ScaryCast Antarctica with Mark Sargent and Jessica Jones

ScaryCast presents an interview with Mark Sargent of the Flat Earth Society and remote viewer Jessica Jones, the Cryptid Huntress. The topic is Antartica. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good evening and live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, the
soun fun capital of the world. Today it was beautiful.
I'm doctor John Stamy, and I want to welcome everyone
to one of our Christmas editions of Scary Cast. It's
so good to have everybody here. I've got two tremendous
friends of mine, and I am very fortunate that they

(00:23):
are both here in the world, alive and well. I've
had some interesting news today, but anyway, I'm glad everyone's here.
First of all, a co host and good friend of mine,
and she comes to a number of my conferences to talk.
The one and only Jessica Jones. How are you doing tonight, Jessica.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hey, doctor don I'm doing I'm doing pretty good, pretty good.
I'm on the men's had that little funky health thing
going on past couple of days. But I'm okay. I'm okay.
I'm excited to be here. I think it's has I've
been working too hard and doing too much, and I
haven't gotten out in the woods enough lately. That's what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
That's right, you haven't been near Bigfoot enough, so that's
the problem. All right, Well, we are thrilled to have
you here and tonight our special guest were over the
Christmas holidays. One of the greatest researchers and one of
the best thinkers in the paranormal world and in the
flat earth world, the one and only Mark Sargeant.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
How you doing tonight, Mark, I am doing well. Thank you,
Thank you so much for having me. It is a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Well good, thank you for being here. It's wonderful having
both of you here. I kind of envisioned this show
about two weeks ago, and then we, of course had
some problems in getting it to work. And I don't know,
sometimes those problems are not necessarily our fault. But we're here,
we're clear, we can hear each other, and we're gonna

(01:59):
have I have a fun time here on Scary Cast.
So tonight, I guess the talk, the topic and the
talk are a little bit different from what I originally
thought because I've got a very strange phone call right
before this this event started, and I will not mention that,

(02:25):
but it will come up in the conversation. We're going
to talk about Antarctica, and I'll tell you why. Mark
Sergeant is one of the leading thinkers and doers of
the flat Earth. Now my position is this, I don't
know what's going on with the Earth. I don't know
if it's flat, round, or square or whatever, but I

(02:49):
know there are some interesting contradictions in every one of
the ideas of what the Earth is like. Now, Sergeant,
I'll call on you. Do you agree there are lots
of contradictions.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
There are a lot of issues, which again gotten most
of the people in my community into flat earth in
the first place. We all thought it was silly. Everybody knows,
you know, growing up where we live in a globe.
The globe has been in our classroom since we were
in first grade. And yet so it's like, oh, well,
it should be easy to prove. And that's how I
got into it. I tried to prove it for you know,

(03:28):
got into it at the summer of twenty fourteen, and
nine months later, in the beginning of twenty fifteen, I
had given up. I said, look, I can't prove it
in a court of law anymore, so I'm just going
to put it out there. Here's why I think we
could live in a snow globe. And thought I would
get shot down immediately, and the Internet came back said noope,
it is actually way weirder than that. And so that's

(03:50):
where I started ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, that's great, and I'll never forget. And then I'm
going to go to Jessica. I'll never forget. When I
was in the second grade, there was a globe in
the back of the room in our classroom, and what
I would do is I would write down the names

(04:14):
of the countries and the countries adjacent to them. That's
what I guess a fairly pedantic, little two year seventh
grader would do. And I thought it was really cool.
And I would take it up to Ms. Garrison and
she'd put a check. She'd say, good work, Johnny. And
it occurred to me the Earth couldn't be round. I mean,

(04:41):
maybe it is, because we were always taught that there
were other planets in the Solar System that were round.
We were told this, we were told that astronomers had
seen them, but I'd never seen one. And then I
got a strong I got a telescope in the fourth

(05:06):
grade and I started seeing the round Moon. And that's
back when we could see. Now I'm going to date
myself and I would like for both of you to
comment on this. That's when we had the Man in
the moon. Now, hey, Jessica Jones, how are you.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I'm loving this conversation already.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, well good, that's good. Now do you remember the
Man in the moon.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I've heard of the Man in the moon?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes, And the man in the moon you could look
up at it at a full moon, and the dude
had a big nose and you can see you can
see an eye and a big nose and kind of
a mouth. Now, Mark, Sergeant, I'm going to ask you,
do you remember the vision of the Man in the Moon?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I do, but it's been a while. You know. I'm
a I'm a big media buff. I absorb all media
that I can. And the older movies infect the really
early movies of moon exploration, long before NASA was founded
in nineteen fifty nine. Use the Man in the moon.
There's a there's a famous one from back in the day,
during the silent movie era where the rocket plowed into

(06:23):
the moon and it and it poked in the eye
of the man in the moon.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Are you talking about nineteen oh eight the Man in
the Mood? Yes, that was nineteen oh eight, and that
was kind of a takeoff on a Jules vern thing. Yeah,
And I just thought it was really cool, Yeah, that
it was.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
A cool image. I have not seen any modern versions
of that, even hinting to the face on the moon anymore.
It's weirdly that you would bring that up.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
But then I think the most famous one of all,
the most famous man in the Moon comes from It's
a Wonderful Life. Donna Reid played Jimmy Stewart's girlfriend, and
she had how he hung the Moon And there's a
picture of a man superimposed on the moon now and

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we didn't. I didn't think anything about that the first
time I saw it, because we used to go outside
and see the image of a man a face on
the moon. But now we don't. We see it's very plain,
and it's different, and it's gone, and I don't think
for some reason, I don't think we can find a

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picture or an image of the man on the moon
or the man in the moon now. R E M
the very famous pop rock group from Athens, Georgia. They
have a song called if You'd Believe in a Man
in the Moon, and they remembered that. Now they're older
like me, like you, Mark, They're not you know. Jessica's

(08:04):
a beautiful lady, and she's not old like we like
we are.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I have to correct you because I'm a media guy.
The the the R A M song and it actually
doesn't doesn't hurt. Your argument was if you believe we
put a man on the moon, which which was which
was a play on? Okay, you know, really the Americans
went to the moon? Really, I am a I am

(08:35):
a huge believer that that R. E. M. Kind of
knew that the American space program was not as advertised.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh oh, I certainly believe that Stanley Kubrick went on
the moon. Yes, I certainly believe that the greatest director
in history, no one but Stanley Kubrick could have created
that legend of the man in the moon. But yes,
the man in the moon is something. And my father,

(09:02):
you see, I had a really great dad and he
taught me about science. If I can just digress a minute,
he came home one day it was like I think
it was right around the twenty second of December, and
he said, I said, Dad, are you okay? He said, yes, son,

(09:23):
I want us to talk a little bit. I said, well, okay. Well,
I was like I'm four or five years old. He said, son,
do you notice that the sun is going down. And
he showed me his watch and I knew how to
tell time. He said, what time is it? I said,
it's four thirty. He said, do you notice the sun
is going down? I said yes. He said okay, as

(09:46):
he just went on in the house. And so then
that summer I think maybe I was five, and he said, son,
I know you're asleep, but I've talked with your mother
and she's okay with you to throw on your clothes,
and I want you to come outside with me. It
was like nine to forty at night. I said, sure, Dad,

(10:09):
what's up? He said, let me show you something. He said,
all right, what time is it. I said it's about
nine forty five. What's the sun doing? I said, it's
just going down. Oh my goodness. But back in December
it was going down at four point thirty in the afternoon.
And he said that's right, because what I'm teaching you

(10:35):
is that during the summer it takes longer for the
sun to go through the horizons than it does in
the winter. I said, wow, that's really cool. He said,
so we've learned a little bit about science. He was
always interested in the space program. And then we had

(10:57):
a moment. He and I have a moment that was
just kind of strange. I'm really dating myself. I think
I was eight years old and we were watching Neil
Armstrong communicate with Mission control in Houston, and Neil Armstrong

(11:20):
would talk and they would respond. He would talk and
they would respond. I said, well, Daddy, I mean we've
heard that the moon is a quarter of a million
miles away. Now, how can they be talking? And I
knew the phrase real time? How can they be talking

(11:42):
in real time when the moon's a quarter of a
million miles away. That should take more time for those
radio waves to get back to us. And he turned around.
He turned around, looked at me. He said, son, I
have no idea. I never thought about that. He was
a radio controller operator in World War Two and I

(12:03):
was just a pedantic, little smart jerk back when I
was a kid. But I said, how is that happening?
And he said He looked at me. He said, son,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And that was the end of that.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
He said, well, I don't know. Let's just keep watching it.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So the whole point is there have been anomalies about communication,
and one is how fast the radio waves go. Now,
it's real funny. Somebody said, oh, it only takes seven seconds.
Well it's okay. Well here the seven seconds going back
and forth in these conversations. So I didn't take that.

(12:44):
I didn't believe that. I don't believe anything. I sit
and I smile and I nod my head. But I
know what I believe. So anyway, there are strange things.
There are anomalies. Now, Jessica Jones, did you ever have
a moment when you kind of were didn't know what

(13:05):
was going on with things like that?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, I had a fascination with outer space and UFOs
as a kid, and which later led me into what
I do today. And I Mark, Mark may have no idea.
I'm a big foot field researcher, okay, and I go
out and do cryptied field research. I've been doing it
for a well over a decade since twenty eleven, and
it's kind of my life now. And just went bigfoot

(13:31):
and field research and stuff. But I'm also trained, highly
trained in remote viewing, the type that our military does,
and my entire team of cryptid researchers were all trained
in that. And in the first time, I mean, I've
always seen anomalies. John Okay, I've always seen anomalies, but okay, well,

(13:51):
I gotta say the UN flag was the first one
when I thought about the flatter theory, and I didn't
think the flatter theory could ever be true until I
saw that flag and I realized what it was. But
I was seeing these these anomalies when it came to
outer space in the Moon, when I was tasked with
something that I was told to never do. Okay, I

(14:12):
was told to never remote view of the Moon. And
if you do, don't talk about it. Okay, you don't
talk about it. It's completely off limits. You do not
remote view the Moon. And I was actually trained by
people or person who might have had some military training.
Let's just say, okay, not to get into details. I
don't know the details, okay, but but it was you know,

(14:35):
I'm trained in like the NGOs swan methods of remote viewing,
and and he's he's remote viewed the Moon and he's
written a book about it called Penetration. Okay. And I
was actually tasked with a remote viewing target of the
Apollo eleven moon landing. And I was set to do.

(14:56):
I have a YouTube channel, and I wasn't going to
do it a show on it, and I knew that
I wasn't supposed to remote view the moon and talk
about it, but I had just had gotten too comfortable
and everything I was doing was real comfortable, and I decided,
you know, and I got some weird data on it,
some really strange. These are blind targets. I don't know
what they are. When I found out what it was,
I was like, Oh, we're gonna go ahead and we'll

(15:17):
talk about it live on air. In about two hours
before my show, I had a the proverbial knock at
my door. I was told to keep my mouth shut
about it, and I kind of gott it was. I
wasn't like threatened or anything like that. I took it
as a courtesy, actually, did you know? Because I was

(15:39):
told that there are people watching and I needed to
really be careful what I did and what I said.
And I went on with that show and I talked
about it, but I did not disclose all the data
because remote viewing is all about data. But it was
very odd, okay, and it was the Apollo eleven moon landing.
I do remote viewing targets all the time. I remote

(16:00):
viewed even the missing people out of our national parks,
those clusters. I've remote viewed suspected cryptied attacks. I've remote
viewed all sorts of stuff, and I've never had that
proverbial knock at my door. The only time I've been
doing this for years, the only time was the Apollo
eleven moon lending, And so I just wanted to distress
that tonight. I think that that's important, and I think

(16:24):
it speaks volumes without really saying anything. So there's anomalies
there for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, that is interesting, Mark, Sergeant, do you have any
comments regarding what Jessica Jones just told us?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Oh, I'm intrigued as hell. That's awesome. You know, I
don't get a chance to talk to a lot of
remote viewers. I have talked to a few over the years,
most of them, you know, been earth bound. Of course,
didn't even occur to me that the Moon might be
off limits. But knowing what I know, yeah, of course,
because the Americans. You know, one of the most suspicious

(17:04):
things of all is that, you know, did the Americans
go to the moon, because no one else has even tried,
and the Americans supposedly went six times without a problem,
and then shut the whole thing down. In nineteen seventy
two is said, we.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Don't let's just stop this, uh huh yeah, And I'll
make a joke. There seems to be no century twenty one.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Flag right on the moon, right we should have been,
I mean, and the space race ended also simultaneously. I've
never seen so much hype to end with nothing, which
was people forget. There was a term called cosmonauts, which
was the Americans had astronauts and the Soviet Union had cosmonauts,
and it was this neck and neck race. You can

(17:45):
go on Google anytime and type in the space race
and click on images. You'll see Time magazine. You know,
Russia and America head and had I've never seen anything
where one side gets there and the other side just
walks off the field. Where you know, the Americans got
there and the Russians like, well, we don't need to
do anything more to shut it all down. It's like

(18:05):
what why? You know? It should have been we put
a small base, they put a bigger base. And then
the next thing you know, Time magazine runs a story says,
has the Cold War reached the Moon? But I know
why it didn't happen, which was you cannot and this
same thing with Hollywood. You cannot have two different studios
in two different places of the world run the exact

(18:27):
same production and hope that there's you know, the continuity
will be perfect. It never happens. We can't even get
a studio to do it on their own. That's why
you can go to places like moviemistakes dot com. Because movies,
for those of you who don't know, are shot chronologically
out of order. Right. You shoot all the desert scenes
in one week. You shoot all this, you know, all
the scenes in chunks to save money, and then if

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you have to go back and do reshoots, you have
to make sure that everything's perfect like it was. It's
never perfect. So the Russians were asked politely too. It's like, yeah,
we got this, we got the money, we got private industry,
we can, we can run films all day, we can
we can handle this, and the Russians just back down
and that was and that was it. It was intriguing
because people don't talk about it. I just love it.

(19:10):
The Space Race is just a forgotten thing now.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
You are correct, the Space Race is no longer right,
And Jessica, do you remember the Space race because you're
you know, Mark and I are a bit older.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
She's not even remotely old enough.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm just I'm just maybe I'm just a few years
younger than you guys. Okay, and I do, I was,
it was little before my time. But I know exactly
what it is, of course I do.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
There's just so many anomalies. But you know, even to
this day, I work with people doing doing research and
stuff with people who claim to be part of the
secret space programs that we have today and these black,
black budget programs and stuff like that, so you know,
there's there's a whole lot of anomal He's going on
a lot of stuff we don't all understand. But it's

(20:04):
almost like and I don't know if it's okay, I
guess I can say this on air, like syops on
top of syops, on top of syops. Okay, that is
all I can say. It's like a big old tangled
web of syops. And I don't even think that we
know the truth about a lot of any of this stuff.
I mean, it could be right in front of our faces,
but just too many syops.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, okay, I want to jump from your comment there
to tonight's topic, which is Antarctica, one of the truly
one of the most remote places on Earth. And I've
always been interested in Antarctica. There are so many legends,

(20:51):
from the Germans in World War Two, to pyramids to
all kinds of stuff. I mean, I just love the
legend and the lore of Antarctica. And I would like
to start tonight's discussion with a very strange story, if

(21:11):
I may. It used to be before the Internet that
the single most valuable knowledge resource was the Encyclopedia Britannica. Mark,
do you remember the.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Britannica absolutely how to set myself?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Now?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now, Jessica, do you remember how the Encyclopedia Britannica's that
was the goal, that was the greatest resource of knowledge
in the world. Do you remember that?

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I have sets of those that belong to my
grandfather and I actually was awarded a I was awarded
a set when I was in elementary school for winning
the county wide storytelling contest. Okay, so yes, I know
what they are.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I had a storytelling contest. That's beautiful. I love it.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, yes I was. I'll tell you what the Britannica
is is the is the gold seal of knowledge. And
I have a page out of the nineteen fifty eight
Encyclopredia Britannica which talks about Antarctica, and it talks about

(22:30):
the firmament. Now, the firmament, for those that do not know,
is the idea that there is a cap over the earth.
And it says in one version it says the firmament
is thirteen thousand feet and in one version of the

(22:53):
Encyclopedia Britannica it says that the firmament is three hundred
and three thousand feet above the earth, but that there
is a firmament, there is a cap over the earth.
And when I saw this, and a very good friend
of mine, who is the number two guy of Muffon

(23:16):
in Alabama, a great guy. I won't mention his name,
but he sent me a copy of that particular page,
and it is just chilling that it says there is
a firmament, there is a top to the entire world. Okay,

(23:37):
that's nineteen fifty eight. The next printing of Encyclopedia Britannica
was nineteen sixty one. Now, what happened between nineteen fifty
eight and nineteen sixty one In July one of nineteen
fifty eight through December one, I'm sorry, number thirty first

(24:01):
of nineteen fifty nine. That was the International geof Physical Year.
Very important thing that happened. That's when one hundred and
thirty some countries went down to Antarctica and explored Antarctica. Well,
in the nineteen sixty one edition of Encyclopedia Britannica, the

(24:28):
idea of the firmament is gone. It's gone, absolutely, it's gone.
It's a whole new article. Now my question is, what
in the hell, pardon my grammar, What in the hell
happened to change all of this Between nineteen fifty eight

(24:50):
and nineteen sixty one and fifty eight we were in
the middle of the space race. What did they find
out that changed? Being Encyclopedia Britannica, what happened? So that
starts our conversation for tonight because that is the single

(25:11):
most amazing thing in the world that the world view
of Antarctica and the ceiling above the Earth changed. Now,
there is also a statement made by doctor Van Allen,

(25:33):
and doctor Van Allen said, well, we've got a problem
with space, with the space race and going up there,
because we have this radiation belt, and everybody said, and
they were at the United Nations when he talked about it,
they said, well, what are you talking about. Well, the
radiation is so high that astronauts cannot get through the

(25:56):
radiation belt to get out of the app atmosphere. So
he what he talked about was the Van Allen radiation
built the one thing that seems to be impenetrable. And
it's like, and I always give this example. Mark, you've
heard me say this, and maybe Jessica you have too.

(26:17):
It's like you've got a nineteen fifty seven Cadillac and
you've got aluminum foil. You're wrapped in a in a
suit of aluminum foil, and you're trying to go through
all this radiation without dying. You can't do that. I

(26:38):
will leave it at that. The first person I will
ask to comment on this story is the great remote viewer,
Jessica Jones. What do you have to say about this?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh, Myra, I've never remote viewed this. Okay, I've never
remove viewed it, so I don't I'm not an expert.
I don't know. I'm not an expert on anything, by
the way, but I find there's a lot of anomalies
in all of this for sure. And I mean I
literally feel like I've been radiated, like in a microwave
on Saturday night. I felt like I got microwaved. I

(27:13):
really did down here. And I know how dangerous radiation is.
You know, we encounter a lot of radiation out in
the field when we're doing our big Foot field research.
I have two teammates who unfortunately have passed away. We
believe that them encountering what we consider to be a
portal that we've documented out in the field at some
point might have led to them getting very sick and

(27:35):
both of them passing away. It was the radiator. You know,
we had spikes and radiation a lot, and we're out
there doing having like supernatural paranormal stuff happening out there.
Radiation is that you're not going to make it through
that radiation, Like you're not going to survive that. So
I don't know the Okay, so the way the methods

(27:57):
of like how we've been shown how people have humans
have been put into space and stuff, I just I
don't know if that if they can go through that
in a rocket ship. Okay, I just don't think that's
I'm not sure that's possible if they're going to outer space,
if there's an outer space here and it's in even
if I see, because I don't know, Like I said,

(28:19):
I'm not I'm not an expert, but I would assume
that they're going not in rocket ships. They'd be going
through portals and rips and space and time and stuff.
There's like devices, but I don't know, Okay, I don't know.
I have the remote viewing on that kind of stuff
actually on Earth's weaponized portals. I've been assigned as a
target before jump gates. I've been jump rooms and things

(28:43):
like that to different places. I've been assigned as remote
viewing targets, but never never the Earth, the firmament and
stuff like that. I haven't been remote. That's not been
a target for me yet.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Right, Okay, Well, thank you very much. The Mark Sergeant,
one of one of my real experts on things like this. Yeah,
what do you have to say about the idea that
the firmament was a thing in nineteen fifty eight and
then it was out of the Encyclopedia Britannica in nineteen
sixty one and all the associated ideas. What do you

(29:19):
think you're because you're you're definitely someone who has thought
about the flat Earth and what is going on with it.
Please tell us I.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Don't believe in coincidences.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I never have.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know. The closest thing to a coincidence, George Carlin,
of course said that no, he was talking about something else.
But coincidence for me would be running into a friend
of yours at the airport not knowing they were going
to be flying somewhere. It's like, oh wow, you're getting
on a flight to it. That's about it. Everything else,
I think it's part of the plan. And between Antarctica

(29:55):
and what I call the firmament, you know, the top
of the snow globe, everything changed in the late nineteen
fifties into the nineteen sixties, meaning there was a particular
year which stands out. And one of our late researchers,
Rob Skiba, was really funny to point it out in
that it's awfully interesting that the Antarctic Treaty, which was

(30:16):
initially put into place in nineteen fifty nine, which says
that no corporation from any country can set up shop
there ever right and won't won't even be up for
review until twenty forty one. It's the only unbroken treaty
in the history of treaties. He's also announced in the
same year, nineteen fifty nine that the Van Allen radiation

(30:36):
belts are declared, which was Van Allen said that, oh yeah,
you probably should never ever go up there. It's super deadly.
And then Kennedy of course pushed forward and screwed the
whole thing up in nineteen sixty. You know though, you know,
we chose to go to the moon this decade and
do the other thing. You know that that famous speech,
and they had to go back to Van Allen, and
the media was you know, I was like, all right,

(30:58):
how are you going to do it? And he's going, well,
we're gonna go real fast, and which is a nice
idea in theory, but you've already said that the belts
are up to sixty thousand miles thick, right, you know,
it's like a donut around the world. And on top
of that, as Jessica was saying, like radiation it's super deadly,
no one would ever argue that, you know, try to

(31:18):
go into a dentist chair and when they're gonna take
an X ray of you, which is just a fraction
of a second, they put that lead blanket on you, right,
try to see if you can get away with that
without the lead blanket. They're not gonna let you. Right,
there's only three things out there that can stop radiation
right now. One is lead, right cheap. One is gold,
which is twice as dense as lead, but super super expensive,

(31:40):
especially now so no one's using that. And a whole
bunch of water, which they use in power plants, you know,
atomic reactors, that sort of thing, and all those things
are really really heavy. Well, if you know anyone in aerodynamics,
you know anyone that has to do with engineering of
aircraft or spacecraft, that's the last thing you do. You
don't put an anchor on the top of a rocket

(32:01):
or the nose of a plane. Aircraft and all spacecraft
they're made out of aluminum and plastic. And yet, knowing this, right,
they supposedly went through the Van Allen Belts and went
through multiple times. The Americans went we six round trips
there and back, and nobody died, nobody got radiation poisoning,
nobody even got cancer. I think as of today, twenty

(32:23):
twenty end of twenty twenty four, I think there's like
four of these guys still walking around, right, the original guys,
they all died of natural causes. How how did that happen?
No one wants to talk about it. It's fascinating to me.
No one wants to talk about the fact that the
American space program went without shielding still to this day.
In fact, if you think, sorry, one more thing, I know,

(32:43):
I go off on tangents. But there's a wonderful little video.
You can look it up. It's called a Ryan Trial
by Fire. O Ryan, of course is the Mars program,
the American Mars program, which is not going anywhere. You
can go on YouTube type in a Ryan Trial by Fire.
There's a wonderful little video talking about how they can't
even and test capsules for the Orion program because they

(33:04):
haven't solved the radiation problem. And this video was made
in twenty fourteen, and it's like, what do you mean
you haven't solved the radiation problem. You solved it. You
solved it perfectly in the nineteen sixties. In fact, it
was flawless. No one even got remotely injured. What happened?
And again, the NASA has huge continuity errors. They make

(33:25):
production errors all the time. But the general public, because
they're so hopeful, and our education system, especially in America. Sorry,
one more thing, especially in America, we don't teach anything
about mathematics, and we don't teach anything about physics, and
so when people get out of high school, it's like, honestly,
it's almost like it's like, well, you know, as long
as we can get them, they can drive a car.
Forget about the rest of the stuff. They're going to

(33:46):
forget the rest of that stuff. Anyway. What blew my
mind was when I was doing speaking stuff in other
countries and I was saying, hey, you people in I
don't know, Stockholm, Sweden, right, big room of people, why
do you think the America went to the moon? Right?
It's like, I know why we think, you know, all
the people in this room right here, why we think
it's you know, raw raw wave flag go team. It's

(34:08):
a matter of national pride. Why do people outside this country?
And they all tell me the same thing. They say, well,
it was on television, and you're new, you would never
lie about something like that. And I smile and I go, really,
then you don't know us at all. I go, we're
that good that you don't even think that the American

(34:30):
media would lie to you. It's like, come on, give
me a break anyway. Sorry, it's my little tangent.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, you know, I kind of questioned why all of
the astronauts who were a part of the Apollo would
live in moonlanding have Hollywood stars on the Walk of Fame.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, why yeah, they're they're there. And one more thing,
which is I feel bad because all the Apollo astronauts
ended up being reck closes. You know, they dove into
bottom of whiskey, and they rarely made public appearances. And
I think guilt is really weighs on you when you're

(35:10):
not expecting credit and accolades for things you haven't done.
Imagine being in a parade down, you know, down the
main streets in New York for something you didn't do,
and then cutting ribbons at elementary schools with your name
on it, and that goes on for years, right, I mean, yeah,
of course, you know, you want to believe in the line,

(35:30):
you want to do your part for your country. And honestly,
I don't even blame America for for doing this. Of
course there was an ulterior motive, but the motivation was
really high. And I remember after World War Two, we
were the shining beacon on the hill. We were legendary
and there was It was a good move, which was,
oh hey, why you know something a caesar didn't even

(35:51):
do during the Roman Empire, which is like, hey, let's
say we went to the moon. Did we go to
the moon? Are we going?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
No? It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
They're going to believe it. So we did. But it
just did age well. Unfortunately, the pictures aged horribly, the
video aged really really badly, and the Internet, which I
think was anticipated to some degree. You know, all it
takes is a nerd in his underwear Nebraska at three
am one night. It's like, hey, you know, staring at

(36:16):
the screen going that doesn't look right. And if you
think all it takes is one, you know it takes
more than one guy. I'll give you one more thing
really quick. One of the things I like to point out,
which was the original Lord of the Rings movie, right
made it all the way to the theaters, and in
the first release in the theaters, when the Hobbits are
leaving the shire, there's a road with a white car

(36:38):
driving off in the upper right hand corner, and nobody
caught it. You know how many thousands of people probably
watched the rough cuts of that film. Everyone's staring at
the Hobbits. No one's staring up in that corner. And
then all of a sudden, go to theaters, some guy
munching his popcorn drops something. His head goes up looking
in the wrong direction. Is that that shouldn't be there?
So yeah, it's it's tough, so wouldn't sorry, last last

(37:00):
thing along those lines, when people come to me and
they they say, you know, could you fake the moonlight?
I go, you could back a dump truck with a
trillion dollars up to get that truck out of here,
because all it takes is your weakest link to screw
it up. And then because of the Internet, it's out
there forever. Unfortunately, because of how things, how fast things

(37:20):
travel through the Internet, you couldn't make a mistake and
try to bury it completely. There's gonna be copies out there,
which is why everyone records everything.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Anyway, Can I can I just say something really quickly too,
because I think this is really interesting And I did
a show not too long ago on the Challenger explosion
as well. Sure, and some people, I mean, there's evidence
of those astronauts actually being alive today.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, we were. It was true. Yeah, absolutely, I'm sorry.
I didn't want to cut you off real quick. But
it was my circles that, in fact, one of our
guys went to one of their houses just years ago
and and we trying to grill this guy and sorry,
I gotta get this out really fast, which was when
when they got up to him. What it killed me

(38:07):
was it's like, yeah, I've heard this, but and you know,
he say things like yeah, I've heard I've looked like
this guy my entire life. It's like, wow, that's pretty
interesting because you're not twins. But what killed me was
he never gave the alibi. Everybody knows if you're being
accused of something, you should immediately jump to No, I
wasn't there in the bank robbing the place. I was
over here doing this. He should have said, hey, in

(38:29):
nineteen eighty six, because that's the one you're talking about,
right in nineteen eighty six, I was doing blah blah
blah in a completely different part of the country. Never
said it, he never figured sorry anyway, It didn't mean
to cutch off there.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
No, you didn't cut me off.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I can't help but think about that isn't it, because
that really shaped my life. I was in elementary school
and that happened, and I don't I do believe. I
stayed home from school that day for some reason, and
my sister was there. She was younger than me, nineteen
eighty six. I would have been almost ten. Okay, that's
how old I am. Yeah, And so I remember that happening,
and that was the first time I ever saw anyone

(39:05):
die in real time, right, And I knew that, you know,
I was told that those people had all died, and
it really changed my view on life in general. And
it was really wild because they actually had all the
children at all the schools watching that because the teacher
was on board, and so it was just extremely traumatizing
for all the children in America. Okay, all the children

(39:26):
that was that was a horrible If that was a
let's just say syop, let's just say something that was
used to control the masses in some way, that's really dirty. Okay,
that's really dirty, and and rip God rest their souls.
If that was not a syg that really happened. According
to what I remember, it did happen, But now I'm

(39:46):
seeing evidence that it might not there's I think something exploded,
but I don't. I'm not sure those people.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Really exactly it blew up. Oh no, it was a
big fireworks show to no question, and it was brilliant
in that. I mean, yes, it's mean to tell people
that somebody died if they didn't die, of course, I mean,
come on, it's not the first time it happens. But
at the same time, you slow down the space program again,
you know, that's one of the big keys here is

(40:11):
slow everything down. We don't want to get ahead of ourselves.
And now, of course, the Space Shuttle program, a lot
of people don't know. It's not even there anymore. We
don't even use that and it was never replaced in anything.
What was amazing was when the Internet started ramping up,
people started comparing photos and now, of course you can
do face recognition searches, and we were doing this stuff
even beforehand, and they found that there were duplicate people.

(40:33):
You've seen the stuff yourself, where there's duplicate people in
positions of either corporate leadership or university teaching leaderships with
the exact same name or using their middle names. They
look very very similar, and their facial structure That's the key.
These people weren't you know, really really they didn't have
ordinary faces. At Hollywood when you try to age faces,

(40:56):
they'd never gotten it right. We have a hard time.
We were actually better at learning people younger in Hollywood
then older. And these people when you start comparing them
to the older versions they're supposed to walking around, it's like, yeah,
that's exactly what their facial structure would look like. It's like, yeah,
that's what they'd look like during their fortieth high school reunion.
No question.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
People get upset over over my show. And they were saying, well,
those are they have twins? They have twins. How would
you like it if you got to accuse those are?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
You?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
You have children, Your children know that you know that
their children know that their parents died and that stuff.
And you know, it was almost as polarizing as the
flat Earth show that I did. Okayla is the most
polarizing topic that I have ever covered in all of
my days.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And why by the way, and I have seen question Yeah, well,
I mean I know, but I mean it's I mean,
does you could be talking about blue team, you know,
Democrat versus Republican, abortion versus not abortion? Who which is
the one true religion, and it's still not going to
generate the level of vitriol, the let level of teeth

(42:01):
gnashing that flat earth does. And that is simply because
of the conditioning that we all get and more in school,
Like like John was saying, where we see the globe
in the classroom. It's brilliant, right, it's the only thing
we debunk to children. It's like, oh, the teacher might
not even mention it sometimes, you know, we used to
think it's flat. Now spin spin, spin, Look way, we

(42:21):
got this globe and then they put it in the
corner under the American flag usually, and you never talk
about it again. Kids can grab it whenever they want,
they spend it, they're not encouraged. It doesn't make a difference.
It's just sitting in your classroom for at least twelve years.
And I try to equate it to think about this,
the American flag also in your classroom in most places, right,
stating up there there are people that join the military

(42:43):
partially because the flag's been in their room for twelve years. Right,
It's like, hey, oh that's that's my flag, that's where
I live. I'm going to join up and try to
defend it. Right, Oh hey, look what's that blow it?
That's the globe. That's where I live. I'm willing to
defend it and ridicule other people why there's no reason
it's just burned into your head. Sorry, one more, I'll
throw it at to you. John knows this, but you

(43:03):
may not. It's a it's a quote I put in
every video that I do in the description box, and
that is George Orwell, you know, nineteen eighty four. He
wrote this interesting thing back in the in nineteen forty six.
He was taking He's not a flat earther, but he
was talking about how people believe not just questions in
a you know, people in authority, but scientists. You know.

(43:23):
So if you are perceived smarter, you know, if you're
wearing a lab coat usually it's just a lab coat,
then then you're smarter than me, right, and you're gonna
believe what he says. And he's talking about how science
just gets away with murder because people just believe what
science says. And so he goes if you walk out
on the street and you ask people, they know how
they know it's a globe. They just laugh at you
and they say we talk about it. It's a known thing.

(43:47):
It's a globe. And then you push him on it, right,
and you say, how do you know? And then the
gears start grinding, because then all of a sudden they
realize it's not that they know. They've never seen it.
They don't have a spaceship, you know, flying car that
they were told. Even more interesting was he wrote that
in nineteen forty six, and now so it wasn't even
founded until nineteen fifty eight. How did everybody in the

(44:08):
world know in nineteen forty six it was a globe,
but there was no space program. They were told and they,
you know, the group think the herd mentality, you know,
that person's father and that person's father going up the
family tree. It's not so I don't feel bad, you know.
People is like, oh that they're hard themselves. I can't
believe I fell for it. It's like you were born
into it. You had no choice. I was like, where

(44:31):
were you gonna go against the grain? Come on? The
peer pressure is the most powerful social motivator we have anyway.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Very well put, Mark, very well put.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I was a victim of it when I was in
the second grade in Missus Garrison's class. And by the way,
it was in the back of the room. And guess
what was above it? The American flag. Yeah, yeah, very
very well put. And as Jessica said a little earlier

(45:07):
one time, I hope I'm not going to get a
knock on my door. But it's just.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Are we gonna or are we going to be allowed
to talk? Are you guys gonna talk about the what
we were talking about just before the show, about the
about the looking at Antarctica.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yes, we are. We're just now getting to it.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Okay, Uh, we're gonna By the way, again, I love
I love this whole part because I've never heard it before.
I've never heard of something like this. Reminds me of
your moon thing you were telling me about, but I
want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Okay, Well, then at that point we will move forward
with part two of Antarctica. All right, what is Antarctica?
It's like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta come up
with a way to segue what is Antarctica?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Jessica as a content it it's a mysterious consonant down
on and I say it's mysterious because not a lot
of people are allowed to go there, right, But it's
down at the south pole. It's a very large continant.
We're told it's all Ice. That's what we're told. I
don't know. I've seen some anomalies with that too. It

(46:18):
might not be all ice, but they say that back.
I'm gonna stay during Schmidler. We say Schmidler, okay on YouTube.
The let's say, is it the third Raach? I guess,
I don't know if he's third or four Hens it's third.
U down there and put some put some bases down there.
Allegedly there are some ancient civilizations that lived, you know,

(46:41):
that prospered and lived there, probably millions of years ago
for all I know. But but the Schmatzies is I
like to call him, went down there and put some
some basses. It's only because of my my YouTube channel,
you know, That's why I say those things. I got
you you know how it goes censorship and all. So

(47:04):
they went down and put some secret bases down there.
UFO basis and stuff is what is what some people say.
I believe that could be true. I just had a
friend of my name, Brad Olsen on my show who's
actually been to Antarctica at least once, maybe twice. He's
been down there and did did a whole lot of

(47:24):
research down there and spent a lot of time down there.
We talked about it, things like the pyramids had been
found down there, secret programs and things like that, and
like Mark was mentioning earlier, there's an Antarctica treaty that
was signed.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I forgot what year it was, but initially initially nineteen
fifty nine, but every country that comes online as an
economic power immediately has to sign it.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I think it was actually nineteen sixty because the end
of the the end of the International geophiscal Que December thirty,
first fifty nine, so I think it was like in
the first part of sixty And that's what I think
is they all signed it, so, you know, not trying
to U surf n but I think that's what happened. Okay, yeah, okay,

(48:18):
all right, Jessica, So you've told us what you think
Antarctica is, Mark, what is Antarctica.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
If you believe mainstream Antarctica is a snowy continent a
little bigger than Australia that supposedly sits at the bottom
of the world, even though it is unusual in so
many ways. One, it's the most expensive place to go
in the world to I think it's pushing thirty five
grand American a person. I know this because we just
sent three people down there recently just to look at

(48:49):
the sun, which was silly. It is also the highest
continent in the world. The average height of the entire
continent is pushing fourteen thousand feet, which is way way
higher than the average of anywhere else. Remember altitude kicks
in at about seven thousand feet half that. And it
was the other thing about it that caught my eye.

(49:10):
It was there's no animal life except for penguins on
the coast, no plant life, no remnants supposedly a population.
There's only supposedly like five thousand people at any given time,
either military or military scientists. But we know there's bases
down there, one because of an accident. There's a video
on my channel about it. If you guys know what
fitbit is, you know those wristwatches that measure your exercise activity.

(49:33):
A few years when fitbit was firing up, they were
using as a selling point. You could see where other
people were exercising in different parts in your city and
town and state and whatever. The problem was that military
people were wearing this and they were basically just tiny
little GPS systems, and so you could go online and
you could see where people, Oh, look there's a military
base next to my house, and these people are exercising,

(49:54):
you know, they're you know, they're doing whatever. But the
thing was they were showing bases that weren't on the maps,
including bases in the middle of the deserts in America,
you know, with no roads going to them, which was interesting.
And of course places in Antarctica where the people were
exercising in the middle of areas that there was supposedly
nothing there. So yeah, Antarctica is and sorry, one last thing,

(50:17):
which is Antarctica is is going to be forever a
mystery to me because the UN flag it's not on there.
It shows all the continents, but it doesn't show Antarctica.
And instead of Antarctica, it's like, okay, first off, Wigilia,
leave off an entire continents on the UN flag, but
instead of Antarctica, there is this Greco Roman reef giant

(50:39):
that surrounds the world, and it's like, that's super interesting
since we think it's you know that Antarctica stretches around
the world and it's basically just the inside of a
snow globe, or as Shakespeare used to say, all the
worlds of stage. There you go, the end.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Okay, Now my data makes sense then, because I was
trying to figure out why I wasn't signed to TART
a remote viewing target of the ice wall, and I
literally wrote down Antarctica in my data. So that's wild.
That would so that the ice wall is Antarctica?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Right? Is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay? Interesting? Interesting? Okay? Wow?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
All right, So so Jessica, why do you say this
is interesting? I'd like a little follow up on this.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I actually so when I when I talked about the
ice wall, I don't know a lot about any of this.
I don't know hardly anything about any of this. I
know that I've talked about Antarctica quite a bit with
people who've actually been to Antarctica that know a lot
more about it than I do. I I did a
show a while back on flat Earth, and I did
not state my opinion either way as to what I believe. Okay,

(51:53):
and neither did I guess we didn't. We were just
putting it all out there with different theories and showing
different types of maps and things like that, and it
was a wonderful informative show. I really enjoyed it. I learned.
I love learning about it. I've always been in the
globe camp, you know, but I'm always open to things,
to learning new things and changing my mind. Now at
this point, honestly, I'm so such an open minded person.

(52:15):
I mean, I think we could live in some kind
of simulation. We don't live on anything, you know, we
live in I live in alternate reality most of the
time anyways, you know, parallel universe from everybody else. But
but nonetheless, we did a show on that, and that
was the first time I learned about an ice wall.
I never heard about the ice wall, but I thought

(52:35):
the ice wall was separate from Antarctica. I thought that
was something different.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Well, it depends who you talk to. So initially, the
coastline of antarcticas remember there's a lot of ice on Antarctica,
huge amounts. If you're traveling by boat, the first thing
you're gonna see when you pull up that to Antarctica
is the ice. And it starts, you know, at sea level,
and it goes up at least the coastline in most
of the areas is like a couple hundred feet to

(53:00):
where the boats that park alongside it have to use
cranes unless you found a beachhead somewhere. You know, with
actual rock you have to lift have cranes lift your
stuff up up onto the ice, you know, higher than
your ship. However, that so that would be the physical
coastline of Antarctica. That's what when you see pictures of
people say, oh to the ice wall, That's what it is. However,

(53:22):
Antarctica as a continent acts like a big ice barrier
that keeps all the water in right. So if this
is a pond, you know, why doesn't water come fall
out of a pond? Well, because it's surrounded by higher
land all the way around. People don't get It's like, look,
Antarctica is fourteen thousand feet minimum, you know. You know

(53:43):
when you get up to you know, it slopes up
and it goes to fourteen thousand feet and most of
it sits at fourteen thousand feet, which would be the
perfect barrier for any water. You know, it doesn't matter
how much sloshing around. You can have a huge tsunami,
it's not gonna make it a dent. Down in Antarctica.
So when they talk about the ice wall, there's the
visible one you see in picture is but that's really
just the coastline of Antarctica. Antarctica as a continent is

(54:04):
the ice wall.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Okay, well that makes all the sense. My my data
makes sense now because my my target was just the
ice wall. And so I'm remote viewing whatever the ice
wall is. And I literally wrote down land masks what
I was seeing in These are like coordinate targets. Okay,
so I'm giving coordinates. I just I wrote down continent.

(54:29):
Do you want to talk about the data, John, we
kind of going there.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I have not that is your domain?

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Okay, all right, Well, well I was tasked with this
remote viewing target of the ice wall, and uh and
I will go over some of my sensory data. So
I made me to explain what remote viewing is to
people who are listening right now, and so I do something.
There are a lot of people who say they do
remote viewing, and I've learned that not everybody does remote

(55:00):
viewing like I do remote viewing because I'm not just
psychically looking into something. I have actually been trained for
years and different modes of energetic remote viewing, enhanced remote viewing,
coordinate remote viewing, all these different types of remote viewing
that our military uses. And so it is a scientific

(55:21):
process where I map out given a set of its
usually blind coordinates. Okay, I get a set of numbers,
and I write those numbers down, and I go through.
I have stacks of paper, and I have stages that
I start writing all this data down. When I write
down those coordinates, all this information we call it data

(55:42):
starts floating in. I started getting sensory data and analytic
and I started doing like analytic overlay information, and I
go page after page with this data. When just I'm
just giving these targets. Okay, and so that's what remote
viewing is. Okay, this is what I did with This
is a This is a coordinate remote viewing target. The

(56:02):
target was the ice wall. Okay. Now I was picking
up on something huge. Okay. When I got into this target,
it was cold, massive. I actually was seeing blues like
I write down colors or any kind of anything that
I'm sensing it was. It was definitely cold. It was
in a very cold place. I was picking up on

(56:26):
freezing temperature. Something that was just massive and cold and
I kept getting out like hidden and hiding types of
data on this well. For my analytic overley, I did
pick up on something that was like a big land mass.
I was picking up on sound frequencies and tones. I
wrote down a continent. Okay, so the ice wall. I
was like, I don't think the ice wall is a continent.

(56:47):
When I when I've got this target, but I picked
up on I wrote down optics. These are the things
that I wrote down optics, optical illusion, congruent mass tone,
sound frequency, continent, continental shelf, hidden truth, hidden history, valid

(57:09):
validate Antarctica. Something I wrote down Bermuda triangle. Something that
I also wrote down, I wrote Bermuda triangle. And and
for my stage three sketch, I actually drew what looks
like a pyramid. Okay, so it's like something triangular. That's
just me, you know, I always always draw a sketch
with every target, okay. And I picked up on a

(57:35):
pyramid or pyramids and something that was triangular, very dense
and thick. I was picking up on advanced race. I
wrote advanced races, advanced civilizations. Secrets. I just wrote secrets,
cover up. I wrote down uh Argatha or Agatha. I

(57:55):
wrote Argatha, I wrote, how did I spell?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
I spilled it wrong?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I must have what I says argas that I don't
know if that's how you pronounce it. So I was
definitely there in that area. But I but I heard
clear audiently while I was remote viewing. Not a syop.
Not a syop. That's why i'd mentioned that when I
don't know if we were live on the show, I
think I think it was before we went live. I said,
it sounds like this place is like a siap. There's

(58:19):
like it's not a sip, but there's syops on top
of syops, so like it just keeps everybody so confused.
And that is exactly what I got in this target.
It's like, that's why I said that, because it seems
as though it's not I don't think the flatter thing
is a syop. But but there's so many things that
are thrown at us. Everything's a syop on top of
a syop.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So how are we to ever know?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
You know?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
So?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
But but I also felt like I didn't get a
lot of data on this because I was being blocked out,
and that happens occasionally, not this is one of the
very few targets where I just could not. I felt
like I was beating my head against the wall trying
to get data out of these these numbers because I
was being blocked so nice.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I can always go back in.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
We could try it again with the front learned target here.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
But did you ever and this is for this is
for you, Jessica. Did you ever see the movie Push?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Watch it you, of all people, it is it is
is movie with I'm not gonna tell you who's in it.
Watch this movie. In fact, it was from let me
look it up really fast. You write me down totally
and I'll tell you movie two thousand.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
And nine.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Nine. Watch it. I think you can find it anywhere.
It's on It's on Amazon, it's on Netflix. But the
reason is is because there is something in it. It's
about a lot of people with abilities, and there's people
with remote viewers as its basically it's super paranormal. You know,
some superhero people, but it was a lot of it
was mental abilities, and they countered remote viewers with blockers,

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people's who dedicated job was. If you didn't want to
be tracked by remote viewers, you hired a blocker to
be with you, and they would shield you or a
small area from whoever you know. And so like when
somebody's trying to find it's like you can't see him.
Something something stopping. They've got somebody. So if you get

(01:00:22):
a chance watch it, I think you'll be intrigued by it.
So it would not surprise me. I don't think it
surprised you either that if the United States government or
whoever wanted to stop people from looking in any capacity
too closely at Antarctica, that is one of the places
that you would make sure that there were people down

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there that their job, that's all they do, is do that.
And if you had them run them, I mean I
would if it was me again, if I worked for
an agency, I would run them in shifts, overlapping, tandem
shifts to up to make sure that nobody got too curious.
So intriguing love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You know that it happened sometimes and and so it
can be really dangerous when I get blind targets, okay,
And that's why I don't take targets from anyone. People
who give me targets, they have to be trained in
remote viewing in some in some form. These types of
remote viewing that I do, okay, because I've been noticing
a lot of people on YouTube or like I'm a

(01:01:21):
remote viewer and I have a remote view this. They're
not really remote viewing, not by my terms, okay, as
far as the training goes. But the people who have
trained with me and the person who taught me, I
do take targets from them, A lot of them. I
don't even know what my targets are, Okay, I never
get like, I never find out what they are in
the end, I'm not supposed to know with a lot

(01:01:42):
of them. But but there's it's very dangerous and and
you have to trust that these targets are not going
to get you in trouble. They're not going to take
you somewhere send you somewhere you're not supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
And so that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
That's why. And so I know I knew that going
you know, in Arctica area fifty one, the moon, like
all that kind of stuff is very dangerous. So you
got to you gotta you gotta be very cautious before
you do stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Yeah, Unfortunately, Yeah, Groom Lake, that's a tricky one because
everyone knows it's a secret base and everyone wants to
of course, you know, because it's the mystery. It's like, oh,
what's in there. It's like it's a secret, you don't
get to go in there. But since it's in the
middle of the country, you know, it's it's the most
secret public place there is, you know, and everybody knows
the little things, although you know they've done a really

(01:02:31):
wonderful job at keeping keeping the information locked in there. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
The thing about me doing a lot of these targets too,
is that I accidentally stumble upon a lot of underground facilities, sure,
especially at our national parks. And I don't mean to,
but it just it just when I'm there scanning the
place and I'm doing these these viewings, you know, especially
when it comes to ENCRYPTID sightings, bigfoot sightings, dog man

(01:02:57):
sightings and things like that, there's usually get an underground
facility right there underneath where these sightings are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah. Well, one more thing before John steps in there
was you mentioned Blue. You mentioned Blue a couple couple times.
If you get a chance, you can, you know, google
the coastline of Antarctica or Antarctic ice. There are sections
of Antarctic ice that are the size of cities that
are just these layers and layers of the most amazing

(01:03:27):
blue ice you have ever seen in your life. And
it's just gorgeous. And when you see the scope of them,
I mean, I could probably send you a couple of pictures,
but you'll see them when, you know, because you only
get scope when you like see penguins next to them.
It's like the things. It's you're looking at stuff bigger,
you know, single chunks the size of city blocks, and
you're going, wow, this the scope of this place is

(01:03:50):
just freaking massive. And I mean people say, well, you know,
five thousand people is a lot. It's like not for
a country the size of Australia, you know, not for
a land mass at least, even if you believe the
globe that big, five thousand people, that's nothing, that's it.
It's a tiny, tiny, tiny scope of a town.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeam, so wow, Well, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
The question mark because I have lived my whole life
thing in the earth is a globe pain everybody does. Okay,
So if the world is planned, and I think, and
like I said, I think we could live in a
computer simulation for all I know. Okay, So like I
am so one hundred percent open to everything. Is that like,

(01:04:34):
is there a land beyond the ice wall? That's my question.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Well that's just it, and I want let me let
me probe into this really really quickly, because you've mentioned
simulation now a couple of times, and I'm curious why
you would say that, because I come from the computer world.
I come from the tech world. I played video games
for living, I produce video games for living. I know
what we're trying to do. You know the matrix. For me,
it's like, oh yeah, we absolutely want to do that.

(01:04:58):
It's probably not going to happen because of health reasons.
You know, you're not going to allow people to jack
in into their brain. You know. It's just one of
those things. However, when it comes to I'll mention this
one thing and you'll get this. Look this up if
you get a chance. If you you probably heard of
it in passing of the double slit experiment. It is

(01:05:18):
something in the physics world which we thought was only
physical for a long time, which was there are the
double slit experiment is when you put in two you
put we'll just use the marble marble idea. So you
take a steel plate and you put a slit in
the middle of it and you fire marbles through it.

(01:05:40):
It's like then you see the target on the back wall.
It's like, all right, well, you know what's going to
happen there, right, you know, it's going to just go
through that slit, and the pattern on the wall is
going to be that slit. If you put two slits
in and fire the marbles, you'll get two slits. However,
if you use water on the two slits, what happens
is it's creates interference patterns on the other side, and

(01:06:02):
they interfere with each other and create tons and tons
of different slits and it's like, oh, oh well, that's
kind of cool. What does it mean, Well, it doesn't
really mean anything. What happened was when science got further along,
they had the ability to do it with particle beams
shooting single electrons. Why is science do anything? Who knows? Like, right,

(01:06:23):
let's shoot electrons to this swit? Why? Who knows what
they do? Why they do it? But they were doing
this right, and they were going, oh, yeah, it's going
through the slit's just fine. Here's where it gets weird.
They turn the cameras off. But someone forgot to turn
the electron gone off, and when they look back at
the target, it's spreading like a wave. You probably heard it.

(01:06:46):
You look, you'll you'll run into this. It's like particle
versus wave and it's like wait a minute. Wait, and
then it's like okay, wait, look at it again. And
as they're looking at it, it changes back into the
single the single path, and you're going, wait a minute,
so so get the camera. We're not going to look
and make sure the camera's on. When the camera's on,
it reacts like it's being watched. When the camera's off,

(01:07:10):
it's reacting like it's a probability meaning it's acting like
a cave. So it's like, so the observer just watching
it means that it's changing, and you think, okay, what's
that got to do with anything? What that got to
do with anything is is that when we got into
the computer world and we started building in my world
and we started building simulations, we were doing this without

(01:07:35):
knowing it. Meaning if you've ever played a video game,
and I know girls don't play video games, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
My son's playing them right now right behind the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Does he play like Fortnite and GTA and Minecraft and
all that craft.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
You've just got a PS five from Santa.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yes, yes, yes, Well this is where your mind's gonna
bend a little bit. Right, So, you're looking in a
video game and you look off in the distance. You
see a mountain or whatever, a city, you know, a building.
When you're looking at it, Is there anyone on the
other side of that building?

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Why would there. We're not going to draw it. There's
no one there watching it. There's no observer to the
other side of that building. Furthermore, as you're driving forward,
you're only seeing it's called flashlight graphics. What you see
in front of you is the only thing we're drawing.
It's the only thing that's going to be illuminated to you.
What's behind you isn't even there anymore. It's not there.
It's an illusion. So the question is, then, this is

(01:08:32):
where it comes full circle. The question is, if we're
doing this in video games, right, we're building basically the argument.
You've heard this when you're growing up. If the tree
falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it,
does it make a sound? Well, we didn't know, right,
But I mean that question was asked me in the
seventies right. We now know the answer to that question,
which is, well, no, because there's no tree. There's no

(01:08:54):
one there to watch the tree. Why would there be
a tree at all. The tree hasn't been drawn yet,
the tree is not even built. The tree doesn't show
up until you're there, right. So the question is, if
that's happening in the video game world, why are we
seeing it here? Why is it happening in our world?
And again the science nerds still not don't get it.

(01:09:15):
It's like, you don't understand this thing. Just scream simulation. Sorry,
one more movie for you. I know you haven't seen it.
This will totally get It's based on a nineteen sixty
seven book called Similar chron three. You don't have to
write that down, which was turned into a German movie
in the nineteen seventies called World on a Wire, and
then the Americans did it in the nineties and it's
called The Thirteenth Floor. Watch it. I won't give you

(01:09:37):
any context to it. Watch it, you'll understand, which is
it is. Sorry, to your point, are we leaving in
a simulation? There are things out there that Trust me,
I'm an authority on this. Stream simulation. Absolutely, stream simulation
I'm sorry, one one more thing. I know that John's
like he's gone, well, the show's got off the rails.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
No, no, no, Mark stop, I'm enjoying.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Okay, good, I got one more free You'll like when
you look up something it's a there's a wiki entry
on this, and scientists hate do it bring it up.
It's like, look, no, I'm gonna bring up the stuff.
Science discovers stuff and then they're like regretting it, you know,
like the hundredth monkey effects and crap like that. It's like, nah,
that's a myth. It's like no, no, no, no, you
found it. We didn't make it up. You found it,

(01:10:21):
and now you're trying to like, oh, we didn't find it.
I think it happens in the military all the time.
They probably have werewolves, you know, for all we know
they do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I talk about it the crypt Huntress on YouTube. You'll
hear about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Wouldn't surprise me. And we should talk about we should
talk about crypto zoology before we get off or off
if we have to. So there's a thing you look
up on wiki called neuroscience and free will. It's one
of those wonderful little science experiments. I remember watching a
TV special at least fifteen years ago. So they hook couple,
you know, tape electrodes to somebody's heads, like they always do,

(01:10:54):
and they put you in front of a computer and
they have it's a simple test, right, and they're saying, okay,
pick a number on the screen between one and ten. Right,
You're just gonna hit the keyboard between one and ten.
And note they added a little caveat to it because
they know it's an anomaly in the machine, they said,
because they're gonna measure brain waves, and they're gonna say, okay,
note how long it took you between the time you

(01:11:15):
pick the number and the time you hit the key. Right.
Normally it was instantaneous. It's like, okay, we number one
and ten h four click right, nothing fraction of a second,
if not a second. Now, the computer wasn't sophisticated enough
even to this day. Maybe the military does. We don't.
You know, can't tell you what number you picked, but

(01:11:36):
it could tell that you chose the number eight seconds
before you hit the key. That's a problem because as
you know, it only took me less than a second
to make the decision, which meant that you were going
to choose the number. Before you chose the number, the computer,
the simulation knew you were already gonna do it now.

(01:11:59):
The reason why science is backing way away from this
one is because that brings up a word that they hate,
called predestination, which means it may not only be that
you're in a simulation, but it may not even be
real time, meaning you may be, for lack of a
better word, in a simulated book or simulated movie where

(01:12:23):
the path has already been chosen for you and you
already chose it, which goes into the Matrix movies the
quote that just glosses over everyone misses it, which was
if you remember the Matrix Movies when Neo's talking to
the oracle on the park bench and she goes and
he goes, he goes, I goes, he goes, I can't
make that choice. She goes, You've already made the choice.

(01:12:46):
You're just here to understand why you made it right,
Meaning he's the path was already laid out for him.
And if you watch the movie and you watch it
close that the hero's journey was already set for him,
and he was dictating the entire thing while he was
doing it, so predestination. Is that is that thing? If
you get a chance to look at it, They don't
know how to describe. It's like, look, if the computers

(01:13:07):
already can tell before you even you know the question
is asked to you, the computer can already tell your
mind has committed to making the decision, then that means
either the computer knows time travel and it's looking eight
seconds in the past, or for some reason, there's a
glitch in the in how our brain patterns work, which

(01:13:29):
we can detect but don't know how to do anything. Sorry,
I go off on tangents.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Please don't apologize. This is one of the most interesting
conversations I've had a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
All right, all right, well before.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
It's really interesting conversations. Actually, my shows that I do
on Wednesdays and Mondays are called a glitch in the matrix.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Oh nice, that's nice. I believe in it all the
time that I joke with people. I say that, you know,
it wouldn't surprise me if it was the Mandelta effect,
And they say, in the Mandela effect, Oh, it's really
because I always heard it was the Mandelta effect. Get it,
Because that's the joke. It's it's not the effect, and

(01:14:09):
then I'll throw it in a little later so while
we're on the subject of the of the Mendetta effect,
and they'll be like, wait, meant did I By the way,
I'm a huge believer in the the Mandela effects or
whatever you want to call it, uh for really just
one reason, which is and I promise I'll stop when

(01:14:30):
go back to Mytarctica, which is the James Bond girl,
the little girl in Pigtails, which was if you remember
the James Bond movies, there was a girl in it. Jaws,
the big villain in the seventies with the metal teeth
for instead of normal teeth, he had metal teeth. That
was his hook. Plus he was big and strong. He
runs into a girl accidentally where he's like, it's this

(01:14:52):
little girl, just this innocent Swedish girl with blonde with pigtails,
and she's got braces and she smiles at him and
they have this connection because she's got metal in her mouth,
he's got medal in her mouth. I was like, Oh,
that's cute, and they end up being boyfriend girlfriend for
the rest of the show. The episode was called Moonraaker,
that was the name of the show, and it's like
Oh yeah, I want to look that up. It's a

(01:15:13):
funny little thing. The problem is when you go into
it now and you watch it, she doesn't have braces anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
She stop, Mark stop. She certainly did. I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
She absolutely That's the whole point of the plot, which
is it's like he wouldn't have even given her the
time of day if she didn't have braces. It was
a s nice tender moment and that's why they became
a couple for the movie. And you're like, wait, we're
her freaking braces. They're gone. They're absolutely freaking gone. And
I think that when it comes to Mendel effect, there's
certain things. I mean, most of it is pretty good.

(01:15:48):
You know, they've been pretty slick with it. How how
you know certain things are omitted? But that one, it's like,
oh really, because that's a plot point in the script.
And it's not a small one either, and you let it,
you let it sit there to people nuts, So nice one. Anyway, Sorry,
where are we talking about with the Antarctica? It's a
weird place. I am sorry you were blocked by the

(01:16:09):
way and the continent thing. No wonder you were having
problems because you were looking at it. You were probably
trying to think of it as a as a continence,
like you know, where all the edges were defined like
like Australia, right, But if it's wrapped around everywhere, it
would be overwhelming because you you know, because again it
is a continent technically. I'm sorry. One more thing to

(01:16:32):
answer your question as far as what's outside of it
beyond the ice wall, well, yeah, beyond Antarctica itself. Yeah,
beyond beyond the barrier. It's really only one of two things,
which is it's it's either more there's there's two schools
of time. There's people that think there's more continents like ours.

(01:16:52):
They're just sitting outside there that that are sealed off
from us that we can't get there and they can't
get here for what I think however, you know, then
comes the question it's like, oh, you know all the
spaceships and stuff. Can the space ships get out or
can they travel in and out? I'm going, man, if
it was me, I'd steal this place in because we
you don't want us hitching a ride on one of

(01:17:13):
those things, because God knows, we're not exactly And again,
the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still from the
nineteen fifties, which was the Galactic Federation comes in and says,
you're not doing space travel because you're horrible and we
don't want what's happening down here going out there. It's
this isn't Star Trek where you know it's the ss utopia. No, no, no, no,

(01:17:37):
you guys are awful. You know it's it's really really bad.
The other one would be what I believe that we
are and that this is a school. This is perspective
meaning sorry, I don't want to drag the show out
too much, but let me get this out there, which
is because people will say, you know what at this
point you know the meaning of life type deal, and

(01:17:57):
that is if this world is ninety nine zineo point
nine percent conflict, which I think everyone could agree, is,
you know, the moments of contentment here are so small.
It doesn't matter how beautiful, how powerful, how rich, how
talented you are, you can always complain about something. Everybody does.
The rich want more money, the power want more powerful.

(01:18:18):
The beautiful they're locked into a mirror forever, and the
talented think they're frauds. And really, and most of the
time when you talk to anybody that's tied to any
of the media. I mean, it comes down to timing
more than anything. It's not just who you know, but
when it happened. You know, you catch a break at
the right time, great, you're famous, You miss your window,

(01:18:39):
it's over. It doesn't matter how talented you are. Well,
if people you know, the most people that we envy
on a regular basis, if they're the most you know,
the most abilable people in the world, if they're worrying
as much as the next person, then what's outside of
this world? I believe it's ninety nine point nine percent unlimited,
meaning because I don't think anything's perfect, nor do I

(01:19:01):
think anything forever. I'll throw one more thing out you.
I know that John knows this one because I've talked
about it on various things. Which is the the genie,
It's the Genie machine, which is you've been You've thought
of it. I'm sure at one point or another, you
know Genie. Here, you got a lamp, Robbert, Genie comes out, Hey,
three wishes, But you're smart, So one of your wishes

(01:19:23):
is Jessica, do you get three wishes?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I want all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, think, think clever.
You can wish for anything, including.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
More.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Wish absolutely as grade school logic. Everybody knows. It's like
I just wish for a million wishes. Nobody makes it
to a million wishes. But whatever, So you wish for
exactly you have. You have a wish list, you crank
it up right, you wish for area. Yeah, you're a
rock star, you're a president, You're a princess, you're an
ice skater, you're I'm just picking female things. You date

(01:19:59):
everyone you want to. You have affairs with everyone you
want to have affair with you. You live on a
desert island. You own a desert island. You could do
anything you want, right, You climb them ounta and don't
even have to wear anything but a short sleeve shirt.
You're a superhero. You do all these things. Well, where
does it end? Right? Eventually you run out of ideas.

(01:20:20):
I believe that the universe runs partially on novelty, which
is what's new. It's what we say to everyone, what's new?
I mean, come on, during the pandemic, people were going
insane because they were going through everything that was on Netflix.
I mean they were running out of things to watch.
I was watching. It's like, really, what's happening in Korea
and television nowadays and that sort of stuff. Well, imagine this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
You run.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Let's say you went through ten thousand wishes ballpark it.
What do you do then? Right, you've lived thousands of years? Right,
what do you do? So you go to the genie.
The genie's like looking at his watch, going you're not
gonna make it. And he's like, well, you asked the
genie what can I do? What what you know? He goes, well,
I got a place for you, limited lifespan, one way

(01:21:05):
in a million ways to die. He goes, You're gonna
hate it. It's gonna be awful. It's it's gonna be
just nothing. But it's ninety nine nine percent suffering, trust
me on this. And he's like, why would I want
to go there? Because when you go there, when you
come back, you're gonna appreciate like this, like it's brand
new and you can just start the whole thing over again.
It's gonna be a blast. And and it's like, well,

(01:21:26):
there's a catch, right, of course, there's a catch. I
wouldn't even offer to you if it wasn't a catch.
You're gonna do it. It's like, do I have to
just say it before I know the catches? Yep, what's
the catch? Catches? You're not even gonna remember this conversation?
And he snaps his fingers. Here we are, this is
what we have to do. And knowing this, you can't

(01:21:49):
end it because you know again and I get it,
I understand it. This is what I believe in. You know,
it's that it's not necessarily a reincarnation. It's something else.
You know. It's I understand that you can't have your
cake eat it too. You can't live the life that
you're sitting in right now, know the previous existence and
have this have any meaning whatsoever. If that was the case,

(01:22:09):
people will be jumping off the bridge of the first
sign of trouble. It's like, I gotta be on my
report curve. That's it. You know, they'd be done so,
you know, with some people anyway, the rest who knows.
So anyway, that's that's my long winded off road thing
and completely derail the show. And now John's like ever
having him back on again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
No, No, it's fantastic because I brought up the simulation
stuff in regard to even the ice walk it's all
my fault. Why would it fascinating?

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
It kills me that more people. Again, it's easy for
me because I come from the tech world. I'm a
huge nerd when it comes to that. Again, playing games
for a living that was not But people you don't forget.
I mean, like this year, for example, the Matrix was
twenty five years old. The Matrix movie groundbreaking movie, right,
and it was based on you know, the computer world.

(01:23:05):
Geeks have been writing about this since the nineteen sixties.
People still don't get it, and I think that's delibered.
I think it's part of the system, which is you're
not supposed to understand it. That's part of the gem
of this place is it's every layers and layers and
layers of deception and illusion and simulation. And if we didn't,

(01:23:25):
then this place would fall apart, which, again not to
wax biblical, but why the Tower of Babbel was such
a wonderful story for me, which was the early version
of this place. This place is always apparently in a
work in progress. Story of Babbel was, Hey, I'm gonna
create a perfect civilization, no you know, one language. Everybody's great,
and they're high tech, and all. This was the first

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thing they do. They invent flying cars, and they're like, oh, yeah,
we're gonna build a bridge to the top of the dome. Yeah,
we're gonna go see God, see what he's like. And
that's the end of the story because God's like no, no, no, no,
no no, you know that that this is not going
to work at all. And then he's like, all right,
different languages. And that was the first revision of you know,
if you believe you know that story. I love that

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story because it makes sense, which was, you know, we
start out big and then you know, you make things
more and more diverse. I think at one point that
you know, if you look at the map, the AE map,
let's go back to Antarctica really fast, you notice that
the tip of South America is really close to Antarctica, right,
It's really close. I think the whole thing was connected

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at one point, and that it was. In fact, I
think this because of the book. I'm going to use
a non canonized book of the Bible called Jasher, which
was but basically the part of the story of Enoch, right,
and there was a I think it was the first
part of Jasher. If I don't want to name which chapter.
I think it was three, but whatever, where Jasher was leaving, right,

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he was going to leave the earth. God's you gotta leave.
And he walked off the earth and he walked to
and his fall, and he was going, no one should
follow me, and of course people were following them, you know,
big throngs of people. It's like, don't go because he
was a rock star. So he's walking and walking and
he gets to a park, you guys, you can look
it up if you get a chance, where he gets
to a place of ice and snow and more ice

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and more snow, and they were really good about being
redundant about that. It's like, well, there's only one place
I know of that's permanent ice in snow. I think
he walked off the tip of South America, went to Antarctica,
and of course then and apparently he went to a
place and then was you know, a big light show,
and left and it's the surviving followers had to turn back.

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But it would not surprise me at all if this
place has been in a constant state of revision, which
you know leads into mud floods and ancient civilizations and
crap like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
So yeah, well, doctor John and I have talked about
the mud flood. We did a show together on it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Yeah, in fact, I just hosted another show on mudflood there.
It's fascinating. It's like, what is going on here? Because
it can't happen?

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Well it can't, but can it? I mean, look at
the saying is there's nothing new under the sun?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
And the movie again, I'll throw in one more movie
reference for you. O there, Jessica. Dark City, if you've
never seen it, it came out just before The Matrix.
In fact, coincidentally, because the Matrix was low budget and
they were shot in the same country. They used some
of the same sets from The Dark City in the Matrix.
But the concept was is that there was a city

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of people that a higher race of beings would come
in at night and alter their memories as a whole
and change the city at night, and people would wake
up in a different part of the city with different memories.
Brilliant movie. Well, who's to say, and people think, oh,

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you know, terraforming. You know, all the old civilizations, Machu Picchu,
Puma Punku, the Bosni impyim Is, the real payers whatever
that they were all you know, so many years apart,
and you couldn't make changes on the fly to any
civilization while it was still working. Yeah, you could, however, yes,
as long as techs as the tech was low and on,

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as long as you you know, telegraph was really limited.
You know, the internet definitely wasn't up. Radio and television
wasn't up. Yes, you could make some last minute changes,
you bet you could. You could revamp a city and
the population in it. Who's gonna know? And moreover, who's
gonna tell who? If you don't, if you make sure
the general population their memory is shot, or you know,

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you're just removing the people all together and replace them
with somebody else, it's gonna be fine. The newspapers aren't
gonna reflect it, and how are they gonna talk about it? Anyway?
I'll throw one more in at you. One of the
greatest UFO sidings of all time, in fact, my favorite ever,
and there's a wiki page dedicated to it. In fact,
why people don't talk about it other me, I don't know?

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Is called the fifteen sixty one Nuremberg event.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Oh my good. Oh yeah, you're talking to a guy,
you know, want to talk abouteen sixty one? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, it's brilliant again. The you know, the a beautiful
April sky in Nuremberg, Germany in fifteen sixty one two
Essentially we're flying aircraft carriers came in and just started
hammering on each other with fighters over the city. I
think it was very deliberate. I think it was it

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was a statement for whatever reason, and they were up
there for a full hour. Now, there was no photography
back in fifteen sixty one, but there were sketch artists
and they sketched the whole thing out for the newspaper.
I mean, you know, an hour is a long time.
You can finish your your toast in schnitzen Gluben and
you can go straight to the freaking sketchboard and you

(01:28:54):
it's like, oh yeah, what's happening. And it's beautiful. You
can look it up. The illustration is gorgeous. There is
a cloud in the sky and people's are oh sun
dogs and blah blah blah. But because in fifteen sixty
one there was no science fiction reference, you know, nowadays
we it's like it's like you can just pick Okay,
whatever ship shows up in the sky. People are gonna
make a comparison to some movie or television show. That's
the only drawback of a ship showing up right now,

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it's like, oh, look it's from Battlestar Galactica, right, or
look it's from the Day of the Earth, so oh,
it looks kind of star warsy whatever. So back then
they thought it was a religious event. They did not
know what to make of it, and so, and it
wasn't the only city that had happened to, but it
was definitely the most prominent. What struck me more than
anything about it, And even ancient aliens didn't talk about

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the second part, which was after that hour, a third
faction shows up with no fighters. A giant black angular
ship with no windows and no nothing pulls up between
the two of them and just sits there, and those
guys scatter. They're like, oh no, we're not having any
of this, and they take off right Then eventually that

(01:29:59):
shark Anglar ship and you'll see it in the drawing,
just kind of leaves who the hell were those guys? Right?
And the reason why I think ancient aliens didn't bring
it up, it's like, freaking they only tell you so much, right,
which was it raises too many questions. It puts too
much legitimacy on the power structure and the hierarchy, which was, okay,

(01:30:20):
you know who these guys were. You know these were
rival factions. Who were these guys? Who was the black faction? Right?
Were they the un were they the cops? Were they
some sort of military? And moreover, what was the response
time on that? I think they showed up over that
city because they found a dead spot in the coverage,
which was an hour. It's like, look, I could fire

(01:30:42):
a gun out this window right now, and there's gonna
be cops here in under ten minutes. I guarantee it.
Hat But these guys were doing a full blown military
engagement for an hour and nobody showed up. It's like,
again the hierarchy, who is everybody? What's it? Raises so
many cool questions. I just love it, sorr Im, What else?

(01:31:06):
What else do you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
While you were talking about that, my son's plug came
out of this stereo his headphones and it sounded like
gunfire in here. So it's kind of going along. It's
just the background noise to narrate the skyfight. Okay, that's
what that was Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Sorry, but yet Yeah, he'll say, by the way, that
it was sun dogs. Oh, it's nothing but sun dogs.
Did you see the sketch. It's not even it's it's gorgeous,
it's in full color, and it's it's meticulously drawn. It's like, yeah,
that's not sun dogs, right, I know what sun dogs

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look like, and that's not it. And plus it was April.
The sun dogs usually show up during you know, really nice, crisp, clear,
frozy scenarios. Usually in the mountains there's snow on the ground.
This wasn't that, and it was over a full blown city.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
I've seen the UFOs myself. I've seen a bunch of them,
especially out in the field we're doing our Bigfoot research.
Oftentimes we have UFOs that show up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Yeah, and I and I and I believe I'm sorry
that the flattererth take on that is that does it?
You know? Because I used to watch UFOs. If you've
you've never had a chance. If you have the means,
go on Amazon buy a pair of them. You can
get American now cheap night vision monoculars for night vision
viewers for wildlife in like a five x power and

(01:32:29):
just stare at the sky. I was told this years ago,
and and somebody said it was some British guy you know,
in silhouette. He's like, you want to see some weird
stuff he does, and it was it's the end of
the interview and he goes he goes get night vision
and start looking up. I'm going, oh, that sounds fun.
So I got some night vision and I you know,
I was living in Colorado, beautiful clear sky, high altitude,

(01:32:52):
and I was looking at the sky and I'm going,
as boring, It's like, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's a
lot of satellites right, I'm going, sky is crawling with
stuff when you look at him, going ah, yeah whatever.
And then I watched watching this sad. I was gonna quit.
And on my second night, I was going, second scup.
Satellites are flying by, and then one of them just
slows down and stops. I'm good, what are you doing

(01:33:13):
up there? And then he then all of a sudden,
you know, it flashes and it makes a right hand
bank and it goes ballistic in a in a in
a very very quickly. I'm going, that's not what they're
supposed to do. Well, am I looking at it exactly?
And the yeah, the sky's just freaking crawling with stuff.
Do I think there us of the Americans would love

(01:33:33):
to take credit for it? No, No, I do not.
I do not. I mean, yeah, sure the Americans could
take credit for some stuff, but you know full well
that these things have been around a long long time, long, long,
long long time. You know. It's the as much as
I appreciate the hype around Roswell, which I do think
was fun, you know, the whole Roswell thing, the the

(01:33:56):
every I mean, UFO stories go back predate America as
a country, so far back. But again, loved the America
for taking putting their pin and flags and things. It's like,
oh yeah, you know, they'll do a wink. It's like,
oh no, it's probably not us. It's like, oh, I
see what you did there, clever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Well, they say there are UFO bases in Antarctica, just
just to bring it full circle.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Sure, for doctor Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
There you go, UFO bases, you bet? And again why
was why would you guys can look up the Operation
High Jump In nineteen forty six, right after we did
the took over, you know, the surrender of Japan and Tokyo,
they sent a full blown carrier group with five thousand
infantry to Antarctica. Why oh, for research purposes. Really, it

(01:34:42):
seems kind of extreme for for research purposes for Antarctica.
You know, in the snow and World War two, you know,
guys want to go home. It's like why, why what
are we doing with all these guys? And you know,
the speculation is rampant on what happened down there. You
know that they were beaten back. You know that that
there was an older civilization or a UFO civil type

(01:35:02):
tech civilization that that squared off with them for a
little while. In the US went back with their tail
between their legs. It's like, okay, we're not going back
for a while. And then eventually they had to cut
a deal to where it's like, all right, all right,
we're not going to do any more military stuff. And
then you know, now not now the military is down there,
but not in any capacity. You know, we're we're very

(01:35:22):
very you know, small do I think my favorite story
from that was that the that the Nazis because for
those who don't know, the Nazis were the only people
that were down in Antarctica during World War two during
the war, which makes sense because the the I'm sorry,
we can say Nazis. That's fine, it's not You're not
gonna get flight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
You can hear.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Middle Ground the Germans. The Germans were down there because
it's Indiana Jones wasn't just a movie. They were a
group that felt that if anything could help the war,
they would and why wouldn't you, Right, It's like and
they understood it. They believed in the paranormal you you know,
the Vrillas and all the those guys. They understood It's like, look,
if Harry Potter's wand is somewhere and it'll help us,

(01:36:05):
go get it. If the Ring of Power for the
Lord of the Ring get that, what Ark of the Covenant,
you bet go after that? Right, Why wouldn't you take
a chance? Right? So, if Antarctica was one of their bases,
they were down there. The the rumor is and I
like it because it sounds it sounds kind of fun,
which is is it's kind of you know, they were

(01:36:26):
allowed asylum whoever was down there, but they couldn't come back,
kind of like if you remember high school dances. I
don't know way John remembers back in the day dance,
you know, you couldn't come back into the gym. You're
not gonna go drinking in the parking lot. They're not
letting you back in. Right. If you're in, you're in, right,
you know, you get your stamp, You're you're not coming,

(01:36:47):
You're you're not going back and forth. And so the
Germans it was like, nah, nah, you've already messed up
things enough. If you leave here, if you go with us,
you get asylum. That's fine. You can hang out, you know,
all debts forgiven for now, but you can't come back
because well we know what you do. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Okay, interesting, Mark, very interesting, Jessica, very interesting. This has
been a lot of fun. And I'm going to ask
like I sometimes do, and the three of us get
together and do this again sometime in the next sele months.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Yea, yeah, sure, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Okay, Jessica, will you come back and join us?

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
I can't say no to you, John anyway, because you
and I may be working together in twenty five for things.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Well, okay, I'll say I'm not going to say we
may we will be because I am so excited, am I?
Okay to tell about it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Sure, talk about it well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
In twenty twenty five, Doctor John Stamy is the chair
of the Flat Earth Conference and it's going to be
in Georgia. And one of the keynote speakers, well is
other than Mark Sargeant, is going to be Jessica Jones.
Because Jessica's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Oh my gosh, wait, did you already tell Jessica.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Yes, we have talked about it. We have, and but
you know I'm no expert on flatter though. That's smart,
This is all Mark, okay, But I do know about
other topics.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
That's right. Again.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
My own point is where the reason we're there is
to learn from each other. Sure, and Mark, do you
like that idea?

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
For me, with a with a doctorate in computer science
and technology education and three master's degrees, the only thing
that I live for is to learn. That is all
that I live for. In fact, I was talking with
an old friend from Clemson University and he said, what
are you doing. I said, I'm running paranormal conferences and

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I live to learn. He said, You've always been about that.
We always used to laugh at you, But you wanted
to learn what is going on? I said, yeah, I do.
So even my friends that have known me forever realize
that I just want to learn, and that's the whole
purpose of my life. So we're gonna learn. We're gonna

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learn a ton, and Jessica's going to teach us a lot.
Mark's gonna teach us a lot. I might even teach
everybody a thing or two. We're going to have fun.
The whole purpose of Flat Earth twenty twenty five is
to have fun and learn and experience others' ideas. And Mark,

(01:39:45):
do you like that idea?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
I do? I was a smart ass answer, and I
don't have one right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
No, no, But that's why we're there, just to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
It should be it should be a blasting. I'm going
to encourage a lot of people, you know, once we
get everything up and running, I will be promoting the
hell out of this and looking looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I mean, this is going to be a whole new
chapter in flat Earthism because of how we're going to
do it, and I think it's going to be fun
and I hope everybody loves it. And I'm already talking
to lots of people, lots of people, and they're liking
the ideas. So anyway, that's a little bit of a
preview of what's coming on. I'm going to have the

(01:40:28):
two of you back in a couple of months. This
has been one of the most enjoyable Scary casts that
I have ever moderated, and it got to where I
didn't even have to moderate it for the last it
was it was so much fun and so first of all,
we've got it, ladies. First, I want to thank you
Jessica Jones for being here. You were wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Thank you, Thank you for allowing me to be here.
This is always fun. So I'm usually talking about bigfoot
and dog men and mothmn and you know, anything that
lurks in the in the dark in the woods that
I'm chasing after on the weekends. So this is this
is refreshing and fun. And thanks me to you. Mark,
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
And Mark Sergeant as usual, you are a world class
participant in this conversation and you are every time you
do not fail to produce good topics and good results.
So from the bottom of our hearts, here Scary cast
from my attorney who's our partner in this and everything,

(01:41:40):
we want to thank you for being here and making
this conversation just so much fun that we could learn.
Because the only reason I believe we are here is
to learn, So thank you, Mark Sergeant, Thank you appreciate it.
All right, well good, well, now we'll be back. We

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got a lot, we've got a lot more stuff to
do here on Christmas slash New Year's week, and we've
got a lot, a lot of great things. So I
want to say that again. Thank you, Jessea Jones, thank
you Mark Sergeant. We were glad you were here. We
will be We will see you back soon, and thanks
a lot. And this is doctor John saying good night everybody,

(01:42:24):
and we'll see you back on the one. There's only
one scary cast. We'll see you bye bye.