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September 2, 2025 94 mins
In this episode of Sasquatch Theory, Miguel sits down with Scott and Sheila, an adventurous couple from the North Georgia Mountains who have had multiple Sasquatch encounters. Sheila recalls her terrifying face-to-face experience with a towering cinnamon-colored Bigfoot near Clayton, Georgia, while Scott describes seeing a Sasquatch bolt through the forest before his very eyes.

Together, they now guide expeditions into the woods, where they and their guests have witnessed glowing orbs, chilling vocalizations, heavy footsteps, and Sasquatch caught on thermal devices. Their cabin has been slapped at night, motion lights triggered, and even greasy handprints left on their vehicles.

From peanut butter gifting to close calls with cryptids, to a film crew witnessing a Sasquatch run in front of their jeep, Scott and Sheila share why their success rate in finding activity is so high—and why they believe encountering Sasquatch is only the beginning.

📍 Based in the North Georgia Mountains, Scott and Sheila also guide fly fishing trips with their outfit, Squatch Fishing Outfitters.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. In this episode, we head
deep into the North Georgia Mountains, where Scott and Sheila
share their chilling encounters with sasquatch. From a towering cinnamon
colored creature swaying behind a tree to motion lights triggered
outside the remote cabin at night, their lives have been
forever change by the presence of these beans. With years

(00:26):
of experience guiding expeditions into the woods, they've uncovered fresh tracks,
glowing orbs, bone rattling roars, and greasy fingerprints left on
their vehicles. Tonight, Scott and Shila take us into the
heart of the Georgia Mountains and beyond, where encounters with
sasquatch lead to the mysterious world of other cryptids and
unknown creatures. I would really like to meet up with

(00:49):
Scott and Sheila in person, and if you guys are
listening to this podcast right now, let's make that happen.
I would very much like to meet you guys, and
I would be extremely grateful to go on an expedition
with you guys. And if you guys want to check
out their group, it's called Squatch Fishing Outfitters, and I
highly recommend that you do so. Scott and Sheila's encounters

(01:13):
and experiences are truly extraordinary. I learned so much after
speaking with Scott and Sheila, and it really opened up
my eyes to the different possibilities of doing research out
in the forest. When you dive too deep into the
supernatural rabbit hole, it can really discourage you and make
you feel like finding evidence is impossible. But I always

(01:34):
remind myself that Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin were able
to get clear footage of these creatures. If you enjoy
listening Sasquatch Theory, please like the video, subscribe to the
channel and comming down below, And if you have a
bigfoot encounter that you would like to share with me
here on the channel, please contact me sometime at Sasquatch
Theory at outlook dot com. All right, let's dive straight

(01:56):
into Scott and Shila's bigfoot encounters from the State of Georgia.
All right, Scott, Sheila, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are

(02:17):
you guys doing today.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
We're good, We're doing good. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, absolutely, it's a pleasure to have you both on
the show. Scott and Sheila. If you would tell me
a little bit about yourselves and your bigfoot experiences from
the very beginning, please.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Okay, Well, we started this adventure way back in twenty eighteen.
Myself and Sheila are both retired law enforcement offers. We
got into this because she drug me to a bigfoot
outing our bigfoot expedition one time, and I went with

(02:57):
her and on it. And how was that person? You
know that I hunted and fished all my life in
the river bottoms and swamps, and I was a very
bad skeptic. And I told her, I said, I said,
you know, if anything like this ever existed, I would
have seen it or something like that. And uh low

(03:19):
and behold, I did get to see one that changed
my whole attitude about everything. And it was, you know,
it was life changing event for me.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I had I'd always thought about bigfoot, you know, but
just thought it was like a unicorn. It was mythical.
But my biggest thing is I loved the legend of
Boggy Creek. That was my movie. And uh so when
we moved from South Georgia to North Georgia, I seen
there was there were having a beefit expedition. So I
just beg Scott, please, let's go, Let's go, and I

(03:53):
finally talked him into it, even though he was just
doing it for my benefit. He was a total skeptic.
And then we went to the the expedition. We were
there night early, and we went out with a couple
of people that were there that you know, had had
their own sightings, and things happened that you know, we
we could not explain. I mean, Scott was just floored,

(04:14):
you know, the things. We didn't have any sightings that night,
but we did have a lot of you know, we
heard a lot of things. And from that point on,
you know, we were you go down this rabbit hole,
either you'll love it and you'll want to go out
in woods and seek more, or you're either going to
be terrified to go back in the woods. Well I

(04:35):
couldn't wait to stay in the woods. And we were out.
My sighting, my my very first sighting, happened in twenty
nineteen September. We were out scouting for a place to
go camping. It was me and Scott and one of
our friends and we were actually in North Georgia, in Clayton, Georgia.
As a matter of fact, I mean it was about

(04:55):
two o'clock in the afternoon, and it was a nice day.
Not a lot of foolage on the tree. Because like
I said, it was September. I did not have my
cell phone, and honestly, I usually carry in the woods
because of hogs. I'm more terrified of hogs, wild hogs
than anything. Didn't have any of that. And we the
last minute, we decided to go to the top of
a ridge, you know, to see what we could see

(05:17):
and look down. Well, I started up the ridge, and
why I had momentum. I you know, I kept going.
I didn't want to slow down because it's pretty rough
climbing up there. And Scott and my friends stayed at
the base because they were looking at a tree that
looked like something was grabbing onto When it started up
the ridge, like get up the ridge, you know, and
I'm looking over actually at our cars and the dirt

(05:41):
roads and all the little trails and everything, you know,
just just looking at it as beautiful up there. And
then I heard it like a clicking noise, and I
took a step back and I looked over towards my
four o'clock and you know, and I could see it
was about twenty five yards away, and I could see
really good because, like I said, it wasn't all the

(06:02):
foliage on the trees and everything. So I'm looking and
I see movement, you know what I'm squitting, and I'm like,
in your mind, you're thinking, what the heck is that?
What moved a little bit more and it was behind
a tree and both hands were on the tree, and
it was just a little bit of movements, and I
out loud. I colled for Scott Scott because I thought

(06:25):
they were coming on up where they were still down
the ridge, you know, and this thing's looking at me
and I'm looking at We have eye context, so there's
absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever. The left shoulder
was on the left side of the tree, but the
right shoulder was on the right side of the tree too,
And it started doing a little bit more bouncy things.
It looked like a huge man with no neck that

(06:49):
maybe had on like a cinnamon looking, I don't know,
fur coat. The hair wasn't that long, there was no
facial hair. It looked like lay on the face. And
then I said, you know, it was moving a little
bit more, and this this was so fast it happened
so fast, and when it was bouncing a little bit more,

(07:11):
I hollered out Scott like that, you know, because I
didn't know if this thing was fixing what was fixing
to happen. But in my I'm looking at this that
should not exist. Like everything that your mom ever told
you boogers aren't real or whatever, it is a lie
because in your mind at that time, it's like you're
unwrapping years of you know, what you thought was reality.

(07:32):
So when when I called the second time, Scott and
our friend come running up there as best as they could,
and I'm shaking like a leaf on a tree, pointing
there was a book there was a big foot right there.
So I showed Scott the tree and or my friend
and you know, we me and him took off over
there to find the spot. Now, I was a call

(07:52):
for twenty years. If I had called, you know, description
on it over the over the radio, I would have
said it would have been about six six and a
half foot tall. But when I get there, it was
on the decline, so whatever it was had to be
at least seven seven half foot tall. But when I
when I called Scott the second time, this thing dropped
like a puff of smoke on all fours and just

(08:15):
took off.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, we get up there. Her explanation of her shaking
is very like I understated, because she was she was
rattling from the top of her head to her ankles
and everything. She's telling us all about it, and our
friend and her go over there to that area where
it's at, and she'd already pointed out the position on

(08:39):
the tree where the top of his head was. They
get over there and they step off on that decline
back there, and our friend, he's about six foot three,
he had to reach up to get to where that
the top of the mark she had shown me. So
there's they're scouting all that right in there where it
was at and everything. And I walk over with him

(08:59):
and get over there. And the part she didn't tell
you about that was once I got over there, they
pointed out to me, there is fresh scat right there
at the close to that tree. Huge and if it
had been a little cooler, it was so fresh, you know,
it would have had remnants of smoke rising off of

(09:21):
that that type of freshness. And me and our friend
we tracked this thing down to a ravine where it
run down to a ravine. It was probably ravine was
about fifteen or so feet deep, about fifteen or so
yards across, and it didn't run down in that ravine.
It jumped that you could see where it hit on

(09:42):
the other side. And we come back to her and
she she's still shaking a little bit and telling us
about you know, everything about it, and that was that
was pretty unique. She tried for several days to talk
herself out of what she saw. Asked me several times
do you think I seen that? Do you do you
think it was a bear? And all this right here,

(10:05):
And when she described everything, you know that, yeah, from
bears stand upwards, their shoulders are on a forty five
degree slant, and this her description, I think was his
shoulders were squared off. And when she described as facial
everything to me, I pretty well knew right then she
had seen one. At that point, about two weeks later,

(10:28):
on that same ridge, all the people that were going
to be camping there, we'd all start to gathering up.
I stand over by side my truck, and one of
our friends hollered to me that something had moved up
on the top of that ridge. Well, I started watching
and I finally see it, and I picked him off,
and he's standing between two trees looking back at our friend,

(10:50):
and I told him hollered over to him. I said, yeah,
I see, and he said, where is it? And I
was trying to direct him his sight up there to it.
And this thing was like she that had said, like
a cinnamon color, reddish color. And with the foliage being
dropped off all the trees, all the brown leaves and everything,
this thing blended into the back drop better than a

(11:12):
man in the gilly suit. He really did. And our
friend eased over to my truck with men. I'm trying
to tell him right where he's right, where he's standing,
right between these two trees, and he's telling me that
I can't see him. I can't see him. So I
actually grabbed catch him by the back of the head,
you know a little bit, and kind of position his

(11:34):
head up because I can tell he's not looking in
the right area. He says, God, I still don't see him.
And then I made a mistake. I reached over his
shoulder and pointed at him. As soon as I pointed
at him, that thing dropped down and took off. He
covered the distance of over forty yards going over the
top of that ridge and just a flash. And I

(11:54):
had a lot of people ask me after from the
fact and everything, because I had sit there and watched
this for over a minute half have see you didn't
get a picture of them or anything like that. I
had a wonderful song in my pocket with a good
camera on and everything. That was the last thing that
ever crossed my mind. It never never even dawned on
me to take a picture at that point in time.

(12:18):
And we went on from there. We scouted with this
for this group and done a whole lot of more
things with them and everything, and we started to see
a little bit of the situation of the cost of
going with that group was pretty high. And we would

(12:39):
always have a lot of people, you know, tell us
that they really wanted to go and do these kind
of things, but they weren't willing you put out that
kind of money to go do it. We sit back
and we discussed it amongst ourselves, you know, of what
it would really take to start doing something like that,
and we after putting pen to paper real hard and everything,

(13:00):
we come up with some figures and all. It looked
good to us, and we shut it in some other people,
and it looked good to a lot of different folks.
So we decided to open up a outfit service, squat
Fishing Outfits where we actually take people out on these
expeditions and things. And we've done everything we could possibly
do to make it as affordable as possible where anybody

(13:23):
that wanted to go do it could actually go do it.
And so we started that up. It took us about
a year and a half or so to get everything set,
you know, all the permits and interces and all that stuff.
Finally get all that done. And once we got all
that done, we started that up.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Before that, before we got everything started up, we had
moved from South Georgia to North Georgia, you know, and
that's kind of when everything started. We were totally you know,
you don't really realize it's legit, you know, you hear
all the stories and stuff, but until you start you
start experiencing it. Before we ever went on the first expedition,

(14:08):
when we moved up here, we'd leased a little cabin
down by the river. It's like an eight hundred square
foot cabin and Scott had stayed in South Georgia sell
our house down there. When I was up here by myself,
and I mean there was nobody around because it was
kind of off season, you know, and I'd get up
and go to work and come back and sometimes I
would hear like a whooping noise. And I had no

(14:31):
idea then, because I've never been on an expedition. Yea,
the most I'd ever seen was like something on television
or whatever. And I was on the phone with him
one evening and I started hearing it in the yard
and I asked Scott, I said, what kind of bird
makes a whooping noise? I had no clue. He had
no clue until that first night, you know, when we

(14:51):
went out and it was it was all around us,
and I was just shocked. Floord wasn't the word, you know.
It's like all of a sudden, all those questions, you know,
obviously I knew what the whooping noise was. Then. Well,
about a year later, we bought our own cabin and
it's in the middle of nowhere to which is how

(15:12):
we like it. But we moved in the cabin it
had set in before a while. It was actually somebody's
vacation home and they apparently they rarely used it. We
moved in and we started having so much stuff happening
at this cabin. You know, we used to lay in
the bed and just hear the heavy footstops and I
call it going down to the Pitt Cemetery Path, which

(15:34):
is on the corner of our house. At the back
of our house, we would have motion lights pushed up
and you'd need a ladder. He would need to get
a ladder to get on the to push them back
up or push them down rather change the bulbs. Oh
my goodness. Our kids would come spend the night, and
they're grown and they thought we were just nuts to

(15:55):
begin with, and they would have things happen. So to
this day they won't go outside after dark. Our our
daughter in law had got up and went got on
the couch one night and she was she thought we
were just all right, y'all are just you have no idea,
y'are nuts. And she was letting on the couch and
she says, I heard something walk up the front steps,

(16:17):
walk on the porch and wiggle the doorknob. Now there's
you can't see another house from where we live. There's
five houses on this dirt road and we're like in
a basin around mountains. She heard the doorknob wiggle, and
she said, I got up and went back to the bedroom,
which is on the other corner of the house. And

(16:38):
she said, a couple minutes later, I could hear something
tapping up the window. It's our dogs. I mean, you
never know what's going to set them off. We have
four little small dogs, and one of them. Something's happening
to her because she every time she hears anything, she
gets onto the couch. She goes down and right under
the couch that's where she heads soon and you signed trouble.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Before that, before whatever happened that dots and she was
like fearless of anything, and she'd be the one to
be standing at the door of anything or something or
somebody was getting ready to come in. But not now.
Whatever whatever's happened here has made her do a retreat.
But when she was talking about the lights on the house,

(17:22):
we used to get the side of the cabin slapped. Yeah,
our fuel tank, our gas tank would get slapped. Our
meter box. For some reason, they loved that meter box.
Goodness gracious, they they had slapped the fire of that
thing and our original lights on the house for floodlights

(17:42):
on each corner of the house, but they were all
on switches. One evening, I went to turn the floodlights on.
I was getting ready to walk out and do something
and through the switch lights didn't come on. A run
checked the break her breakers are on. I come back
and look make sure, I thought rights which lives wearing
all us as well, get ready to replace those bulbs,

(18:05):
and it dawned on me, No, it's kind of kind
of funny that both light bulls blow at the same time. Well,
this particular light on the corner of our house takes
a twelve foot a frame ladder to get up there
to them to change them. So I get me two
new bulbs and I run up the ladder getting ready
to change them, and grab a hold of the first
one and it's loose, so I got to tighten it up.

(18:28):
And it takes four quarter turns to tighten that light
bulb up. And this house doesn't vibrate. I mean, it's
on a very good foundation. There's no amount of rattling
this house could possibly do to cause that. And I
grabbed the other light and it was exactly the same
four quarter turns tighten that light bulb up. I thought

(18:49):
about it for a second. I come back down the
ladder and went turned the light switch on. Lights came
on then right then I stopt what I was doing,
went on up to the store and got two doublehead
flood lights with motion detectors on, which I doesn't need
to do that anyway, because she was a hospice nurse

(19:11):
and sometimes that she comes in later in the evenings,
and I wanted a light peble to turn on whenever
she pulled up in the driveway. Anyway, So I get
these lights and I get them off set rigged up
and everything. And the whole time that night after I
put them up, we're laying in the bed, I'm watching
I can got my curtains cracked a little bit so

(19:31):
I can see if that light comes on. And nothing
happened the first night. The second night, the lights went
to coming on, they come on, they'd go off in
just a little while, they come back on, and I'm
kind of laying here giggling to myself, like, yeah, I
caught y'all with this one. A little while goes by
and she'a comes home late one evening and she tells me,

(19:52):
she said, hey, that front light didn't come on. I
pulled down on the car port. I said, well, darn,
I wouldn't made sure the switch were on. Everything was,
And I walked down there and looked at it. The
head that takes motion to that light was pushed all
the way up to the roof. And I get my
ladder out and I reach up there and get a
hold of this head and try to pull it back down.

(20:14):
And I can't pull it back down. This thing has
teeth in it where it locks itself in place. And
I was pulling on pretty hard, and I was scared
I'd break it. I had to take the light apart
to reset the head where it was supposed to be.
And that's actually happened a couple of times where that
head's gotten pushed all the way up.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
What about that the ways across the road there, we're sitting.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
At here, and she was reminding me of something and
it was just me and here by ourselves. And we
run audio at night, especially after we started our outfit
of business and everything. We run audio when we can.
We're in the woods a lot, three to four days

(20:59):
a week east if not more, and we're sitting down
at our firepit one evening. We've got our audio records running.
We're just sitting down there, you know, relaxing and everything,
and the craziest howl started about fifty yards in behind us,
just right across the two path road from our house.

(21:20):
And I look at Sheila and she looks at me,
and we're both in disbelief. We know what it is,
and the coyotes chime in with him. I told her,
I said, I'm gonna ease up here to the house
to get get fire arm because this is just so close.
And she stays it right there by the fire And
that happened with us three times that evening. It was

(21:42):
moving down the ridge and it'd get to a certain
point it would howl up again. And bear in mind,
all this is not fifty yards from us. And that
was a pretty unique happening here in the house. We've
had a whole lot of both things go on. We
find tracks down by our creek pretty regular. That's not uncommon.
And you know, when you live somewhere and you mow

(22:06):
your yard and you weed eat in your yard and everything,
you pretty well know what's in your yard as far
as rocks and things like that that you can possibly hit. Well,
I had we did around the house I just a
few days before, and me and her were getting ready
to walk down the path to the creek and I
look and there's two baseball sized quartz rocks sitting right

(22:28):
right there. They weren't there before. And I'm looking at
those rocks and she had pointed them out too, and
we're looking back and forth at and I said, I
just wonder, and thus dark that evening, we come back
and checked. We stepped on down the path and we
started walking back up the path. As soon as we
get to these rocks, the lights come on. So I'm

(22:51):
looking around. I'm thinking, I said, yemp, you know, something
has marked this or something. So I moved the light,
moved the rocks about three foot closer to the house.
We go on about our business and I'm watching that
night for it and everything, and sure enough that night
those lights popped on and I'm I'm you know, it
becomes like a game to playing with them, and uh,

(23:16):
because we just have so much to activity and everything
goes on here in it's holler. But then we get
on into the point where, you know, we actually have
our first expedition, and which was a very very good,
successful expedition. We had a whole lot of things go
on there and had uh people get to you know,

(23:40):
have some really really good interactions and things, and and
I think we're in our what fourth season, now, this
is our fourth year. Yeah, this is this is our
fourth season of what we do, taking people out and everything.
And we also guide fly fishing trips and the uh
one of them.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
About the first night, the first the very first night
of our very first expedition. And keep in mind, we
were so nervous, you know, doing this because we just
kind of cartwheeled through it just hoping. We wanted there
to be activity and we wanted to people to be
able to hear or see something. But we went up

(24:20):
that night and we had two groups. The first group
was my group and the second group was Scott's group.
He went on down the road. So I stayed at
one spot, you know, and you're in the middle of
I promise you of nowhere. And I had one guy
in the group with me. The rest were women, and
we had to build a fire and we were sitting
there and I mean, it's so dark you can't see
your hand in from your face. Rocks started flying through

(24:41):
the woods and it was that one direction. It was
at him, you know, and he's like looking at me,
He's like, do you see that? And I said, yeah,
did you notice? It's all they're being thrown at you.
You know, they targeted the only medal in the group,
I'm assuming because they didn't want him there. And that
night was this absolute crazy. He actually saw an orb

(25:03):
and heard a growling sound and others heard the growling
sound as well. So that was that was an awesome night.
The second night we went out, we all went to
the same place. Now from there we had a fire,
so there were you know, people that don't want to
hike or whatever, are not capable of it. They sit
right there by the fire, and I stayed with them

(25:24):
and Scott had took a small group out hoking. We
had so much activity going on. We were having little
rocks thrown at us. To the plan, I know, I'm
gonna get, you know, some backlash for this. I had
a little slingshot and I would take these little rocks
and when they would throw a rock towards us, I
would shoot a rock like, you know, not the direction

(25:46):
the rock come from the opposite direction, So I would
shoot one, and then a couple of minutes later, you
hear the here come another rock, a little rock through
the woods. And we done this, played this game for
I know, fifteen or twenty minutes. Now everybody seen this,
you know, seeing it happening, and they were just like
in disbelief. And I promise you there was no human

(26:06):
out there doing this where we were. So later on,
like I said, they went hiking and me and like
four or five girls set around the fire and the
cars were close up. So when the hiking group gets back,
I asked God, I said, well, you walk around my
jeep with me because I had to obviously I had
to go to the little girl's room and I had

(26:29):
a headlamp on. So when I turned the corner there
on the what do you call that the wheel fender
flare of my jeep was this, it's probably about fifth
sides of a river rock sitting there on my fender wheel.
It had not been thrown because you would have seen
a dent. It was a red and color, you know,
it had been placed there. And I was, I can't

(26:51):
tell you how excited I was. And I took that
as you know, they gifted me for playing this little
game with them. That rock is right now, I was
in my curio cabin and I'll tell Scott, you know,
and then I said, well, I guess Bigfoot some gage
you gave me a rock, but I can. I mean,
that was the first expedition we had. It was it
was just awesome, and I mean their own It's just

(27:15):
it's gotten crazier.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
It really has. We've taken out several expeditions, you know,
and had a lot of people get their opportunities to
have interactions, have actual sightings, both daylight and night sidings.
Night sidings being through thermal imaging. We got away from
night vision a little bit just because of the use
of their our technique. We trying thanks for a couple

(27:44):
of the most highlighted. Oh yes, myself, Sheila and two
of our other friends. We were in an area and
we were just just doing some scar out and looking
around and everything. We were walking up service road heading

(28:06):
up to the area where we're going to and it
sounded like everything in the world broke loose on top
of a ridge to the right of us, and all
of our headlamps, you know, slapping around there, and we're
looking up that ridge and something is coming down the
ridge at us, and up here we have this Mountain Laurel,
and it grows pretty thick, and this stuff is pretty tough.

(28:29):
You could actually physically see the Mountain Laurel parting. Whatever
it was was coming off that ridge at us. It
gets about ten yards away from us and just comes
to a stop. We weren't sure if it jumped over
top of us, just slammed on brakes and hit a
trail right there and went down a trail or what.
But we had all breaks up like we were about

(28:51):
to be run completely over. I mean, it was. That
was one pretty nerve wracking event right there, and all
the people that were with the other people that were
with us says, you know, we need we need to
go on up here where we're going to go. And
the whole time I'm thinking myself, you know, we got
to walk back through the same area coming back. But

(29:13):
we went on to what we were doing and had
a fairly uneventful night and the rest of the night,
and we on our expeditions, we've, like I said, we've
had a lot of things go on. And we had
one evening where I had a group up on top
of the mountain. She's group was down by the fire pit,

(29:34):
and we on our way up, we would walk through
this smell, and I mean it was futured, ungodly. You
walk into it as like walking into a wall and
walk a few yards and you like completely walking out
of it and sorted just not to be there. We

(29:55):
crossed this smell like four different times going up this mountain,
and I started noting before we smell the smells on
the way up. We get to the top of the
mountain and we're all set up and everything, and one
of the gentlemen that had went with us, he was
a bad skeptic, and he had a thermal vision with him,

(30:17):
and all of a sudden, I hear him gasp, you
know that that famous air suck gasp. And usually when
that happened, somebody has seen something. He calls for me
and he says, I'm seeing something here, and I said, well,
explain to me what you're seeing, because I had already
looked at it through a thermal also and knew what
he was saying. So he goes to explain to me.

(30:38):
He says, well, there's something standing behind this tree and
it's got his hand or paws wrapped around the tree here,
and he's looking out from one side. He said, this
thing shoulders are on both sides of the tree. I said,
her shoulder flattered upright. He said they're squared off. I said,
we just answered one of your own questions. He said,

(30:59):
what's that. Well, when a bear stands up, his shoulders
on him about a forty five degree angle. So he's
looking at that, and I told him. Then I said,
look to the left of that just a little bit,
and down there's another one right there. So he's actually
looking at two. One picking over an old at uson
one behind a tree right there. The uh I had

(31:21):
another gentleman. He's standing back just back of ways on
the trail, probably fifteen yards away from me. He's looking around.
He has seen these things also, but he's also looking
all around the rest of the perimeter with us. And
I hear a pop. And when I hear this pop,
I physically thought he was a snake bit. And as

(31:43):
soon as the pop happened, he stumbled around a little
bit and took off the run. Catch him a little
bit and he's rubbing on his leg and I said,
what is it? What is it? He said, something hit
me on the leg, and we pulled his breech's legs up.
We look and I'm actually looking for a snake wound.
There's nothing there. Go back over to the area where

(32:05):
he was standing at. There's no rocks there, there's no
sticks that could flip up and hit him. But there
was a game trail there. Now the day before that,
when I had looked this area over before carrying anyone
up there, it was a standard game trail about a
foot and a half wide, the foliage on each side
of it about two and a half three foot tall.

(32:26):
We get over there by that game trail where he
was standing at. All the folios for about a foot
and a half on each side of the trail had
been crushed down to the ground, just as far off
that ridge as you want to look. At that point,
I decided, well, we're going to ease everybody off this,
off this mountaintop right here and get on back. We

(32:47):
start coming back through their smells again. And when we
start coming back through the smells again, the smells have
moved and this sit and a smell that just you know,
just would like linger and float along. It was like
it's it's really hard to describe as it's like walking
into a line of it, like you walked straight into it,
walked just a few feet and you walk out of it.

(33:11):
When we get to the back to our group that's
down there at the fire, we get telling about the things,
you know, that we have went on, and I slept
really really good that night because I wound up going
to the top of that mountain three more times for
other people to get to smell they smells. And when
we get back to our main base camp, these things

(33:32):
followed us back and they're sitting on those sides of
the creek just whooping at us all night long. And uh,
everybody had a you know, a big, big happening over
all that round there, and everybody was enjoying ourselves by
the interactions and all what we had.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'm trying to think there was. There was this one
time Scott and I went in the woods. It was
just here and I during the day and we're gonna
go out there. You scout around, because what we do,
we're constantly in the woods looking for places, you know,
with with more activity, because you we want people on
the expeditions to be able to hear something, and it
doesn't always happen, you know, but we do our best,

(34:11):
you know, to try to put them in an active area.
But Scott down were out there and we were we
were in the woods pretty good, and I kept hearing
something off to a right. It sounded like somebody was
like hammering in a tense state because it was just
on rhythm like that that makes any sense. And I
asked him, I said, you do you hear that? Well?
He was hearing something off to his left, and so

(34:32):
I made him stop. And we were listening, and it
was almost like we were in front of like a
gorilla cage at the zoo. I mean, it was going
building itself up.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And he got louder, and it done about four or
five times, and he heard it the last time. So
of course we took off the go down there and
try to find it. Well, we didn't find anything. Then
we did not, for some reason, have audio with us.
But we went back a couple of days. Then we
put all go out. Okay, I'm sorry, my bad. We
had audio. Then we put audio out and we went

(35:06):
back a couple just about three days later. It was me, Scott,
my best friend, and her husband who's part of the crew.
So him and I wanna say, Thomas went out in
the woods and we were in the woods. But they
went deeper into the woods to retrieve the audio. And
Michelle and I sit up there in the woods, but
around a little fire pit we had made, and it

(35:28):
was it was dusk. It was getting dark pretty quick,
and like I said, they were gone, and we were
sitting there talking and I kept hearing something and I'd
ask her, do you hear that? Well, Michelle can't hear.
She's she's got problems in one of her ears. So
I had to make her be still because it was
coming towards us. And I've never heard anything like this.

(35:49):
The only thing I can liken it too, was if
you've ever been around Florida or whatever and you've heard
like an alligator crowl, like deep guttural growl. And it
was like every maybe I don't know, like every thirty
to forty six or something like that. But I had
audio running, Thank goodness, I had audio running. So she
sat down and she's listening and she goes, oh my god,

(36:11):
I hear it. Well, like I say, I do carry
in the woods primarily for hogs. And it's just she
and I, so obviously, and I'm gonna be safe for
me to take my gun out of the holster and
have it ready. I'm scared. There's a reason, you know
what I mean, because of that, I am not a

(36:32):
dependent person on that. It was so intense. She had
got up and put the keys in the truck because
she says, we have to get out of here. I
just don't want to drop the keys on the way
to the truck. I said, well, you just run up
and get in the truck. I'll jump in the back
of I have to, you know, like we were going to.
I don't know what would have happened, literally if somebody
had come up there on us. But I got fourteen

(36:55):
growls on audio.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
It coming.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah at the end, there's a and it's all recorded,
and I had to Thank goodness, we usually don't have
signal in the woods, but where we were, I had
Cole Scott and I'm surprised it went through. And I
asked him, I said, are y'all hearing anything? And didn't
you tell me y'all had heard of whoop or something
heard of wood? But they, of course they didn't hear
the ground. Thank goodness, they come back up there to

(37:19):
where we were, because I'd never heard that before. You know,
I've heard it walking around the tent and you let
me that's the most distinct sound to me, that's that's
my most favorite part. And when you're in a tent
and you're in a dead sleep and all of a
sudden you wake up here in like these Jurassic Park footsteps,
it will your eyes will just fly open and you

(37:41):
instantly what it is and you could hear it, and
I'm thinking, you know, most of the time it's coming
into where our kitchen area is. But talking about footsteps,
I can't tell you how many times we found tracks.
And one in particular, I was traveling nursing and I
was in my home, I mean out there by myself

(38:02):
in the snow. I had seen a tree structure and
I went back a couple of days later to find
this tree structure. It was awesome, And I had a
jeep at the time, and I was pulling through there
and I thought I could pull through the snow drift.
Well I was wrong. So I was just raising sand
in my jeep trying to get out of the snow
drift with nobody around. And I did go through it,

(38:25):
and I pulled back to where I seen I had
seen the tree structure and fresh snow had fallen fallen,
and I'm walking towards the tree structure and in the
snow are these huge foot tracks. You know, in the
snow you couldn't see toe prints or anything, but you
could tell it was something walking. And it had like
a four and a half inch stride, and the tracked

(38:47):
for about eighteen inches long. And there's foot strides. I
don't know what I'm saying, but there was no other
animal prints. Like I said, it was fresh snow. There
was no you know, that was it and it was
it went right by the tree structure, and of course
I'm gonna follow it, and I did. I follow the
tracks pretty good ways on in the woods, and those

(39:10):
tracks just stopped. They just disappeared. And you know, I
look up, thinking, well, in my training, you know, you
look up there was nothing there. It was just dead, silid.
And I can't tell you how many times we've seen
that in would sing tracks and then all of a
sudden they disappear. And that's my biggest question, where do
the tracks go? Because we first started this kind of

(39:34):
we're you know, you would hear all the stories and
of the different cryptis, and then you know, we were
talking about Okay, if we're gonna do this, we're just
gonna stick to big Foot. I don't want to I
don't hear any of the other stuff. I don't want
to get in any other stuff. But I promise you
that's not going to happen if you do this. There's
so many branches just going to every which direction. I mean,

(39:56):
stuff happens. You cannot explain.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I just people.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
The only thing I can tell people are they're thinking
you're crazy or whatever. Are the closed minded people think
that we are the end all be y' all, They're
going to be in for a rude of waiting because
there's just so much more out there that, you know,
I can't even begin to explain. I'll never have all
the answers to all the questions.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That I have about the time when you think you
figured one thing out, are you are you think you're
getting close to figuring it out? That one thing will
cause you to have about five more different questions. Really
and truly, but one of our other you know, super
highlighted times, was one of our very good friends. They

(40:40):
go with us on these expeditions ever so often. In
this particular one, they had their sons with them. And
he he was on the on my hiking group with us. Well,
we had something get thrown at us from the right
hand side. Naturally, everybody looks, you know, to the right
hands and side where something gets thrown from thrown from

(41:03):
one of my team members. When something happens, it's his
job to scoured behind us, you know, off to all
sides and everything. And he picks one of these critters off,
and I call him critters, you know, for anybody who's
curious about when I say critters. He picks one of
these critters off, and he's behind a rock and he's
looking up and picking over the rock at us, you know,

(41:24):
and he's sitting there doing that, watching us. So we
focus a lot of attention on him. And there's four
different thermals going at this time, all watching this one critter,
and you know, he's showing us his upper his shoulders
is upper torso and everything. He's lifting up and bobbing

(41:44):
and going back and forth and doing a lot of
the typical things. And when something like this happens, a
lot of times I'll walk out into the area where
one of these things are at and they'll generally they'll
they'll stand up and run off for make their way
out of there pretty quick. And I only do that
so that other folks, you know, may get the opportunity

(42:06):
to see them better, at least see them walk off.
And I was getting ready to do that, and my
friend's son, he asked me if he could go with me.
Me and him have a short conversation on some news
and donts, and I reluctantly did let him go with me.
So we get out here and by this rock. And

(42:28):
when I get to the rock and I turn my
head land lamp around behind the rock, it's not there.
I'm immediately thinking to myself, well, it just he eased
on out of here and they weren't able to see it,
you know, and let me know that it moved. So
I get a big light, big white light out in
my pocket and shine down in the direction I thought

(42:48):
it would have went, and I'm scouring the area and
I'm coming around. Well, as I come around with my light,
this thing has moved fifteen yards away from the rock.
He has it's back towards us, squad down, and he's
looking at us, and I put that light right in
his face. As soon as I put the light right
in his face, it picks his arm up and kind
of turns his head and turns his shoulders away from us.

(43:11):
At that point, I look at my friend's son, I said,
just back up. You know. See, he's the man of
the group. Whatever it is he has, he's not willing
to leave, and we were wear in a bad situation.
That's probably one of the most nervous times I've ever
been doing this thing for the simple reason that it
didn't leave out. He was holding his ground. Whatever he had,

(43:34):
he wasn't willing to leave. And the fact that I
had one of my very good friend's son with me,
you know that that was a that was probably my
nervousness I've ever been about that, because that was a
situation that could have went terribly wrong. Well, we get
back to the group, and to this day, that young man,

(43:54):
if you get around him, he will tell you that.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Story one of a time that really stands out. This
We were not on an expedition. It was just a
friend wanted to go camping for his birthday. That's all
he wanted. So we went to a spot not too
far from where we take people sometimes, but there was

(44:17):
one there was totally six save people up there something
like that, and we had heard some stuff behind the camper.
We had like two campers and a pop up there
and a rock had been placed on this tree stuff,
and I said, well, you need to gift one back

(44:37):
and asked if they had any peanut butter. We got
the peanut butter and put back on there on the stuff,
you know, and the lid was on it. And before
we went to bed that night, I said something. I said, well,
somebody needs to go check the peanut butter. Well, I
think it was you. Scott goes back there is to
check to check it, and the peanut butter jar is gone.
There was no lid, there's nothing, it was gone. You know.

(44:59):
We just thought that was whatever it was, you know,
we was definitely gonna look for it. The next morning.
We all go to bed and it's about two thirty
that morning and Scott said, now we had a little
it's a fifteen foot I mean you had to go
outside and change mind. It was so small. But he
it was two thirty and he coughed, and Scott's a
big guy, so when he coughed, it was like when

(45:21):
the loud loud coughs, you know, And when he did
that something behind the camper pushed this little camper. I
mean I almost pushed it off the blocks. And I
tell you, you want to wake up real quick, that's
a good way to do it right there. I looked
at him, I said, are you going to go outside?
He said, hell, no, I ain't going out there. I
know what's out there. The next day, you know, you

(45:44):
could see where you could see the hand prints, you know,
like it's knuckles where whatever it was, it looked like
there's two had crawled up there behind our camper. And
I guess when Scott coughed like that, you know, it
either scared them or whatever. And our friends Michelle and
Thomas Thomas were in the pop up and they could
hear it was walking around their pap up and they

(46:06):
could hear and they could hear the whooping. And I
never forget Thomas told Michelle, he says, un zipped the window.
Unzipped the window. She said, I'm not unzipping the window.
You know. Everybody was freaked out. But that that was
just an awesome weekend and we went we was shipped
there just a camp.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Well, they had been whooping in behind their vehicles before that.
Before our camp got pushed also, so we kind of
already knew, you know that they were right there around us.
But you know, we've had we've had a really good
time with this and uh had a lot of folks
you go with us and things that, like I said,
you know, have had had the opportunity to have interactions

(46:44):
and see them. One young man that has come all
the way from Massachusetts down here in North Georgia last year,
he had a daylight sighting of one just walking off
the bridge, and uh, he was super stoked and excited
about that, especially after driving all that way, you know,
to one of these things.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And then the documentary we were going on our way too.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yeah, and we we filmed a few different documentaries you know,
doing this, and uh, one particular one, we had the
film crews here and we're getting everything done and of
all things, now you think you're filming something, so camera
is probably gonna be rolling all the time, and that
doesn't always happen. And camp on the way we were

(47:30):
leaving that base camp area and heading to work to
the area where we're going at it and nothing going on,
and all of a sudden, the two guys doing film work,
they were riding with me. They hollered at and I'm
looking at them talking. We're talking back and forth. They
hollered at what is that? And we had one across
the road right in front of my jeep and we

(47:52):
slam on the brakes. You know, everybody bails out of vehicles.
We're looking looking at everything. And she finds up the
track where right where he went up he wound up
having a seventeen and a half inch track.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, went right.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
So the ridge, Yeah, that ridge he went up was
probably only about a forty five degree angle. He went
up a thing like it wasn't nothing to do it.
But you know, we, like I said, we've had a
lot of fun with it, made a lot of good friends,
lifelong typ friends.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
And most of the people that ever went with us,
they come back. I mean they come back like every year,
and you know that now they're like family. We know
these people. And I mean we got out there, we
set up this you know, big bass camp and oh
my gosh, shut the food. We we eat good, you know,
we tell stories and you know, because you're with light

(48:46):
minded people and then we go out and hunt, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
It's it's great.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
We have more fine than anybody.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, if anybody goes one of our expeditions and leaves hungry,
it's your own fault. Or if you lose weight, it's
definitely your fault.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And we you know, we've had one of our crew
members as a young girl, she's twenty six, twenty seven,
I think she was twenty six at the time, she
had a siding and she was you know, after she
had that sighting, she got to see one literally run,
you know, and there's there's no man out there that
can run what she like the way she's seen it

(49:25):
through firm And she was so worried that night she says,
what if it follows me back to base camp.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Well guess what it did. She got the opportunity to
hear something rubbing on her tent that night and things
and one thing we do with all of our participants, Yeah,
we tell everyone. You know, most people have vehicles that
have key fobbs, you know, they have panicle arms on them.
We tell everybody keep that key close and you know,

(49:53):
if something gets she spooked up or whatever, no matter
what it is, hit that panic alarm, we will all
come out, muster up here and see what's going on. Well,
that particular night, this young lady she told us, she said,
I slept with my key fob on my chest the
whole night. And she says, and she says, when I
started hearing the grills and everything open and just slam,

(50:16):
that was another key.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Factor for and I lifted prints off of your tree.
There was you could see dusty fringerprints, you know, Almostcott's
truck because this trut's dark gray, and you could see
where whatever it was with drew it's hand and you
could see like the fur or whatever hair tracing down
the dust on the truck as well. And there was
a huge footprint right beside his truck.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
And fingerprints were about twice with.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
And they always looked greasy. I've had them all over
my jeep before. Just Scott and I were camping one night,
and I'm telling you pictures. We get some awesome pictures sometimes,
but we had been up in this area where like
you ever get that feeling like I do, when you
the air is so tense or you know you you

(51:03):
don't need to be there. So we backed out and
left that night. We're in our tent down the road
and then Scott had heard a growl and this is
what he says to me. And one of these days
I'll probably get God because I just don't have better sense.
And he tells me, he says, I want you to
get up, get whatever you need, and go to the jeep.

(51:24):
And my famous question he's going to shock me one
day is I'll say, why you know I'm there to
see something and you know I want to see it.
You might get me, but I by George, you know.
So I remember the next morning all over because it
had slapped the side of my jeep. I remember that
slapped it too. All over my jeep were these huge
greasy handprints.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, handprints are about plice the size of mine. And
when she's telling you that part about once, she always
asked why I have to explain that to her. You know,
there's a lot of times I don't have time at
that moment to explain my rea, but she will want
to sit and ask why. I know I'm not the
only fella out there that has that situation go on.

(52:08):
But you know, if any if anybody would like to
get with us and think about setting up and going
with us on any of these trips, we're easy to
locate it. Squatch fishing outfitters. We're on Facebook, we have
a we have a TikTok page that has a lot
of information on it. I said. We also guide fly
fishing and teach people to fly fish that have never

(52:31):
even held a fly rod in our hands.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I promise you We're not doing this to get French
by as, because we pretty much go on the whole.
But we have fun doing it.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
That's it. We're going to do it, you know, regardless anyway,
That's what it's all about. That is, you know, and we,
like I said, we've made you know, great friends all
across the country doing this, and we we don't we
do all of our expedition work and every thing right
here in North Georgia Mountains, but we venture out all

(53:05):
kinds of other places that also ourselves out to the
LBL with a group out there calls all us Beast.
One of their guys is actually a team member of ours,
and it's a you know, it's been a really really
great time.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
The best part to me is I get excited when
new people, especially maybe skeptics, when they come in and
something happens, you know, rocks and throne or are they
here or how or whatever. That's the best part from me,
because you can just I mean, some of them kind
of lose lose it for a minute, and some of
them get really really quiet.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Oh yeah, we have a group that her and her
husband comes on a regular basis, and she wasn't able
to be here one particular evening and he got to
see one first, and he was a skeptic. Well she
was a little you know, bent about that. But later on,
after coming for a while, she finally got to see
one and through thermal vision one evening, and after she

(54:11):
got to see it, she was like she lei, you know,
she was, she was shaking from head to Toad had
to get her pretty well calmed down to get her
back to the camp fire that evening.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
She didn't want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah, and she wouldn't talk about it for a few days.
She finally got worse. She would talk about it, but
after seeing it, she she is kind of locked up
a little bit. And when you see one of these things,
you know, really and truly your mind has to process it.
You go through a processing factor there that where you

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question yourself. You trying to tell yourself nine ways Saturday,
you didn't see what you saw.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Because there's no more deniability before when you you know,
you've heard people say they're real or or whatever. Have
you seen them on television, you know, you haven't seen
it with your own eyes. So you can always say, oh,
this is a game or this is just for fun,
until you lay eyes on it, and then there's no
more deniability.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Yeah, that's why I say, you know, it changes people.
It really does, because it opens your eyes to the
fact that you know, make sure you ask that question,
if this is out there, what else is out there
you know that we don't know about. Like Sheila had
said earlier, you know, when we first started this, we
were going to be strictly in the big Foot realm.

(55:26):
That was it. Nothing else. That's kind of hard to do.
Once you venture off down down this path some ways
that other things come up that you you know, just
you get a crave and you have to check into it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Absolutely, what else has popped up with your Bigfoot research?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Well, She'll has had some strange occurrences across the road
on her.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
We had a patient pass one night and it was
about ten and I was just leaving the house and
I was over close to Helen, actually close to Bricetown,
Ball and it is very remote out there and very dark.
And at the time I drove a lifted jeep, so
it was going down the dark road, and you know,

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I'm scanning from left to right for deer because I
don't want to I'm half asleep and I don't want
to hit a deer on the way home because most
of the spots there's no signal. So I'm going and
something on the left moves on the left side of
the road and it it I don't know. In one jump,
it was in the the on the yellow line of
the road, and then the second jump there was like

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a ridge, like a forty five degree angle. It stuck
that ridge, you know, like halfway up. I mean, I've
never seen anything move this fast, but it was on
all fours and it was so black, it was blacker
than what was behind it. And the outline looked like
a huge German shepherd. That's the only way I can

(57:01):
describe it. And like I said, my jeep was lifted,
so it come up like halfway to my grill. It
stuck that ridge and went up there so fast, and
all I could think about was the stories of all
these you know, dog men. Everybody talks about dog men,
how they try to wreck cars or they can pull over,
and that's all that kept going through my mind. And
I was, you know, I just was going as fast

(57:23):
as I could, be honest with you, until I got
a signal. I called Scott and I did. I took
Scott back the next day and I said, this is
where it went went up and there was huge canine tracks.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, the canine tracks showed me. And like I said earlier,
you know, I've hunted fished all my life, and river
bottoms and swamps and pretty much anything that can be
hunting fish for I've done it. And doing that, you
know you've become you have to become a pretty good
tracker and things like that, and you have to understand wildlife.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Well.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
When Sheila shows me these tracks, I get to study
on them pretty hard. And these are the hugest CA
nine tracks I had ever seen in my life. And
I've seen wolf tracks, but these were different. These The
head of these tracks was elongated, and when I say elongated,
I mean to the tune of about six and a

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half inches back to a narrow type hill on the
on the center pad. And when I first saw it.
I'm thinking myself, well, maybe it slid. And as I
go up to the next track, it's the same way.
And I start climbing this ridge and she's telling me
not to climb up that ridge. And I'm going on
up the ridge. And when I get to the top,
their sand up there, which just reaffirmed my thoughts when

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I saw the tracks up there of what I what
I was seeing on that ridge was correct, and the
side of the ridge was too steep. In the top
of the ridge, there wasn't enough depth of impression to
make a casting of those, because I would have loved
to make a cast of those.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
We got pictures of it. I try to take pictures
of everything. I mean, when we're in the woods sometimes
and I tell you, like when you're someplace and all
of a sudden, the birds stop, everything stops. I mean,
there's no sound and you feel the tension.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I'll listen. All I need is like a twig break
or something. I do. I start taking random pictures, a
lot of pictures. We were coming back from a logging road.
We were hiking on a logger road in Helen, Georgia,
and we knew we were being followed we had seen
tracks some way up there, but we knew we were
being followed and we were headed back to us an

(59:38):
area and I caught movement to the right and Scott
said it too. I'm taking pictures and he's walking over
to try to go around it. And that's probably one
of the best pictures I've ever taken. And whatever it
was in there, had it had the area had been destroyed.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
She says, one of the best pictures we've ever taken
us actually, one of the best picture as I've ever seen,
and not saying that because we took it, but it's
it's clear, and we don't put that one out on
social media or anything like that, just because I don't
want to see that particular picture round on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, there's a lot of believers believers, but there's
a lot of disbelievers. I'm sure you know that too.
You got to pick and choose. So we take the
good with the bad. And the only thing I can
tell skeptics that wants to sit back and laugh is
come go with us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
That's it. Nothing else. We can definitely show you good
eating and uh, you know it plays a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, absolutely, Searching for a bigfoot and fly fishing. Sounds
like a wonderful life. And you guys live out in
the country and that just sounds amazing. I mean, I
can't imagine the joy that you guys feel living out
in the middle of nowhere and being able to go
out there looking for sasquatch and nature and hanging out
with like minded people. That it's got to be amazing, amazing.

(01:01:01):
I live the same life, so I understand, and it's
just a lot of fun being out there seeing the
wildlife and joining the piece of the forest. And Yeah,
the fact that you guys had these encounters and all
these experiences out there, that's just amazing. What kind of
feeling did you have, Sila when you saw that sasquatch
hiding behind the tree? I know you were shaking, But

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what went through your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You try to just just like your brain goes through
like a card catalog, you know what is that because
you're trying to justify it, but you don't have anything
to like in it too. So I knew it wasn't
a bear. I knew it wasn't a bear. And there's
what else would be in the woods dressed like a
huge man wearing a red coat and looked like you
had clay for a face or whatever. You know, you're

(01:01:49):
going through like your old crap files. Like Scott said,
I knew what I saw, but I was trying so
hard to explain it away in my mind on the way.
I kept telling Scott that was a bear, that I
had to be a bear, but it wasn't a bear.
And it took me about three days before I I
knew what it was. And it was so funny because

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I talked to a guy that was in the same
spot I want to say it was the year before
or something before, and he had not told anybody, but
he had seen caught a glimpse of one, and he
had not told him the color of what he saw.
And when I told him the color, that was the
same color. So you know, I knew whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I know what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I would not have looked that way had it not
made that noise, and I took a step back and
looked to where the noise come from. So you know,
it had to want me to see it, otherwise, you know,
he could have been right there, probably would have never
seen it. Had a clue.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah, the same way with me when our buddy if
he hadn't saw it move, just a slight movement up
there and hollered me that something was up on the
ridge where he was at. Yeah, he could eased in
out of there, and none of us ever saw him
just watching up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
And were either one of you able to see facial
features on the creature when Sheila saw it behind the
tree or when you saw it behind a rock. Could you,
guys distinguish any features that really stuck out?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
The biggest thing that stuck out to me is, you know,
even it didn't have a neck. There was no neck.
This thing was huge. The left shoulders on the left
side of the tree, the right shoulders on the right
side of the tree. The face looked like like leather,
dried clay or something, but there was no you know,
I'm thinking this thing is will we covered, you know,
and fur? I'm thinking that's what they looked like. But

(01:03:39):
his face was not covered in fur. It had these
big dark eyes and the leather face. That's about the
biggest thing, you know, I can see in my mind's eye,
you know, just having a flashback. But it's not like
he had blue eyes or green eyes or anything like that.
It just but I'm gonna tell you this, it wasn't
what I say saw was not an ape. It had

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more human characteristics than any animal. But obviously something's going
on for it to move that fast.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Yeah, yeah, that and I actually thank me. And she
has seen the same one. The colors were the same,
the facial color was the same. And when she's saying clay,
she's speaking of a grayish type clay, and that everybody
you know always talks about that conical shaped head, this

(01:04:36):
one right here that coconuts just as round as mine yours, yea.
And he appears to have no neck. But I personally
believe that there trapezoid muscles, miltial muscles up there. You know,
they're they're just so well defined and built that they're
like a linebacker or something, you know, where those traps

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come up up to like in the base of their neck.
What makes them appear to have because I've heard people
talk about, oh, they can't turn they don't have a
neck or or anything. They can't turn their head. But
that's not true because I've I've physically watched two of
them turn the head, turn that neck.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, I guess it's It just depends on like how
stocky they are, like a huge bodybuilder can't really turn
its neck. But if it's not big and bulky, I'm
sure it can turn its neck. The sasquatch that I encountered,
he was able to turn his neck. It wasn't like
he had to turn his whole body.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
He was able to look over at me, right, m
that's and that's the way these were. The one we
seen behind the rock. Now we saw that one behind
the rock on thermals, so you know, not a lot
of good facial definition to be able to see, but
it was all the good outline and everything was you

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know great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, is that the thermal that's up at the Sasquatch
Expedition Museum in Georgia. They have like I don't know,
like a side by side in there, and there's like
a laptop sitting in the side by side with that
plays like this thermal footage. But I think that's from
the bf R O. I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I believe I believe it is. No, that's not it.
It's it's very similar to that, but no, that's not
the footage of it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah, that's that's amazing though. Either way. The girl that
was able to see it through the thermal device. That
wasn't Kristin. Was it that sounds like Kristen that I
interviewed and she's from Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
No, it was It wasn't Kristen. We know Kristin, but
it wasn't her. It was another younger lady that was
with us. And I heard I heard him, And as
soon as I heard it, and I was scanning with
my thermal, I picked him up and I handed it
to her for her to look at. And when she
was looking at it and everything, she was explaining to

(01:06:55):
me everything what was going on with him. All of
a sudden, I see her go painting with that thermal
and uh, she said, this thing took off running and
then she says, and it runs like a man. And uh.
She walked and run as far as she could. She
handed me that thermal back, and she was ready to
get back to that campfire like right then. And I

(01:07:17):
had to rain her back in a good bit, because
I mean she was she was ready to leave. Her
excitement and everything had her wanting to get around a
lot of the folks. No, it hadn't slowed her down
a bit. She goes with us on just about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Everyone Yeah, that's amazing, and it sounds like you guys
are on the right track. You've found a lot of
good areas with all the scouting you've done, and you
guys just seem to know where to be. And you know,
a lot of researchers or people that put on these
expeditions just go to past places where people have had sightings.

(01:07:57):
But that's good that you guys are in there scouting
and trying to find recent activity. And I feel like
that's key when you're trying to take people out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I do too, because I truly truly believe we frequent
a few areas and hot spots, but I think they
recognize us.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
And knowing that we, you know, and we keep a
check on these areas, you know a lot. And when
I say a lot, probably I hate to know what
our true gas bill is about how much we spend
running back and forth in these places. But and that's
the reason we do it, you know, is keeping a
check on it and everything. And when you carry people out,

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we want to carry them to the most active location
that we possibly can, and so you know, they it
ups their chances of getting experienced their own encounter. And
I do know what you're talking about about other people
going out and everything just going to past areas in
which we've seen that, and that's you know, that's not

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how we try to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Absolutely. You know you're in a good area when you
have like vocalizations taking place in the daytime, when they're
slamming on trees during the day and it's like, Okay,
we need to go back here. And it seems like
when you go back, more and more things unfold.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yes, it really does.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
It does.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
And seeing frequent these areas so much, I truly believe
they know our vehicles when they pull up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, it seems like they're attracted to you. Do you
feel like they followed you to your new home where
you live out in the wilderness or do you think
just by chance they're out there too. I'm sure you
scoped out that area for a reason, and possibly because
there's been sasquatch sightings out there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
No, we had no idea when we bought this cabin
and the other cabin we were releasing as a crow flies.
It's probably what about ten miles. Ten miles is not
that far from the first cabin we leased, and the
areas we go to honestly within these mountain ranges right around.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Us, so well as far as our house. We actually
didn't have any idea when we bought the home.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Didn't take us long though, didn't take long to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Find out, but we didn't have any idea about it.
In one of our neighbors, once he found out that
we did this, he was so excited because he finally
had somebody right close here he could talk to about it,
because he's had a couple of siding hisself here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
He'll text us, He'll be at home and he'll text
Scott and say step outside, and you know, we'll step
outside and you'll hear the prettiest howls. Or one night,
Scott he had text Scott and Scott was on the
front porch and he called me out there and there's
a creep behind our house. And I can't tell this
is probably the scariest thing I ever heard. It sounded
like a war cry or battle cry right by the water,

(01:10:48):
and you know, it just made me kind of like,
you know, like a rabbit when it gets scared. It's
hunker's down right there. You didn't know what to do.
That thing was so loud. And then about fifteen seconds
later across the yard on the other woodline something your back,
So I don't know what was going down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Yeah, everyone's in a great, great while. It always seems
to happen during the spring and during the fall. It's
that we have some of the move some more that
moved through here, and it's kind of like those two
see each other and there's like a clash and we've
only gotten here it a couple of times, but it's
it's kind of like two tightens up on that ridge

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that they're fighting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Yeah, that's incredible. It seems like these things are some
sort of super predator and once they catch your scent,
they can follow you for many miles away, or it's
just simply something supernatural that we don't understand. What are
your thoughts about that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Oh, you know, that's that's a very good question. We
get asked a lot. We had a very very good friend, Virus.
He's passed away now, but I really enjoyed his theory
on these things, and he studied them a lot. He
thought he actually thought that there were two different types

(01:12:07):
of these things, one that was a strictly flesh and
blood animal and then one that he like to call
a hybrid that was a type that had other powers
and could could do interdimensional travel and things like that.
And when you would sit down and talk to him
and listen to why he had his theories he made,

(01:12:29):
he made really good sense about what he was saying,
because you know, it just it takes a physical being
to leave a track.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
And then where did the tracks go?

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Yeah? And then where does that track go?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
When we first started, we thought it was just flesh
and blood and that was it at the end. But
that's not the taste anymore. There's so much unexplained where
did the tracks go? And we've heard so much other
stuff that just is unexplainable. There has to be so
what they call WU with this, that's yeah, we've heard

(01:13:05):
portals and it used to we think, oh, that's crazy,
there's no such thing as portals. Well that's changed.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah, you heard so many people talking about I'm disappearing
and everything. And I can account for some of that
parts about the disappearing with one thing, the uh, the
one that I got to see when he dropped down.
If I had a that moment, had been blinking my
eyes and there have been a little foliers there. He'd

(01:13:33):
been going without me seeing him drop down, but I
got to see him drop down. I mean it was
so fast. An Olympic athlete is not as fast as
one of these things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Absolutely. And the fact that the tracks just disappear that
I hear that a lot, especially the stories where people
follow tracks in the snow and giant fields and they
say that the tracks just end. And that's scary to
think about because a lot of times I find just
one track in the middle of a trail and it's like,
where are the other tracks? Maybe it just took a

(01:14:05):
giant leap and landed in the middle of the trail
and then didn't leave any any sign behind.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yeah, And we found another thing too that you know,
when you do find a track, us as humans, and
you know, we think of our own selves, we start
looking at that three foot range for the next track.
You have to look further than that. For that next track.
You're gonna be looking to that four or five foot stripe.

(01:14:35):
And we have also found that there's not a track
where you're looking, so you give up. But if you
go a little bit further you may find another one.
But like with a snow deal, Yeah, there's just no
accounting for that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Yeah, and there's reports where people have seen sasquatch and
they just vanish into thin air, which, you know, it
sounds out there. Like you said, all that sounds crazy.
But the more you start researching this topic, the more
you start believing all that, especially when it comes to
other cryptids. Once you get into the bigfoot subject had
on you start learning about like dog Man and other

(01:15:12):
cryptid creatures, and you have a few experiences and you
believe it. Especially when you see a sasquatch. It's like, Okay,
if this is real and that's out there in the woods,
what else is real that people are you know, describing
and talking.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
About exactly exactly, you know, And a lot of people
say that, well, those folks are crazy and everything. Well
those people that say that they weren't the ones that
were standing there that saw whatever those folks saw.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And people say, well, how can you believe that, I've
never seen a big foot? Blah blah blah. And you know,
I tell them this, you know, I believe in God.
I've never seen God, but I'm one hundred and ten
percent sure. You know, I believe in God, but I've
seen a bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what kind of gear do you guys
use on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
The As far as our thermals, we use a GM
type thermals. There's another one that we use is infra
in for Infra X, Infra red X and then Flear products.
Those are our thermals that we utilize.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
How does the AGM perform and are you able to
record video with it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
You can record video with it. We use the seven fifteen,
which is the performance of it is outstanding. It has
like a seven and fifty yard range on it, very
wide field of view, twelve power zoom. It's actually, in
my opinion, it's actually better than the Flear the infrared

(01:16:48):
X that we use now. Also it utilizes your cell
phone for your viewing screen and small tope camera that
has a high high resolution, very high refresh numbers on it,

(01:17:10):
and unbelievable range on that thing with the fifteen power zoom.
I'm tending to like it a lot for the simple
reason it's not a monocular type. You're looking at a screen.
It doesn't hurt your eyes. You can look at that
thing all night and not hurt your eyes. And we're
so we're leaning into that a good bit. The only

(01:17:30):
problem with finding with it is it will burn a
battery down on our cell phone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, I'd like to check it out sometime. Maybe you
and Sheila can come out to Missouri one day and
do an expedition with me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Oh you know that that's awesome because we had some
people contact us. We're you know, people contact usn't tell
and tell us they're having problems and we try to
help them out. We truly do going out there to
look and blah blah blah. But we had somebody contact
us from Missouri that was having problems and ask if
we'd be willing to go out there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, well, if you do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
We put a lot, Like I said, we put a
lot of information and everything out of our TikTok page
and that was one of the things that we had
put out on one of our things there. And the
feedback that came from it was overwhelming to say the least.
And uh and like she said, Missouri was one of
the places and we talked to and responded with those

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folks pretty good. Bit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah, hopefully they got the problem resolved. And it's hard
to keep up with so many people. I'm sure you
have folks all the time saying you need to get
out here. You need to go over here, you need
to come out to my house. And it's hard to
find time.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Our schedule is pretty pretty swamped, and it's you know,
but I tell you we're both retired. Well, I'm retired.
She retired and then she just decided to grow up
and become a hospice nurse. So she does that now.
But this is actually turned into a full time gig.

(01:19:08):
I mean, and I always heard that old saying, you know,
if you find something that you love to do, it's
not really like working, And that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Absolutely. You both are retired law enforcement. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Yeah? Yeah, I of those over twenty three years. And
I'm also a naval veteran. Wow. And I joined in
with a group it's called Project Hell and Waters a
long time back, and it's for disabled vets and it's
a fly fishing group. And that that organization is a

(01:19:43):
super organization. Anybody that's a disabled vet that would want
to venture into fly fishing or anything, those are some
nice people to get in touch with. Great starting point.
That's where I got my starting point and carried it
on from there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
I love trout fishing. I've never went fly fishing. But
it looks like a lot of fun when you when
you do law enforcement, you use all this gear and
you're basically tracking down hominids. So when you switched over
to bigfoot research, you're essentially doing the same thing. You're
using the same gear and you're using your discernment to

(01:20:22):
distinguish a situation. And do you feel like what you've
learned with law enforcement has helped you with the research?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Definitely?

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Oh yes, oh yes, the the part about the investigating
part and everything. A lot of the type things go
hand in hand. And yes, without that prior training, we
probably wouldn't be the positions we're in today.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I think the biggest thing for me is, you know,
you this is not free law enforcement, it's just for whoever.
You better use your inoition that comes in very handy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, everyone you know, they want to they
want to get into this and everything and in which
it is very enjoyable. It can be trying sometimes, but
the one thing I tell everybody is you become a
good woodsman that understand the animals that are in your
area or the area. You're going to be very knowledgeable

(01:21:19):
of all them ah and become a very good, very
good Woodsman.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Yeah, absolutely, And these things leave so many signs in
the woods and it's hard to track them down. I'm
sure when you guys were on duty, you were able
to track down suspects and handcuff them and arrest them.
But this creature, it's like where's Waldo. You're trying to
find them, and it's like he just left a handprint

(01:21:48):
on the vehicle. You know, the mystery always continues.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Yes, that's what makes it so interesting too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
You go feel them fither down that rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Yeah, absolutely, And what do you where do you guys
plan on taking the expeditions and what are your plans
in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Well, we kind of got pulled into speaking of a
few commerces and we started doing that a little bit,
and we've kind of said that, you know, we wouldn't
do that, but there we are, and it's we're going
to continue going with it as we have. We stay

(01:22:33):
busy enough with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
That's our first and foremost thing, because we're doing what
we like to do and I don't want to sway
from that. If that makes any sense, you know, I'd
be happy to talk about it, you know, answer any
questions but that's our priority right now. We do this year,
we've done three expeditions, but we do have a private one,

(01:22:57):
So if there's enough of people we do we'll do
the private ones as well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Yeah, because a lot a lot of folks there, their
time frame doesn't equal up to what we've scheduled, but
they have enough people to do it where at a
certain time, and we try to accommodate those folks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Also, So we're just going to keep doing what we do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
And yeah, you know, if anyone has a feeling that
they don't think they're physically fitting us or anything like that,
you know, we accommodate that also. Like few were saying earlier,
we have a sitting group that's h and that's the
primary folks that either can't or just don't want them

(01:23:39):
hike out in the middle of the wilderness at night.
And a lot of times that sitting group has as
much and more activity than HI group does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Because we're their entertainment. That's what I tell everybody. I mean,
if you sit around that campfire, you just talk and
have good time whatever, they're going to come in because
they don't feel, you know, threatened, they get a little
bit closer if you sit there you're quiet, listening for
every little you know noise, then they're going to be quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
These things are these things are very curious and they
come in and check things out. I mean. And it's
so we're not like trying to be like hunters or
anything like that. Stalk and pray. We want to make
a little noise, you know, and arouse things interesting to
come look at us. It's a whole lot easier for

(01:24:27):
them to come look at you than you go find him.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
And we tell everybody what happens or what you hear,
what you see, that that's the truth. There's nobody out
there in a monkey suit. We're not paying anybody to
be out there in the woods making sound. I mean,
what what you see is what you get. We never
ever try to scare anybody. That's that's not what we do.
You know, If you're scared, then tell us. And if

(01:24:51):
we give this whole little speech before before we go out,
Scott always tells everybody, you know, whatever you do, if
anything happens, you don't run, because once you run, you've
become prey. Now, he tells them too, if you see
me or Sheila running, you better try to stay called up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
That's true. Yeah, I mean it's and you'd be surprised
that the folks you know that have come go with us.
And for some of these people, you know, they've never
camp before, they won't get in the outdoors and have
these type experiences, and we welcome them. Also, we helped
put their tents together and things like that, and we did,

(01:25:29):
like I said, we just do our best to accommodate
each and every person that wants to come and go
on with these.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Yeah, we and we established a base camp. So, like
I say, everybody's camp. If they're in a tin or
a little trailer or whatever, that's fine. We've had people
come that, you know that's decided to camp on the
edge of base camp before after we went out, you know,
they come back that night, they didn't sleep all night.
They got up and set by the fire all night
because of all that activity they were having at their tent.

(01:25:56):
So of course the next day they relocated their tent.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting situation.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
I don't know what it is, but between like three
and five or six is like you know, of course
the week an hour and it seems like that's anything's
going to come into your camp. That's when they're going
to come in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, always when you least expect it. And I believe
that's key is knowing in your mind that these things
are a lot closer than what you'd think. And I
think the logical person would think we need to go
deeper into the wilderness, we need to explore every inch
of this park, which is impossible to do, especially when
you're in a national forest. But if you're aware of

(01:26:35):
your surroundings and that these things will do something when
you least expect it, I think that's the best place
to get activities around base camp because, like you said,
they're going to approach you, and they're curious creatures by nature,
and they're always watching.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
That's right. Have you had the opportunity to go to
that expedition Bigfoot the museum there in Terry.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Low, Yeah, I've been there before. David wasn't in there
when I went, but his wife was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
You know. You know that as you go through that place,
they have a life sized replicat I mounted sasquatch in there.
And we live in this region, so every once in
a while, if I were one of our expeditions is
close enough, we like to take our group up there
to the museum and let the folks you know, see that,

(01:27:24):
and because a lot of hadn't had the opportunity to
see it. But I do tell a lot of people,
you know, us as humans, we're natural predators and a
predator and you know this. I'm just putting it out
there the way I put it out to my clients.
A predator is a animal. Their eyes are forward facing.

(01:27:46):
As we walked through the forest and everything. We're not
looking up in the trees unless we're bird watching or
squirrel hunting or something like that. We're primarily looking for
my level down where we're walking. And I tell them,
you know, when you walk buy that replica sasquatch in
the museum, think about that and as you go buying,

(01:28:08):
if he was if there was a couple more fir
trees right there in front of him, you could walk
right by him in the woods and never seen unless
you look down and seeing his feet or having looked
up and seen his face because they blend so well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Yeah, that's a good example of what they look like.
The most memorable thing from the museum was that giant
turd that was in there. I mean, that thing was
huge and I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
It.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah, I don't know what else that would belong to,
but that thing is ginormous, very human like, but I
mean it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
She has got a picture of one really very similar.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Yeah, I'm always keeping a lookout because that's when you
know it's something unusual when it's like that size, Because
a lot of people send me photos of scat, But
this thing that's in the museum, I mean that's very
human like. But I would say or twenty times bigger
unless somebody just ate something horrible and really how to go? Yeah, yeah, definitely,

(01:29:09):
oh yeah, without a doubt. Well, if I'm ever in Georgia,
I'd like to meet up with you guys and possibly
do an expedition. I think that'd be a lot of fun.
I have a lot of gear and Yeah, likewise, if
you guys ever come to Missouri, I definitely have a
place for you guys to go and an area that's
active and you would definitely experience something, whether it's bigfoot

(01:29:30):
activity or the orbs. I mean maybe they're connected, but
you definitely experience something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Love, we'd actually love to and if you're way, definitely
give us a shout.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, how close are you to blue Ridge, Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Oh, you know, appear mileage wise is not the thing
if we kind of measure thing in time, because the
way the roads are curvy and everything we're about. We're
about thirty minutes from Blue Ridge.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
We live in like between Blue Ridge, Illa j Blairsville.
I mean, we're like in the middle of everything. It
just whatever way we pulled out of the drive, you know,
is where we're going, Like you know what direction.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
It takes us about anywhere from thirty to forty minutes
to get to any one of those places. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Absolutely, And that's big woods there. Those mountains are huge.
And some of those Forest Service roads they're not very
well maintained. I'm not going to say they're all not,
but some of the ones that I went down, it's
like you better go slow, especially if you're in a car,
because you might bottom out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
That's why we primarily stay in four wheel drives and jeeps.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Yeah, for sure. And let's see, is there anything else
that you guys would like to mention? We're running short
on time, but I'm all ears if you guys got.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
More speaking like the Forest Service roads and things like that,
anybody that would like to come now, we have people
where our base camps are set up. A car can
come to those base camp areas and then we utilize
different vehicles, you know, to go to our areas where
we're gonna be, which you're usually not far away.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Yeah. If if anybody has any questions or is just curious,
just go to TikTok. I try to actually post most
of the stuff on TikTok. We have Facebook and the
tik talk. I don't post everything, but it'll give you
a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Yeah, absolutely, do you guys have a website.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
That website just we just use the Facebook and TikTok
and uh yeah, that keeps us both busy enough.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Okay, that sounds good. And I will use the name
and the title of this podcast. And if anyone's interested,
definitely check out Scott and Sheila's page and do an
expedition with them. And I think you won't be disappointed.
From what it sounds like. There's a lot of activity
taking place in these areas that they research at, and
I definitely think it's worth people's time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
We really appreciate you having us on your show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Absolutely, thank you so much Scott and Shila for being
a guest on the channel and it was an absolute
pleasure speaking with both of you. That wraps up our
conversation with Scott and Shila Squatch Fishing Outfitters. Their stories
prove that the North Georgia Mountains hold more than just wilderness.
They hold secrets waiting to be uncovered. If you want

(01:32:24):
to connect with them or even join one of their expeditions,
check out Squatch Fishing Outfitters where fly fishing and sasquatch
encounters collide. Remember whether it's Georgia, Kentucky's Land between the lakes,
or right outside your own back door, the truth is
closer than you think. Thanks for listening to Sasquatch Theory
and if you guys can like this podcast calming down below,

(01:32:47):
subscribe to the channel. And if you guys can pick
yourself up some merchandise right now. If you have a
bigfooter crypton encounter that you would like to share with
me here on the channel, please get in touch with
me sometime at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. I
know there's a lot of people listening who have seen
these things and they are really hesitant about speaking up

(01:33:10):
about their sightings. But I feel like it's beneficial. This
information needs to be shared with the public so people
are aware that these things are out there. Who knows,
your encounter story could cause a chain reaction of people
opening up about their own experiences in the same area,
So don't be hesitant reach out and I would love

(01:33:32):
to hear about your encounters. I want to take a
moment to thank all the listeners, but I also want
to give a special thanks out to everyone who has
supported the channel, the people that have sent me gear
or some type of donation. Thank you guys very much,
and I think about you each and every day and
you've helped out the channel so much, so I really

(01:33:52):
appreciate it. Thank you guys so much for keeping the
channel going until the next one. You guys, be safe
out in the forest.
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