February 6, 2025 • 46 mins
Welcome back spooky squad!
In this episode of Scream and Sugar, we dive into the chilling case of the 2014 Isla Vista murders committed by Elliot Rodger. Through a deep analysis of his manifesto, we explore his warped ideology, the warning signs that were ignored, and the toxic subcultures that fueled his descent into violence. We break down the timeline of events, the investigation that followed, and the broader societal issues surrounding misogyny, entitlement, and mental health. Join us as we sip on some coffee and dissect one of the most infamous crimes of the decade and the lasting impact it left behind. Part II out soon!
Remember to Stay Spooky, ya'll!
Case Notes (all hyperlinks available in our Spreaker Episode Notes):
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Elliot Rodger Crimes:
About Isla VistaCrimeGrade - Isla VistaCase Study: The Isla Vista Campus Community Mass MurderCBS - Murder Spree TimelineElliot Rodger's Manifesto PDFChilling report details how Elliot Rodger executed murderous rampage | California | The GuardianLA Times - Elliot Rodger meticulously planned Isla Vista rampage, report saysTen Years After the Isla Vista KillingsPeople - Remembering the 6 student victims of the Isla Vista Killingshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killingsIsla Vista massacre: 7 killed, 13 injured - ABC7 Los AngelesBBC - How misogynist killer became "incel hero", 2018"Path to intended violence" model to understand mass violence in the case of Elliot Rodger, Allely and Faccini, 2017Youtube Video - "Retribution".css-j9qmi7{display:-webkit-box;display:-webkit-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webkit-flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;font-weight:700;margin-bottom:1rem;margin-top:2.8rem;width:100%;-webkit-box-pack:start;-ms-flex-pack:start;-webkit-justify-content:start;justify-content:start;padding-left:5rem;}@media only screen and (max-width: 599px){.css-j9qmi7{padding-left:0;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;}}.css-j9qmi7 svg{fill:#27292D;}.css-j9qmi7 .eagfbvw0{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;color:#27292D;}
In this episode of Scream and Sugar, we dive into the chilling case of the 2014 Isla Vista murders committed by Elliot Rodger. Through a deep analysis of his manifesto, we explore his warped ideology, the warning signs that were ignored, and the toxic subcultures that fueled his descent into violence. We break down the timeline of events, the investigation that followed, and the broader societal issues surrounding misogyny, entitlement, and mental health. Join us as we sip on some coffee and dissect one of the most infamous crimes of the decade and the lasting impact it left behind. Part II out soon!
Remember to Stay Spooky, ya'll!
Case Notes (all hyperlinks available in our Spreaker Episode Notes):
crazy bean coffee: https://crazybeancoffee.com/
Elliot Rodger Crimes:
About Isla VistaCrimeGrade - Isla VistaCase Study: The Isla Vista Campus Community Mass MurderCBS - Murder Spree TimelineElliot Rodger's Manifesto PDFChilling report details how Elliot Rodger executed murderous rampage | California | The GuardianLA Times - Elliot Rodger meticulously planned Isla Vista rampage, report saysTen Years After the Isla Vista KillingsPeople - Remembering the 6 student victims of the Isla Vista Killingshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killingsIsla Vista massacre: 7 killed, 13 injured - ABC7 Los AngelesBBC - How misogynist killer became "incel hero", 2018"Path to intended violence" model to understand mass violence in the case of Elliot Rodger, Allely and Faccini, 2017Youtube Video - "Retribution".css-j9qmi7{display:-webkit-box;display:-webkit-flex;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-webkit-flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;font-weight:700;margin-bottom:1rem;margin-top:2.8rem;width:100%;-webkit-box-pack:start;-ms-flex-pack:start;-webkit-justify-content:start;justify-content:start;padding-left:5rem;}@media only screen and (max-width: 599px){.css-j9qmi7{padding-left:0;-webkit-box-pack:center;-ms-flex-pack:center;-webkit-justify-content:center;justify-content:center;}}.css-j9qmi7 svg{fill:#27292D;}.css-j9qmi7 .eagfbvw0{-webkit-align-items:center;-webkit-box-align:center;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;color:#27292D;}
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the podcast that takes a look at the darker side
of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on the side.
I am your host, Sahara, I'm Candace, and today we
are going to be talking about Elliott Roger and the
Ila Vista murders.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shut the fuck up. I was gonna do this case.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Were you?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yes, didn't I tell you about him already last week?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No? I was. We were literally just talking about this
in my feminism class last week.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That is so funny. I swear I talked to you
in Maybe it was just Brett.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I could have probably been zoning.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The fuck out, which, okay, I understand this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'd be doing that at any chance.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Did you see the video titled Retribution?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, well we'll be watching that today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, that's crazy. That's so funny. I was literally going
to start researching that case, but dude, it so I
don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a fucking crazy case. Yeah, and I feel like
it could have easily been a two parter.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh yeah, because of all the fallout and what like.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
All the crazy shit that happens afterwards, and maybe it
will be I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We'll see you got protein bar there, friend?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, I need to find the ones that I had
in Poland because I would literally go, like I would
walk the hour it took to get to the little
store that was the closest store to our little camp
and pack up on these fucking protein bars for the week.
And they were so good. They had like an Oreo
one and peat butter chocolate on the one. But there's
(02:02):
kind of blueberry one.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh my god, listeners, please.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Help us help the crisp rice in it too.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh that's the way though. It's the best, because I
really need I need something that's going to satisfy my
texture issues. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I know exactly what you mean the sweetness factor. And
also obviously we're trying to get that protein in because
apparently we need a fucked out of protein.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Dude, do you know you're supposed to have like one
gram of protein for every poundy weigh?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah that's a lot. Yeah, I know. I have those
Premiere protein shakes. They're like thirty grams yep, but I
would have to drink six and a half of them.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, if that's what's all you were eating, right, yeah,
because it's just like the problem is, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm not going to just eat fucking protein shakes.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And even then, my understanding is it's not as good
for you.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, it's natural protein. Yeah yeah, No, there's all kinds
of chemicals and sit there. I'm sure it's not great
for your stomach.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Imagine drinking six of those.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would probably it would be ship in my pants
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Obviously we're talking about proteins.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Protein queens. If you've got any tips for how we
can reach our protein goals, hit us up because your
girl needs help. Yeah, your girls need help.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Your girls need help. I have found two little protein
snacks that I can get down on, but I'm always
open to more.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I need more suggestions. And if you have like apps
that you can recommend for tracking that ship and just
generally helped by some general I'm struggling, We're struggling. I
appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
We love we love business. But welcome back to another episode, y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Welcome, Welcome to.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
The thunder Doll.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The Thunder. Two men enter, one man leaves. He was
in so I had to watch the weird Al Yankovic
story movie for my film and music or my music
and film class, which is hilarious because we didn't watch
a horror movie that he wanted us to watch because
one of the girls was very, very sensitive to any
(04:16):
type of gore. So we ended up watching Weird and
Patton Oswald, I forgot, was in the crowd at this
little bar that they go and play at for the
first time, and he's just like talking shit and then
he's like, oh my god, I love this guys. He's
dressed up like a biker and it's my favorite thing ever.
All his little minor roles are my five.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been it's been week Bryan, one week since
Brett was on the pod, So thank you, Brett.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You can come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But now we're back to our regularly scheduled programming and
hopefully we won't miss any more weeks. I don't know.
I've been saying that for two months.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So here we are, Here we are, and my god,
has it been a fucking week already. It's only the
second week of school, and I swear for every single
class I have so much reading already.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's only the second week.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, it's only the second week of school. I know
my professor one of them is at the third week
of school today and we're all like, no, girl, it's
only the second.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I want to die. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I did get some good news, Oh tell me, for
my friendsic anthropology class, we get to potentially go and
view an autopsy at the medical Examiner's office for class.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That'll be so awesome and they're so informative.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, exactly, and I feel like it will definitely help
people that are on the fence about pursuing a career
in this realm. I'm very excited about it. I even
like messaged with the coordinator at the corner's office and
it was like, hey girl or the medical Examiner's office,
and she wrote me back and I got all excited.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
About That's freaking awesome, dude, good news. Very excited for you.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But today I actually want to take us back back
in time to a little coffee shop right down the
street from Kandas's house called no Quazy Bean Lfree Holiday Loco.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh shit, that's right. We're so good at Spanish.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I'm the best at it. Very good capitals states Spanish.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's me trifecta.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But this little coffee shop, which I do think has
one of the funniest names on Earth. But I went
in there. Candas wasn't there, but I was there.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Fucking would buy my house and didn't even say huh.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But I was busy, was hungry, but I was hungry,
and so I went into the Crazy Bean, which, if
you recall from the episode we recovered it the first time,
it's a coffee shop forward slash like gym forward slash,
shooting range slash.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
She can get yours concealed carry permit.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
There it's concealed cary permit. And then there's like it's
like martial arts.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right, there's like a I don't know if it's muy
Tired kickbox or some shit.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Y'all, what the hell, it's crazy crazy Beans. But they
have something to eat there that is called the hot
Mess Express. I don't know if it's called the hot
Mess Express, but it's definitely called the hot Mess, called
the hot Mess, and that's whybly why they don't, but
(07:39):
it is so good, y'all. It's a freaking bagel that
they slather in like cheese and spicy sauce and they
put a whole ass hash brown in there, an egg
and more cheese.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Cheese on cheese on hash browns on cheese. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I got myself the Halipino chitter bab, got the spicy sauce,
got the egg, got the cheeses. I think there was
cream cheese, I'm not sure the cheese. It was so good.
I was like squishing it. I'm like, this is a
hefty sandwich. And as a vegetarian, I had to ask
them like take out the meats, and they were like
super nice about it and they were like, no problem
(08:19):
at all, got you, fam And it was delicioso.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Mo. Try that it's going to be dangerous though. I
really like it and it's my d.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It is very tasty, but it is also, I will say,
very dense, so I don't know. Like halfway through all
was like shit and shit, I did.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Shipped my pants again. Protein shakes and fucking cheese bagel messes.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh yeah, they had some amazing protein shake options in
there in their fridge. Because I'm assuming it's because it's connected.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
To the that makes sense. They're marketing towards their their
gym clanel patrons. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
She was amazing. I was like, Wow, this is exactly
what I was looking for. Who would have thought not me?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Cheese bagel, cheese bagel, cheese bagel. Did you know cheese
has lots of protein? I did.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I love cheese.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I found it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I also love cheese, and eggs have so not as
much protein as I thought. That was reason much higher.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Six fucking Graham's that's nothing else, bullshit eggs. Get your
shit together, be more excellent.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Can't just get out on that beautiful pun On that note,
We're gonna go ahead and switch it on over to
something a little less lighthearted. Maybe not, maybe it'll just
be light hearted all day.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, this is a terrible case.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Damn spoiler alerts, spoilers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This one's aduze.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This one's a doozy. So grab on your your boom
hoole bum holes and strap in, baby.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So I love.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Vista, California, is a small community located around nine miles
from the city of Santa Barbara. Can I tell you
something kind of embarrassing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So you know that TV show Psych? Yes, from Santa Barbara,
that's where they're at.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Do you love that show?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I love I love that show. Yeah, I thought Santa
Barbara was a made up place because oh, because it's
in the show. Yeah, And I was like, Santa Barbara
sounds nice. Turns out it's it's nice and it's real,
So that was exciting. Hello Santa Barbara listeners, if you're
out there. I love the way your whole city looks.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's very quaint and cute and adorable.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Beche be chee.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You got people rinsing off the showers and their driveway
from the beach with their fucking surfboards and wow, get
little hippies going on all over the place like Santa Cruz. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's reminiscent.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, we shuld all go to Santa Barbara. Elea Vista
is the community that's actually directly adjacent to the University
of California, Santa Barbara, so you se SB and nearly
all the people who live there are students of that university,
So it's kind of known as the neighborhood for the
young and adventurous, like fun and exciting. Almost everywhere you
go there's little coffee shops or grub spots and party spots,
(11:23):
and it's also right next to the beach, making it
an incredible location for ocean lovers. I spent some time
digging into its crime rate. So the crime rate isn't great.
It actually has an f for violent crimes on crime grade. However,
when you dig in a little further, you find that
most of those crimes occur near the bars and the
clubs in the retail areas, and assault is the number
(11:45):
one offense, and murder is like less than one percent
of those crimes.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, so there's lots of bar fights going on.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, And I mean as a
college town, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That being said, no one could have expected what would
happen to this town on May twenty third, two fourteen,
and how it would shape so much of our culture today.
A student at the University Elliott Roger was a known
misogynist and woke up that morning in a rage. Around
nine pm that day, he sent out a one hundred
and thirty seven page manifesto detailing his life, including major
(12:18):
life events, his inability to connect with women and his peers,
and he also detailed fantasies for getting revenge on women
who didn't pay attention to him and men who he
considered unworthy of women's attention. He sent this document to
thirty four people, including his parents, his counselor's childhood friends,
and his psychiatrists. By the time his rampage was over,
(12:40):
he had killed seven people, including himself, and injured fourteen
others using knives, semi automatic pistols, and a black BMW.
He also uploaded a video titled Retribution before completing his crimes.
I'm going to go ahead and play that for everybody, because,
first of all, this kid is such a dork. He's
(13:01):
such a dork. The fact that he acted on this
is so horrifying, Like I never would have expected it
to him actually, because of how goofy this kid is.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So give us a listen, Hi, Elliott Roger here, Well,
this is my last video.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
It all has to come to this.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which
I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you.
For the last eight years of my life, ever since
I've hit puberty, I've been forced to endure an existence
(13:47):
of loneliness, rejection, and unfulfilled desires. Well because girls have
never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and
sex and love to other men, but never to me.
I'm twenty two years old and I'm still a virgin.
(14:11):
I've never even kissed a girl. I've been through college
for two and a half years more than that, actually,
and I'm still a virgin and has been very torturous.
College is the time when everyone experiences those things such
(14:32):
as sex and fun and pleasure.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's
not fair.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't
know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
because I don't know he's on seeing me. I'm the
perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these
(15:06):
obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
I will punish all of you for it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
On the day of retribution, I am going to enter
the hottest sorority house of UCSB. I will slaughter every
single spoiled, stuck up blonde slut. I see inside there,
(15:44):
all those girls that I've desired so much. They would
have all rejected me and looked down upon me as
an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance
towards them while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You will finally see that I am, in truth, the
superior one, the true alpha males. Yes, after I've annihilated
every single girl in the sorority house, I'll take to
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the streets of Eyla Vista and slay every.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Single person I see there, all.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
While I've had to rotten loneliness for all these years.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
They've all looked down upon me every time I tried
to go out and join them. They've all treated me
like a mouse. Well, now I will be a god
compared to you. You will all be animals. You are animals,
and that will slaughter you like animals. I'll be a
god exacting my retribution and all those who deserve it,
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and you do deserve it, just for the crime of
living a better life than me. All you popular kids
you've never accepted me, Now you all pay for it. Girls,
all I've ever wanted was to love you and to
(17:42):
be loved by you. I've wanted a girlfriend, i wanted sex,
I've wanted love, affection, adoration. You think I'm unworthy of it,
that's a crime that can never be forgiven.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
If I can't have.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
You, girls, I will destroy you. You denied me a
happy life, and in turn, I will deny all of
you life.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
It's only fair. I hate all of you.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species. If I had
it in my power, I would stop at nothing to
reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls
and the rivers of blood. And rightfully so, you deserve
(19:00):
to be annihilated, and I'll give that to you. You
never showed me any mercy, and so I will show
you none. You forced me to suffer all my life,
(19:24):
and that I'll make you all suffer.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I've waited a long time for this. I'll give you.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Exactly what you deserve, all of you, all you girls
who rejected me and looked down upon me, and you know.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Treated me like scum.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Well you give yourselves to other men, and all of
you men for living a better life than the all
of you sexually active men. I hate you, I hate
all of you. I can't wait to give you exactly
what we deserve. Utter vhilation.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So that's the uh, that's the video that he posted.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, that was rough to watch. Slash lesson to you.
What a fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
As you heard in the video, Roger had never been kissed.
He was a virgin at twenty two, and he expressed
a stain and hatred for women and quote unquote pickup artist,
and he overall considered himself to be a nice guy.
And you might be thinking Fedora.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh yeah, no, totally. If he had been wearing a Fedora,
I'd been like, okay, the checks that fake ass, fucking
maniacal laugh. It's so theatrical, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, did you watch like an anime villain?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Back to far Right?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
What the il?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Total dork beyond and like the weirdest part is and
I will kind of on it, but he's well off.
His parents were wealthy, so he has money.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He's not ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's not ugly.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He's just a fucking dorc he is. He's a theater kid,
no offense.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, but you're right, and he his behavior and
his mental illness, which we will touch on here, prevent
him from being accepted in society, and the way that
he treats women as objects, and he's never he never
approaches women. He expects them to approach him and like
bow down to him.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And that doesn't happen for anyone.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Doesn't work like that. So we'll get into him a
little bit more. But he is a wild character. He
clearly has a little bit of narcissism going on. The
one and thirty seven page manifesto was so filled with
just self pity and the.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Woe is me, I'm a virgin.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
You can you can see how how he puts so
much physicists on getting laid.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's wild to me, and like women owe him sex,
and because they don't give him sex, he's going to
kill them all. Misogyny fucking times like a thousand.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah in cell King, Yes, And in fact, it was
through this particular event that the word in cell became mainstream.
It stands for involuntary celibate. So well, we'll kind of
get into that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So if you're an insel, get off our pod, go
on now, and get sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Go on now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
He's number one in cell, number one in sol king.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He was on multiple forums that were anti feminist and misogynistic.
One of them was called p u a hate. So
PUA hate is pick up artist hate.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So you hate other men that can pick up on yes,
fucking dump.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like how can how can these dies? How many these roots?
Like how do you not say everything like malady this
whole case?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, that's mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do you know where I heard about this case? A
lot of order SVU. They had a whole episode on it,
and I was like, this has to be a real case.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, okay, so this is the one you were talking
about the other day. I also, this case got brought
up in my gender, race, and Identity class last week,
and so I jotted it down into my notebook and
like took a picture of my little because the first
fucking paragraph and finding Feminism that of one of the
textbooks we were reading is about this motherfucker. And I
(23:46):
was like, oh, yeah, this is a fucking awful case.
We should definitely cover this. So I'm glad you're covering it.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I came in, I did my my our one line,
our top line. She goes, She's like, I know this
guy so over we all as you as I'm sure
all of you agreed, just trash. This guy's trash. According
to his manifesto, Roger had been planning this attack for
well over a year.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's crazy, and no one caught on at all because
he has no social network.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Oh some Oh, we'll get into it. Yeah. In February
twenty twelve, after not finding a girlfriend and kind of
setting a deadline for himself, he started writing about his
attack as more than just fantasy. He then became fixated,
and this is fucking bizarre on winning the lottery. Okay, yeah,
so he believed that the only way to get girls
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to sleep with him would be to become a millionaire,
a multimillionaire, and gaining wealth would be the best way
for him to get laid. He in fact, did not
win the jackpot, no shit. He mentioned in his manifesto
that he had told himself he would back out of
the attacks if he won the Mega millions.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Wow. Okay, that's quite a waking stipulation.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Which is so weird because this boy came from a
wealthy home. He was always in designer clothes, He wore
designer glasses, expensive shoes, he drove a black BMW. He
was not dirt poor, right, so it's wild to me
to think that like.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
He thought that having wealth would bring him sex but
it's not like he was a poor guy. It's not
like he was like guy.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, it's not like he was already he already I
feel like had money enough to attract women. He was
a decent person.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, he was already paid us.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Ever, many people, I get the feeling he didn't even
talk to girls based on what I've seen, and we'll
kind of go into some of the incidents that the
school that occurred where he was trying to speak with
girls and just never really could figure it out anyway,
Absolutely ridiculous. By September of twenty twelve, he purchased his
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first firearm and ammunition and started practicing at shooting ranges.
In November, he tried to win the power Ball but
failed again and began to actively plan his attack. He
purchased more guns, more ammunition, and visited more ranges. At first,
he planned to commit his attack on Halloween night in
twenty thirteen, but decided that the police presence of Halloween
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was just too high, and so he was going to
do it in mid spring instead. The date he picked
for that was April twenty sixth, twenty fourteen, but he
ended up getting sick. Despite all of that, he still
moved it up to May twenty third anyway. On the
night of May twenty third, he waited in his apartment
for his two roommates Weihan David Wang and Chang Yuan
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James Hong to return. While he was waiting, he practiced
using multiple knives in his bedroom on his bed and sheets,
which were found later. As each boy arrived, he ambushed
them and brutally attacked them with these knives, stabbing twenty
year old David Wang fifteen times and slashing him twenty
three times. While David had tried to defend himself, he
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eventually passed away, where Roger moved his body to the
corner of the room and covered him in blankets and towels.
Soon after this, twenty year old James Home came home.
He too attempted to defend himself, but passed away from
over twenty five stab wounds and twelve slashes he received.
Five of these wounds were inflicted after James had already
passed away. He did the same thing with James's body
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and tried to cover it up after putting it in
a corner with towels and blankets. Unfortunately, nineteen year old
George Chen, a friend of James and David, arrived at
their apartment to visit them. Oh Roger ambushed George as well,
stabbing him ninety four times and slashing him eleven times.
Ninety four. Roger placed George's body in the bathroom and
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tried to hide the evidence with towels and paper towels.
I don't know what he thought was going to happen,
but there was no way for him to clean up
the evidence. At this point. When he realized he couldn't
clean it up, he went into his room, changed into
clean clothes, wrapped his bloody clothes in his sheets, and
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then went to Starbucks. At seven thirty eight pm. He
got himself a triple vanilla latte while texting his mother
before returning to his apartment and writing in his journal
this kid, dude. The entry said, I had to tear
some pages out because I feared my intentions would be discovered.
I taped them back together as fast as I could.
This is it. In one hour, I will have revenge
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on this cruel world. I hate you all.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Die. Wow. What a fucking tantrum.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, that is the perfect word for it, to hantrum.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I seems like a fucking narcissistic, fucking spoiled entitled little shit.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was at this point that he mailed that or
emailed out his manifesto, and he added the message attached
to Elliott Rodgers' life story, which explains how I came
to be the way I am.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Who never mind cares.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well, it's actually really interesting that you say that, because
we'll get into it a little bit later. But people
have used this manifesto in these videos that he posted,
and written entire like right now psychiatric journal articles about it. Yeah, no,
I know, so I found a few abominable whale Actually,
actually I don't care that much about you, sir, but.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Right, but I mean, being able to look at things
like that and get into the psyche of a killer
like that is so important for trying to prevent future
massacres like this from happening. Absolutely totally understand that there's
people out there that want to get into it and
like dissected it apart, like cause I heard isy get
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a little I'm like, I care, I do care too,
but I'm just like, what a fucking narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Piece of sorry. The fact that he thought people would
give a shit.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Story attached to my manifesto.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
This is why I am the way I am because
you girls want to touch my wi wi Like shut
what a fuck up dude? Oh my god, I cannot Like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Did he not like was he not taught that you
have to like have interactions with women and treat them
with respect and have like so there's some consensual sex
with them.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There's some very interesting things that he brings up. It
sounds like his family what they were very supportive and
understanding of him, Like his mom often talks about the
fact that she knew he was socially inept, and she
had him in multiple therapy sessions, multiple psychiatrists trying to
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help him establish those socials exactly, establish social skills so that
he could interact with others. But he just seemed to
I don't know if it's genetic, like if he had
some sort of weird genetic mutation that prevented his brain
from producing the right signals. I have no idea, But
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even in his manifesto, he talks about at an early
age I think he was like five when his parents
got divorced or something, and he says that his dad
got a new girlfriend pretty quickly. After that, and even
as like a little child he was, he thought it
was like super impressive that his dad got a new
girlfriend so fast.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, that's a very impressionable age.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I guess. But I just can't imagine that being your
first thought, because most children, like if their parents.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Move on too quickly, they're right mad.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, they're like, hey, like you're kind of encroaching on
my territory. So already at that age, it sounds like
he was not responding to social situations the way that
I would have expected too.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, did they Okay, you're probably gonna talk about
his diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, we get we'll get into that. So after he
wrote in his journal, he then got into his black
BMW with the intention of carrying out the next part
of his plan detailed in the manifesto. As you heard
in the Elliot Rodgers retribution video that he uploaded to YouTube.
And actually I wanted to mention that they found that
he recorded that retribution YouTube video twice because he wanted
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it to like, he uploaded it to YouTube. Yeah when
before before the okay, yeah, but he uploaded he recorded
it two different times because he sucked it up. Yeah,
he sucked it up. The first time, and that's why
I think. I think he had a script. That's why
it sounds so it's very.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Google lap, it probably says my niacle.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Laugh, laugh, you girls, I'm the perfect gentleman, but so
stupid cross. Sorry it's okay, No, yeah, you're right though, trash.
But as you heard in the video, he wanted to
shoot up what he considered to be the hottest sorority house,
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which was Alpha Phi. However, most of the girls at
the house were away in Las Vegas that weekend, so
they were not home, and the ones who were there
didn't want company, so they just didn't answer the door,
which is crazy because he pounded on their front door
for a little while.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm good dog, And.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
In a crazy turn of events, he also actually had
a gas can with him, So I'm not sure if
his plan was to shoot everybody and then light the
house on fire.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
To get rid of evidence, Yeah, that would be my thought,
or just make it bigger spectacle.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, But he knocked on the door for a while,
nobody came to the door, he put the gas can down,
he went back to his car, and he sat in
his car for about fifteen minutes. So my thought is
he's actually waiting for one.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Of them to come outside theah or come home, or somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
To come home. While he was waiting, around nine thirty pm,
he saw three women walking by. These women wore Veronica
Weiss nineteen, Catherine, Katie Cooper twenty, and another unnamed twenty
year old victim were walking back to Delta Delta Delta
sorority house. Roger then approached them with his car and
fired multiple shots at them through his open window. The
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unnamed victim managed to call her mom as people will
come like running over to help them, and a deputy
soon arrived and began to administer first aid in CPR
to Katie. Unfortunately, both Katie and Veronica did not survive
their injuries, so they both passed away. Veronica was shot
seven times. Six of those bullets hit her legs, buttocks
in groin area. The last shot actually hit her heart
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and lungs. Katie was shot eight times and received bullets
in her heart and lungs and one to the side
of her head. In a crazy turn of events, the
unnamed victim ended up surviving. I saw in one source
like she was on the phone with her mom like
saying that she was going to die.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And can you imagine receiving that phone call.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh my god, right, and the fact that she called
her mom in nine to one one like really goes
to show that's so freaking scary. I guess some of
the bystanders were like telling her mom on the phone, like,
your daughter's gonna make it. She's gonna be fine, And
then she did. So that was really really lucky. In
the meantime, Roger sped off towards town, where he drove
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by a nearby store called for Delimart. There were people
kind of coming in and out of this deli, like
getting snacks and stuff. One of those people's twenty year
old Christopher Chris Michael's Martinez. He was at the entrance
of the deli and he was shot once in the
chest when he turned to look at Roger's car. Chris
then turned around, walked a couple steps inside the deli,
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and then fell to the ground. Roger then started shooting
at the deli, breaking all the windows and just shooting
all over. People inside were just cowering behind shelving units,
just trying to stay out of the line of fire.
There's actually pictures and I believe video of this so
I'll try to find the video, but I definitely have
the pictures that I could upload. Despite people trying their
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best to help Chris, he also died from his injuries.
Roger drove off again. While driving down the road, he
hit a man with his car before arriving at a
pizza joint called Pizza My Heart, which I thought was
the coolest name ever, Pizza my Heart. However, there he
saw a couple leaving the shop, which, as you can imagine,
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enraged him, so he shot both of them, injuring them
but not killing them. He then fired more shots into
the restaurant, where again people hid behind booze and got
on the ground. There's also pictures of that scene. Driving
further on, he shot a female cyclist in the thigh,
injuring her but not killing her. He then saw a
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woman walking down the street and she was all alone,
so he actually leaned out his window and called to her, Hey,
what's up, before he raised his gun and shot at
her multiple times. She survived as well, but claims that
the bullets barely missed her head like she felt them
go by. Oh yeah, I guess she thought at first
he was holding like a nerf gun because.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
She was like, why I'm gonna be like, hey, yeah,
he's joking around, but now he's on a fucking rampage.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
No, he's just a fucking psycho.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's so terrifying.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Roger again sped off, this time running into a sheriff's deputy,
where he shot at him three times. The deputy returned fire.
Roger again sped off, hitting two more people with his
car and shooting another man in the arm in the
buttox again, he sped off, this time hitting a male
cyclist and two male skateboarders with his car before shooting
two men in a driveway several times. Jesus Soon though,
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as it was bound to happen, Roger saw four Sheriff's
deputies and began to engage them in a shootout. One
of them managed to shoot Roger in the hip. I
don't know really know how, since he was like in
the car and the crabit. It must have gone through
the door, but it caused him to make multiple turns
onto random streets. At this point, he put his pistol
up to his head and pulled the trigger. Now get
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this and this wild ass turn of events him shooting
himself in the head caused his car to veer off
the road and hit another male bicycler. This guy rolled
off his bike onto the top of the car, smashed
the car windshield with his body, and so this is
also wild, like it doesn't even in there. The police
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when they showed up, thought it was the biker and
arrest of the bike girl, this poor man who just
got hit by a freaking car, and then they realized,
oh shit, this isn't the right guy. So then they
found you know, Elliott Roger dead in his car from
a self inflicted gunshot wound. Overall, the attack lasted only
about eight minutes, which is like crazy when you think
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of how much damage he did in eight minutes, that's insane.
They found Roger obviously dead in his car. Alongside his remains,
they found a lock thirty four, a longside handgun with
seven loaded ten round magazines, two sig sour P two,
two six handguns, two sig sour P two, two six
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handguns with thirty four loaded ten round magazines, and it
were five hundred rounds of live ammunition, and the two
knives that he used on his roommates earlier. One was
a six inch s RK knife and the other was
a nine inch hunting knife. So I'm sure you guys
like me were like, there's no way nobody knew this
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was coming, right, There's no freaking way, right, especially because
he had been posting shit on the YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yes, on the p UA hate page two on the blog.
We'll see up on that.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Bitch, you who know he was dog in fact, after
to make.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Them pay, retribution will be mine.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
All this shit. Dude bright into his boys, sot in
cell friends crazy but p u A had to shut
down after this good, but then they all just went
to other Well yeah, there's four chan and shit, so
this is kind of crazy. So prior to all this happening,
his mom had seen some of these videos and she
was concerned. Right, she's not enough.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
She called, She called the police.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
She called multiple people, so she called a hotline for
like people who she like, people who are in danger
of like mental issues. That person told her to call
the called basically the police.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Oh call some here, call someone else, call someone else,
your run around.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well the police said, oh, well we can do a
welfare check and she' said okay, thank you. They go
over there, they talk to him at his doorway. Yeah,
and they go, it seems fine, seems like a normal
chill kid. They said he was polite.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh yeah, he's a perfect gentleman.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
However, yeah, had they searched the house, they might have
found some suspicious items like the following. A messy ass
room with pharmacy documents for multiple psychological prescriptions that I'm
assuming he wasn't taking. Two gun cleaning kits, empty ammunition
boxes and magazines, energy drinks, lottery tickets.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Of course, that sounds like my rooms.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
A copy of Art and the Artist Seduction by Robert
Green YEP. A folding knife, a zombie killer knife which
was a ten inch two hundred and fifty millimeter blade,
an eighteen inch four hundred and sixty millimeter for you
over the pond folks, blade, machete, a sledge hammer, and
multiple other knives.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If I were to be psychologically profiled and someone were
to go through my room.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, but as somebody calling the police and saying, hey,
I think this girl is a danger to others, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, if they don't have a warrant, they can't go through.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But they could have asked.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I could have asked him to go through it, sure,
because he's be like she probably would have said, docile,
you're just men, cell and.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I'm afraid of police. I'm afraid of men.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I'm afraid of women too, at.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Least terrified of women. What's crazy to me was the
fact that of all the people he did kill, most
of them were men. Mm hmmm, because of his hateful
men who could get women?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Why did he kill his roommates? Did they have girlfriends?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
So I don't know if they had girlfriends, but I
do know that they kind of had some issues in
the past where.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
They pick up artists that they make fun of him
for being a virgin.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Maybe Weirdly enough, when they finally did get search warns
for his cell phone records, they also found over two
hundred selfies and videos of him just videoing himself so
hyper narcissistic, hyper like he was always like poke.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Landers, yeah you're steal and.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
So he's like, I'm super hot. Why don't girls just
like fawn all over me? Basically it was.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Best with yourself and people like to have a two
sided conversation.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, it's wild, Like I feel like and maybe I
shouldn't put this in here, but.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You can cut out as a just speculating here.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I just feel like, to not find a girl when
you're rich and okay looking, yeah, shows me that you
are trash, Like you're a trash person.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, yeah, you probably treated anyone he came across like
they were lesser than him. I'm assuming if you had
this fucking god complex where he was just like this
hyper narcissistic person that only cared about themselves, only cared
about their looks, and only cared about what was happening
to them Like, it just seems like he was incredibly
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self centered and only had like a one track mind of.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Me me me, oh absolutely, my penis, Oh, there's no
doubt about it. Well, and one lest thing before we
wrap up for the day, which means, yes, this will
be a two parter. But I wanted to bring up
this incident that he talks about in his manifesto, which
surrounds a party that he went to. So it was
a college party at somebody's house. I don't know if
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he got invited, if he just fucking showed up, but
he goes there and he is determined to get himself
a girlfriend or at least talk to girls. He gets there,
he drinks some vodka to try to call him his
snurves and it kind of backfires. Oh no, he still
finds he can't talk to girls, and instead he sort
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of gets up on the roof where like, I guess
a bunch of kids are like on the roof a
little bit like sitting up there, and he starts making
a finger gun and starts pretending to shoot people off
the roof.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
He then starts trying to push girls who are up
there off, and then a bunch of guys push him
off and he breaks his ankle. I mean, so he
was being an obnoxious little fucker. She's an absolute brat,
and so he got hurt for it. He got pushed off,
and so it kind of just fueled his aggression.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Of course, why won't you let me push these girls
off the roof?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
He's like, what are you being mean to me?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Are you bullying me?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I feel like we all know this kid.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, But that is where we're gonna leave it. Per
part two, which we will talk about next time. Candace
is also probably gonna chime in quite a bit from
her class and just like on the feminist issues, and
I'll talk a bit about like how it influenced.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Big old social movement.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Socially huge social movement.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, but cool.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
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Speaker 1 (45:50):
Otherwise, well you will catch you in the next one
and remember stay spooky bye h. Actually actually.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
It's all this talk about in cells making our neck
feards come in.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Actually actually
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the podcast that takes a look at the darker side
of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on the side.
I am your host, Sahara, I'm Candace, and today we
are going to be talking about Elliott Roger and the
Ila Vista murders.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shut the fuck up. I was gonna do this case.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Were you?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Yes, didn't I tell you about him already last week?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No? I was. We were literally just talking about this
in my feminism class last week.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
That is so funny. I swear I talked to you
in Maybe it was just Brett.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I could have probably been zoning.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
The fuck out, which, okay, I understand this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'd be doing that at any chance.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Did you see the video titled Retribution?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, well we'll be watching that today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, that's crazy. That's so funny. I was literally going
to start researching that case, but dude, it so I
don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a fucking crazy case. Yeah, and I feel like
it could have easily been a two parter.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh yeah, because of all the fallout and what like.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
All the crazy shit that happens afterwards, and maybe it
will be I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
We'll see you got protein bar there, friend?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, I need to find the ones that I had
in Poland because I would literally go, like I would
walk the hour it took to get to the little
store that was the closest store to our little camp
and pack up on these fucking protein bars for the week.
And they were so good. They had like an Oreo
one and peat butter chocolate on the one. But there's
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kind of blueberry one.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh my god, listeners, please.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Help us help the crisp rice in it too.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh that's the way though. It's the best, because I
really need I need something that's going to satisfy my
texture issues. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I know exactly what you mean the sweetness factor. And
also obviously we're trying to get that protein in because
apparently we need a fucked out of protein.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Dude, do you know you're supposed to have like one
gram of protein for every poundy weigh?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah that's a lot. Yeah, I know. I have those
Premiere protein shakes. They're like thirty grams yep, but I
would have to drink six and a half of them.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Well, if that's what's all you were eating, right, yeah,
because it's just like the problem is, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I'm not going to just eat fucking protein shakes.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And even then, my understanding is it's not as good
for you.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, it's natural protein. Yeah yeah, No, there's all kinds
of chemicals and sit there. I'm sure it's not great
for your stomach.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Imagine drinking six of those.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would probably it would be ship in my pants
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Obviously we're talking about proteins.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Protein queens. If you've got any tips for how we
can reach our protein goals, hit us up because your
girl needs help. Yeah, your girls need help.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Your girls need help. I have found two little protein
snacks that I can get down on, but I'm always
open to more.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I need more suggestions. And if you have like apps
that you can recommend for tracking that ship and just
generally helped by some general I'm struggling, We're struggling. I
appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
We love we love business. But welcome back to another episode, y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Welcome, Welcome to.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
The thunder Doll.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The Thunder. Two men enter, one man leaves. He was
in so I had to watch the weird Al Yankovic
story movie for my film and music or my music
and film class, which is hilarious because we didn't watch
a horror movie that he wanted us to watch because
one of the girls was very, very sensitive to any
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type of gore. So we ended up watching Weird and
Patton Oswald, I forgot, was in the crowd at this
little bar that they go and play at for the
first time, and he's just like talking shit and then
he's like, oh my god, I love this guys. He's
dressed up like a biker and it's my favorite thing ever.
All his little minor roles are my five.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I love that so much.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been it's been week Bryan, one week since
Brett was on the pod, So thank you, Brett.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You can come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But now we're back to our regularly scheduled programming and
hopefully we won't miss any more weeks. I don't know.
I've been saying that for two months.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So here we are, Here we are, and my god,
has it been a fucking week already. It's only the
second week of school, and I swear for every single
class I have so much reading already.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's only the second week.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, it's only the second week of school. I know
my professor one of them is at the third week
of school today and we're all like, no, girl, it's
only the second.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I want to die. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I did get some good news, Oh tell me, for
my friendsic anthropology class, we get to potentially go and
view an autopsy at the medical Examiner's office for class.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That'll be so awesome and they're so informative.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, exactly, and I feel like it will definitely help
people that are on the fence about pursuing a career
in this realm. I'm very excited about it. I even
like messaged with the coordinator at the corner's office and
it was like, hey girl or the medical Examiner's office,
and she wrote me back and I got all excited.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
About That's freaking awesome, dude, good news. Very excited for you.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
But today I actually want to take us back back
in time to a little coffee shop right down the
street from Kandas's house called no Quazy Bean Lfree Holiday Loco.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Oh shit, that's right. We're so good at Spanish.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I'm the best at it. Very good capitals states Spanish.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's me trifecta.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But this little coffee shop, which I do think has
one of the funniest names on Earth. But I went
in there. Candas wasn't there, but I was there.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Fucking would buy my house and didn't even say huh.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But I was busy, was hungry, but I was hungry,
and so I went into the Crazy Bean, which, if
you recall from the episode we recovered it the first time,
it's a coffee shop forward slash like gym forward slash,
shooting range slash.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
She can get yours concealed carry permit.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
There it's concealed cary permit. And then there's like it's
like martial arts.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right, there's like a I don't know if it's muy
Tired kickbox or some shit.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Y'all, what the hell, it's crazy crazy Beans. But they
have something to eat there that is called the hot
Mess Express. I don't know if it's called the hot
Mess Express, but it's definitely called the hot Mess, called
the hot Mess, and that's whybly why they don't, but
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it is so good, y'all. It's a freaking bagel that
they slather in like cheese and spicy sauce and they
put a whole ass hash brown in there, an egg
and more cheese.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Cheese on cheese on hash browns on cheese. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I got myself the Halipino chitter bab, got the spicy sauce,
got the egg, got the cheeses. I think there was
cream cheese, I'm not sure the cheese. It was so good.
I was like squishing it. I'm like, this is a
hefty sandwich. And as a vegetarian, I had to ask
them like take out the meats, and they were like
super nice about it and they were like, no problem
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at all, got you, fam And it was delicioso.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Mo. Try that it's going to be dangerous though. I
really like it and it's my d.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It is very tasty, but it is also, I will say,
very dense, so I don't know. Like halfway through all
was like shit and shit, I did.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Shipped my pants again. Protein shakes and fucking cheese bagel messes.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh yeah, they had some amazing protein shake options in
there in their fridge. Because I'm assuming it's because it's connected.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
To the that makes sense. They're marketing towards their their
gym clanel patrons. Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
She was amazing. I was like, Wow, this is exactly
what I was looking for. Who would have thought not me?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Cheese bagel, cheese bagel, cheese bagel. Did you know cheese
has lots of protein? I did.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
I love cheese.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I found it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I also love cheese, and eggs have so not as
much protein as I thought. That was reason much higher.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Six fucking Graham's that's nothing else, bullshit eggs. Get your
shit together, be more excellent.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Can't just get out on that beautiful pun On that note,
We're gonna go ahead and switch it on over to
something a little less lighthearted. Maybe not, maybe it'll just
be light hearted all day.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, this is a terrible case.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Damn spoiler alerts, spoilers.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
This one's aduze.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
This one's a doozy. So grab on your your boom
hoole bum holes and strap in, baby.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So I love.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Vista, California, is a small community located around nine miles
from the city of Santa Barbara. Can I tell you
something kind of embarrassing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So you know that TV show Psych? Yes, from Santa Barbara,
that's where they're at.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Do you love that show?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I love I love that show. Yeah, I thought Santa
Barbara was a made up place because oh, because it's
in the show. Yeah, And I was like, Santa Barbara
sounds nice. Turns out it's it's nice and it's real,
So that was exciting. Hello Santa Barbara listeners, if you're
out there. I love the way your whole city looks.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It's very quaint and cute and adorable.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Beche be chee.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
You got people rinsing off the showers and their driveway
from the beach with their fucking surfboards and wow, get
little hippies going on all over the place like Santa Cruz. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's reminiscent.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, we shuld all go to Santa Barbara. Elea Vista
is the community that's actually directly adjacent to the University
of California, Santa Barbara, so you se SB and nearly
all the people who live there are students of that university,
So it's kind of known as the neighborhood for the
young and adventurous, like fun and exciting. Almost everywhere you
go there's little coffee shops or grub spots and party spots,
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and it's also right next to the beach, making it
an incredible location for ocean lovers. I spent some time
digging into its crime rate. So the crime rate isn't great.
It actually has an f for violent crimes on crime grade. However,
when you dig in a little further, you find that
most of those crimes occur near the bars and the
clubs in the retail areas, and assault is the number
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one offense, and murder is like less than one percent
of those crimes.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, so there's lots of bar fights going on.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, And I mean as a
college town, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That being said, no one could have expected what would
happen to this town on May twenty third, two fourteen,
and how it would shape so much of our culture today.
A student at the University Elliott Roger was a known
misogynist and woke up that morning in a rage. Around
nine pm that day, he sent out a one hundred
and thirty seven page manifesto detailing his life, including major
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life events, his inability to connect with women and his peers,
and he also detailed fantasies for getting revenge on women
who didn't pay attention to him and men who he
considered unworthy of women's attention. He sent this document to
thirty four people, including his parents, his counselor's childhood friends,
and his psychiatrists. By the time his rampage was over,
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he had killed seven people, including himself, and injured fourteen
others using knives, semi automatic pistols, and a black BMW.
He also uploaded a video titled Retribution before completing his crimes.
I'm going to go ahead and play that for everybody, because,
first of all, this kid is such a dork. He's
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such a dork. The fact that he acted on this
is so horrifying, Like I never would have expected it
to him actually, because of how goofy this kid is.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So give us a listen, Hi, Elliott Roger here, Well,
this is my last video.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
It all has to come to this.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which
I will have my revenge against humanity, against all of you.
For the last eight years of my life, ever since
I've hit puberty, I've been forced to endure an existence
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of loneliness, rejection, and unfulfilled desires. Well because girls have
never been attracted to me. Girls gave their affection and
sex and love to other men, but never to me.
I'm twenty two years old and I'm still a virgin.
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I've never even kissed a girl. I've been through college
for two and a half years more than that, actually,
and I'm still a virgin and has been very torturous.
College is the time when everyone experiences those things such
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as sex and fun and pleasure.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's
not fair.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't
know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I
will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime,
because I don't know he's on seeing me. I'm the
perfect guy, and yet you throw yourselves at all these
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obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
I will punish all of you for it.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
On the day of retribution, I am going to enter
the hottest sorority house of UCSB. I will slaughter every
single spoiled, stuck up blonde slut. I see inside there,
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all those girls that I've desired so much. They would
have all rejected me and looked down upon me as
an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance
towards them while they throw themselves at these obnoxious brutes.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You will finally see that I am, in truth, the
superior one, the true alpha males. Yes, after I've annihilated
every single girl in the sorority house, I'll take to
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the streets of Eyla Vista and slay every.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Single person I see there, all.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
While I've had to rotten loneliness for all these years.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
They've all looked down upon me every time I tried
to go out and join them. They've all treated me
like a mouse. Well, now I will be a god
compared to you. You will all be animals. You are animals,
and that will slaughter you like animals. I'll be a
god exacting my retribution and all those who deserve it,
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and you do deserve it, just for the crime of
living a better life than me. All you popular kids
you've never accepted me, Now you all pay for it. Girls,
all I've ever wanted was to love you and to
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be loved by you. I've wanted a girlfriend, i wanted sex,
I've wanted love, affection, adoration. You think I'm unworthy of it,
that's a crime that can never be forgiven.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
If I can't have.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
You, girls, I will destroy you. You denied me a
happy life, and in turn, I will deny all of
you life.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
It's only fair. I hate all of you.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Humanity is a disgusting, wretched, depraved species. If I had
it in my power, I would stop at nothing to
reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls
and the rivers of blood. And rightfully so, you deserve
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to be annihilated, and I'll give that to you. You
never showed me any mercy, and so I will show
you none. You forced me to suffer all my life,
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and that I'll make you all suffer.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I've waited a long time for this. I'll give you.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Exactly what you deserve, all of you, all you girls
who rejected me and looked down upon me, and you know.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Treated me like scum.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Well you give yourselves to other men, and all of
you men for living a better life than the all
of you sexually active men. I hate you, I hate
all of you. I can't wait to give you exactly
what we deserve. Utter vhilation.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
So that's the uh, that's the video that he posted.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, that was rough to watch. Slash lesson to you.
What a fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
As you heard in the video, Roger had never been kissed.
He was a virgin at twenty two, and he expressed
a stain and hatred for women and quote unquote pickup artist,
and he overall considered himself to be a nice guy.
And you might be thinking Fedora.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh yeah, no, totally. If he had been wearing a Fedora,
I'd been like, okay, the checks that fake ass, fucking
maniacal laugh. It's so theatrical, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I'm like, did you watch like an anime villain?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Back to far Right?
Speaker 5 (20:53):
What the il?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Total dork beyond and like the weirdest part is and
I will kind of on it, but he's well off.
His parents were wealthy, so he has money.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
He's not ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's not ugly.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He's just a fucking dorc he is. He's a theater kid,
no offense.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, but you're right, and he his behavior and
his mental illness, which we will touch on here, prevent
him from being accepted in society, and the way that
he treats women as objects, and he's never he never
approaches women. He expects them to approach him and like
bow down to him.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And that doesn't happen for anyone.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Doesn't work like that. So we'll get into him a
little bit more. But he is a wild character. He
clearly has a little bit of narcissism going on. The
one and thirty seven page manifesto was so filled with
just self pity and the.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Woe is me, I'm a virgin.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
You can you can see how how he puts so
much physicists on getting laid.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's wild to me, and like women owe him sex,
and because they don't give him sex, he's going to
kill them all. Misogyny fucking times like a thousand.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah in cell King, Yes, And in fact, it was
through this particular event that the word in cell became mainstream.
It stands for involuntary celibate. So well, we'll kind of
get into that.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So if you're an insel, get off our pod, go
on now, and get sorry.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Go on now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
He's number one in cell, number one in sol king.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He was on multiple forums that were anti feminist and misogynistic.
One of them was called p u a hate. So
PUA hate is pick up artist hate.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So you hate other men that can pick up on yes,
fucking dump.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Like how can how can these dies? How many these roots?
Like how do you not say everything like malady this
whole case?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, that's mom. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Do you know where I heard about this case? A
lot of order SVU. They had a whole episode on it,
and I was like, this has to be a real case.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, okay, so this is the one you were talking
about the other day. I also, this case got brought
up in my gender, race, and Identity class last week,
and so I jotted it down into my notebook and
like took a picture of my little because the first
fucking paragraph and finding Feminism that of one of the
textbooks we were reading is about this motherfucker. And I
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was like, oh, yeah, this is a fucking awful case.
We should definitely cover this. So I'm glad you're covering it.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I came in, I did my my our one line,
our top line. She goes, She's like, I know this
guy so over we all as you as I'm sure
all of you agreed, just trash. This guy's trash. According
to his manifesto, Roger had been planning this attack for
well over a year.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's crazy, and no one caught on at all because
he has no social network.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Oh some Oh, we'll get into it. Yeah. In February
twenty twelve, after not finding a girlfriend and kind of
setting a deadline for himself, he started writing about his
attack as more than just fantasy. He then became fixated,
and this is fucking bizarre on winning the lottery. Okay, yeah,
so he believed that the only way to get girls
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to sleep with him would be to become a millionaire,
a multimillionaire, and gaining wealth would be the best way
for him to get laid. He in fact, did not
win the jackpot, no shit. He mentioned in his manifesto
that he had told himself he would back out of
the attacks if he won the Mega millions.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Wow. Okay, that's quite a waking stipulation.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Which is so weird because this boy came from a
wealthy home. He was always in designer clothes, He wore
designer glasses, expensive shoes, he drove a black BMW. He
was not dirt poor, right, so it's wild to me
to think that like.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
He thought that having wealth would bring him sex but
it's not like he was a poor guy. It's not
like he was like guy.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, it's not like he was already he already I
feel like had money enough to attract women. He was
a decent person.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, he was already paid us.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Ever, many people, I get the feeling he didn't even
talk to girls based on what I've seen, and we'll
kind of go into some of the incidents that the
school that occurred where he was trying to speak with
girls and just never really could figure it out anyway,
Absolutely ridiculous. By September of twenty twelve, he purchased his
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first firearm and ammunition and started practicing at shooting ranges.
In November, he tried to win the power Ball but
failed again and began to actively plan his attack. He
purchased more guns, more ammunition, and visited more ranges. At first,
he planned to commit his attack on Halloween night in
twenty thirteen, but decided that the police presence of Halloween
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was just too high, and so he was going to
do it in mid spring instead. The date he picked
for that was April twenty sixth, twenty fourteen, but he
ended up getting sick. Despite all of that, he still
moved it up to May twenty third anyway. On the
night of May twenty third, he waited in his apartment
for his two roommates Weihan David Wang and Chang Yuan
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James Hong to return. While he was waiting, he practiced
using multiple knives in his bedroom on his bed and sheets,
which were found later. As each boy arrived, he ambushed
them and brutally attacked them with these knives, stabbing twenty
year old David Wang fifteen times and slashing him twenty
three times. While David had tried to defend himself, he
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eventually passed away, where Roger moved his body to the
corner of the room and covered him in blankets and towels.
Soon after this, twenty year old James Home came home.
He too attempted to defend himself, but passed away from
over twenty five stab wounds and twelve slashes he received.
Five of these wounds were inflicted after James had already
passed away. He did the same thing with James's body
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and tried to cover it up after putting it in
a corner with towels and blankets. Unfortunately, nineteen year old
George Chen, a friend of James and David, arrived at
their apartment to visit them. Oh Roger ambushed George as well,
stabbing him ninety four times and slashing him eleven times.
Ninety four. Roger placed George's body in the bathroom and
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tried to hide the evidence with towels and paper towels.
I don't know what he thought was going to happen,
but there was no way for him to clean up
the evidence. At this point. When he realized he couldn't
clean it up, he went into his room, changed into
clean clothes, wrapped his bloody clothes in his sheets, and
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then went to Starbucks. At seven thirty eight pm. He
got himself a triple vanilla latte while texting his mother
before returning to his apartment and writing in his journal
this kid, dude. The entry said, I had to tear
some pages out because I feared my intentions would be discovered.
I taped them back together as fast as I could.
This is it. In one hour, I will have revenge
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on this cruel world. I hate you all.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Die. Wow. What a fucking tantrum.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, that is the perfect word for it, to hantrum.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I seems like a fucking narcissistic, fucking spoiled entitled little shit.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was at this point that he mailed that or
emailed out his manifesto, and he added the message attached
to Elliott Rodgers' life story, which explains how I came
to be the way I am.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Who never mind cares.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well, it's actually really interesting that you say that, because
we'll get into it a little bit later. But people
have used this manifesto in these videos that he posted,
and written entire like right now psychiatric journal articles about it. Yeah, no,
I know, so I found a few abominable whale Actually,
actually I don't care that much about you, sir, but.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Right, but I mean, being able to look at things
like that and get into the psyche of a killer
like that is so important for trying to prevent future
massacres like this from happening. Absolutely totally understand that there's
people out there that want to get into it and
like dissected it apart, like cause I heard isy get
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a little I'm like, I care, I do care too,
but I'm just like, what a fucking narcissistic.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Piece of sorry. The fact that he thought people would
give a shit.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Story attached to my manifesto.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
This is why I am the way I am because
you girls want to touch my wi wi Like shut
what a fuck up dude? Oh my god, I cannot Like,
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Did he not like was he not taught that you
have to like have interactions with women and treat them
with respect and have like so there's some consensual sex
with them.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
There's some very interesting things that he brings up. It
sounds like his family what they were very supportive and
understanding of him, Like his mom often talks about the
fact that she knew he was socially inept, and she
had him in multiple therapy sessions, multiple psychiatrists trying to
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help him establish those socials exactly, establish social skills so that
he could interact with others. But he just seemed to
I don't know if it's genetic, like if he had
some sort of weird genetic mutation that prevented his brain
from producing the right signals. I have no idea, But
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even in his manifesto, he talks about at an early
age I think he was like five when his parents
got divorced or something, and he says that his dad
got a new girlfriend pretty quickly. After that, and even
as like a little child he was, he thought it
was like super impressive that his dad got a new
girlfriend so fast.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, that's a very impressionable age.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I guess. But I just can't imagine that being your
first thought, because most children, like if their parents.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Move on too quickly, they're right mad.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, they're like, hey, like you're kind of encroaching on
my territory. So already at that age, it sounds like
he was not responding to social situations the way that
I would have expected too.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, yeah, did they Okay, you're probably gonna talk about
his diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, we get we'll get into that. So after he
wrote in his journal, he then got into his black
BMW with the intention of carrying out the next part
of his plan detailed in the manifesto. As you heard
in the Elliot Rodgers retribution video that he uploaded to YouTube.
And actually I wanted to mention that they found that
he recorded that retribution YouTube video twice because he wanted
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it to like, he uploaded it to YouTube. Yeah when
before before the okay, yeah, but he uploaded he recorded
it two different times because he sucked it up. Yeah,
he sucked it up. The first time, and that's why
I think. I think he had a script. That's why
it sounds so it's very.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Google lap, it probably says my niacle.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Laugh, laugh, you girls, I'm the perfect gentleman, but so
stupid cross. Sorry it's okay, No, yeah, you're right though, trash.
But as you heard in the video, he wanted to
shoot up what he considered to be the hottest sorority house,
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which was Alpha Phi. However, most of the girls at
the house were away in Las Vegas that weekend, so
they were not home, and the ones who were there
didn't want company, so they just didn't answer the door,
which is crazy because he pounded on their front door
for a little while.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I'm good dog, And.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
In a crazy turn of events, he also actually had
a gas can with him, So I'm not sure if
his plan was to shoot everybody and then light the
house on fire.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
To get rid of evidence, Yeah, that would be my thought,
or just make it bigger spectacle.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, But he knocked on the door for a while,
nobody came to the door, he put the gas can down,
he went back to his car, and he sat in
his car for about fifteen minutes. So my thought is
he's actually waiting for one.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Of them to come outside theah or come home, or somebody.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
To come home. While he was waiting, around nine thirty pm,
he saw three women walking by. These women wore Veronica
Weiss nineteen, Catherine, Katie Cooper twenty, and another unnamed twenty
year old victim were walking back to Delta Delta Delta
sorority house. Roger then approached them with his car and
fired multiple shots at them through his open window. The
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unnamed victim managed to call her mom as people will
come like running over to help them, and a deputy
soon arrived and began to administer first aid in CPR
to Katie. Unfortunately, both Katie and Veronica did not survive
their injuries, so they both passed away. Veronica was shot
seven times. Six of those bullets hit her legs, buttocks
in groin area. The last shot actually hit her heart
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and lungs. Katie was shot eight times and received bullets
in her heart and lungs and one to the side
of her head. In a crazy turn of events, the
unnamed victim ended up surviving. I saw in one source
like she was on the phone with her mom like
saying that she was going to die.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And can you imagine receiving that phone call.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh my god, right, and the fact that she called
her mom in nine to one one like really goes
to show that's so freaking scary. I guess some of
the bystanders were like telling her mom on the phone, like,
your daughter's gonna make it. She's gonna be fine, And
then she did. So that was really really lucky. In
the meantime, Roger sped off towards town, where he drove
(35:10):
by a nearby store called for Delimart. There were people
kind of coming in and out of this deli, like
getting snacks and stuff. One of those people's twenty year
old Christopher Chris Michael's Martinez. He was at the entrance
of the deli and he was shot once in the
chest when he turned to look at Roger's car. Chris
then turned around, walked a couple steps inside the deli,
(35:33):
and then fell to the ground. Roger then started shooting
at the deli, breaking all the windows and just shooting
all over. People inside were just cowering behind shelving units,
just trying to stay out of the line of fire.
There's actually pictures and I believe video of this so
I'll try to find the video, but I definitely have
the pictures that I could upload. Despite people trying their
(35:54):
best to help Chris, he also died from his injuries.
Roger drove off again. While driving down the road, he
hit a man with his car before arriving at a
pizza joint called Pizza My Heart, which I thought was
the coolest name ever, Pizza my Heart. However, there he
saw a couple leaving the shop, which, as you can imagine,
(36:17):
enraged him, so he shot both of them, injuring them
but not killing them. He then fired more shots into
the restaurant, where again people hid behind booze and got
on the ground. There's also pictures of that scene. Driving
further on, he shot a female cyclist in the thigh,
injuring her but not killing her. He then saw a
(36:38):
woman walking down the street and she was all alone,
so he actually leaned out his window and called to her, Hey,
what's up, before he raised his gun and shot at
her multiple times. She survived as well, but claims that
the bullets barely missed her head like she felt them
go by. Oh yeah, I guess she thought at first
he was holding like a nerf gun because.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
She was like, why I'm gonna be like, hey, yeah,
he's joking around, but now he's on a fucking rampage.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
No, he's just a fucking psycho.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's so terrifying.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Roger again sped off, this time running into a sheriff's deputy,
where he shot at him three times. The deputy returned fire.
Roger again sped off, hitting two more people with his
car and shooting another man in the arm in the
buttox again, he sped off, this time hitting a male
cyclist and two male skateboarders with his car before shooting
two men in a driveway several times. Jesus Soon though,
(37:45):
as it was bound to happen, Roger saw four Sheriff's
deputies and began to engage them in a shootout. One
of them managed to shoot Roger in the hip. I
don't know really know how, since he was like in
the car and the crabit. It must have gone through
the door, but it caused him to make multiple turns
onto random streets. At this point, he put his pistol
up to his head and pulled the trigger. Now get
(38:07):
this and this wild ass turn of events him shooting
himself in the head caused his car to veer off
the road and hit another male bicycler. This guy rolled
off his bike onto the top of the car, smashed
the car windshield with his body, and so this is
also wild, like it doesn't even in there. The police
(38:30):
when they showed up, thought it was the biker and
arrest of the bike girl, this poor man who just
got hit by a freaking car, and then they realized,
oh shit, this isn't the right guy. So then they
found you know, Elliott Roger dead in his car from
a self inflicted gunshot wound. Overall, the attack lasted only
about eight minutes, which is like crazy when you think
(38:50):
of how much damage he did in eight minutes, that's insane.
They found Roger obviously dead in his car. Alongside his remains,
they found a lock thirty four, a longside handgun with
seven loaded ten round magazines, two sig sour P two,
two six handguns, two sig sour P two, two six
(39:12):
handguns with thirty four loaded ten round magazines, and it
were five hundred rounds of live ammunition, and the two
knives that he used on his roommates earlier. One was
a six inch s RK knife and the other was
a nine inch hunting knife. So I'm sure you guys
like me were like, there's no way nobody knew this
(39:34):
was coming, right, There's no freaking way, right, especially because
he had been posting shit on the YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yes, on the p UA hate page two on the blog.
We'll see up on that.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Bitch, you who know he was dog in fact, after
to make.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Them pay, retribution will be mine.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
All this shit. Dude bright into his boys, sot in
cell friends crazy but p u A had to shut
down after this good, but then they all just went
to other Well yeah, there's four chan and shit, so
this is kind of crazy. So prior to all this happening,
his mom had seen some of these videos and she
was concerned. Right, she's not enough.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
She called, She called the police.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
She called multiple people, so she called a hotline for
like people who she like, people who are in danger
of like mental issues. That person told her to call
the called basically the police.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Oh call some here, call someone else, call someone else,
your run around.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well the police said, oh, well we can do a
welfare check and she' said okay, thank you. They go
over there, they talk to him at his doorway. Yeah,
and they go, it seems fine, seems like a normal
chill kid. They said he was polite.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh yeah, he's a perfect gentleman.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
However, yeah, had they searched the house, they might have
found some suspicious items like the following. A messy ass
room with pharmacy documents for multiple psychological prescriptions that I'm
assuming he wasn't taking. Two gun cleaning kits, empty ammunition
boxes and magazines, energy drinks, lottery tickets.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Of course, that sounds like my rooms.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
A copy of Art and the Artist Seduction by Robert
Green YEP. A folding knife, a zombie killer knife which
was a ten inch two hundred and fifty millimeter blade,
an eighteen inch four hundred and sixty millimeter for you
over the pond folks, blade, machete, a sledge hammer, and
multiple other knives.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
If I were to be psychologically profiled and someone were
to go through my room.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, but as somebody calling the police and saying, hey,
I think this girl is a danger to others, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, if they don't have a warrant, they can't go through.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But they could have asked.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I could have asked him to go through it, sure,
because he's be like she probably would have said, docile,
you're just men, cell and.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
I'm afraid of police. I'm afraid of men.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I'm afraid of women too, at.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Least terrified of women. What's crazy to me was the
fact that of all the people he did kill, most
of them were men. Mm hmmm, because of his hateful
men who could get women?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Why did he kill his roommates? Did they have girlfriends?
Speaker 1 (42:21):
So I don't know if they had girlfriends, but I
do know that they kind of had some issues in
the past where.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
They pick up artists that they make fun of him
for being a virgin.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Maybe Weirdly enough, when they finally did get search warns
for his cell phone records, they also found over two
hundred selfies and videos of him just videoing himself so
hyper narcissistic, hyper like he was always like poke.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Landers, yeah you're steal and.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
So he's like, I'm super hot. Why don't girls just
like fawn all over me? Basically it was.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Best with yourself and people like to have a two
sided conversation.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, it's wild, Like I feel like and maybe I
shouldn't put this in here, but.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You can cut out as a just speculating here.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
I just feel like, to not find a girl when
you're rich and okay looking, yeah, shows me that you
are trash, Like you're a trash person.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Well, yeah, you probably treated anyone he came across like
they were lesser than him. I'm assuming if you had
this fucking god complex where he was just like this
hyper narcissistic person that only cared about themselves, only cared
about their looks, and only cared about what was happening
to them Like, it just seems like he was incredibly
(43:40):
self centered and only had like a one track mind of.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Me me me, oh absolutely, my penis, Oh, there's no
doubt about it. Well, and one lest thing before we
wrap up for the day, which means, yes, this will
be a two parter. But I wanted to bring up
this incident that he talks about in his manifesto, which
surrounds a party that he went to. So it was
a college party at somebody's house. I don't know if
(44:10):
he got invited, if he just fucking showed up, but
he goes there and he is determined to get himself
a girlfriend or at least talk to girls. He gets there,
he drinks some vodka to try to call him his
snurves and it kind of backfires. Oh no, he still
finds he can't talk to girls, and instead he sort
(44:32):
of gets up on the roof where like, I guess
a bunch of kids are like on the roof a
little bit like sitting up there, and he starts making
a finger gun and starts pretending to shoot people off
the roof.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
He then starts trying to push girls who are up
there off, and then a bunch of guys push him
off and he breaks his ankle. I mean, so he
was being an obnoxious little fucker. She's an absolute brat,
and so he got hurt for it. He got pushed off,
and so it kind of just fueled his aggression.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Of course, why won't you let me push these girls
off the roof?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
He's like, what are you being mean to me?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Are you bullying me?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I feel like we all know this kid.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Kid.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, But that is where we're gonna leave it. Per
part two, which we will talk about next time. Candace
is also probably gonna chime in quite a bit from
her class and just like on the feminist issues, and
I'll talk a bit about like how it influenced.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Big old social movement.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Socially huge social movement.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, but cool.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Otherwise, if you have any case corrections, have anything you
wanna on us to talk about, hit us up on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Scream dot and Dot Sugar, Dot podcast on Facebook, Scream
and sugar troop gram, copy Hour on TikTok, Scream dot
and Dot sugar, or hit.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Us up on Gmail Scream and Sugar.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Reno at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Otherwise, well you will catch you in the next one
and remember stay spooky bye h. Actually actually.
Speaker 6 (46:36):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
It's all this talk about in cells making our neck
feards come in.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Actually actually
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