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June 28, 2025 130 mins
In this episode of Sasquatch Theory, I sit down with Levi, a seasoned Bigfoot researcher from St. Louis, Missouri. Levi shares his chilling experiences investigating strange activity around Weldon Springs, Missouri—a location known for its mysterious history and reported sightings. With a background in BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization) expeditions, Levi brings a unique perspective to the field. He’s not afraid to think outside the box, using experimental techniques and unconventional equipment to uncover the truth behind the elusive creature. From unexplained noises in the night to close encounters deep in the Missouri woods, Levi opens up about the strange events he's documented over the years. Could Bigfoot really be roaming the woods of Weldon Springs? Tune in and decide for yourself. 📩 Have a story or encounter? Contact me at sasquatchtheory@outlook.com 🔔 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell so you don’t miss future investigations!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey everyone, and welcome to another Sasquatch Theory podcast. On
this episode, we have Levi from Saint Louis, Missouri, and
he has been conducting bigfoot and UFO research for quite
some time now. Levi talks about the strange activity that
he experienced off of the Missouri River in Weldon Springs.
He's been followed out of the woods, He's heard whistles,

(00:26):
He's found tree structures, and Levi has also been on
Bigfoot expeditions with the BFRO who have experienced things that
they just cannot explain. In this podcast, Levi discusses the
methods that he utilizes out in the field, and I
thought it was pretty cool and interesting to see what

(00:47):
other things people are coming up with. If you have
a bigfoot encounter that you would like to share with
me here on the channel, please contact me sometime at
Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. I also wanted to
update the people that support the handle on the research.
We are getting a new thermal drone and I am
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(01:07):
the Thanks button will greatly be appreciated. All Right, guys,
let's dive into our next Bigfoot encounter from the show
me state of Missouri. Levi, Welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How

(01:32):
are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm well, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm doing pretty good? Thank you for asking, Levi? If
you would tell us a little bit about yourself, where
you're from, and your encounters and experiences from the very beginning,
please perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, obviously, my name is Levi. I currently live in
Saint Louis, Missouri. I'm from Indiana, originally very close to
what people consider the Sasquatch hotspot in Indiana. Who's your
National Forest? I moved here two years ago for work. Essentially,

(02:12):
I make outdoor gear, specifically climbing gear, climbing shoes, and
you know other related pieces that go with that realm.
Through work, I'm outside a ton more than most people are.

(02:34):
I do a ton of testing on everything that I
make and everything that the company I work for brings
to the market, So it puts me in pretty remote
areas to climb and to test products. So yeah, that's
just kind of like how I got here. Most of

(02:54):
my stuff that has happened here has been really really
close to the city, much closer than most people would
probably anticipate having experiences or would even think that you
would have an experience. I have a lot of stuff
that happens pretty regularly, and not just in in Saint Louis.

(03:19):
I kind of go all over the country. And you know,
with with my job, it puts me I could go
to Texas next week for a week and test products there.
So it's it's all over the place. Kind of new
to the the bigfoot, sasquatch, realm very deeply ingrained in

(03:42):
in UFO research. It's kind of odd to me how
things overlap, but I guess we'll get into that a
little later probably.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
All right. I appreciate you for sharing that with me,
and it sounds like you're embedded into the outdoors and
it's a part of your life. If you would tell
me about the first experience that you had and how
did this all start?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, so kind of got interested just because of where
I am geographically, Missouri is wild. There's there's a lot
of stuff that goes on here, and it's been like
a constant hotspot for not just sasquatch, cryptids, UFOs, whatever UAPs,

(04:31):
like everything you can imagine happens here. And honestly, it's
kind of in my opinion, slept on state. There's a
lot of people that do research here, but there's also
a lot of people that overlook Missouri in general and
are just like, oh, yeah, there's nothing going on there.

(04:52):
There's a lot. So with that being said, I have
been doing some research in the UFO realm and had
come across a couple stories of an area that's really
close to me. Everything in Saint Louis, research wise, for me,
is twenty minutes away, which is crazy to think of.

(05:13):
My main area is Weldon Springs. Totally fine with putting
it out there. It's not hard to find spots if
you know how to look correctly, But initially just got
interested from hearing a couple interviews of people that are
from the state that have had experiences out there, and

(05:36):
it just peaked. It was like the first time I went,
I was like, oh, this is pretty crazy. Like the
the area feels really wild. Just the atmosphere in general
in Weldon Springs is very magical. That's the best way
that I can describe it without getting overly in detail.

(06:01):
There's a lot of stuff that has happened in that
area historically, with like like basically weapons manufacturing. There's a
spot called the Moon by the locals, and it's a
I believe it's a uranium disposal site, so it's it's
pretty much a giant man made hill covered in rocks

(06:24):
that has a concrete dome beneath the rocks and then
a bunch of munitions waste that they packed in there
for whatever reason. I personally believe that that has a
lot to do with the area. But yeah, you know,
just heard stories, read some some stories, listened to a

(06:46):
couple interviews, and was like, I should go out here.
Really stuff started to pick up like the second time.
The first time I went wasn't really a long It
was like maybe I was maybe there like an hour
and a half and could tell pretty pretty easily that
the area was a little weird. Second time is when

(07:08):
it really ramped up. Went to the spot, I had major,
major electronics malfunctions through UFO research. I have a ton
of tech that I use, some stuff that I've made
on my own. That's that's pretty advanced. I have a
little bit of an electronics background, kind of a smart

(07:34):
guy in that realm, but also not smart in that
realm too, I guess. So yeah, went out had had
some wild stuff happened with electronics, went back to the car,
started to leave, and I drive a hybrid vehicle, which
it it. I didn't expect this, and it's happened a

(07:55):
couple other times. Was driving down the road and essentially
had all my electronics in my car, so my radio, navigation,
the speedometer, like pretty much everything is digital. All of
that shut down as I was leaving the area, and
this is around maybe I think I left the area

(08:16):
closes officially at ten. I think I was out of
there like nine forty five and decided to drive the
back roads towards a couple other spots that had had
reports previously. And yeah, so the truck went haywire. Luckily
didn't crash, it didn't shut off, which was odd. I

(08:39):
pulled over maybe ten minutes later, everything kicked back on.
Immediately called my girlfriend and said, hey, this happened. If
anything happens again, you might have to come get me.
And essentially middle of that call, the call got dropped,
So more electronics interference. Yeah, it just kind of kind

(08:59):
of ramped up from there. Very very odd and very
pointed in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, that is very strange. Do you believe this was
due to strange activity or possibly like nuclear waste or
like the uranium. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
So it I pull a lot of ideas from from
the UFO realm, so if it gets weird, I just
want to, you know, put that out there so people
understand that all of all of my thoughts and everything
that I assume that's happening is because of everything I've

(09:45):
learned in in that area of research. To answer the question,
I think that it's probably. I think there's a couple factors.
I think definitely, like the munition's waste is a big
part of it. I mean, you can walk out there
with a Geiger counter and almost immediately start getting hits in.

(10:08):
I mean you don't. You don't have to be far.
You can get out of your car and walk I
would say fifty feet in any direction and you'll probably
pick up us you know, a reading from there. I
also think though, that it's partially due to the geography

(10:28):
of the area. There's a lot of granite that runs
through Missouri, which is really really weird for me. You
don't usually see granite. We climb on granite all the time,
but it's all on the West coast. So these giant
pockets of granite that run through Missouri, I think play

(10:51):
a factor historically in the UFO realm granted, has been
a very very solid indicator of an area that you
would expect to have some sort of contact. So I
think it's and I think it's it's that it's the
munition's waste, it's the geography, it's the rock. But also

(11:14):
I think two it plays a major factor that there's
two rivers that essentially, I mean we're surrounded by huge,
huge rivers, a lot of liminal spaces that are you know,
constantly changing, not so much like sight wise, but there's

(11:36):
a lot of energy that moves through that area just
because of the water. I mean, you can everybody I
know in Saint Louis has said, like you can watch
the clouds and rain come in and you know, storms
and everything, and and it's it's all over the place.
It's I think it's just like a a massive collection

(11:59):
of different factors and they all bring just high strangeness
to the area.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I would agree with that. It seems like it's
the perfect recipe. It's right off the Missouri River, which
there's a lot of strange reports off of the river.
It's a conservation area, and like you said, there's granite
rock there and the Egyptians they were big on granted,
and people still can't really figure out how the Great
Pyramids were built. And I believe it's definitely connected with

(12:29):
a lot of the stuff that's going on today. And yeah,
with UFO activity, I've heard of people saying their car
just shuts off and their electronics fail. Do you think
maybe there's something going on underground?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Possibly underground. There's a lot of caves that run through here.
I mean, you know, the cave systems in Missouri are
pretty vast. It's really hard for me to kind of
jump into the cave theory. I don't. I it's it's

(13:09):
I'm half and half. I think, yeah, probably there are
factors that play in with the caves. I don't necessarily
think that it's connected to to Sasquatch activity. And I
don't really think it's connected to UFO activity here.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Uh yeah, maybe like an underground base or something.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, it maybe. I mean I'm kind of one of
these guys that.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
You gotta see it first to believe it.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Uh No, not necessarily. I definitely fall into some like
oh yeah, this is like a tangible theory, like you know,
I don't. I'll read reports or do my own research
and be like, yeah, like this, I can see this
happening for me. The base thing is kind of wild
just because of the soil compaction in in Missouri, Like

(14:02):
everything's pretty loose, Like the groundwater here is pretty crazy,
and the elevation changes like Saint Louis alone, I mean,
they've had how many floods, you know, So if there's
underground bases in caves or whatever, the likelihood of those
flooding to an extent would be pretty high. That's not

(14:24):
to say that there's not technology out there that we
don't know of that can block that out. That's certainly
a factor. I definitely believe it's it's it's a thing
for me, though, I think I kind of this and
it gets a little weird here too. I have a
lot of deep knowledge and a and a background in

(14:45):
like what people consider magic. I guess you could say
to the best way that I can describe myself is uh,
a pair of ufologist. So I I do all the
research for everything, look at it with you know, through
a scientific lens, but also know pretty strongly and can

(15:10):
almost prove it that there's you know, there's an ability
within everybody to be able to make contact with whatever
they want to make contact with. So I and and
a lot of that is based off of, you know,
where someone lives, their mindset, the area they're in, what's

(15:34):
happening around them, so through through the Magic realm and
through ufology and just kind of pulling from both, Like
there's stuff I do in the field that is is
totally different than any other researcher that I've met. And
I've had now kind of being in the in the community,
like I've had a lot of people that are like,

(15:56):
no one's approaching it the way you are. It's kind
of been like a no, we don't do that because
you know, the bigfoot in the UFO realm doesn't really
go together. But I think if you know what to
do correctly, and I think that there's people around Weldon
Springs that probably know what to do correctly, I think
you could pull some of the stuff in to answer

(16:19):
just the easiest way that I can say it is personally,
I feel that there's probably some sort of portal in
the Weldon Springs area that is connected to more very
large portals in Missouri in general, I mean the Ozarks,

(16:40):
there's definitely stuff. Piedmont, Missouri is like the UFO capital
of Missouri. They I mean, they have the UFO flap
in the seventies, all of these things, especially in you know,
occult magic or magic, whatever kind of magic you want
to call it. Like, Missouri has been a hotspot for

(17:00):
that for a long, long long time, all the way
back to like the forties and fifties, and people don't
really realize it. The UFO guys here do, but not
the Bigfoot guys. So it's kind of nice to like
bring a theory into you know, Bigfoot and say, hey,
like this happened here, maybe it's affected. I definitely believe
that everything is connected, like all of the cryptid all

(17:23):
of the UFO activity, all of bigfoot sasquatch, whatever, anything
you can think of. It's all high strangeness and it
all falls directly in line with everything else. So Yeah,
the portal, my personal opinion is it's it's portals in
the area and surrounding areas.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, and that's an excellent theory. I believe the same,
and I don't have any proof on that. Other than
the same areas that I have Bigfoot experiences in. There's
strange crafts flying in the sky's above, and that leads
me to believe it's possibly connected. But again I don't
really know. Can you tell me about some of the
experiences that you've had that led you to this idea

(18:07):
or theory.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, for sure. So when I when I moved to
Saint Louis and started kind of doing like a dive
in like research here and just you know, like I said,
just hearing stories and reading interviews of stuff. The the
thing that I thought was, Okay, take look at the maps,

(18:33):
look at historically all of the sidings, pick where most
of them are, and try to find something that's close.
Which was pretty easy bigfoot mapping project, you know, the BFRORO,
all that stuff. There's data galore. I pull from data
to try to pick an area. So looked at data,
went to Welden Springs, went out there, kind of did
a hike around. I'm not really big on like the

(18:55):
whooping or the tree knock stuff. I think a lot
of that is very distractive and the basis for it
scientifically is kind of hard to prove. So, you know,
went out, didn't do anything out of the ordinary, just
went for a hike, and during the hike I started

(19:19):
to notice one I was on a trail system, one
of the lowest and clark trails. As I was coming
back to my vehicle, I started to notice that I
was potentially getting parallel by something, you know, the typical
you're walking, you hear it, you stop, it stops. So

(19:41):
that was kind of like the first indicator. So I
was like, Okay, this is happening, like it's it's been
happening for like at least thirty minutes on my walk.
The trail that I was on has a very the
trees out there, they grow essentially in tunnel on this
one part of the trail, so you're kind of engulfed

(20:04):
in this like tube of trees is the easiest way
to explain it. And I could just hear it, like
something was walking directly off to my right, maybe I
would say, like five or ten feet behind me, moving
extremely quiet, but it was enough to where I heard

(20:26):
it and noticed that it was It wasn't going anywhere,
so I kept walking, did a couple quick stops and
would catch like, you know, a step or two, making
shoes like for me I kind of know exactly how
feet work. In every realm we make, you know, shoes

(20:47):
for a billion people, essentially, anybody that wants to buy
the shoes, they're on the open market. So through work,
I have to know a lot about feet and how
feet were. And I could tell that whatever it was
wasn't walking heel to toe, so there's no heel strike.

(21:08):
I noticed that the heel strike comes in and it
is a thing. But during this thing, during this this experience,
I noticed that it was walking on its toes essentially,
which is I mean, if you know anything about how
to sneak through the woods, hunters do it all the time.
The military teaches it pretty regularly. If you walk on

(21:31):
your toes, you're much more quiet. So I noticed that
it was paralleling and would take a step, but it
wasn't the full foot impact. So that kind of I
was like, Okay, whatever this is is is pretty intelligent.
It's not it's it's not an it's not an animal,

(21:54):
it's not a deer. It's not that you know anything
like we would have crazy out here. So you know,
to me, I'm like, okay, this is bipedal as well,
because I'm not hearing four steps, I'm hearing one two
just like myself. So yeah, that was like the first
thing that really really made it. Like, like the the

(22:19):
flag went up, I was like, Okay, there's there's something
out here. This is like really happening out here. Left,
had the car stuff happen, went back? I think I
went back two days later and had taken some more
tech and just basically had like very very serious electronics

(22:46):
malfunctions and and odd like super odd readings. I started
to get what people call, I mean, you know, infra
sound is a thing. I started to feel pretty queasy
and kind of lightheaded, and was holding a piece of

(23:07):
tech that I believe can measure that to an extent.
It's based off of radio waves and frequency, and was
getting a pretty massive spike right as I started feeling
really really sick, turned everything off, kind of retreated, went

(23:28):
back and took like a half hour break, kind of
chilled out, and then walked back in, turned everything on,
the same thing happened again, like almost literally leaving the
tree coverage out to my vehicle to the parking lot,
drinking some water, sitting there trying to you know, figure
out what's going on. Felt totally fine. Walked back in

(23:49):
all the same stuff started happening immediately, So that was
kind of Those two were like the big indicators to
me that you know, this area is is pretty like
solid to research, you.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Know, yeah, absolutely, And that's a common thing to be
paralleled by these creatures. And it seems like they follow
you at a distance and when you walk, they walk,
you stop, they stop, and that's a big indicator that
you're being followed by something. And I think you make
a very good point about the military and how they

(24:25):
teach people to walk on their toes. I think that's
really big when you're pursuing these creatures is not to
make any noise because a lot of people go to
bigfoot areas and they're just walking down trails, walking through
the woods, talking loudly, and they never see anything. I mean,
they don't even see deer turkey. So you're definitely scaring
everything off. So when it feels like there's just nothing around,

(24:46):
that's a good indicator that there's probably something watching you.
And that's how good these things are. They can definitely
sneak around, and that's what blows my mind about these
research areas. You'll look everywhere and you won't see anything,
and then when you can't, like the would knock around
you and it's like, wow, they were here the whole time.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean the stealth people talk about
cloaking and all of that, which I think, I think
is a thing to an extent, but personally me like, like,
they don't need to cloak if they don't want you
to know they're there, They're they're there, you know. I mean,

(25:26):
I mean these if if we are what they or
they are what we think they are, and the capabilities,
you know, are what people have like tons of different theories,
they're like, you know, just absolutely crazy stuff too, not
crazy in general, crazy as like this is how is
this even possible? That's really cool and the idea is

(25:46):
really cool, But at the end of the day, it
boils down to one thing. For me. You can go
into the woods and there's deer, like that, you know,
there's deer, you can see the footprints, you can see everything.
But how many times have you walked in the woods
and you've never seen a deer? And then or you're

(26:07):
not you're paying attention, you're looking around, you don't see one,
and then all of a sudden one starts out and
you had no clue what was there. You know, if
if deer can do that, I mean, imagine what something
is that's trying to essentially evade everything in the area
that is not of the natural world or doesn't live

(26:31):
in the forest. Like they're gonna hide. They're going to
know how to hide. Human perception and you know, the
field of view and what you pay attention to. We're
humans are pretty on the on the scale of really
aware versus not aware, We're we're pretty low towards the

(26:55):
not aware when it comes to being in the woods.
You know, people's situation will awareness in general in the
woods is usually very low, and it takes a lot
of time to train it to not be like that.
You know, hunters spend how many how many years before
they get really, really good, So you got to think

(27:16):
of it that way too. It's like, if you're out
in the woods and you're on a hike or you're
researching and you're looking around, you could look straight over
something and have no clue it was there until it moves,
and then you're like, where'd that come from? You know,
So if it's if there's a bigfoot in the area,
you know it could be five feet from you and

(27:36):
you could not know, and it could not be cloaked.
It could just be so well camouflaged or still or hidden,
you know your point of like people going in, they
are loud and look all over and you know, walk
through the woods and everything like that plays a big
factor too, Like if you if you can't be quiet,

(27:58):
if you're distracted and you're not paying attention, you're not
going to see anything that doesn't want to be seen, essentially,
and that's that's like bottom line, Like if something doesn't
want you to see it, it's gonna do whatever it
needs to do to hide from you.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
You know, yeah, absolutely, And it's pretty tough when you're
deer hunting. A lot of people get lucky, but you
have to look at this like, Okay, this isn't a
plan eater. It's almost like you're hunting a mountain lion.
And a lot of people use dogs to chase down
mountain lions because it's darn near impossible just to track
one down or sit around and wait for one. And
you have to think of Bigfoot being on another level

(28:35):
above a mountain lion. It's like above and beyond that.
So you're pretty much a predator seeking out a super predator,
and that's just not so easy to do. And a
lot of times they find you. And that's the easiest
way to find a sasquatch is when they're pretty much
hunting you.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh yeah, I agree, you know, one hundred percent. They're
obviously very curious, you know, like anything else. I mean,
we go back to deer, like deer will walk up
on you, especially if you're you know, aren't non threatening
or you're just kind of hanging out, you know, the

(29:12):
whatever whatever's out there is gonna because they have to learn.
You've got to think of it that way too, Like
if they're trying to be evasive, like they're going to
try to learn what humans are gonna do, and that,
I mean, that's that's a whole other thing too. Like that,

(29:33):
I'm pretty sure at this point, like they kind of
have everything cataloged as well. Okay, they're humans are gonna
come in, They're gonna walk straight through the woods, they're
gonna get off the trail, they're gonna knock on trees,
They're gonna mimic what they think we are doing. I
think a lot of the stuff that a historically people

(29:53):
have done. It may have worked like research tactic wise,
it may have worked before. It's so not working as
well as I think people think it is now. And
that's that's not to be critical of researchers or or
you know, anyone in general. But there's a lot of
stuff that I've noticed just coming in fresh with a

(30:16):
different set of investigative eyes. I see people do stuff
and I'm like, there's like, you got to change a tactic.
You got to do something different. If you're going to
walk into the woods and you're trying to catch these
things off guard, your best bet, honestly is to think
so far out of the box of what everyone else
is doing, which is what I've tried to do, and

(30:39):
the results have been really, really really good. You know,
you just just think outside of the box and try
different approaches. You'd be surprised what pops up when you
do something you know, totally different than everybody else is doing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Absolutely, I'm not dismissing like anyone's tactics, whether like they
go out there and play a violin or they're singing
songs or leaving peanut butter chocolate. I mean those things
may work, but it's not gonna work every time, or
somebody's using like a sho far horn from Israel, Like
maybe it did work, but I don't feel like you

(31:15):
can go out there every time and be like, oh,
this is the key. They're going to just come in
every time, and it's just like fool me once and
you know that's shame on you, but fool me twice,
shame on me kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, for sure, I definitely agree. I mean I see
I see researchers, you know, they do the same stuff
every time and they get pretty pretty serious results with it.
I think it's all based off of you know, you know,
your personal like what what you want to accomplish and
what you think works for your area too. I think

(31:50):
that's another big thing. It's like the area you're in.
You know, you may have a different reaction in one spot. Certainly,
I've had all go out and try a pre thest
thing that I did in one location that I got
a response on and go to another area and it
won't work. You know, it's it's oh yeah, it's exactly
where you're talking.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, Like I've had them come into wood knocks before,
whether they charge through the woods, it sounded like a
bulldozer was moving through the woods, or I've called to
them and they show up and just start screaming their
heads off, and you go to a completely different area
and try that and it just doesn't work. I've had
a lot of people call me more like a moron
for wood knocking, but I wouldn't be doing it if

(32:31):
it didn't work. I mean, I think that's why people call,
because you know they've had success with it. But yeah,
it kind of, I don't know, confuses you when you
go to new areas and you're like, why is this
not working anymore? Maybe they're not around, but I'm sure
they're around, but just I don't know. I feel like
they pick up on it. And there's just a lot
of weird theories people say, like once the Sasquatch know you,
like no matter where you go, all the sasquatch know you.

(32:53):
I don't know anything about that. But there's definitely a
lot of strangeness like associate with this topic. I'm sure
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean it's like I said, it's
it's pretty crazy. Like walking out in the woods and
having experiences pretty pretty regularly at this point, it's it's
wild to me because the UFO realm, I mean, if
you know what to do and you're in the right
area and you've done a lot of research, you can
kind of figure out certain things that work. Everything's changing

(33:27):
in that realm too. Technology plays a massive factor in
that things are cheaper. H people have more access to
like you know, and it's that they didn't have access
to ten years ago. And now you can essentially jump
on Amazon and you know, purchase whatever you wanted for

(33:47):
a discounted rate or you know, a killer deal. So
there's a lot changing in every realm. But yeah, I mean,
I definitely agree, like there's it. Not everything works everywhere,
and not every tactic is the most sound scientifically, but
if it works, it works, and you might as well

(34:08):
continue to do it.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Absolutely, And a lot of people listening, you know, they
might be like, oh, I live in Weldon Springs. I've
been here in my whole life, and I've never seen
a bigfoot, Like you're just going to see one standing
off of Interstate sixty four waving at you if you
go to Welden Springs. That's not how it works. And
I'm sure a lot of people out there who even
live in that area, like they're not doing the research
that you're doing. And you know, you can't really say

(34:32):
that someone's lying unless they're going out there like you
all the time and picking up on this type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, definitely. And for me, I mean, I'm I'm out
a lot. Like it's usually I would say on a
slow week, two times on a busy week, I could
go four days in a row, five days in a row.
And it's not weather dependent. It's not you know, if

(35:00):
it's raining and it's I'm not gonna like get washed
away in the river, I'm out there and that too.
I think that plays a big factor in it. Like
for me, it's just being out in the woods in general.
I'm just I mean, it's just part of work, you know,
like we're we're going everywhere and climbing and really remote

(35:26):
locations and you know, I mean it's just yeah, it's
I'm I try to be out as much as possible.
If I could only do research, I totally would, but
it's at this point it's not really feasible, But I
try to be there as much as I can and
to that area, like, I mean, it's huge. There's you know,

(35:47):
there's like the bush conversation conservation area. I mean it's massive.
There's there's I'm not sure how much acreage it is,
but it's a ton and it varies. It goes from
you know, like like not high plains, but plains, tall grass.

(36:07):
It's super thick wooded, especially if they haven't you know,
burned out underbrush. And then you can go down the
road and you're close to the river and you know,
you could walk towards the river one day and find
tracks probably pretty easily if the time is right, because
you know there's this theory of them following riverways. It's

(36:31):
to me, it's like the perfect storm research wise, it's
like close the the area changes quite a bit. It's
pretty hilly, it could be really flat. You know, there's
pockets of like ravines that potentially no one's walked in.
You know, like just because there's a trail there doesn't

(36:54):
mean that someone's set foot in every single area. And
it's very dense, like it's a pretty dense forest. It's not.
It's not. It's not easy to go in and get
through when you're in there. Deep.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, it's definitely a vast area, and I've gotten reports
from Wildwood, Missouri multiple times, Bowling Green, Hannibal Troy. I
mean Washington, Missouri, that whole section, the whole region of Missouri.
There's been reports. And that doesn't mean like if you
go there you're gonna experience Bigfoot activity, but judging from
the reports, they're definitely around. I think they're following the

(37:34):
Mississippi River, the Missouri River, and like you said, when
it floods, I think it pushes them further away from
the river and closer to the river when the waters
received because they're looking for food. So I feel like
those huge floods are definitely gonna move them back and forth,
and maybe that's why more people are having sightings in
these areas.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean that that river plays a
massive factor in everything. And to go back to like
the energy moving through the area, Like there's billions of
gallons of water running through every year, and it's it's
it doesn't stop, Like we could have a drought and

(38:13):
it would still be flowing. You know. I think that
in the UFO realm, people look at rivers a lot,
because I mean it's kind of a known thing. Like
it's not that they follow rivers, but the energy around
the area just changes like constantly, you know. But yeah,

(38:34):
You're definitely right. I mean they're gonna they need food,
they need to be able to survive. There's the area
is crazy thick with deer, even within deer season, Like
it's you know, you see them constantly. I'm pretty quiet,
so I run into them quite a bit and I
kind of like try to let everything happen. And I've

(38:57):
had I've had a couple instances where I've seen you know,
two or three deer and then they just bowlt and
I'm like, okay, that's kind of odd. The force gets
really quiet, you know, the deer are totally fine, and
then they look up and they look one direction and
within seconds they're running for their life, and You're like, okay,

(39:21):
what's going on. I think paying attention to the area
and the forest and wherever you're at is very beneficial too.
I feel like people don't do that, like they don't
watch the wildlife to try to pick up with on
what's going on around them. You know.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I completely agree. All right, LEVI let's run through
some more experiences that you've had and anything you can
think of.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, for sure. So I'll go over another one in
Weldon Spring. That's that's pretty quick, and then I'll dive
into some of the more recent ones in different areas
that have been really so the big one that sticks
out for me in Wellbne Springs. I took my my

(40:08):
mom and my son out there. My mom has a dog.
It's a Border colleage mixed with an Australian shepherd, so
highly intelligent, very good at hurting and paying attention to
what's going around. So we go out on kind of
a night hike, not crazy, low light, red lamps, a

(40:29):
white light occasionally, and the dog. It's the way it's
set up. As we're walking through the trail. I'm in
the front, my mom's in the middle, of my son's
on the on the end. He's almost eighteen, so he's
essentially adult. My mom's walking the dog and her dog
is on a leashuh. So we're walking out same section

(40:51):
where I was being paralleled and her dog starts coiling
around her with its leash like trying to get closer,
and it's watching. It's not focused on one area, which
was the thing that really made me start to pay attention.
The dog was nervous about full three sixty, you know,

(41:15):
it's not just focused on one spot, and it's not
just watching one spot. But her dog's visibly like very
very nervous, and it's walking essentially in a circle. She
kept having to step out of the leash because I
mean she was going to trip it or he was
going to trip her. And she was like, can you
take him? And I was like, yeah, that's fine, So

(41:37):
take the dog, hook him to my waist and he
starts doing the same thing we walked like ten or
fifteen feet and he's fine, and then he starts coiling me,
and he keeps getting tighter and tighter and tighter. And
this it's not late, this is like eight thirty at night,
and I'm like, man, this is really weird. This is

(41:58):
the same area where I ad like something that was
paralleling me. And then my son is like there's something
walking behind me. And he's like, what do we do?
And I was like, we just got to keep going.
And and this this tunnel of trees, the stretch is
pretty far, like it's it's maybe a half mile of

(42:20):
this enclosure. So I hand him a really bright light
white light and I'm like, hey, if you see something,
just point towards it. Take the lat and flash it.
So he kept hearing stuff. I kept hearing stuff. My
mom kept hearing stuff. Uh, the dog's still coiling, and

(42:42):
he starts to flash a couple areas because he's like,
there's like something going on back here. We didn't see anything,
but you know that that indicator with the dog was
absolutely massive. Prior to that, we had been at like

(43:02):
it's not the end of the trail, but it's a
point where it overlooks a bluff. I pulled out something
that I call a telephone. I'm not going to tell
people what the telephone is, but it it essentially makes
a sound that travels extremely far, resonates on multiple octave levels,

(43:27):
and has a pretty pretty well documented and noted frequency
that is used to call all kinds of stuff, anything weird.
You blast this frequency out and it's almost you'd be
pretty hard pressed to find a researcher that doesn't say, yeah,

(43:49):
that frequency works, and it works really well. So made
the telephone call immediately as a telephone call ins my son,
here's two clothes like large stones. I don't know if
it was like a jaw clack or a tongue claque,
you know, or just two stones definitely wasn't wood, and

(44:14):
it was definitely the same material in both hands striking
each other. So they heard that. I didn't hear it
because of what I was doing. It kind of it
throws your senses off a little bit. But yeah, so
they hear the clack and they're like, wow, that's crazy.
And then we start walking and the dogs starts coiling

(44:36):
and all of that. We get to the end of
the trail and the dog is totally fine, no issues, happy,
like tongue out, tail wagging, like looking around like nothing happened.
But for this stretch, very very very nervous, and the
area just kind of felt I mean, you know, people
talk about it like feeling heavy in the woods, Like
while all that was happening, it was very air just

(45:01):
felt dense, is the best way to describe it. So yeah,
that was like another pretty solid indicator that you know, uh,
there's something out there. The next one is hold on,
I'm gonna take a drink.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Sorry, oh, are You're fine?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
So the next the next thing that happened, and this
was a really this this one for me was the
nail and the coffin one. Missouri is absolutely packed with
everything crazy that you can imagine anything high strangeness. You
guys have here, and you've probably had it for ever.

(45:42):
So I had signed up for a BFR expedition. I
can't disclose the location. Uh, I will say, though, you
did a podcast with a gentleman that was a couple
maybe previous, very recently previous. His area that he was

(46:09):
in is not even ten miles from the area that
this BFRO expedition was in. Everybody, if you're listening, you
could put those two things together and probably be pretty
on point where this stuff happened. So go to this
BFRO expedition. First time I've ever been on an expedition

(46:30):
with other people. I researched very regularly, almost on my
own completely, So I go out. I was like, yeah,
this is cool. We'll see what happens. If nothing happens,
totally fine. I pulled into the area pretty late. I
think I got there at like ten PM and at
the lead, the head of the expedition, and kind of,

(46:54):
you know, just had short conversation they the general like
where how did you get into this? Where'd you come from?
Blah blah blah blah blah, And I was like, yeah,
I'm like really into the UFO thing like Bigfoot's really
new to me. I was like, I brought some stuff
that I want to try out here to see what happens,
to see if I can get any type of response.

(47:15):
Didn't take a bunch of tech, but had enough to
where I could pay attention to it and it was beneficial.
So the first night I said, hey, look, I'm going
to try this thing a little later tonight. I'm like,
essentially nocturnal. I totally despised being awake during the daytime.
I'd rather be out, Like four pm to four am

(47:37):
is like the best time in the world for me.
I've always just been like a night out, you know, essentially,
So I'm awake usually when everybody else is asleep. So
we're camping, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna try this thing
if you're cool with it, and I just told her.
I didn't. I didn't tell the rest of the group
that was there what I was doing because I didn't

(47:58):
want to. I didn't want to have any false information
come back experience wise. I didn't want someone knowing that
it was going to happen and then being like, oh, yeah,
I had this happen right then, you know. So already
already knocked one piece of skepticism out with not telling

(48:20):
anybody but the director. One one forty hits in the morning,
I go, you know, not super far from the camp.
I do the same thing this telephone call with some
other sound stuff. I did this call for this telephone
call for ten minutes, so like one to fifty I

(48:45):
start walking back to my to my tent, and like
one fifty five hits and I start hearing movement across
the road from where we were, and in the camp area.
It's private land, so I couldn't walk the fence and
go straight over, but I could hear it. And I

(49:07):
could hear movement. I was like, okay, that's wild. So
I lay down. I kind of relaxed. It had been
a long day. I drove pretty far and like two
thirty hits, and I hear really close, like within maybe
fifty yards of my camp. I hear two something two

(49:32):
animals just going absolutely crazy, like sounded like Banshee's, like
like the the gnarliest and closest fight from two animals
or whatever that I have ever heard in my entire life.
I popped out of my cover. I wasn't in a

(49:53):
tent I was in just you know, like a camping
tar with a cot right there. And there's a guy
that's also there for the expedition who's very close to
my tent, and he pops out too, and we both
like the entire area and we can't see anything. No no,
no cats, no, no raccoons, no gerbils like nothing like,

(50:18):
no armadillo, no deer. Absolutely can't see anything. So this
is very short after the initial call, completely just dumbfounded
to have no explanation whatsoever, but so incredibly loud that
later on we found out a recorder like two hundred
yards away had picked it up, but very very slightly

(50:40):
so really close contact with this sound right that happens,
can't see anything, go lay back down, and I get
woken up about four, I would say, like four fifteen,
four thirty. Maybe I was close to where the we'll

(51:02):
call it the mess hall, like where all the food
was set up. Everything's in coolers, everything's in you know,
locked in, and I'm hearing something like open a latch,
like you know, like a cooler. If you unclick a cooler,
there's like that audible like little snap of the cooler
latch opening. So I hear that, and it's on a hinge,

(51:26):
and I'm hearing something as as slowly as possible, so
it's not it's not a raccoon, it's not a possum.
It's like deliberately moving whatever this thing is that has
the latch and hinges on it as quietly as it
can to not disturb anyone around it. I look out,

(51:48):
I don't see anything. I don't turn the light on,
go back in, and I just listen, and there's a trailer.
They brought a trailer for their like a small enclosed trailer,
and it has the single this you know, the single handle,
pull it open, swing it out, and then open it.
And I hear this these two door hinges and this

(52:11):
this clack, and the door start to open. But it's
like super super quiet, So something very intelligent is essentially
trying to get in to see what's in the trailer,
but it's it knows that it's close quarters to multiple people,
and it's trying to be very very quiet. So that

(52:34):
goes on until like five in the morning. Finally I
fall asleep, and I got up twice and walked towards
the mess hall area. Couldn't see anything like absolutely nothing
in the area. Very crazy. Finally, I fall asleep at
like five point thirty. I wake up at like maybe
a couple hours later, like five hours later, and everyone

(52:57):
in camp is like, did you guys hear that stuff?
Last night? Two people found potential footprints kind of far away,
like a couple hundred yards from where the mess hall was,
but everybody had picked up on it, so multiple multiple
recordings of sounds, potential footprints. I didn't see the footprints,

(53:19):
but after learning about the two guys that got them there,
I would They're pretty serious. They're definitely credible, and they
definitely saw what they saw. The guy who's very close
to me that heard the same the animals fighting, he's like,
did you see anything? And I was like, I didn't
see a single thing, like absolutely nothing, nothing in the area.

(53:42):
I heard in the woods, you know, the sound and
then that. So I get up, I get like dressed
and everything. I go and I talked to the director
and I'm like, hey, I did this thing at like
one forty last night, and she's like, what happened? And
I was like, we had activity pretty much from like
one fifty until almost five am, like NonStop, like something's

(54:05):
going on. She's like, man, that's crazy. So that was
the first night. The second night, she's like, you and
I are going to go to an area. We're gonna
let these people sit set in like a circle with
a fire. They're going to hang out. You and I
are going to go over here. We're going to try
to listen. She's like, I want you to do whatever

(54:26):
you did last night. So the group is big. There's
quite a few people, like, oh, like maybe thirty people there.
There's a you know, an active duty police officer who's
a super killer tractor that was or tracker, sorry, not
a tractor, uh, superkiller tractor that was on this expedition.

(54:48):
Really cool guy, really knowledgeable and and very very intelligent.
A couple former Marines, you know, incredible, very credible witnesses,
and very very seasoned bigfoot researchers, way more seasoned than
I am. So one group goes out to try to
track and to try to find footprints and everything. And

(55:11):
that's that's I believe that's four people in that group
with the guy that's the tracker. There's the fire group.
They're sitting around the fire just hanging out, you know, listening,
and the director and I are are very close, but
far enough away to where we're not affecting anyone else.

(55:32):
So I'm like, hey, I think it's good. It's a
good time to go and try to do this. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna walk down the way and make
a phone call. We'll just call the phone call so
we don't tell anybody because we want to see we
don't want people falsifying information. So it's her and I.

(55:53):
We're the only two that know. There's multiple recorders within
the area. So I go out start doing my thing.
I have a pair of I highly suggest every single
person that has the ability to do this go by
a set of sound canceling headphones for for for use

(56:15):
with with shooting. I wear these things in the woods
all the time, every single day I'm out there. One
of the first things that goes on from my kit
are these headphones because they block all the unnecessary noise,
so you get sound that's filtered and pointed in directly
into your you know, your ears, and it's all you

(56:39):
don't get any of the unwanted so you can hear
if something's walking in the woods pretty far. They're they're
relatively cheap. Everybody can buy them. They're definitely worth it.
So I put the headphones on do the call, and
I immediately start hearing, you know, crunching like footsteps through
the woods. I take a break, and I'm like, I can't.

(57:02):
I can't do both. I can't make the call. I
can't wear the headphones and listen. So I go get
the director and her cousin. I believe, hopefully I'm right.
Her cousin, yeah. I'm like, hey, can can you two
one of you wear the headphones, the other person just
kind of pay attention to everything else. I'm gonna do
another phone call, so there may be fifty yards behind me.

(57:26):
I walk out. They walk behind me. Phone call happens,
and the director with the headphones on, I hear her
as soon as I'm done. I hear her go whoa
at like loud whoa, And she pulls the headphones off
and she's like, I just heard a like not a

(57:46):
boom like the sound boom, but she heard a voice
saying the word boom, but like very very low like boom.
So she gets freaked out. She hears that. She's like,
what's going on? Then we start hearing absolutely massive crashing
coming through the woods, but it's at a distance. So

(58:08):
at that same time, the group with the active duty
police officer, I think a former marine is in that
group as well, the tracer group, they come walking back
and they get two low growls, like really low growls,
very close to them. I'm standing there in between everybody,

(58:32):
and I'm hearing just like more and more movement through
the woods, so I blast out one more call before
everybody gets close. Everybody kind of comes together, and the
next thing I know, there's four or five, there's seven
of us standing there, and we're hearing like an absolute

(58:57):
bulldozer coming through the woods direct towards us, and we
notice that there's one very pointed and then there's two
smaller ones off to our left. So everybody kind of
walks towards the tree line, very nervously, walks towards the
tree line, and these two little armadillos come out from
the left, directly in front of the police officer. They

(59:18):
were pretty noisy, but they were running from something very
very scary, apparently because they were hauling. And then I'm
standing there. The director is very close to me or
behind us. Sorry, there's three other people that are very
close to me. I believe former marine also a hunter,
and a very experienced other hunter, and then another gentleman

(59:42):
that was there too that had I think he had
flear or night vision. So we hear this crashing, it's
coming towards us, it's less than ten feet away from
us in the tree line, and there's no heat signature,
there's nothing on night vision, there's nothing on flour. We're
like absolutely blasting the tree line with green light, red light,

(01:00:05):
white light, strobe, nothing and we just here. I mean
it's literally like it's like whatever it was came crashing
through because of the calls and stood just outside of
where we could see it, or was hiding in whatever
way whatever, you know, whether it's cloaked or whatever. But

(01:00:29):
we're hitting this thing with as much tech as possible
and we're not getting anything. No heat registration, you know,
no like nothing like the forest at this point is
so lit up by lights that it looks like daytime
and no one can see anything. So that was the

(01:00:49):
first thing that happened on that second night. So yeah,
I don't I don't know if you have questions about that.
There's another there's another set that goes with that, and
it gets even kind of crazier there. But I mean,
these we're at this point, we have seven people that
are standing there and they're all experiencing the same thing,
and no one can see what's right in front of us.

(01:01:10):
And we're not standing far like it's like we're right there.
If it wanted to reach out and come get us,
it could, you know. So it's pretty crazy. But yeah,
so that's that's that's what happened the first night. I
don't know, if you have questions or if you want.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
To hear the rest, Yeah, let's hear the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Okay. Yeah, so so that happens that everybody's kind of
freaked out at this point. They're like, what did you do?
How did this happen? And I'm like, I do this
all the time. It works in UFO stuff. It's just
kind of a weird thing. I have to be like
nondescript about it because I don't want people to do
the same thing. Not because I want to keep it

(01:01:49):
to myself selfishly, but there is a magical connection with
this thing that I call the telephone, and if it's
done wrong and you're not taught correctly and it's not
manufactured the right way, very very very bad things can happen.
You can, you can, you can bring some stuff in

(01:02:11):
that you don't want to have come in, and if
you don't know what you're doing, it's really really hard
to get rid of those things. Potentially life threat. I mean,
I've seen people that have done the stuff wrong and
mentally they're just vexed after that point. So that's yeah,
that's why I'm so vague on the telephone thing. So

(01:02:33):
that happens, everyone's really shook. Everybody's like to what is
going on. We've never had like and I'm not saying
it's all me. I think the area is very, very wild,
very crazy stuff happens there, pretty famous spot. But yeah,
I mean it's a close encounter that's right there and
no one can see anything, No electronics are picking it up.

(01:02:56):
So we have that happen. Nothing, the nothing walks away
from us. So we're like, okay, let's go check another spot.
As we're driving out, there's it's a gravel like corridor
you drive back out. It goes towards the river. There's
trees on the side and it looks like these trees

(01:03:16):
are broken at like eight feet, but they're not just
snapped they're twisted, which takes in a posable thumb. So
these these large branches, I would say at a minimum
two inches thick. Something grabbed these things at eight foot

(01:03:38):
and just twisted the crap out of them and essentially
twisted them off the tree, not crack and pulled off.
I've never seen that. Just absolutely crazy. No one had
an explanation, but it all happened while we were standing
there interacting with whatever's on the side of the tree line.

(01:03:58):
So we take note of that. We drive out to
another spot and the directors like, do you want to
do your thing again? We got there a little bit
before everybody else, and I'm like, yeah, so this, I'll
do that, So we do. I make another call. The
rest of the group rendezvous. So there was like seventeen

(01:04:19):
people that at this point I think they came out.
The group was like ten initially and then the others,
you know, they came in. So we're standing there, We're trying,
like you know, there's everybody's listening. People are recording with
all kinds I think, you know, a parabolic mic, a

(01:04:43):
couple just you know, handheld recorders, flear night vision, and
something else I can't remember. I do know. A Geiger
counter was out there, and a spectrum analyzer too. Actually,
so yeah, we're standing there, we're waiting, nothing happens, and
then out of nowhere, someone goes, what hey, what's this light.

(01:05:11):
I immediately perk up because I'm you know, I'm like, okay,
this is contact of some sort from something in the sky.
So we turn around. Everybody's standing there, and we proceed
to watch this light for a good hour, maybe an
hour and a half. And this light is like I
would say, maybe one hundred feet off the ground, bright

(01:05:36):
enough to where it's noticeable, but it's white, and we're
watching it move up and down, left to right. It's
getting brighter, so like the the circle of light is
growing maybe to twelve inches visible to us, and then
shrinking back down to maybe the size of I don't know,

(01:05:58):
like a an apple, right, and we're trying to We're
staring at it pretty regularly, like everybody's looking at it.
We're like, what's going on? We're watching this thing and
it's just moving, but it's tracking left and right, and
it's tracking in and out and up and down. So
I'm like, Okay, my debunking brain or my skeptic brain goes,

(01:06:22):
it's a light in the trees on the hill, but
that's farther back and there's a you know, I thought
maybe there's a stationary light on a pole and the
trees are causing that effect. So I'm like, we need
to hit it with something. I was like, somebody should
shine a light at it. So one of the guys
has a spotlight. He spotlights the light. The light reacts

(01:06:47):
so the light shrinks down, the small moves away from
the light. He turns light his light off, and the
light in the sky moves back over. So at that
point I'm like, okay, this is something intelligent reacting. It's
time to pay attention and investigate further. So we the

(01:07:09):
group stayed there. We hit it with two green lasers,
which caused a reaction. We hit it with another floodlight,
which caused a reaction, and then we hit it with
a very very bright spotlight from a vehicle, which caused
a reaction. So for me, I'm like, we need to
just go see this thing. Everybody's like, no, don't go

(01:07:32):
see it's that's too weird, Like it's not a good idea.
And one of the very very serious seasoned and very
very credible researchers. Goes, we got to walk towards this thing,
and I'm like, cool, yeah, let's go. So him and
I walk in this field and we walk I would

(01:07:53):
say a football field away, not super far, but enough
to where we get close to it. We eventually hit
a fence. This We're walking through a field. The grass
is as tall as we are, and we get up
and we see this fence and this light is just
right above these trees, and I'm like, let's hit it

(01:08:13):
with the light. So he pops his floodlight on it,
same thing, it reacts. I hit it with a laser,
same exact thing. As we're walking out, another group had
pulled out to go try to find a source. So
like three or four people went in a truck to
try to find the source of a light. Absolutely no source.
They drove. I mean they were gone for a good

(01:08:36):
half hour trying to find this thing. Couldn't find it,
absolutely nothing. So at this point, I mean, we're basically
just standing there for an hour and some change watching
what I would call, you know, in current terms, a UAP.
It's not an ord because it's it's intelligent and it's

(01:08:56):
dodging whatever we're trying to interact with it, it with
and it's moving all over. So at that point, everybody's like,
this is crazy. This UFI UFO guy comes and we have,
you know, all this weird stuff happened, pretty regular stuff
for me. So we go back to camp, and then

(01:09:19):
that night in camp is absolutely horrible for me. I
got I don't I don't know what it is. I
don't get nervous. I'm I'm pretty calm, I don't spook easily,
just from all the stuff I've experienced. But getting back
to camp that night was like being bombarded with the

(01:09:43):
worst and irrational, most irrational fear that I've ever felt
my entire life. Just absolutely terrified for no reason. So
I'm laying in the camp and I'm like, I can't
I can't sleep, there's no sleep, Like it's not happening.
I'm starting to hear stuff again in the woods pretty

(01:10:03):
large at this point that I had the same area
that I had heard stuff the previous night, and I'm
just like absolutely terrified, like absolutely terrified, so so scared
that I turned on a magnetic white light and pointed
it directly at the woods because I was convinced that

(01:10:26):
something was over there and just you know, like bombarding
me with whatever to cause me to be irrationally scared.
I got hit by a car on a bicycle, was
not scared at all, was like, oh, yeah, this is happening,
totally fine. Basically essentially almost died and was less scared

(01:10:48):
during that thing than I was. Literally sitting in a
camp with thirty people very close quarters intents or campers,
and I'm just like losing my mind terrified. So I
don't sleep all night. I hear movement NonStop. I'm watching
my electronic stuff that I had and getting crazy measurements,

(01:11:10):
very odd like electromagnetic field stuff that I can't pin down.
One of the instruments I used. I reached out to
the manufacturer and was like, hey, I'm getting readings here.
What can you explain or do you have an idea?
And very quickly they were like, we have no clue.

(01:11:31):
That should not happen. You should not be able to
pick up stuff that low, so you know, tangible like recorded,
very odd electronic interference and just totally terrified, crazy, terrified.
It was probably one of the worst nights I've ever
had in my entire life. And all of this is

(01:11:51):
in within you know, like a twenty four hour window.
So yeah, that was that's where that night ended. And
that was kind of like the biggest one. That was
a really really massive eye opener for me in the
Bigfoot realm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Yeah, that is terrifying. So you feel like the source
of the light caused this terror.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
No that I during during the time that we were
watching the light totally fine, like no fear whatsoever. It
was only as soon as we got back to the camp.
So like, and this is a good hour hour and
a half after we got back to the camp. I

(01:12:37):
and I keep I keep hearing this thing infrasound. I
don't That's the only explanation I have. I have no
way to prove it. It's nearly impossible to measure personally. Some
of the stuff that I took measurement wise electronically was
like I said, it was super odd. So my thought
is maybe I just got blasted with infrasound just from

(01:13:03):
causing like whatever in the area to be you know,
just like that. I think I'll say this, and it's
gonna sound dumb, but I messed with them, so they
messed with me. So I did my phone call thing.
I you know, did all that stuff, and they're like,
this dude is coming in. We don't know who it is.
I'm not local to the area. He's causing its cause

(01:13:26):
and effect. You go out, you mess with something, it
ticks them off, makes them mad, they're gonna mess with you.
So my only explanation is that that sheer terror had
to be infrasound because I could there was nothing like
I couldn't see anything, like no animals around, like making

(01:13:47):
me uncomfortable or whatever, you know, just like this total
feeling of dread, like absolute horror and dread all night long.
I think that I think that day I went, I
finally fell asleep at like seven am when the sun
was coming up, and I only slept like two and
a half hours. I think it was crazy, and I

(01:14:07):
have no explanation. The director of the expedition was like,
we've never had anything like this happened. We don't even
know how to categorize it. Everyone else there was like,
howd all this stuff happened? Like I'm getting bombarded because
I'm like the UFO guy who's supposed to have the
explanation of that stuff. So, you know, I tried to

(01:14:30):
like share some theories or ideas, but a lot of
the stuff I could not explain. And everybody, i mean
almost everyone in the in the expedition experienced it some
way or another. So yeah, that was That was the
NFROO expedition number one. I talked to the director of

(01:14:54):
that expedition pretty regularly. We we kind of clicked, like
she's like, you're you're in the same mindset and able
to pick up on some stuff. You've got to keep
me posted. We got to stay in contact, so you know, yeah,
so that was that was the first one. Definitely the

(01:15:16):
wildest experience I've had on solely a bigfoot expedition. Had
some other really crazy non bigfoot stuff happened in Missouri
in a couple other locations, but you know, the focus
here is is the bigfoot activity. But earlier I kind
of mentioned that I think everything's intertwined. I think, you know,

(01:15:41):
the the whatever, the source of the light and whatever,
the source of the sound crashing through the woods was
have to be connected in one way. Some somehow they're connected,
whether it's you know, a bigfoot and some aliens or
the whole thing is bigfoot. It like there's there's no

(01:16:03):
way that it wouldn't those two things wouldn't match up,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yeah, absolutely, And that's what I've heard from a lot
of people, including researchers, that these creatures can produce infrasound
and project fear onto their prey. And that kind of
sounds like what happened to you that night, Like possibly
you tick them off and they were letting you feel
the effects of their anger.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Yeah, it was. It was wild. I came back to
Welden Springs, I say, I would say five or six
days later. I have to check my my records, and
you know, went into the same area that I'm researching
different entrants. Before I had left for that trip, I

(01:16:53):
had found a deer skull on on a tree in
a field. There's no there's no human footprints in this area.
There's no reason anyone would walk in this area. So
before I went on that trip, I found the skull bush.
It's essentially a four foot tall branch shoved in the

(01:17:17):
ground and then the skull is completely clean. The branch
goes through the mandible, the lower portion of the jaw,
and then out the out an eye socket. I had
never walked into this area walk in see that was like, okay,
this is crazy. Walked into the woods. This was the

(01:17:39):
first time I found a tree structure. I can send
you these photos too if if you want to put
them anywhere or just look at them for yourself. So
I found this tree structure and this skull and potentially
a nesting area, like I think like two days before
I went on that expedition. When I came back, I

(01:18:00):
went back to the same area in Weldon Springs to
try to find the skull and the tree structure. Could
not find it totally, like totally, I have no clue
where it went. Can't like was in the general location
marked on maps. Can't find it. I you know, I

(01:18:22):
plotted awaypoint, can't find it. But I did walk across
trying to get to where I thought this was. I
walked across the series of bones, three bones, so I
would say they had to be legg I'm assuming that.

(01:18:45):
To me, they looked like a short femur, maybe like
twelve to fourteen inches long, and there's three of them,
and there's they're stacked in a straight line, but kind
of buried, like covered in leaves, not buried. And then
I notice I'm looking around. I'm like, wow, this is
weird trying to find that location with this tree structure

(01:19:07):
that I that I had seen previously, and I'm like,
why are these bones here? This is super crazy. This
is like the same vicinity as the tree structure, the
potential nest, and this this deer skull. And as I'm
looking around, I see two deer vertebrae with and they're
on two separate small trees, but they're the the tree

(01:19:31):
is laced through the spinal cavity, so where the spinal
cord runs, and there's branches that are growing out below
and above where these bone, these these vertebrae are are
laced on the on the trees, and there's two of
them I would say four feet apart. I have a

(01:19:53):
video of all of it, and they're in very close
proximity to these these other bones that are lined up
in a straight line. So I found that and took video,
sent some of the stuff off. Had had quite a
few hunters looked at it. They said they've never seen that.
Had some contact with some people at a university that said,

(01:20:15):
the odds of all those bones being stacked and laid
like that and lace through the spinal cord is like
like mathematically impossible, Like the likelihood of that happening is
like one in one hundred million. It's a lot. It's
it's like highly highly not possible to happen in a

(01:20:40):
natural occurrence. So I find the bones, I take photos,
I take videos. I'll send these to you if you want.
And then I start to walk away to keep trying
to find this original tree structure, and I just get
hit with the same fear, like out of nowhere, absolutely
just black did with this fear so much that I

(01:21:04):
had to start get like making my way out of
this area, which is not an easy hike. I had,
you know, I wasn't dehydrated, I had eaten correctly, I
had a ton of water with me. I have earphones on,
so I'm listening to everything. There's no no weird sounds

(01:21:25):
that I can hear, but the same thing. I'm just
getting like absolutely smoked with this this irrational fear. I
finally make my way out of this ravine into a
flat field, and I immediately just get sick, like like
physically sick, like throwing up, laying on the ground trying.
I feel like I'm essentially going to die in this

(01:21:47):
one spot, so I throw up. Sorry if it's graphic,
I throw up. I drink some water. I'm trying to
like regain strength to walk back to my which is
like a good forty minutes walk, and uh, like you know,
a bit of time goes by. I finally get up,

(01:22:09):
I start walking, and the whole time I'm walking back
to the truck, I'm just feeling this like something's right there,
like something's following me. I had I always take a
go pro with me, and I try to do like
the the rear facing camera to see if anything's popping out.
I'm recording sound all of this stuff. Nothing is picked

(01:22:30):
up on any type of sound recording or any video.
I took photos the whole entire time. No photos like
produced anything odd. Initially I haven't deep dived into like
you know, trying to look at them really really thoroughly.
But nothing, but just same thing, like super scared, like

(01:22:54):
physically sick, throwing up. And then as I'm going back
to my car, just terrified. I get in my car,
turn the car on, get all my stuff off, get out,
put it in my truck bed, and then jump back
in my car. Totally fine, like nothing happened. Absolutely nothing happened,
and I just I just can't at this point, I've

(01:23:16):
never had anything like that happened in the UFO realm
like I've seen. I've seen stuff really really close what
people would consider structured craft, and I'm not scared, but
I'm just like getting annihilated recently with some sort of
like very serious infra sound or something.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Yeah, that's that's terrifying. That sounds like what was going
on there, There was infrasound taking place, and yeah, I
mean I feel like they can completely stun an individual
and cause this imments fear. What else has taken place?
Do you have any other experiences?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Uh? Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's just continuously growing.
At this point, I started to do still Weldon Springs area,
started to like kind of look in some different areas
around there, finding a lot of really really odd what
people consider tree structures. I'm just from you know, trying

(01:24:28):
to research like UFO stuff, like I learned how to
determine whether or not something's like human manipulation or hoaxing
finding these tree structures in the area that they're at
the areas because it's multiple At this point, the likelihood

(01:24:48):
of them being put there or made by a human
in an effort to hoax is very low, not gonna happen.
So finding a ton of tree structures. I started doing,
like the kind of sit and wait thing. In some

(01:25:10):
areas I've I've had multiple instances of something whistling at me,
and always after dark and always within I would say
fifty yards, can't ever find anything, don't see anything. I

(01:25:30):
had what I thought were two partial footprints, but now
I'm kind of I don't know, I can't tell. They
were very degraded, so you know, it's hard to it's
hard to determine those. But yeah, I mean, like it's
to the point now where like I'm going to the
woods and almost every single time, I'm finding either a

(01:25:52):
new tree structure, an odd set of bones set up
in a really crazy way, and the likelihood of all
of those being like naturally taking place or done via nature,
Like it's just not possible. You're not finding I've talked

(01:26:13):
to so many hunters that are like, we've never seen
a two deer vertebrae laced through the spinal cord on
a tree with branches growing below and above. Yeah, I
mean it's just non stop. At this point, I just
went to a new area that's still close to Weldon Springs,

(01:26:34):
but it's there's there's an island that's very close right
there that is a nature preserve, and there was a causeway.
It's surrounded by a river, obviously because it's an island,
but there was a causeway. The causeway was destroyed like
two years ago by I want to say, the conservation.

(01:27:01):
I can't remember who destroyed it, whether it was the
conservation club or the state. But this I've I've taken
pretty substantial measurements electronically out there of some different stuff,
and I'm getting the same readings that I'm getting in
other locations that you know, people are having like bigfoot
sightings in or contact or or hearing or finding footprints,

(01:27:25):
you know, hearing sounds at this at this location near
Weldon Springs, I tried to make it across. The River's
just too high. It's absolutely mental to try to do that.
It's so dangerous. The only way to do it would
be if the river's really low. But there's another smaller island.

(01:27:46):
I started to walk what I thought was like a
state made like footpath totally not turned into you know,
triangle tree tree structures that look like they're pointing towards
this other small island. Just really crazy weird stuff with

(01:28:06):
like structures in that area. The whistling too. Every time
I get whistled at, these structures are in the vicinity
I would say, within twenty yards of where I'm getting
whistled at from so very close proximity. I don't whistle back.

(01:28:28):
I will absolutely will not whistle or clap or sing
in the woods in any way whatsoever. All of those
things have very scary things connected to them. People do
it all the time in the woods, and it blows
my mind just reading Native American tales of what happens

(01:28:51):
when you clap in a field or whistle in the
woods and or sing in the woods and what comes up. Yeah,
So it's it's NonStop. I mean, I'm seeing like more
and more lights in the sky around Weldon Springs. I
have I have some stuff out there that I've used

(01:29:12):
to measure measure, like seismic activity, picking up like crazy
crazy readings that are above five hundred pounds but under
two thousand pounds. There's nothing out there that weighs that
much that should make that vibration. Yeah, just it's NonStop,

(01:29:33):
like and it's it's to the point now where I
can't do I can't research the whole entire area alone
and impact something like, you know, a definitive like timeline
of like what's going on out there, because the area
is just absolutely huge. So now it's to the point
where I'm like, I need somebody to come out there
with me because I can't pay attention to everything. But yeah,

(01:29:57):
I mean, it just keeps getting crazier and crazier seeing
stuff like it happened, starting to pop up from reports
of other people across the river too in Illinois. Kahokia
Heights is out there. I'm sorry if I butchered that
name to someone that's listening, but I mean people are
having you know, contact with with UAPs with potential et

(01:30:22):
out there. And then I just I just heard the
other day that a guy had seen too bigfoot on
walking through his cornfield, like walking the line of his
cornfield and then into the cornfield he watched. He said,
large and small, so maybe a juvenile was there, you know.

(01:30:44):
So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
All right. I appreciate you for sharing that with me,
and yeah, it sounds like there's a lot of stuff
going on there. As far as the whistles, hearing things
moving around the world, the infrasound in the boneyard, those
are very interesting things. You've also found tree structures. What
kind of structures have you found off of the Missouri River.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
So the first one that I found was kind of
kind of it's not low, or it's not low, but
it's not really high, so the top of it was
like waist high. But essentially it's it looks like an
X leaned up against a tree, and then there's a
crossbar that runs through the X horizontally, and then it's

(01:31:35):
surrounded by other branches around it that are they're not round,
but that almost looks like they found curved to try
to make some sort of symbol. I've tried to research
and see if it's come up anywhere else. I couldn't
find anything. It's really hard to explain without looking at

(01:31:56):
the photo or looking at the structure. That was the
first one I found. The next one I found was
a couple hundred yards away from that, and it essentially
was a bush on the left and a bush on
the right of vines that were pretty tall, like six

(01:32:17):
feet tall, and then about three feet off the ground,
there's three vines that run to both sets of bushes,
but they're almost braided. They're not twisted like vines grow naturally.
They're like interwoven with each other. And it sits about

(01:32:38):
three feet off the ground. And I tried to determine
whether or not, you know, it was either a dead
fall or be the vines had grown across the ground.
I initially thought that maybe that was the case, but
I went back another day and looked, and you can

(01:33:00):
see in the ground where those two bushes were dragged
into their locations, so they're not they didn't grow there,
they were moved there. And that's that span of however
far apart it was, I would say like ten feet
with the you know, the the woven strip that's like

(01:33:25):
three feet off the ground, like something physically put those
there and wove that stuff together. I've found like uh
arched trees where the tip is stuck into the ground
and there's it's been placed there so that you know,

(01:33:45):
like that people say the curve, it almost looks like
a an arch that you would walk under. I found
two of those, and there's those those tips have been
shoved in for quite a while. There's moss growing around them.
You know, the dirt's not disturbed. I found a spot
that looked to me, it looks like a nesting area,

(01:34:08):
so a ton of bushes, like it looks like something
took like as many large ferns that they could find.
I'm not sure if it's ferns. That's we're just gonna
call it that because I don't know what the actual
bush is. But dragged into a location and then made

(01:34:29):
like a bowl, and then a tree is pushed over
into it to lead into it. So you would like
walk up this tree and get in this bowl laid down,
and you wouldn't be seen. It just looks like a
giant bush, right. But when you're on the tree, you
stand at the top and you can see like this

(01:34:50):
dish of of it looks like something's laid in there.
I haven't gotten in. I'm kind of hesitant to do
that because I don't want to disturb like living quarters
for them. If that's what it is, I feel like
that would just be a terrible plan. But yeah, and
then you know everything from like the typical like massive

(01:35:13):
branches pulled down and shoved into other trees to create
like a lean to. But these these things are way
too big to be pulled by a human. And they're
not cut. There's there's no you know, there's no axe marks,
there's no saw marks. They're they're snapped at the bottom

(01:35:34):
and they're dragged to the location. I also found some
stuff that it almost looks like it's directional, like a
map to an extent, So logs or large branches that
have been dragged from other areas and then lined up

(01:35:54):
in a way that they point towards a or they
point towards a river, the river, or they point towards
the entrance where I found the skull, the deer skull
shoved on the on the tree. Yeah, and I mean
it's it's every time I go out, it's it's more

(01:36:15):
and more stuff. And if you want, like I said,
I can send you photos of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Yeah, that'd be great and I'd love to check them out. Okay,
well we're running out of time, and I just have
one more question. What are your plans for the future
with your ongoing research.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Uh, never ending constant research. I personally, I mean I
love being out there. It's not just it's not just
you know, the mystery, it's everything that's involved. I'm trying
to build a a practical field guide to to Bigfoot

(01:36:58):
encryptied research that uses is like easily accessible technology. It's
got I'm gonna release it in book form at some point.
It won't be anything crazy, just a manual to try
to help like new researchers get the get the materials
they need to record and collect data. But also you know,

(01:37:20):
some tactics that I've used that I believe can work
in other places. So, you know, just boots on the
ground as much as I possibly can in more areas.
I'm supposed to go to LBL in a couple of months,
some stuff in Oklahoma, some stuff in Arkansas, more more

(01:37:41):
and more in Missouri. Yeah, just you know, just I
got to keep going at this point. If I stop,
it would be ridiculous because the evidence is is so
high that it's obviously you know, requires extensive research and
data collection. It'd be really cool too. I'm you know,

(01:38:04):
most people are like, don't go to my area. This
is my area. If people are interested and they want
to go, I'm totally fine with taking people. It takes
some of the burden of trying to you know, collect
all the data and collect all the instances that happen.
And I'm only one person. You know, if I'm constantly
having continuous activities show up and it's just me, people

(01:38:29):
are going to be like, this is not real. I'd
like to you know, share, share what I found, share
my areas, and collaborate and be like, hey, look, three
heads are better than one. If you want to come out,
let me know. I will vet you though. If if
someone hits me up and they're like, oh, yeah, I
do this research, I'm I'm a pretty good judge of character.

(01:38:49):
If I don't think you're worthy or I think you're
going to hoax, I will definitely call you on it,
and I will not tell you exact locations. Not to
be mean, but I'm just trying to do this scientifically,
just NonStop research. That's like my goal from this point.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Oh yeah, I definitely understand that, and that's the last
thing you want to be involved with is a hoax.
Or I've been out with people before where like every
squirrel and every bird it's like oh oh Bigfoot, Bigfoot,
and I'm like, oh, then I just had like just
cut off communication because it was like these people are
not serious about bigfoot research.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Uh yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate when that happens. My other
thing too is, you know, I want to bring I
want to use tech that no one else is using.
I'm trying to formulate, like you know, substantial ways that
you could go out and collect data that that is
not a thing that everyone's doing. Like I said earlier,

(01:39:45):
with technology being so easily accessible, like I mean seismic stuff,
the goal is to plant seismic more. I have some
seismic stuff out there currently, some more seismic stuff. I
have a lot of plans for cameras. You know that
ir they say infrared, they can read it. I mean

(01:40:05):
it's a possibility. I think it more comes down to,
you know, the same thing as bears. Bears smell the
lithium and batteries and they want to eat the battery.
I think, I don't think it's a matter of reading
IR light. I think it's more based off of something
that that you know, tips them off smell wise. So
the goal is to I've got a couple of camera

(01:40:27):
setups and I'm trying to work out and really right
now trying to figure out a way to do isolated
remote research, but not there personally, so setting up grids,
setting up recording, you know apparatuses that record three sixty
and I this stuff for me is like what can

(01:40:50):
I build to make this to help prove this theory
or the possibility of these things? Like I want to
hit it with as much scientific background and data that
I can and make it so hard for people to
dispute it, just solely based off the results, you know,
non eyewitness, not physical, not not for me, but electronically,

(01:41:13):
Like that's what's happening in the UFO realm right now,
it needs to happen in the Bigfoot realm. I could
do a whole entire episode of you know, tech stuff
that people do currently that you can debunk easily because
just because you're sending it to one hundred people or
twenty people, you know, my goal if I'm going to

(01:41:33):
make an impact too, Like I want people to be
like this guy thought about it from every realm, every way,
every angle. We can't debunk this because he has so
much data. Like that's what I just want to like
do that and share that info and the ideas with
other people and then see what really really happens. Because

(01:41:54):
I think we're finally in a realm now where you
can take one thousand dollars or less and by the
right tech and record stuff that people have never recorded
in their lives or never thought they would be able to.
You know, That's like my goal currently.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Yeah, And I like the outside of the box thinking
and just using things that have always been right underneath
our noses. And like you said, technology is constantly improving,
and I think that's the best way to go about it.
And I'm kind of a mix of the two. Like
I'm trying to find, yeah, like technology that people have
already been using, but I'm trying to locate companies that

(01:42:34):
have like the best gear possible, whether it's thermal devices, drones,
audio recorders, And I'm just using things that people have
already done and have like had results with, but just
trying to find the best absolute device to use in
this current time. And Yeah, I think it was very
intelligent of you to use the approach of like blasting

(01:42:58):
frequencies to provoke a response, and I thought that was
pretty interesting. I'm not gonna ask you on air what
you're using, but maybe you can tell me off air
if we ever meet up and do some research. I'd
like to know what it is. I feel like it's
something paranormal because you said it can be like really
dangerous to use what you call a telephone, and I'm
not sure where it is, but yeah, I'm definitely interested.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Yeah. Yeah. So my thing with that is, like like
I said, like, I don't want to put it out
there what it is. If you're smart, you can figure
it out, but I highly suggest that people don't do it,
because I mean, I've had stuff show up in my
house doing it wrong one time, and it took a
lot to get whatever showed up out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
You know, if I guess that, will you tell me
on the podcast? I get one guess?

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Yeah, you get one guess all right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
An ASTech death whistle.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
That's not it?

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Okay, I will that's that's not it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
I will say this though, this is the third or
fourth time that I've heard that suggestion or that thought,
and I'm not going to discredit anybody that's using it.
I'm not trying to like be mean. But all you
gotta do is listen to the name of that instrument,
and that tells you everything that you need to know

(01:44:15):
and why you need to stay away from it. I
gotta go on. I know we're cutting off on time here,
but I gotta go on this small tangent. Just bear
with me. If something if something came from Native American, Aboriginal,
you know, Slavic, the Middle East, If something came from

(01:44:37):
those areas and it was developed by a tribe of
people or a religious sect or a cult, whatever it is,
if you are not trained, you should not use that stuff.
People use this stuff so willingly. And I mean, let's
just take that of the Aztec death whistle. If the

(01:44:57):
Aztecs made this and they developed it for a reason,
it was developed for a pointed reason. They had that
instrument to do something in no way whatsoever. Unless you
know the history, were a taught, be given all the
info and see trained on how to use those things,

(01:45:19):
you should not do it. That's the one thing that
drives me crazy. It's like, why would you take something
that came from an ancient culture that you have no
clue what it can potentially conjure up? And this also
goes in my magic background as well. I've seen instrumentation
and I've seen things that even down to a wand
that you can use and conjure or bring forth or contact,

(01:45:44):
like people need to stop taking. Like for me, I
won't use anything that's that's Native American solely because it's
not part of my culture. I'm appropriating. If I were
to do that, I would be appropriating something that I
don't understand and it could be detrimental. And it blows

(01:46:04):
my mind that people do that stuff without knowing what
they're actually doing. I mean, like, I've heard the Aztec
death whistle on another expedition and I was mind blown
that we didn't just get absolutely haunted. I think. I
think that's one of the biggest things that that's the
only mistake that I like will actively argue with people on.

(01:46:27):
It's like, why would you use instruments that you have
no clue what they were developed for or why they're used,
or if they were used in ceremony and what happens
outside of ceremony. Like I talked about not whistling, not singing,
not clapping in the woods. It's all based off of
Native American war. Why I will not do those things?

(01:46:47):
And I've had people from different tribes tell me why,
and I was like, oh God, I got to stop,
Like you know, it's it's just scary, like that's a
good guess, but that's not it. And the only reason
I use it is because I was taught correctly. The
first one that I got was given to me by
tribes members will say that, and I went through like

(01:47:10):
five years of trying to learn how to do this
thing correctly before I even implemented it into the field.
So yeah, I'll tell you what it is off air.
I just asked that, you know, you keep it under wraps.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Oh yeah, I absolutely will, And I completely understand because
people can definitely open up doorways and bring harm into
their life. And yeah, even when you tell me, I'm
not going to try it because I don't even want
to risk the chance. And it's definitely dangerous playing around
with something that you don't understand. And yeah, that's scary
to fell Youah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
It gets It's like you had talked earlier about once
you see bigfoot, you know they're easy to see. I
can say the same thing about some of the other
realms that I've experienced, and there's some very scary stuff
that no one thinks about that I mean honestly, like
everything's interconnected, it's all intertwined, like it's all accessible. If

(01:48:11):
you know the right information and you do the right things,
but not all those things are things that you want
to do, and not all those things or things that
you want to experience. Yeah, I mean, I you know,
like I said, I could do another episode of Tech.
I could also do another episode of how much absolutely
wild stuff I've seen that people would say that's from

(01:48:33):
a movie, but we have data to prove it. Like
all the stuff I'm saying too is I can back
it up, like I can back it up with data,
I can back it up with multiple instruments, and I
can at this point like I'm pretty confident, like I
can show you people anyone ways to do things and
they'll all have the same experience or very close to

(01:48:55):
the same experiences. The UFO realm is wild. I wish
I really hope that the Bigfoot realm. I hope people
start looking more towards that from the Bigfoot realm, because
there's a lot of crossover that I've found, even like sightings,
like sightings of people will see a UFO within from

(01:49:18):
that point, within twenty five mile radius, there's almost guaranteed
documented Bigfoot activity very very close within seven days. Most
of the time. I have logs of this too. I can.
I will gladly share all that info with anybody that's interested.
But it's not a bad thing to look in other realms,

(01:49:39):
the paranormal, like you should pull that stuff in, you know, scary,
But you've got to look at everything historically, and you've
got to look at different instances where one or two
things might line up, and who knows, that could be
the one or two things that click that you need
to go, oh, yeah, this happened because of this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah, I agree, And I mean there's definitely more connections
other than Okay, I'm experiencing UFOs here and I've had
bigfoot activity in the same area. But also like the
mind speak that people talk about, that's something that aliens
are reported to do, the cloaking, same thing, or balls
of light. There's a lot of things that kind of
line up with each other. And even the fact that

(01:50:23):
the government won't tell us about bigfoot, it's got to
be something more than just an unknown species if they're
completely keeping it hush hush. And there's also a lot
of books written about UFOs and bigfoots and bigfoot and aliens.
And I was really shocked because that was my conclusion
when I started doing research, like somehow this is connected

(01:50:43):
because I'm having bigfoot activity And the next day I
go out there to listen for bigfoot, I look up
and there's strange lights. It's like there's something going on here.
And it's the same way on the Skinwalker Ranch. Shows
like there's a lot more than just cryptid creatures or
paranormal activity. They're having like these strange like showing up,
strange lights, floating into the sky, all kinds of things,

(01:51:05):
like everything that people talk about that's an unexplained mystery
is taking place on the Skinwalker Ranch. And it's the
same way here in Missouri. It's the same phenomenon happening
all over the world. And I feel like it's certainly connected.
And you nailed it when you said when you were
talking about portals and like other dimensions. I think that

(01:51:25):
is what's going on. That's the big secret. That's one
of the things they're doing at like Roswell or at
CERN and CERN. I feel like they're playing with fire.
But who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, definitely are you aware of you mentioned
Skinwalker Ranch. You know there's a site in Missouri that
has more activity than Skinwalker right.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard of that. One of my friends
went there and apparently like they're seeing this big white
dog or it almost looks like a polar bear. I
think it's by Springs. They're not allowed to say where
it's at, but it's somewhere down that way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'll put it out there. I'm not
going to tell the spot, but if you're smart and
you backtrack and you know how to do research, you
can find it. So this spot's called Marley Woods. I've
been and it is absolutely gnarly. I can't explain it
any other way I had. I had three instances. Instances
happened not directly on the property, but very close and

(01:52:24):
adjacent to the property. In one night, I saw three
things that I absolutely cannot explain and have have no
clue how it could possibly be hoaxed. I And I'll
put this out there too, because people might listen and
be like, this guy's crazy or he does drugs or whatever.

(01:52:44):
I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't take I
highly I don't take any drugs. I highly dislike taking
even thailand all or Advil for a headache. There's no
substance people say that I hear all the time like, oh,
this guy's seeing stuff because he's taking hallucinogens or whatever. Like,
I don't mess with that realm. I never have. I

(01:53:06):
have no reason to personal belief. And I've seen stuff
that I've heard people explain that they've seen on you know,
hallucinogens or whatever. And I saw these things in real
time with other people, very credible witnesses. And you know,
there's no explanation. Marley Woods. The location is very, very

(01:53:30):
hidden for a very good reason. There's a lot of
really scary stuff that happens there. But if you're smart
and you don't break the law, that's the biggest thing.
Do not trespass on these people's land. You will spend
the night in jail or potentially worse. But you can
get really close. And I almost guarantee if you drive
out there, you sit and hang out at the right time,

(01:53:53):
you will experience something. I had three of the craziest
experiences in my entire life less than four hours. I'll
tell I'll tell you the location off off off off
the call. But maybe maybe we can make a trip
out there and I can show you some of the areas.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
At some point Yeah, absolutely, that'd be awesome. And yeah,
that that's the place I was talking about, the Marley
Woods and supposedly there's a lot of stuff going on
out there, just like you mentioned. It's similar to Skinwalker Ranch,
but on another level. And it's here in Missouri. Have
you ever heard of Zombie Road. I think that's close
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yeah, yeah, I've I've heard of Zombie Road. I haven't been.
I want to go. Yeah. I mean, like I said earlier,
like Missouri is this it's super magical. It's there's a
lot of crazy stuff that goes on here there and
I don't I have no clue why, but you know,
I'll put this out there too. From the UFO realm

(01:54:53):
Marley Woods and Missouri has always been a very very
very studied area. Most people do not realize it, but
the mutual UFO network was started in Missouri. It was
it was headed here for years and years and years.
All the big names in ufology from you know, I

(01:55:14):
mean early early on, like like Project blue Book, massive
research done out here. All those files are are in Ohio. Uh.
Jacques Vallet, who's like the father of He's the guy
that said everything's connected. He's I mean he was in

(01:55:34):
close encounters of the third kind, like everybody that really matters.
Jack Parsons, who's another guy that's connected to you know, magic,
occult magic. He's most known for for rocketry. But I
mean he came here and he had a ton to
do with with, you know, all the all the UFO stuff.

(01:55:55):
John Keel, the Mothman prophecies like came through Missouri, has
spent time here. Ted Phillips like one of the most
notable uifology and like UFO researchers ever like here, like
all people. I'll say this time and time again, Missouri

(01:56:16):
has more than people know. And if you just go
outside and you know where to look, it's all right there.
And I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Yeah, absolutely, Missouri is a flyover state. And that's what
people on the West and East coast consider it, Like
it's just not a good place to live. There's nothing here.
And even in the small towns that I grew up
in in Missouri, like everyone graduates and they leave, they
go towards Saint Louis or just another state in general,
Like everyone gets out of here. And yeah, there's a

(01:56:45):
lot of stuff going on. And I've been trying to
tell people like there is a lot of Bigfoot in
UFO activity, and you know, people write you off, they
say you're crazy, and it's like, why is Miguel always
walking around in the woods. It's like, well, I'm out there,
That's why I'm experiencing the activity. And yeah, there's just
something deep going on here. And I was watching the

(01:57:06):
move On series on Hulu and there was an episode
in Saint James, Missouri where a UFO crashed and it
was recovered and it's like the next roswell. And also
in Cape Girardo, Missouri. So that's two crash sightings and
that's more than any other state that I've heard of.
And apparently there's a lot more, Like they've recovered a

(01:57:26):
lot of ships all across North America and in the
world in general. But yeah, that's a lot from Missouri
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Oh yeah, yeah. I mean the UFO flap of the
seventies here was like one of the one of the
most documented and craziest instances that happened, and it happened
for a long time. I mean Piedmont, Like you can
go to Piedmont and spend a couple of days and

(01:57:54):
talk to people there, and I mean they have crazy sightings.
People have seen stuff all over I think too. I
think currently we're not necessarily the term flap comes from youthology,
like it's a it's basically a timeline of really really
crazy events that are all packed in, you know, just

(01:58:15):
from this date to this date. I think with the
way that the world kind of is right now, I
think we're in a flap of a lot of different experiences.
And it's not just UFOs. That's why people are seeing
so many big foot people are seeing, I mean crazy cryptids.
People are seeing like super gnarly like dog men all

(01:58:39):
over the place. There's there's so much stuff that's happening,
and it's happening for a reason. You mentioned Cern, and
we could talk for hours about Cern there. There's definitely
you said they're they're playing with fire. They're playing with
much more than fire. It's a lot. But yeah, I
totally agree. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:59):
I feel like whatever they did in Egypt or in
the Greek culture, like they conjured up like humanoid creatures
or there was like human experiments back in the day.
People talk about the Nephelin, but I feel like with Cern,
it's like the same thing, but on a whole new level,
especially with all the new technology we have, so that

(01:59:19):
I feel like it's skyrocketed. Like this stuff's always been
around as far as like dog Man window Goes, skin Walkers, Bigfoot,
but now it's just like a whole new level completely.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
I'm not sure. People say, well, that's just because the
Internet and we're hearing more stories, but it's like, no,
I don't think so. I feel like it's intensifying.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
There's more people too, I mean, you know, like yeah,
like I have a super like people get turned off
by this, but I only pay attention to it, and
I'm only into it because of ufology. I have a
pretty deep understanding of like a cult magic and what
what people would consider like real magic, like not Hollywood,
not stage magic. And I mean in the UFO realm,

(02:00:06):
there's a lot of people that pay attention to it
because it does have a very massive effect. I mean
Jack Parsons and so scientology l Ron Hubbard, right, that
dude supposedly in in I think it was the fifties.
Jack Parsons l Ron Hubbard went to a location in

(02:00:28):
the desert towards the west Coast I believe in Nevada
and opened a portal and were unable to close it
with And this is all hearsay, This is all you know,
we'll call it a conspiracy. But in doing that, they
affected that entire area. That area pretty close to Skinwalker Ranch,

(02:00:51):
pretty pretty close to blind Frog Ranch, I believe, pretty
close to Area fifty one, like Lake Mead. All of
these areas are within a couple hundred miles of where
this supposed portal was opened by these two. El Aron
Hubbard went and did the whole scientology thing and got
so afraid of living on land that he moved to

(02:01:11):
the boat and lived on a boat until he died.
From what I understand, scientology, people out there, if I'm wrong, whatever,
it doesn't matter. But he moved off land for a reason.
You know, people don't understand it. But there's a lot
of stuff that overlaps from all these realms, and people
are very scared of looking into the occult magic realm

(02:01:33):
or to like the magical aspect of uphology or even
encryptid stuff. A lot of people like the negative thought
of like witches and wick in and like warlocks whatever. Like, Yeah,
there's definitely light and dark. You have to be really
careful on what you're doing. But I can you know,

(02:01:57):
I've seen crazy stuff have been at, you know, during
ritualistic magic that was not bad magic, was not dark,
magic was not satanic magic. And I can't explain it.
And it's used a lot and in higher places than
people I think really understand. I mean, people talk about

(02:02:19):
there's conspiracies about the government using magic for you know,
like mind control or to connect with aliens whatever. Like
I highly suggest that people look at everything from from
like a broad view and don't be scared. And I'll
say this, if you're afraid to look into magic because

(02:02:42):
you don't want the devil to get you, it doesn't
matter that you do. If the devil's going to get you,
he can get you. It does not matter. So it's
better to look at stuff with an open eye and
look at stuff without be skeptic, be cautious and be scared,
but maybe get stuff in a different way and try
to do research in both realms, because, like I said earlier,

(02:03:04):
you might find two things that intersect in that one
instance where those two things came together affected a timeline
very long. Missouri I think is a very good example
of that. There was a lot of stuff that happened
in the forties, fifties, and sixties here that was pretty crazy.

(02:03:26):
And I mean, we have a lot of UFO stuff,
we have a lot of dog Man we have some
crazy cryptid stuff that I've never heard from other places.
And you know, the bigfoot sightings and like experiences here,
they just seem to keep growing more and more and
more than some of the surrounding states, which is exciting.

(02:03:47):
But you know, who's to say it's not some guy
in his basement, or it's not some lady in the
woods that's trying to call on something that's bringing other
things in. There's a possibility for everything I do. You know,
people being afraid of that realm, just don't be afraid.
Don't say a prayer. You know, like everything affects everything.

(02:04:08):
And I think it's really important to have an open
mind when you're trying to do research in a realm
that's you know, cryptozoological or considered like a pseudoscience or
you know, in the paranormal. Just open your mind, be selective,
pay attention, be cautious, but be respectful, and try to

(02:04:28):
look at things from a different aspect, you might be
surprised what pops up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Yeah. Absolutely, So you feel like there's a connection with
like the occult magic and things like things of that nature,
with bigfoot UFOs and paranormal well obviously paranormal.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
I feel like I feel like I think it's all connected,
and I think certain people have the ability to access
different points from either occult magic or ritualistic magic or

(02:05:05):
you know, I mean even Catholicism and Christianity, Like there's
a lot of stuff that's very ritualistic, not in a
bad way there. I'll say this to you. My mom
was a youth minister for eighteen year in the Catholic Church.
I grew up as a Roman Catholic. I probably spent
more time in a church than any other kid I know.
And I always felt like there was something wild and

(02:05:26):
unseen going on, not negatively but spiritually or or you know,
something that I couldn't comprehend that was affecting the world
around me in a positive way and in that negative way.
I think everything's intertwined, and I think the only way
to really really unlock the door is to understand as

(02:05:50):
much of it as you can from every aspect and
be open and willing to have experiences that may seem
kind of scary and may seem like like I don't
want to deal with that, but I mean, let's be
real here, Like Bigfoot is essentially this like cryptic creature
that no one has any explanation on that could eat

(02:06:15):
you if it wanted to, but he probably doesn't want to.
Maybe he's just hanging out, you know, like you have
to look at all this stuff as one and stop
stop cutting it off from just because you don't believe
in something or something else. You know, it's all connected.
I think there's a lot of stuff going on, and
I do like to answer the question like directly, I

(02:06:38):
one hundred percent think that there are people or groups
of people that are able to bring in anything that
they can think of or anything that's possible. And I
also think that there are other groups of people or
individuals that can push those things out as well. There's
it just doesn't make sense to me that they're not connected.

(02:07:02):
Like blocking it off from one thing or another, it's
it's it's highly improbable, and it's highly highly disheartening to
think that to know that people don't consider everything when
considering one thing, you can't have a white walker or
a Wendingo or a skin walker or Bigfoot or dog

(02:07:25):
Man and not have the other from everything else, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
Yeah, absolutely, I completely agree with you. And yeah, I
mean people just have to remain open minded personally. I
don't know, diving into all that other stuff isn't for me,
but if it's for other people and they understand it
and they go into it willingly, that's completely different. So yeah, yeah,
something that came for sure. But yeah, Leeve, I I

(02:07:53):
think you did an excellent job today and I really
appreciate you for contacting me and sharing your experiences openly
here on the channel. And I'd definitely like to meet
with you in person and do some research.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm open anytime. You've got my
number now, you can give me a call whenever if
if anything too, if people have questions, like, I'm very
willing to you know, like send info or like share
thoughts or whatever, I can provide like my email if
that's cool. And I'm totally open to people contacting me.

(02:08:26):
I just want people to like, like do the research
and figure out where they want to be in that
realm and whatever's comfortable with them that's totally cool. If
I have stuff that I can share with people, one
hundred percent will and I think that needs to happen
across the board. Everybody needs to be willing to collaborate
and talk. And you may come from different backgrounds, you

(02:08:49):
may have different beliefs, but you're not going to figure
everything out on your own. It's better to have heads
than one, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Yeah, I completely agree with you, and be sure to
keep in touch, send any photos of the structures, and
if you have any questions, reach out, okay. And yeah,
if people want to contact you, I'm sure they can
ask in the comments and you'll be happy to ask
any answer any questions.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
Yeah, for sure, definitely, thanks again, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:20):
Yeah, thank you so much for your time. And if
you encounter anything else in the future, feel free to
reach out.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Okay, definitely, I will.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
I'll keep in touch, all right, You take care. Yeah, like,
see you later, pie, all right, LEVI thank you very
much for sharing your bigfoot encounters and experiences from the
show me state of Missouri, and I thought it was
very interesting to hear about your approach to the research.

(02:09:48):
And I think it's cool that you've had experiences by
the Missouri River because there's been a lot of reports
there from the past, a lot of ice sightings, and
for some reason, the miss Sissippi and the Missouri River
seem to be hotspots for Bigfoot activity, but all the
other waterways pour into the Mississippi, so it's just a

(02:10:10):
huge network of waterways and there's a lot of strange
activity connected with these areas. It's not just Bigfoot. And
I liked Levi's point of view on the activity as
far as it being multi dimensional or these things are
using portals. I think he's pretty dead on. A lot
of researchers are closed minded to that idea, but it

(02:10:30):
is what it is. We were all entitled to have
our own opinion. But yeah, I appreciate everyone for listening today.
Everyone support and until the next podcast, you guys be
safe out in the forest.
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