Feb 2 2024 Ben 'Guitaoist' on Gematria

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Episode Transcript

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Hello, and this is doctor JohnStamy live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
on New Year's Eve night with BenVilar's talking about Gamatria. What a great
topic, What a great gentleman whohas a lot of knowledge that we are
going to enjoyed. Ben. Howare you doing, Hey, John,
how are you doing. I'm great, I'm really good. I'm really excited

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to learn more about Gamatria. Forthe first part, give us a definition
and give us a simple example,because many of the people out there do
not know what gamatria is for sure. Yeah, Gametria is kind of a
unification of mathematics and the Bible.So essentially, every Hebrew letter and every

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Greek letter in each individual alphabet hasa numerical value. So olif is one,
bet is two, gimel is three, et cetera. And then when
you get to Huff it's twenty,and then Lamitus thirty, memis forty.
We'll get into some of those images, but yeah, a super simple example
would be I would say, Isaiahnineteen nineteen, that verse is actually talking

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about the Great Pyramid of Egypt,and I'm gonna go ahead and read it
real quick. So we're on thesame page. You're going to read the
English version, right, yes,sir, Yeah, so we can know
what we're talking about. Definitely.Yeah, it's a KJV translation. In
that day, there shall be analtar to the Lord in the midst of
the land of Egypt, and apillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

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And that shall be for a signand for a witness unto the Lord
of Hosts in the land of Egypt. Okay, And that's Isaiah nineteen nineteen
and twenty. And now when youadd those Hebrew letters up in the original
Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament,that adds up to five four hundred and
forty nine. Okay. And what'scrazy You take each number individually them up,

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would you say five thousand and one, five four hundred forty nine,
So fifty four to forty nine,that's what it is. What's fascinating about
that number is that it just sohappens to be the exact height of the
Great Pyramid itself that it's referring toin pyramid inches. And so it's like

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the verse talking about the Great Pyramid. When you just add up that verse,
simple addition, it happens to bethe height of the pyramid that it's
referring to, and these are thekind of what is the metric that you
were talking about you said in simplemid inches, Yeah, in pyramid inches.
It was a little bit different backthen. I believe it was a

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little bit longer than our current inch. And this is a known thing as
well, so you can we canyou know, reference that back to the
original source too, and it's justfascinating that happens to what that's what they
used in the past. Okay,yes, that is very interesting. Do
you have one more good simple example? I think that of course an example

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Isaiah twenty right, yes, sir, Yeah, it's super fascinating, and
sometimes it is that straightforward. Sometimesyou do have to do a little bit
of gymnastics. Another super simple,I guess example would be the very first
verse of the Bible, Genesis oneone. Okay, and this is super
holy verse and Hebrew it's bereship brahelohem at husherminva at Haaretz. In the

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beginning, God created the heavens andthe earth. Of course, now when
you add that up, it equalstwenty seven oh one. They're like,
okay, well, there's these thingscalled triangular numbers, you know, you
just have a dot one, two, three is a triangular number because you
can just simply form it into atriangle that straightforward. Well, twenty seven

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oh one just also happens to bea triangular number itself, and it's the
seventy third triangular number. So that'sanother very simple example. We're gonna get
more into Genesis one one as wellafter this when you're talking about a triangular
number, Yeah, you're talking aboutwe have three numbers that create twenty seven

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one? Is that correct? Ohno, Well, three is just an
example of a triangular number, Likeyou just have one, two, three,
and that forms a pyramid. Afour would be like a square,
you know. And and some ofthese images I have with the dots and
such, it'll show you that.And the Bible is just full of these
numbers. Six hundred and sixty sixis a triangular number as well, and

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so it's all connected and God istrying to show us this this hidden geometry
within his scriptures. Basically right now, I am not familiar with a triangular
number. Oh yes, is thatsomething about or like the pythagorea And it's

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it's even more simple than that,Like it's just the number divided by two,
and then in parentheses the number plusone. So it's there's a formula
here is the images will make moreclear. And for this one, it's
in the Gamatria three file I sentyou. It's that it's one of those
first images. You'll see it's atriangular number. Okay, great, right

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now, tell us a little bitabout the history of Gamatria and how it
was first. I guess determined thatthis was going on in the Bible,
because I am certain it's created quitea stir. You would think it would,
but to my surprise, it's veryrare and few and far between.

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A lot a lot of Jews knowabout it, and not a lot of
Christians know about it. But what'sthe most important thing is that these numerical
values were established prior to the Biblebeing written, so it's not something some
guy made up after the fact tomake it cool, you know. And
of course the cobbylists do a lotomaatrius study. I grew up Jewish,
and so my stepdad he's the reasonI was Jewish, and in his family

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he's taught me a lot of differentspiritual kabala things that that kind of have
a more spiritual bend than modern dayJudaism. But as far as who started
it, no one knows. It'sbeen established before Scripture was written. So
that makes once again, it's justnot after the fact some guy creating it
up. The prophets wrote it down, and we're figuring this stuff out years

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years later. We can't know ifthey knew about this. This is stuff
I've just been learning since the yeartwo thousand. Basically, right, I've
got an interesting story for you.Yeah, I would like to share with
you. Have you ever heard ofthe Arecibo message? No Nobo is the
location of radio telescope in Puerto Rico. Some scientists in nineteen seventy four crafted

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a message about humankind. What isour number system? What are we popularily
made of? They have carbon,the simple carbon. They have the number
of people that lived on the Earthat that time, which was about four
billion. They put lots of informationin this message and shot it up into
the sky, hoping somebody would hearit. Well, from what I can

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tell, and I'm doing some carefulresearch, twenty seven years later we got
a reply. Now, I don'tknow why nobody seems to know about this.
There's an article in a journal PrincetonAstronomy, you know, Princeton University.
Very few things like that. AndI'm trying to verify is this real

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because nobody wants to talk about theAricibo message that was received from another civilization.
Is this the Carl Sagan one orsomething? Is this the one where
Carl Sagan sends something into space?There? Is that a different thing.
I just want to make sure that. Well, No, he was involved
in putting this message together. Yeah, in the crop circle was the reply?

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Right? Here's that referring to somethingelse? No, there was a
crop circle reply, right. Therewas also an encoded message that was sent
back picked up by the radio telescope. Now, I mean, this is
all new to me, and whatI'm doing is I'm trying to start verifying

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the truth of this claim. Thatis always very important. You have a
lot of truth here that has beenverified by simply adding up the numbers of
these verses. Correct exactly. It'smath. It's not something to debate,
it's something to observe. Right now, I have heard not trying to get

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ahead of you here, but I'veheard the number pig figure into one of
these messages. Can you tell ushow that happens. Oh, of course.
Well, once again back to Genesisone one. We're still decoding things
that this, the very first verseof the Bible has provided us. It's

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just kind of like the foundation ofwhat what else you're gonna find later on?
Well, once again, Genesis oneone Brashi bar a laheim at aschamai
bad haretz in Hebrew, God's upto twenty seven oh one, which is
a truth on its own. However, there's a specific formula for the letters.
Uh here, let me just saythe formula so we can get it

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out and there will be an image, of course shown. You take the
number of the letters times the productof the letters, you know, when
you just multiply them and then dividethat by the number of words times the
product of the words, and youliterally get three point one four one five,
And that's pied to ninety nine pointnine nine nine percent accuracy. It's

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a simple woman. It's incredible otherdiscovery in simply the first verse of the
Bible. Now, one would thinkthat there would be a huge stir biblical
community about this. One would thinkthere isn't. There's it's virtually ignored.

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It's something that I've had to digfor. There's a few fringe guys on
the internet who I, of coursecorrespond with, and we know this kind
of stuff, but you won't hearit in any synagogue, in any church,
or in any math class. Andthese are the types of places where
we're supposed to be getting this exactkind of knowledge. In fact, the
film the movie called Pie, directedby Darren Aronofsky, who did you know,

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Black Swan and all these great films. One of his first movies was
called Pie. It's in black andwhite. And this mathematician genius is talking
to a fellow Hasidic Jew and theJew is what who tells the character about
ga Matria? And this is aso called popular movie. And that's when
I saw that in the year twothousand, I believe is released in ninety
eight. That changed my life.I was like, Okay, the Bible

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is not just a book of propaganda. There's something holy there. Well,
from my lack of knowledge of goodMatria, I believe it is wholly very
important. And there are tremendous amountsI know there are tremendous amounts of secrets
in the Bible. There was anarticle that came out in a mathematical statistics

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journal called the Bible Code. Areyou familiar with that? Not that specific
article. No, there's tons ofcool Bible Code stuff though. Well,
that was I think the first one. And I had a copy of a
paper that I wrote. I presentedit at an education conference and everybody looked
at me like, we don't understandthis. I didn't have anyone that was

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Jewish in the audience, and allI had to do was, well,
this is a set of Jewish lettersthat correspond to a verse in the Bible,
and let me show you what happens. Now, you know, I
did the best that I could.Mean, I do not know Hebrew,
but I was trying. So Iguess the Lord helps those who look for

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help. Yeah, showed up.So what I will do? Give me
about a week and I will getyou a copy of this article. Oh
great, and it's in English.You do know, you do know Hebrew?
Correct? I grew up Jewish inan Orthodox synagogue. I wasn't necessarily

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practicing every single day, but yeah, I've been reading Hebrew since I was
ten. I can't speak it,but I can definitely read it. Right.
Well, I will discuss this.We will discuss this concept here within
a day or so. I thinkit's very interested, very interesting, and
so it's wonderful that I have somebodythat I can do a little bit of

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this resource with that can help meunderstand what it is, because I think
you really want to know Hebrew tounderstand this, and that is probably that
is a language barrier that seems tobe the big problem with all Greed stuff,
Matri, because I don't know it, man, So this is a

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fertile ground for research. Yeah,even the Greek too. I actually I
had to learn how to read Greekso I could study the New Testament in
its original texts. And then Icome to find out, of course Greek
has its own Bible codes because allthe Old Testaments in Hebrew and all the
New Testament is in Greek, andso you got to at least have some

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kind of working knowledge of the lettersin order to find these kind of fun
codes that's left for us, youknow, right, Well, it's great
that we've had this discussion here.Oh yeah, this cly feature into some
other things that we will do.Okay, Now, for someone who has
studied this, we've learned that PIis in Genesis one one E, which

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is oilers constant is two point sixtyseven dot dot dot. Yeah. The
oilers constant, which is one ofthe most important constants in all of physics,
is encoded in the Bible through gomatreit. How is that happen?
Yeah, it's a two point sevenone eight, you know, et cetera.

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What's what's really fascinating about that,John, is that it's it's using
the same exact formula that we justuse for Genesis one one in the beginning,
et cetera. It's going to be, but it's for the verse,
John one one in the beginning wasthe Word, and the word was God
in the word was with God.You know that verse they both start with

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in the beginning, and they're bothboth using the same exact formula to come
to these universal constants, which,of course I'll say again, is the
number of letters times the product ofthe letters divided by the number of words
times products of the words. Youget two point seven point eight, which
you know is an accuracy of ninetynine point nine nine percent of Youaler's constant
exactly. So Okay, I'm goingto pull a fast one on you,

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and I want to do this,and I hope you will appreciate what I'm
doing. The shortest verse in theBible is what isn't it? Jesus wept?
Jesus wept? Yeah, how difficultwould it be for you to compute?
Is it a Gamatria code or amatria number? I mean you you

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can find the value just by lookingat the Greek you know, gamatria letters.
And I'll get back to you onthat. I can't look it up
now because I have all this stuffon my screen, but it's stuff.
I'll definitely look that up for youand try and see if there's something there.
I mean, I think, Imean, I think that's a very
important verse of the Bible. Andso anyway, all right, pulled a

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fast one on you, and youanswered it like a true scholar. Let
me get back to you own it. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm
not going to waste your time andpretend to be smart. I'm going to
actually try and look at it.And you know, when you asked me
to look into Revelation one to one, he said, hey, see if
there's something there. I didn't findany universal values using this constant this code

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we're using. But again, itdidn't start within the beginning so I'll just
give it, you know, thebenefit of the doubt. But I did
find out the number of letters inRevelation one one in Greek, of course,
adds up to one thirty seven,okay, And that's of course the
inverse of the fine structure constant ifyou study like quantum physics and light speed
and some fine structure constant. Oneof the most important numbers in the world.

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Yeah, that one. Yeah,they all happen to be hidden there,
you know, in Genesis one one, Genre on one, now,
Revelation one one. So the listgoes on, and we're going to get
into one thirty seven a little bitlater on as well, Carl Jon it
was a best of that number.My idea of looking at revelations had a
little bit was a little bit ofhelp in coming up with fines constant.

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Mhmm, right, I believe.So yeah, I'm still looking into that
one though. Revelation one one relativelynew too. Well, what are some
of the other facts and interesting thingsthat you could tell us Aboutmentry? I
am I am all ears now Ihear my ears and all ears. No,
yeah, hopefully we'll still be interactive, you know. I love talking

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to you you're super open minded andyou're super interested, and that's that's the
issue. These days, it's hardto find mathematicians who take the Bible seriously,
and it's hard to take by theway, I want to explain to
everybody, I have a master's degreein pure mathematics from wake Forest University.
I have a master's degree in theoreticalcomputer science from Clemson University, and part

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of my doctorate is in theoretical computerscience. So I do qualify as a
mathematis and I'm just People say you'rea nerd. No, I'm not.
I am addicted to learning, andin my opinion, this is one of
the most fascinating things. I thoughta lot about the Bible Code when I

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wrote that paper. It was aboutfifteen years ago, and I wrote it
with a student. He got completelylost. But you know, I thought
a lot of that, and thenI just needed Ben Vlars sitting next to
me in my office. It iswhat I need, isn't it. Yeah.
You know, if we met sooner, we could have clarified some things.
Yeah, I'd definitely love to helpout any kind of study. And

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you're right, he didn't know whatto take it as. But you know,
I can definitely help you show whyit's super important and not just the
pastime. If it's real, thenit's all real in some kind of way.
Right now, There's one other thingthat I want to mention about this
seminal paper of the Bible code.Yeah, I'd love to hear Mark.
They have a lot of back andforth about what is the original Hebrew Bible?

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What considered the original one that youwould examine to create? Now,
are these gamatria codes or numbers?First question, well, what do you
mean? Is it gmetric codes ornumbers or are you going to ask what
do you call it? I callthem gymetria codes and the numerical values are

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just the letters themselves. That's fine. Now. Number two, the name
is the Torah? Is that correct? Yes? The first five books of
the Old Testament is the Torah?The whole you know, thirty nine books
would be the ton of Actually theysay it's something else, but that's a
different topic as far as the numberof books. Yeah, and so what

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is where would one go? Whatversion, edition, et cetera. We
I think in the Protestant world wecount on the King James version, the
original one that was created under theauspices of King James. So what would
one call the absolute original Torah.Well, if we want to get into

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King james oly debate, I gota lot of ammo there too, because
I studied Greek and you can't translateall Greek into English all that kind of
stuff. I'm more of a purist. I go to the Greek and the
Hebrew. The King James is definitelythe most influential, but there's still some
marriage there. But that's what Iprefer reading personally. Of course I love
Shakespeare and all that stuff, butyeah, as far as Hebrew, I

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would say, you know the originalnine well not the original, but the
nine hundred AD masotic text, youknow, that's that's essentially what the King
James is using as a translation.However, if you know about the Septuagint
at all, which is the Greekform of the Old Testament, it's actually
a thousand years older, so andthere's some verse discrepancies between those two texts,

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and it's a big battle between theseptuagen Old Testament, which is Greek,
or the Mazeratic Hebrew text that theRabbis made well after Jesus already died,
and kind of altered some of thoseprophecies I believe personally. But yeah,
we just got to use the HebrewMasoretic Text for Hebrew Gmtria codes for
now because that's the most reliable.Okay, And can you work with me

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to understand and get some good backgroundand backstory about both of those texts so
that people will understand what we're talkingabout. That is very important. It
is, that's the whole point,because if you're reading the wrong text,
then you're not going to get theright code. And so sometimes my instincts,

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my hunches are like, if I'mseeing a code here, then this
is most likely accurate. But there'smany differences between the septuagin Old Testament and
the Hebrew Masoretic Text Old Testament.But concerning Gamatria, all we have is
the Masoretic text essentially, and that'swhat I have to use, is ok
And then and all that stuff.What's up? That is an excellent answer,

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and thank you for that. Youhave you have answered one of my
first very big questions. Excellent question. Bible code mystery. So we are
unraveling truly one of the greatest mysteriesof all time, aren't we? It
combines math and God. Like,what's more fun than that? Now?
To me, I'm big dork.Maybe golf, but and I think God

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likes golf. Yeah, I likewee golf for sure, and putt putt.
So anyway, anyway, back backto the back to the questions at
hand. Thank you for answering thatnumber one. Where would we go to
get a copy of the Maseratic Text? Where would I go by it?
You know, sadly, and Iwant to say a normal bookstore, but

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I can't. I have to sayAmazon, you know, just uh,
the what I have is a coupleof different versions, but I just use
the essential, the Hebrew, theone my synagogue used to you using the
day. I forget the exact publication, but you would just type Hebrew Maseratic
Text essentially in Amazon and you'll getthe good stuff. As long as it

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says Maseratic text and Hebrew, itshould all essentially be the same. Okay,
great, thank you. Now I'mgoing to ask you a little bit
of a political question. Okay,I'm gonna let you the the Jewish religion
version of this question. What havebeen some of the comments that you've heard
about this entire study of Gamatria somecomments, like on my own channel or

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just in my studies in general,just in general, what have you heard?
What do they say about the ideaof Gamatria. Again, it's super
hard to refute if you tell,you know, a Bible thump er.
Hey, guys has hides physics andpie and math, and they're like,

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you know, that's that's all goodand stuff, But it's only the morals
that matter. No, it's notjust a book of morality and ethics.
It's a it's a hidden it's ahidden realm in which not many people are
aware of. And so most ofmost of my feedback has been positive or
silence, and silence is sometimes,you know, proof of victory because you

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know, right, I want youto think of this, it's a treasure
chest, do you yes, sir? And that's I like. I like
that notion because it is a treasurechest. And I think in a thousand
years we will still be learning thingsfrom the Bible, from the Mazarati te

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and hopefully from the King James versionI have heard. Now, don't quote
me on this, but I'm gonnaI'm gonna verify everything that I've talked to
you about tonight. I've heard thereare some codes in the King James version,
and I can go back through mynotes when I published that paper and
I can work on that with you, and I think it'll be really a

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lot of fun. Well, ifyou want to get into the KJV stuff,
one of my favorite YouTubers is RyanPlaster, and he has some of
the most profound King James Bible codes. I believe, but I'm also a
believer that Francis Bacon was partly itseditor. Francis Bacon knew King James.
He was actually in charge for afull week of England when King James like

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went to France for a meeting orsomething, and so King James in sixteen
hen gave the transcripts to Francis Baconand then he published at sixteen eleven after
that, So there's a whole bunchof codes. And of course I believe
Francis Bacon is Shakespeare, and there'sa tons of codes in the shakespeare First
Folio of sixteen twenty three, Soyeah, that's a whole new can of
worms. I think that Francis Baconwas an absolute genius, not just a

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genius, but an absolute genus,and whatever he touched turned to a genius.
So you and I have a lot, you know, it's great.
The more we talk, the morequestions we have, and that means this
is a good area to study.Oh yeah, never ending totally. Francis
is super underrated and his legacy Ithink is going to become more apparent in

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the years to come. We justwake up, you know. And I
don't mean to drop a name,but I believe there's a brilliant engineer from
Charlotte. His name is Brooks Agne. He has studied the hollow Earth and
has come up with some theories thatactually makes sense. Cool. He's just
a brilliant man, and I'm goingto involve him in some of this because

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I believe to be I believe onewhen you do research, you need to
be inclusive and you get everybody thatreally might have a good idea and you
put him together. Don't you doyou agree with that? Oh yeah?
Oh yeah. More the merrier,especially with stuff like this where no one
seems to care. If you actuallyfind someone who cares, you gotta,

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you know, hold on to them. I got news for you. You
give us a year with this.I think a lot of people are gonna
care you know. Yeah, Ithink I've known in my circles as being
a communicator. You're known in yourcircles as being a communicator. Better watch
what happens. We're gonna have anexplosion. Okay, mind give us give

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us some Egypt. Can you giveus other than the Pyramid of Giza?
Can you give us any more Egyptianexamples with com well as far as Egypt
as we know, well, it'sweird. You mentioned that Exodus three fourteen,
which of course is pie three onefour or no, I'm sorry,

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Exodus twenty two seven, and whenyou divide twenty two by seven, it's
three point one four, which ispi. That's where it literally says Moses
was learned in all of the wisdomof Egypt. Okay, and so Moses,
even though he's essentially a Hebrew,he knew many holy things that the

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Bible just doesn't mention at that time. As far as Goomtria, I don't
study Egyptian numerology like that. Idon't know how their pictorial images work.
I think, you know, withwritten language like Hebrew and Greek, that's
when it kind of became solidified.But of course Egypt is a little more
pictorial and symbolic versus just all ofhis bed and you know all of his

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one bet is too, et cetera. But no, I want to study
that. That's a great question.Well, thank you. And I've got
another important question that has come up, and I'll go ahead and mention my
co author's name in this particular area. It's are you familiar with a four

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forty the pitch A four forty?Oh yeah, we can get into the
four thirty two Hurtz frequency stuff aswell. Oh yeah, because John LeMay,
who's the most prolific paranormal author inthe country, and I have been
doing some work on four thirty twoand we have been having some success.

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Personal success is in listening to somefour thirty two music manifest itself. So
is that something else you could talkabout at some point? Yeah, four
thirty two is something I've been studyingfor years as well. In fact,
you know, I'm in the earlytwentieth century. Some say, you know,

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the Nazis changed the four forty tofour thirty two because it, you
know, messes with the frequency orsome you know, the ISO standard changed
all of a sudden, and alot of people protested it they wanted to
keep it at four thirty two,but they said no, let's do it
full forty. So yeah, Ido believe some of the magic is lost
when the actual frequencies aren't, youknow, in sync with nature, because

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four thirty two is all throughout natureand just real quick, if something I
figured out just randomly out of curiositybefore thirty two, if a circle has
a circumference of four hundred and thirtytwo inches, its diameter is one thirty
seven point five, there's that finestructure constant. Again, exactly is it
one thirty seven point five? Yeah, like one one thirty seven point five

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to one I believe to be exact. But it's almost the same thirty seven
as we say in music, becauseI'm a musician. That's close enough for
jazz. Yeah, for jazz.Oh yeah, you got to play the
wrong to tell you what. Jazzis very precise, so difficult statement close
enough for jazz is a misnomer.Jazz is extremely extremely precise. I'm a

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musician, so I totally respect that. Yeah, it's more, it's more
I can't find jazz like I respectthose guys so much. And that's a
great that's a great point. CharlieParker. You nobody could touch him.
Okay, Okay, look, I'mglad we heard this question now. And
I think sometimes just talking about theseconcepts in relation to goa matria are important

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as well. This kind of givesus a list of topics that we need
to explore. Do you agree it'sall connected? Yeah, numbers, frequencies,
all that fun stuff. It's it'snot just for math nerds. It's
for people to confirm the holy truthsof you know, things that have been
thousands of years old that we justkind of neglect as a book of propaganda.

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You know. It's it's gonna bemuch deeper than that. And this
is this stuff proves it. I'mgonna say, there's no word, no
phrase such as math nerds. Thisis for theoretical mathematicians and biblical scholars.
It is its nature in the highestorder. Okay, So tell us just
some more what I call fun facts. They might be a little tough to

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understand, but tell us some morefacts. Yeah, as we look at
this as an introduction in learning aboutit, Okay, of course, Well
we can go back to triangular numbersreal quick. We saw that the first
verse of the Bible twenty seven ohone just happens to be a triangular number.
If it was twenty seven hundred,you wouldn't have that last dot on

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the top, it wouldn't be thefirst three, first two dimensional shape a
triangle. But we also have othernumbers that are triangular, as I mentioned
sixty sixty six of course the numberof the beast, but also one hundred
and fifty three in John twenty one, where Jesus catches the fish with the
net catches one hundred and fifty threefish, well, that happens to be

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triangular as well. And also theBook of Acts there's two hundred and seventy
six souls that are saved. That'sa triangular number as well. So God's
hiding these shapes, and we're justlike, oh, it's just that's an
interesting Bible verse next one, butwe need to add up these numbers.
And now another fascinating thing about Genesisone one and John one one again,
as we found he's in that sameformula from earlier. If you put Genesis

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one one on top of John oneone, which is thirty six twenty seven,
it creates an even larger triangular number. It's perfect. These thousands of
little dots just happened to be atriangular to the very last one, so
another proof of the purchase. They'reconnected, and that's why they both start
with in the beginning. As wellas far as more intro stuff, there's

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a great book by I actually gotit here. I'm gonna do some shame
Jesus Christ and the Number of hisName by Bonnie Gaunt. No, you
can see that this is one ofthe best books I've ever read on ga
Matria, because there's so few anyway. But what she found, and that

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is in the original, you know, Greek Book of Revelation. You take
the twelve tribes of Israel in Greek, not the Hebrew, and that adds
up to eighty eight eighty, okay, And then you take the twelve yeah,
and then you take the twelve apostles, you know, Peter Andrew,
James, et cetera in Greek aswell, and that adds up to ten
six fifty six. Divide ten tofifty ten six fifty six by eighty eight

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eighty and you get twelve. They'rea fractal love each other to the twelfth,
you know degree. And I havea sheet here as well that you
can see in the text. Sothat's great because I guess I never told
you my masters in computer science wasabout the study of fractals. Super cool,

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right, that's all. Now I'vegot another question, and this really
comes out of left field, andI don't mind sharing this week work.
Can you pinpoint the name of thedisciple with a triangular number or something else
it has to do with go matricit? Can that be done? I'll

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have to get back to you.But I'm sure there's something you know,
like that's the thing about Comatria.I'm always optimistic. I always know there
will be something. We just haven'tlooked for it yet. But as far
as specific names, I can definitelyget back to you on that. That's
a good question, the one thatI want you to research because I believe

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I met this gentleman this past LaborDay. It is Saint Philip. When
I looked at Philip in Google,there was no Saint Philip other than the
one that sat at the table ofthe Last Supper, and I found that
curious. So please job and seewhat you can find out about saying Philip.

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Sure, yeah, I'm seeing inthe Greek it adds up to nine
eighty. But I'm gonna mess witheach letter individually, like you know,
multiply all of them and do whatever. Have some fun. That's just a
personal favor, not a problem.You don't mind helping me on that got
you. I will be glad totell you the story offline. It's an
amazing story. I'd love to hearthat for sure. That's why I'm here.

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Okay, so tell us a couplemore stories that these get more and
more interesting. Yeah, well,if you want to get into let's see.
Just as far as prophecy, thisis a real simple one. Every
Christian knows. Isaiah fifty three isa Jesus prophecy, and specifically this verse.
Will well, let me just tellyou Isaiah fifty three eleven, it's

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a Jesus prophecy. In Hebrew.It says he shall labor of his soul
and shall be satisfied by his knowledge. Did my servant justified the righteous one
to the many and did bear theiriniquities? Of course, Jesus bared our
sins, you know, and allthat stuff that adds up to thirty one
sixty eight in Hebrew. And soof course Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ in

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Greek adds up to thirty one sixtyeight in Greek. So it's almost as
if Gamatria is confirming the code whichhid the prophecy of Jesus in the first
place. And once again, Ihave an image of that, and you
know it'll be on the screen onthe future or whatever. But that's just

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it's just more like, it's moreconnections. You know, a lot of
Christians don't want the Old Testament.They think it's scary Yahweh law and killing
stuff. But one of my controversialtheories is that Yahweh was actually Satan most
of the time, because Jesus's dadwouldn't kill kids in numbers thirty one or
Deuteronomy twenty eight. But I don'twant to segue too much, because that's
why people are scared of the OldTestament, because it was actually Satan in

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disguise. That's a whole different kitof words. Once again, another Now,
Ben, we are here to takea can opener and open every can
of worms that we can, right, it doesn't even have to be a
can opener, just any by anymeans necessary. And we'll go into something

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really quick that ties into astrology andGoometria. Oh, Wow, that's great.
Yeah, so we see that Jesusin Mark fourteen thirteen, he says,
go follow the man bearing a pictureof water, and then there's a
last supper after that, and thatkind of signifies the age of Aquarius coming

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in my belief. But what's funnyis that the phrase water bearing in Greek
adds up to twenty three thirty six. Okay, And now this is where
it gets crazy. It happens tobe the same exact value as the verse
that shows that constellations and astrology revealthe story of Scripture Psalm nineteen one.

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The heavens declare the glory of God, meaning you know, the heavens,
the stars and the firmament shows hishandiwork. Okay, And that that Psalm
nineteen in Hebrew adds up to twentythree thirty six, which is exactly what
water bear is in the New Testament, twenty three thirty six. So it's
all astrology tyme with mathematics, youknow, it's just a unification of concepts

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that we're just barely skimming the surfaceof, right, I might I might
go ahead and share with you somethingabout to predictive power of the songs.
Are you ready for this one.Yes, sir, When you have a
problem, sit and contemplate on thenews. How many psalms are there?

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One hundred and fifty? Yeah,I can't depending on the translation because the
septuagen has like one less. Butyeah, it's definitely over the hundreds.
Right, So what you do isyou sit there and concentrate for a number,
and that number, if you readthat psalm, that is the answer
to the problem you're contemplating. Cool, that's a good idea. It's it

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works. Okay, there's lots ofstuff wow coming and I think it's great.
All right, give us one morereally cool thing about Agamatru and we'll
close up for this chapter and thenwe'll do chapter one B tomorrow night or
the next night. Okay, ohyeah, well we'll have to plan that

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for sure. But I guess I'llend with one pint thirty seven again.
And this is this one kind ofjust blew my mind when I first heard
about it. Now, hopefully there'san image up showing the tetragrammaton aka the
Hebrew name of God. You'd heybovehey, some say yahweh, some say
Jehovah. But if you look atthese characters A yo'd looks like a little

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seven, like the number seven,and hey looks like pi, and VeVe
you'd heyvove hey, VeVe looks likea large seven. Okay, And now
what's crazy is all you have todo is is put a diagonal between those
two uh values. It's actually pitime seven over pi to the seventh power,

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which equals zero point zero zero seventwo one eight aka the inverse.
The inverse of which we know isone thirty seven. Yes, yeah,
so Yahweh's name hides one thirty sevenonce again. And of course God is
of light. God created light,and we need to find structure constant in

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order to come to these you know, light speed calculations at Einstein and Schrodenberg's
formula and all that stuff comes downto light of the world. We need
a good a good physicist and Iknow one well talk does that sound?
Oh? Sounds great? I Youknow, those are the kind of people

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who understand these formulas. And thoseare the kind of people I'm trying to
say, not all religion is justabout propaganda and controlling mankind. You know,
we've gotten kind of a polluted ideaof what God is, what he
came from and how we should bebelieving in him or it right. Well,
Ben, thank you very much.This has been a very enjoyable,

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very interesting conversation with Ben Vilars fromTexas. He knows a lot about Gametrio.
We're going to continue this conversation.There's so much to find out,
probably more to find out than wecan do in our lifetimes, but we'll
keep trying, right Ben. Oh, Yeah, people have been studying it
for thousands of years since some otherguy will come and find something new the

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next one hundred years later. It'sinfant I really appreciate you having me.
Well, you are welcome and we'llsee you very soon. Thank you very
much, Ben Vilars from Texas.We appreciate you later.