JASON FINDS TRACKS AND STRUCTURES IN THE FLORIDA WILDERNESS | LEGENDS OF THE FLORIDA SWAMP APE! - SASQUATCH THEORY

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory, where we dive deep into
the mysteries of Bigfoot, dog Man, and the Unexplained. In
today's episode, we head down to the swamps of Florida
to hear from Jason, a self described swamp rat with
some incredible experiences. Jason has found jaw dropping tracks in
the Florida wilderness and documented them with high quality photographs.

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He's also discovered strange tree structures, including tpee formations that
suggest something far more powerful than humans at work. While
in the woods with his family, Jason heard eerie whistles
echoing through the forest and even voices calling for help
that left him to unsettled to investigate. Jason believes without

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a doubt these tracks and structures are the work of
the Skunk Ape. Along with his crypti encounters, Jason has
lived in a haunted house and faced intense paranormal activity,
making his story one of the most unique we've ever
shared here on Sasquatch Theory. You won't want to miss
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With all that being said, let's dive straight into Jason's

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swamp ape encounters from the state of Florida. Today, we
are interviewing Jason from the state of Florida, and he

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has found some very compelling tracks out in the Florida
wilderness and some amazing tree structures. Jason, Welcome to Sasquatch Theory.
How are you doing today.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Absolutely it's a pleasure to have you on the show. Jason,
if you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences from
the very beginning, please.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay, Well, my name is Jason and I'm fifty two
years old. I lived just outside of Daytona Beach, Florida,
and I've lived here ever since nineteen eighty. I'm a
swamp rat in the woods, runner and not too much.
I haven't experienced out in the woods that I can't explain,
but you know, the older I got, there was things

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that I just couldn't explain. I mean, I've been out
hunting before in Seminole State Forest down the road from me.
Last year, was out hunting with a friend of mine
and we were a mile back in the swamp. It
had just rained heavily the night before. It was probably
about thirty five degrees that morning, and we were on

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a trail about a mile back and there was a
pool in the natural depression and I was getting ready
to cross it when I looked down and saw a
bear hamited footprint, and It's like, well, that's nobody's walking
around out here barefoot. And uh, you know, especially at night,

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in the rain, out in the swamp a mile back,
nobody's walking around out there like that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So I took pictures of it.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And uh, probably about a size eight I'm a side
size eleven as five toes. And then I saw the
other footprint on the other side or whatever it was,
a step across. The only thing I can think of
is that it had to be a scumcape. The other
side of the of a Highway forty six is a
Rock Springs Wildlife Management Area and I've been back there

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hunting before. Out there squirrel hunting with my son a
couple of years ago, and we were way back up
in the in the back part of the property and
we got out onto an old fire break. We're walking along,
I'm out front, I'm looking for signs of squirrels. Didn't
really see too much, and all of a sudden, it's
got this weird feeling like something kept telling me not

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to go any further. I kept going a little bit
further just to see what was going on, and it
just really got intense, and I didn't want to put
my son in danger because he was a lot younger
at the time, and so I went on ahead and
told him, you know, hey, I don't see any sign.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Let's go on in and turn around.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
And as soon as he turned around started to walk back,
I opened up my shotgun, took out the bird shot
and put some slugs in there, and I kept an
eye on the back trail. There's a wildlife sanctuary that
I grew up running around in. I've seen bears, I've
seen coyotes, I've seen pretty much everything in the state
of Florida. And put in a panther back there, and

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I was back there with my wife one time, and
we were about three miles back by the river, and
you know, being a swamp rat, I've heard pretty much
everything here in the state of Florida, and all of
a sudden, I heard this this weird whistle noise, kind
of like a kind of like a bird but not
And it's nothing here in the state of Florida, and
I can't whistle, so I can't emulate it. But I

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got an uneasy feeling like I was being watched by
something not necessarily threatening, but being watched by, like an
apex predator, just being studied and observed. So I just
told her, hey, you know, look at the time, we
need to go, and just you know, unsnapped the whole
straw on my revolver, just to make sure that, you know,
if I needed to pull it out, I didn't have

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that extra step. And we rode off. We were on bicycles,
and we rode off. South of Orlando is the Green Swamp,
and there was a friend of mine had a gun
range back there at one time, and it was way
back in the deep part of the green Swamp, and
there was no other houses around. The next the closest

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dwelling was like maybe a half mile away, and they
built up the more modern part of the facility. They
were still using just earthen berms, and I work overnights.
I was asleep one night and he starts trying to
get a hold of me, and my phone's off when
I'm asleep, and so he started to message my wife, Hey,

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I need to talk to Jason.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Get him up.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
And it was probably January when this happens. It was
really cold out and.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, he said that.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
I called him back. He said that he was out
there and these two guys are combat veterans. Their guns
were in their truck. They were starting to walk back
and I started hearing wood knocking back behind the berms
in the swamp, and then they heard an answer on
the other side that freaked them out, and they jumped
in the truck and took off. I was out there
doing some training and there's a big canal on the

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property and I walked over to it and I'm sandered,
just walking around looking and I look down and there's
a homined footprint that's unshod, and it's like nobody's walking
around here in this swamp at night. Because the mosquitoes
are the size of helicopters. They'll pick you up and
carry off. And plus there's water moxins and an eat
foot gator that patrols that canal. But it was in

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a position where if you were gonna squat down and
reach down to get some water and cup it in
your hand and take a drink, that's where you would
place your foot. And it kind of slid a little
bit because it was on an incline. So I stood
back behind it and I mimicked it, and then when
I stood up, I planted my foot and then I
looked where I saw that footprint, looked over in the reeds,

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and there was the other one, and so I called
everybody over.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
To show them, and.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
The owner of the property is like, see, I told
you I heard something, and there's proof that there's you know, footprints.
So yeah, I mean I never doubted you. Those pictures
unfortunately didn't come out very well, but yeah, those are
pretty much my experiences here in Central Florida.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
All right, Jason, thank you very much for sharing that
with me. And it sounds like you found some really
good tracks, and yeah, the photos that you shared were
very interesting. They definitely looked like Skunk Cape tracks. What's
your opinion about it? Do you think there's any chance
it could be human or do you think that this
is something unknown?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It has to be something unknown, It has to be
a skuncape, because again, it was raining that night, heavily.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
It was probably about thirty degrees that morning, about a
mile back in the swamp. There's nobody walking around unshod
back there, and to my knowledge, there's nobody who's faral
living back in that area either.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, And the impression looks pretty deep too. I
feel like if a human step there wouldn't be that
that deep and defined.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I'm probably thinking, like I said, it was about a
size eight. I'm a size eleven. I was six foot tall.
It very well could have been six foot tall and
just solid muscle. And that's why I left a deeper
impression because I stepped next to it, and I mean
mine wasn't that deep.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, And did you get a strange feeling when you
were in that area, like you're being watched or like
it was too quiet?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
No? Not necessarily, I mean it was it was fairly quiet,
and nothing was really moving anyway, because it was still
kind of drizzly and cold, so nothing's really going to
come out. I was squirrel hunting with a friend of mine,
so nothing's really going to come out of their little
hammocks up in the trees to go run around looking
for food and that type of weather. I didn't get
any weird feelings there, but like I said, across the

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street in the other WMA, you know, I got weird
feelings on that fire break. It takes a lot to
rattle me, and it was a little unnerving knowing that
something you know was sitting there. Just I got that
gut feeling don't go any further. And I've been with
some buddies of mine, we probably would have pressed on

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just to go see what it was, but I wasn't
gonna put my son at risk.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, I don't blame you. And did you believe in
Bigfoot prior to find finding the tracks?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah. And you've heard about about these things from locals
from friends.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
What's that as far as the skunk Cape or yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
You've heard about local legends of the Skunkcape.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Not so much in my area. I grew up in
the suburbs.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And it's just stuff that I read about because growing up,
obviously we didn't have the internet. And we didn't have
YouTube or anything, but uh, you know, just reading about
it through uh seminal Indian lure and uh, you know,
books on Bigfoot and they'd mentioned it, you know, the
the Florida cousin being smaller. And I've always believed in them.

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I mean, there's there's so much evidence to prove that
they exist.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Very cool, and yeah, I agree, there's a lot of
proof out there, a lot of people with encounter stories
that you just can't deny. They seem really sincere. And yeah,
just the evidence. I mean there's a lot of sign
out there that people find, whether it's perfect tracks they've
casted them, structures, strange videos, trailcam photos, I mean, the

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list goes on. I mean people have been seeing these
things all around the world for many generations.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, I'm going to put you in touch with a
friend of mine who he pig hunts down in a
green swamp and he's got pictures of them. You know,
he's physically seen them. He's encountering them up in North Florida.
He's in the military and he's been up in Canada
doing joint training exercises. He's heard them in the valleys
up there and the Canadian military even knew about it.

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They're like, yeah, those are our neighbors. We leave them alone,
they leave us alone. So you're really going to have
an interesting time talking with him. He's got a lot
more stories.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Than I do.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh man, I can't wait. What did he see in Florida?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
What do you see in Florida?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, he's got pictures of them that he took while
he was out pig hunting down in the Green Swamp
and the green Swamp south of Orlando, and it pretty
much runs from Polk County to Sumter County and for
those people, for those who don't live in Florida, that's
pretty big. And of course, and I had my encounter
out there in the green Swamp also, but he's physically

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seen them. He's got pictures of them up in North Florida.
They were on training exercises in the middle of the night.
He's a sergeant in the army, and he had on
his night vision and they were moving through this one
woodline and he kept get this feeling that they were
being followed, and he turned around and looked with a
night vision and he saw one ducking behind the trees,

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following them. The entire time, So I mean he's he's
actually seen them up in North Florida as well.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And then, like I said, up in the.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Hinterlands of Canada, they were going through a valley and
they started hearing like wooden knocking in the middle of
the night up on the hills around them, And he said,
is that what I think it is? They said, yeah,
those are our neighbors. We leave them alone. They leave
bust alone. So even the Canadian military knows about them.
But he's got a lot of stories, he's got pictures, he's.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Got a lot of evidence. You're really going to enjoy
talking with him.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, that'll be amazing. Have you returned to the area
where you found the tracks to look for more evidence
or possibly look for these creatures actively?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
No, I have not.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I have been back out in that area since to
go hunting, and in that area it it hadn't rained
or anything when I went back to it, so I
didn't see anything. I have been invited by one of
the groups here in Central Floor order to go on
bigfoot hunts. They primarily hang out in the Green Swamp area.

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But I have mentioned to them about Seminal State Forest
and we're gonna try and organize something to go out there.
It's just working overnights. My time is different from everybody else.
I would like to actually go out there and find
more evidence or actually see one. I'm a believer. I'm
not a knower, but I am a believer because I

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haven't physically seen one yet.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah. Absolutely. And what do you think these creatures are?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I think they're just a species under themselves. I don't
think they're an ape. I don't think they're a human.
I think they're like something in between. They're just a
hominid species under themselves. You know, some people think that
they could be the missing link. I just think that they're,
you know, just an animal under themselves.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I don't think they're
a people, and I don't think they're necessarily primate. I
just think they're sasquatch, their own classification of whatever they are.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, they're they're like you know, they're they're like a
bear or an alligator. I mean, they're just their their
own animal.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
They're they're not a subspecies of anything else.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
The only thing that I can think of is that
obviously the big Foot up in Canada and the Pacific
northwest there people say eight nine feet tall. Here in Florida,
everything smaller because it's so hot. Our bears are smaller,
our panthers are smaller, or bigfoot are smaller. You know,
they only get to be about six feet tall.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, that's a really good point actually, And I wonder
if there are any big ones out there, like for
a majority of the skun capes, maybe they're smaller. But
if there's like a huge male in the area, like
how big would it actually get.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Kind of like an alpha male. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
You know, there's the legend of Boggy Creek and they
never did really give a size comparison of how big
that is. And that's up in foul Arkansas, But of
course that's that's far more north than Florida. So maybe
that's you know, a breakoff of something from the Texas
hill Country or the Ozarks or something like that. But

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down here, I don't know. There I would I wouldn't
think that they would get much more than six feet
just because the more body mass, the hotter it's going
to be, and the hotter, the harder it is going to.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Be the shed heat.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
And anybody that's lived in Florida. Been around Florida during
the summer, you know, our eleven months of summer. You
get hot and you stay hot. So that's why everything
tends to be smaller to help this pay heat faster.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah. Absolutely. Did you ever see that episode that less
Stroud put out of the I don't know if he
was a forest ranger, if you worked for fishing game,
but he claims that they were driving down a forest
service road and they ran one over and killed it
and they were told never to talk about it. The
guy sounded really sincere, very legit, and that happened in Florida.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
No, I didn't hear about that one. I'm gonna have
to go let you say it was less Stroud.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah. Yeah, he made a documentary about the guy. It
was a really good interview. I mean, the guy is
super credible and makes you wonder why they told him
never to speak about it.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well, the one thing I can tell you about that
is one of my friends owns a gunshop in the area.
He's in his late sixties. He said that back when
he was in his thirties, he was living over by
the west coast of Florida on the mainland side from
cedar Key and he was in the WMA over there.

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I don't recall the name of it right now, but
he said that he was He was up in a
tree stand deer hunting, and out from him there was
a road, and across the road there was a pond,
and he said that he heard brush breaking and a
little bit of noise, so.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
He picked up his rifle.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
He looked through the scope and he saw what he
thought was a person in a gilly suit come out
and then start walking along the edge of the pond
and then go back into the woods. And he was like, well,
that's kind of weird. Why would you wear something like that.
Deer hunting a great way to get shot. So he
came down. When the sun started to go down, he
got out onto the road and two other guys came

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walking up the road because they were headed back, and
he said that he asked them, hey, your buddy was
out here walking around, and like, we don't have anybody
else out here, and he said, well, this guy was
wearing a gilly suit, and they said they he said that.
They got really quiet and they said, we don't think
that was a guy in a gilly suit that we
saw that earlier. That's kind of what we thought at first,

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but you know, we would dismiss that as soon as
we got a little bit closer. And it took off.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And then my friend checked with.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
One of the fishing game officers and she had indicated
that yes, there was like cabbage monkeys, skunk gates in
the area, and she said, I'll be happy to take
you over to the other side of the property, which
you had to access through another gate that they only
had keys for, and I'll meet you over there tomorrow
by that gate and then you know, we'll go and

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you know, I'll show you some of the things that
I've seen. So he showed up over there at like
six in the morning. She never showed up, and then
finally one of the officers came by and said, yeah,
she doesn't work over here anymore. She got transferred yesterday.
So that's a little odd that they would turn around
transfer somebody from one to show, you know, bigfoot evidence.

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But he did say that in the brochure in the
back of it back in the nineties, it did mention
something alluding to the fact that there was bigfoot in
the area and not to mess with them, just leave
them alone. And that's that's an actual WA pamphlet, and

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I don't remember the name of it right now. I
can probably get it for you in a little bit, but.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, I've seen it. It's in the fishing game rules
and it says there's no taking of any skunk apes.
That was hard to believe, but I saw it. Yeah,
it's it's wild.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
So, I mean even even fishing game here in the
state of Florida recognizes it.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, that's really interesting because I interviewed a farmer in
Missouri and the forest ranger there he spoke with him
about the bigfoot activity, and later on they transferred him
somewhere else, just out of the blue.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, it's weird because they'll they'll mention it in you know,
the brochures, but then if you talk to him, then
they get rid of them, they move them.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
On to somewhere else. Yeah, it's like a little footnote.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Hey, don't mess with a big foot, don't mess with
a skunkcap. You know, we're also not going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Either, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, so much for freedom of speech.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, I mean there's a reason they're keeping it under wraps,
and who knows what that is. I mean, maybe it
is for the protection of the animal, because if Fish
and Game officially recognizes it, it ends up on the news.
You're going to have everybody out there wanting to go
out there and look around, and you're going to have
all kinds of idiots running around with guns.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
You're going to have people running around trying to you know.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Get lost in the swamp and you got they got
to go get rescued because they've never been out there before,
stuff like that. It'd just be a big circus and
probably just trying to prevent all that.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's the only thing that I can think of.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, that makes sense. It would definitely attract a lot
of strange people. And in these areas you want outdoors,
the people out there, people who respect the land, whether
they're hunting, fishing, or just camping. But just to bring
in just anyone and everyone, it would definitely ruin these areas,
especially for hunters.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, and again you'd have paranormal investigators that I've never
seen put in the flap before. They'd be running around
out there, getting lost, getting hurt. You'd have guys that
just wanted to man, I'm going to go shoot one,
just grabbing guns and running out there and.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
People are going to get hurt in one way or another.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
And that's the only thing I can think of of
why they shut it down so quick.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And they don't advertise officially.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I mean it's on the brochure, but they don't sit
there and you recognize it to the point of where
they're going to talk about it because they want to
keep that circus from happening.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah. Absolutely, and the impact that I would have on
them wildlife would just be devastating if there was so
many people in there. Then there are some listeners that
think hunting is evil, but actually there's more animals because
of hunting and it ties in with nature. I think
if you hunt for some reason, there ends up being

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more animals and it's actually beneficial to the land and
the wildlife. But if you don't hunt, it's actually really
bad for wildlife and.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Absolutely causes troubles well, especially with the apex predators being
hunted out. We had wolves in Florida up until like
the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. We had red
wolves here and they were basically exterminated. Up until about
the first part of the twenty first century, there was
only ten known left in existence, and they're probably all

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gone by now, you know, So there's that apex predator
is gone. Back in the eighties, they had to reintroduce
coyotes because they shot out all the coyotes and then
the rodent population exploded, so they started bringing them in
from out west. So now you see little Florida coyotes,
and then the bigger ones came from out west, and
now it's open season on coyotes because now they're breeding

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out of control.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Absolutely, if you don't if.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
You don't call the deer herds, then they start getting
the wasting sickness, and you know, they start dying off
just through natural disease. So yeah, you definitely have to
keep the population down. I mean, you don't want to
shoot out an area, but yeah, you definitely have to
call the herd.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, the wolves will seek out deer elk that have
diseases and they take them out. And if there were
no wolves, then those deer would breed and then they
all start dying out and there's nothing to keep the
wildlife in check.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, there's a fine balance to it all. Hunting is
definitely essential and it's encoded in our DNA and a
part of nature.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Well, we're apex predators also, that's why that's why our
eyes are up front, you know, but you go further
back into our lizard brain. We were hunted by apex predators.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, we still have that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
We still have that prey mode and in our you know,
the back of our brain and uh, you know, but
we've climb to the top of the food chain. But
you get out in the woods and you find out
real quick that you're not necessarily at the top of
the food chain. When you're facing down the ten foot
alligator that I saw the other day in Theacawaha River,
you know, you're not at the top of the food
chain right there. You know, we got great whites off

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the coast and you go out there swimming, you're not
at the top of the food chain.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah. Absolutely, That's how I felt like when I was hunting.
I thought, man, these deer don't stand a chance because
I got a bow or a rifle. And then you
get paralleled out of there by a cryptid creature and
it's like, oh no, I've become the prey.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah I was. I was up in North Florida. One
of my accounts because I make deliveries and there's a
swamp next to it and I'm out in dark parking
lots by in the middle of the night by myself,
and you know, we deal with homeless people, meth heads,
stuff like that, you know, so you just become used
to that, so you're always on alert. But the night

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that I pulled up, I parted my semi, I got out.
I got this weird feeling that I was being watched by,
you know, an epex predator, not in a threatening mode,
but like it was just.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Curious and it was just watching me.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
And I had called another guy who used to run
that area and asked him and I said, hey, man, have.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
You ever felt anything weird?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Because he believes he believes more in aliens than he
does in bigfoot. And I said, man, I honestly, God
think it's a skunkeeper, a bigfoot or something standing there,
because I'm right near the Georgia border, just on the
other side of the river. And he said a bigfoot,
I mean, maybe an alien, but I don't think a bigfoot.
I mean, one exists, the other probably doesn't, you know,
but I mean I think they all exist personally. But

(26:43):
it was just weird because I got out of my
cab and I just got this weird feeling I was
being watched. It stayed with me the whole time I
was there, and I just tried to hurry up, get
my job done and get out of there, because who
wants to have that feeling?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
I didn't feel threatened, like I was going to be attacked.
I felt that I was being observed, and you know,
it's not a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah. Absolutely, you definitely know that they're territorial, they're curious,
But what else are they up to? It's really hard
to say.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean you watch the movies and they range from
you know, like you said, being territorial to the one
movie was a primal rage where they run around with
bone arrows and they have face masks and all that.
You know, it could be anything. It probably runs the gamut.
Are they that intelligent? Maybe, but like the movie exists,

(27:41):
That one actually creeped me out a little bit because
it is as realistic as it is.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, that one definitely gave me chills and put it
in perspective for me what it would be like to
be chased out of the woods. Because we hear those
stories from people, those encounters where they got chased out
of the woods by one of these things, and people
say they ran out of the woods. But yeah, that
movie definitely creeped me out.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, I don't ever want to be chased out of woods.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I mean there's I've never really had a certain patch
that I wouldn't go back to except for that one
fire break out there in Rock Springs. I probably will
never go back to that again. But I am kind
of curious about what was down there. So if I
do go back to it, I'm going to see if
I have the same feeling. If I have the same feeling,

(28:30):
then I know there's something back there that I don't
need to mess with. But if I don't, well, whatever
it was either moved on or it was just a
feeling for that day something like that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
But yeah, absolutely. The terrifying part is I've actually heard
stories similar to the movie exists. There is one on
the Travel Channel. It's hard to say if they, you know,
made it more dramatic than what it actually was. But
the guy he was running for his life by one
of these things and it was chasing him. He jumped

(28:59):
inunderneath the fence, crawled back through the field and it
was still coming after him. He ran into his cabin
and this thing was banging on the door, crashing the
side of the house. He said, it tore up everything
outside and then eventually it just left. But man, that
that one spooked me. And that's a that's a real.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Encounter, and that's why I carry a gun. What was
that TV series, Something in the Woods or Yeah, all
kinds of stuff. They did cryptids, they did ghosts, they
did all kinds of and they had several on there
like that where people were being chased out by dogmen,
bigfoot stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, I think that would be the one that that
I was referring to. Something in the woods, a tear
in the Woods something like that.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, Tear in the Woods something like that. That one
was an interesting series. I really liked that series. And
as far as ghosts, believe in them, I have spirits
in my house and h yeah, I mean my wife
is a practicing witch. You know they're around. I grew

(30:07):
up in a very very haunted house over in central Florida,
and I mean they've it's always been there, you know.
We had a very malevolent spirit in that house. So Yeah,
all that stuff is real. All that stuff does exist.
I don't just spreadit anything. And people who say that
they encountered something, I'll never scoff or laugh at them

(30:28):
and say, yeah, that's not true, because everybody has their
own experiences. I've had mine, and people say, I'm you know,
I'm full of it, but i know what I experienced,
and I'm glad that. You know, most people haven't had
the experience what I've experienced, especially with the paranormal, with
the with the ghost and everything.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Unfortunately, people are
out there seeking the paranormal, hoping to have experiences, but
once you have a few, you don't want them anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And that's excuse me.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's kind of where I'm at with Bigot, because I've
been told by several people that you can be a believer,
but once you physically see one and become a knower,
it changes your whole perspective and outlook on being out
in the woods. Then you know for a fact you're
not alone anymore. You can speculate all day long. I mean,
I've been within ten feet of bear out in the woods.

(31:19):
They don't bother me. As a kid, there was a
panther across the road when I was riding my bike
back there. I mean, I've been in the water with
six foot alligators. None of that stuff bothers me. But
if I physically see a bigfoot, it might change my
perspective on things. Is it going to keep me out
of the woods. Absolutely not. Is it going to give
me a different outlook on it?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Probably so.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
No, Yeah, without a doubt, especially if you have a
bad experience. I'm sure there's people that you know they've
had positive experiences. I mean sounds like Roger and Bob Gimlin,
Roger Patterson, hoop Ginland, like they add somewhat positive experience.
It just walked off. I mean from what from what
I've seen, from what I heard then, the horse was spooked.

(32:05):
I'm sure they were spooked, but it's not like it
came came at him, like it tried to get them.
And I'm sure if that would have happened, their perspective
on everything would have been completely different.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, she just walked by and like oops, I'd been seen,
and she kept walking.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But yeah, I mean there's there's the people that were
like in Legend of Boggy Creek.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
You know he's out there.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
He sits down on a on a tree stump, and
he goes to smoke a cigarette and he sees it
and it walks by. It steps out in front and
turns around and walks off. Yeah, and then you know,
like that other TV show where they're out there and
then things starts following them, and then like the one kid,
he's running down the trail and he looks back and
it's right behind him. You know, I've had surgery in

(32:50):
both my knees. I can't run that fast. I don't
want to deal with that. Yeah, another reason I carry
a gun.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, for sure, I don't blame you. And Yeah, when
you go back out there hunting, you'll have to keep
an eye out for structures, more tracks. I'm sure you'll
find more tracks in the future. And any activity, whether
it's like Wooden Knox and I'm pushing down trees, grunting, screaming,
whatever it may be, just definitely keep an eye out.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Well. I was on a jeep ride last Sunday up
in the O'calla National Forest, and I did call out
to the trail boss if anybody saw the bigfoot structure.
I forgot to tell you about this, and I forgot
to send you the picture. Uh there was kind of
like a little half teepee just inside the woodline, and

(33:42):
you know, I said, hey, did you all see that?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
No we didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Okay, go ahead and run back and go get some
pictures of it. So they stopped the column. I turned
my jeep around, I went back about one hundred yards,
I got out, I got a couple of pictures, and
then I drove back up because I was the tailgun
on that on that jeep ride. And and yeah, so
as we were driving, I was sending the pictures to
the trail boss. So I need to send you those pictures.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Absolutely, I would very much like to see them. What
was it like a tpe in arch? And next what'd
you find?

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It was just kind of like a half TP, you know,
just there was kind of like a main branch and
then they were just kind of laid up against that
branch and kind of like TP fashional. It was like
a half TP. I did post it on the one
big Foot site mid Florida Bigfoot Research. I did post

(34:38):
it on there, and another guy chimed in that he
had seen similar things in that same area and he
had actually seen like some tracks or something.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, that's amazing. And what do you think the structure meant?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm not really sure. I mean it could be like
maybe a hunting blind. I mean, like we put up
blinds when we go hunting deer or turkey or something.
I mean, obviously they're more well camouflaged because they're furry,
you know, and they look like a giant bush. Could
it be a hunting blind?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Maybe? I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I mean, obviously it's not a structure to keep off
the elements, because unless they put bows over it or
made like a debris hut and threw a bunch of
leaves or pine needles or something on.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Top of it. But it was too.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Far apart space, too far apart in order to be
able to hold anything like that. What it was, I
don't know, maybe some type of hunting blind, or maybe
it maybe some type of landmark something like that, or
an edge of a territory, something like that. I mean,
just a little bit further down, there was a big
black bear walking by, and we got pictures and video

(35:55):
of that too. I mean, maybe maybe it's something like that,
you know, maybe they put it up, you know, hey,
there's a big black bear in the area, you know,
just let the other ones know.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, those are all plausible theories. And if black bear
can exist in the area, then soaking these things. And
like you said, there's hogs in there, there's swamps, and
there's just areas where people can't get to. So it
seems to be a really good location for these things
to exist.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, because they're gonna go hide in the areas where
we're not going to go. You know, just like the
military recon teams and stuff. They don't hide behind a bush.
They go into the thickets and stuff where the enemy
isn't going to follow them and the enemy is not
likely to stumble upon them. So I would think the
big foot of the exact same thing. They see a
big line of jeeps coming and they go walk into

(36:46):
the thickets. So they have like some type of blind
set up and they go sit behind it or something,
or stand behind a tree or something like that, just
to be obscure and be out of the way.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, and if you see a ten foot alligator, you're
not going in there at night, especially in the swamps.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Oh absolutely, I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I was on my way up to the jeep ride
and cross over the alca Waha River. We're slowed down
going over rivers just because I like to look and
glanced over and here's a ten foot alligator just cruising
right down the middle of the channel.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well yeah, and that definitely gives you the feeling like
I don't want to fall in the water. There's no
way I'm going to walk through here at night time. So,
I mean, there's definitely not people out there, you know.
You often hear skeptics say, oh, there's people everywhere in Florida. No,
there's not. And there's areas that are just so remote
that people can't get to.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
I mean, we do have there are some like really
eccentric homeless that live way back in the backwater areas
of the O'calla National Forest. But you'll never see them.
You know, they they're back there. They don't want to
be found. There's rumors that there's like a little small,
like four or five old Vietnam vets that live back

(38:03):
in there. You know, I've heard that for years, But
I mean you'll never see them. They'll see you, but
you'll never see them. So I mean, if they can
exist all the way back there and nobody's sees them.
Why can't a bigfoot exist also? And they're not actually
building like a cabin like a like a man would,

(38:23):
or tents or something like that, actual structures. You know,
they're gonna build like a nest or some type of
blind or something that blends in where man will always
build some type of like square, you know, dimensional geometric
structure where you know nature isn't like that.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
There's no straight lines in nature.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And it makes me wonder
if people experience bigfoot activity and they think it's just
like homeless people back there, someone living in the swamps.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
If very well could be.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I mean, nobody's going to go charging out there to
go find out who it is, you know. And I've
I've been to accounts where there's swamps back behind the
stores and there's homeless people literally laying there on mattresses
watching you the whole time, and they're just inside the woodline.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I mean that's creepy enough.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
But you know to think that there's you know, skunk
apes all the way back in the woods walking around
and you're never going to know. I mean, I'm not
going out and I've had I had a homeless guy
screaming in the woods one night. Get it off me,
Oh God, get it off me. And sorry, Bud, I
don't have a gun. I'm not going in there to,
you know, see what's going on. I called nine one

(39:37):
one and told the cops about it. I heard a
woman screaming up in North Florida back in the woodline
in another one of my accounts. I don't have a
way to defend myself or protect that person. I don't
know what's going on. I'm not going to go charging
into it. I called the cops and I left it
to them. Now, had I had my rifle or something,
that'd be a different story. You know, Hey, let's go

(39:59):
find out what's going on. But I'm one hundred percent
defenseless out there. We're not allowed to carry, and I
can't put myself in a position like that.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
I have a family.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah. And also, cryptid creatures will mimic like a person
that's in distress or in trouble, and they can mimic words,
and you know, I've heard it a lot with dog
Man encounters, ambig Fitt encounters where someone's screaming help help,
or there's like a baby crying and when people pursue
that noise in the woods, they see like this werewolf

(40:31):
type creature and it's just like, oh man, they were
being lured out there.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
M m.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah. So I think you did the right thing.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, kind of like an audible wool of the whisp
mm hmm. Instead of it being a light that keeps
drawing you further in, it's it's a noise.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Like you said, yeah, you want to help, but you
got a bad feeling about it. You definitely had like
this gut feeling like don't go in there.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, I mean the one where the guy was screaming.
I actually saw him go in there with a bicycle,
and I know there's a small homeless camp back there,
but I don't know what was going on, and I
can't put myself at risk like that. The woman, I
have no idea what that was. That just came out
of nowhere, and there was I was the only one
in that area. All the other businesses were closed, and

(41:22):
it was just silent, you know, there was just the
sounds of nature in the middle of the night, which
out there isn't all that much, and all of a sudden,
this woman just starts screaming I'm like, oh, time to
call nine one one.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, that's spooky. You never know what you're running to
in the woods.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Exactly, and being a swamp rat, you know, I've been
out in them, and you know, pretty much my entire life.
There's nothing I haven't really encountered that I couldn't handle.
But then again, as I got older, there's stuff that
you know, I can't explain it, and I'm not going
to go any further, especially being.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Alone or with my son, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, and I got a bunch of other shooters. I
got a bunch of other shooters with me. Yeah, let's
go find out. It's the worst it can happen.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah, no doubt so.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Again, I grew up in central Florida and we moved
here in nineteen eighty and the house that we moved into,
it had just gotten finished right before we moved here,
so we were the only owners of the house. And
it took a little while before weird stuff started to
happen around the house. The uh, it was just little

(42:38):
things here and there. There'd be a knock here and
like a disembodied voice there. It didn't really start amping
up for a couple more years. There was a room
at the back of the house. It was a bedroom
that I never really felt comfortable being in. But again,
we were the first owners of this house. It was
a brand new house and I never could explain it.

(43:01):
Fast forward many many years, and weird stuff started to
happen around the house. There'd be shadow figures moving around
inside the house. There was kind of like a short
figure of a woman, long hair, and I would see
her go from the foyer through the family room and

(43:23):
down the hallway. And the first time I saw it,
I chased her just to see, you know, like, hey,
who are you and why are you in my house?
Round the corner and she's gone, you know, checked the house.
Nobody was there. The dog at the time she would
stand there and just bark it absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Until we want to go take a look. And there
was a figure.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
About as tall as the door frame and had kind
of like reddish eyes, and it was very menacing and
it was obviously it scared the dog, It scared me,
and then it disappeared. Life went on and I had

(44:12):
my first wife, the mother of our son. Before we
got married, and we were getting ready to start saving
up money to buy a house. She was, uh, we
had moved in with my mother so that we could
you know, we moved back into the houses so we
could save up some money, and she was actually staying.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
In that room.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Well, I was at work the night that it happened,
but I was told that she screamed in the middle
of the night and my mother came into the room
and see what was going on. The bed was actually levitating,
and there was like a demonic looking figure in the corner,
and all of a sudden, the bed just dropped back down.

(44:56):
There was There's quite a few different other things that
happened around the house.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Her and I were sitting at the kitchen table one night.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
My mother had like a hanging fruit basket, and all
of a sudden, this dark hand comes out of nowhere
and smacks it, and it just starts swinging back and forth,
and she leapt into my lap. We saw like a
little three foot figure, like a little dark figure that
would shoot around the house really fast. Never really figured
out what that was. We had bought a house, we

(45:28):
had moved out of state. I had taken a job
out of state for a couple of years, and my
mother had my wife had passed away while I was
living there, so I had to move back to back
to Florida.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
My son was three and a half at the time,
and he ended up going into that room. I didn't
even really think about it when I set up his
room there, but he started having a lot of issues.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
He started talking really weird.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I don't want to live anymore, Beat me, kill me,
whatever you want to do, and it just it really
just started getting weird. He was afraid to go to
sleep in that room, so he slept in my room
with me.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I had called in.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I was trying to get a hold of caps from
ghost hunters, and they put me in touch with Kassemi
Parrol Normal Investigators and KPI. They came out, they did
an investigation in the house, and they said that they
would that they would get back to me, and they did.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
About a week later. They got back to me.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
They came back out to the house and they showed
me some of the things that they got. They got
disembodied voices, they got shadow figures.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
That was.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
That was the end of that one, and then it
started amping up a little bit more. There was a
tree out in the front yard that had been hit
by lightning so many times that it finally was split
and I had to have it removed.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And when it was removed.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
There was a well that was discovered underneath, and I
never even knew that that well was there, so obviously
a lot of people know that wells are portals. And
once that tree was pulled out of the way and
that well was exposed, it just damped up even more.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I mean it started shooting through the roof.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And the one that I was dating at the time,
she said, you know, we were trying to figure out
what we were going to do as far as who
to call, so I called another I called another ghost
hunting team. They came out and a woman who was

(47:50):
on that team was actually with KPI and she had
broke off from KPI, and she told me that so
many stuff that they found in their original investigation actually
scared that guy so bad that he didn't even want
to acknowledge it. So I only saw half of what
they caught. And she told me that they had caught
some disembodied voices, especially one that was very, very aggressive.

(48:13):
And I said where and she said in the back bedroom,
and I'm like, well, that makes sense. So the investigation
that they were doing, a friend of mine one of
my childhood friends had contact me and she said, you know, hey, Jason,
what you doing. I said, I got a ghost on
her team over here.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
She says, that's so cool. Can I come over? And
I'm like, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So they were set up on the back porch and
she came over and we were sitting there just kind
of watching the monitors, and she's like, this is so cool.
And one of the monitor, one of the cameras was
set up in the family room, facing towards where the
figure would walk out of the foyer and down the hallway,
and all of a sudden, there's a couple of us

(48:55):
out there.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
All of a sudden, the tripods started rocking back and forth.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
So we're watching the camera in the screen actually you know,
moved back and forth, and we're watching the tripod rock
back and forth. And it fell over, and of course
they tried to debunk it. They look, there's an AC
unit right there event in the ceiling, and I mean,
that's obviously not going to push it over. It was
it was stable. Couldn't explain it. She said, hey, do

(49:21):
you mind if I go on one of the investigations
with him, and said, I don't care if they don't
care if and they said, okay, well cool. So they
went into the back bedroom and the woman who was
on the KPI team had told me that one of
the disembodied voices they got was a very aggressive male

(49:43):
in that room. And I'm not going to curse on
your podcast, but they said, is there anybody here who
wants to speak with us? And it came back very aggressively,
f you.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Well, I mean that's you know, cut and dryer right there.
And I heard it.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
It was on the it.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Was on the EVP. So they're in that room and
I see her in the camera. She kneels down on
the other side of the bed and she's kind of
looking around with the other investigator, and all of a sudden,
she like perks up. She gets this weird look on
her face, and she comes running out of there. She
comes out on the porch and she said, take me home.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And I said, what's wrong? She says, take me home
or I'm walking? Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So I told everybody, I said, hey, you all got
the house. I got to take her home. I said,
what's wrong? I said, I don't know what I'm gonna
find out. She wouldn't talk to me all the way
back to her house. And when I got back to
her house with her, I asked her what happened. She
said that she was kneeling there and all of a
sudden she heard a voice in her ear that.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Says, you're gonna f and die.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
And that was enough for her, and so she wanted
to bulk understandably so, and she always she always had
a difficult time coming back in that house. After that,
that group they found a little bit more and they
also told me some things that I didn't know about
the you know, a KPI had found. So they did

(51:03):
find a spirit up in the attic, and it was
just just a very benign spirit just hung out in
the attic.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
For whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
There was a spirit of a guy that broke into
the house and my mother had shot and killed at.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
One point in time.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
And I'll think of his name. Rodney was his name,
and Rodney Rodney didn't want to cross over. He was
perfectly content hanging out there in the garage. He knew
where he was going if he did cross over, and
he didn't want to go. So, yeah, he just hung
out there in the garage. They didn't counter the very

(51:39):
malevolent spirit in the back bedroom.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
They came across a lot of other things.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
They saw some stuff move, they saw some more shadow figures,
a few other disembodied voices here and there. They did
a blessing on the house, and shortly thereafter I had
a minister friend of mine come out out and he
brought some rose oil from Jerusalem, and he went around
and he placed crosses inside the house with the rose oil.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
He did a blessing on.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
The house, and all that kind of pissed it off
and had to start namping up some more. So the
woman I was with at the time, I said, you.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Know, I'm at a loss here. I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
And she said that one of her teachers when she
was in high school now lives in Cassadega. And just
for those who don't know, Cassadega is the oldest spiritualist
colony in the United States. It's right over here in
right next to the land, Florida. And so she contacted

(52:43):
him and he got a couple of people from there,
a spirit photographer and a spiritual investigator, and they came
out to the house.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
They walked around the house.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
They spent about two hours or so on the house
and they found all kinds of stuff. I think it
was right around thirty eight different individuals they found inside
the house, faces, voices, some of it was gibberish.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Couldn't really make out what it was they had.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
They did encounter the person in the back and the
one actually did the research on the property and some
of the history of the area I knew about it
was it was several thousand acres at one point it
was a big hunting club, and it had been slowly
sold off to developers as the Central Florida area started

(53:44):
to grow. That particular area where on my house sat,
there was an old turpentine plantation there, and the camp
for the turpentine plantation was on our property and the
properties around it. Turpentine patient. Turpentine plantations back at that
time were basically like slave labor camps. So they would

(54:07):
take all the prisoners from the jails and it weren't
like murderers and stuff like that, and they put them there,
so it was like runaway kids, prostitutes, petty thieves, stuff
like that. They put them there and that's where they
would do their time and in a tent out in
the Florida heat taking care of taking care of the

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turpentine plantation, and come to find out that the spirit
that they caught was a He was the overseer and
he was a very, very brutal man. The well was

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actually used as a like a solitary confinement, so people
were putting that well.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It was a dry well.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
People were putting that well as solitary confinement, and several
peop people died there.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
So people died on my property.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
And then they kind of knew what they were dealing with.
At that point, they got together with a few other people.
They figured out a plan and they were going to
do a blessing on the house, but they were also
going to do some ceremonies too.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Now, the reason that I agreed.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
To all that is because I had contacted the Catholic church. Originally,
I went to the church up the road and the
priest had said, well, you need to get a hold
of the diocesy and try and get a hold of
the bishop's exorcist, and there's certain way you have to
approach it.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
And so I tried.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
But because I'm not Catholic and I wasn't part of
the diocey, they wouldn't help. Contrary to the movies, they
won't come out and help if you're not part of
the diocey. I contacted one of the local Baptis churches
and the minister actually laughed at me and said, well,
I think everybody in your house has a mental problem
and you need to go seek help. So, I mean,

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obviously he was terrified, and he just wasn't able to
put on the whole armor of.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
God to go fight this because he was scared.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I contacted the local synagogue and the rabbi said, I'm sorry, sir,
we don't have anything set up for that, and he
actually gave me the best advice.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
He said, I believe you should.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Get a hold of one of the local Native American
tribes like the Seminoles, or you should get a hold
of somebody up in Cassadega. And after he had said that,
that's when I had agreed to go on ahead and
you know, let them come in and do the rituals.
They used Native American rituals, they use some old Celtic rituals.

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They kind of combined everything, kind of like a fruit
salad of different rituals from different pagan religions.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And they went around. They blessed the house.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
They salted the doorways, the windows, they smudged, they did
everything that they possibly could.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
They had a.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
They had a singing bowl. They did everything that they
possibly could. And after they left, the spirit activity in
that house went from one hundred down to say forty.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
And it had been so bad in the house that.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I came home one night and there was blood up
maybe about five feet on the side of the wall,
and my dog was cowering in the back and she
had had her eye cut.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
She was bleeding.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
So something picked up my dog and threw her up
against the wall and she was just cowering in the
corner and she was bleeding out of her head.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
And that's how bad it was getting in that house.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
So after Casadega came through, it made huge difference, and
the air felt lighter. That malevolent spirit in the back
it didn't appear to be there anymore. It it just
it was like a breath of fresh air in that

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house because it just started getting so oppressive.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I mean, when I was talking.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
To the one woman on the phone, my mother had
gotten scratched and there was three scratches, you know, three
three scratch marks on her arm, and I said, this
just happened.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
And we didn't have phones back then where you could
take pictures or anything, so I took a picture with
a regular camera. But yeah, she's She's like, that just happened,
and I said, yes it did. They got out there
as soon as they possibly could, and I can't thank
them enough. All the information was on their website. All

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the disembodied voices, the pictures, everything were all on there.
The unfortunate part is I didn't have a computer at
the time, so I couldn't transfer everything over and thumb
drives weren't really a thing, so unfortunately all of it
is lost to the ages. Now I don't have any
of that information anymore. I was able to share it
with quite a few people before it, you know, the

(59:18):
site was taken down, but there was There was other
things that would happen around in the area, like my
first wife and we were still alive, or when she
was still alive, we were taking our son out for
a walk and there was a playground at the end
of the street. We're walking by with him and the stroller,
and there was no breeze, it was warm out. All

(59:41):
of a sudden, the swing just started swinging back and
forth by itself, And I mean, that's weird. You know
where that come from, just out of nowhere, But that
whole area just had the area that I grew up in.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
The Wakaiba River.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Was really really close. That whole area had the Mikasuke,
the Seminoles, the chalk toss and Cherokee. They were all
in that area and rivers were highways back then. So
it's understandable that you know, there was spirit activity on
the land because there was people there prior to the

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white man living there. Some of the other things that
they found in their investigation. They did not see the
spirit of that woman that I mentioned, but they're thinking
that that was a female Indian that they saw or
that I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
They did see some faces of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Females and males appear just out of nowhere. There was
a picture of a female's face that appeared on a door.
They got pictures of shadow figures standing in the room,

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another one walking down the hall. They got a video
of one walking down the hallway. Like I said, they
found about thirty eight different individuals in the house. And
the only thing that I can think of is because
the well was there there might have been still a
spring underneath the house somewhere, and that's obviously a conduit.
The river was just right down the road by like

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a couple of miles, so that right there we are
in the watershed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
That's that house that I grew up in, the house
that I live in now. I live a little bit further.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I live about twenty five miles north of where I
grew up and the house that I'm in now. My
wife at the time when we lived here. When she
lived here, she was a practicing witch and a shaman,
and she had also clinically died twice. She died in

(01:02:01):
the horseback riding accident, and when she was younger, she
drowned and was clinically dead for fifteen minutes in a
cold water creek.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
So she had come.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Back and her Indian side of the family kind of
disowned her because they said that when she came back
that she had brought something with her, and she had
always said that it's not necessarily a haunted place, it's
a haunted person. There was a minister and his wife
that lived in this house before us. There's a little

(01:02:32):
bit of spirit activity in the house. When we moved
in apparently there's a woman in white in the backyard
that everybody has seen but me. There is like the
spirit of a child that runs through here. Every once
in a while. I do get some disembodied voices. I
do get some movement stuff, moving stuff, knocking every once

(01:02:56):
in a while, and I just talked to it. But
when she was still here, my wife and I are
divorced now, but when she was still here, the spirit
activity was it was amped up pretty high.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
There was always a movement in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
There was always people coming, There was always entities coming
to her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Because she was a shaman. There was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
There was chairs that would just move. You go walking
into the kitchen and one of the chairs would move.
And it's just things that you had to get used to,
because if you look it scarier, then you wouldn't be
in the house. I was on the phone the other
day with a friend of mine and in my den,
I have a lot of my grandfather's stuff in there,

(01:03:45):
and he does stop by from time to time. He's
passed away, but he stops by from time to time.
And I heard a male voice in the room and
I just I assume it's my grandfather, and I say, hey, grandpa,
how are you doing. I work overnights, so I have
to sleep during the day, and every once in a while,

(01:04:06):
when they're feeling saucy, they'll start moving the bar schools
around in the kitchen, so they'll drag them across the tile,
and that'll keep me awake, and I have to ask
them very nicely, Hey, can you please stop? I'm trying
to sleep. Last week, I was actually laying down and
there was a male voice next to my head. It

(01:04:28):
was kind of gibber as she couldn't understand what it said,
and I just started falling to sleep when it happened,
and I said, Okay, I know you're there. Please, I'm
trying to sleep. My dog she sees things all the time.
What's kind of cool is that I'm assuming it's my
grandfather that will be in the den, and I'll walk

(01:04:50):
by the kitchen and look into the den and see
her sitting there. And she's sitting there looking over at
one of the corners. Her head's cocked to the side,
her ears are popped up, and her tails went. So
I'm assuming it's my.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Grandfather talking to her.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
She's obviously not afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
My ex wife's grandkids had both experienced stuff in the
house when they when they would come over to stay,
they had both experienced things. They had both seen things,
heard things. The granddaughter she was like four at the time,
so it kind of frightened her a little bit. But
you know, we told her there's nothing here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
It's going to bother you, and there hasn't been anything
malevolent in this house. Everything is just kind of just
you know, hey, we're here, just letting us know. And
I'm okay with that. I mean, at the end of
the day, they're people too, they're just on the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Other side of the veil. I had a list. I've
pretty much gone through the list just all the points
that I wanted to hit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Because I didn't want to try and I didn't want
to leave anything out and I want to try to
get everything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Okay. Jason, Well, I appreciate you for sharing that with me,
and that certainly is terrifying, and I'm sorry you went
through that. I understand what it's like to live in
a haunted house and it definitely keeps you on edge.
Why do you think this activity was taking place? Do
you think like the house was just simply haunted or

(01:06:17):
built on top of like burial mounds or there was
something else deeper going on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
I don't think necessarily think it was built on burial mountains.
I think that the ground itself was just haunted simply
due to the fact that it was built on top
of an old turpentine plantation and inside that well people
had died. So people had died on my property. And
being that there was a well there, there has to
be a spring underneath the property somewhere. Whether it's dried
up or not, I don't know, but that's the only

(01:06:49):
thing that I think of, is that, you know, water
is con do it for spirit activity, and that's probably
why it amped up. The house is currently after my
mother sold the house, sold it to some investors and
they rent it. People don't stay in that house more
in a year. I mean I check on it every
once in a while just to see if it's sold

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or what, and you know, it mentions that it's being rented,
and people don't stay in it more in a year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
They usually bolt from there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
And granted, Florida is a very transient state, but it's
a very nice area and the house is around it.
The people have been there for years, but that house
in particular just happens to people don't stay in it
very long.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
That's the house that I grew up in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
There's a gun range that I go to and over
here in central Florida, and that range in the back
there's Indian burial mounts back behind the berm and the
one owner, well the owner's wife, and some of the
guys who worked there at the time. They had wanted

(01:07:58):
some questions answered, so they contacted me and asked me
if my ex we were married at the time, if
my ex wife and I if we could come out
there and check things out, or being a shaman and
a witch. The two guys who worked out there at
the property and and helped with the gun range, they
were Norse pagans, so there was a big oak tree

(01:08:22):
back in the swamp where they would have some rituals.
They did some blood sacrifices like killing a wild hog,
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
We did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Walk the property back there, you can clearly see the
burial mounds there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
They're about maybe of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Course they've been roaded over time, so they're all about
five feet above the ground. And that area tends the
flood now, so everything probably gets eroded down. They probably
were bigger at one time, but they there is a
panther in the area, and when panthers scream, it sounds
like a woman screaming. But this they have heard a

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really weird scream in the middle of the night coming
from that area. And my wife had said, well, it
sounds like it's probably a skin walker that protects the
area and you're fine during the day, but at night,
if you go back there and disturb it, disturb the mounds,
it will probably kill you. There was probably about six

(01:09:29):
of us that day, me and my wife, the owner, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Three of the guys who worked there. Another two were there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
I think it was another one also, but we were
all carrying firearms because you know, there's wild hogs out
there and stuff too. We had started to walk around
back there just to just check things out, have my
wife kind of get a feeling for it. We were
headed back towards the one fence line and we caught

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movement and it was the weirdest thing. We couldn't identify
what it was. We all all of us carrying rifles.
We went guns up on it and it was about
three feet tall three four feet tall and kind of
like in the movie predator where Bill Duke's character he
sees the predator, it's cloak. It turns around and its

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eyes splash and it runs off into the jungle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
That's about what we saw.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
It was about three four feet tall and was standing
there by the fence line and it looked at us
and it had kind of like like yellow eyes, and
we were stand there just kind of figuring out what
to do. We're guns up on this thing, and we're like,
what do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Do we shoot? Do we not?

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
And then it just vanished. So we looked it up
a little bit later and we determined what it was
was a glimmer man. And there'd been reports in Forrest
from like here to Georgia, people out in the woods
and they like a hunter was saying that he saw
something about four feet tall with the yellow eyes that

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you know, ran by the area that he was sitting
in a tree stand. So the only thing that we
can figure out is that, you know, it was probably
like a glimmer man. And that was the first time
I had ever heard of such a thing. You know,
you hear about all the other stuff out there, the
slender Man and all that kind of stuff, but there
was there was an incident that happened back behind the

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five hundred yard range, and it happened a couple of
days prior, and we went to go back there and
take a look and see if it was still there.
There was a wild hog that it looks like it
had been picked up. Something had reached inside of it,
grabbed everything inside and pulled it back out and just
left the bag of flesh and dropped it. We went

(01:11:53):
back over in that area and that bag of flesh
was still there. There was no bones in it, there
was no muscle or there was no blood nothing. It's
like something just reached into it and just pulled it
right up against kind of like a wall or something,
just pulled everything right out and just dropped it. And
I mean, that's creepy as hell. You know, you don't
expect to see that. The next day, I get a

(01:12:19):
call that, you know, hey, can I come back out
there and take a look. So we all went back
out there and take a look.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
There was a hog that had.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Been killed, and there was like a little canal that
ran along the one side of the property. There was
a hog that had been killed and it looks like
its head had been surgically removed the flesh, the muscle,
the boom, everything was just completely severed and it was carterized.

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There was no blood, couldn't find the head anywhere. There
was a small alligator that patrolled that area. There's bears,
there's other wild hogs, bobcats, stuff. Thought there was no
predation on that body. There wasn't even bugs on that body.
There was no flies flying around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
It, nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
There was absolutely nothing around that body. And you know,
what do you do? You just stand there and just
try to figure that one out. It was laining like
something had killed it, cut its head off and picked
it up and thrown it about fifteen feet or so

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because we could see where it had been killed, because
the area had been disturbed. And then you could see
something that picked it up. Thrown that hog up into
the air, probably about six seven feet, broken few branches,
and then it landed, hit the ground and slid right
up against the edge of that little canal. Like I said,

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there was no blood, there was no there wasn't even
a smell to it. And grant that had happened the
night before, but even in the Florida sun and uh,
you know, the afternoon you're gonna start smelling something. But
there wasn't bugs, There wasn't anything on it. So we
looked around a little bit more. We tried to find
the head, We tried to find anything that would indicate

(01:14:13):
what happened to it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
We didn't see anything, So we left it b and I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Got a call ex kidding, I gotta call the next
day saying it was gone. You know, nothing had drug
it off. There was no It hadn't been disturbed anywhere
around it like something had, like the gator grabbed it
and thrashed it around and drug it in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Just it was gone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It disappeared. So there's there's something going on out there.
I don't get out there much anymore. Those two guys,
they don't work there anymore. That's the last I've heard
of anything. The last time I was out there for
a training exercise, there was we were over in that

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area and there was a couple of guys who I
wanted to just walk over to the tree and see
that area and walk back there a little bit. There's
a couple of guys said that they didn't feel good
about that area and that they didn't want to walk
into it. And these guys are combat veterans, and they
didn't feel right about walking into those woods. That's why
I kind of explained to them what was going on
back in that area, and they said, yeah, that's probably
why we didn't feel right about going in there. And again,

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these guys are combat veterans and didn't want to go
back there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah. Absolutely, that's terrifying. And it makes me wonder if
there really is a connection with the wells like you
were speaking about earlier, because wells are often mentioned in
the Bible, and it's just something that's come up over
and over again from the Old Testament to the New Testament,

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and I feel like there is some sort of significance there.
It almost reminds me of like caves or springs, like
they talk about those being portal areas, So it would
make sense that a well could possibly be a portal
to other worlds.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Absolutely, and even though it was a dry well, they
had to have tapped into a spring somewhere along the line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I mean, granted, we were in the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Khybro River basin and a couple of years after we
moved there, my parents had a pool put in and
they hit water like seven feet down, so they ended
up having to pump out the area in order to
dig down further to put the put the pool in.
So I'm assuming there's probably a spring underneath the area

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somewhere and that well had either been filled in or
it just went dry in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
That particular area. But it was brick it was bricked in,
and there was a reason it was there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah. Absolutely, the story about the bed levitating, I know
you weren't there, but I know you believe everything they
told you that that's frightening and to me, that definitely
indicates demonic activity. And I agree with you. Like, the
churches did not want to investigate it. It's too easy
to write you off and tell you to go get

(01:17:10):
mental like help because they don't want to deal with it.
I think deep down inside they knew, oh man, what
if he's telling the truth, I don't want to go there.
Like they kind of freaked out and try to backtrack
and avoid it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
The one woman who was with KPI and then switched
over to the other the other group, she came in
when she was with KPI, she came in and sat
on that bed and she said, this bed's been levitated before,
hasn't it? And I said yeah, she said yeah, I
can feel that. I got goosebumps right now. Yeah, she

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could actually feel that the bed had been levitated at
one point in time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
But it just it struck me as odd. Contacting the
Baptist Church.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
And I'm not gonna sit there in bad mouth or
religion or anything. But they talk about putting on the
whole armor of God and you know, don't be afraid
in the face of evil, that kind of stuff. And
then when they were actually faced with it, he literally
laughed at me and told me that we needed to
go get psychological help.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, that's what they told me. And I mean the
activity that I was experiencing in that house was definitely
affecting my mental health. Like I don't see how it
wouldn't affect anyone's mental health. If you're experiencing that type
of activity. I mean, it's not normal, it's not good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
But yeah, I can definitely mess with you, and you know,
it can sink you into depression or you know, any
kind of thing. I mean, you know, it keeps you
awake all night, you don't sleep. But I just don't
understand why they were afraid to come out. It's like
they don't really believe what they say, yeah, you know,

(01:18:59):
but the Catholic Church, you know, they just if you're
not a member of the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Diocese, they will not help you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
And I had several priests tell me that that, you know,
we're sorry you're not Catholic. We can't help you. I said, okay,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
And then the rabbi, he was the most honest one.
He said, we don't have anything set up for that.
And he's the one who actually gave the best advice.
He didn't laugh at me or anything. He didn't tell
me no, he didn't tell me to piss off, nothing.
He just you know, he was just very matter of fact,
and he said, you know, I want to help people.
We don't have anything set up for that. And then
that's when we start talking a little bit more, and

(01:19:35):
he said, you know, maybe you should contact us Native
American tribes at the seminoles, get a hold of Cassadega.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
They probably have some money in place for that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, you can't blame the churches or the faith.
You can just blame the individuals. I mean, I often
hear people say, oh, Catholics are bad because of the pope.
But you can't say that every Catholic is bad just
because there's the pope in the vatic And that's like
saying the United States is bad because they're hiding secrets
at Area fifty one. Well, not every American is bad.

(01:20:06):
They don't have anything to do with that. And exactly,
it's just how it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Yeah, it's just you know, representation and uh this poor representation. Actually,
you know, I don't hold it against the Catholic Church.
It's just that's there, that's their their setup. You know,
if you're not a member of the diocese, they don't
help you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
You got to be Catholic.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Yeah, I think if you would have went somewhere else
to like a different group of Catholics, you may have
gotten a different answer. I know there's people that like
already started living together, they're a couple, and maybe they
had a kid before marriage. Like some churches wouldn't marry them,
and they just go somewhere else and another church would.
So it's it's hard to say. I think it comes
down to the individual and what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Well, yeah, my my cousin up in Saint Louis, when
she was marrying her husband, he was Catholic. She wasn't,
and the the dioce he said, well, we can't marry
you unless you become a Catholic and she said, well,
I'm not going to and she came home, told my
uncle and he made a phone call and like the

(01:21:18):
next day, okay, yep, we can marry no problem. The
the the bishop in the area was his college roommate,
so all he had to do was just make a
phone call to the bishop and that took care of
that problem right there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Oh, now we can marry you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, like in the New Testament,
it says that Jesus came for all believers and even
non believers. So I mean, I feel like the Catholic
Church should be the same way. Like whether you're in
a foreign country and you're not a Jew, like you
can still be a Christian and I don't know, I
feel like the Catholic Church should have that same approach.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
M Yeah. Yeah. Everyone has their every different legend, has
their quirks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
In the way that they do things and their parameters,
and yeah that's fine, that's their parameters, that's their prerogative.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Yeah, absolutely. So which paranormal experience was the most terrifying
The most significant, And like that, of all the stories
you told me, which one really affected you the most.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
M that's a good one. Probably the one that affected
me the most was the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
That that very malevolent spirit was praying on my son
and he was afraid to sleep in his room.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
He would say things.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
I mean, he was like four years old and he's
sitting there saying and we moved back into it. We
moved back when he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Was three and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
So at four years old, he's saying, I don't want
to live anymore. Beat me, kill me, I don't care
what happens to me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
You know. At that point, it's like, what do you do?
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
I mean, that's my four year old son. So that one,
that one actually scared me the most. I don't scare
it very easy, but that actually scared me the most
because there's there's nothing I could do other than try
to protect him by hey, sleep with me in.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
My room, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Or the other option was to move out. But I'm
still trying to sell my house up in the other state.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
And so yeah, that one. If it's something physical that
I can deal with, that's one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
But if it's if it's a spirit, you know, you
can't shoot it, can't stab it, you can't beat it
with a bat.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
There's nothing you can do. You know, you just have to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
It becomes spiritual at that end. And you know, I
didn't know what to do. I was kind of at
a loss and I had no where I could go,
so just had to kind of endure it the best
I could and protect my son as best I could.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Yeah. Absolutely, it feels like someone breaking into your house.
You can get some firearms ready, lock up the house,
get some camera. About when you're dealing with the paranormal
it's like when is it going to show up? Is
it going to happen when I'm asleep or I'm not home?
What's it going to do to my kids? And that's scary.
I mean, the psychological warfare behind experiencing paranormal activities just

(01:24:15):
it's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Well, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
And then the other one is when I came home
and I found blood on the side of the wall
in the hallway and found my dog with her you know,
above her eyes cut open, and you know, something that
picked her up and thrown her up against the wall.
And you know, she's an innocent dog and she doesn't
know any better. She didn't know what's going on, and
if it shows up, there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
You know. It obviously attacked her when I was at work.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Oh yeah, so you're still experiencing the activity today, but
it's not as intense as it used to be. Do
you feel like it followed you to your new location.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Now where I live now? I think some of it
was already here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
And my ex wife, she was haunted and when she left,
I told her, hey, take all your friends with you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
You know, when she when she left.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
All that spirit activity dropped off. So it was actually
it was actually her that she was like she was
like a lighthouse in a nocean of darkness, and they
honed in on that, and they're like, oh, somebody that
can see us, and so they would they would come
to her and show up, and they were just constantly

(01:25:37):
coming in and she was open to that. So they
would just come into the house and you know, she
would stage, she would smudge, she would salt, she would
do all that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
And Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
There was another house that I was living in after
after I moved out of the house that I grew
up in, I had bought another house and it was
by about ten miles down the road from there. We
had just started dating and she was at the house
one night and I was showing her pictures of my
first wife, my son's mom, and we're sitting there and

(01:26:16):
my gun safe was to the left, and so I'm
showing her some pictures and all of a sudden, there
was a knock on the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Of the safe.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
And inside that safe, I had some of her jewelry
for wedding ring, that kind of stuff, and she had
actually she had actually said, you know, do you want
me to try and communicate with her? And I was
like okay, and I didn't really know what was going

(01:26:46):
to happen, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
All of a sudden, so we're standing there and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
She started to speak, and she started try and communicate
with her, and all of a sudden, she turns around.
She looks at me, and her eyes had changed and
her voice had changed, and I got goosebumps. Now, that
actually scared the hell out of me at that point,
because she was channeling my wife, and a few of

(01:27:12):
the things that she said she wouldn't have known. My
wife would have known, but she wouldn't have known. And
then she started to walk towards me and like I
said her eyes had changed, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Again, I got scared.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
I backed off and it freaked me out pretty bad,
and I said stop right now. And as soon as
I said that, she turned around and it was gone.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Yeah, that's speaky as heck. Well, at least you're doing
better now and the stuff has fizzled out. I think it.
They are attracted with certain individuals, so I don't know,
I feel like you're in a good place now, So
just try to keep yourself protected.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Yeah, she's uh, she's going more into her shamanism, her spiritualism.
You know, she's trying to help people. So she's a
very caring, loving woman. She's doing all the different work
to try and make herself more available to that type

(01:28:28):
of thing so that she can help people spiritually.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Like I said she was. She is a witch.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
She's a green witch, which means that she's a healer,
and that's where the shamanism comes in. So she's learned
how to do her herbal work, tangstures, that kind of stuff,
and she just wants to use that to help people.
And she tries not to channel anymore, but she does

(01:29:00):
have this gift of she'll be at work and she
works around the public and all of a sudden, somebody
will appear next to her and say, hey, go tell
this person something, and she'll walk over and she'll say, hey,
so and so wanted me to tell you this, and

(01:29:21):
they'll just start crying immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
And she knows that who it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
It's a dead friend, a dead relative, something like that,
and she's had to kind of curtail that a little bit.
When it first started to happen, she didn't understand what
it was. We were at a little downtown historical area
and we had gone into this one shop, little coffee shop,
and we came back out, and she had this overwhelming

(01:29:47):
urge to go say something to this one woman. You know, Hey,
so and so wanted me to tell you this. And
I don't know why, but they wanted me to tell you.
And the the woman who she had told had said
that that was a friend of hers who he had

(01:30:08):
tried to kill himself. And she's from California and she
had he had tried to kill himself a couple of
days prior.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
She didn't put two and two together at that point.
So she talked with her for a few minutes and
then we left didn't dawn on until afterwards, and I
started thinking about it. I said, you know, that was
his spirit. He completed it. So if he tried a
couple of days ago, he actually finished the act. And
then that was him coming to you wanting him to

(01:30:39):
tell you tell her and then she's She's done that many, many,
many times. I watched her do it. And it's just
the weirdest thing that she will have people come to
her and say, hey, go tell that that guy sitting there.
You know that his wife will show up and say, hey,

(01:30:59):
go tell that guy over there that I love him
and I care about him very much and I miss him.
And she'll go over there and say something, and you know,
she will have died just a couple of days prior.
It's the weirdest thing. I've watched it happen many many times.
She has that gift of being able to do that.
She doesn't seek it out. It justnt happens. Yeah, My

(01:31:20):
actually is a very amazing woman. And I mean it,
her and I just didn't work out, but never bad
mouth or She's an absolutely amazing woman and she does
everything she possibly can't help people, and she has a
gift of being able to channel the spirit world, and
it's just amazing to watch it happen when it does.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, some people have a gift and you just
have to use it for good. I always tell people
instead of like channeling spirits, like whether it's negative spirits,
try using your gift to like locate missing people or
help someone find their dog, or some mischief that benefits
the people. Because I don't know, I feel like when
you channel spirits it's almost like dialing like a hotline

(01:32:06):
to Hell because you never know what's going to answer
on the other side. So it's kind of scary, like
Aliji board, Yeah exactly. But I don't know. If people
have gifts, and that's what profits are in the Bible,
they're just like modern day psychics or mediums. They're just
channeling anyone and everything, which is which is dangerous. So
I feel like you just want to make sure that

(01:32:27):
you keep yourself protected and you're always communicating with God.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
I've met a couple of hacks in my life just
being around the spiritual community like I have. I mean,
I never intentionally sought it out, but you know, you
marry a woman who's a witch and a shaman, you're
end up in that lifestyle, you know. And yes, there
are some hacks up there in Cassadega. They claim to
be something that they're not. I've watched like the one

(01:32:55):
in particular said that her energy was so powerful that
she could take thousand rods and spin on their own.
And I believe in dowsing rods. I've done it myself.
But she's holding the staalsiing rod in her hand and
she's acting like it's spinning on its own. But I
very subtly see her hand moving, and I'm like, wow,

(01:33:16):
that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
And I don't want to say you're a hack, and
I figured that out a while back, but.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I mean there's I had her do
several different, several different types of spiritual cleansings on me
before and like right before Max wife and I, right
before we got married. She wanted to do one just
to strip away any type of negativity. And there was

(01:33:47):
another one. I was going through kind of a dark
time in my life and uh, I lost a couple
of friends right in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
So we went down to, uh this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
One area on her property where she has kind of
like a like a like a labyrinth set up and
some spiritual totems and she did a cleansing there and
I'm like, wait a minute, this is the same one
you did before, you know. So I'm sitting there just
kind of watching it, and it's the same procedures. She's
a hack.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well, Jason, you did an excellent
job at describing these experiences. I felt like I was
right there with you, and you went from experiencing paranormal
activity to later finding bigfoot tracks in the woods, and
it's certainly been an adventure in your life. So hopefully

(01:34:44):
you find something good in the future. I feel like
you will deep in Florida, and if you keep going
to that spot where you discover the tracks, I feel
like something else will happen a little by little.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Well, yes, small game season's coming up and I hunt that,
so you know, maybe or maybe not, I'll see something again.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
You know. I always look ahead of me because I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Want to step on water mooxs AND's rattlesnakes, and we
got a lot of them here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
But yeah, I always keep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:13):
My eye out and always take a look because you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Never know what you're going to see.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Just keep quiet and walk through the woods and just
observe and you see all kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
If you're talking, you don't see anything. Everything runs off.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Okay, Jason, are there any other experiences that you can
think of? Anything else that you'd like to share?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
No, sir, that's pretty much everything that I can think of,
because I've been driving around the past couple nights thinking
and trying to collect all my thoughts, and I pretty
much touched on everything I could think of. There's I mean,
other than ghost encounters and stuff, but that's you know,
as far as bigfoot encounters, that's pretty much everything for me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Okay, Well, I appreciate you for taking the time to
share these experiences with me. Certainly some awesome track and
I believe they're in there, and I'm pretty sure that
you feel like they are too. So definitely keep an
eye out, keep your head on a swivel, and in
the future, if you run into these things, contact me.
I'd like to hear more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Yes, sir, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Okay, Well, I appreciate your time, and I hope you
have an excellent weekend. Be safe out there in the woods. Okay. Always,
that wraps up our conversation with Jason from Florida. From
massive skunkcape tracks to mysterious whistles in the woods. His
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