Chtistmas Flat Earth Part 1

Mark Sargent is interviewed by Dr. John Stamey about the Flat  Earth.  Part 1 of a continuing series!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good evening and live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, the
home of Scary Cast. How is everybody doing Tonight? We've
got part one of our two part series on Flat
Earth Christmas with Mark Sergeant. We are recording this. You
may be hearing it later, but this is being recorded

(00:22):
on the twenty second of December, and we're lucky to
have Mark Sergeant, the one of the true gurus of
the flat Earth with us. Good evening, Mark, how are you.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good evening, and thank you very much for having me
And I'm doing well. Can't complain for a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's always good to have you here because you're really
an interesting guest and I like your perspectives and everything.
So I will tell everybody that I think last night
we talked a little bit and I jotted down some
questions and I kind of put them together other for

(01:02):
us to talk about it for those that are interested
in the flat Earth. Now I am, and I will say,
let me get my sheet of paper. A shameless plug
for the Flat Earth twenty twenty five conference, which will
be September twenty sixth and twenty seventh. It'll be somewhere

(01:22):
in Georgia as far as we know, we're working on
that right now. But yep, mark your calendar September twenty
sixth and twenty seventh for the flat Earth conference. That's
gonna be a wonderful experience, don't you think, Mark?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I do, And I'm excited to get involved with this.
You know, we've been doing them pretty much non stop
since twenty seventeen, and our lead person down on the
East Coast she decided she was going to take a
step back. Finally. I don't blame her, and I saw.
I'm eternally grateful that you were gonna get involved and
it's gonna be fun. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Listen. I love putting on conferences. I've put on Bigfoot conferences,
I put on UFO conferences. I've put on a number
of things, and it's always fun. You meet the most
interesting people, and they're normally smart. They're all coming there
for a reason. They want to learn. So that's my

(02:19):
kind of group of people. People that want to learn
and people that are smart. I like I could, I'd
be around them every day, don't you agree, Mark?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I absolutely agree. Nothing nothing satisfies me more than an
intelligent conversation with like minded people.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's that's great. Well, look, thanks a lot. And I
have asked you, since I'm probably spearheading this thing, I
have asked you to be our keynote speaker. And I
never did actually physically ask you, but would you be
our keynote speaker? I would love for you to be.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Nothing would thrill me more. I'm it'd be my pleasure
to be a keynote speaker at the Flat Earth conference
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Okay, that's great, everybody you heard it here. I asked
him and he accepted, So it's gonna be it's it's
gonna be wonderful. I've even got a really great artist
working on the poster.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Oh nag Oh he is.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
He has been a friend of mine for about eight years.
He was a regular at my comic cons and at
all the comic cons around here, and then uh he
moved to New Mexico and he's still drawing. I'll tell
more about him. I'll probably even have him on Scary
Cast as we unveil the the new Wonderful Flat Earth

(03:41):
twenty twenty five conference poster. So anyway, we talked about
some topics and I'm gonna review those topics and let
you and I discuss them for everyone to enjoy as
we head into Christmas. And it's and it is this flatter.
Christmas is the season of the flat earth. This, don't
you think I do? I think Christmas and flatters go

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well together. Okay, Now, question area number one, the firmament.
The firmament is discussed in the Bible through nineteen fifty eight.
It was detailed in the Antarctica article of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

(04:25):
Right when the nineteen sixty one Britannica came out, it
was nowhere to be found because the International geophiscal year
was July one, nineteen fifty eight through December thirty one,
nineteen fifty nine, and they took that firmament stuff out. Now,

(04:48):
first of all, talk to us a little bit about
the firmament and how does that work.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Sure well, if the world is, for lack of a
better term, a snow globe which kind of goes along
with Christmas there where we're living in we'll just say
a giant dinner plate. Right, it doesn't We're not talking
about dinner plate in space. We're just talking about dinner plate.
We don't know where it is. And the cotton the

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north pole would be in the center of the dinner plate,
and all the continents would be splayed out around the outside,
and then there'd be a dome covering us. Right. That
would be the ferment mentioned in the Bible specifically, I
believe that it would be Genesis one, verse six through eight,
I think, which is that God created a firmament to
separate the waters above and the waters below, which is

(05:37):
awfully interesting, and it's impenetrable, and it surrounds and we
can't reach it. You know, does it some I know
you've got some follow up questions that, so I won't
I won't spoil it. But does it reach it around
the edge of Antarctica? I believe so yes. Do any
of the civilian population get to get anywhere near to

(05:58):
take a picture of it? Very interesting by the way
that the Encyclopedia Britannica would even mention it in nineteen
fifty eight, although what was founded in nineteen fifty eight
NASA and then the Antwar tur Treaty was put in
place in nineteen fifty nine, and also the the Van
Allen radiation belts were announced in nineteen fifty nine, which

(06:20):
I don't think is a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Uh huh, NASA headed by that war criminal himself, Werner
von Braun.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Right right, which, by the way, you can look it up.
It's not secret information. You know. I would have thought
his his headstone, his gravesite, would have been much more elaborate,
but it's not. And you can look it up there
and you know, shows the year was born, in the
year he died. And then it also has a Bible
verse on it, which is interesting, you know for a
NASA high high tech guy, and it says Psalm nineteen

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one and I had to look it up, but I
didn't know it's all nineteen one was and it said
and the firmament shows his handiwork, Like, Okay, why is
Werner von Braun reaching from beyond the grave to tell people?
Oh yeah, by the way, the space program may not
be what you think it is, and there may be
a barrier there and we can't go past it.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well well, well, well, in our next installment, we're gonna
have a very professional remote viewer to tell us about
the firmament and what she sees. And I think that's
going to be very interesting me too. So we're gonna
have a heck of a show, and it's either December

(07:32):
twenty sixth or the twenty seventh, depending on when I
can round everybody up, and I will of course post that,
but I think it's going to be a lot of
fun because there's a lot here. There's a lot of
confusion all over, right, And you mentioned the Van Allen
radiation belt, right, and I just can't help but say

(07:54):
a man can't go through the man Allen radiation belt, Yeah,
unless the man is encased in lead, right right. And
from what I've seen, had they had an inch of
lead in that rocket that they set up, well, couldn't
have gotten off the ground because lead's pretty heavy character

(08:14):
there aerodynamically.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
We don't use lead in a lot of things. We
use them in bullets, we use them in heavy machinery,
you know, as weights, you know, and of course some
fishing lures and stuff like that. It's interesting because yes,
there's only three things that can stop radiation. Lead, of course,
you know, which we use in those lead blankets you

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wear in a dentist's office. Gold, which is twice as
dense as lead. Most people don't know that, but that's
because who has that much gold? And water? A whole
bunch of water, which is they use in power plants.
And yet all those things, because of their weight, you
can't put on anything. Forget about a rocket, you don't
put them on airplanes. I mean airplanes are basically just aluminum,

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a little bit of steel and platic and yet none,
you know, there's no shielding whatsoever. And they went through
the Van Allen belts, and by that I mean the Americans,
because no one else had manned missions ever since then.
And they went round trips multiple times from nineteen sixty

(09:18):
nine all the way up until nineteen okod lord, what
was it, nineteen seventy two. Okay, no shielding at all.
Nobody died, nobody got radiation poisoning, nobody even got cancer.
There's still I believe, four of them walking around today,
you know, even after all this time, Apollo astronauts. So

(09:40):
how'd they do it? Right? You know? Van Allen, by
the way, the Van Allen radiation belts, he was a
NASA scientist that said in the nineteen fifty nine he says,
oh yeah, he should never go up there, super super deadly,
never ever should happen. And yet Kennedy one year later,
doing one of his famous speeches, you know, we choose
to go to the moon in this decade and do
the other thing. Well, it's like okay, So all the

(10:03):
media went back to Van Allen. It's like, how are
you going to do it? And he goes, well, we're
just going to go real fast, and it's like what
were we talking about it? And you know, some of
those belts are are pushing fifty thousand miles thick and
your best speed is seventeen thousand miles an hour. That's
that's three hours each way and you have to slow
down on the way home. How you doing it? No

(10:24):
one talks about it. No one talks about it. How
they got through it. It's like, what shielding you used?
Just crickets from from NASA or anybody in the space program.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well they used aluminum foil or something just like it.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, as you know, so the next time you go
to the dentist's office, you know, if you don't want
to be weighted down by that lead blanket. As for
the aluminum one, see what sort of look they give you.
And remember that's only a second of X ray. That's
not cosmic rays. If you believe in space, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I pretty much believe
that the Van A. Van Allen radiation belt is there.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Oh, sure it might be there, but we're not going
through it.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, okay, now here is my question for you. This
is my first deeply probing question. But where is the
Van Allen radiation belt? Is it underneath the firmament or
is it above the firmament in the waters? Where is
the Van Allen radiation belt?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I don't know. I mean there's a couple of schools
of thought there. You could say, you know, if you
say that NASA was super, super clever, they could have
just made up the radiation belt. But I don't know.
Maybe they did detect high amounts of radiation at at
a very very high altitude. Is it inside the barrier

(11:48):
outside the barrier? I'm not sure? Or is it part
of the barrier? You know? That could be one of
your follow up questions, which is what is the firmament
made out of?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, that actually is my next question of what is
the firmament made of? What material? Any clue?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, it's I don't want to necessarily give the cop
out answer and say it's dealer's choice. I mean, it
could be any one of a number of things. It
could be you know, a heavy element, a heavy water,
electromagnetic field, United unified field, it could be you know,
any of those things. However, what I do know is

(12:27):
we can't get through it. Because from nineteen fifty eight,
all the way up until the beginning of nineteen sixty two,
I believe the United States and then the Soviet Union,
who's not around anymore, we're doing all their atomic testing
straight up which way. And I knew exactly what they
were doing. When I read it. It's like, Okay, it's
a typical guy thing to do. It's like, oh, you
see a barrier there. We didn't make the barrier. Can

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you get through it? Get the cannon right, and if
that doesn't work, get the missiles and just start hitting
it with everything you got. And they were using the
first couple shots of the altitude testing. You can like
look this up all day long. It's called in Wikipedia
it's high altitude nuclear testing. And they the first shots
were were low megaton. And we're talking back in the

(13:13):
late fifties when megaton was a big deal. Nowadays, you know,
everybody's got mega tons, but back then it was a
it was a really big deal. And if you can't
bust through something with a megaton weapon, You're not going
through it. And so whatever it is, it's that leads
into you know, why is it there at all? And

(13:34):
so I try to give people your options, depending whether
you're an optimist or not. It's like, Okay, are we
are these the barrier? There is the firma there to
keep us in because we're a box of kittens that
should be protected right from from what's outside of here?
Or is it there to keep us from getting out

(13:55):
because we're a box of scorpions that never should be
let out into whatever is beyond this world. I was like, well,
if you follow science fiction movies and books and everything,
most notably The Day of the Earth stood Still, the
original one we know.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
By the way stopped. We loved the original with Michael
Rennie The Day the Earth Stood Still? And you know what,
one of the greatest actresses of all time never gets
remembered for being the co star, and that's Patrician Neil.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh. Wow. Yeah, that was a great, fantastic way ahead
of its time. And and the concept was was was wonderful,
which is the whoever built this place saw that we
were thinking about creating space travel. Remember this was before NASA,
and they came in and said, yeah, you're not going anywhere.
You guys are awful. I mean there's some some of

(14:45):
the movies and Televisihow's got it right, which is okay,
do you really want to let what we do here
spread to other places? Regardless whether you think that there's
a you know, a solar system or not. I have
to agree with them. So when they did the Keanu
Reeves remake is yeah, that was Remember that the ending
of that movie was way darker than the first. They

(15:06):
basically set us back to the Stone Age novel.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, I mean, yeah, it was wonderful. And by the way,
just to finish up on Patricia Neil, we are in
the anniversary of one of the greatest horror films of
all time, and that is Ghost Story, the Peter Stroud
novel that was made with John Houseman, Fred Astaire, all

(15:32):
those great old stars, and it starred Patrician Neil in
her last I think that was her last movie role.
She was just she was just granding it. I just
happened to see that fly fly along on Facebook. I
get more news from Facebook than I do from the
news channels. I'm gonna tell you that to find out
what's going on. But anyway, yeah, the Day the Earth
Stood Still, that is a great movie to remind us

(15:55):
of about Clatt two, that weird looking robot and Michael
and Michael Rennie just standing there in Patrician Neil's house
just calm me saying, you know, I'm from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yes, so wonder wonderful movie and a wonderful think piece
on what we should be doing. Even back then we
were criticizing our own civilization. And this is an American film,
and by I enjoyed it. It was it was wonderful.
So again, when the When the Cano Reeves version came
out years and years later, it's like, what are you

(16:29):
guys gonna do with this one? And they made the row,
you know, the robot way way bigger, and you know,
at the end the you know, they did save some
of some of the life forms. They didn't do much
with us though, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, I mean, yeah, it was. But they were great films,
they really were. And and now I've got a question
that just popped up into my head, just like a
UFO would pop up in the sky.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yes, are you ready for this mark. Oh, I'm gonna
try where.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Do the UFOs come from? If we are in cased
in a fir moment, right, where do the UFOs come from?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I believe because you know, I've been asked that for
ten years. You know, it's like, okay, where you know?
Does that change your opinion on UFOs? It only changes
my opinion on where they're from, not that they exist.
Just for the record, I years ago, when I was
in Colorado, had the wonderful chance of getting a tip
from somebody to get some night vision binoculars and start

(17:32):
looking at the skies and just blew my mind away.
This is way before I got into flat Earth, the
years before I got into flat Earth, and the sky
is crawling with things constantly. And it's because the the
people don't understand that.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
The ships that are up there, that they're just like cars,
meaning they don't have to have their headlight on to
work like our cars, right, and you can have the
drive around without your headlights.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
They work fine all day. And since they run on
silent engines, they could be flying right over you. You're
never going to know it. The only reason we even
look up is because you hear a plane or a
jet or what or a helicopter or whatever it is.
So to your question, are they with us or are
they outside this place? I kind of tend to think

(18:25):
that they're with us, that they're that they're with the
that they're trapped in here with us, that they can't
get out either, and they're just remnants. They're just older
versions of us, do they you know? The I think
I mentioned to you last time we talked. You know,
one of the greatest UFO sightings of all time was
fifteen sixty one Nuremberg, which you can look it up

(18:46):
on Wiki all day long. It was, you know, two
giant space aircraft carriers flying over Nurberg, Germany, doing battle
in a time when science fiction wasn't even a concept,
so they thought it was a religious event. But they
sketched the whole thing down and put it in their
newspapers and it's gorgeous in full color. It's absolutely wonderful.
So do I I think the UFOs are in here

(19:08):
with us. They're not from Mars and Jupiter and Venus
and all all these other places. They're just older civilizations
where the remnants are not allowed to live on the surface.
They are probably subterranean. I mean that could be interdimensional.
I guess, well, you.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
You bring up a point. And I've always thought, since
I started contemplating the flat Earth, that the UFOs and
all that are below us, right, and they and they
and they come at Now I will say this when
we hit the Flat Earth twenty twenty five conference, I'm
going to have my buddy Less Durant there and he

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is going to show everybody how to take pictures of
UFOs cool. I mean, and and this is this is
an important question that we that we wanna, that we
want to discuss at the conference. I guess my approach
is because I have run a lot of academic conferences.
I pose at you know, well, before a conference, I

(20:10):
pose a list of questions that we want to identify.
Of course, speakers like yourself and everybody else are going
to get to talk about what they want to but
I do want us to focus on some of these
questions because I think they're really important. You okay with that?

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah? Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean I want you to talk about what you
want to talk about because it will be interesting and informative.
But I also want everybody to pick a question or
two and try to talk about that. And I think
the UFO question, it seems as though there's a lot
of research now that's saying there are holes down there

(20:54):
in the ice and the UFOs are coming out from
them and whatever. Whatever. I don't know, but you know,
I'm going to do some research as well, and so
it's it's gonna be fun. I mean, it's really gonna
be fun. It's going to be interesting, and uh yeah,
that's what. That's one of my approaches to producing a conference,

(21:16):
because I think a conference is there to answer questions
if it's a purely academic conference, like I have run
about eight of them before, or the ACM, the Association
of Computing Machinists, which is one of the two top
research organizations in the computing world. I was the program

(21:36):
director for two of their conferences, and I mean that's
what I did, and everybody liked the idea that we
all taught. We did our talks, but then we also
tried to look at these issues to maybe grow our field.
And I think that's a very that is a scientific approach,
and I hope everybody's gonna like my scientific approach to

(21:56):
this flat earth thing. I think a little science is
good careful. Now, the scientists can go a little bit
crazy on you. Uh, like they don't want to look
at the moon landing footage right and see that there
are spots where there should be shadows and there are not.

(22:19):
Nobody seems to want to. They want to ignore obvious
defects in that footage.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Mark Absolutely they do. Yeah, they the and why why
it is? It is a tough pill to swallow because
the pinnacle of science, you know that the front man
of science is NASA, always has been since since they
were created in nineteen fifty eight, I'm sorry, nineteen fifty nine. Well, no,
nineteen fifty eight, the no fifty nine whatever. So the

(22:52):
NASA was the when when the when Apollo happened. It
seemed like a good idea that at the time, which was,
you know, America was unstoppable in the early nineteen sixties.
The rest of the world was still trying to pick up,
you know, pieces of rubble left over from World War
Two and rebuild their infrastructure, and we were barely touched
with the exception of Pearl Harbor, and so doing a

(23:15):
space program, real or not, was a smart move in
the short term. It's like I can imagine the meeting,
it's like, let's do something. You know, the American Empire,
the greatest empire in the history of the world was
the Roman Empire. How else it was, However, the greatest
show on earth, that's us, and we haven't been doing

(23:36):
it for that long in relative terms, And so to
go to the powers that be, it's like, why don't
we go to the moon? Are we really going to
the moon? Doesn't matter. Let's say we're going to go
to the moon. We've got the tech to fake it.
Let's do it. They didn't think about long term, which
was how well would the footage age, especially when the
digital era came out and the Internet was born and

(23:58):
things like that. It's like, okay, you know now that
everybody's got photoshop and filters galore, and they can open
up every image you can think of and they can
find the flaws that you were completely invisible before looking
at it is Apollo has aged badly. Not only has
the images the still shots of age badly. The video

(24:19):
is aged badly, but the technology itself has aged badly,
mostly because they were too scared to do it again,
and they barely got away with it in nineteen seventy two.
That was the last mission, and then after that, and
I've tongue in cheeks said, you know, if somebody came
to me with a dump truck full of money, it's like, Mark,
we'll give you ten billion dollars, you know, just for

(24:41):
you if you can help us fake the next you know,
space mission, the next Moon mission. And I'd be like,
get that truck of money out of here. I don't
even want to see it because I don't think I
could do it, because it comes down to the weakest link.
So whenever I see stuff like Artemis and the whole
Elon Musk thing, it's goh, yeah, you know, they just
keep We've been kicking the can down the road for
decades now, and nobody cares because they just believe that.

(25:05):
It's like, oh, oh, we just postponed it. Oh we
just It's really because I've been hearing that whole postponement
argument since the Carter administration. That's how far back it goes. Everybody, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Obama,
you know, all those guys. They all say this thing,
We're committed to going back to the Moon, and all
of a sudden, oh, we're gonna kick the can down
all the administration.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh well we're well, we're gonna wait a minute. We
got a few things to work out, but we'll get there.
That's that's exactly what they're saying. Don't you agree, Yes, yeah, yeah,
that's all.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, there's some kinks, there's a few things here and there.
And I knew they were in trouble when the you know,
because the Artemis, which which is the New Moon mission,
when Artemis was announced and they just a couple of
years ago sent a unmanned capsule supposedly around the Moon,
and the footage was horrible. It was grainy. I mean,

(25:58):
there were supposedly only fifty from the Moon's surface, and
yet we are taking better pictures of the Moon from
here a quarter million miles away. If you believe that story,
then they were at point blank range. And you could say,
well it is the transmission. It's like, well, okay, so
what happened when you got back, right when you when
the probe came back, did you get the raw footage?

(26:19):
No one would talk about it, so and then as.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Oh no, and and really what speaking of footage, why
is it that all of that original footage has been
destroyed or recorded over Why is that.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Oh, because you don't want people doing a deep dive
into the original Apollo footage. I know what you're talking about,
which is all again, the average person doesn't know the
original Apollo archives are all gone. They're all gone, so
nobody can investigate. No one can check them out like
library book or copies of the member. It's all digital nowadays.
It's not like you're going to get the originals. The

(26:56):
original should have been converted to digital, and that's what
they were afraid of. They did not want anything to
converted digital because then it goes beyond their control. So
that way they say, oh no, the originals were destroyed
before they got a chance to be converted to digital archives.
That way, no one can just you know, take a
flash drive and or whatever it is and download whatever

(27:16):
they need and take it back home. That's the problem
in that the Internet misses nothing as a hive mind.
All it takes and you've seen this with some of
the original Paulo footage, but the photographs that got out there.
All it takes is a nerd at three am and
is underwear in the middle of Nebraska to find something
that Nobo nobody caught, and it's like, wait, a minute.

(27:36):
That doesn't look great. That shadow shouldn't be there, that
rock shouldn't be there.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Where there's the ship, or there should be a shadow,
and why isn't there right right?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
And no end? And that's that's why you get rid
of as many original archives as well. And then you
tell every other country because there's supposely what five or
six I can't remember what it is now, it might
be six countries with launch capability. No one's even tried
to go back to the Moon. It's not that the
Americans went and then stop going in nineteen seventy two,

(28:07):
which is a long way in the rear view mirror
right now. It's that China and the Soviet Union and
the Europeans and the Japanese and the Indians, none of
them even.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Made an attempt.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
No one even talked about going to the moon. That's
the part that blows me away. Was like, oh, yeah,
this crew is going to be going to the moon,
you know, in two years, Like really, when when is
that story coming out? It's never ever happened. In fact,
you know, I pick on Elon Musk as much as
I can because he's a complete fraud, which is you
guys want to look up something fun. Look up the
Deer Moon project from twenty seventeen. That's one of my favorites,

(28:43):
which was because I was living in Canada at the time.
Elon wasn't even on my radar. And then all of
a sudden he comes out and says, Oh, I'm going
to take a space bus otherwise known as a space shuttle.
We don't have a space shuttle program anymore, by the way,
I'm going to take a space shuttle and take a
bunch of artists. We're gonna spin around the moon. We're
not gonna land, and we're gonna have people like they
were gonna paint and we're gonna have influencers and stuff

(29:06):
like that. There's like ten people and it went nowhere,
and the contract finally ran out this year and they
quietly just said, okay, well we're not gonna do that,
dear Moon products. Like really seven years and you quietly
just swept that thing under the rug. No one's going back,
No one's going back. They just kicked the can down
the road. What last month they said, Yeah, I know

(29:27):
Artemus two is thinking about doing a man thing in
twenty twenty five. Now it's gonna be twenty twenty seven.
They just keep kicking it and everybody, all the Space
guys kind of like the Star Wars fans. No offense
to the Star Wars fans necessarily, but you keep wanting
them to make good content. All the NASA fan boys.
It's like I've asked him, It's like, when are you
guys going back to the mood? And they just look

(29:48):
at me starry It's like, soon, we're going back. Soon's like, no,
you're not, but you have the.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
We're going soon. You just watch this, you just watch us.
That's what you need to do, and don't do anything.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
They don't do anything, and and it's and it has
not looked well for NASA. We're paying NASA what over
seventy million dollars a day to do what exactly? You're
not doing anything? And yet you know again Elon, it's like,
oh no, we're gonna do the Orion project work. We
forget about the Moon. We're gonna go to Mars. It's like,
what are you talking about? You have even you can't

(30:21):
even solve them.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Ok Now, I have got to stop you there because
you said we are going to Mars. Because I have
now seen footage in the crevices of the Internet about
our three trips to Mars.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Oh you mean the probes, no.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Live astronauts now, No, I'm just saying I have seen
footage in some cracks and crevices of the Internet. Yeah,
And I don't know what to think. I mean, I mean,
you got to get through the Van Allen radiation belt,
and I mean that might be what the firmament is.
Is the Allen radiation belt it? You know, maybe I

(31:03):
don't know, we don't, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
But at that point, at that point, you still that
the reason why Mars is impossible is again, even if
you believed you could go to Mars, which I don't,
I personally don't because why the Solar System is just
lights on a ceiling, You're just looking at a planetarium,
just images. But I treat it the same way. Why
they were never going to solve the robot problem. If

(31:27):
I have to see every fricking year somebody it's like, oh,
we're gonna have humanoid robots servants here any time, and
it's like, no, you're not. That will do the robot
thing first, and you'll you'll see why it applies to Mars. Right,
You're you're old enough to remember the Terminator franchise, right, Terminatory.
No one even addressed what powered those things until the

(31:47):
third movie, and then they said, oh yeah, by the way,
there's two atomic redundant reactors in the chest of these robots,
and if one of them fails, it debton with a
kill a ton level blast. That is the worst idea ever.
That means all I have to do is kill one

(32:08):
robot and it wipes everything out in a square mile
area around it, including other robots, and then it turns
into a chain reaction. It's the terrible, terrible idea. And
they prove that at the end where you know, he
sacrifices himself and blows up the entrance door to the
to the military bunker. You're never gonna solve the robot
problem because you're never going to solve the power problem.

(32:30):
Our batteries are limited. There's only so much we can
do with battery technology, and the plus not mentioned the
balance issues. It just does not work. Come on. The
best you can do is the vacuum robot, and you
know one of those rumas that got over here in
the corner, and even those have problems with chair legs
and cords right, and these things have been around for
quite a while now. Mars, same sort of thing. If

(32:52):
you could even do it, because you can't solve the
fuel problem, even if you had the fuel to go there.
It's like, oh, we've set probes there, we can send it.
It's like, okay, fine, let's say you can. It's a
one way trip. No one's gonna do it because it's
just bad pr Even if you could send some people,
you're basically sending them You're gonna turn Mars into a headstone.

(33:14):
That's all you can do. They're gonna land there, they're
gonna transmit back. It's like, well, gonna die soon. Bye.
Why you're sending them. There is no return trip, even
if you believed you could go to Mars. And so
the fantasies that we've been thrown out there to the
general public, all the things you want to promise them.

(33:34):
Auto driving cars, same sort of thing. Even your best
you know who said it, the best Mercedes, They said, oh, yeah,
we can do auto driving cars. Only if you're in
stop and go traffic and you're in the middle of
a whole bunch of other cars. You're going really with
slow speeds. Yeah, then fine, you can. You can turn
it on and you're fine. But as soon as that

(33:54):
baby gets up the cruising speed, turn it off. Turn off.
Because it relies on the infrastruction of the roads, the
conditions of the roads, and you're old enough to drive
around certain parts of this country. There's a lot of
crappy roads here. That's what it based on. It's camera
systems looking at the roads.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
So no, excuse me, Mark, sounds like you've been up
to the mountains of North Carolina where I grew up,
talking about those crappy roads.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I'll come on island, I'm telling you right now, everybody
knows this. Look the guys that paint you're relying your best.
You're betting your life on the guys that paint the
lines on the roads. That's what it comes down. That's
all the camera systems do. It's like, hey, do I
see a line? Oh? Good course correct? Oh hey, something
wrong with that line. It's screwed up and going into
the bushes.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't know what, Oh, Mark, come on, we know
there's so many roads up there in the mountains of
North Carolina that don't even have road that don't even
have lines.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Right right, the system does not know what to do
with it. It is a horrible, horrible time. The every
car driving company right now is having this off. In fact,
i'll give you a quick story, like five six years
ago they ran one of the early before think it
was before Tesla. They were doing a self driving thing
in Phoenix, downtown Phoenix. You have your best shot in

(35:06):
a city because there's lots of structures and you can,
you know, the cameras can look at a different things.
Hits a lady in a crosswalk, kills her, right. Who's
the big problem with that is who's responsible? Who pays
the insurance for something like member insurance companies don't want
to pay it. So is the insurance company of the
car is the insurance company of the auto driving system?

(35:26):
Is that the software that's backing the system is the
guy who's sitting in the passenger seat reading his book.
You don't know, And that is never going to get
sorted out. Right now, The old ways work the best,
which is you and I get into a little fender bender,
we exchange cards, we figure it out, it goes on
its way. Self driving cars is a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Oh well, you know that that's true. There are so
many dreams, dreams. The ultimate dream I think was in
the Jetsons. You remember the Go Perfect and it was
Rose the robot. You know she could do anything. Yes,
I don't think we can do that.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I never understood why Rosie was an older, overweight robot
with an East Coast accent.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
She was priceless.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
She was she was. She didn't make any sense to me.
It's like, why didn't you make a hot robot. It's like, well,
you know, it's nineteen sixties, it's a kid's show. It's like, oh, okay,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I didn't know it was. Legends was truly way ahead
of its time, not because of the futurism, but just
the fact that we got to see some situations that
are ridiculous and it made us all, you know, it
made me think. I mean, I wasn't I wasn't that
dumb as a little kid. I'll never forget when me

(36:47):
and my dad, I'm not gonna say how old I am,
but me and my dad were watching transmissions from the Moon.
Sure Neil Armstrong, yep, and they were doing real time
Neil Armstrong talks, NASA talks, Neil at Nasa, Neil Nasa

(37:09):
and so on, and I looked at my dad. My
dad was a smart man. He had a high school degree.
He became a staff sergeant and he was in charge
of communications on the Burma Road over there in Southeast
Asia during World War Two. I mean, he was a
smart guy to get that position. And I said, Daddy,

(37:31):
the moon is from what I understand, about a quarter
of a million miles away. That's what we were told,
you know, quarter million miles away. Maybe maybe it's a
little part of it. So I said, but Daddy, it
takes it takes time for signals to get a quarter
of a million miles from out there to down here.

(37:52):
Why is it going back and forth like there one
room apart right? And he thought about it for a minute.
With all of his knowledge of radios, he said, son,
I really don't know what's going on there. I never
thought about that. I said, I bet a lot of

(38:13):
people didn't think because they just it's like they saw
this and they said, oh, that's great, and they never stopped.
Because I was the bad kid. I was always asking
those kinds of questions and I still do. But Mark,
I've learned to keep my mouth shut and not ask
those questions. Well, but now with you, I'll ask them

(38:33):
about flat Earth because I like your answers.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
And the transmission thing when you were a kid, that's
that's a perfect question, because it's not everything's wrong with it.
It's not just the technology that was used. It is
the it's the distance, it's the you know, there should
not there should absolutely be a time delay because.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Well now I've had recently some people tell me that
it would have only taken three seconds, and I simply said,
please prove that, show me the documentation they get and
then they get leave.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They're going from the they're going from the raw speed
of light at one hundred and six eighty six thousand
miles a second, right both ways. But what they're what
they're not talking about, and I talked about this years ago,
which was the power needed on our on the on
the moon side to get that done. Remember the VHF
transmitter And you can look this up all day long,

(39:30):
and they photographed it to death. Just a standard VHF
transmitter that's running off what essentially is a car battery.
That thing has a range maybe of fifty miles maybe
maybe on a good day. And yet this thing, remember
this is analog days this thing is pumping out not
just not just audio transmissions, it's pumping out ten frames

(39:54):
of color video a second from this thing, and it's
bouncing off supposedly the module that's in geostationary orbit above them,
and that thing is pumping it back. So it's a
moving target hitting a moving target. And by the way,
how are they lining up pointing at the Earth perfectly
from that distance? I mean, if you've shot anything, it's

(40:16):
like it'd be like trying to line your scope on
something that was thirty miles away, right, and we're not talking,
and we're talking. Even with the best scopes, you wouldn't
be able to do it. It. You could not. And remember
because if you're off, even by the tiniest millimeter, you're
in a whole different country. And yet they're hitting Houston perfectly.

(40:37):
It was perfect to away communications, it was perfect video transmission,
and there was no delay, and it made and they
did not have the amps to do it. They did
not have the power to do it. And it drives
me insane that the average person why same thing with
the space which we can talk about later. The reason
why they got away with it is because the average
American forget about the rest of the world. Orst's just

(40:58):
say Americans. The average Americans don't know physics, they don't
know general science. And granted, I know I've been accused
of bashing science on a regular basis. That's because science
takes it too far and they go into their own religion,
which I call it, which is called scientism, right.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
But oh not scientology, but scientism.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Scientism, which is basically science. Neil Tyson's comment where he goes,
science is right whether or not you believe in it,
which is when we put our stamp on it, that's
all it is. That's that's what I mean. Come on,
we saw that during the whole pandemic thing. Probably another
discussion for another day.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, you remember those eight doctors that got
on there at the very beginning and said this is ridiculous.
You know, you don't you don't need this, this this,
you know, take take you vitamins and stuff, and just
try to stay clear of people that are sick. Boy,
those guys all of a sudden they were gone.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, they were shot down. Yeah. So, but the average
the average American does not know anything about physics at all.
And so if that's the case, then you can get
away with almost murder, and so they would say, oh, yeah,
by the way, we're transmitting. It's like, no one wants
to talk about radio frequencies and the amount of power
this needed. The spacesuit doesn't make any sense in a vacuum.

(42:11):
It should just absolutely go ridge and tip over. It
explodes and they should die. No one wants to talk
about it. The little things like the feats of strength
that you never ever saw. Remember it was supposedly one
sixth earth gravity on you know, on the moon, so
one hundred and eighty pounds. Men would weigh thirty pounds,
which would mean he could dude all sorts of fun.

(42:31):
And these guys were fit, and yet you never saw
feats of strength. You should have been able to lift
that buggy with one arm, you never just should be
be able to leap, and you know amazing things you
know they should have done physically, never ever saw it.
Not to mention the the the cavalier attitude. You know,
the big part that bugged me, it's gonna sound petty,

(42:52):
but the big part that bugged me about the Apollo
astronauts is when they were there, they talked like airline
pilots talked to the past, right, you know, they know
very matter of fact, you know, and Grant the airline
pilots are told they're taught to talk to the people
in a very calm and soothing voice, right you know, Yeah,
you know, or cous in twenty five, I know, we

(43:14):
just hit some turbulence. You know, everything's really really low
key on the Moon. When you get there. If you're
an astronaut, there's only one thought that should be going
through your head. Oh my god, that's the Earth. I
hope I don't die.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'm not gonna get to that little dot in the
ocean and splash down and and pray. I mean, you know,
and I loved it. They would they would get them. Well,
this is only thirty feet from where they were supposed
to land, aren't they good?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I got one more for you.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Do you know any Do you have any friends at
scuba dive? Are you know any people that have scuba dive?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Perfect, scuba divers. All they care about. That's if you
guys know anything about scuba diving. When you're down there,
all you care about is the air in your tank.
You got a big gauge and you're staring at it constantly,
how many minutes of air I have left? And when
you get down to single digits, like you in nine
minutes eight minutes, you're heading back up right. That's all
you care about. Do you know? Who never cared about

(44:13):
their air gauge ever? The astronauts for whatever reason, when
they were walking around there. I never heard an audio
thing it's like, well, oh, he only got sixteen minutes
very left, and we're like two miles away from the capsule.
We should think about heading back. No one ever talked
about It's like they had unlimited air at all times.
And of course, if you're talking from a production value,

(44:35):
that's exactly what you do because you don't want to
time and date stamp when you say this thing. You know,
because I know why they did it is because you
don't want to be caught in an area where all
of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, fifteen minutes of
air left, and then if you're editing goes wrong, someone's
gonna pick up on that. It's like, wait, didn't you
say fifteen minutes over here? But over here now you
say you got twelve and more. There was like ten

(44:55):
minutes a time between those two things so they just
never brought it up. Ever, it drove me insane because again,
the average person doesn't know physics. Like the backpack on
their back, the magic backpack that they had on the memory,
they weren't a tether to anything. Not only could it
do heating and cooling and carbon dioxide filtering and stop

(45:17):
the vacuum of space from getting the suit to explode,
but apparently had the ability to produce unlimited air. And
if that technology was available in the sixties, it would
revolutionize scuba diving because no one would have to worry
about recharging their tanks on a regular basis. Never got
brought up, no one ever talked about it. All we
knew was at the end of nineteen seventy two. They said,

(45:38):
Oh yeah, Paul of seventeen, that's it. We're not going back.
Good night, everybody roll credits.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Nobody ever, nobody ever went back to the Moon, including
the Americans. By the way, sorry, one more thing, because
I know you're a sci fi fan. This is the
part the bugman why didn't age well? In the nineteen seventies,
there was a wonderful British sci fi show called Space
nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Oh yes, oh yes, I'm Martin Landau and Barbara Vain
perfect And that show was right spot on in that
the producers of that show said, oh, hey, twenty five
years from now, because remember it was made in the
mid nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
We will probably have a working moon base in nineteen
ninety nine, and that's our jumping off point. That's where
the show starts. Boy, that didn't age well because in
nineteen ninety nine, twenty five years after Apollo was over,
we hadn't done anything. And then you go another twenty

(46:35):
five years. Now, it's been twenty five years since that
show even fictionally started, we still haven't done anything. So
I ask any of the trolls or anyone's listening when
we going back? When when are the Americans doing anything?
I mean what you you don't think that China wouldn't
have a vested interest in going, or any other country
showing up when the Americans went the Sea of Tranquility

(46:57):
and knocking over our flag accidentally, No one wants to
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
All I got to say is I hope Elon gets there,
and I hope he sticks a century twenty one flag
in there and claims the Earth for his real estate company.
I think it'd be great.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Can I do? Can I do sixty seconds against Elon Musk?
Can I?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah? Sure?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
All right? Elon Musk. My big problem with him is
he gets credit for doing nothing. If you guys remember
the wonderful movie The Founder, which was the Ray Kroc
story about with Michael Keaton on how Ray Kroc basically
took over McDonald's, kicked the founders out, rewrote the charter

(47:41):
to make himself the founder. Elon has done that with
multiple companies. He would have done it with PayPal, except
they kicked him out because it's like, oh, no, you suck,
You're terrible. I've had people come up to me it's
like he started Tesla Motors and then they show me entries.
It's like, oh hey, look that No what he did.
He kicked the original Tesla founders out. And then during

(48:05):
the lawsuit because they sued him for for kicking him out,
the one of the conditions he settled. But one of
the conditions was, hey, I have the ability to rewrite
the company charter and if you don't know what that is,
that's the origin story of her country, of your of
your company. And so he went in and said, oh no,
he wrote it to where he was the one of

(48:25):
the original co founders of Tesla. He absolutely was not.
He didn't He didn't form PayPal, he didn't do Tesla.
He didn't save the the Puerto Rico power problems after
the hurricane. He didn't save those kids in the cave
with a mini submarine. He didn't found you wait, you wait.
There will be like two or three years from now
people will say that he invented Twitter, even though it's

(48:47):
like it's not even called Twitter anymore. Why because he
bought Twitter and then he renamed it X and SpaceX
is just an offshoot of NASA, that's all. It is
a black hole of money. It is a government endorsed program,
that's all. It is. The only reason they call him
the richest man in the world. Sorry, one more thing
is because do you I know he's the richest man
in the world. Because Tesla's stock is one of the

(49:09):
most valuable stocks in the world. Because it's part of
the Green initiative. People went green. All these idiots bought
you don't know, an electric car, do you no? Oh?
Thank god. All these idiots bought electric cars, which are
so limited and there's so many things they can't do,
not to mention, they catch fire when they're submerged in
even like six inches of water. Don't get me started

(49:30):
on that. And yet because of that, people just start investing. Well,
if we're gonna invest into green technology, Tesla's got to
be pretty much close to the top of the list.
And so people just throw gobs and gobs of money
at his stock. Yes, he has a huge amount of
money in Tesla's stock, but that's not his money came
from all the investors. It's he did not the self

(49:51):
made billy. You know. It's not like Jeff Bezos where
all of a sudden it's like, hey, free shipping. Everybody
give me money and it worked right, Or Bill Gates
with Microsoft. He became the richest man in the world
for nothing, for doing nothing, because because he was in
the right place at the right time. Oh drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Okay, all right, there's your tirade on Musk. I think
he's a real interesting character.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And sure he's interesting, but he's badly written, meaning it's
what you just said there. He's a character. He you know,
he's Yes, he's tied to the Trump thing, but come on,
he was a Desantist guy. He was a run He
was backing Ron Decantis until Desanta's dropped out. Then he pivoted.
And it's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna give Trump one hundred
and fifty million dollars. Can I hang out in the
White House for a while? Who wouldn't if you gave

(50:39):
me one hundred and fifty million dollars. It's like, you
can do it pretty much whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Okay, you'll give give him a bedroom and you place.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It's like, you want to snuggle on the couch? Yeah,
you bet. No, I wouldn't know because he's a near
I'm sorry and sorry combination. Want one more thing. They
call him the smartest man in the world, is like,
oh no, no, no, no. First first off, he has Asperger's
he has a I see him get lost in thought,
that whole pause that he does when he talks, and
it's like where he's It's like, oh, he must be
just lost and you know and all these different things. No,

(51:09):
he's just freaking lost. I mean not like Biden lost,
but he's lost. Don't give me this crap that he's
one of the smartest men in the world.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Ah, sorry, you know it's funny. I've got a friend. Yeah,
and he's got one of those problems. He's a great guy.
He's he's like a paranormal geek. And that's why he
and I have been friends for years. And for a while,
he would, you know, I would make a comment and
then it would be like thirty seconds before he would answer.

(51:38):
And I kept thinking, Todd, he must be thinking about
weird stuff and just all this stuff. And found out
that he's got Asperger's or somewhere you go, and you know,
inside this know to wait thirty seconds. And no, it's
just very interesting, No, I you know, the whole listen,
the whole dynamics. I mean, I mean we've traded. We've

(51:58):
traded Joe Biden and Kamala Harris for Donald Trump, Vance
and Elon Musk. I mean, it's just it's just wonderful.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
By the way, don't don't think that there's there's a
coincidence there By the way, not not knocking. I don't know,
you know. I saw Hillbilly Elogy, you know, the the JD.
Vance movie, which was interesting because it was made long
before he got into politics. The guy that that groomed
him for politics was a guy named Peter Teal, and
Peter Teal was Elon's boss. Peter Teal is the he's

(52:34):
the basically the mastermind behind PayPal PayPal if you don't
For those of you who don't know PayPal, the whole
reason it was even created was that eBay needed a
default electronic payment system. So once PayPal got up and
running and it was like, oh yeah, it's solid now,
eBay bought them and Peter Tiel made a ton of money,

(52:55):
and so did Elon Musk because even though he was
kicked out, he owned shares in the original IPO of PayPal.
I'm not mistaken, but Peter Thiel took jd Vance under
his wing and he was grooming him to be a
politician because as you know, politicians are bought and sold
like baseball cards. And he was the guy, so he

(53:16):
would have been the guy that called up Trump's people.
And that's why you want to know why he's vice president,
it's Peter Teel. Look it up, THI l if I'm
not mistaken, interesting, that's an interesting guy to in fact,
too interesting to be in politics that if you get
what I mean, and he's one of the puppet masters,
he will never be a puppet.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Okay, anyway, that's that's interesting. So I think our first
group of questions and really borne fruit. They really have.
We've had some interesting talks. Here. My next question, and

(53:55):
I know you're gonna love this is the Tower of Babel.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Talk to me about the Tower of Babel and start
trying to remember that conversation we had last night. It
was so fascinating you. I said, stop, don't talk about
it any more, saving for tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I love that story. It is one of the most
underrated stories in the Bible. I'm really surprised that no
one has turned it into at the very least an
hour episode on a sci fi television show or perhaps
a movie which is in Genesis. And you got to

(54:36):
wonder where the inspiration you know, who wrote it, because
you know this predates us, which is there was a
civilization that was created before ours that was perfect, unified
in every way. They didn't have multiple languages, they had
high tech abilities and self awareness, and they were unified

(54:58):
as a people. And the story goes is that they
figured out where they were now. They didn't mention flat
Earth by name, but they had an idea. And remember
this is an intelligent group of people that said, hey,
you know what, we're pretty sure we can reach Heaven
with a bridge or a road. All we have to

(55:21):
do is build it right here going. I mean, the
thing must have been massive in scale, and it must
have I can't imagine the resources that it must have consumed.
And the story goes that they meet, you know, it's like, yeah,
we're gonna go. We're gonna go meet God for ourselves where. Yeah,
we're gonna see if we're cann reach it. Of course,
why wouldn't you. This kind of kind of reminds me
of the story of Masada. You remember that Jewish stronghold

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where the where absolutely could not reach it, and the
Romans like, yeah, all we have to do is build
a really big road, you know, and slope it up.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
We'll make it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And they did. That's exactly what they did. And it's
like scary when you look at the tech that even
the Romans had, but imagine that, but but orders of
magnitude higher. So they're building this road or tower to Heaven,
you know, the tower tower, Babbel or Babel or whatever
you want to call it. And the story goes is

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that God sees this, you know, after a while and
he's like, he looks down, he's like, man, this is
not going well at all because they're gonna make it
and that that ruins the whole thing. And I think
they were meant that that particular civilization was made too perfectly.
So God, all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, here's
what we're gonna go. We're gonna divide all you people up.

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You have this language, you have this language. Scatter, scatter, scatter,
and wipe out the tower. And remember, there's no remnants
of this tower anyway to be anywhere to be found,
and there would have been even now. I mean, come on,
the Pyramids are still around. And that was just basically
a bunch of building blocks compared to this thing. And
that was it, you know that then it was basically

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God hitting the reset button or a soft reset and
and redoing the whole thing. And what I found in
was interesting. Again, it's an interesting story in the Bible,
but no pastor ever talks about this. Is if it's
a globe, where exactly was that tower going? Because remember,
if it's a globe, you're talking about toothpick on an

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orange that's spinning around in multiple directions going around the
solar system. What heaven is it going to? Hey, you
can say all all the people were delusional, like, oh really,
all of them, the entire civilization as a unit, were mad.
They were insane, They were completely wrong in their science.
Or did they realize when they were they were in

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a snow globe that's like, oh yeah, all I have
to do is build this toothpick thing up to the
ceiling and then we'll go to work.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
We no, no, no, no, let me tell you this is
a little joke here.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Now.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
What happened is Neil de Grasse Tyson was backward reincarnated,
and he was there and he was telling him what to.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Do knife Neil de grass Tyson, he is by the way,
he's in hindsight now that I've been doing this for
ten years, he has helped us more than he's heard us.
Meaning there was there was this wonderful line where he
was talking I can't remember what. He was talking to

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a group of students and he was on stage and
he was criticizing the Red Bull jump from a few
years back that as being scientifically dishonest, because you know
Red Bull, you know, they went up to like one
hundred and thirty thousand feet with one of their guys
and with all their logos, and then he jumped from
the edge of space and Niel's like, the edge of

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space one hundred and thirty thousand feet he's going, and
they used a wide angle lens and he called him
out on it goes, look all these wide angle lenses
similar to the peep hole lens in a hotel room,
like makes everything curved so you can see more. And
he's going, yeah, it's a wide angle lens. The curvature
of the Earth from that height wouldn't even exist. In fact,
at that height everything would be absolutely flat, which again

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I find interesting because I cannot tell you the amount
of people that have written me or called me or
told me in person that they saw the curvature of
the Earth from an airplane. The airplane doesn't even hit
forty thousand feet. So if Neil Tyson says it's tabletop
flat at one hundred and thirty thousand feet, what exactly
are you seeing? And what I try to remind people

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if you're if you're into orwell at all, you know
the whole five lights, four lights thing and how conditioning is.
It's I'm not calling them liars. That the people on planes,
it's not that they see the curvature. It's that they
want to see the curvature. If you are told over
and over growing up that the world does occur, you know,
you told that it's you're living on a ball. Eventually,

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when you look out there, you're going to convince yourself
it's a ball. And like like all of us that
got into flat Earth. And then when we got down,
you know, close to the ground, and we started shooting
long distance, whether it be photography or lasers or whatever,
we couldn't find it. That was the problem. We were
looking at say, oh, well, we should be able to
measure it. I mean, science says it's eight inches per
mile per mile, so or we should be able to

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measure it on a clear day, and we don't. So yeah, Neil,
good for him. He's he has helped us more. I
have sent people that video clip of him on stage
so many times, and I even call it, you know,
I try to try to grind their gears a little bit.
I go, I go, hey, so, Neil Tyson, he's your
high Priest of science, right. He's one of the biggest
media scientists in the world, if not the biggest. Is

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he wrong? Right? Because he's got a PhD in astrophysics?
Is he wrong? And I've actually had people, you know,
they don't even have a bachelor's degree say well, yes,
and he doesn't represent us. I go, okay, good, you know,
let's tell you what you you contact him, let him know,
and then maybe we'll get a revised answer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Get nothing, Okay? He his PhD in astrophysics is from
Columbia University. Right, that's a take of a place to
have a PhD from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yep, they took them quite a while to get it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Edie and listen, I'm just real proud that mine is
from North Carolina State, and I think that's better than Columbia. Well,
there you go, but that's just me and I don't know.
But yeah, what you know, they just don't take crap
on anything from n C State. Their first answer for
everything that you say is no, Now what were you

(01:01:30):
talking about? That that's the way and I learned. That's
why I learned, and that's why nobody knows if I
believe in the flat Earth or not. Right, I don't
know if I do or not. That is my training
at NC State you don't know. You investigate until you die.
You write up those papers and go on and let

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somebody else pick up. That's what you do. And I
don't know. I mean, I've got a lot of good answers.
I've got a lot of samples where the earth is
flat and somewhere the earth couldn't be flat. And I
don't know, I mean because I haven't seen you know,
I've seen pictures. Sure, but we know, Mark, I don't know,

(01:02:13):
But it sure is fun stuff to talk about and
think about. In one of these days, we might be
talking in front of some people like we're doing now,
or at a conference, and we might accidentally make the
statement that solves all the problems.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I mean, you know, that's really kind of how learning works.
I mean, you know, you got people that think about
this stuff, that keep doing research, and then all of
a sudden, one of them says something that turns out
to be the real truth. Not the truth, you know,
it's what they call the truth, but the real truth. Right,
there's two truths, the truth and the real truth. It's like,

(01:02:55):
oh my goodness, like Billy Kid, Oh God, I can
I could talk to you for days about Billy the Kid, well,
one of my true heroes. We don't and we don't
know what happened to him. I mean, do you know?
And I'll say this, and I don't care who thinks
what his mortal enemy was?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Who Billy the Kid?

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yep? It was Pat Garrett? Yeah, who enabled to believe
the kid to escape?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Pat Garrett?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yes, Yeah, I think they were. I think they were
best friends and had the utmost respect for each other. Sure,
And because I mean, Billy the Kids should have been
killed in the stairwell when he got out and he
was running down it and there were two guys there.

(01:03:52):
Then all of a sudden they got shot as they
were putting their beat on him in the stairwell, and
then they got shot. Now I wonder who shot them,
doesn't We don't have any proof or anything. But I
got a sneaking suspicion and Billy Kidd ran out and

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he was gone. That's the real story. Because one of
my very best friends is John Lemy, who is the
ultimate historian on Billy the Kid, and he has been
asked by the County of Lincoln, by Lincoln County in
New Mexico to write the story of Billy the Kid
and nobody better than John Lemy because he knows more

(01:04:34):
about it, he's done more research, and he agrees with me.
He said, I can't put that in the book, John,
But I agree, that's the real history. That's not history,
that's the real history. But people wouldn't like that, and
so you got to you gotta remember where we're telling
the truth, not the real truth. In Jim, anyway, I'll

(01:04:57):
shut up. I just had to get I just had
to get that. Well, we have time for one more
related question tonight. Okay, well, okay, I think we actually
kind of covered up all right. According to the we'll
call it the Neil de grass Tyson theory. Yeah, first,

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moving pretty fast, Yeah, it moves really fast around the Sun.
But the Sun moves really fast, thousands of miles a second. Yeah,
And you compound that with the speed of the planets
around the Sun, and then you talk about the solar

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system's velocity going around and like, I'm just amazed it
hadn't hit another it hadn't hit another solar system. Right,
that's just me. I'm just dumb on me for morgan
learn it. But but I'm asking one of those questions,
Please tell me why we haven't hit something else and
tell me why they have declassified Pluto as a planet.

(01:06:13):
And now they're beginning to think that there really is
a planet X. Now is that Elon Musk's planet? No,
they're beginning to think that there is a ninth planet
in an incredibly oblong orbit around our sun. Did we
better be careful of because that thing comes in the

(01:06:33):
wrong way, it can just kill the Earth?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
And I mean don't we don't know, And I think
I'm not sure of these dates, but I'm pretty sure
of this fact that a lot of psychics can see
up to about twenty five fifty and then they can't
see anything else. And I'm beginning to wonder if that's

(01:07:03):
not when Planet X is going to come in and
they Earth and Planet X is going to blow each
other up because they're going to be on the same paths.
But I mean, are you aware of that the most
psychics cannot see past twenty five fifty?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I am. I am not aware of that, however, And
I was, by the way I was with you, excuse
me when it came to New Bureau. I was a
big New Bureau guy about ten fifteen years ago. Yeah,
And I mean when the movie twenty twelve with John
Cusack came out in two thousand and nine. I was

(01:07:39):
all over it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh god, God, we loved that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Sorry great much, and I was. I again was part
of the reason I kept prepping. It was like, you know,
the whole New Bureau thing, and I was. I was
all over it. However, as the years came by, and
you know, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,
nothing happened. Now is it possible then in the Solar

(01:08:06):
System model, at least the perceived one, the lights on
the ceiling, you know, there could be some sort of
planetex I suppose Back to your original question, Yeah, the
velocities that we're supposedly traveling through space are amazingly huge.
You know, not only of the Earth spinning you know
on its access to one thousand miles an hour at
the equator, but it's traveling around the Sun at sixty

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thousand miles an hour, and then the Solar System is
flying sideways like a shotgun pattern at half a million
miles an hour supposedly, you know, through space, and the
Milky Way galaxy that we're in is supposedly flying two
million miles an hour in some direction that who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
And you know what, yet, I'm sitting here in my
dining room. It is so calm and peaceful, and there's
no notion of traveling zillions of miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Right, And there's no notion that anything in the solar
system is moving at all, other than when we see
the star trails at night. But none of those star trails.
Here's here's the interesting for those that are listening. Look
up the constellations of the zodiac. You know what, it's
never changed, the constellations of the zodiac. No stars. If

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you guys know what parallax is meaning, if you have
a star that's ten light years away and another one
that's two thousand light years away, sooner or later, the
perspective those stars are going to cross in the sky.
From the way we look, it's when you're driving on
a road. Parallax is the mailbox go by really fast,
the telephone poles go slower, and the mountains in the

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distance go even slower, you know, go very very slow.
No stars ever cross paths in the sky. Even with
all these weird velocities that we're traveling at. How's that happen.
Why has the zodiac never changed in thousands of years
even though we been you know, imagine the speeds that
we're traveling now multiply by thousands of years, and I

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know signs wild be like, oh no, we can detect
like fractions of an inch blah blah. It's like, really,
I don't see it. I don't see it anywhere. So
even though I'd love to keep believing in the Burou
that that ship came and went and nothing happened. Uh,
you know, I love the whole mayand concept. I was.
I was enabbored with it. I thought it was great.

(01:10:26):
But you know I I kind of joked over the
last few years. I go, if all of a sudden,
you know, the one, the great you guys want to
watch a great Planet X movie which no one had watched.
Watch Melancholia. The second half of that movie is is
Planet X showing up? And it is just freaking wild.
But if all of a sudden Planet X did show up,

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you know, in the in the daytime sky, I would
go outside and it would stare up and it's like,
what took you so long? Where have you been for
the last ten you know? Why? Why was everybody off
for so long. So yeah, I'm I don't put a
lot of stock in it anymore. That was the Bureau,
was was my pre I got into Flat Earth in
twenty fifteen. So when when, in fact, when flat Earth

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came around, the new Bureau thing, just that was my
official I am done. I am done with it. So
there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Okay, well that's great, And you know, we've had a
wonderful time tonight. We talked about we took our one
question about what is the firmament and we wove it
into other questions and I've had a blast. I always
have a great time when you're on. And we've got
one more and we're gonna have Jessica Jones, the great
remote viewer, and she knows she's going to be tasked

(01:11:41):
with something on the show. She's not gonna be lying.
She's gonna have to come forth with whatever she thinks. Yeah,
and I think it'll be cool. So I'll be posting.
I'll be posting this of course.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
On I if you don't mind me, I can add
something because I've a couple of remote viewers in my life,
and in fact, I knew some remote viewers that got
into flat Earth and if you believe how things are designed,
Before the guy into flat Earth, they remote viewed a globe,
but after they got into flat Earth, they never saw
the globe again once they came over to our side

(01:12:18):
the fence, which kind of makes sense because you know,
remote viewers have been around for a while, and you
would think that objectively they would run into it unless
the reality that built this place affects them as well,
you know what I mean, cover all your bases. It's
like you make sure the remote viewers don't see the
truth unless they want to see the truth. Just my thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, well, Mark, thank you. It's been a
lot of fun, and we'll be back in a couple
of days with our post Christmas show with our remote viewer,
Jessica Jones. She's going to be phenomenal. You will be
phenomenal as well, and uh, I'll be here manning the
helm and we're gonna have so much fun. Thanks on

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the prelude for the twenty twenty five Flat Earth conference
in Georgia, because it ain't good enough for Georgia, It's
not good enough for anywhere, and I love Georgia, and uh,
I think it'll be I think it'll be a blast.
So anyway, thanks a lot for being here tonight. Mark
Sargent from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Now Washington, Nope, Seattle, No, Washington, Washington, yeah state yeah, yeah, Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
They still have the space needle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Of course, it's from the World's Fair in nineteen sixty two.
They're not getting rid of that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Oh yeah, So thanks a lot. Mark is great, have
a good evening, have a very merry Christmas, and we'll
see you shortly after Christmas on one and only. You
know what, there's only one scary cast.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Bye bye bye Gysan