so I
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never wanted to go down into the basement for many reasons.
First of all, that's where all of their parties, all
their gangs, have everything out, all took place. I didn't
want to be there. Second of all, they told me
about the ghosts and the basement, but they thought that
it would be funny on occasion to throw me in
the basement, pull that door shut, and then close that
light so that I it was dark down there, and
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I would lay at the top of the stairs with
my fingers under the doors, under the door as much
as I could get my hand under the door, and
just just so that I could touch like the light
that was in the hallway on the other side of
that door, Like I was desperate to touch the light.
And they would leave and they would forget that I
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was there, and they would leave me in that basement.
I never saw the actual man ghost that they said
was down there, but I would see like, and I
wasn't going to bring this up because it seems crazy.
I would see like a darker form of dark move
(47:09):
through the basement. It wasn't lit at all. It wasn't
like a glowing or ghostly figure like you would see
on TV or in the movies. I would see I
don't know how to explain it, except that it was
(47:30):
a darker form, like a like a body, a darker
form of the darkness. And I would see it go
from thing to thing, like it would go over near
the couch, or it would come over closer to where
the laundry room door was, or would stand at the
base of the stairs where I was desperately grasping for
the light up at the top. And I know that
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you brought It's interesting that you brought that up because
I hadn't thought of it until just now.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah. I already knew by everything that you told me.
I just how to ask in a kind way.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about that for a.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
While, dud. Do you think it was the same being
that would be out in the woods. Obviously you saw
cryptic creatures, but you also mentioned seeing like shadows moving
through the woods.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah. I still see shadows like I call them shadow people.
I can be at work and see something dart around
corner out of the corner of my eye, or you know,
just walking randomly wherever and see something dart and shadows
move like that still, So I do feel like I
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don't know if it was that thing that I saw
out in the woods or near the shed, or if
it was the ghost of my brothers talked about.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, it makes you wonder, and how does it make
you feel? Like? You read the Bible, you pray, and
you're still having these experiences. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
I think that it is I don't know if gift
is the right word. I don't know if gift is
the right word, but I think it is an ability
because I don't know. I just I feel like we
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even as believers, and I know I keep saying we
put God in a box. I keep using that term box,
but I feel like we do. We don't let God
be God. We let him be conformed to our own
human experiences, our own human mental capabilities. And so I
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feel like sometimes He gifts some of us the ability
to see a little bit more of him.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, I think so too. I've noticed that with a
little bit bigger. I've noticed that with a lot of
YouTube videos, and I think most of them are made
with AI, but they tell you God's going to do this,
if this is happening, this is how God's going to
work in your life. It's like they're putting God in
a box like he's mysterious. Yeah, the Bible, you know,
talks about what happened to like profits or just people
(50:25):
in the Bible in general. But I don't feel like
necessarily that's what's going to happen to us, because they're
like limiting God like this is how he's going to
work because this is what he did for Abraham. But
I feel like anything's possible. And you know a lot
of people here that someone's having, like I don't know,
paranormal experiences and they're like, oh, that's demonic, you must
(50:45):
have done something. But what about Jesus in the desert,
like him encountering the devil? Does that mean he was
demonic or he had like something attached to him? So
I feel like I don't know, Like if you're on
the right path, you're more likely to experience things like
this exactly.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
And I think it also like if you can believe,
Like I keep saying people who disagree with me, who
like to say things like, well, if you're a believer,
you shouldn't believe stuff like this. I always bring up
the creatures in the throne room. I'm sorry, but if
God has creatures next to him in his throne room
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that have wings full of eyeballs, or that have one
being with three different heads of different creatures on it,
then why are we putting Earth in a box? He
created the earth? Why couldn't he have done stuff like this?
(51:44):
And if I'm willing to believe that there's something like
that that is true because I've experienced it, then also
doesn't that open up the door for me to believe
miracles can happen in my life too?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Ye? Yes, I completely agree with you. And who's to
say the angel looks like this supermodel with wings? I
mean it's hard to say. What if it looks like
a barboil or like the Hulk or something? We don't
really know? And from the stories that I've heard in
the Bible, like everyone who encounter an angel is extremely terrified.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yes, yeah, And I mean we haven't even touched on Nephalem,
so let's not even open that door. But if you
believe the Bible is true, then you have to believe
all of it is true. You don't get to pick
and choose.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, I agree with you. So what kind of tree
structures have you found in Missouri.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
So here I have the one that is kind of
just out my bedroom window that I told you about.
This just literally like this big long limb tree, all
of the all of the other limbs of it had
been broken off, and it's kind of aged to like
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a gray white. And then there's another one just almost
equally as long, but it's dark, it's almost black, and
all of the limbs have been stripped off of it too,
And those two are at a perfect x where the
base of it is stuck in the ground and then
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it leans up to another tree. And at the top
of it, this big old piece has like a fork
and that's leaning up against that tree. And then the
other one is exactly the same, it's just a different color.
But the top of it too has like this little
like where it branched out and made a fork so
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that it could lean up against another tree that is
not big trees that just felt like that there they
were placed there, and they formed this giant, I don't know,
fifteen twenty foot tall X. And then the other things
(54:07):
that I've seen, like I said, are the tree bends
where the one was very purposefully stuck in a dead fall,
and I almost wondered if it was just the playfulness
of a juvenile because it's it's like woven through this
eye of this dead fall, so it bends up out
(54:29):
of the ground and then it sticks into this dead
fall eye. And then across from it is another one
that's probably again fifteen twenty feet in the air, a big, huge,
long one that is an arch, almost strictly across from
where that little one was. Little one's probably only four
or five feet off the ground. And then I had
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a random little tp made literally like I'm looking at
my porch right now, there's probably probably six feet of
grass between the edge of my concrete and the woods,
and right at the edge of it near me was
maybe a three foot tall where somebody made a tpee
(55:12):
of sticks. Nobody here makes a tepee of sticks like
it's me.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, that does sound like juvenile activity, but of course
if there's little ones around, you know, there's bigger ones
as well.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
M And then the whole tennis ball thing felt like play.
I would put it on my little gifting spot of
the tree that was twisted, and it would be gone
for a day, maybe two, and then when it was back,
it was kind of shredded a little bit and dirty,
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but it was always near the edge of my porch.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah, so they're certainly communicating with you. What do you
think they're trying to say?
Speaker 2 (56:05):
So one of the things I have struggled with my
whole life is I felt like I wasn't seen, nobody
really knew me, nobody understood me. And this feels like
maybe they're being used even by God, to say I
see you. I see you, just moved here to this place,
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this new place, off on a scary adventure, starting over
again in your fifties. I see you, And it doesn't
feel scary to me. Now, what I think is dog
man scaring the living daylights out of me. But I
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carry I'm good. If I have to command them to
flee in Jesus name, I'll do that too. As far
as the big what I feel is the Bigfoot activity.
It doesn't feel scary to me. It feels comforting, feels
like a message, it feels like messengers.
Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, that's an excellent answer. And I got the same
impression myself, Like throughout life, I just never felt important,
never seen, And when these creatures showed up, it's like
I don't know, I felt like it had something to
do with God. And I know a lot of people
call them demons, but it's like, well, if there's good ones,
there's probably bad ones. And I feel like I ran
(57:37):
into some good sasquatch because they never hurt me. They
never tried to, I don't know, harm me in any way.
I definitely feel like some of the stuff was scary,
but if they wanted me to be gone, I definitely
would be. And I was going through a hard time
where I just, you know, didn't want to be on
this planet anymore. And when I encountered them, it really
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rewires my brain and I was excited to be alive.
So I don't feel like that was something evil.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Right, I agree with you. I mean, even humans, there's
good and there's bad.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Yeah. Absolutely. And how often would you gift these creatures.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
I didn't start gifting until I moved here, and I
would say through fall and winter and part of spring,
I was putting something out there maybe two times a week.
Now that everything's grown up and there's a thousand seed
(58:39):
ticks every step you take, I haven't been out there
as much, but in fact I can't. I can't remember
the last time I did it. It's probably been a month.
Speaker 1 (58:53):
So you're embracing these things. You want them to come up,
and you're trying to learn more. Have you had success
with the gift?
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Well, things disappear.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, that's a good sign.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
So everything is always gone. And I don't know, you know,
I mean a squirrel could have made off with something,
but I don't see a lot of squirrel around here.
And the ball, the tennis ball is really just very
intriguing to me. It keeps getting brought back.
Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, that is really interesting.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Well, it's not brought back to the tree. It's brought
back to my porch.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah. I've heard a lot of people say the same thing,
like they'll bring things back and sometimes leave it on
the porch, so you know they're nearby, they're watching you.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Oh. I just remembered something, not yesterday morning, but the
morning before. Something hit me and I was like, what
the world? And I looked and I saw it kind
of bouncing off into the ground and it looked like
from where I was sitting, I was like, is that
a little green acorn? And then I looked out into
the woods and I'm like, there's I have pine trees,
(01:00:12):
I have cedar trees, I have elms, there's shrubs, there's
no oaks. That's not an acorn. What in the heck
is that? And as I got up to go look,
two more got thrown at me from the woods and
they are little I think they're little hickory nuts. But
(01:00:33):
I don't know where they came from. Yeah, that was
three days ago.
Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
That means they're still around and they're letting you know
that they're in the area.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
My friend Dave said they're mad because I haven't put
anything on the gifting spot.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
That could be as well. I mean, that's very plausible.
The black dog that you saw with long hair, do
you think it was a hell hound or a dog man?
Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I don't know. I don't know. I know it wasn't
there when I I mean, it was there, and then
it was not, and it was vicious and had lots
of slobber. And then maybe a week later, as I
(01:01:23):
was leaving, I was at a stop sign right you know,
like a block away from where I am, and I
saw that what I thought was that black dog again.
And I was again on the phone with Dave, and
I gasped and I said, there's that dog. And I
turned to look the other direction because I was, you know,
(01:01:46):
I needed to look both ways before I crossed, and
I looked the other direction, and I looked back real quick,
and it was gone. It was gone again, But it is,
I don't know. That's the only time I've seen it
like out and about now. If it was the same
thing that rose up from my gifting tree area, I
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don't think it was, because that was very much a
charcoal gray colored that one felt more dog man for
some reason. It was a very dark charcoal, but the
way that I can see it in my mind's eye
now raising up and running, that felt like dog man.
(01:02:32):
I actually have a picture also. I took a picture
because I heard a dog in the woods, the growling,
and about five or six minutes later I took a
picture again. In the first picture, I see something, I
(01:02:56):
see something that looks like a dog man head. And
in the second pick sure it's not there. But that
that's as close as I got to actually seeing that
other than the one that came to my front door.
And that one that came to my front door. Maybe
it was a hellshound, because it was definitely Julie like
(01:03:21):
it was dog You know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
What, I mean, did you notice longer hair around the
neck like a mane like yes, similar to a line. Yeah,
that's more of a hell.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
It reminded me of like a collie like lassie as
far as the fluff of the hair all around its neck,
but it was black.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yeah, that's terrifying. It makes you wonder why you're experiencing
like all this unexplained phenomenon. And I wonder if the
family from Skinwalker Ranch when they moved away, like if
the activity followed them. I don't feel like it's like
I don't know, like area specific, like I feel like
it follows people around, similar like with yourself and me,
(01:04:12):
Like you bounced around North America and it seemed like
you had experiences no matter where you went and forested
areas right.
Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Right, I'm not sure. I'm not sure why I got
picked or chosen or whatever the word is that you
want to use, except that maybe two reasons. God knew
(01:04:40):
he could use part of it to help help me heal,
even like the good the parts that feel good, but
the scary parts of it. Maybe that's for me to
help heal others. Listen, if you can meet things, if
you can be in the presence of stuff that scarce stuff,
crap out of you and still want to go on
(01:05:04):
and still have hope and still choose to stay. Maybe
he can use that message. I do a lot of
work in recovery. I do a lot of work in
the church, and I don't know. Maybe it's just so
that my eyes can be seen, or my eyes can
be open to everything and see people and see their
(01:05:27):
pain and know that I've walked through it too. I
don't just come at it with education and knowledge of books.
I come with some experience, and maybe this is just
supposed to be part of my experience. When you live
through things that's scare. I don't know if I can
say the S word on your on your podcast, but
(01:05:51):
scared that I live and crap out of you and
still choose to stay and still choose to find hope
and still choose to look for the Then you can
be used maybe to help other people. And that's that's
why I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, I completely agree with you. And your faith is
being tested even beyond your limits, and maybe you're being
tested to see if you're still faithful, if you still believe. Yeah, Yeah,
when you see stuff like this, it'll definitely change everything,
and you know, it's like what do I do with this?
Like how do I go on? Who do I tell?
(01:06:27):
What are these things? And there's so many questions and
it just leads to more questions. It's definitely confusing. But
you know without a doubt that these things are out there,
and I'm sure you wonder, like what are they? What's
the purpose of this?
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah? I do, But I also believe I was made
for such a time as this. I did go through
the life that I went through for nothing. And I
know I haven't, like, you know, shared my whole story,
and I'm not. I'm not here to do that, but
when you have lived through some of the things at nine,
(01:07:02):
I will share this. I tried to take my life
at age nine. I didn't want to stay anymore. It
was life was too ugly. And when you've lived through
that and you get now, like I said in my fifties,
I'm here for such a time as this. The world
is going crazy, it's going sideways, and if I can
(01:07:23):
help people navigate that with less fear and with more hope,
that's why I'm still here. And maybe that's why I'm
getting these encounters. Maybe it is hell coming at me,
but I'm here to shut hell up and I'll use it,
(01:07:44):
I'll flip it.
Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, absolutely, And maybe that's our purpose right now. We're
accomplishing that by sharing these experiences, and that's right. You know,
maybe it'll help somebody else who's going through a really
hard time, someone who's seen these things and maybe they
just don't want to be here anymore and they hear
your encounters and it'll completely change them. And also people
(01:08:06):
need to know that there's a lot more out there
and these things are happening. And yeah, our physical world
goes beyond what we can see. And there's definitely a
spiritual side to it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
So do you live on your own?
Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Does that scare you being out there all alone with
these things? Yes and no, it's a comforting, scary feeling.
Mostly yes, it scares me.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
I mean, it's just scary to be in the world nowadays.
But I have I think I would rather call it
a healthy fear. The fear is more in what I
know they would be capable of doing. Like like you said,
(01:09:04):
there's many times I could have been gone had they
chose to kill me or take me right then and there.
They could have, and there's a healthy fear. How can
there not be? This is terrifying.
Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Stuff, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
So Yeah, I'm scared and being alone. Yeah that makes
me scared too, But it also.
Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
It brings you closer.
Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
To brings me closer to God, and it also makes
me realize that it's not there's no shame in being prepared,
you know, learning how to use weapons and carrying and yeah,
not being dumb.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I tell people all the time, I would rather be
out camping in the woods at nighttime with cryptid creatures
around my camp than being downtown Saint Louis for some reason,
like it's just way more anxiety, Like life's just too
fast in the city, live in the city, and I
find more comfort being around these things way out in
the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah. I would one hundred percent rather be in the
woods any day than the city.
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, do you have any other experiences that
you can think of? Anything else you'd like to share.
We're almost two. Yeah, we're almost at six thirty, and
I know you got to go.
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, you pulled out the one that I had forgotten about,
So I can't think of any others. Right off the top,
of my head.
Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I had to ask, have you and also have
you ever had like a strange alien standing next to
your bed? Have you ever been abducted anything like that.
I'm not saying there's a connection, okay, Okay, I had.
Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
No alien experience, No, none of that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Okay. Well, I really do appreciate you for contacting me
and taking the time to share your experiences on the channel.
And I have no out that these experiences will certainly
help somebody out there who's struggling with the same thing.
So thank you so much. It definitely helped me out.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Oh well, thank you, Miguel. I appreciate it. It's been fun.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, absolutely, And maybe we can meet up in the future,
go for a hike or if you have some some
wild activity happening, you can definitely call me. I have
a lot of gear and maybe we can get some
good footage.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Okay, it'd be great. Sounds good. Keep in contact with me,
let me know and we'll definitely get together. All right,
Thanks with gom Yeah, thank you, and you have an
excellent day. Okay you too, all right, bye. Thank you
for tuning into this episode of Sasquatch. Theory. Case experiences
remind us that the unknown often walks beside us, whether
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it's in the swamps of Michigan, the Blue Ridge Mountains,
or deep in the Ozarks of Missouri. If you have
had a bigfoot or crypti encounter you would like to
share with me here on the channel, please be sure
to get in touch with me sometime. I could definitely
relate to Kay with her experiences, and it was the
same with me. Just like I said in the podcast,
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it seems like these creatures tune into people that are
experiencing pain in their life, and often they will mark
or tag a person and follow them around from area
to area. And it's hard to say if this is
just a physical trait of these creatures that they're able
to hone in on certain individuals, or if it's something spiritual.
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Who knows, it could be both, But I have noticed
throughout my years of research that these creatures do like
to approach women and children, and I feel like Michigan
is an excellent area to experience bigfoot activity. There's been
a lot of reports from the Blue Ridge Mountains in
North Carolina, and of course my absolute favorite, the Ozarks.
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The Ozarks is a it's a hot spot for bigfoot
activity and I just cannot say it enough. It's overlooked
by many people, but that's the reason why they are here.
I appreciate everyone for tuning in today and if you
guys can like the video and until the next one,
you guys be safe out in the forest.