September 11, 2025 • 52 mins
This is an episode we were gonna do last week Saturday where Tyler was wanting a Sub and we got Brad.
Brandon and Brad discuss Baseball, sports ticket prices (Baseball perspective) and why they have gotten so expensive.
Brandon and Brad discuss Baseball, sports ticket prices (Baseball perspective) and why they have gotten so expensive.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
And welcome back to say it is with Brandon and Tyler.
Tyler has a sub for this episode being brad work
with them over at iHeart. We're in the recording studio
today for this one. We were going to do this
one on Saturday, but we also had the Badger game
going on. We had and you had to collect to
(00:40):
highlights during the first second half fifteen second like sat
that second fifteen minute break.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Correct, correct, it was a busy day. But though so
we'll take the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Wye and it's like we're focusing our main focus is
back to baseball after the horrific events of yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh, we're not going to revisit that, Todd I already
shared our bit long story short. If you really if
you don't want to listen to that, we're just gonna
summarize it as if you ever think violence has answered
anything and you don't care about life and when doing that,
then your opinion for the most part does not matter
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at all. However, those people should still be listened to
to try to change their mind. So that's as far
as it goes. Now, since you got that all the way, yep,
why have you ever thought about why ticket prices are
going up and up and up, and why is the
MLB tickets about to price themselves out like the mL
that like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I think it's interesting. I think you and I
kind of touched on this the other day. Is that
I take for an example, I think the example I
used was I saw there was a person looking to
attend a game at Target Field in Minneapolis twins and
and they were coming in out of town and literally
they were asking the group if it made sense for
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them to buy tickets in the three hundred level because
it was affordable per se, and then see if they
could move down to the one hundred level because of
that's what they wanted to do. But I think, more
than anything, going back to the pricing yourself up, people
aren't going to games in certain markets, and I think
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Minneapolis after their fire sale at i e. The trade deadline, Yeah,
pretty much watched their their You know they have those
dry erase boards that they give out for lineup cards.
I think they completely wiped off that dry race price.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The owners there, they were four hundred and twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Dollars, they are in debt, and then I saw that
they were actively trying to sell and then they decided
not to sell, and now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They're marshall sellers like certain like organizations, or they're still
the majority of owners, but the others are minority yep.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So that really kind of created some confusion amongst fans.
But I think going back to the fact that the
fire sale of the trade deadline really turned a lot
of people off. And you have to figure what sixty
seventy percent of ticket sales are season ticket holders so wired.
So going back to the original thought process I had
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was this person was trying to buy a ticket to
three hundred level because it was affordable. They were asking
if they could move down because the seats are more
than likely going to be open because fans aren't attending.
But then they couldn't afford those tickets in the first place,
so they thought they would ask if it made sense
for them to move down. Well, obviously that goes back
to the question tickets are overpriced. If you've got a
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consumer that is saying, well, I'm going to buy this,
I'm going to take a risk, a crazy risk, not
deadly risk, not you know, life ending risk, but a
risk moving in my three hundred level seat down to
the hundred level because there's open seats there.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, well what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah? What what's driving the consumer were to have to
go that route?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
They're like, you have the like the demand of tickets
because they are growing in fans, but people aren't attending
games because of the again ticket prices, but they also
have limited supplies. They also apply to demand.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Then, if you look at last year for the White
Sox at the end of the season, they're basically selling
tickets for like ten bucks for nosebleeds and because no
one was at tening the games.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Because they're that, I wouldn't be surprised they're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean they went to the front like they're like, hey,
we can buy the tickets for the upper texts in
the front road because no one's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Anything, right, right, No, And I again wouldn't be surprised
if still that's the same same thought. Press is going
to guaranteed a rate field. Now it's guaranteed, not guaranteed, right,
but it's rate field.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. And then the teams do. According to Google, they
teams do try to use dynamic pricing, where ticket prices
changed based off anticipaid demand for specific games like rivalries,
or if let's say the Yankees come down right Thetani.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And the Dodger yep, yep, agreed.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And then you also have like player salaries which are
skyrocketing through the roof. And then you also have like
the red sale markets like game Time and.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is and I think those are getting a lot of
play right now. I mean I haven't used them recently,
but I think you said you might have used him
in the recent.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Pastor I've been like my dad and I've been using
them for the past several years. We've been able to
get like seats in the first deck, usually sometimes a
few rows away from the field. And then for playoff games,
I would tell like a group I would I went
into playoff games over my life, and the second one
I asked my college radio co host if he won,
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he wanted to take his dad to a playoff game.
And then we went to a playoff game and we
went to the left field bleacher seats. The so, yeah,
we got the playoff out.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But you went at a discounted price, like we.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
All like we like to an extent, we went to
where like we're said, a good deal on it, because
their playoff tickets are a higher price than because again, playoffs,
it makes sense playing the playoffs. When we went to
the Uker Celebration of Life.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Game, okay, just a couple of weeks ago, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yep, my dad was like, oh yeah, we should totally
go to that, right, So Tyler to the game and
my dad went waited until a couple of months before
game tickets and they are already starting creep up. Wef
we would have gone, right is there announced? We have
gone those tickets for sixty to seventy bucks and at
the time we got them, they creeped up just over.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One hundred oh easily. Yeah, that was a very high demand.
And that was at the same time that was when
the team was going through its sellout phase. And I
don't think they're selling out as often anymore, but there
was a stretch of what six or eight games that
they sold out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
When the UKER Celebration of Life game was announced, you
knew that game.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Was yeah, yeah, standy ramone tickets were going for almost
one hundred blocks I'm sure as well.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So yeah, and then with the whole ticket prices with
like this is player salaries, there is a reason why
you have twenty eight of thirty teams where their owners
kind of want to put a salary cap in place,
but ye, at the same time kind of don't. The
players like Bryce Harper say hey, we don't want a
salary cap, and the super agents like Scott Boris also
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don't want a salary cap for obvious reasons, right man
Fred says, yes, there should be a salary cap. Now.
With a salary cap, oftentimes there comes with a floor
for teams like the Athletics or Pittsburgh to actually invest
money in their team to actually make them actually better,
so that way people actually want to go to the games,
so that they want to navigate that they should go
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by a fans first approach. Sure, but when that that
discussion is going to happen after the next season.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They're amongst another a bunch of other hot topics that
are out there as well.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And it's going to end up because
to be very busy, Yes, yeah, wintermin is going to
be busy there. There's going to be a lockout. It
could potentially wait wait.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Wait wait, you're okay, so you're you're serious that that
that and the lockout is going to be because of.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This, because of player salaries.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And the cap and okay, okay, I guess I hadn't
seen a whole lot, but all right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, no, I've been keeping an eye on it. Bryce
Harper told Manfred to go f himself.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So I'm guessing then the current contract ends after the
twenty sixth season, is that? Why? Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, that's when the current player contract agreement ends.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, they've got a lot of flesh out on that.
I mean, not only is it just the salary cap,
but you've got the whole you know, automatic umpire thing,
and you've got.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like ABS is going to be a good change. That's
gonna be like yeah, it should be, Yeah, yeah, it
should be. Now our player Like what they found in
the miners is that you have catchers making the other
team waste their challenges. We're like the ABS challenges, okay,
where they would touch the ball and quickly do a
dramatic thing to make it look like a ball and
make the umpire sit a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
They're framing it in the other direction to create a
visual Yeah okay, all.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Right, and then sometimes like players would like do their
little helmets.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Hap. I love that. That is such an it just
it brings me joy to see a player and I
think you and I talked about this the other day.
It brings me joy to see a player take control,
or have the ability to take control of their at bat.
I mean, yes, they are standing in the box, they
are an active player engaged in the game of baseball.
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But when something doesn't necessarily go the way they think
it should. Because they're professionals, they've they've seen them ball
or strike yeah, in their whatever, however long their career
may be. But for them to be able to say nope,
I want to take that challenge instead of having to
wait for whatever angle the manager sees or whatever the
you know, the replay official. See. So anyways, I totally
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got off boarded. But but I love that. I love
that the fact that players have control the question can do.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
The same thing too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, so I think they be a challenge. This is
going to be a good addition to the MLB. However,
it does need to be regulated where they have to
put a rule in place saying catchers can't do that
to try and force the teams are challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, but let me let me question that, because we
all know that framing is very much a part of
the is very much a part of the umpire's end
decision of where a call and strike is. It has
become more and more apparent in the last three to
five years, probably the last three years, more and more
specifically that being able to frame a pitch is going
to influence the umpire's call. So if a catcher is
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good enough to frame a pitch to get a call
from it, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There shouldn't be anything wrong with except that the strike
zone should be universal where it's like, okay, but then
the width of the place between like just under the
armpits letter area to just above like.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
The knee agreed, So that uniform will be there. So
you're your catcher is going to have to readjust their
their plan or their position to be able to fame
frame it accordingly. But two those are that's all relative
based in the player's height. Yes, right, So so again
it's going to fluctuate a little bit more, but it's
not going to then have the human part of whatever
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your strike zone looks like today.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, and now that that because like, look, how many
other sports are universal theirs? Stuff that would be like
although baseball, yes, is more traditional yep, and it's like
significantly older right, right. That part is something especially with
everything and all the camera angles, and when you watch games,
we can see like the strikes on box like where
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it should be.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
That's the intent is to show you where it should be.
But but you know, again we see more often than
not that there are calls outside that box.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That good because the plate right and then you have
pictures are clearly strikes get called ball right, and that's
where ABS is handing. Now, I do I think that
players shouldn't be challenging stuff Willynilly. If let's say it's
like a half an inch off the plate, no, because
that's a borderline area. It just clips the box right,
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It could go either way. It's when it hits like
one and a half two three four inches like all right,
maybe you should do the ABS how correct?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, And I think that's fair. But I think it's
it's something that you know as a catcher, you're going
to see it firsthand. So whether you feel that whatever
your picture of that strike zone frame is, if you're
confident enough to call it, I mean that's you because
that's the one facet of a catcher is that you're
calling the game per se. I mean ninety percent well
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not even probably closer to fifty percent of the time
you're calling it and you see it more often than
not that the picture counts on you to call the game.
Besides being a batter, a good batter to play in
the game. So if you've got the skills to be
able to understand what your strike zone should look like
and can frame it, I'm not you know that. You
know what, I don't have those kind of reflex It's
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like the same reflexes you see as a second basement
or shortstop starting a double play that literally the ball
comes at them above their head and their arm automatically
goes from their head to their hip to the ground
and tags the batter. I don't know that that's a normal,
normal movement. I mean that is something that is learned.
So if you can do that again, that's the same
thing with a catcher, if you could figure out how
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to frame and make it look normal, like a normal
action at A lot of catchers are good at that,
So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
If they really push on on restricting the amount of
calls that the catcher can really.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Change that that's fair. That would be interesting. Now, do
you have an idea what you think appropriate cap and
floor would be for a salary cap. Question does have
a salary cap?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
They do, and I think to the NFL and their
player minimums is, like last I looked, it was over
three hundred thousand. I don't know, it's probably closer to
four hundred.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now, but all is I think currently at seven hundred
and forty or seven hundred and sixty thousand, and then
they get taxed f fifty so they only get to
keep like half of that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So in terms of what those caps should be, I mean,
it's I really think it bases, it goes on the team.
I don't know. I mean each team is going to
be able to to spend and put income and and
and really provide whatever their actual revenues are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And then the revenue sharing as well, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So all of them get hit with that. So what
can you afford? I mean, afford is a really really
vague term in terms of baseball, because you know what,
it's no secret that the Pirates organization is not going
to make money playing baseball, you know, I really I
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thought that initially. But let Paul Skins build his story
himself with out an organization that is flashy like the Yankees,
or flashy like the Astros and the Dodgers, or let
him build his story in Pittsburgh. His value will triple
by the time he ends his Rooky contract because he
built him his story himself. And I think that's important.
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And I really think that's where he's really digging in
to the culture in Pittsburgh and really becoming a part
of that community. So they all know, this is Paul Skeins.
This is what I do is play baseball, and I
do it really, really, really well.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's he's going to be.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh yeah, no, without a doubt. He's got every tool
available to him, and he's proving a day in and
day out, whether his team wins or not, he is
putting out his best effort and damn good baseball in.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A regulars And his era is what just under two
and that's something.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And you go look at the stats and that is
unheard of. That's not even attainable for most.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Pictures, like other like things are unheard of. Most catchers
in the modern day can't hit above like two thirty.
And you have Cal Ray, who's hitting to.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The right, who's going to break a home run record
here in the next seven to ten days or at
least he's going to tie what Mandal's record?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He's yeah, and then after he says, after that is Griffy.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And fifty six, right, and after that is.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Trying to tire or pass Judge, which he probably.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Won't Judge is what at sixty.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Six Judge's record I think is sixty two?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is that all right?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But Judge, at the same time this year was hurt
for part of the year. When he came back, he
was aging only for quite a while. Yeah, and at
that time he was only hitting like two twenties. So
then goes into the alm VP debate. Is it cal
or is it Judge? Well, you know, now is a
catcher who's doing a platinum great.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He is doing he is setting a precedent, which is
so weird to say in this day and age in baseball.
That one you've got a guy in a in a
market that really doesn't get a lot of recognition. The
Mariners market is what it is. I mean, it's You've
got a lot of great baseball fans in Seattle and
a lot of support along that West coast. But if
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if you asked me who the starting first basement was
for the Seattle Mariners. There's a chance that I don't know,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because they're traded. We know it's currently Josh Naylor, but
was gonna be after.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That we see and I didn't even know that, which
is that's how much I pay attention to it. But
to the sentiment of an MVP is most valuable? Are
you valuable to the team and the division and or baseball?
So I'm gonna put all my money on Raleigh. I
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just he is exactly that, he meets all, he checks
all three of those boxes to be valuable to baseball nonetheless, right, So,
I don't think there's any doubt that, I mean, unless
the guy falls apart in the next eight weeks, which
we've all seen it happen. I mean, there's a very
good chance he something happens. I'm not even gonna say
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if it's an injury or anything, because I'll probably curse the guy,
you know, I have that kind of luck. But if
something right now, he should be hands down m v P.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And judge being number two at that point, and.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Why not who else? Who else you have in the
in the a L that is.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's only judging cal for the discussion, Sure, judge like,
if he's out, then the Yankees can't hit, right, and we
know the Yankees bullpen is useless.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right right. I think as as as Milwaukee fans, I
think that is a is a very well known topic.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, it's like ah, yes, says over a Delvin Williams,
who he hasn't recovered since Peter A.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Lonzoso wrecked that guy's brain. He really did. I mean,
I go back to that and the the the conversation
where he punched the punched the wall and broke his
hand the year before or two years before, and I'm like,
it's it's just rough. So so anyways, going back to
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the m VP conversation, Yeah, I think it's without a doubt, right,
And I know.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We already knew about halfway through the season.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And well, okay, so we're the V.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Then al is it Schooble or is Boston Again?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I go back to that valuable part, and I mean,
you're you're seeing things. You're seeing this Detroit team do
things that again nobody expected, and they did it last year.
They's not getting to the playoffs last year, I know,
and I think we're every every baseball fan was surprised
as I was that all of a sudden, we're talking
Detroit in the second round of the playoffs last year.
You know, I mean, okay, great, you know, I I
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love CA America Park, I love I love Detroit Sports.
But man, I just I think it's Google because again,
he's he's he's supporting that team in this forward effort
they got going on right now.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean that's yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But but then going back to the conversation about about
team spending money, obviously we know Pittsburgh is never going
to make money.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So Detroit makes money, but they're also mid mark.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They're right in that same category. Cleveland's another one that's that, Yeah,
that is in that mid market team. Well, what can
they afford so.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
They can every once in all afford to spend like
maybe three four hundred million dollars on a player. Once
they do that, they can't do that again.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's three or four, yeah, threety six years before they
find anybody that one wants to come to Cleveland. I
mean it's question one right now.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, like why do you long ago Cleveland? Yeah? Home
mirror is there, right. He gets paid like thirty some
forty some million dollars a year to just exist in Cleveland. Yeah, yeah,
so they don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But yeah, I think going back to that conversation about
the cap, I mean I really think that there's you know,
it's a it's a really big discussion and it should
be very fluid. And I don't know, I don't know
what the conversations are right now, what it looks like,
but I feel that there's needs to be a lot
of the floor. Absolutely, there should be a floor out there, and.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Let's say a floor of ninety mili because let's look
at Tampa. They field the team about ninety MILLI year
and they are okay, you're talking with team level, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, I would say good player level. So yeah, absolutely,
and a ninety million dollar team is well within reach.
I mean, you've got a handful of them between seventy
five and ninety five right now.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And then like a team cap would be.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Three times that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I would say, put it at two twenty for the
first three arson after they increase the two forty for
a little bit. Yeah, I mean, and the grandfather in
the current contracts, right, let those contracts expire filter out,
and that's how I would do it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean, you almost got a that way you.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Have like every that way you disperse the talent, right
and more teams have a chance to right do something.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, So then that brings up a whole other thought
process about what is if if the Yankees are willing
to spend money on you, but would go above the cap,
why would would the Yankees be more interested in paying
a fine or a fee by going a of the
cap to sign that talent or are they more interested
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to stay within the confines of the cap and the
floor just so that well, that thought process of spreading
out talent is being achieved.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, this is like a hard cap we're talking, not
the soft cap of the luxury tax. Yankees right now
try to avoid the luxury caps like taxes at all costs.
Which is they're the Yankees. They have a limited money, correct,
the Dodgers they have they're well above the luxury tax.
They they have like all like a billion dollars and
like bird payments, so they they've mortgaged their future.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right they continue too. Yeah, it's no different.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, And Steve Corner of the mess just humps his
own money and.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Shit he does. And unfortunately for the guy, he's been
more messed than in the last two years that has.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Spent another like eight hundred million dollars in some other.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And I don't understand it. I mean, you you know,
I get it. You have to play with the Jones
and the Jones right now in New York the Yankees,
so you have to play in that ball game. But man,
I mean, and I don't think. I didn't think city
Field was that expensive a stadium. It was built probably
ten years ago maybe, so I don't think it was
that expensive. But I mean, is it really the taxes
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that are driving? Okay, so you're gonna spend all this
money on more players and again go back to our
original conversation about pricing. Tip pans out a ticket out
of tickets. That's what you're gonna end up with half
empty stadiums, which I don't know now. Is is city
Field even being filled for the Mets.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I find it hard to believe it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Be packed a stream off the MLB TV where it
will be happen a while, right Like I don't because
I focused more when I'm watching games on small and
mid market team. I ignored the Cubs, I ignored the Dodgers.
I ignore the Yankees. Now, then when we look at
like the salary caps of like the I know for
sure like NBA and NHL that they can do trades
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to go above the cap if they're like I think,
if they're rental. Okay, I think that's how that works.
I would define a rental as someone who's on the
team for like either half a season or a year
and a half, like within that range.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So they've got a less than two years left on
their contract per se.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and they're traded to another team that I would
call that a rental.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, yeah, I agreed, and that would make sense. But
I mean, you don't want to discourage that because I mean,
as Milwaukee fans, we knew what that CC Sabbathia was.
That's exactly what he was. He was a rental. Everybody
knew that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
With the team for a year and a half yep. Yeah,
or whether rentals can you think?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, but I think that's a prime example.
So you don't want to discourage that because it gives
teams like Milwaukee or whomever, what other mid market team
finding a a a gem if you will, to finish
out the season and make a run. That was pretty special.
In Milwaukee history. So but it was it was well
known that after six months, CEC was not going to
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be living in Milwaukee. He wasn't going to be nowhere
near the Brewers organization. And that's fine, but if you
can at least incorporate something like that, I think that
is certainly that makes sense. I mean, because that's the
fun of the trade deadline too. I mean, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Love the trade deadline right now. I do to an extent.
I do mess the waiver trades because he could get
something like the Verlander trade of twenty seventeen that sent
them from Detroit over to Houston. Right, that was like,
holy crap.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right yep.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And as you know, Verlander's been going on Hall of
Fame like Sures.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And absolutely he should. I mean, the man who's been
a workhourse his entire career and no matter what stadium
he's pitching and he's done well. I mean you you
didn't want to face he didn't want to face Verlander
in in Detroit or Houston for that matter. I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Wasn't with the Mets for a little bit. But then
the Mets were like, yeah, we need offloads.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We need we need some catch.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Probably yes, here's here's a five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Here's your empty blank paycheck. Puts take what you need
out of it. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm I'm, I mean
he both him matures. There have been workhourses and you know,
I admire their careers because they're still playing amongst a
bunch of young players who are throwing faster than them,
throwing harder than them.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But yeah, oh yeah, like the average hit or their
production starts dropping after the age thirty age thirty one, yeah, pictures,
they have a significantly less of a decline, and that
decline starts a little later, and by the time they're
forty five, they're still able to be somewhat useful. Even
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at that point. They should be relegated to a both
and roll, right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
If even at all. I mean that's at forty five
years old, if you're playing baseball, you're you've got you've
treated yourself very well, taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
There was like a couple of pitchers in history that
made it to fifty or almost two to fifty pitching
in the league.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, but you got to go back thirty years, go
to Nolan Ryan. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Then you have what there was a guy who pitched
for Colorado who ended his career age forty seven or
forty eight. The current guy who's who might do that
as Rich Hill, who's like forty four.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I think he's only played with like twelve teams
or something. He's he's been a journeyman at you know,
to the definition.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, to the definition. And then Charlie Morton, he has
like years like where he like in his later years
where he was just absolutely phenomenal, other years where he's
just kind of there and he's like thirty nine, forty
and he's he's still so viable. Yeah, Yeah, he's still viable.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And that's the the part that's the part that amazed
me is that you know, you you've got all these
younger starting pitchers that go five innings maybe six, and
then you got this this old guy coming in says, yeah,
I'll throw seven. Don't come at me until as seven
is done, you know, or unless I have an absolute
disaster happened.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah. Now, have you ever heard over played the baseball
management sim of otpre out of the Park?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I've seen it and I've always been interested to do it,
but I know that I have to be fully vested
in terms of time and brainwave bandwidth. There's a lot
of stuff on that side.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm I've been like, I used to do it every
other year, but then recently started doing more major updates
whenever there's a major update or a couple of years,
and then there's enough roster changes all right, time to
getting the new version.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I getting the new version, okay, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it's like, all right, now I can set some
of the rules. So yes, I'm going to including the
salary cap, and then I do a couple other things.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I can get a like a Borderline Championship franchise to
win a World Series in like two or three seasons.
After that they're winning one hundred and ten games per year.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But I also do is I'll go through and I'll
look at the numbers of what's currently look the numbers
that they're projecting on OTB. I'm like, that seems a
little off. Let's bump these numbers to the averages and
make things more accurate. And then they tank the pitchers
defensive abilities and o TP. I'm like, those guys are
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not terrible defense. Let's just bump these up just slightly
and then go from there yep.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And see that's the that's the part that I know
I need to have that focus on.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you have to know how to like build, like
to stimulate like contract talks and that stuff too, where
you're like, all right, player wants X amount dollars and
then you have like certain incentives, but they don't have
all the incentives that they actually haven't realized right right,
there's only three or four options. But it's pretty cool.
My dad and I do it every year and we
run that, say a foul for four or five in
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game seasons, okay, and it's there's a lot he writes
on a piece of paper because he looks a screen
it because let me look at this, and then all right,
this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's amazing, I mean, and and and what was I
think the NFL tried to do something like that at
one point, NFL coach or something. It was, Yeah, I
mean that they tried to do some type of simulation.
But it's so much It makes so much more sense
to do with baseball because your number of factors that
play into that game are coaches.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, and you also have to manage a minor system
where you have to set the coaches for that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So three four levels of additional four rosters that you
need to understand who's doing what and when and where and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well it's like so you can also choose if you
want to manage the whole thing yourself, or you can
have the AI managers.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, well I do what I do?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Is I say, all right, so firing like major league
coaches and hiring major league coaches and level that I do.
If it's something like forty man roster, like like major
league roster, I'll manage that, saying the lineups and the
and like like who your rotation and like the rotation
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like those roles, I'll primarily manage that. But for let's
say the coaching roles, I'll have the AI do that
where it would set the team. I would And if
someone is let's say in the minor league system, says
like hey, this guy's ability for coaching is poor or terrible,
I go like, all right, you're fired, fired, fire fired,
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go back to hire hire everyone, hire everyone who's mildly decent.
And then sometimes you can get a thing where a
former player or you have to sometimes just be like hey,
I think that guy would like used to be interested
in coaching in the past, so you turn into coach
and they'll sometimes just aren't the stats and like and
if you don't agree with those stats, and you just
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adjust those accordingly. But you have to do that underneath
commissioner mode, which where you can where you have too
much power, and commissioner mode where you can actually really
abuse the system.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm sure you can. Is that you can do whatever
you want. You can you could fluctuate.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I only influence, so like just too like I'll do
is I will actually keep that mode on. However, what
I do with that is I'm like, all right, I'm
only going to if absolutely need be right, or if
I need to adjust numbers because some number is completely.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Like way far it just doesn't make sense exactly, like
that's the only thing it's on my checklist to do.
And now that you've explained it even further, I'm like,
all right, I guess I need to invest a Saturday
just to dive into it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Can you spend like forty, like somewhere between thirty and
fifty bucks for.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
The yeah, yeah, like that whichever platform you're on.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I do it on PC. It's parmently on PC.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You just go because I think you can do it
on Xbox too.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think, now, do you get it from Steam or
is it.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
How you go off a Steam because that's where I
should also go on the o TP website.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Got it? Okay? I have seen it on Steam now
that you mentioned it, and that's probably where because I
get on Steam enough that there's another you know, a
few other.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And they have hockey one of the same. Really, I'm
trying about hockey r hockey. See yeah, yeah, Tyler will
be here for that where you'll just end up being
guessed rather than nice.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
But it's good and it's amazing. You have to give
credit to the the producers of the game to be
able to take that and put it within reach. Yes,
I mean really put it within the fans reach, because that,
to me, that's a lot of the the the I'm
going to use an old cliche, that's a lot of
insider baseball there. There's a lot of nobody nobody talked about,
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you know, contracts and and commissioner opportunities and manage your
roles and and I mean I think now we're we're
getting more and more of an inside of it, just
with the the metrics, conversation metrics. Yeah, we're we're we're
actually people are admitting saying, yeah, we do use data
to run our operation.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And Milwaukee is like there has gone so far with
saber metrics where they're shaking hands with old school baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Oh heck, cat and you you love it. I mean,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Where one of the other teams that aren't doing that,
where they're just they're not going that far and they're
doing like the three or four true outcomes where it's
like home run, walks, strikeout or maybe a double.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yep, Well, I guess that's what That's what I mean
is nobody ever talked about this before and it was
never really a topic of conversation, but really to put
something like that into the avid fan hands is amazing.
So I would be curious and maybe you know this,
are there true major league executives that that consult on
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that game they have to.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't know if they do.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean you would.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
There's not as much in depth as because there is
pretty in depth, but it's not as in depth as
like actually doing in real life with creating the.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well okay, so then is it is it a couple
of interns who have read the MLB Baseball Rule Book
and decide, you know what I mean, though, you have to.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Understand it, learn how they can they do like, hey,
let's release the simulate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You have to understand what what is you're talking about
and how you're going to present it and what control
you're going to give before you can actually put it
out there, because you know there's going to be a
fan that says, Nope, that is absolutely incorrect, and I
can't believe they put this option there.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Let me just fix now. You can on OTP can
also hit the live start button, okay, and that'll give
you the current stats and newer production projection.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Sure, why not? I mean updates are easy. I mean
that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
They just they have an auto set for like auto
calculator probably is my guess, for like coding make life easy.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Otherwise that's way too much and they have up until
opening day and the next season to release it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Anyway, Yeah, of course, I mean you're gonna get your
most updated stats out of that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And actually why I did like way they at the
start of the season. I did similarly think like, okay,
let's say if I did a thing right, I controlled
pits or and it did Paul Skins trade. Now, the
only team that could afford Paul Skins of that trade
capital at the time was the Dodgers. Sure, and to
get Paul Skins, they would have had to give up
ten players by doing that trade and doing a couple
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of signees or signings within three or four seasons, Pittsburgh
in a World Series by just trading.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But you see that all too often though, is that
when you refill your your minor league board, that they
three years is what it takes to get through the system,
except when you're cheerio or or made it mean, yeah,
who jumps jumps them, But it takes three years to
build that. And yeah, how many times have you seen
a and and I'm probably going out on the limbit here,
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but I think the Cubs. That's how the Cubs end
up winning the World Series, right, They had their system built. Yeah,
they got a few stars in there, but I think
they had enough internal players that grew with the system.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Have Milwaukee with the best farm system in the league,
and they're running and their year to year like salary
that's on the field is usually around like one hundred
ten hundred and thirty like within that range that it
goes up to one thirty one thirty five when you
include the trades, b others. It's around like they're there.
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They are listens to the number three front office behind
Tampa and the Dodgers, and Tampa's we know they do
miracles well.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But if you you kind of take ten steps back
from the Tampa league, who doesn't want to play baseball
in Florida all year round? I mean really, I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Like Florida's just has that type of weather where you
can and but Tampa going to be eventually moving out
Saint Petersburg over to Tampa Proper where more people can't
do ten games going to Yeah, is a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It is, and and they they've pretty much given up
on it. And I think they're probably in talks to
stay at Cybebrenner Field for maybe another year. But what
what is what's the latest on that? I It hasn't
been much of a topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All you know is that they're getting new ownership, who's
playing taking them to Tampa Proper next that sales complete
at the like sometime this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Month, So you're going to put them what next to
the football stadium?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There or that I don't. And then like they're like,
there's a guy who was a part of the organization
was trying to get an LV team in Orlando who
may or may not have left that and became part
of the Raise ownership.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, so he's got some influence on on on the
Florida Sports Commission then to be able to say, hey, yeah,
this is the reason why we're making this move. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
When it comes to MLB expansion, you also have the
whole realignment debate.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And you know what I I I see all these
alignment opportunities online.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You're more of a traditionalists, So how would you do it?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know what, I'd love to see the Commission, the
Major League follow what the fans are saying. Makes sense,
but you know it's not going to happen. It is not.
I mean, you know what, if we talk about the
Central Division, Loan it's Minnesota, it's Chicago, It's Chicago, is
Milwaukee and Detroit. We throw throw a fifth one in
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there or six, either Saint Louis or Cleveland. Saint Louis
has got a little bit more opportunity to move to
this further south.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
But well, at the same time, you know, and Cleveland
could go east also knows that their marketing also helps
with the when having historical roival, where's likely Cubs in
Saint Louis, Yeah, or the True.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
In San Francisco, And that makes sense. But really so,
then you're going to say that the rivalry between the
Twins and the White Soxes is going to going to
pay some bills. I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Doubt the Brewers and Cubs are paying bills.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yes, they are always do.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
The Padres and Dodgers are paying bills.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I don't think there's anything that in the Alias that
comes close to Boston Yankee.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
No, there isn't no.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And then in the NL East you have the Mets
and Phillies and then but Atlanta's also kind of in there.
But no matter what, after having the fourth division having itself.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You have to have to push them, Yeah, have to
push him up. And I think no. The part that
I think that's interesting with Atlanta is, yes, they have
built some rival relies, but they've built how many new
stadiums in the last twenty years and.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Then most recently is just in the northern part of.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Atlanta, right, Yeah, you and I were looking at that
the other day. But I think Atlanta can can. Atlanta
is one of those teams to me that feels like
it can just it can assimilate to wherever it ends up,
and it will and we all know it's going to
be a leader. It's going to be in the top
two or three and the any whatever division they end up.
But whether they switch to playing even switch to playing
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the American League, I mean they would be they would find.
That's how good that organization is is that they have no, like, yeah,
they have no you know, they're not you know, blue
bloods of the National League or they're not you know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
At the same time, though, hearing the sound of American
League champ Atlanta Braves just sounds wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It sounds weird, but it's I mean, if that's what
the way it falls out, I think that's certainly an
option and I think would be great.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Do you think they're going to keep the NL or like,
because those are just like NFL style confuses at this point.
Or do you think they're going to go east west like?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, I think that that part of tradition will stay,
and I think the divisions ovious. Obviously the divisions.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Will change and centrals are gonna be gone. It's gonna
become North and South.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah or whatever. You know, they could do legends and
leaders like the Big Ten tried once and everybody still
shakes their head over it.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
But and then do you do with the let's say,
and then where you put the franchises, because most popular
ones I've been seeing is Nashville or Charlotte, and then
you have Portland and Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's so tough. I'm one hundred percent on board with Nashville.
In fact, I was in the Nashville area a couple
of weeks ago, and I was actually in one of
in Murphy's Borro just south of Nashville, and a couple
of people I were talking to said that Murphy's Brow
is the fastest growing city in the US right now.
So that means people are going there. And I don't
think it's any secret that literally, and I think it's
finally being talked about, which is funny, but literally Nashville
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taking business away from Vegas. Yes, so people are going
to Nashville because it's affordable right for now, for now,
but they're going to Nashville to to to have fun,
to find some you know, whether it be the music scene,
or the the entertainment scene, or the sport the sports scene.
I mean, Nashville is very very well endowed with sporting,
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sporting teams and sports and good good ones at that.
So I'm all on board on Nashville. You know, you
you if you follow the Carolina Panther football team organization,
it just kind of leaves a sour taste in.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Your minds, like do you really want to do that
to baseball? Well?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right, but I mean I I I understand that they
want to put it in that location. I just don't
think that that fits. I really think.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, now, I know the national mayor doesn't want any
publicly funded the stadiums aymore, okay, fine, do what the NFL,
Like that guy in the NFL did with the Rams,
and they all right, here's so far public funded.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeap, just outside of the city, there's enough.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
There's gonna be enough people in Nashville where there's.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Good there's some good money in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
There's gonna be people who are being like, all right,
let's do a privately funded he.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And it would it would be like so far, it
would be an entertainment mecca. I mean it wouldn't just
be a stadium, it would literally be a a a
place for concerts and outdoor festivals and and oh yeah
baseball too, you know. I mean, shoot, the place will
probably have a roof on it, so they could.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Do that's all your life tractable roof depends.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, well right right, I mean they would. They wouldn't
spare any expenses because they know that Nashville is right
on that climate you know edge where yeah it could snow,
it probably won't snow, but it's gonna mount immediately, but
still having a roof is a big deal. So yeah,
I'm all in on Nashville.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
And then for the western half where Portland or salt
Lake because like growing quite a bit, because especially like
they just got the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Right, I don't know that salt Lake is ready for
it yet. I think Portland could support it.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I think I look at what the craft that's going
on Portland where they have like all the crime and
WoT there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, but that really doesn't hurt Seattle though. I mean
Seattle is kind of in that same odd you know, Okay,
our downtown isn't great, but we got some really awesome,
uh sports teams and great scenery and and some good beers,
and you know, so they're Seattle seems to support it.
Portland to me feels like the best opportunity, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And then with the and the Nesbit map has the
most friendly map. And I believe Rob Manford asking Nesbit
to create a map and put in the athletic okay,
that has the it has everything Hell currently is, creates
the South divisions, has Colorado and Tampa swap.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Leagues, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And with that, it's like Colorado would becoming part of
the ALE South with the Royals, Houston and Texas, okay,
and then in Tampa would be in vision with Likely
Lake in Nashville, or with and Atlanta and the Marlins.
The NL West would comprise of the current The rest
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of the NLS teams are still there als the same thing,
except the AL West gets the expansion team of like
again Portland or Salt Lake. Now you have I'd like
to say it was Trevor Plof put out a map
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hereated East West and then put Arizona in the same
division as Houston in Texas and put Colorado on the
division of Salt Lake. So at that point do you
keep Colorado Arizona in the NL or ale and then
or it's moving to al and then would you put
Colorado or Arizona the same division as Salt Lake and Seattle?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
You know, I don't. It kind of goes back to
my comment on Atlanta. They could go anywhere. Really, Colorado
and Arizona haven't been around long enough to really create
any sort of true rivalry or meaningful.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Colorado is just just like Colorado, like the like Denver
is the best like of coursefield is literally the best
barn cover.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
It is if you if you've ever been there, it
is absolutely wonderful. I mean it's you know what. I
went there though, probably ten years ago, and the I mean,
besides the fact that it's a beautiful stadium, yeah, the
beer is great. And the one thing I remember is
that they had chocolate covered bacon is one of their stands.
I mean, it was an all out concession stand. Anyways,
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that's beside the point. It is it's so fun, it's
it's such a great place in that area. Denver is
it's actually pretty good too, and that is in the
middle of nowhere, right, So that's why I say there's
there's no love lost from Colorado. Or Arizona. I mean, shoot,
what is what has the the the chaos in Phoenix
and Arizona really done the sports in general. I mean,
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the whole Phoenix Coyote thing was had to ben just
a a black eye on Phoenix sports. I mean, you
don't really hear much about the Cardinals anymore. You don't
hear much about the Suns. I mean to a certain extent.
I mean during seasons, right, and and even then it's
not nearly a topic of conversation, Lego. I mean, they
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don't get me wrong. Ten years ago they had literally
plans to take over Phoenix and Tempe and make it
a sports like gigantic arena, if you will. They were
making plans to put more sporting arenas in there for
whatever other reasons. And now they can't even they couldn't
even keep the hockey team and the whole hockey thing.
I think you and I have talked about this. There's
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so many people from Wisconsin that are hockey fans that
have moved to Arizona. Hence the reason Arizona State has
an awesome hockey team. So I don't want to talk
too much about it. But again going back to the
fact that Arizona and Colorado have no allegiance to anyone
that they could fit wherever. And I think a lot
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of teams just enjoy going to Colorado. So really, if
you switch it up with the AL, it'll be another
look at it and shoot, probably fifteen twenty years Colorado,
may you go back to DNA.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I was after looking at Trevor Plue map, which at
the same time does break up historic robalries to ex sence,
I thought the map was kind of sucking in that regae.
I could see argument putting Arizona or Colorado in the
AL while putting like Tampa and the EnL. But like,
oh yeah, look the Colorado and the AL West with
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A with Seattle and the expansion team. That that those
teams are much more closer together where it's also more
originally based, which is what Manford would probably want.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Right, and you're gonna get You're gonna get a fan
base that is more regionally based.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, and you'll have like more rivalries created that way.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
So where do the A's end up then?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Would be in the same division as Seattle, the expansion
team Colorado and.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Okay, yeah that'd be fun. Why not? I mean, that's
the that that to me feels like the league that
would be just for the the fan that hasn't necessarily
locked down anybody but just likes good entertaining baseball. You're
gonna have a brand new, brand new stadium in Las Vegas.
If they do end up in Utah, they're going to
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be a brand new stadium there. Right Seattle is a
beautiful stadium. I mean it's newer, it's not brand new,
so why not. I mean you're going to see a
lot of fans go to those ballparks and realize what
new baseball.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
ATA would have to actually share their market, right well,
that which is gonna be huge.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Which is there's a lot of Florida people that drive
to Atlanta because Atlanta is just that good. It is
absolutely it is in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Leaving Milwaukee from decades ago, that was a huge controversy,
and of itself.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It was, but it's it. It seems as though it
didn't affect the goal of the Atlanta organization, which they
just continue to be successful exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I'd say it's about time around the plane. Thank you
for filling in, Thank you Trombone. Quire have to get
to and supper and all that stuff. And it's thirty
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Speaker 2 (51:02):
With us there, yeah, or tune in next time.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, I mean absolutely tune in next time. Just like
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but it's either way. You can find us listen to
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Speaker 2 (51:21):
Absolutely, and it's if you want to just hear something different,
plug us in, yeah, turn us down.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Because like baseball regular season, it's a weekly baseball podcast
and then we do current events, sports and video game
news during the off season, playoffs and the spring training
and now like before we go, I just the one
last thing popped in my brain when the lockouts happened.
The only thing we might be able to watch is
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minor league baseball.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I am a I'm a huge. That's fine by me.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, it's just something to think about and watching the game.
Is MLB out perfect?
Speaker 2 (51:58):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Thanks Brandon, of course, thank you for joining us. Bratt,
You're welcome and here from Yelo Yels. Next time, however
you want to word it,
And welcome back to say it is with Brandon and Tyler.
Tyler has a sub for this episode being brad work
with them over at iHeart. We're in the recording studio
today for this one. We were going to do this
one on Saturday, but we also had the Badger game
going on. We had and you had to collect to
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highlights during the first second half fifteen second like sat
that second fifteen minute break.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Correct, correct, it was a busy day. But though so
we'll take the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Wye and it's like we're focusing our main focus is
back to baseball after the horrific events of yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh, we're not going to revisit that, Todd I already
shared our bit long story short. If you really if
you don't want to listen to that, we're just gonna
summarize it as if you ever think violence has answered
anything and you don't care about life and when doing that,
then your opinion for the most part does not matter
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at all. However, those people should still be listened to
to try to change their mind. So that's as far
as it goes. Now, since you got that all the way, yep,
why have you ever thought about why ticket prices are
going up and up and up, and why is the
MLB tickets about to price themselves out like the mL
that like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I think it's interesting. I think you and I
kind of touched on this the other day. Is that
I take for an example, I think the example I
used was I saw there was a person looking to
attend a game at Target Field in Minneapolis twins and
and they were coming in out of town and literally
they were asking the group if it made sense for
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them to buy tickets in the three hundred level because
it was affordable per se, and then see if they
could move down to the one hundred level because of
that's what they wanted to do. But I think, more
than anything, going back to the pricing yourself up, people
aren't going to games in certain markets, and I think
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Minneapolis after their fire sale at i e. The trade deadline, Yeah,
pretty much watched their their You know they have those
dry erase boards that they give out for lineup cards.
I think they completely wiped off that dry race price.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The owners there, they were four hundred and twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Dollars, they are in debt, and then I saw that
they were actively trying to sell and then they decided
not to sell, and now.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
They're marshall sellers like certain like organizations, or they're still
the majority of owners, but the others are minority yep.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So that really kind of created some confusion amongst fans.
But I think going back to the fact that the
fire sale of the trade deadline really turned a lot
of people off. And you have to figure what sixty
seventy percent of ticket sales are season ticket holders so wired.
So going back to the original thought process I had
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was this person was trying to buy a ticket to
three hundred level because it was affordable. They were asking
if they could move down because the seats are more
than likely going to be open because fans aren't attending.
But then they couldn't afford those tickets in the first place,
so they thought they would ask if it made sense
for them to move down. Well, obviously that goes back
to the question tickets are overpriced. If you've got a
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consumer that is saying, well, I'm going to buy this,
I'm going to take a risk, a crazy risk, not
deadly risk, not you know, life ending risk, but a
risk moving in my three hundred level seat down to
the hundred level because there's open seats there.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, well what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah? What what's driving the consumer were to have to
go that route?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
They're like, you have the like the demand of tickets
because they are growing in fans, but people aren't attending
games because of the again ticket prices, but they also
have limited supplies. They also apply to demand.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Then, if you look at last year for the White
Sox at the end of the season, they're basically selling
tickets for like ten bucks for nosebleeds and because no
one was at tening the games.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Because they're that, I wouldn't be surprised they're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean they went to the front like they're like, hey,
we can buy the tickets for the upper texts in
the front road because no one's gonna be here.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Anything, right, right, No, And I again wouldn't be surprised
if still that's the same same thought. Press is going
to guaranteed a rate field. Now it's guaranteed, not guaranteed, right,
but it's rate field.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah. And then the teams do. According to Google, they
teams do try to use dynamic pricing, where ticket prices
changed based off anticipaid demand for specific games like rivalries,
or if let's say the Yankees come down right Thetani.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And the Dodger yep, yep, agreed.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And then you also have like player salaries which are
skyrocketing through the roof. And then you also have like
the red sale markets like game Time and.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is and I think those are getting a lot of
play right now. I mean I haven't used them recently,
but I think you said you might have used him
in the recent.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Pastor I've been like my dad and I've been using
them for the past several years. We've been able to
get like seats in the first deck, usually sometimes a
few rows away from the field. And then for playoff games,
I would tell like a group I would I went
into playoff games over my life, and the second one
I asked my college radio co host if he won,
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he wanted to take his dad to a playoff game.
And then we went to a playoff game and we
went to the left field bleacher seats. The so, yeah,
we got the playoff out.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
But you went at a discounted price, like we.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
All like we like to an extent, we went to
where like we're said, a good deal on it, because
their playoff tickets are a higher price than because again, playoffs,
it makes sense playing the playoffs. When we went to
the Uker Celebration of Life.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Game, okay, just a couple of weeks ago, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yep, my dad was like, oh yeah, we should totally
go to that, right, So Tyler to the game and
my dad went waited until a couple of months before
game tickets and they are already starting creep up. Wef
we would have gone, right is there announced? We have
gone those tickets for sixty to seventy bucks and at
the time we got them, they creeped up just over.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
One hundred oh easily. Yeah, that was a very high demand.
And that was at the same time that was when
the team was going through its sellout phase. And I
don't think they're selling out as often anymore, but there
was a stretch of what six or eight games that
they sold out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
When the UKER Celebration of Life game was announced, you
knew that game.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Was yeah, yeah, standy ramone tickets were going for almost
one hundred blocks I'm sure as well.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So yeah, and then with the whole ticket prices with
like this is player salaries, there is a reason why
you have twenty eight of thirty teams where their owners
kind of want to put a salary cap in place,
but ye, at the same time kind of don't. The
players like Bryce Harper say hey, we don't want a
salary cap, and the super agents like Scott Boris also
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don't want a salary cap for obvious reasons, right man
Fred says, yes, there should be a salary cap. Now.
With a salary cap, oftentimes there comes with a floor
for teams like the Athletics or Pittsburgh to actually invest
money in their team to actually make them actually better,
so that way people actually want to go to the games,
so that they want to navigate that they should go
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by a fans first approach. Sure, but when that that
discussion is going to happen after the next season.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
They're amongst another a bunch of other hot topics that
are out there as well.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And it's going to end up because
to be very busy, Yes, yeah, wintermin is going to
be busy there. There's going to be a lockout. It
could potentially wait wait.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Wait wait, you're okay, so you're you're serious that that
that and the lockout is going to be because of.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
This, because of player salaries.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And the cap and okay, okay, I guess I hadn't
seen a whole lot, but all right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, no, I've been keeping an eye on it. Bryce
Harper told Manfred to go f himself.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So I'm guessing then the current contract ends after the
twenty sixth season, is that? Why? Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, that's when the current player contract agreement ends.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, they've got a lot of flesh out on that.
I mean, not only is it just the salary cap,
but you've got the whole you know, automatic umpire thing,
and you've got.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like ABS is going to be a good change. That's
gonna be like yeah, it should be, Yeah, yeah, it
should be. Now our player Like what they found in
the miners is that you have catchers making the other
team waste their challenges. We're like the ABS challenges, okay,
where they would touch the ball and quickly do a
dramatic thing to make it look like a ball and
make the umpire sit a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
They're framing it in the other direction to create a
visual Yeah okay, all.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Right, and then sometimes like players would like do their
little helmets.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Hap. I love that. That is such an it just
it brings me joy to see a player and I
think you and I talked about this the other day.
It brings me joy to see a player take control,
or have the ability to take control of their at bat.
I mean, yes, they are standing in the box, they
are an active player engaged in the game of baseball.
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But when something doesn't necessarily go the way they think
it should. Because they're professionals, they've they've seen them ball
or strike yeah, in their whatever, however long their career
may be. But for them to be able to say nope,
I want to take that challenge instead of having to
wait for whatever angle the manager sees or whatever the
you know, the replay official. See. So anyways, I totally
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got off boarded. But but I love that. I love
that the fact that players have control the question can do.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
The same thing too.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, so I think they be a challenge. This is
going to be a good addition to the MLB. However,
it does need to be regulated where they have to
put a rule in place saying catchers can't do that
to try and force the teams are challenge.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, but let me let me question that, because we
all know that framing is very much a part of
the is very much a part of the umpire's end
decision of where a call and strike is. It has
become more and more apparent in the last three to
five years, probably the last three years, more and more
specifically that being able to frame a pitch is going
to influence the umpire's call. So if a catcher is
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good enough to frame a pitch to get a call
from it, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
There shouldn't be anything wrong with except that the strike
zone should be universal where it's like, okay, but then
the width of the place between like just under the
armpits letter area to just above like.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
The knee agreed, So that uniform will be there. So
you're your catcher is going to have to readjust their
their plan or their position to be able to fame
frame it accordingly. But two those are that's all relative
based in the player's height. Yes, right, So so again
it's going to fluctuate a little bit more, but it's
not going to then have the human part of whatever
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your strike zone looks like today.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, and now that that because like, look, how many
other sports are universal theirs? Stuff that would be like
although baseball, yes, is more traditional yep, and it's like
significantly older right, right. That part is something especially with
everything and all the camera angles, and when you watch games,
we can see like the strikes on box like where
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it should be.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
That's the intent is to show you where it should be.
But but you know, again we see more often than
not that there are calls outside that box.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That good because the plate right and then you have
pictures are clearly strikes get called ball right, and that's
where ABS is handing. Now, I do I think that
players shouldn't be challenging stuff Willynilly. If let's say it's
like a half an inch off the plate, no, because
that's a borderline area. It just clips the box right,
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It could go either way. It's when it hits like
one and a half two three four inches like all right,
maybe you should do the ABS how correct?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, And I think that's fair. But I think it's
it's something that you know as a catcher, you're going
to see it firsthand. So whether you feel that whatever
your picture of that strike zone frame is, if you're
confident enough to call it, I mean that's you because
that's the one facet of a catcher is that you're
calling the game per se. I mean ninety percent well
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not even probably closer to fifty percent of the time
you're calling it and you see it more often than
not that the picture counts on you to call the game.
Besides being a batter, a good batter to play in
the game. So if you've got the skills to be
able to understand what your strike zone should look like
and can frame it, I'm not you know that. You
know what, I don't have those kind of reflex It's
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like the same reflexes you see as a second basement
or shortstop starting a double play that literally the ball
comes at them above their head and their arm automatically
goes from their head to their hip to the ground
and tags the batter. I don't know that that's a normal,
normal movement. I mean that is something that is learned.
So if you can do that again, that's the same
thing with a catcher, if you could figure out how
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to frame and make it look normal, like a normal
action at A lot of catchers are good at that,
So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
If they really push on on restricting the amount of
calls that the catcher can really.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Change that that's fair. That would be interesting. Now, do
you have an idea what you think appropriate cap and
floor would be for a salary cap. Question does have
a salary cap?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
They do, and I think to the NFL and their
player minimums is, like last I looked, it was over
three hundred thousand. I don't know, it's probably closer to
four hundred.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now, but all is I think currently at seven hundred
and forty or seven hundred and sixty thousand, and then
they get taxed f fifty so they only get to
keep like half of that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So in terms of what those caps should be, I mean,
it's I really think it bases, it goes on the team.
I don't know. I mean each team is going to
be able to to spend and put income and and
and really provide whatever their actual revenues are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And then the revenue sharing as well, correct.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So all of them get hit with that. So what
can you afford? I mean, afford is a really really
vague term in terms of baseball, because you know what,
it's no secret that the Pirates organization is not going
to make money playing baseball, you know, I really I
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thought that initially. But let Paul Skins build his story
himself with out an organization that is flashy like the Yankees,
or flashy like the Astros and the Dodgers, or let
him build his story in Pittsburgh. His value will triple
by the time he ends his Rooky contract because he
built him his story himself. And I think that's important.
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And I really think that's where he's really digging in
to the culture in Pittsburgh and really becoming a part
of that community. So they all know, this is Paul Skeins.
This is what I do is play baseball, and I
do it really, really, really well.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
He's he's going to be.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh yeah, no, without a doubt. He's got every tool
available to him, and he's proving a day in and
day out, whether his team wins or not, he is
putting out his best effort and damn good baseball in.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
A regulars And his era is what just under two
and that's something.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And you go look at the stats and that is
unheard of. That's not even attainable for most.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Pictures, like other like things are unheard of. Most catchers
in the modern day can't hit above like two thirty.
And you have Cal Ray, who's hitting to.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
The right, who's going to break a home run record
here in the next seven to ten days or at
least he's going to tie what Mandal's record?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He's yeah, and then after he says, after that is Griffy.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And fifty six, right, and after that is.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Trying to tire or pass Judge, which he probably.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Won't Judge is what at sixty.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Six Judge's record I think is sixty two?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is that all right?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But Judge, at the same time this year was hurt
for part of the year. When he came back, he
was aging only for quite a while. Yeah, and at
that time he was only hitting like two twenties. So
then goes into the alm VP debate. Is it cal
or is it Judge? Well, you know, now is a
catcher who's doing a platinum great.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
He is doing he is setting a precedent, which is
so weird to say in this day and age in baseball.
That one you've got a guy in a in a
market that really doesn't get a lot of recognition. The
Mariners market is what it is. I mean, it's You've
got a lot of great baseball fans in Seattle and
a lot of support along that West coast. But if
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if you asked me who the starting first basement was
for the Seattle Mariners. There's a chance that I don't know,
I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because they're traded. We know it's currently Josh Naylor, but
was gonna be after.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
That we see and I didn't even know that, which
is that's how much I pay attention to it. But
to the sentiment of an MVP is most valuable? Are
you valuable to the team and the division and or baseball?
So I'm gonna put all my money on Raleigh. I
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just he is exactly that, he meets all, he checks
all three of those boxes to be valuable to baseball nonetheless, right, So,
I don't think there's any doubt that, I mean, unless
the guy falls apart in the next eight weeks, which
we've all seen it happen. I mean, there's a very
good chance he something happens. I'm not even gonna say
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if it's an injury or anything, because I'll probably curse the guy,
you know, I have that kind of luck. But if
something right now, he should be hands down m v P.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And judge being number two at that point, and.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Why not who else? Who else you have in the
in the a L that is.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's only judging cal for the discussion, Sure, judge like,
if he's out, then the Yankees can't hit, right, and we
know the Yankees bullpen is useless.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right right. I think as as as Milwaukee fans, I
think that is a is a very well known topic.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yes, it's like ah, yes, says over a Delvin Williams,
who he hasn't recovered since Peter A.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Lonzoso wrecked that guy's brain. He really did. I mean,
I go back to that and the the the conversation
where he punched the punched the wall and broke his
hand the year before or two years before, and I'm like,
it's it's just rough. So so anyways, going back to
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the m VP conversation, Yeah, I think it's without a doubt, right,
And I know.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We already knew about halfway through the season.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And well, okay, so we're the V.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Then al is it Schooble or is Boston Again?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I go back to that valuable part, and I mean,
you're you're seeing things. You're seeing this Detroit team do
things that again nobody expected, and they did it last year.
They's not getting to the playoffs last year, I know,
and I think we're every every baseball fan was surprised
as I was that all of a sudden, we're talking
Detroit in the second round of the playoffs last year.
You know, I mean, okay, great, you know, I I
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love CA America Park, I love I love Detroit Sports.
But man, I just I think it's Google because again,
he's he's he's supporting that team in this forward effort
they got going on right now.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean that's yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But but then going back to the conversation about about
team spending money, obviously we know Pittsburgh is never going
to make money.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
So Detroit makes money, but they're also mid mark.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
They're right in that same category. Cleveland's another one that's that, Yeah,
that is in that mid market team. Well, what can
they afford so.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
They can every once in all afford to spend like
maybe three four hundred million dollars on a player. Once
they do that, they can't do that again.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's three or four, yeah, threety six years before they
find anybody that one wants to come to Cleveland. I
mean it's question one right now.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, like why do you long ago Cleveland? Yeah? Home
mirror is there, right. He gets paid like thirty some
forty some million dollars a year to just exist in Cleveland. Yeah, yeah,
so they don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
But yeah, I think going back to that conversation about
the cap, I mean I really think that there's you know,
it's a it's a really big discussion and it should
be very fluid. And I don't know, I don't know
what the conversations are right now, what it looks like,
but I feel that there's needs to be a lot
of the floor. Absolutely, there should be a floor out there, and.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Let's say a floor of ninety mili because let's look
at Tampa. They field the team about ninety MILLI year
and they are okay, you're talking with team level, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, I would say good player level. So yeah, absolutely,
and a ninety million dollar team is well within reach.
I mean, you've got a handful of them between seventy
five and ninety five right now.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
And then like a team cap would be.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Three times that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I would say, put it at two twenty for the
first three arson after they increase the two forty for
a little bit. Yeah, I mean, and the grandfather in
the current contracts, right, let those contracts expire filter out,
and that's how I would do it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, I mean, you almost got a that way you.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Have like every that way you disperse the talent, right
and more teams have a chance to right do something.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, So then that brings up a whole other thought
process about what is if if the Yankees are willing
to spend money on you, but would go above the cap,
why would would the Yankees be more interested in paying
a fine or a fee by going a of the
cap to sign that talent or are they more interested
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to stay within the confines of the cap and the
floor just so that well, that thought process of spreading
out talent is being achieved.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, this is like a hard cap we're talking, not
the soft cap of the luxury tax. Yankees right now
try to avoid the luxury caps like taxes at all costs.
Which is they're the Yankees. They have a limited money, correct,
the Dodgers they have they're well above the luxury tax.
They they have like all like a billion dollars and
like bird payments, so they they've mortgaged their future.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Right they continue too. Yeah, it's no different.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, And Steve Corner of the mess just humps his
own money and.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Shit he does. And unfortunately for the guy, he's been
more messed than in the last two years that has.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Spent another like eight hundred million dollars in some other.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And I don't understand it. I mean, you you know,
I get it. You have to play with the Jones
and the Jones right now in New York the Yankees,
so you have to play in that ball game. But man,
I mean, and I don't think. I didn't think city
Field was that expensive a stadium. It was built probably
ten years ago maybe, so I don't think it was
that expensive. But I mean, is it really the taxes
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that are driving? Okay, so you're gonna spend all this
money on more players and again go back to our
original conversation about pricing. Tip pans out a ticket out
of tickets. That's what you're gonna end up with half
empty stadiums, which I don't know now. Is is city
Field even being filled for the Mets.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I find it hard to believe it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Be packed a stream off the MLB TV where it
will be happen a while, right Like I don't because
I focused more when I'm watching games on small and
mid market team. I ignored the Cubs, I ignored the Dodgers.
I ignore the Yankees. Now, then when we look at
like the salary caps of like the I know for
sure like NBA and NHL that they can do trades
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to go above the cap if they're like I think,
if they're rental. Okay, I think that's how that works.
I would define a rental as someone who's on the
team for like either half a season or a year
and a half, like within that range.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So they've got a less than two years left on
their contract per se.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and they're traded to another team that I would
call that a rental.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, yeah, I agreed, and that would make sense. But
I mean, you don't want to discourage that because I mean,
as Milwaukee fans, we knew what that CC Sabbathia was.
That's exactly what he was. He was a rental. Everybody
knew that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
With the team for a year and a half yep. Yeah,
or whether rentals can you think?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, I mean, but I think that's a prime example.
So you don't want to discourage that because it gives
teams like Milwaukee or whomever, what other mid market team
finding a a a gem if you will, to finish
out the season and make a run. That was pretty special.
In Milwaukee history. So but it was it was well
known that after six months, CEC was not going to
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be living in Milwaukee. He wasn't going to be nowhere
near the Brewers organization. And that's fine, but if you
can at least incorporate something like that, I think that
is certainly that makes sense. I mean, because that's the
fun of the trade deadline too. I mean, oh, I.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Love the trade deadline right now. I do to an extent.
I do mess the waiver trades because he could get
something like the Verlander trade of twenty seventeen that sent
them from Detroit over to Houston. Right, that was like,
holy crap.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right yep.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And as you know, Verlander's been going on Hall of
Fame like Sures.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
And absolutely he should. I mean, the man who's been
a workhourse his entire career and no matter what stadium
he's pitching and he's done well. I mean you you
didn't want to face he didn't want to face Verlander
in in Detroit or Houston for that matter. I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Wasn't with the Mets for a little bit. But then
the Mets were like, yeah, we need offloads.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
We need we need some catch.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Probably yes, here's here's a five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Here's your empty blank paycheck. Puts take what you need
out of it. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm I'm, I mean
he both him matures. There have been workhourses and you know,
I admire their careers because they're still playing amongst a
bunch of young players who are throwing faster than them,
throwing harder than them.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But yeah, oh yeah, like the average hit or their
production starts dropping after the age thirty age thirty one, yeah, pictures,
they have a significantly less of a decline, and that
decline starts a little later, and by the time they're
forty five, they're still able to be somewhat useful. Even
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at that point. They should be relegated to a both
and roll, right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
If even at all. I mean that's at forty five
years old, if you're playing baseball, you're you've got you've
treated yourself very well, taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
There was like a couple of pitchers in history that
made it to fifty or almost two to fifty pitching
in the league.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, but you got to go back thirty years, go
to Nolan Ryan. Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Then you have what there was a guy who pitched
for Colorado who ended his career age forty seven or
forty eight. The current guy who's who might do that
as Rich Hill, who's like forty four.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, I think he's only played with like twelve teams
or something. He's he's been a journeyman at you know,
to the definition.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, to the definition. And then Charlie Morton, he has
like years like where he like in his later years
where he was just absolutely phenomenal, other years where he's
just kind of there and he's like thirty nine, forty
and he's he's still so viable. Yeah, Yeah, he's still viable.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And that's the the part that's the part that amazed
me is that you know, you you've got all these
younger starting pitchers that go five innings maybe six, and
then you got this this old guy coming in says, yeah,
I'll throw seven. Don't come at me until as seven
is done, you know, or unless I have an absolute
disaster happened.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah. Now, have you ever heard over played the baseball
management sim of otpre out of the Park?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I've seen it and I've always been interested to do it,
but I know that I have to be fully vested
in terms of time and brainwave bandwidth. There's a lot
of stuff on that side.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm I've been like, I used to do it every
other year, but then recently started doing more major updates
whenever there's a major update or a couple of years,
and then there's enough roster changes all right, time to
getting the new version.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I getting the new version, okay, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it's like, all right, now I can set some
of the rules. So yes, I'm going to including the
salary cap, and then I do a couple other things.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I can get a like a Borderline Championship franchise to
win a World Series in like two or three seasons.
After that they're winning one hundred and ten games per year.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But I also do is I'll go through and I'll
look at the numbers of what's currently look the numbers
that they're projecting on OTB. I'm like, that seems a
little off. Let's bump these numbers to the averages and
make things more accurate. And then they tank the pitchers
defensive abilities and o TP. I'm like, those guys are
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not terrible defense. Let's just bump these up just slightly
and then go from there yep.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And see that's the that's the part that I know
I need to have that focus on.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you have to know how to like build, like
to stimulate like contract talks and that stuff too, where
you're like, all right, player wants X amount dollars and
then you have like certain incentives, but they don't have
all the incentives that they actually haven't realized right right,
there's only three or four options. But it's pretty cool.
My dad and I do it every year and we
run that, say a foul for four or five in
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game seasons, okay, and it's there's a lot he writes
on a piece of paper because he looks a screen
it because let me look at this, and then all right,
this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's amazing, I mean, and and and what was I
think the NFL tried to do something like that at
one point, NFL coach or something. It was, Yeah, I
mean that they tried to do some type of simulation.
But it's so much It makes so much more sense
to do with baseball because your number of factors that
play into that game are coaches.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, and you also have to manage a minor system
where you have to set the coaches for that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So three four levels of additional four rosters that you
need to understand who's doing what and when and where and.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well it's like so you can also choose if you
want to manage the whole thing yourself, or you can
have the AI managers.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay, well I do what I do?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Is I say, all right, so firing like major league
coaches and hiring major league coaches and level that I do.
If it's something like forty man roster, like like major
league roster, I'll manage that, saying the lineups and the
and like like who your rotation and like the rotation
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like those roles, I'll primarily manage that. But for let's
say the coaching roles, I'll have the AI do that
where it would set the team. I would And if
someone is let's say in the minor league system, says
like hey, this guy's ability for coaching is poor or terrible,
I go like, all right, you're fired, fired, fire fired,
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go back to hire hire everyone, hire everyone who's mildly decent.
And then sometimes you can get a thing where a
former player or you have to sometimes just be like hey,
I think that guy would like used to be interested
in coaching in the past, so you turn into coach
and they'll sometimes just aren't the stats and like and
if you don't agree with those stats, and you just
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adjust those accordingly. But you have to do that underneath
commissioner mode, which where you can where you have too
much power, and commissioner mode where you can actually really
abuse the system.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm sure you can. Is that you can do whatever
you want. You can you could fluctuate.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I only influence, so like just too like I'll do
is I will actually keep that mode on. However, what
I do with that is I'm like, all right, I'm
only going to if absolutely need be right, or if
I need to adjust numbers because some number is completely.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Like way far it just doesn't make sense exactly, like
that's the only thing it's on my checklist to do.
And now that you've explained it even further, I'm like,
all right, I guess I need to invest a Saturday
just to dive into it.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Can you spend like forty, like somewhere between thirty and
fifty bucks for.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
The yeah, yeah, like that whichever platform you're on.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I do it on PC. It's parmently on PC.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You just go because I think you can do it
on Xbox too.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I think, now, do you get it from Steam or
is it.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
How you go off a Steam because that's where I
should also go on the o TP website.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Got it? Okay? I have seen it on Steam now
that you mentioned it, and that's probably where because I
get on Steam enough that there's another you know, a
few other.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And they have hockey one of the same. Really, I'm
trying about hockey r hockey. See yeah, yeah, Tyler will
be here for that where you'll just end up being
guessed rather than nice.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
But it's good and it's amazing. You have to give
credit to the the producers of the game to be
able to take that and put it within reach. Yes,
I mean really put it within the fans reach, because that,
to me, that's a lot of the the the I'm
going to use an old cliche, that's a lot of
insider baseball there. There's a lot of nobody nobody talked about,
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you know, contracts and and commissioner opportunities and manage your
roles and and I mean I think now we're we're
getting more and more of an inside of it, just
with the the metrics, conversation metrics. Yeah, we're we're we're
actually people are admitting saying, yeah, we do use data
to run our operation.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And Milwaukee is like there has gone so far with
saber metrics where they're shaking hands with old school baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Oh heck, cat and you you love it. I mean,
and that's.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Where one of the other teams that aren't doing that,
where they're just they're not going that far and they're
doing like the three or four true outcomes where it's
like home run, walks, strikeout or maybe a double.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yep, Well, I guess that's what That's what I mean
is nobody ever talked about this before and it was
never really a topic of conversation, but really to put
something like that into the avid fan hands is amazing.
So I would be curious and maybe you know this,
are there true major league executives that that consult on
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that game they have to.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't know if they do.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean you would.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
There's not as much in depth as because there is
pretty in depth, but it's not as in depth as
like actually doing in real life with creating the.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well okay, so then is it is it a couple
of interns who have read the MLB Baseball Rule Book
and decide, you know what I mean, though, you have to.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Understand it, learn how they can they do like, hey,
let's release the simulate.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
You have to understand what what is you're talking about
and how you're going to present it and what control
you're going to give before you can actually put it
out there, because you know there's going to be a
fan that says, Nope, that is absolutely incorrect, and I
can't believe they put this option there.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Let me just fix now. You can on OTP can
also hit the live start button, okay, and that'll give
you the current stats and newer production projection.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Sure, why not? I mean updates are easy. I mean
that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
They just they have an auto set for like auto
calculator probably is my guess, for like coding make life easy.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Otherwise that's way too much and they have up until
opening day and the next season to release it.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Anyway, Yeah, of course, I mean you're gonna get your
most updated stats out of that.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And actually why I did like way they at the
start of the season. I did similarly think like, okay,
let's say if I did a thing right, I controlled
pits or and it did Paul Skins trade. Now, the
only team that could afford Paul Skins of that trade
capital at the time was the Dodgers. Sure, and to
get Paul Skins, they would have had to give up
ten players by doing that trade and doing a couple
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of signees or signings within three or four seasons, Pittsburgh
in a World Series by just trading.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But you see that all too often though, is that
when you refill your your minor league board, that they
three years is what it takes to get through the system,
except when you're cheerio or or made it mean, yeah,
who jumps jumps them, But it takes three years to
build that. And yeah, how many times have you seen
a and and I'm probably going out on the limbit here,
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but I think the Cubs. That's how the Cubs end
up winning the World Series, right, They had their system built. Yeah,
they got a few stars in there, but I think
they had enough internal players that grew with the system.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Have Milwaukee with the best farm system in the league,
and they're running and their year to year like salary
that's on the field is usually around like one hundred
ten hundred and thirty like within that range that it
goes up to one thirty one thirty five when you
include the trades, b others. It's around like they're there.
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They are listens to the number three front office behind
Tampa and the Dodgers, and Tampa's we know they do
miracles well.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
But if you you kind of take ten steps back
from the Tampa league, who doesn't want to play baseball
in Florida all year round? I mean really, I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Like Florida's just has that type of weather where you
can and but Tampa going to be eventually moving out
Saint Petersburg over to Tampa Proper where more people can't
do ten games going to Yeah, is a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It is, and and they they've pretty much given up
on it. And I think they're probably in talks to
stay at Cybebrenner Field for maybe another year. But what
what is what's the latest on that? I It hasn't
been much of a topic of conversation.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All you know is that they're getting new ownership, who's
playing taking them to Tampa Proper next that sales complete
at the like sometime this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Month, So you're going to put them what next to
the football stadium?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
There or that I don't. And then like they're like,
there's a guy who was a part of the organization
was trying to get an LV team in Orlando who
may or may not have left that and became part
of the Raise ownership.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, so he's got some influence on on on the
Florida Sports Commission then to be able to say, hey, yeah,
this is the reason why we're making this move. Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
When it comes to MLB expansion, you also have the
whole realignment debate.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And you know what I I I see all these
alignment opportunities online.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
You're more of a traditionalists, So how would you do it?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know what, I'd love to see the Commission, the
Major League follow what the fans are saying. Makes sense,
but you know it's not going to happen. It is not.
I mean, you know what, if we talk about the
Central Division, Loan it's Minnesota, it's Chicago, It's Chicago, is
Milwaukee and Detroit. We throw throw a fifth one in
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there or six, either Saint Louis or Cleveland. Saint Louis
has got a little bit more opportunity to move to
this further south.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
But well, at the same time, you know, and Cleveland
could go east also knows that their marketing also helps
with the when having historical roival, where's likely Cubs in
Saint Louis, Yeah, or the True.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
In San Francisco, And that makes sense. But really so,
then you're going to say that the rivalry between the
Twins and the White Soxes is going to going to
pay some bills. I doubt it.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Doubt the Brewers and Cubs are paying bills.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yes, they are always do.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
The Padres and Dodgers are paying bills.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I don't think there's anything that in the Alias that
comes close to Boston Yankee.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
No, there isn't no.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
And then in the NL East you have the Mets
and Phillies and then but Atlanta's also kind of in there.
But no matter what, after having the fourth division having itself.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You have to have to push them, Yeah, have to
push him up. And I think no. The part that
I think that's interesting with Atlanta is, yes, they have
built some rival relies, but they've built how many new
stadiums in the last twenty years and.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Then most recently is just in the northern part of.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Atlanta, right, Yeah, you and I were looking at that
the other day. But I think Atlanta can can. Atlanta
is one of those teams to me that feels like
it can just it can assimilate to wherever it ends up,
and it will and we all know it's going to
be a leader. It's going to be in the top
two or three and the any whatever division they end up.
But whether they switch to playing even switch to playing
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the American League, I mean they would be they would find.
That's how good that organization is is that they have no, like, yeah,
they have no you know, they're not you know, blue
bloods of the National League or they're not you know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
At the same time, though, hearing the sound of American
League champ Atlanta Braves just sounds wrong.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It sounds weird, but it's I mean, if that's what
the way it falls out, I think that's certainly an
option and I think would be great.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Do you think they're going to keep the NL or like,
because those are just like NFL style confuses at this point.
Or do you think they're going to go east west like?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
No, I think that that part of tradition will stay,
and I think the divisions ovious. Obviously the divisions.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Will change and centrals are gonna be gone. It's gonna
become North and South.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah or whatever. You know, they could do legends and
leaders like the Big Ten tried once and everybody still
shakes their head over it.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
But and then do you do with the let's say,
and then where you put the franchises, because most popular
ones I've been seeing is Nashville or Charlotte, and then
you have Portland and Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's so tough. I'm one hundred percent on board with Nashville.
In fact, I was in the Nashville area a couple
of weeks ago, and I was actually in one of
in Murphy's Borro just south of Nashville, and a couple
of people I were talking to said that Murphy's Brow
is the fastest growing city in the US right now.
So that means people are going there. And I don't
think it's any secret that literally, and I think it's
finally being talked about, which is funny, but literally Nashville
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taking business away from Vegas. Yes, so people are going
to Nashville because it's affordable right for now, for now,
but they're going to Nashville to to to have fun,
to find some you know, whether it be the music scene,
or the the entertainment scene, or the sport the sports scene.
I mean, Nashville is very very well endowed with sporting,
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sporting teams and sports and good good ones at that.
So I'm all on board on Nashville. You know, you
you if you follow the Carolina Panther football team organization,
it just kind of leaves a sour taste in.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Your minds, like do you really want to do that
to baseball? Well?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Right, but I mean I I I understand that they
want to put it in that location. I just don't
think that that fits. I really think.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, now, I know the national mayor doesn't want any
publicly funded the stadiums aymore, okay, fine, do what the NFL,
Like that guy in the NFL did with the Rams,
and they all right, here's so far public funded.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeap, just outside of the city, there's enough.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
There's gonna be enough people in Nashville where there's.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Good there's some good money in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
There's gonna be people who are being like, all right,
let's do a privately funded he.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
And it would it would be like so far, it
would be an entertainment mecca. I mean it wouldn't just
be a stadium, it would literally be a a a
place for concerts and outdoor festivals and and oh yeah
baseball too, you know. I mean, shoot, the place will
probably have a roof on it, so they could.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Do that's all your life tractable roof depends.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, well right right, I mean they would. They wouldn't
spare any expenses because they know that Nashville is right
on that climate you know edge where yeah it could snow,
it probably won't snow, but it's gonna mount immediately, but
still having a roof is a big deal. So yeah,
I'm all in on Nashville.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
And then for the western half where Portland or salt
Lake because like growing quite a bit, because especially like
they just got the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Right, I don't know that salt Lake is ready for
it yet. I think Portland could support it.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
I think I look at what the craft that's going
on Portland where they have like all the crime and
WoT there.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, but that really doesn't hurt Seattle though. I mean
Seattle is kind of in that same odd you know, Okay,
our downtown isn't great, but we got some really awesome,
uh sports teams and great scenery and and some good beers,
and you know, so they're Seattle seems to support it.
Portland to me feels like the best opportunity, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And then with the and the Nesbit map has the
most friendly map. And I believe Rob Manford asking Nesbit
to create a map and put in the athletic okay,
that has the it has everything Hell currently is, creates
the South divisions, has Colorado and Tampa swap.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Leagues, okay.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And with that, it's like Colorado would becoming part of
the ALE South with the Royals, Houston and Texas, okay,
and then in Tampa would be in vision with Likely
Lake in Nashville, or with and Atlanta and the Marlins.
The NL West would comprise of the current The rest
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of the NLS teams are still there als the same thing,
except the AL West gets the expansion team of like
again Portland or Salt Lake. Now you have I'd like
to say it was Trevor Plof put out a map
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hereated East West and then put Arizona in the same
division as Houston in Texas and put Colorado on the
division of Salt Lake. So at that point do you
keep Colorado Arizona in the NL or ale and then
or it's moving to al and then would you put
Colorado or Arizona the same division as Salt Lake and Seattle?
Speaker 2 (45:56):
You know, I don't. It kind of goes back to
my comment on Atlanta. They could go anywhere. Really, Colorado
and Arizona haven't been around long enough to really create
any sort of true rivalry or meaningful.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Colorado is just just like Colorado, like the like Denver
is the best like of coursefield is literally the best
barn cover.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
It is if you if you've ever been there, it
is absolutely wonderful. I mean it's you know what. I
went there though, probably ten years ago, and the I mean,
besides the fact that it's a beautiful stadium, yeah, the
beer is great. And the one thing I remember is
that they had chocolate covered bacon is one of their stands.
I mean, it was an all out concession stand. Anyways,
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that's beside the point. It is it's so fun, it's
it's such a great place in that area. Denver is
it's actually pretty good too, and that is in the
middle of nowhere, right, So that's why I say there's
there's no love lost from Colorado. Or Arizona. I mean, shoot,
what is what has the the the chaos in Phoenix
and Arizona really done the sports in general. I mean,
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the whole Phoenix Coyote thing was had to ben just
a a black eye on Phoenix sports. I mean, you
don't really hear much about the Cardinals anymore. You don't
hear much about the Suns. I mean to a certain extent.
I mean during seasons, right, and and even then it's
not nearly a topic of conversation, Lego. I mean, they
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don't get me wrong. Ten years ago they had literally
plans to take over Phoenix and Tempe and make it
a sports like gigantic arena, if you will. They were
making plans to put more sporting arenas in there for
whatever other reasons. And now they can't even they couldn't
even keep the hockey team and the whole hockey thing.
I think you and I have talked about this. There's
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so many people from Wisconsin that are hockey fans that
have moved to Arizona. Hence the reason Arizona State has
an awesome hockey team. So I don't want to talk
too much about it. But again going back to the
fact that Arizona and Colorado have no allegiance to anyone
that they could fit wherever. And I think a lot
(48:03):
of teams just enjoy going to Colorado. So really, if
you switch it up with the AL, it'll be another
look at it and shoot, probably fifteen twenty years Colorado,
may you go back to DNA.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I was after looking at Trevor Plue map, which at
the same time does break up historic robalries to ex sence,
I thought the map was kind of sucking in that regae.
I could see argument putting Arizona or Colorado in the
AL while putting like Tampa and the EnL. But like,
oh yeah, look the Colorado and the AL West with
(48:34):
A with Seattle and the expansion team. That that those
teams are much more closer together where it's also more
originally based, which is what Manford would probably want.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Right, and you're gonna get You're gonna get a fan
base that is more regionally based.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, and you'll have like more rivalries created that way.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
So where do the A's end up then?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Would be in the same division as Seattle, the expansion
team Colorado and.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Okay, yeah that'd be fun. Why not? I mean, that's
the that that to me feels like the league that
would be just for the the fan that hasn't necessarily
locked down anybody but just likes good entertaining baseball. You're
gonna have a brand new, brand new stadium in Las Vegas.
If they do end up in Utah, they're going to
(49:21):
be a brand new stadium there. Right Seattle is a
beautiful stadium. I mean it's newer, it's not brand new,
so why not. I mean you're going to see a
lot of fans go to those ballparks and realize what
new baseball.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
ATA would have to actually share their market, right well,
that which is gonna be huge.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
Which is there's a lot of Florida people that drive
to Atlanta because Atlanta is just that good. It is
absolutely it is in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Leaving Milwaukee from decades ago, that was a huge controversy,
and of itself.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
It was, but it's it. It seems as though it
didn't affect the goal of the Atlanta organization, which they
just continue to be successful exactly.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
I'd say it's about time around the plane. Thank you
for filling in, Thank you Trombone. Quire have to get
to and supper and all that stuff. And it's thirty
minute drive from the studio to so uh. You can
listen to us at obviously like on the three major
platforms of iHeart and then you know the other to
(50:30):
being like Spotify and Apple. You can listen to us
on YouTube, although that's where on YouTube is where you
find the exclusive stuff for the Trombone Choir videos, where
you can listen to select pieces. And then you can
contact us at let's check betat gmail dot com, goal
on Twitter x wherever you want to call it, follow
the announcement page on Facebook as I call it fakebook,
(50:53):
joined the Facebook community group. There's a discord we basically
don't use, and you can just communicate interact.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
With us there, yeah, or tune in next time.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, I mean absolutely tune in next time. Just like
it's a usually a weekly upload anyways, and after the
baseball season is done, we're looking at moving to bi weekly,
but it's either way. You can find us listen to
us while you're driving whenever you want nature podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Absolutely, and it's if you want to just hear something different,
plug us in, yeah, turn us down.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Because like baseball regular season, it's a weekly baseball podcast
and then we do current events, sports and video game
news during the off season, playoffs and the spring training
and now like before we go, I just the one
last thing popped in my brain when the lockouts happened.
The only thing we might be able to watch is
(51:46):
minor league baseball.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I am a I'm a huge. That's fine by me.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, it's just something to think about and watching the game.
Is MLB out perfect?
Speaker 2 (51:58):
All right?
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Thanks Brandon, of course, thank you for joining us. Bratt,
You're welcome and here from Yelo Yels. Next time, however
you want to word it,
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