March 12, 2025 • 55 mins
NEW!! ScaryCast WEEKEND presents Dr. John Stamey talking with Flat Earth Leader Mark Sargent!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good evening in life from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. This
is doctor John Stamy with another edition of Scary Cast.
We have one of our favorite guests back with us.
He because he has so many interesting things to talk about.
It is the one and only Mark Sargeant. He's from
the West Coast now used to be in the Colorado area.
(00:23):
Now he's in the West Coast and doing great things
for the Flat Earth Society and lots of other things. Mark,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I am doing well and thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh, I'm always glad to have you as we are
as we move forward to some other great events coming
up later this year. So as I spoke to you
in the green room, and this is something that I
always like to ask somebody that I have on somewhat regularly. Okay,
your field is the flat Earth? And what are some
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of the latest advances and thoughts in the flat Earth?
Because I know some people holdheartedly believe in it, some
people don't know. Some people say no, it's not real.
And I like to get your perspective and then I'll
share my perspective and we'll just go from there.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sure, right now, as far as the physical advances go.
You know, they didn't take ten years. You know, it's
not like we're doing new things every every year, but
we've been really focusing on galvanizing the community if all possible.
You know, Flat Earth has developed and become so broad
that we actually have factions that are at odds with
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each other. And you know, it's much like the you know,
the Scottish Highland clans where you know, I try to
remind people which is a yeah, of course, you know
this clan is against this clan. But in the end,
we all hate the English, right, we all we all
want to band together against the globe. And that's what
it really boils down to for all of us. It's like, yes,
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you know this this group doesn't has a problem with
the dome. This group doesn't. This person has a problem
with the sun. This person doesn't. But at the same time,
at the end, it doesn't matter because it's not a globe.
That that's our are always been our main argument. But
when again, like with anything, when you when you grow
to such a size, people forget what the where the
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origins came from. And that's been kind of the theme
for me this year because the flat the fliers community.
We're in turn ten years old, the Flat Earth Clues
turn ten years old, not a coincidence, and as of
February tenth, the Flat Earth Clues are now officially ten
years old. YouTube sent me a thing. Hey, by the way,
you have your first video that has ten year anniversary.
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It's like, oh, fantastic, and that happened to be one
of my favorite things. So that's that's really what we've
been focusing on so much, not as many as the
physical things, but the community at large.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, that's great. What are some of the differences that
the different best terrible grammar, but what are some the
difference is the different groups or factions have in the
flat Earth community.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh okay, let's start with the obvious. The biggest difference
would be dome versus no dome, which is which we
talked about in Behind the Curve of the documentary and
other programs We've been talking about literally for a decade,
which is, are we living in a literal snow globe
where you know, a dome like structure like a Truman show,
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like a planetarium, like a sound stage, or are we
And that would be say, seventy percent of the community
and then the other thirty percent would be, oh no,
it's still flat, but it is, but it's open. It's
an infinite plane, and there is no dome. And as
much as I appreciate those people, you know, the we'll
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say less than thirty percent who believe that that there
is no dome, it's like, okay, I know why. First off,
they don't like being hemmed in. You know, they don't
like they only being fenced in by anything. They feel
it it's restrictive them. It's like, yeah, okay, I understand that,
But then you're gonna have to deal with the whole
vacuum versus gravity problem, which is the vacuum of space.
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If you believe in space which is completely empty, no
pressure at all, next to a pressurized system, which is
what we're breathing in now, which is eighty percent nitrogen
and twenty percent oxygen. Well, when those two meet each other,
they're instantly equalized. And if you have a very very
very big check vacuum chamber, basically that vacuum chamber just
sucks it off and turns it into nothing. So they'd
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have to deal with that. The dome people, they have
no problem. I am, of course one of the dome people.
I've got models setting around me that have domes on them,
and various snow globe type things, which I believe in
for various reasons. One because vacuum versus the vacuum, space
versus gravity, and they call it air pressure for a reason, right,
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and they call it you know, doesn't it make more
sense that you've heard the term greenhouse gases if it's
an actual greenhouse. You know, people talk about greenhouse gases,
but they leave out them most important part, which is like, Okay,
what what happens when the greenhouse gases get to the top.
They said, well, it just stays there. I go as
opposed to going off into space. Nobody wants to Nobody
wants to touch it. I I've asked scientists for years
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and years. It's like, what happens at the bleeding edge
of space? What happens where our atmosphere ends and space begins.
Nobody in science wants to talk about it. They just
make this massive resubmbs so well, nothing happens. It just
sits there. It's like, that's not how it works. Do
you know anything about physics? That's not how it works. Sorry,
long answer to that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
One no no good answer.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Other other ants, other other differences in the Flighters community.
I'm gonna be gentle with this one, which is biblical
versus non biblical. You know our early conferences, half the
half community strong Christians, the other half not as strong.
We'll just call them strong Christians versus agnostic. Well, that
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tends to divide the community because after the first conference,
when we were doing the feedback canvas, people are saying
half the people said it was too Christian, the other
half said it wasn't Christian enough. And so it's like, okay,
what do we do. So we go to the next
conference and we have to make separate down stages. And
it's not like that they don't talk to each other.
I mean we're talking the same people, the Christian versus
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non Crusier. They'll still go to the bar and hang
out together and talk, which is wonderful. Other little differences
would be you know what is gravity? That's always a
fun one. Some people say, well, it's all just buoyancy
and density. It's not gravity. Gravity doesn't exist at all.
The other people say, well, gravity's got to be something.
I'm one of those gravity it's got to be something people.
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And again the community factors into that because at the
end of the day and the conferences is like a
microcosm of what it is in real life. We don't
have battles at conferences. Ever, everybody couldn't be better friends,
which is wonderful why the community keeps growing. The conflicts
are minor and it's only talking points. It's only something
that they debate over over beer. It's like, well, this
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is what this is in there, and at the end
they toast their glasses. It's like, well, at least it's
not a globe, cheers and then they move on, which
is why we've done hundreds of meetups. I can't tell
you how many conferences in different countries US a lot
of them. I haven't even been to them. And we've
never had an incident where the only incidents every once while,
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some globe will try to poke their head, you know,
globalist will try to come in there and and feel
the room out. It's like they realize they're heavily outnumbered,
and then and then they go away. But it is
it is a wonderful thing to watch. So, yes, there
are differences, and you know, we can go on the
finer points of those if you wants.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But still the differences are only talking points. They are
not ideology blockages where people it's like, well, I can't
talk to you. You're a domer. You know, we don't
have those T shirts, you know, domer versus non domer.
You know, you don't see anyone you know, pointing at
a at a snow globe going this is what it is,
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and you're ignorant for you know, no, no, we start
with the premise, thank goodness, we start with the premise
that it is not a globe, and nobody you know,
that's where you that's where it is. It's like, you know,
the bottom line, the lowest common denominator answer is well,
it's not a globe, and then you work your way
from there. Sorry, let me get into that really quick,
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which is it's no different than the truth or community.
If it's a common question. I asked Truthers, I say, okay,
tell me what your top ten most important secret societies
are in order of importance. And you know, you know
everything from the Builderbergs, the Rothschild's, the councilor Foreign Relations,
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the Trilaterals, the Masons, some sort of Jewish cabal and
so on, and so on. It never ends the Vatican.
Which one's the most important, which one's the second. And
you could ask all sorts of people in the truth community,
and you write that, you know, quietly to themselves. Write
these lists down and compare these lists. They will all
be different, all of them. And that's the point, right.
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You don't know who the top of the food chain is.
I mean, I've got my suspicions, but I can't prove it.
But at the end of the day, there's still all truthers,
which is wonderful. You know. They argue about you know who.
You know, it's like, no, man, you got to focus
on the Masons. It's like, no, man, you got to
focus on you know, the Jewish Cabal or whatever it is.
And they'll go off in their tangents. But in the
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end we're still We're still looking to figure out what
this all is. And I enjoy every aspect of it.
I love opening minds. In fact, yesterday, sorry, I let
me go up in a tangent really quick because it's relevant.
Sure I did it. Did the Deaftnes rock band from
the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh goodness, yes, we love the deaf Tones.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh cool? Well, they're touring right now. Really, they just
started out their tour Tuesday. They were in Portland, Oregon,
and then yesterday they were in Seattle. And the lead
guitarist for the Deaft Tones, Stephen Carpenter, he's one of ours.
He's absolutely a flat earther. In fact, I've got a
flat Earth hoodie sitting back there that he gave me
on the on the tour bus. And you know, I
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went down and saw him. Sometimes I get a day
of free before the show, and so I went down
and saw down at his tour bus. We just hun
hung out and talked for hours and hours about shop.
And then yesterday it was a concert, so I went
down there with a group of people because like, yeah,
I don't want to waste this opportunity. Grab some some
younger people that really really uh, you know, love music
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even more than I do. And when you sit down,
you know, very impressionable. So when you sit down with
you know, an actual rock star and he starts throwing
down stuff at you and you know, giving you the
flat earth stuff. And he's also a big big Foot fan,
by the way, huge Bigfoot fan. Yeah, yeah, and his
logo you know what, let me grab it really fast.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Okay, and so that you know Mark, Mark has just
left his seat and he has gone to get something
that he's going to show us. Hello, Mark Sargeant, glad
to have.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Me this cool Flat Earth the Flat Earth or hoodie, right,
that's his brand. He actually sells these. But he also
gave me his logo. And you'll like these these are
bigfoot skeletons. So that's him. But it's a bigfoot skeleton
and uh, it's that's part of his that's part of
the thing. He has different colors for every city he
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goes on tour. And what he does, it's like, well,
why does he do this? Well, because he used to
be a skateboarder back in the day. And he'll take
these stickers and he'll he'll tag whatever around the events center.
You know, he'll stop signs and park benches and stuff
with these stickers and then hopefully they look the stuff up. Anyway,
it's really really cool, love what he does. But the
point was is this, This is how this how stuff
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spreads and gets out there. So I bring the bring
the girls into the the tour bus. It's just him
and me and them, and we talk shop for a
while and he's dropping knowledge, right, and and he gets
into the whole flatter thing, and you know, again they're
starstruck the you know, they really dig it, and so
what he thing? You know, it's got that. You know
they're gonna go. They work. They work at a nail salon,
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right and you know those go that is a hub
of information, your local nail salon.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Oh okay, every.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Client is gonna come in here and hear this story.
And now they're gonna, you know, be exposed to some
of the truth or community. And this is how knowledge
gets dropped, you know, innostantly, you know. But again, you
have a captive audience. You have people getting their nails done.
They are going to listen to whatever you're gonna say,
especially you have pictures to back it up. So sorry,
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there you go. That's my interesting story of the week.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, no, no, that's a great story. I've got a
number of things they don't want to ask you about.
Let me let me write down the last the last one,
because because I'll tell you what I whenever you talk,
there is something about hanging out with you that just
puts great thoughts in my head. Number one, and in
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case our listeners don't know. I run the Georgia Bigfoot Conference.
We have an average four hundred and fifty to five
hundred people there. The way I approach it, I have
seen bigfoot four times. So it's like, don't get into
an argument with me about the existence of bigfoot. I mean,
I'll just cut you down the size because I know
what I've seen my time. That's what happened on my timeline.
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I was sitting there, you know, my first story. I'm
sitting there in a house, we're eating lunch about three
o'clock on Saturday afternoon, and a big foot comes walking
by the window. I mean I jumped and ran outside
as quickly as I could, and they weren't there. But
I know what I saw that. You can't tell me
that bigfoot doesn't exist. I'll tell you and I don't
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you know, And I'm very sorry. I'm opinionated. I don't
tolerate if you tell me something is false that I
know is true. I don't take it very well because,
first of all, that's kind of how I was trained.
I was trained at North Carolina State University. That's where
I got my doctorate. They said, we don't care what
you believe as long long as you prove it. Don't
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you think that's a great algorith on thinking that that
is science to the max. So I'll go ahead and
bring up a tone that that I have brought up
with everybody is science and science reporting. If you can't guess,
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I'm going to talk about the nineteen fifty seven Encyclopedia
Britannica which states that there is a permanent and he
gives a height. I don't remember what it was. I
think it's thirty thousand feet at the top.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Sure, and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
There in lies a problem. Nobody seems to know anybody
that's gone up that far. They don't. All we do
is we have reporting. We have news organizations that are
owned for profit. Their job is to make a profit.
Their job is not to report the news. Now do
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you find that to be an upsetting statement? I mean,
that's what I've seen in my short life.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
No, it's not upsetting at all. Power corrupts. We all
know that, and no one is fully immune from that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Right, I mean, I mean the point is they're not
going to report something that contradicts mainstream whatever, even though
mainstream is wrong. I mean, let's all remember the Galileo
was put in jail for four years because he said
the Jupiter had four moons around it. I mean, he
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was put in jail. What he's wrong? Has thirty seven
or something right? And I mean, you know people have
been persecuted and killed for simply stating the truth. Right now,
I want to get to the bottom of this flat
earth thing, and I don't think we're even close, because
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what happened in the nineteen sixty issue of the Encyclopedia Britannica,
all that stuff about the firmament was out of there. Now,
I wonder who took that out? That was all that
all came right after the International geofiscal year, and there
was a lot and you know, it was real funny.
I was reading some stuff on Admiral Richard Bird, who's
truly one of my heroes, who found out a lot
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of things that a lot of people found very difficult
to understand. And he was told to be quiet by
the FEDS. That's what he wanted to talk about about
the amazing discoveries that he made at the South Pole.
We don't really you know, you remember he did have
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an amazing press conference after he had come back from
the South Pole, right, you know, the press conference in Chile.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, it's like, boy, they didn't want that to
get out. We don't know what got out because we
didn't speak the language, and that was before we had
a good recording of it. We don't know what he said. Well,
we know he was told to be quiet because he
was talking about things. We've got this ice wall, you know,
and he starts out like that, and that's all I know.
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So my goodness, you know, I want to get to
the bottom of this. What is the firmament? Well, I
have a feeling the firmament has something to do with this,
this radiation belt up there. I truly believe that. Now
I don't know what you believe, but I think there
are certain there's certain problems in the I guess that's
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word is the geography of our earth.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Even Tesla one of the you know, truly the smartest
man of the previous century, and even Tesla said, the
Earth's not a globe, it's a it's a domain. And
and we never heard it. We never got to the
bottom that I wish we had. I really, I really,
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I mean, you know, all of his documents were confiscated, right,
So I mean, I really I really wish I had known.
And the fact is, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go
back to eighteen ninety there used to be an element
called the ether and that got dropped from from the
periodic table. Why nobody seems to know it just got dropped.
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Do you have the answer?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And there is.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It doesn't exist. I don't think. I mean you have to.
You're gonna have to prove it to me. So anyway,
that's just those are some of the there's some fundamental
questions that know that these so called scientists that get
grants from the National Science Foundation don't want to start
trying to answer. And I know it's the pressure of
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the universities wanting them to bring in millions of dollars
worth of grants. That's all it is. Sure, I'll tell
you if I'm sorry. Whenever I get you on here,
I like to tell you my stories.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I used to teach at a very mid level university,
and I was getting my doctorate at North Carolina State
and I made my way over to the Rhyan Research Center,
the Rhyan Institute of Parapsychology, where they study my favorite
science topic, parapsychology. I got to know all the researchers.
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I got to know all the superstars of the parapsychological world,
the people really studying this thing. And I'll never forget
my boss called, we had this thing called the Celebration
of Inquiry, and I had put in that I was
going to. I brought doctor Sally Ryan Feather, that's jb
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Ryan's daughter, to be one of the keynote speakers of
the Celebration of Inquiry. I thought that was a pretty
progressive thing for me to do. So what did I
want to do. I wanted to do an ESP experiment
as the presentation before her talk. Are you familiar with
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the Zener Cards?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The Xenier cards are those It's a deck of cards
that has a circle, a square, a star, a triangle,
and they use it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's the sensory cards.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
They call them the ESP cards. So what I wanted
to do is I wanted to get ten students to
come up on stage, and I wanted to do two
runs of the Xener cards. So you go through them once,
then you go through them again, and then what I
wanted to do was see how the students did to
see who exhibited the ability to I'll just say guess
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the cards correctly versus those that didn't, and then I
was going to kind of interview them because that is
a scientific experiment that's been done since nineteen thirty six
doctor jb Ryan at Duke University. I mean, Duke University
is not a little fly by night institution. Is one
of the greatest schools in the world. And this is
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what they were doing in nineteen thirty six. And my
boss called me into his office. It was in December,
because the celebration was the first week of February. He said, John,
the dean called me into his office instead that if
you go through with that experiment as a presentation for
the celebration of inquiry, you will be fired. I said, really, so,
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since I want you to be the next chairman of
the department, please don't do it. You know, he was
a good guy, and he truly believed in a lot
of the things that I believe in because he was
a scientist PhD. From pursuit, I mean, you know, not
an inconsequential university. So I mean he believed that there
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were out there that scientists didn't want to talk about.
But that that was the reception that I got in
doing a classical psychological experiment in front of maybe two
hundred people and talk about when did this develop? Who
developed these cards? You know, there's a lot of learning.
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This goes into the history of psychology. And I was
going to try to teach people something and I was
told I'd get fired. Now, don't you find that rather provincial?
That's kind of like telling Galileo he's going to go
to jail because he sees the Jupiter as four moons.
Right to find a similarity between those two things, I mean, why,
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you know why? So that's that's what I'm saying is
we still don't exactly live in a time where scientific
research is free because you come up with something. I mean, okay, yeah,
late at night I watch Facebook, and Facebook tends to
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cater the videos that they send to me based on
what I like, what I really like, not my during
the day stuff. They send me parapsychology. At night, they
send me the Ananaki. At night they send me the Tartarians.
And I mean, you know, this is stuff. I find
it wild as all get out, but I want to
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know the truth, Mark Sergeant. And for some reason they
relegate my truth to eleven PM to about four am,
because not everybody else. So I guess what I'm leading
to is there are there is a culture that wants
to know the truth. And number one, don't you agree
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that all the people that study the flat earth go
to conferences and everything they want to know what the
truth is?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, yes they do.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Therefore, what I would say is they're superior to those
that don't because they want to know the truth. All right,
It's like I want to know the truth. I've got
a recent interest. Are you familiar with the Tartarians?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And the problem with the Tartarian theories is that we
really don't know what year we're in, right, I mean,
the Catholic Church changed the year so that a particular
pope could become anointed in the year one thousand, So
all of a sudden, we lost thirty years from our
counting number of years. I mean, they don't talk about that,
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but there's apparently some evidence that that happened. And I've
got a variety of books that seem to give some
wonderful explanations of what we call impossible engineering, things that
really couldn't have been done. And we couldn't do today.
Did you know that most of the cathedrals in Europe
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could not have been built today? We couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I have heard things along those lines. Yes, have you
ever heard.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Of Salisbury Cathedral in England?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Not by name?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Go ahead, okay, yeah, you go to Salisbury. That building
is so high inside that it sometimes has clouds in
the very top. It is so tall. There's no other
building like that in the world. We never built anything
like that that. You know, you look up there and
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you see a little cloud. I've seen it, I mean,
and I tell this to people, Oh I've been there,
I never saw it. Well, you didn't have the right
tour guide, That's all I got to say. So there
are so many things that we don't know. And I
mean every day when I have guests on scary cast,
on this very show, and we talk about impossible engineering
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things that we see with their eyes, and we have
no idea how we could do it. I had a
very close friend explained to me what they said, what
the tour guide said in Egypt about the building of
the pyramids and these one hundred foot tall obelisks, And
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the explanation that I got was so preposterous. You want
to know that. You want to know what the explanation
for the pyramids are and how they got those massive,
gigantic blocks of stone up there. You want to know this.
You're gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, they built ramps.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And they walked them up. Yeah, please, you know, please
explain that to me. And and you know, and everybody,
everybody wants why is it, whether you're talking about flat
earth or building the pyramids or anything, when you aren't
pointing these things out? Why do people want to go
run and hide and change the subject. And please, I
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think you're a good guy to answer that question. Why
do they do that?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Denial is the most predictable human response that we have
out there. The five stages of acceptance is denial, anger, bargaining, depression,
and then finally acceptance. And denial is one of our
mental equivalents of fight or flight, which is you don't
want to deal with it, and so getting away from
it as fast as possible, and sometimes that means physically
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you just walk away from the conversation, or a lot
of times you just do anything you can to change
the subject, deflect, distract, anything you can to do it.
And we've seen it. We call it glitching sometimes in
our community, which is you hit somebody with something, they
can't refute it, and so they will just they'll just
freeze for a second and then they'll change over to
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something else. It's just like, well, what about this. It's like, really,
you don't want to address what I just said, No,
not at all. They just it's like they will not
do it. They can't And I don't blame them. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, and you know, here's what I'm now going to
say about you. Why is the guy that's one of
the most knowledgeable people in the world in the flat
Earth movement giving me a pure science explanation for my question.
You don't sound like any kind of a Charlottean to me.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
No, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
By the way, I don't knowledge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Go ahead. Yeah, I've never really come off as a
con man. I mean I have. Have. I done a
lot of work in high stress tech support, Yes, I have,
which is why nothing really rattles me anymore. But at
the same time, look, I love knowledge as much as
the next person. We're talking over the fruits of science
right now, the technology that we've built. Look, I was
(28:52):
a tech geek I was an it guy for a while.
I was in the gaming world. I still love giving,
I love everything that's about science. I just complain every
once in a while that look, science slips into scientism
like anything else. They have taken their authority and they
take it too far and people people don't really recognize it.
They all we haven't gotten to the point now where
(29:14):
if you wear a lab coat you're considered more intelligent
than the person next to you. And we've proven this.
You can. You can try it. Try handing out flyers
on a busy street corner. It's tough to do. Go
on that same street corner, put on a lab coat,
hold it empty clipboard. People will walk up to you
for no apparent reason at all and say, hey, smart person,
(29:34):
who I don't know, what are you doing? You know?
Hit me with some knowledge. So yeah, it's they've taken
it too far.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Oh wow, that's that's great. Well, then I'm gonna be
going tomorrow to uh the main paranormal conference in Savannah, Georgia,
which you know is most the most haunted town in
America according to a lot of people. Okay, so if
I go there with a shirt and a town and
walking with a briefcase. You're you're you're saying that I
will have more questions that if I walk in with
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my normal plaid shirt and my long air.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The uniform. Look, I've done videos on this where the
uniform subconsciously we have done. There's certain things you're like, uh,
fire fireman, you know, the whole bravery rescue outfit, policemen, paramedics,
you name it. The uniform that you know, the way
they say the clothes make the man. And that's literal sometimes,
(30:29):
which is it doesn't mean you know, it's what we
do in movies and television. That's why you put costumes
on people, everything from stage plays to two major motion pictures,
and it carries across. The lab coat inspires intelligence and
it always has. Why when you see, you know, all
the doctor's commercials, right, whatever you're pushing, I don't care
if it's pharmaceuticals or whatever, they're wearing the lab coat, right,
(30:53):
And which is the cliche line. I'm not I'm not
a doctor, but I play one on TV. It works.
I get it, It absolutely works, so and you know
people aren't going to really snap out of it. My
complaint is is that you take it too far, you're
not supposed to treat it like it's real. You know
that the lab coat means whatever you say is gospel,
(31:16):
and they get away with it. And by the way,
let me back up real quick, because I wanted to
bring this up. There was are you were talking. The
quote you mentioned was as long as you can prove it,
you can you can believe in whatever you want. I
love that because there are so many times that science
and scientism has ignored that, you know, in one of
(31:38):
your favorite things, I'm sure is cryptozoology, and it happens
all the time. Again, the giant panda was a myth.
The giant and a conda, the giant squid. They were
all myths because science refuse to blitz, like, get one
on a lab table. Maybe then you know, well we
can talk, and then we bring in the platypus, right,
the platypus, which is made up of so many different
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animals that even when it was alive walking around on
the lab table in front of them, they refused to
believe it for a while because they thought someone had
had stitched this thing together and it was like blinking
at them and making noises. It's like, no, it's right,
there in front of you, and they could not deal
with it because they couldn't explain it. So, yes, your
your quote about if you can prove it, it doesn't
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matter what you believe it. If you can pull it off,
then more power to you. Love that quote.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I will never forget. At North Carolina State University, I
ejected a member of my doctoral committee. He said, well,
what you're gonna you know, you have to go around
and interview these cats and get it. Get four of
them on your on your committee. And now I went
to one and I said, he said, all right, what
are you gonna do? I said, what I'm gonna do
is I'm going to prove that online learning can be
(32:50):
better and more successful than listening to someone talk. Of course,
you know what he said, we can't. I said, okay, great,
and I never never called him back. I mean, of
course I was successful. I had a successful dissertation defense.
I did prove that. I proved how you can do it.
(33:12):
It's real funny. About two years later, several companies in
the research triangle part came out with my product. I
never thought that that would be a good product, but
they apparently didn't. They made millions of dollars off my
doctoral dissertation.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You better be.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Careful when you do good research. Somebody's will make money
off of it. And there you might you might want
to go patent everything that you do. But there you go.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And it was that's a story from my deep dark past.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, no, no, I like it because it reminds me
of you know again, I give I give credit to
intelligent people where it's due, which is if your intelligent enough, Yes,
your ideas are worth money, or your ideas your mind
has a dollar value. People forget that. After World War
Two during an operation paper Clip, not a conspiracy. You
(33:58):
can look it up all day long, and the Russians
and the Americans split the Nazi scientists into factions like, Okay,
you guys are coming over to America and you guys
are gonna come over to Russia. Well, what you're saying,
I'm saying that is when you have a certain intelligence level,
your ideas are have a dollar value attached to them.
Therefore you are exempt from war crimes. You're exempt for
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many these guys should have been strung up or whatever, imprisoned.
Oh no, no, no, no, you're going directly into the private
sector and some of the government sector, and you will
create asset. And the same thing over on the Russians.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, your name is Werner von Braun and Braun.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's like that man and he met presidents all the
way up until he died. And it's like, why well,
because he was one of the heads of the Nazi
missile program, the rocket program.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Exactly he was. And he was a rocket scientist.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Absolutely rocket scientist. It's like, and it's hypocritical, but you
get it, which is like, look, if you're really, really smart,
you're an asset. We're not getting rid of you. Are
you kidding? It's like you're worth something to us. You know.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's really funny. But I like the WI files. Are
you familiar with the WI files?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I am familiar with the WI files.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
About a third of the time, they'll be talking about
a scientific development over there in Russia and then they'll say,
and you know what. In nineteen eighty three, doctor Kazurev
was about to unveil his brand new machine, and the
little fish says, did he die? Yes, he did the
(35:34):
day before, and they just they just took all his research.
You know that they can do whatever they want. But
the fact is people are killed because of their inventions
and research. That's I guess that's why we don't Okay, Oh,
I hope that the men in black aren't going to
come to my door. But I mean that's the reason
we don't have a water powered car. They're out there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yep, the bat didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean, I don't want to mess with water powered car.
You know, you know, you know, go gasoline, gasoline, that's
fond of me.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And I'm just when the system is built on a
certain thing, you can't introduce. Look, I no offense. But
the people guys that work on water power cars, they've
got they're in a tough spot because I know that
they have lofty ideas. It's like, look, we could change
civilization as we know it. We could change all sorts stuff.
It's like, yes, you know that, and the powers that
(36:29):
be know this as well. But if they don't want
to change it, well, then you are now a hurdle
they have to deal with. And so yes, when the
story is about you know guys that make inventions that
all of a sudden, either the ventions disappear or absorbed
into something else.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Or or they disappear or they.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Disappear, because again, there are some people. I don't want
to discount this. There are some people that can't be bought.
I'll use the rock concert reference because I'm still in
rock concert mode, which is you everyone's gone to a
concert and done the same thing. You stand in a
big line, and there's always somebody that's walking the lines,
like anyone want to sell tickets. Anyone want to sell tickets, right,
(37:08):
And most people don't, but a few people do. That
guy never get skunked ever, I've never seen it happen.
Somebody a group of five people, you know, it's like
all of war is like how much? Yeah? Friend, man,
it's like a thousand dollars, like I could use the bread.
And the next thing you know, that guy's gone. It's like,
didn't you want to go to this concert for like
four months? Like yeah, man, but I got bills to pay.
(37:28):
Apply that to anything that you want. And people, some
people can't be bought, but some people can't. I don't know.
You could say, well you can't put a price on
truth and stuff like that, and there are some people
and in that case it's like, well there's still a problem.
So sometimes they just don't come back home anymore, and
we don't know what happened to them, or we do
(37:49):
know what happened to them.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
So and I think my favorite moral of the story,
one of the people that I respect more than anyone
else in the last century was JP Morgan. The man
knew how to make money sure, and he is the
only human being whose name is on two New York
Stock Exchange corporations, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan Chase. I mean,
(38:11):
obviously he is. He is the god of making money, right.
And so we come to the Nikolay Tesla's story with
JP Morgan about Wardencliffe Tower and free energy. It was
a wonderful idea and JP Morgan pulled all of his
financing right. Well, A lot of people don't know that
(38:31):
he owned nie Grim Mohawk Power. That was directly that
was directly a strategic bottleneck for his power company. Come on,
and you know, no harm, no foul. I mean, Tesla
didn't die from that. I don't know where he got
it from, but you know, so you know, you got
(38:52):
people it's for financial gain. I mean, that's what the
world has come down to. And you know, maybe it's
what's the phrase. Maybe it has to do with the
Oh what am I trying to say? Maybe it's the
survival of the fittest.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, well you're old enough to know. I mean, people
do funny things for money, always always have money talks.
It's not just an ac DC song. It's that satting
has been around for a long, long long time. And
while hell I I take it, I take it back
to the uh is an age old scientific question, which
(39:32):
is what is the most common emotional state of people?
Is it fear or is it laziness? Tough one, because
you both could apply. And when it comes to money,
money allows you to be lazy more than anything. If
you have money, you don't have to do a damn
thing if you don't want to, you know it, send
the couch and do nothing.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
And so yeah, well, I guess I'm I'm really weird
because I would I would use it to fund more research.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I wouldn't say you're weird. But the common man, the
common you know, the general public, they tend to find
they got that herd mentality, you know, throw throw a
pile of money from a building into the street and
watch what happens. You know, find me, find me the
guy on the side of the street. It's like, yeah,
not interested. No, you're gonna have people that are punching
each other that stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, I don't know. I guess I know I'm weird.
I would, but I would enjoy doing that because I
want to know the truth. I want to know why.
I want to know where the firmament went between the
nineteen fifty seven issue of Encyclopedia Britannica, the a edition
for Antarctica, where it went between nineteen fifty seven and
nineteen sixty Mark where did it go?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well, it went to the same place that a lot
of the things did, because those years that you're mentioning
critical things happened between nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty.
In nineteen fifty eight, that is when the high altitude
atomic weapons testing program started between the United States and
the Soviet Union. And the people don't forget remember that
(41:08):
from fifty eight until the beginning of sixty two, if
I'm not mistaken, all atomic testing were rockets that were
going straight up. That's all they were doing, were shooting
these things into the sky, which was interesting. And after
the first few shots in nineteen fifty nine, that's when
NASA was founded, and you know, and and shortly after
(41:28):
that the atomic weapons testing program was ramped down from
megatons into lokilotons. And also in nineteen fifty nine was
when the I'm sorry, no sorry NASA was founded in
fifty eight. The Van Allen radiation Belts we pronounced in
nineteen fifty nine, long where you are. And the Antarctic
Treaty was first ratified in nineteen fifty nine, locking down the.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Right because that was right after the international geofiscal year,
which was over in fifty seven, then we had a
year for policy to be developed. Then came the Antarctic Treaty. Amazing,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, coincidence that the Antarctic Treaty, which locks down the
outside of the world, and the Van Allen radiation Belts
was just big warning signs they never ever go up.
There were announced in the same year, which are exactly
what you would do if you finally decided it's like, okay,
this this world is some sort of stage, you know,
some sort of building, and you needed to keep people
(42:25):
away from, you know, the vertical and the horizontal extremes,
and it's like, yeah, no accidents there. And then of course,
the atomic weapons program, the above ground aerial bursts were
finally shut down, I believe at the beginning of sixty two.
So yes, as far as the encyclopedia, that's that was
relatively small. I equate that to the same thing as
(42:47):
the recent You can go on a Google now, you know,
change you the Gulf of Mexico coke to the Gulf
of America, which is quietly gonna, you know, get rid
of that which everybody knew for how long we have
the Gulf of Mexico on maps? So long? And now
that's gone, that is moving forward, that's not even gonna
be there anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I think that's that's an interesting little war between a
lot of people, because I don't think we ever ratified
any treaty that said it was the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Did we No, No, But remember we weren't truly a
country yet. If I'm not mistaken, when the Gulf of
Mexico is named, because well it's next to Mexico, and
America early wasn't any sort of major power, so it's
just throw that name out there. Why why you know,
why why wouldn't you that Mexico had been there? For
a while. They don't necessarily lay claim to it. But
(43:39):
it's like it was just kind of a throwaway thing.
We got to call it something. So what do you
call it?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, you could have called it the Gulf of Mississippi
because the Mississippi empties into the gulf. Or you could
call it the Gulf of Louisiana because of the louis
Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I mean, no, those are larger. That's great, And I
hadn't even thought of that. I may steal that for
future things, please do. I hadn't thought of that until
just now, which is which is yes, it had. In fact,
had the politicians been more proactive, they were probably distracted
with other things Mississippi and Louisiana. But yeah, yeah, that
would do it. Yeah, well, in fact, Gulf of Louisiana
(44:16):
makes a lot more sense. In fact, had that happened
long ago, they would have never changed it to Gulf
of America. It would have always been in Gulf of Louisiana.
So yeah, that's good. I like it.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, you know, it would look thank you very much.
You know, I just tend to enjoy talking and sometimes
you know, if I figured that if you say enough verbiage,
you'll come up with a couple of great things, and
then it'll come up with a couple of idiotic things,
and the rest of them will be in the middle.
But it's fun, and that's you know, it's funny. You
(44:47):
are truly one of my most enjoyable people to talk
to on a podcast, because really, I haven't had any
agenda other than the first question, and I've had a
lot of fun because you're you know, I'm going to
compliment you. You're one of the smart people that I know.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Oh, thank you, And it's.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Just it's fun to talk to somebody again. And in
my goodness, we're we're recording this. It's going to go
out there on our heart radio and you know, they'll
you know, ultimately be three or four, five hundred people
that listen to this thing, and they'll say, well, well,
that was certainly interesting. Nobody wanted to make fun of anybody. Well,
you know, you're not making fun of the fact that
I've seen Bigfoot four times, and I'm not making fun
(45:27):
of you because you say the world's flat.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think again, how can I make fun of anyone?
First of all, because if I start my day, you know,
looking at flat earth models, which are all around me
as we speak. Well, I don't have a leg to
stand on. I can't judge anybody anymore when it comes
to those beliefs, because beforehand, yeah I might, I might,
you know, get the hell out of here, you know,
that sort of thing. But when I realized, when I
(45:51):
was making the clues that I had friends that were
convinced that the royal family were made up of lizard people,
and I would say, yeah, that's how it's pretty interesting,
what about flat Earth? And then it's like, yeah, I
don't want to talk to you anymore. And we were
talking about you just talked. You were talking about lizard people,
and I'm the crazy one. And so I have learned
over the years to no matter what it is, it's like, yeah,
(46:14):
you know what, sure, I'll give you some time. Now.
Do I think that you know, it's big for one
of my favorites, it's not bad. Do I think that
Elvis is still alive?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Probably not. But then I could go into the Locknest Monster.
I'll go on a rant and pound people into the
ground and say no, I think Locknest Monster is actually
really probable, and uh, and I'll go into it as
far as why so, no, man, I love I love
open minded conversations because it takes you places that the
average people on the street wouldn't do. You know what,
(46:46):
average people in the street. You heard it millions of times.
It starts out with either well, it starts out with
the weather, and then it goes into local filling your
sports team, then followed by fill in your local or
national politics, and that's how goes.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And it's so funny that you mentioned the loch Ness
monster because tomorrow when I am in Savannah, yeah, I'm
going to be promoting the Ghosts and Legends concert Ghosts
and Legends Conference that I'm going to be holding in Brunswick, Georgia,
and the star of it is a sea monster named
(47:22):
all to Mahaha's been reported since eighteen thirty, I mean
thousands of reports, and it's just amazing. I mean, the
things out there. We don't know how many there are
out there. I say they're probably more than one, sure.
But it's so funny you mentioned the lock Nest Monster.
(47:43):
We're talking about a real lock Mess monster here that's
about six hours south of me.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Why wouldn't there be One of my favorite arguments that
I throw in the face of science all the time
and they can't touch me. Is the seal of caantfish.
I love that fish so much, even though it's ugly.
You know coe L A c A and T H
celacamp la.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, will tell me about it now, Mark, tell me
about that. I want to hear about this ugly, ugly fish.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It has been around for a long time, a bunch
of extra flippers and or fins and you know, sharp
teeth and everything. And this fish has been dead for
at least seventy million years. We know this because the
fossil records, and every scientist would have bet the freaking
farm on it. That has been extinct for seventy million years,
(48:31):
every single one of them. And then in nineteen forty,
the British Navy caught one in a net off of
South Africa, right and set it back to their scientists
grow like, nope, you're mistake, and you're absolutely screwed up.
It's like the British military really made a discovery will
a really weird fish and you're not gonna buy it.
Then they found another one off of Mozambique, another one
off of Madagascar, and it turns out they're swimming all
(48:54):
over Africa as we speak right now. The question is
is that how did science get absolutely freaking wrong, which
is you said that fish was stone cold in the ground,
fossilized dead. Every one of you said that, and nobody
and so and to the point where it took years
for them to just keep sending these dead fish and
(49:16):
some maybe finally some live back to England or wherever
the science academy were, and finally they realized it. And
so what's the point. My point is when someone says, oh,
the lock Nest monster, that's that's ridiculous. I go, why,
it's because it's been extinct for at least one hundred
million years. And I go, oh, you mean like that
fish over there? That fish, right, and and it's like
and they're like, ok we were wrong about the fish.
(49:38):
It's like, okay, so you were wrong about the fish,
but you're pretty solid that there's no there's nothing else
older swimming around in the oceans. I mean, come on,
we talk about the Great white shark how many times
that it's never had to evolve and it's you know,
it's millions and millions of years old, and you know,
in terms of its lineage, so it kills me again.
It goes into cryptozoology, which is they don't believe it
(50:00):
until they actually see it, and even then they have
problems with it. So the Lockness Monster. When I was
a kid, it was like, oh, it was a smiling
little fantasy story. But now, oh no, no. And by
the way, I'm just picking on the Lockness Monster. Is
your point. There's all sorts of deep lakes and streams
in place where we have no idea what's going on
out there, absolutely no freaking idea. Well, yes we can
(50:21):
catalog stuff sure in there, but if it's rare, you're
not gonna find it. You're just not. I mean, the
billy ape we didn't find as lawyer like twenty fifteen.
It's a six foot chimp and they were really good
about avoiding people. So they finally, you know, some Aborigines
found one that fell out of a tree and died
and they drug it into their village. And the sinus
is like, what's that? That's the great talk about These
(50:42):
things are out here anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
You know. It's like I saw, I'm sorry, we can
be a little a little nasty, you know. It's like
big archaeology. They were certain that man evolved six thousand
years ago, and then they go over to Turkey and
they find go Beckley Tippy, which is twelve thousand years old, right,
and they had to unearth most of it before they
finally said, well, maybe you were wrong? Can you there
(51:07):
are other There are a lot of other ruins that
are out there that are maybe older than that, and
they are carbon dated. Is older than that, But the
big archaeology doesn't want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
No, no, no, yeah, it raises too many questions. Yeah, Quebec, sorry,
Quebec Ley Templey, Machu Picchu, Puma Punku and all that stuff.
You're absolutely right. I mean, there are still remnants of
civilizations all over the place that predate us, and there's
a huge gap between where we you know, fuzz out,
you know, five thousand years ago, give or take to
(51:42):
where these things pick up. It's like, okay, what happened,
you know, because it wasn't us? So who who are
these guys? You're right, and they don't want to talk
about it because they don't know where to start. Science
doesn't like putting question marks into books. They could do
things that the thing with the center of the earth
deepest hole ever drilled is less than ten miles, but
they've got perfect cross sections of the of the earth
going down four thousand miles. How do you know this? Well,
(52:04):
we don't really. Well, then why don't you put that
in the small print? And I've actually looked at some
of the old textbooks. It wasn't a small print, which
is like, well, this is kind of a we're kind
of guessing there. If you go into wiki, they say
the same thing. It's like, we don't know what's down
to the center of the earth. We're just kind of
guessing from volcanoes. We don't have a freaking clue, but
the people want us to take our best guess.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
So I have a feeling Yellowstone will blow up and
we'll all be gone and they'll still be saying they
really don't know why. So that's that's that's okay. Well, Mark,
it's as usual. It's been a lot of fun talking
to you. A little circle back around after this show,
and I want to have you on again and maybe
in about a month we're going to have a big
(52:46):
old announcement for everybody. I think you know what that is.
Does that sound like a fun idea?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
It sounds like a wonderful idea. I think a conference
that has to do with open minded people tied to
what I believe it, I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Well, I'm not going to allow anybody to be anybody
anywhere but open minded. And if they don't like it,
when they leave, I'll give I'll give them their fifty
dollars back they leave. You know, I don't. I don't
keep people around me like that. And everybody knows that
I'm serious, you know, because they're everything everything out there
that we cannot explain. Why do when I live in
(53:25):
a one bedroom apartment, why do I have a roommate?
His name is mister Mansfield, and he is the past
resident of this beautiful one bedroom condo, and he passed away.
And when I clean up the kitchen really good and
sit down in the living room, I hear somebody banging
around in my kitchen.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
And and you know what, someone said, aren't you scared?
I said, no, it actually makes me feel good that
I got somebody else here with me, you know, so whatever.
So yeah, I mean, you know, I live in a
world of ghosts, UFOs and Bigfoot and it's it's fun.
It makes the day go by better, and I think
your day goes by better when you think about wonderful
possibilities like the model of the flat Earth.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Indeed, indeed, I at least I.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Think our our world has changed to the fact that,
unlike Galileo, we're probably not going to get put into
jail for four years because we said that Jupiter doesn't
have four moons around it. There you so whatever, But anyway,
thanks a lot, Mark, it's been great having you on here.
We'll be in touch as we get these well laid
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out plans, and we'll make our announcement here in about
a month, probably right after the Georgia Bigfoot Conference, which
is the twenty first and twenty second of March, and
that's in Deemeorus, Georgia. At where's that that's at Piedmont University,
which is Greater Atlanta. I'm glad we finally made it
to Atlanta with our conferences. So Mark, Sergeant, thank you
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very much. You're always a wonderful guest, and thank you
all of you great scary asked listeners for listening to
us and keeping your minds wide open, because just remember
now and tomorrow I'm going to be in Savannah. And
what I say about Savannah is it's always midnight there.
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It's a scary place.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
We'll see you, Mark, take care, Thank you.
Good evening in life from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. This
is doctor John Stamy with another edition of Scary Cast.
We have one of our favorite guests back with us.
He because he has so many interesting things to talk about.
It is the one and only Mark Sargeant. He's from
the West Coast now used to be in the Colorado area.
(00:23):
Now he's in the West Coast and doing great things
for the Flat Earth Society and lots of other things. Mark,
how are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I am doing well and thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh, I'm always glad to have you as we are
as we move forward to some other great events coming
up later this year. So as I spoke to you
in the green room, and this is something that I
always like to ask somebody that I have on somewhat regularly. Okay,
your field is the flat Earth? And what are some
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of the latest advances and thoughts in the flat Earth?
Because I know some people holdheartedly believe in it, some
people don't know. Some people say no, it's not real.
And I like to get your perspective and then I'll
share my perspective and we'll just go from there.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Sure, right now, as far as the physical advances go.
You know, they didn't take ten years. You know, it's
not like we're doing new things every every year, but
we've been really focusing on galvanizing the community if all possible.
You know, Flat Earth has developed and become so broad
that we actually have factions that are at odds with
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each other. And you know, it's much like the you know,
the Scottish Highland clans where you know, I try to
remind people which is a yeah, of course, you know
this clan is against this clan. But in the end,
we all hate the English, right, we all we all
want to band together against the globe. And that's what
it really boils down to for all of us. It's like, yes,
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you know this this group doesn't has a problem with
the dome. This group doesn't. This person has a problem
with the sun. This person doesn't. But at the same time,
at the end, it doesn't matter because it's not a globe.
That that's our are always been our main argument. But
when again, like with anything, when you when you grow
to such a size, people forget what the where the
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origins came from. And that's been kind of the theme
for me this year because the flat the fliers community.
We're in turn ten years old, the Flat Earth Clues
turn ten years old, not a coincidence, and as of
February tenth, the Flat Earth Clues are now officially ten
years old. YouTube sent me a thing. Hey, by the way,
you have your first video that has ten year anniversary.
(02:39):
It's like, oh, fantastic, and that happened to be one
of my favorite things. So that's that's really what we've
been focusing on so much, not as many as the
physical things, but the community at large.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, that's great. What are some of the differences that
the different best terrible grammar, but what are some the
difference is the different groups or factions have in the
flat Earth community.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh okay, let's start with the obvious. The biggest difference
would be dome versus no dome, which is which we
talked about in Behind the Curve of the documentary and
other programs We've been talking about literally for a decade,
which is, are we living in a literal snow globe
where you know, a dome like structure like a Truman show,
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like a planetarium, like a sound stage, or are we
And that would be say, seventy percent of the community
and then the other thirty percent would be, oh no,
it's still flat, but it is, but it's open. It's
an infinite plane, and there is no dome. And as
much as I appreciate those people, you know, the we'll
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say less than thirty percent who believe that that there
is no dome, it's like, okay, I know why. First off,
they don't like being hemmed in. You know, they don't
like they only being fenced in by anything. They feel
it it's restrictive them. It's like, yeah, okay, I understand that,
But then you're gonna have to deal with the whole
vacuum versus gravity problem, which is the vacuum of space.
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If you believe in space which is completely empty, no
pressure at all, next to a pressurized system, which is
what we're breathing in now, which is eighty percent nitrogen
and twenty percent oxygen. Well, when those two meet each other,
they're instantly equalized. And if you have a very very
very big check vacuum chamber, basically that vacuum chamber just
sucks it off and turns it into nothing. So they'd
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have to deal with that. The dome people, they have
no problem. I am, of course one of the dome people.
I've got models setting around me that have domes on them,
and various snow globe type things, which I believe in
for various reasons. One because vacuum versus the vacuum, space
versus gravity, and they call it air pressure for a reason, right,
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and they call it you know, doesn't it make more
sense that you've heard the term greenhouse gases if it's
an actual greenhouse. You know, people talk about greenhouse gases,
but they leave out them most important part, which is like, Okay,
what what happens when the greenhouse gases get to the top.
They said, well, it just stays there. I go as
opposed to going off into space. Nobody wants to Nobody
wants to touch it. I I've asked scientists for years
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and years. It's like, what happens at the bleeding edge
of space? What happens where our atmosphere ends and space begins.
Nobody in science wants to talk about it. They just
make this massive resubmbs so well, nothing happens. It just
sits there. It's like, that's not how it works. Do
you know anything about physics? That's not how it works. Sorry,
long answer to that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
One no no good answer.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Other other ants, other other differences in the Flighters community.
I'm gonna be gentle with this one, which is biblical
versus non biblical. You know our early conferences, half the
half community strong Christians, the other half not as strong.
We'll just call them strong Christians versus agnostic. Well, that
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tends to divide the community because after the first conference,
when we were doing the feedback canvas, people are saying
half the people said it was too Christian, the other
half said it wasn't Christian enough. And so it's like, okay,
what do we do. So we go to the next
conference and we have to make separate down stages. And
it's not like that they don't talk to each other.
I mean we're talking the same people, the Christian versus
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non Crusier. They'll still go to the bar and hang
out together and talk, which is wonderful. Other little differences
would be you know what is gravity? That's always a
fun one. Some people say, well, it's all just buoyancy
and density. It's not gravity. Gravity doesn't exist at all.
The other people say, well, gravity's got to be something.
I'm one of those gravity it's got to be something people.
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And again the community factors into that because at the
end of the day and the conferences is like a
microcosm of what it is in real life. We don't
have battles at conferences. Ever, everybody couldn't be better friends,
which is wonderful why the community keeps growing. The conflicts
are minor and it's only talking points. It's only something
that they debate over over beer. It's like, well, this
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is what this is in there, and at the end
they toast their glasses. It's like, well, at least it's
not a globe, cheers and then they move on, which
is why we've done hundreds of meetups. I can't tell
you how many conferences in different countries US a lot
of them. I haven't even been to them. And we've
never had an incident where the only incidents every once while,
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some globe will try to poke their head, you know,
globalist will try to come in there and and feel
the room out. It's like they realize they're heavily outnumbered,
and then and then they go away. But it is
it is a wonderful thing to watch. So, yes, there
are differences, and you know, we can go on the
finer points of those if you wants.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But still the differences are only talking points. They are
not ideology blockages where people it's like, well, I can't
talk to you. You're a domer. You know, we don't
have those T shirts, you know, domer versus non domer.
You know, you don't see anyone you know, pointing at
a at a snow globe going this is what it is,
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and you're ignorant for you know, no, no, we start
with the premise, thank goodness, we start with the premise
that it is not a globe, and nobody you know,
that's where you that's where it is. It's like, you know,
the bottom line, the lowest common denominator answer is well,
it's not a globe, and then you work your way
from there. Sorry, let me get into that really quick,
(08:18):
which is it's no different than the truth or community.
If it's a common question. I asked Truthers, I say, okay,
tell me what your top ten most important secret societies
are in order of importance. And you know, you know
everything from the Builderbergs, the Rothschild's, the councilor Foreign Relations,
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the Trilaterals, the Masons, some sort of Jewish cabal and
so on, and so on. It never ends the Vatican.
Which one's the most important, which one's the second. And
you could ask all sorts of people in the truth community,
and you write that, you know, quietly to themselves. Write
these lists down and compare these lists. They will all
be different, all of them. And that's the point, right.
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You don't know who the top of the food chain is.
I mean, I've got my suspicions, but I can't prove it.
But at the end of the day, there's still all truthers,
which is wonderful. You know. They argue about you know who.
You know, it's like, no, man, you got to focus
on the Masons. It's like, no, man, you got to
focus on you know, the Jewish Cabal or whatever it is.
And they'll go off in their tangents. But in the
(09:20):
end we're still We're still looking to figure out what
this all is. And I enjoy every aspect of it.
I love opening minds. In fact, yesterday, sorry, I let
me go up in a tangent really quick because it's relevant.
Sure I did it. Did the Deaftnes rock band from
the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh goodness, yes, we love the deaf Tones.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh cool? Well, they're touring right now. Really, they just
started out their tour Tuesday. They were in Portland, Oregon,
and then yesterday they were in Seattle. And the lead
guitarist for the Deaft Tones, Stephen Carpenter, he's one of ours.
He's absolutely a flat earther. In fact, I've got a
flat Earth hoodie sitting back there that he gave me
on the on the tour bus. And you know, I
(10:05):
went down and saw him. Sometimes I get a day
of free before the show, and so I went down
and saw down at his tour bus. We just hun
hung out and talked for hours and hours about shop.
And then yesterday it was a concert, so I went
down there with a group of people because like, yeah,
I don't want to waste this opportunity. Grab some some
younger people that really really uh, you know, love music
(10:29):
even more than I do. And when you sit down,
you know, very impressionable. So when you sit down with
you know, an actual rock star and he starts throwing
down stuff at you and you know, giving you the
flat earth stuff. And he's also a big big Foot fan,
by the way, huge Bigfoot fan. Yeah, yeah, and his
logo you know what, let me grab it really fast.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Okay, and so that you know Mark, Mark has just
left his seat and he has gone to get something
that he's going to show us. Hello, Mark Sargeant, glad
to have.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Me this cool Flat Earth the Flat Earth or hoodie, right,
that's his brand. He actually sells these. But he also
gave me his logo. And you'll like these these are
bigfoot skeletons. So that's him. But it's a bigfoot skeleton
and uh, it's that's part of his that's part of
the thing. He has different colors for every city he
(11:20):
goes on tour. And what he does, it's like, well,
why does he do this? Well, because he used to
be a skateboarder back in the day. And he'll take
these stickers and he'll he'll tag whatever around the events center.
You know, he'll stop signs and park benches and stuff
with these stickers and then hopefully they look the stuff up. Anyway,
it's really really cool, love what he does. But the
point was is this, This is how this how stuff
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spreads and gets out there. So I bring the bring
the girls into the the tour bus. It's just him
and me and them, and we talk shop for a
while and he's dropping knowledge, right, and and he gets
into the whole flatter thing, and you know, again they're
starstruck the you know, they really dig it, and so
what he thing? You know, it's got that. You know
they're gonna go. They work. They work at a nail salon,
(12:03):
right and you know those go that is a hub
of information, your local nail salon.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Oh okay, every.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Client is gonna come in here and hear this story.
And now they're gonna, you know, be exposed to some
of the truth or community. And this is how knowledge
gets dropped, you know, innostantly, you know. But again, you
have a captive audience. You have people getting their nails done.
They are going to listen to whatever you're gonna say,
especially you have pictures to back it up. So sorry,
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there you go. That's my interesting story of the week.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, no, no, that's a great story. I've got a
number of things they don't want to ask you about.
Let me let me write down the last the last one,
because because I'll tell you what I whenever you talk,
there is something about hanging out with you that just
puts great thoughts in my head. Number one, and in
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case our listeners don't know. I run the Georgia Bigfoot Conference.
We have an average four hundred and fifty to five
hundred people there. The way I approach it, I have
seen bigfoot four times. So it's like, don't get into
an argument with me about the existence of bigfoot. I mean,
I'll just cut you down the size because I know
what I've seen my time. That's what happened on my timeline.
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I was sitting there, you know, my first story. I'm
sitting there in a house, we're eating lunch about three
o'clock on Saturday afternoon, and a big foot comes walking
by the window. I mean I jumped and ran outside
as quickly as I could, and they weren't there. But
I know what I saw that. You can't tell me
that bigfoot doesn't exist. I'll tell you and I don't
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you know, And I'm very sorry. I'm opinionated. I don't
tolerate if you tell me something is false that I
know is true. I don't take it very well because,
first of all, that's kind of how I was trained.
I was trained at North Carolina State University. That's where
I got my doctorate. They said, we don't care what
you believe as long long as you prove it. Don't
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you think that's a great algorith on thinking that that
is science to the max. So I'll go ahead and
bring up a tone that that I have brought up
with everybody is science and science reporting. If you can't guess,
(14:24):
I'm going to talk about the nineteen fifty seven Encyclopedia
Britannica which states that there is a permanent and he
gives a height. I don't remember what it was. I
think it's thirty thousand feet at the top.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Sure, and.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
There in lies a problem. Nobody seems to know anybody
that's gone up that far. They don't. All we do
is we have reporting. We have news organizations that are
owned for profit. Their job is to make a profit.
Their job is not to report the news. Now do
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you find that to be an upsetting statement? I mean,
that's what I've seen in my short life.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
No, it's not upsetting at all. Power corrupts. We all
know that, and no one is fully immune from that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Right, I mean, I mean the point is they're not
going to report something that contradicts mainstream whatever, even though
mainstream is wrong. I mean, let's all remember the Galileo
was put in jail for four years because he said
the Jupiter had four moons around it. I mean, he
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was put in jail. What he's wrong? Has thirty seven
or something right? And I mean, you know people have
been persecuted and killed for simply stating the truth. Right now,
I want to get to the bottom of this flat
earth thing, and I don't think we're even close, because
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what happened in the nineteen sixty issue of the Encyclopedia Britannica,
all that stuff about the firmament was out of there. Now,
I wonder who took that out? That was all that
all came right after the International geofiscal year, and there
was a lot and you know, it was real funny.
I was reading some stuff on Admiral Richard Bird, who's
truly one of my heroes, who found out a lot
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of things that a lot of people found very difficult
to understand. And he was told to be quiet by
the FEDS. That's what he wanted to talk about about
the amazing discoveries that he made at the South Pole.
We don't really you know, you remember he did have
(16:44):
an amazing press conference after he had come back from
the South Pole, right, you know, the press conference in Chile.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, it's like, boy, they didn't want that to
get out. We don't know what got out because we
didn't speak the language, and that was before we had
a good recording of it. We don't know what he said. Well,
we know he was told to be quiet because he
was talking about things. We've got this ice wall, you know,
and he starts out like that, and that's all I know.
(17:16):
So my goodness, you know, I want to get to
the bottom of this. What is the firmament? Well, I
have a feeling the firmament has something to do with this,
this radiation belt up there. I truly believe that. Now
I don't know what you believe, but I think there
are certain there's certain problems in the I guess that's
(17:38):
word is the geography of our earth.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Even Tesla one of the you know, truly the smartest
man of the previous century, and even Tesla said, the
Earth's not a globe, it's a it's a domain. And
and we never heard it. We never got to the
bottom that I wish we had. I really, I really,
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I mean, you know, all of his documents were confiscated, right,
So I mean, I really I really wish I had known.
And the fact is, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go
back to eighteen ninety there used to be an element
called the ether and that got dropped from from the
periodic table. Why nobody seems to know it just got dropped.
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Do you have the answer?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And there is.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
No nothing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It doesn't exist. I don't think. I mean you have to.
You're gonna have to prove it to me. So anyway,
that's just those are some of the there's some fundamental
questions that know that these so called scientists that get
grants from the National Science Foundation don't want to start
trying to answer. And I know it's the pressure of
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the universities wanting them to bring in millions of dollars
worth of grants. That's all it is. Sure, I'll tell
you if I'm sorry. Whenever I get you on here,
I like to tell you my stories.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I used to teach at a very mid level university,
and I was getting my doctorate at North Carolina State
and I made my way over to the Rhyan Research Center,
the Rhyan Institute of Parapsychology, where they study my favorite
science topic, parapsychology. I got to know all the researchers.
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I got to know all the superstars of the parapsychological world,
the people really studying this thing. And I'll never forget
my boss called, we had this thing called the Celebration
of Inquiry, and I had put in that I was
going to. I brought doctor Sally Ryan Feather, that's jb
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Ryan's daughter, to be one of the keynote speakers of
the Celebration of Inquiry. I thought that was a pretty
progressive thing for me to do. So what did I
want to do. I wanted to do an ESP experiment
as the presentation before her talk. Are you familiar with
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the Zener Cards?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
The Xenier cards are those It's a deck of cards
that has a circle, a square, a star, a triangle,
and they use it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It's the sensory cards.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
They call them the ESP cards. So what I wanted
to do is I wanted to get ten students to
come up on stage, and I wanted to do two
runs of the Xener cards. So you go through them once,
then you go through them again, and then what I
wanted to do was see how the students did to
see who exhibited the ability to I'll just say guess
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the cards correctly versus those that didn't, and then I
was going to kind of interview them because that is
a scientific experiment that's been done since nineteen thirty six
doctor jb Ryan at Duke University. I mean, Duke University
is not a little fly by night institution. Is one
of the greatest schools in the world. And this is
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what they were doing in nineteen thirty six. And my
boss called me into his office. It was in December,
because the celebration was the first week of February. He said, John,
the dean called me into his office instead that if
you go through with that experiment as a presentation for
the celebration of inquiry, you will be fired. I said, really, so,
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since I want you to be the next chairman of
the department, please don't do it. You know, he was
a good guy, and he truly believed in a lot
of the things that I believe in because he was
a scientist PhD. From pursuit, I mean, you know, not
an inconsequential university. So I mean he believed that there
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were out there that scientists didn't want to talk about.
But that that was the reception that I got in
doing a classical psychological experiment in front of maybe two
hundred people and talk about when did this develop? Who
developed these cards? You know, there's a lot of learning.
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This goes into the history of psychology. And I was
going to try to teach people something and I was
told I'd get fired. Now, don't you find that rather provincial?
That's kind of like telling Galileo he's going to go
to jail because he sees the Jupiter as four moons.
Right to find a similarity between those two things, I mean, why,
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you know why? So that's that's what I'm saying is
we still don't exactly live in a time where scientific
research is free because you come up with something. I mean, okay, yeah,
late at night I watch Facebook, and Facebook tends to
(23:07):
cater the videos that they send to me based on
what I like, what I really like, not my during
the day stuff. They send me parapsychology. At night, they
send me the Ananaki. At night they send me the Tartarians.
And I mean, you know, this is stuff. I find
it wild as all get out, but I want to
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know the truth, Mark Sergeant. And for some reason they
relegate my truth to eleven PM to about four am,
because not everybody else. So I guess what I'm leading
to is there are there is a culture that wants
to know the truth. And number one, don't you agree
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that all the people that study the flat earth go
to conferences and everything they want to know what the
truth is?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yes, yes they do.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Therefore, what I would say is they're superior to those
that don't because they want to know the truth. All right,
It's like I want to know the truth. I've got
a recent interest. Are you familiar with the Tartarians?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And the problem with the Tartarian theories is that we
really don't know what year we're in, right, I mean,
the Catholic Church changed the year so that a particular
pope could become anointed in the year one thousand, So
all of a sudden, we lost thirty years from our
counting number of years. I mean, they don't talk about that,
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but there's apparently some evidence that that happened. And I've
got a variety of books that seem to give some
wonderful explanations of what we call impossible engineering, things that
really couldn't have been done. And we couldn't do today.
Did you know that most of the cathedrals in Europe
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could not have been built today? We couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I have heard things along those lines. Yes, have you
ever heard.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Of Salisbury Cathedral in England?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Not by name?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Go ahead, okay, yeah, you go to Salisbury. That building
is so high inside that it sometimes has clouds in
the very top. It is so tall. There's no other
building like that in the world. We never built anything
like that that. You know, you look up there and
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you see a little cloud. I've seen it, I mean,
and I tell this to people, Oh I've been there,
I never saw it. Well, you didn't have the right
tour guide, That's all I got to say. So there
are so many things that we don't know. And I
mean every day when I have guests on scary cast,
on this very show, and we talk about impossible engineering
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things that we see with their eyes, and we have
no idea how we could do it. I had a
very close friend explained to me what they said, what
the tour guide said in Egypt about the building of
the pyramids and these one hundred foot tall obelisks, And
(26:19):
the explanation that I got was so preposterous. You want
to know that. You want to know what the explanation
for the pyramids are and how they got those massive,
gigantic blocks of stone up there. You want to know this.
You're gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Okay, they built ramps.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And they walked them up. Yeah, please, you know, please
explain that to me. And and you know, and everybody,
everybody wants why is it, whether you're talking about flat
earth or building the pyramids or anything, when you aren't
pointing these things out? Why do people want to go
run and hide and change the subject. And please, I
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think you're a good guy to answer that question. Why
do they do that?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Denial is the most predictable human response that we have
out there. The five stages of acceptance is denial, anger, bargaining, depression,
and then finally acceptance. And denial is one of our
mental equivalents of fight or flight, which is you don't
want to deal with it, and so getting away from
it as fast as possible, and sometimes that means physically
(27:35):
you just walk away from the conversation, or a lot
of times you just do anything you can to change
the subject, deflect, distract, anything you can to do it.
And we've seen it. We call it glitching sometimes in
our community, which is you hit somebody with something, they
can't refute it, and so they will just they'll just
freeze for a second and then they'll change over to
(27:56):
something else. It's just like, well, what about this. It's like, really,
you don't want to address what I just said, No,
not at all. They just it's like they will not
do it. They can't And I don't blame them. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, and you know, here's what I'm now going to
say about you. Why is the guy that's one of
the most knowledgeable people in the world in the flat
Earth movement giving me a pure science explanation for my question.
You don't sound like any kind of a Charlottean to me.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
No, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
By the way, I don't knowledge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Go ahead. Yeah, I've never really come off as a
con man. I mean I have. Have. I done a
lot of work in high stress tech support, Yes, I have,
which is why nothing really rattles me anymore. But at
the same time, look, I love knowledge as much as
the next person. We're talking over the fruits of science
right now, the technology that we've built. Look, I was
(28:52):
a tech geek I was an it guy for a while.
I was in the gaming world. I still love giving,
I love everything that's about science. I just complain every
once in a while that look, science slips into scientism
like anything else. They have taken their authority and they
take it too far and people people don't really recognize it.
They all we haven't gotten to the point now where
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if you wear a lab coat you're considered more intelligent
than the person next to you. And we've proven this.
You can. You can try it. Try handing out flyers
on a busy street corner. It's tough to do. Go
on that same street corner, put on a lab coat,
hold it empty clipboard. People will walk up to you
for no apparent reason at all and say, hey, smart person,
(29:34):
who I don't know, what are you doing? You know?
Hit me with some knowledge. So yeah, it's they've taken
it too far.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Oh wow, that's that's great. Well, then I'm gonna be
going tomorrow to uh the main paranormal conference in Savannah, Georgia,
which you know is most the most haunted town in
America according to a lot of people. Okay, so if
I go there with a shirt and a town and
walking with a briefcase. You're you're you're saying that I
will have more questions that if I walk in with
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my normal plaid shirt and my long air.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
The uniform. Look, I've done videos on this where the
uniform subconsciously we have done. There's certain things you're like, uh,
fire fireman, you know, the whole bravery rescue outfit, policemen, paramedics,
you name it. The uniform that you know, the way
they say the clothes make the man. And that's literal sometimes,
(30:29):
which is it doesn't mean you know, it's what we
do in movies and television. That's why you put costumes
on people, everything from stage plays to two major motion pictures,
and it carries across. The lab coat inspires intelligence and
it always has. Why when you see, you know, all
the doctor's commercials, right, whatever you're pushing, I don't care
if it's pharmaceuticals or whatever, they're wearing the lab coat, right,
(30:53):
And which is the cliche line. I'm not I'm not
a doctor, but I play one on TV. It works.
I get it, It absolutely works, so and you know
people aren't going to really snap out of it. My
complaint is is that you take it too far, you're
not supposed to treat it like it's real. You know
that the lab coat means whatever you say is gospel,
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and they get away with it. And by the way,
let me back up real quick, because I wanted to
bring this up. There was are you were talking. The
quote you mentioned was as long as you can prove it,
you can you can believe in whatever you want. I
love that because there are so many times that science
and scientism has ignored that, you know, in one of
(31:38):
your favorite things, I'm sure is cryptozoology, and it happens
all the time. Again, the giant panda was a myth.
The giant and a conda, the giant squid. They were
all myths because science refuse to blitz, like, get one
on a lab table. Maybe then you know, well we
can talk, and then we bring in the platypus, right,
the platypus, which is made up of so many different
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animals that even when it was alive walking around on
the lab table in front of them, they refused to
believe it for a while because they thought someone had
had stitched this thing together and it was like blinking
at them and making noises. It's like, no, it's right,
there in front of you, and they could not deal
with it because they couldn't explain it. So, yes, your
your quote about if you can prove it, it doesn't
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matter what you believe it. If you can pull it off,
then more power to you. Love that quote.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I will never forget. At North Carolina State University, I
ejected a member of my doctoral committee. He said, well,
what you're gonna you know, you have to go around
and interview these cats and get it. Get four of
them on your on your committee. And now I went
to one and I said, he said, all right, what
are you gonna do? I said, what I'm gonna do
is I'm going to prove that online learning can be
(32:50):
better and more successful than listening to someone talk. Of course,
you know what he said, we can't. I said, okay, great,
and I never never called him back. I mean, of
course I was successful. I had a successful dissertation defense.
I did prove that. I proved how you can do it.
(33:12):
It's real funny. About two years later, several companies in
the research triangle part came out with my product. I
never thought that that would be a good product, but
they apparently didn't. They made millions of dollars off my
doctoral dissertation.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You better be.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Careful when you do good research. Somebody's will make money
off of it. And there you might you might want
to go patent everything that you do. But there you go.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And it was that's a story from my deep dark past.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
No, no, no, I like it because it reminds me
of you know again, I give I give credit to
intelligent people where it's due, which is if your intelligent enough, Yes,
your ideas are worth money, or your ideas your mind
has a dollar value. People forget that. After World War
Two during an operation paper Clip, not a conspiracy. You
(33:58):
can look it up all day long, and the Russians
and the Americans split the Nazi scientists into factions like, Okay,
you guys are coming over to America and you guys
are gonna come over to Russia. Well, what you're saying,
I'm saying that is when you have a certain intelligence level,
your ideas are have a dollar value attached to them.
Therefore you are exempt from war crimes. You're exempt for
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many these guys should have been strung up or whatever, imprisoned.
Oh no, no, no, no, you're going directly into the private
sector and some of the government sector, and you will
create asset. And the same thing over on the Russians.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, your name is Werner von Braun and Braun.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's like that man and he met presidents all the
way up until he died. And it's like, why well,
because he was one of the heads of the Nazi
missile program, the rocket program.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Exactly he was. And he was a rocket scientist.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Absolutely rocket scientist. It's like, and it's hypocritical, but you
get it, which is like, look, if you're really, really smart,
you're an asset. We're not getting rid of you. Are
you kidding? It's like you're worth something to us. You know.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's really funny. But I like the WI files. Are
you familiar with the WI files?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I am familiar with the WI files.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
About a third of the time, they'll be talking about
a scientific development over there in Russia and then they'll say,
and you know what. In nineteen eighty three, doctor Kazurev
was about to unveil his brand new machine, and the
little fish says, did he die? Yes, he did the
(35:34):
day before, and they just they just took all his research.
You know that they can do whatever they want. But
the fact is people are killed because of their inventions
and research. That's I guess that's why we don't Okay, Oh,
I hope that the men in black aren't going to
come to my door. But I mean that's the reason
we don't have a water powered car. They're out there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yep, the bat didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
I mean, I don't want to mess with water powered car.
You know, you know, you know, go gasoline, gasoline, that's
fond of me.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And I'm just when the system is built on a
certain thing, you can't introduce. Look, I no offense. But
the people guys that work on water power cars, they've
got they're in a tough spot because I know that
they have lofty ideas. It's like, look, we could change
civilization as we know it. We could change all sorts stuff.
It's like, yes, you know that, and the powers that
(36:29):
be know this as well. But if they don't want
to change it, well, then you are now a hurdle
they have to deal with. And so yes, when the
story is about you know guys that make inventions that
all of a sudden, either the ventions disappear or absorbed
into something else.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Or or they disappear or they.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Disappear, because again, there are some people. I don't want
to discount this. There are some people that can't be bought.
I'll use the rock concert reference because I'm still in
rock concert mode, which is you everyone's gone to a
concert and done the same thing. You stand in a
big line, and there's always somebody that's walking the lines,
like anyone want to sell tickets. Anyone want to sell tickets, right,
(37:08):
And most people don't, but a few people do. That
guy never get skunked ever, I've never seen it happen.
Somebody a group of five people, you know, it's like
all of war is like how much? Yeah? Friend, man,
it's like a thousand dollars, like I could use the bread.
And the next thing you know, that guy's gone. It's like,
didn't you want to go to this concert for like
four months? Like yeah, man, but I got bills to pay.
(37:28):
Apply that to anything that you want. And people, some
people can't be bought, but some people can't. I don't know.
You could say, well you can't put a price on
truth and stuff like that, and there are some people
and in that case it's like, well there's still a problem.
So sometimes they just don't come back home anymore, and
we don't know what happened to them, or we do
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know what happened to them.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
So and I think my favorite moral of the story,
one of the people that I respect more than anyone
else in the last century was JP Morgan. The man
knew how to make money sure, and he is the
only human being whose name is on two New York
Stock Exchange corporations, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan Chase. I mean,
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obviously he is. He is the god of making money, right.
And so we come to the Nikolay Tesla's story with
JP Morgan about Wardencliffe Tower and free energy. It was
a wonderful idea and JP Morgan pulled all of his
financing right. Well, A lot of people don't know that
(38:31):
he owned nie Grim Mohawk Power. That was directly that
was directly a strategic bottleneck for his power company. Come on,
and you know, no harm, no foul. I mean, Tesla
didn't die from that. I don't know where he got
it from, but you know, so you know, you got
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people it's for financial gain. I mean, that's what the
world has come down to. And you know, maybe it's
what's the phrase. Maybe it has to do with the
Oh what am I trying to say? Maybe it's the
survival of the fittest.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Yeah, well you're old enough to know. I mean, people
do funny things for money, always always have money talks.
It's not just an ac DC song. It's that satting
has been around for a long, long long time. And
while hell I I take it, I take it back
to the uh is an age old scientific question, which
(39:32):
is what is the most common emotional state of people?
Is it fear or is it laziness? Tough one, because
you both could apply. And when it comes to money,
money allows you to be lazy more than anything. If
you have money, you don't have to do a damn
thing if you don't want to, you know it, send
the couch and do nothing.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
And so yeah, well, I guess I'm I'm really weird
because I would I would use it to fund more research.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I wouldn't say you're weird. But the common man, the
common you know, the general public, they tend to find
they got that herd mentality, you know, throw throw a
pile of money from a building into the street and
watch what happens. You know, find me, find me the
guy on the side of the street. It's like, yeah,
not interested. No, you're gonna have people that are punching
each other that stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, I don't know. I guess I know I'm weird.
I would, but I would enjoy doing that because I
want to know the truth. I want to know why.
I want to know where the firmament went between the
nineteen fifty seven issue of Encyclopedia Britannica, the a edition
for Antarctica, where it went between nineteen fifty seven and
nineteen sixty Mark where did it go?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Well, it went to the same place that a lot
of the things did, because those years that you're mentioning
critical things happened between nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty.
In nineteen fifty eight, that is when the high altitude
atomic weapons testing program started between the United States and
the Soviet Union. And the people don't forget remember that
(41:08):
from fifty eight until the beginning of sixty two, if
I'm not mistaken, all atomic testing were rockets that were
going straight up. That's all they were doing, were shooting
these things into the sky, which was interesting. And after
the first few shots in nineteen fifty nine, that's when
NASA was founded, and you know, and and shortly after
(41:28):
that the atomic weapons testing program was ramped down from
megatons into lokilotons. And also in nineteen fifty nine was
when the I'm sorry, no sorry NASA was founded in
fifty eight. The Van Allen radiation Belts we pronounced in
nineteen fifty nine, long where you are. And the Antarctic
Treaty was first ratified in nineteen fifty nine, locking down the.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Right because that was right after the international geofiscal year,
which was over in fifty seven, then we had a
year for policy to be developed. Then came the Antarctic Treaty. Amazing,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah, coincidence that the Antarctic Treaty, which locks down the
outside of the world, and the Van Allen radiation Belts
was just big warning signs they never ever go up.
There were announced in the same year, which are exactly
what you would do if you finally decided it's like, okay,
this this world is some sort of stage, you know,
some sort of building, and you needed to keep people
(42:25):
away from, you know, the vertical and the horizontal extremes,
and it's like, yeah, no accidents there. And then of course,
the atomic weapons program, the above ground aerial bursts were
finally shut down, I believe at the beginning of sixty two.
So yes, as far as the encyclopedia, that's that was
relatively small. I equate that to the same thing as
(42:47):
the recent You can go on a Google now, you know,
change you the Gulf of Mexico coke to the Gulf
of America, which is quietly gonna, you know, get rid
of that which everybody knew for how long we have
the Gulf of Mexico on maps? So long? And now
that's gone, that is moving forward, that's not even gonna
be there anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I think that's that's an interesting little war between a
lot of people, because I don't think we ever ratified
any treaty that said it was the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Did we No, No, But remember we weren't truly a
country yet. If I'm not mistaken, when the Gulf of
Mexico is named, because well it's next to Mexico, and
America early wasn't any sort of major power, so it's
just throw that name out there. Why why you know,
why why wouldn't you that Mexico had been there? For
a while. They don't necessarily lay claim to it. But
(43:39):
it's like it was just kind of a throwaway thing.
We got to call it something. So what do you
call it?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, you could have called it the Gulf of Mississippi
because the Mississippi empties into the gulf. Or you could
call it the Gulf of Louisiana because of the louis
Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I mean, no, those are larger. That's great, And I
hadn't even thought of that. I may steal that for
future things, please do. I hadn't thought of that until
just now, which is which is yes, it had. In fact,
had the politicians been more proactive, they were probably distracted
with other things Mississippi and Louisiana. But yeah, yeah, that
would do it. Yeah, well, in fact, Gulf of Louisiana
(44:16):
makes a lot more sense. In fact, had that happened
long ago, they would have never changed it to Gulf
of America. It would have always been in Gulf of Louisiana.
So yeah, that's good. I like it.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, you know, it would look thank you very much.
You know, I just tend to enjoy talking and sometimes
you know, if I figured that if you say enough verbiage,
you'll come up with a couple of great things, and
then it'll come up with a couple of idiotic things,
and the rest of them will be in the middle.
But it's fun, and that's you know, it's funny. You
(44:47):
are truly one of my most enjoyable people to talk
to on a podcast, because really, I haven't had any
agenda other than the first question, and I've had a
lot of fun because you're you know, I'm going to
compliment you. You're one of the smart people that I know.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Oh, thank you, And it's.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Just it's fun to talk to somebody again. And in
my goodness, we're we're recording this. It's going to go
out there on our heart radio and you know, they'll
you know, ultimately be three or four, five hundred people
that listen to this thing, and they'll say, well, well,
that was certainly interesting. Nobody wanted to make fun of anybody. Well,
you know, you're not making fun of the fact that
I've seen Bigfoot four times, and I'm not making fun
(45:27):
of you because you say the world's flat.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think again, how can I make fun of anyone?
First of all, because if I start my day, you know,
looking at flat earth models, which are all around me
as we speak. Well, I don't have a leg to
stand on. I can't judge anybody anymore when it comes
to those beliefs, because beforehand, yeah I might, I might,
you know, get the hell out of here, you know,
that sort of thing. But when I realized, when I
(45:51):
was making the clues that I had friends that were
convinced that the royal family were made up of lizard people,
and I would say, yeah, that's how it's pretty interesting,
what about flat Earth? And then it's like, yeah, I
don't want to talk to you anymore. And we were
talking about you just talked. You were talking about lizard people,
and I'm the crazy one. And so I have learned
over the years to no matter what it is, it's like, yeah,
(46:14):
you know what, sure, I'll give you some time. Now.
Do I think that you know, it's big for one
of my favorites, it's not bad. Do I think that
Elvis is still alive?
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Probably not. But then I could go into the Locknest Monster.
I'll go on a rant and pound people into the
ground and say no, I think Locknest Monster is actually
really probable, and uh, and I'll go into it as
far as why so, no, man, I love I love
open minded conversations because it takes you places that the
average people on the street wouldn't do. You know what,
(46:46):
average people in the street. You heard it millions of times.
It starts out with either well, it starts out with
the weather, and then it goes into local filling your
sports team, then followed by fill in your local or
national politics, and that's how goes.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And it's so funny that you mentioned the loch Ness
monster because tomorrow when I am in Savannah, yeah, I'm
going to be promoting the Ghosts and Legends concert Ghosts
and Legends Conference that I'm going to be holding in Brunswick, Georgia,
and the star of it is a sea monster named
(47:22):
all to Mahaha's been reported since eighteen thirty, I mean
thousands of reports, and it's just amazing. I mean, the
things out there. We don't know how many there are
out there. I say they're probably more than one, sure.
But it's so funny you mentioned the lock Nest Monster.
(47:43):
We're talking about a real lock Mess monster here that's
about six hours south of me.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Why wouldn't there be One of my favorite arguments that
I throw in the face of science all the time
and they can't touch me. Is the seal of caantfish.
I love that fish so much, even though it's ugly.
You know coe L A c A and T H
celacamp la.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, will tell me about it now, Mark, tell me
about that. I want to hear about this ugly, ugly fish.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It has been around for a long time, a bunch
of extra flippers and or fins and you know, sharp
teeth and everything. And this fish has been dead for
at least seventy million years. We know this because the
fossil records, and every scientist would have bet the freaking
farm on it. That has been extinct for seventy million years,
(48:31):
every single one of them. And then in nineteen forty,
the British Navy caught one in a net off of
South Africa, right and set it back to their scientists
grow like, nope, you're mistake, and you're absolutely screwed up.
It's like the British military really made a discovery will
a really weird fish and you're not gonna buy it.
Then they found another one off of Mozambique, another one
off of Madagascar, and it turns out they're swimming all
(48:54):
over Africa as we speak right now. The question is
is that how did science get absolutely freaking wrong, which
is you said that fish was stone cold in the ground,
fossilized dead. Every one of you said that, and nobody
and so and to the point where it took years
for them to just keep sending these dead fish and
(49:16):
some maybe finally some live back to England or wherever
the science academy were, and finally they realized it. And
so what's the point. My point is when someone says, oh,
the lock Nest monster, that's that's ridiculous. I go, why,
it's because it's been extinct for at least one hundred
million years. And I go, oh, you mean like that
fish over there? That fish, right, and and it's like
and they're like, ok we were wrong about the fish.
(49:38):
It's like, okay, so you were wrong about the fish,
but you're pretty solid that there's no there's nothing else
older swimming around in the oceans. I mean, come on,
we talk about the Great white shark how many times
that it's never had to evolve and it's you know,
it's millions and millions of years old, and you know,
in terms of its lineage, so it kills me again.
It goes into cryptozoology, which is they don't believe it
(50:00):
until they actually see it, and even then they have
problems with it. So the Lockness Monster. When I was
a kid, it was like, oh, it was a smiling
little fantasy story. But now, oh no, no. And by
the way, I'm just picking on the Lockness Monster. Is
your point. There's all sorts of deep lakes and streams
in place where we have no idea what's going on
out there, absolutely no freaking idea. Well, yes we can
(50:21):
catalog stuff sure in there, but if it's rare, you're
not gonna find it. You're just not. I mean, the
billy ape we didn't find as lawyer like twenty fifteen.
It's a six foot chimp and they were really good
about avoiding people. So they finally, you know, some Aborigines
found one that fell out of a tree and died
and they drug it into their village. And the sinus
is like, what's that? That's the great talk about These
(50:42):
things are out here anyway.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
You know. It's like I saw, I'm sorry, we can
be a little a little nasty, you know. It's like
big archaeology. They were certain that man evolved six thousand
years ago, and then they go over to Turkey and
they find go Beckley Tippy, which is twelve thousand years old, right,
and they had to unearth most of it before they
finally said, well, maybe you were wrong? Can you there
(51:07):
are other There are a lot of other ruins that
are out there that are maybe older than that, and
they are carbon dated. Is older than that, But the
big archaeology doesn't want to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
No, no, no, yeah, it raises too many questions. Yeah, Quebec, sorry,
Quebec Ley Templey, Machu Picchu, Puma Punku and all that stuff.
You're absolutely right. I mean, there are still remnants of
civilizations all over the place that predate us, and there's
a huge gap between where we you know, fuzz out,
you know, five thousand years ago, give or take to
(51:42):
where these things pick up. It's like, okay, what happened,
you know, because it wasn't us? So who who are
these guys? You're right, and they don't want to talk
about it because they don't know where to start. Science
doesn't like putting question marks into books. They could do
things that the thing with the center of the earth
deepest hole ever drilled is less than ten miles, but
they've got perfect cross sections of the of the earth
going down four thousand miles. How do you know this? Well,
(52:04):
we don't really. Well, then why don't you put that
in the small print? And I've actually looked at some
of the old textbooks. It wasn't a small print, which
is like, well, this is kind of a we're kind
of guessing there. If you go into wiki, they say
the same thing. It's like, we don't know what's down
to the center of the earth. We're just kind of
guessing from volcanoes. We don't have a freaking clue, but
the people want us to take our best guess.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
So I have a feeling Yellowstone will blow up and
we'll all be gone and they'll still be saying they
really don't know why. So that's that's that's okay. Well, Mark,
it's as usual. It's been a lot of fun talking
to you. A little circle back around after this show,
and I want to have you on again and maybe
in about a month we're going to have a big
(52:46):
old announcement for everybody. I think you know what that is.
Does that sound like a fun idea?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
It sounds like a wonderful idea. I think a conference
that has to do with open minded people tied to
what I believe it, I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
Well, I'm not going to allow anybody to be anybody
anywhere but open minded. And if they don't like it,
when they leave, I'll give I'll give them their fifty
dollars back they leave. You know, I don't. I don't
keep people around me like that. And everybody knows that
I'm serious, you know, because they're everything everything out there
that we cannot explain. Why do when I live in
(53:25):
a one bedroom apartment, why do I have a roommate?
His name is mister Mansfield, and he is the past
resident of this beautiful one bedroom condo, and he passed away.
And when I clean up the kitchen really good and
sit down in the living room, I hear somebody banging
around in my kitchen.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
And and you know what, someone said, aren't you scared?
I said, no, it actually makes me feel good that
I got somebody else here with me, you know, so whatever.
So yeah, I mean, you know, I live in a
world of ghosts, UFOs and Bigfoot and it's it's fun.
It makes the day go by better, and I think
your day goes by better when you think about wonderful
possibilities like the model of the flat Earth.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Indeed, indeed, I at least I.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Think our our world has changed to the fact that,
unlike Galileo, we're probably not going to get put into
jail for four years because we said that Jupiter doesn't
have four moons around it. There you so whatever, But anyway,
thanks a lot, Mark, it's been great having you on here.
We'll be in touch as we get these well laid
(54:33):
out plans, and we'll make our announcement here in about
a month, probably right after the Georgia Bigfoot Conference, which
is the twenty first and twenty second of March, and
that's in Deemeorus, Georgia. At where's that that's at Piedmont University,
which is Greater Atlanta. I'm glad we finally made it
to Atlanta with our conferences. So Mark, Sergeant, thank you
(54:55):
very much. You're always a wonderful guest, and thank you
all of you great scary asked listeners for listening to
us and keeping your minds wide open, because just remember
now and tomorrow I'm going to be in Savannah. And
what I say about Savannah is it's always midnight there.
(55:16):
It's a scary place.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
We'll see you, Mark, take care, Thank you.
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