ScaryCast presents Jesse Dragonheart interviewed by Dr. John and Papa Stro Maestro

ScaryCast presents Papa Stro Maestro and Jesse Dragonheart, professional wrestlers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good afternoon, and live from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. This
is doctor John Stamy and I want to welcome everyone
to a very special edition of Scary Cast with the
great pro wrestler Papa Stroe. Maestro, he's here with us.
He's going to be doing some commentating over the next while,

(00:22):
and I hope he's going to be permanent because he
is truly one of the most interesting people. You know,
Scary Cast is about the paranormal and interesting people. I
don't know anyone any more interesting than Papa Strow. So
how are you doing this afternoon, buddy.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Great to be here, blessed to be alive with you
all and looking forward to this episode.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Well that's great. Well thanks, We're so glad to have you.
It's good to have you back in the co hosts
seat with me. We've done this podcast gig for years
and you haven't We.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
We sure have. I have a lot of adventures, yes
we have.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So anyway, today we got someone I met and I'm
not gonna say quite by accident. It was very interesting
how I met him. We started talking, you know, we
started talking to people on the internet. He said, well,
I'm a wrestler. I said, oh wow, so the first thing,
I just jump into wrestling mood. I love wrestling because now,

(01:29):
as some of you know and some of you don't,
my first wrestling gig was as a professional announcer with
the Italian Stallions PWF, the Professional Wrestling Federation in Charlotte,
North Carolina, and I swear that was the best time
of my life. I've never had as much fun. Oh
it was tough. I helped put up rings, I helped

(01:50):
take them down, I helped control crowds, I announced, But
it was the most fun. You know, stro is there
really anything anymore than a wrestling event?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know what, It's never a dull moment. There's always
something going on. But in the wrestling industry wall intertwined.
You know, from the ring crew to the officials, to
everyone in the back, all our brothers and sisters in
the industry. You know, it all ties in you. It's

(02:26):
like a functioning machine. You can have one without the other.
So I mean, we're all one big happy and I'm
not so happy.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But let me dysfunctional family. But it's all good, that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It is one big, happy, dysfunctional family. I think that
is the greatest statement I've ever heard. Yeah, and then
we were talking. We were in the green room here
talking to our guest. His name is Jesse Brown, and
I'll introduce him in a second. Well, of course you
two guys have a close connection, don't you.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, it's really cool to have something common with knowing
the Armstrong family, which the Dalmstring family and I go
way back, and they really helped me immensely, you know,
when I was first started out into pro wrestling business.
So I mean they took me in this bike part

(03:22):
of the family per se. So you know, I'm forever
grateful that they did that. And to be still be
friends with him this.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Day, absolutely, I think that's great. So today we've got
a new kind of a newcomer to wrestling. And the
reason I know him is because I was looking for
a venue to hold one of my paranormal events down
in the Mobile, Alabama area. And Mobile is very interesting

(03:54):
because what I wanted to do is I wanted to
find a location that was between Mobile and Biloxi, Mississippi.
Great both of them great towns, and what's really paranormal
is number one, the pirate activity down there was huge there.
Of course a lot of ghosts and to me, one

(04:16):
of the most important UFO sightings in America happened really
near Pascagoula, Mississippi, and it was just phenomenal. And we're
I'm already talking to members of Alabama moofon Mutual UFO
Network and of course Mississippi moufon. They're all excited that

(04:37):
we're going to have a Ghosts and Legends conference down there.
And one of the people we're gonna we're looking forward
to having there is none other than our guest today,
Jesse Brown and you better known as Jesse Dragonard. How
are you doing today, Jesse.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I'm doing really good.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Thanks for asking, very happy to be here, very excited
to be on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, good, we are. We are glad to have you
now a lot. You're kind of new in the business,
but boy, you you have taken this thing by storm
and you really love it. Am I correct?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Thank you? I really appreciate those kind words.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
And yes, yes, professional wrestling is my passionate, it is
my dream and I'm so happy to be able to
be a part of it.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, that's right. How did you get involved? Way down there?
And you're you're at you're located really at the Bullet
Bob Armstrong Memorial Arena in Theodore, Alabama, and of all things,
I have some friends in Theodore, Alabama. That's kind of
kind of scary. I mean, they're probably going to show

(05:40):
up at our events. But anyway, how did you get
involved with wrestling that way down there in the Mobile area.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Well, it all started really when I saw that they
were holding a wrestling seminar. A wrestler by the name
of Fuego Del Sul was hosting a seminar there and
I was already going to do some wrestling training down
in Florida because I had paid the course, and so
I figured, well, I might as.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Well see what's going on here because I and he
gave me a lot of valuable advice and information.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
And then I was I you know, I got into
contact with people most of the seminar at the Bullet
and I was like, Hey, I'm about to start training
for wrestling. When I get back, I would love to
start working. And that's really how I got my first
foot in the.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Door at the Bullet and in the local Alabama wrestling area.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
And then I went I finished my training at Flatbacks,
and I came back and they gave me a spot
and I started wrestling there and that's how I've been
going ever since.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well that's great, and by the way, I'm going to
ask you to speak up, speak a little louder, because
sometimes we have connection problems. If you can do that,
that would be great. So now you've been you've been
there about six months, you've wrestled. Probably you does your league,
which is Diamond Championship Wrestling, does it wrestle every week

(07:05):
or monthly?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's they wrestle about twice every month.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Okay, great. I know that. When I was with the
Professional Wrestling Federation, we were on the road and we did.
We were every Friday night and every Saturday night. And boy,
if that won't wear you out, Papastrow will take Papastrow.
When you were out there wrestling with WCW, it was
it was a grind. It was sometimes it was every night,

(07:35):
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Oh yeah, it was even the grind before w c W.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
When I was traveling during.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
The territories and independent promotions. You know us overseas and
all that. Our life is never ending. It's like a
three hundred and sixty five days.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
A year deal. It takes a special brea to do
what we do.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I guess I'll say that you're either wrestling or you're
recovering from wrestling every day, right.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I was gonna tell you a funny story at Ricky
Morton h said one time in which I actually witnessed
a few of these A few of these events he
just he was telling me.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
For example, there was this like, uh father.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
And son promoter, right, and they were running shows like
so close to each other and pretty much in the
same town. So uh, he would do one show and
literally walk to the next building for the second show.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
The two show, say the two shows a night.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Well, we didn't quite do two shows. But when I
was with the p WF, we were doing shows everywhere
between Charlotte and Rawleigh, Danville, Virginia, and of course Myrtle Beach,
So we had kind of that middle area of the Carolinas,
and we were on the road. I mean three o'clock

(09:11):
Friday afternoon hit we were all meeting at Stallion's place
and we were getting in the car and we were you.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Know when the Horseman was going. Man.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I mean, their schedule was insane because they would wrestle.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
All night.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Party all night, wake up in the morning, work out
at the gym, fly to the next town, and do
it all over again.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And they sometimes they'd wrestle twice on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And it was crazy back then during that era, especially
going like Our Matches or So in which Ricky Morting
and Rick Flair one time one week went like an
our Broadway matches the entire week for a week straight.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
If that won't wear you at Jesse, have you ever
done hour long matches every day of the week.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
You haven't.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
You haven't gotten married yet, have you.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I have wrestled for an hour before down in Flatbacks.
The training course that I took, we were in there
for an hour and we would train every day intensively.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
That is the most like every single day.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
But I do understand on a level the grind of
working out every day, then going to as many shows
as you can, because I've also wrestled for them, slammed
Academy as well, and just kind of just trying to
keep up that grind.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, there's nothing quite like it where you just.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Start to eat, sleep and breathe wrestling because you're always
thinking about matches, what you can do, you know, studying
other matches, studying tape and everything like that, and.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Then just it kind of just it. Wrestling is more
of a lifestyle.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Really, I've kind of come before, or at least that's
how I feel about.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You are one hundred correct. It is a lifestyle. I
know that. I was a professor at You and C
Charlotte when I was busy with the Italian Stallion's promotion,
and all we did was I was either at work
teaching or I was talking to the guys in the
promotion about wrestling and what we were going to do
this coming weekend. So that's that's all we did. We

(11:18):
loved it, and I don't know there is something addicting
about it, right Rob.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh my gosh, Well, it's wrestling. Send your blooding them.
It's like anything else. You have a passion for it.
It's like you never and never gets out of your system, right,
you know, it's a guy like the old Godfather. He
is you know where Patina would say, just when I
thought it was out, that pulled me back.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
In, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly right. I
know that forward the end of my tenure with the
Italian Stallion. I brought on this photographer and I just
thought he was going to be great. He kept telling
me how much he loved wrestling, and I said, good,
and I introduced him to the Stallion. He thought it
was absolutely great. And then after two weeks he said, John,

(12:10):
I just I just can't do this two nights a week. Said,
what do you mean two nights a week. I do
it for and I have a time job. So I mean,
it was really funny. He didn't understand the dedication that
it takes. And it is, Jesse, You're one hundred percent right.
It is a lifestyle. But you know, I'm gonna ask
you a point black question, Jesse, do you love it?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I do.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I do love it.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
That's the only reason I do it is because I
love it.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, and I know that probably right now is a
new guy. The pay might not be that great. But
you see that huge light, that huge sun at the
end of the tunnel, and there is and Papastrow will
tell you, Papastrow, there is reward at the end of
this wrestling tunnel, isn't there?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
That persistently pays off. It really doesn't. I've seen it
time and time again. Uh, well, people in the in
the business that really have the heart and do put
in the work, do the grind. You know, it's a
beautiful thing when it happens. So anytime someone makes it

(13:19):
big in the business that's worked hard to get there,
you know, I'm more than proud of them, because especially.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Knowing how hard for me it was, uh.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh, you know, paying to do this and all that
and many others that I knew. So anytime anybody has
any type of success in the industry, you know, my heart's.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
With him exactly. All Right, We've got three people that
have been involved in wrestling, So this says to me,
We've got we've each got a story, and here's the
story that I want us to tell. And I'll go first.
I want us to tell the craziest thing that ever

(14:02):
happened to us during a wrestling event. And I'm gonna
go first. I guess mine was in Mooresville, North Carolina,
and we were there with the PWF and we we
were in front of about six hundred people. And now, now, Jesse,
have you ever been in front of six hundred people?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
No? No, no, no, I have not.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
You promise you won't let it scare you will you?

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh no, no, I love before we get in front
of people. If I had the honor and privilege of
before we get in front of the six hundred, I'd
be very happy.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, what happened to me was the blood Seeker. He
was kind of our star, other than, of course, the
Italian stature. He said, John, what we're gonna do is
we're having this match, and it's a coffin match, and
what we want you to do is we want you
to jump up into the ring and try to pull

(14:57):
two of us apart. And then what we're going to
do is we're gonna throw you in the coffin, slam
the door on the coffin, and carry you out. I said, sure,
why not? It's real funny though the Italian stallion before
the night started, he said, now, John, they're gonna have

(15:19):
a big piece of sheet metal in the ring, and
I wouldn't doubt that they may not slam you over
the head with that piece of sheet metal. I said, well,
how do I keep from dying? He said, give me
your hand, and he put my hand on top of
my head. He said, make it very limp, let it

(15:39):
go with the flow. He said, that's all you do,
and you can deflect any large piece of metal that
gets slammed in your head. You'll never feel it. Now
I did. Now I tell you what, Jesse, listen to
your teachers, because they do know what they're talking about,
don't they.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Oh yes, yes, indeed.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
So anyway, the stallion said do that, and I got
up there and I tried to pull them apart, and
Blood Seekert number two got that big piece of sheet
metal and I said, oh God, I'm either gonna die
or the Italian Stallion is one hundred percent correct. So
the Blood Secret number two pulled that. It was about

(16:21):
three feet by three feet, and you know, you know,
rob Kellum, that's a big piece of sheet metal to
slam over someone's head, isn't.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
It, I'd say.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
So what happened is they got about halfway down and
I just simply put my hand very easily on top
of my head. I hardly felt it, but I realized
that I had been slammed on the head and I
better act like I'm hurt. So I kind of stumbled
and kind of fell halfway into the coffin, and they

(16:54):
picked me up and threw me in the coffin, slammed
that door and carried me out, and it was I
have never that is the most fun I have ever
had in my life. And we got back in the
dressing room and Blood Secret number one said said John John,
are you okay? And the Calvin Dora said, well, sure,
I just listened to Stallion. I did exactly what he said.

(17:18):
I hardly even felt it. They were grateful because I
apparently had really sold the fact that they'd slammed a
big piece of metal on my head. And Rob Kellum,
you know this, when you can sell something, you have
done a great thing in the wrestling ring, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes, I really think that is a lost concept nowadays
and in some places because I mean, some of the
best in the industry as it made a whole career,
I mean, being great sellers. Look at Rickie Steamboat and
Lord Nos, look at what all Nick.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Foley's been there. I mean, just two examples of it.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, I'll just say, I'll say this right out loud.
I don't see how Nick Pholey is still alive.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean, gosh, looking at him, the Hardy boys, uh
that that whole like edge and Christian Well Adam Copeland, Now,
I mean, gosh, those guys have put their bodies through insane,
insane type matches and on a nightly basis almost.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
All right, Jesse, number one, are you ready for that?
And number two tell us your best moment in front
of a crowd in wrestling. I can't wait to hear this.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Well, when it comes down to matches, I'm ready for
whatever the world is gonna throw at me. And as
for the craziest thing that may have happened in my
one of my wrestling matches, I was in a Battle Royal.
It was the slamm Roulette and actually my hometown. It
was in Daphne, and I was in the Battle Royal
and to think of it, and from behind, one of

(19:07):
the guys grabs me and he go he just suddenly
goes German soup plex, and he just hurls.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Me up into the air.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
And I looking back on the footage, it looks like
I landed square on my head, but I think my
hair actually protected me.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
My dreads and I was able to roll off.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
But it was just insane the height I got because
he threw me up while I also kind of jumped
at the same time, and I just suddenly I had
been German sup flex before, but I had never gotten
that height like it felt like I was up in
the sky and I came landing down but it didn't
really hurt that much. But oh man, it looked gnarly.

(19:46):
I have it up on my YouTube channel, but man,
it was crazy. And then the ref came over on
the side. I had to squeeze his hand twice to
let it know I was okay because it looked that brutal.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
So that was probably the most insane thing that's happened
to me so far.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It is great when you can sell something to it
to where the people in the room say you okay.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly the referee I was, I guess
I was able to convince him I really was messed
up it, And you know.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
The fact is, and Papastro please tell me if I'm right.
But I know that the more times I got thrown
in the coffin and the more times the blood seeker
put the sleeper hold on me in the middle of
the room, the more respect I got from the wrestlers.
And do you agree that if the wrestlers see that

(20:38):
you can really do it, they're going to respect you more,
aren't they?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh? Yeah, you know, it's just like years ago.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
That's why the business was so tight knit, because they
wouldn't dislet anybody in the pro wrestling industry. I mean
you had to really know your craft and know how
to make money. I mean that was the name of
the game, make money in the business. So, uh, anytime
someone does well in the industry and I mean wrestlers,

(21:10):
and we recognize that, and so uh that earns our respect,
you know, whereas people that don't do very well and
uh it doesn't take our industry seriously. You know, they
won't get any respect from us because I mean it's
we've dedicated whole lives to this passion called pro wrestling.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
And you know, Rob it is a passion, isn't it, Jesse,
You know it's a passion right.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I echo that statement one.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Because wrestling it's all about the heart. It's about the passion.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
And the ring.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
You know, it's very the brotherhood that's formed with between
you know, the boys and the back and everything like that.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
When you go out there in front of the crowd,
it is one hundred percent a labor of love. I
think it is.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
And even when you're starting and then of course they're
the guys that don't ever really make it big. But
if they do a good job, they they have the
time of their lives. I mean, there's nothing more fun
than being out there in front of people. And Jesse,
I'm going to ask you something. I'm going to ask
you a favor. Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yes? Yes? What is it?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Get me a coffin so that when I'm down there
on Friday night before our our Ghosts and Legends paranormal
conference on Saturday. I want you to throw me into
the coffin.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
You know what, I think I could do that. I
think I can advantage that.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, now I will put up a fight.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh okay, okay, if you want to put up a fight,
I wouldn't have it any other way.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Okay. And Papastro, I hope you will be down there
refereeing that match. It'll probably be a battle royal and
will be the last two left. And I just think,
and I can't imagine anything more fun to do in Mobile,
Alabama with talking about UFOs the next day than then
for me to be slammed over the head with a
piece of metal and just I mean, it'll just bring

(23:18):
back memories. It will probably make me cry and I
can't wait, and it will be that will be the
most fun I could ever have. That probably probably will
be handed me ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'm serious watching it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know, no, you you, you, you gotta you gotta
stay stay in characters, stro because you will be in
a referee and you gotta make sure that you don't
let anything out, and you're gonna think, God, Johnny you Okay.
I was like, yeah, it'll be great.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I'd be in character and left the same time.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, I know you can because you are truly you
are truly one of the greatest wrestlers in history. And
I will say this publicly because you know a lot
of our new fans don't know this, but you come
from the one of the two greatest wrestling families in history.

(24:17):
One of them is, of course, the family of Rick Flair,
and Rick Flair is unparalleled as a great wrestler. But
you came from the old Guard. You are the grand
nephew of the one and only gorgeous George who invented

(24:38):
professional exhibition wrestling. He invented two things that we can't
live without. Number One, he invented the heel didn't.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
He Well, he was a pioneer putting pro wrestling on
a television map back in the day, which paved the
way for all of us, and a lot of us
in industry, we're we go by and live by the
perception of.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
You know, you only as good as the people you
work with.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So, so it's like I'm forever grateful for everyone that
has stepped in the ring with me. Uh, that has
promoted me, that has worked with me behind the scenes
and in the ring, uh, and uh and our fan
base because without that, you know, there would be no Maestro.

(25:30):
There wouldn't be no Jesse, no, no anybody. You know,
it all ties in and we're all intertwined in this thing.
And and to be great in this business, you have
to have all the functions of the machine working together.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yes, you do, and and and Jesse. Do you agree
that it takes it takes everybody to create a great
wrestling show, right.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
One hundred percent. That was one of the first things
my trainer told to me. Is one of the most
important things with wrestlers is we need each other. You know,
it takes two to dance, and we all have to
help each other out.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
And I already have had a lot.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Of my fellow wrestlers who have helped me out with
far more experience, being able to have the pleasure of
working in the ring with wrestlers who I think are
better than me, because then I'm able to learn from them.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
So, wrestlers, we all need each other and we need
to work together.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know we're and we're doing something we might not
should be doing, but but I don't care. I think
it's good that we talk about how important it is
to work on this thing together, because the whole point
is to produce a great wrestling show that the people,
that the people can enjoy. And by the way, Papastro,

(26:52):
I just had an idea, and we have got to
get And I'm gonna write her name down and I'm
gonna call her. Who do you know? Who? Do you think? Well?
I want to get on next gee?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Let me think.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
She's she's from Arkansas, she's got gray hair, and she
is dynamic, sipping.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
The legendary lose Susan Green though with it.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Oh no, I can't get her next. No, this would
be brit Granny Hulkster.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Oh my gosh, what a swerve.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I love I love Granny Hilkster. In fact, I'm calling
Susan Green tomorrow and try to get her involved in
We love Susan Green. Yeah, I'm gonna try to get
Granny Hulkster. She is still out there with the wrestlers.
She's still speaking, she still takes bumps. I mean, you know,
seventy year old lady. She is tough as nails and

(27:48):
she's the sweetest lady you've ever met. And I mean, well,
we'll have to get Granny Holkster right here. I know
she'll love it. She might not be quiet, but we
don't don't care. We want everybody to keep talking. So Jesse,
keep talking. Uh. That means that's why we're here, all right.

(28:08):
So now, okay, now, now, Papa Stro, you're the only
one that hasn't talked about your one of your because
I can't ask you about your one but one of
your great moments in professional wrestling. What was it?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I've you know, I've been really blessed. I've had some
very entertaining moments. Gosh, I'll tell you this. When one
match I had with the Barbarian, which we would have

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these like Texas death matches, falls count anywhere type matches.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Oh, and I got to interrupt you and say, I
love Barbarian. I got to meet you, introduced me to
him up in uh what was that little town in
eastern North Carolina? Oh, Ken in Kimston. That's why you.
You and Barbarian were all over. You were in the chairs,

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you were in the aisles, and the people went crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Oh it's like rodeo riding with Barbarian. You just hang
on and enjoy the ride.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
But but him, him and ourkup are really good brothers
and friends of mine.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And and truth being known to the toughest individuals you
ever want to meet, and two individuals.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
You definitely want by your.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Side if you need them.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
What I'll tell you a funny story for them one time.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Uh, one of the times we went to Orlando for
the TV teams for w CW, and we used to
like play basketball after the shows and you know, to
relax and everything, and Aku and Barb inviting me to play.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Basketball them if I can find.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
A partner, right, So I literally asked everybody in the
company to be my partner. Right. But when I told him,
I was playing against you all the clients. So I
ended up playing a handicap to a one right with
Acou and Barbarian and oh my god, I took more

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bumps in the court than I ever did in the
ring with him. Right and Barbarians got a big pall
in the areas blocking out the sun, saying shoot but shoot,
and you know I'm trying to shoot, and I tried
to get cute and waste lock.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Haku Right and Hawku literally dragged me down the.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Court, dribbled the balls to lay up and scores like,
oh my gosh. I was all like bruice battered at
the end. But they that was so cool that I
would like play by myself against those two. So they
took me out.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
To eat litter on that night.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And man, let me tell you, hang of those guys,
they always know the cool eating spots.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Oh man, you never went hung around them.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's great forget. We were in Kinston.
I remember it was you and me and uh and
the and the whole bunch. We went to waffle House
and I normally don't like waffle House, and boy it
was good because those gals knew who you were, and
it was just it was just incredible. I've had some

(31:39):
of the best times that i've ever had uh in
professional wrestling and just having a good time. And I'll
never forget the first night that I announced for the
Italian Stallion. I was terrified.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Came and.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Johnny just relaxed.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Just be like the steakhouse of the wrestling family. Oh
my god, Oh I know it is.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
It's great, all right, all right, Jesse. Do you have
a waffle house down there in Theodore lock a waffle house.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, there's a few waffle houses around here.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, okay, well that's where we'll go after the Friday
night event. It'll be a lot of fun because we're
gonna be down there with the Ghosts and Legends Conference
the second weekend in October. We're gonna have some great speakers.
We're gonna have some of the original participants of the
Pascagoula UFO Sighting. I'm trying to get everything organized because

(32:44):
we're we're really pretty early for this, but everybody's excited
about it. Our keynote speaker is, of course, Jessica Jones,
the great psychic and bigfoot hunter from Carrollton, Georgia. She
is world famous and and she's got up and he'll
be at eleven year year old son by then, and
I tell you what, Ben, Ben is the best. And

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so we're gonna have a grand time down there in
the mobile area in Biloxi and near Pasca Goola. So
we're gonna have a good time, but we're gonna do wrestling, Jesse.
Are we gonna be doing wrestling Friday night?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (33:21):
You better believe we're gonna be doing some wrestling at
the Bullet.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's exactly right. And I think it's gonna be a
lot of fun. So anyway, uh So now you now, Jesse,
I want to get back to you because you're you're
our guest. You're kind of new in wrestling, but I've
talked to you some and I know you really love it.
Tell us about your best and Papastro. You'll have to
do this now. I can't quite do it because I'm

(33:46):
an announcer. But anyway, tell us, Jesse, about your famous
uh and your favorite finishing hold in wrestling.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
My favorite finishing move right now in wrestling is the
movie that I use currently and it is the frog
Splash also known as the Superfly Splash, Flying Splash, five
Star frog Splash. Personally, I adopted it from watching Rob
Van Dam and Eddie Guerrero, And that's kind of how
I style mine off of It's just a wonderful move.

(34:19):
It's very, very nice to perform and just soaring through
the skies like a dragon.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
That's how I see it. That's how I describe myself
as dragons fly.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
So, yes, the frog Splash is my favorite finishing movie.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Well that's great, now, Papastrow, what is your best and
favorite finishing move. I know you've got hundreds of them. Well,
what's the one you really like the best? Hello, Papastrow.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Oh, I was sorry. I was put on mute for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Anything. How would you talk as much again? All right, okay,
give it get going again?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
All right?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well in w CW I used to actually one was
the encore STPs to over to old Facelock submission, which
was used prior to me by Eric Watts and Matsuhiro Cho,
who was trained by one of my mentors, Lutz at

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the time.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
And do you mean that lu says was one of
your mentors.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yes, he was like whenever I needed.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Advice on certain aspects of the business, where it was
my go to guy call on and he would give
me advice.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Here was one of the people I called.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
If anyone doesn't know who lous is, he was one
of the original u n W A World heavy World
Heavyweight Champions, and he was truly you know, y'all have
had some not necessarily the best champions. Loos was a
god of wrestling, don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I won the greatest of all time, hands now, and
I mean during his time period, he there wasn't a
hole he couldn't counter.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That's that's back when they really had to work hard
for that paycheck, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And the other finishing hold I did at the end
was uh was it?

Speaker 3 (36:35):
They called it? The company called it Dakota.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Which means the end in musical terms, right, which was
it was a variation of the shinodamaki, which is a
koba clutch submission. But that was that's that was originated
from Japan that I was kind of bringing back to
the States for a short while in w CW. But

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submissions always gravitated towards me. I've always been, you know,
and goes back to my background and training. I trained
briefly with Pancreation, which was mixed martial arts. Uh, this
is way before the UFC and all that, you know,
back when Japan had Pride Fighting and the company I

(37:25):
trained with u w F I, in which guys like
Dan Severn, who I trained with world class a dude,
hands down and one one of the greatest, uh they
ever do with m m A fighters out there.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Him, Vader Vader was part of a one.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Point Uh yes, Vader was a god.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Vader, Gary Albright.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
And uh, I want to see Nakada was champion at
one time. But but yeah, yeah, we just but during
that time period, it was like one show every so
many months, right, And that's why I gravitated back to

(38:20):
pro wrestling, because pro wrestling was more active and and
all that. But I did learn a lot from the
MMA training that had over there, and it just stayed
with me for my career, you know, with all submissions
and so forth. I mean, I learned so much, you know,

(38:41):
with that that group, because.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I mean, I'll give you an example. Our sense literally
did like sixty different legs.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Submission holes in two minutes, and our our jaws are.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Dropping like this, right, but luckily you went real.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Slow to show each one, right. But it was this amazing,
uh what I learned down there, and it's just like
anybody has that goes a Japan, whether it be that
or a pro wrestling company, they come back to the
States ten times better with with their craft and and

(39:24):
you just you just know the guys in Gala Step
had experience because they they come back to the States
and they their work, their work is phenomenal. So I
always recommend that to the younger wrestlers that are starting
in the industry that, you know, get get out there, get.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Experience, whether it be US overseas.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I mean, learn as much as you can, because I mean,
actually that's what helped me contractually get signed to WCW
because I was doing a nightly basis before then, but
when I students started doing the overseas work and all that,
whether it's uh, you know, I just talked about learning
that style, the Lucha Librek style Mexico, which I was

(40:13):
very blessed to have been there with Jake to Snake
Roberts with Triple A, Triple Mania.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
And all that.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I mean, the more you learn in this business from
different countries, it will just better prepare for what like ahead.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
And that's how I got discovered.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Say Mike today actually was the guy bringing out well
the commentartor rather that you know he knew about me,
and it was support making reports back to the w
CW brass and then you know through Hogan and Savage

(40:53):
talking to Eric Bischoff and and everything. I mean, we're
in this business, travels fast and you know, went and
their eyes everywhere, So I mean, you never know who's
noticing your hard work and grind.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, And I'm gonna ask you a personal opinion question,
and I've never asked this of you in person. I
believe you mentioned a man that I think might have
been one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. It

(41:32):
was not Rick Flair, it was not Gorgeous George. I mean,
Gorgeous George was an innovator. He was the best in
the world. But do you agree with me that Randy
Savage was absolutely one of the best that ever walked
into the ring. I hope you agree. If you don't

(41:53):
tell me, why.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Oh, without a doubt.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I mean, and he's he's still trailblazing to this day.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I mean, so I see his influence everywhere now.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean, he was so way ahead of his time,
Macha man, Randy Savage was, and such a great wrestling
family too. Landy poffo oh, my god.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Landy Pop the Italian Stallion couldn't stop talking about Lanny Poffo.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, but Lanny and her dad and Angelo Poffo. I mean,
I mean, yeah, I mean Randy uh he really, I
mean every time I'll give you an example, every time
I look at seth Rawlins right now, I mean, he's
got so many traits of Randy savax Is it's incredible, right, So,

(42:50):
I mean his influence is still going strong today.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
So yeah, Macha Man, definitely Randy Savage. Yeah, one of
the best ever.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Absolutely. All right, Jesse, I've never asked you this question.
This is a big personal question. Name your two favorite
idols in professional wrestling and you got thirteen seconds, So
get going.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Two favorite idols and professional wrestling.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Well, if I had to pick one, my biggest inspiration
is Daniel Brian or Brian Danielson as he goes he
goes by right now, the American Dragon obviously, And then
the second one I would have to pick would be Ray.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Mysterio because he personally was a big inspiration.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
He was the first wrestler I ever watched, and when
I saw him, a guy his size do the things
he was able to do, it made me think, hey,
maybe I can do that.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
You know, I want to be able.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
To be There's no maybe you can if you want
to papastrow am I correct, if you want to do it,
you can.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Right, Oh? Absolutely absolutely? And Ray.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I love Ray I got it was so great working
with him in w CW and and Mexico.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
When I first I saw him when I was restling.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
In Mexico, and I mean I know then he was
like super lightning quick. I remember a nightrope where he
was the main event with Scott Steiner for the world title.
I remember everybody just stopped in the locker room and
watched the monitor and watched those guys.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Going, and it was such it was like one of
the best.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Matches I ever seen on Nitro and and and Ray
and the matches he had with Dave Malenko and some
of the best loota doors like Psychosis and Eddie Guerrero
oh Mans, just phenomenal and one of the nicest, one
of the nicest guys this cod this day. So yeah, yeah,

(44:53):
remember Terry.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Funk, which I.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Popstro How can I ever forget Terry Funk his I
mean his brother. I got to see his brother beat
Boris Malenko for the World Heavyweight Championship in Charlotte. It
was unbelievable. Wow, there were fifty thousand people going crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I told him a while back I was going to
adopt him my uncle, so I always called him my
adopted uncle.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Terry because he's you always won it ring. But Terry
gave us some good advice one time.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
He says, for other others to believe in you, you
first have to believe in yourself. And that just rang
true in my mind so many years, and I always
tried to live by that motto.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Well, that's good, and Jesse, I don't normally give advice,
but I would say that might have been the best
wrestling advice in the world. Believe in yourself. And just
remember that when you get put up in a in
a souplex and you're like nine feet above the ground,
you just say, Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
That's how That's how it is. You gotta take the
punches as they come.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
That's exactly right. Well, I tell you what. First of all,
I love these scary casts where we have not only
the paranormal, but we have interesting people. And pap Astro,
I want to thank you so much. Anytime you are
on here. You were one of the most interesting people
that I know. I have been privileged. We have traveled

(46:42):
a lot of the Southeast and it's been the most
fun that my little heart could ever have just to
just be there with you and know what you have
done and know what your family has done, and it
has been a godsend to have you as a friend.
So first of all, Papa stro thank you for being
here today, and thank you for being one of the

(47:04):
best friends I could ever have.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
It's always a pleasure being here. And h Jesse, it's
a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Meeting you brother on here, and I wish you all
the best, man, I really do.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I would thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And likewise, well, I tell you, Jesse, it was wonderful.
And I'm gonna go ahead and ask you gonna come back.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Oh, one hundred percent, I'd be happy to.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Well sure. I mean you know, by the way, if
I don't ask you back, you're not welcome back. If
I ask you back, we can't wait to have you, Okay.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
All right, great, well, hopefully i'll hear some news then.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
All right, I'll be doing a quick call around right
after the show. And first of all, Jesse thank you
for being here. You're you are one of the futures
and the hopes of great wrestling. Do you agree, Papa Strow,
we need to have more. We're great people that are
gung ho like Jesse.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, Dad definitely need more like Jesse. Yeah, you know,
you that cup of your new T shirt. You can,
like you know in the gimmick table, be more like Jesse.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, that could be something.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Yeah, you better be You better be careful.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm writing that down absolutely well.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
You know, as long as you got the fire and
the desire like a dragon, than anything is possible.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
But you better be careful. You better do a good
job of throwing me in that damn coffin.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Oh, don't you worry.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
The doctor versus the dragon Heart is gonna happen and
you better watch it.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay, that's good, that's great. You better be careful. I
might know a few secrets you don't. I used to
put my dad in the figure four leg of a
lock and he would scream, but he loved it because
he knew that I thought it was great. So well, anyway,
first of all, Jesse, thank you so much. It was
great having you here. Papastrow. What can I say, I'll

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see you tomorrow. I'll come up and see you tomorrow,
and I can't wait to see you. And it's just
gonna be wonderful. And I'm so glad that you're back
here in North Carolina, near where I am in South Carolina,
and we're in Papa Strow. We're gonna do a lot
of great things. We're gonna do a fishing with friends.
We're gonna do great things together. So are you on board?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I'm ready. Let's go.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
All right, buddy, we'll see you there. Thanks to everybody.
It was wonderful and I'll tell you what. We'll see
you next time on Scary Cast. Take care, everybody, say goodbye.