Ep 55 - The Alleged Rainey St. Serial Killer

Hey Spooky Squad! Welcome back to another episode of Scream and Sugar, your true crime coffee hour. Today we are talking about a serial killer, or lack thereof, in Austin, Texas, who's allegedly stalking Rainy St. 
Since 2022, a chilling pattern has haunted Austin, Texas—bodies of young men have been found in Lady Bird Lake, near the bustling bars and music venues of Rainy Street. Official reports have often ruled these deaths as accidental or self-inflicted, but locals aren’t convinced.
Are these tragic drownings a coincidence? Or the work of a serial predator hiding in plain sight? In this episode of Scream and Sugar, we unravel the unsettling timeline, examine the victims, and dive into the growing theories that point to something far more sinister lurking along the shores of this beloved nightlife district.

Grab your coffee and your curiosity, and remember to stay spooky, ya'll!

Case Notes: 
Petition: https://www.change.org/p/austin-police-department-acknolwedge-that-the-austin-drownings-may-not-be-accidents?redirect_reason=guest_user

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back, everybody to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the true crime podcast that dives into the darker side
of humanity. While say, we're in a little sweetness on
the side. I am your host Sahara, and today we
are going to be covering the Rainy Street serial killer.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
What did we do? We clean the house, like we
cleaned it. But it was nice. Yeah, it was really.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Nice, like kind of chill. Yeah, I'm into that.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Deep.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I deep cleaned my eyes yesterday and it was awesome
because I didn't realize how fucking gross it was. Like
do you ever just I don't know if you like that,
but I'm environmentally blind until like I start like looking
for it and then I'm all, what the hell, No,
this bothers.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Me all the time. I have just like fallen behind
on jars because I've been like grieping. So there's just
been piles of laundry fucking everywhere and crush sea launch. Yeah,
depressed the laundry and it just doesn't fucking stop. So
I was just like, it's always say, year's old reminder,
life keeps fucking moving and I washing doer sucks, so

(01:39):
it's even more insult injury.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
You're like sick level. I ac totally broke the dryer yesterday.
Somehow there's like a tube thing that gets connected.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah. Yeah, that's just a pain the ass. But on too,
it's so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So I actually knocked it off and I was like,
oh shit. So I tried to fix it, and I
just kept ripping it more and more and.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
More and just banded it like hella, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I was like, well, I don't know what to do, Like,
how did you even that bad? I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I try to fix it because once you start, it's
just I don't know, it's awfully satisfying to pull it
all apart too, and.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, I was like, maybe if I just take a
couple of oh my god, it's bad. So now it's
just duct taped.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh I mean duct tape. It's a duct. It works.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Good point. Good point. When they try to like.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Sad a duct, I feel like that's pret sure that's
a fucking duct. What is a duct?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
If they try to charge me, I'm gonna be like, listen,
duct tapes.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Is for ducks. Yeah, I canna set it here first,
a tuber passageway in a building or a machine for air, liquid, cables,
et cetera. So it is just exactly for that purpose.
So it was it was like, I don't know what
the first a ship never mind, it was like that
when you moved in, whoever installed it did that?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Weird?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
What are they gonna do?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Call the guy that installed it. That's all the land learned.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
They'll like it's me. Well reached back.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Back to the deps. Wellduct taped the.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Tape this no, So what's up everybody? Welcome back to
to this fun little ship show, our shit show. If
we've missed you guys so much. We're super happy to be,
you know, putting stuff out again. You would think that
we recorded more over that break than we would have,
but we didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Some shit happened.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, we've definitely been going through it, Candice especially, so
give her all the love. But we are happy to
be back and hanging out with y'all again. So hey,
hangs up. Hope you guys are well.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Actually had one of my friends asked me if you
were still doing the podcast, are you guys like not
doing the podcast anymore? Just took a break.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
We're just taking a break. If it was in the
last episode that we posted we do mention that we
needed some time to try to get back on track
with everything, so we are back back.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I wouldn't say we're on track, but we're back.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, we're not on track, but we're definitely back. It's
like an Eminem song or.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
So.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah. I guess today I would like to review something
near and dear to my heart, and that's Kandas's banana
bread itself.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I love it. It's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
It's not the pumpkin bread that I promised you months
and months and months ago.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
But okay, because it's spring, Yeah, it's basically banana season.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I can make lemon bars next week.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Fox on me up daddy, Okay, But Candas made fantastic
banana bread. I think it's our own recipe, right, not
one that was sent in.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
That was well. It was really freaking good, with lots
of walnuts and.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Extra banana and some more vanilla than you would think.
And here you have to like raise the temperature of
the oven and cook for a shorter period of time
because we're high elevation.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I had no idea Fox up your ship? Is that
when my cookikes are always so airy?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Probably them?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh, No, that's so embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
We'll look it up high elevation baking. It's been the
bang of my existence since I fucking moved here.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
But o, Candace, she could just gets it, you know,
just got it so fucking tops tops to Candice.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Don't believe me. I fucked up many loaves getting to
that one. Well.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I am so honored been included in the good ones.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, I wouldn't serve you anything less than that.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Ironically, I would still eat it, though.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Oh thank you so much. It's the best bread I've
ever had.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'd be like, Wow, toasts and sugar set me up
and nuts, It's yeah, I do. I love anything crunchy,
even my ice creams man like I want something like.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I feel like I'm just pistachio cake is my fucking favorite.
Or the Rocky Road I love Rocky Road or what
is it moke alma sudge.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Anything where there's stuff to dig out, I'm pretty.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Much into it. Like I'm excavate your ice cream.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I put all like the stuff that doesn't have anything
in it in Will's like, I'm just like you, I
don't want this.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I don't want this boring ass ice cream. Nothing in
there you would love yourgurt beach. I do beach, just
mix it all up in there. I'm like, oh, where's
that little cheesecake, But I always do this cheesecake cheesecake
with the cheesecake ice cream or the coffee and then
all the all the fucking ship all the boba. You

(06:47):
don't like the boba though I do. I don't like.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
That's amazing, but I do love putting crap in there.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
And then.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
So today, as we kind of mentioned, I am going
to be covering the Rainy Street Killer. The Rainy Street
in Austin is kind of where this is all coming from.
And this came from one of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Ryan Peterson, again with back at it again, Ryan with
a fucking great recommendation. Thank you so much, Thank you Ryan.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
This I had actually not even heard of this.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
I had it either, And I mean he's recommended a
couple others, so we'll get to them, I promise.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, we're working our way through the list now so
we finally have it all.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
We're going to have a cool dog, guys. We're so official.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Before we were like, I don't know what I'm going
to go, maybe like the night before and i'd be like,
oh yeah, Ca'm just like you guys. Remember when Candice
came in and I started my story and she's like,
what the hell?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
That's the one I was that happened to us twice
in a row. I think two weeks in a row.
We're both just like, Okay, it's time. It's time we
reveal our secrets.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So yeah, we have that going. And the cool party
is now, when you guys give us cases that you
want us to cover, we can actually put it in
there with your name so that we can kind of
keep trying.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I don't have to go looking through the three
different four different like avenues that people have been suggesting
things and text. I know there's like six different avenues. Actually,
I just I am not organized. And Saharah is a
queen and if you you're also to certainize modern that

(08:27):
just maybe Angel nadous this amazing dog and I have
like duh, that makes so much sense.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I don't know why we waited.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Was it an Excel sprasheator? You know it's a Google
just like a table shout out Google, dog, shout out
sponsor us. So if you recommend a case, a coffee
shop or a recipe, we can fucking throw it in
there and you're more likely to hear your case now,
So send them our way again, and I promise, I'll promise,
we'll get around to them.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
We'll do them. Yeah, if we were sort of Patreon,
maybe we'll do like really extra special case it's on there.
I don't know that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
We have a Patreon, but I just haven't done anything.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
We also have a merchandizing shop that I also haven't
done anything. Once here we are, we're working on it,
living our best lives. Fucking Yeah, it's been a rough semester,
for sure. It's really a rough semester.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
It really has.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, so we'll go ahead and just hop in. So
around twenty twenty two, there started to be this trend
online of locals in Austin, Texas posting things about a
potential serial killer.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's like Texas the eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
My case is texts no way, Oh my god. There's
no eyeballs involved in this, I don't think, but Jesus.
Multiple bodies were turning up on this lake called the
Lady Bird Lake, with almost all of them being dubbed
an accident, an accidental drowning, or a suicide. By the police,

(09:58):
and all these bodies were kind of showing up in
the same twelve acre area near the nightlife district of
Rainy Street. So, Rainy Street in Austin used to be
this historic area that was like more recently changed into
like bars and music venues, and so it's outside of
like the downtown area of Austin, but it's considered like

(10:19):
a little bit nicer, a little bit less chaotic. And
usually what will happen is people in Austin who are
partying there will start at one end of Rainy Street
and then they'll move down towards Lady Bird Lake as
they progress. Like yeah, So according to the Murder in
America podcast, which I did listen to their two parter
around this as well as do some research of my own,

(10:42):
Rainy Street is where a lot of the older crowd
will go to party, so like not so much like
you're freshly twenty.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
One, no college kids, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
So it's considered a little bit nicer, and it actually
reminds me a lot of like how Reno's Midtown area is, Okay,
you know, like where.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
You have like the Public House and yeah, a little.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Bit more ritzy bars like you're not just hitting the pinion.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
And what is that shit called the the eddy.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
H Yeah, so that's kind of what it reminded me of,
and I was like, okay, cool. So I'm researching. I
found that the Ladybird is like this six mile river
like reservoir. It's on the Colorado River and there are
many hiking biking trails that are kind of near there,
so there's lots of wilderness. It's on some of its
successful by boat. A lot of it is accessible just

(11:29):
by like walking around. There are bridges on Ladybirg Lake
and the subsequent Colorado River areas. And it was originally
created in nineteen sixty as like a cooling pond for
the Holly Street power plant. Okay, after some refurbishment by
Lady Bird Johnson. Yes, yes, it was used for recreational
purposes including hiking, boating, and biking. Overall. The lake has

(11:53):
a surface area is about four hundred and sixteen acresn Okay,
not crazy do just strong currents. Swimming hasn't been allowed
on this lake since nineteen sixty four. Oh what so
opens nineteen sixty as like recreational area nineteen sixty four
they ban swimming, people are drowned and shit, yeah big time.
There have been many accidental drownings on the lake due

(12:14):
to these like intense currents, especially before they banned it.
Like there were these two girls who went to like
swim with their family, like broad daylight, middle of the day,
went out to stop pulled away by the current.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Inside fucking terrifying.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, so the currents are pretty intense. I'm assuming it's
probably because they built it off of a river.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, that makes sense. But it just goes like the
fucking river goes through it.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, kind of like it's built off it's like built
off of it. Okay, And I have pictures to show, yeah,
so I can put them up as well them up. Okay,
So I think it's important to note that it is
not super easy to just fall into this lake. It's
not like the trails are up on like a ledge

(13:01):
and you can just kind of like topple over the
bridges and the trails and all that. They usually have
areas that are kind of like guardrails, Like a lot
of the bridges have like four to five feet walls
on the edges. The trails are off the lake quite
a bit. I just wanted to bring that up because
it does kind of become a theme as we kind

(13:22):
of travel through this. A lot of these victims where
their bodies end up being discovered are it was close
enough to Rainy Street that people will call it the
Rainy Street serial killer, even though technically speaking, a.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Lot of.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
So it's like thirty minutes walking distance usually from Rainy Street,
whereas a lot of these these people are being found.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I'm wondering if they're thinking that people are getting abducted
from Rainey Street and then brought to Lake.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
That just seem to be kind of a theory. So
I will say I spent quite a few hours digging
around the victims, like the victim profiles that are involved
in this case in there is that there's some really
interesting things kind of going on with that, and I
can't wait to get your opinion on it, because it's
kind of wild. Like I said, the police have marked

(14:14):
all of these victims deaths as accidental drownings, suicide or
the last one is undetermined drownings.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is the last one undetermined droughting?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, Yeah, it's like the cause is drowning, but the
man the manner is undetermined. Kind of yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I know you're going to get into it, Like, are
there other markings like licature marks? Brod Okay, I know
you're going to get into it. Some victims have no
sign of trauma, while others have clear injuries. The bodies
are rarely in the water for long periods of time,
although this can occasionally range two weeks or a week

(14:56):
before the victim is found. There's no clear evidence of
any sexual assault on these victims, and almost all of
them were last seen on rainy street partying with their friends.
I will say that is not for everybody, and as
we kind of go through this list, just keep that
in mind that there may be there's a lot of
cases where there's just no information, So I'll just kind

(15:19):
of give you a brief description. A lot of people
who live in Austin suggest that it's like lighting and
safety features near the water could be part of the
problem because at night, yeah, there's a lot of light. Additionally,
there's not a lot of security foot like camera footage
in the area, which people are pretty up in arms

(15:39):
about because they believe that if they had had security
footage it probably would resolve a lot of these issues.
The police are adamant that there is no serial killer
in this area doing anything. They're like, there is no
give me a break. I'm sorry, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I don't know. I can see sure, but I do
think that.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
With the frequency of how often it was happening around
that lake.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
There's some negligence going on, or at the very least,
like you said, like there's some lazy police work.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, like there's they're not all connected, but some of
them could be.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Some of them very well could be. I was gonna
go onto it later, but maybe I'll just bring it
up now.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So that guy in Murderers in America that podcast, he
was he had like a personal connection to one of
these cases, and so he ended up talking to one
of his friends who is a like criminal justice major
cool and she has a friend in law enforcement, and
so she asked her friend and this is all hearsay,

(16:44):
of course, but she has her friend like, so, is
there a serial killer? Is there a Rainy Street serial killer?
And her friend who is in law enforcement said on
the record, no, absolutely not. These are all accidental. Off
the record, there's a chance, and we think that it
might be a police member. Amber.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Oh, I just got goose bums. No on the back,
just fucking down. Stood the fuck up, dude. I was like,
excuse me, Yeah, twisty twists I did not expect.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, no, me too. And the guy, I mean, the
guy who was kind of exing it. Yeah, he says.
It makes sense like if you were somebody who was,
you know, part out partying and the police officer said, hey,
you need to come with me, that's probably the only.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
You're not going to struggle.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, so kind of suspicion, maybe keep on minds kind
of we go through this. The amount of dusts that

(17:50):
have occurred in Lady Bird Lake appeared to have been
increasing over the last three years. So there were twenty
deaths give or take a few since two thousand and eight,
but sixteen of those have been since twenty twenty two. Oh,
that's so it's.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Quite a huge ramping up. Yeah, again, like an escalation.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It doesn't make an exclation ship pune. People think that
it could be because there is an increase in like
an increase in population, right right, that would make sense
in the area. A lot of people are coming from
out of state and maybe they're not as comfortable with
like water that was one suggestion.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Then why the fuck would you know?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I don't know if I couldn't get behind that. But
we always have to take information from families as well,
with a grain of salt, because a lot of these
families will be like, well, my my husband and my
child was not suicidal. They're a really strong swimmer that
doesn't do drugs.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
It doesn't matter if you get pulled it into a current. Though,
I feel like I agree, even if you're a strong swimmer,
you can become exhausted, and if it's cold in the water.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
And if you have been drinking, like there's nothing wrong
with drinking, and that doesn't make it your fault. No,
there's a chance that you would become.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Less aware and less able to absolutely meaning you're fucking
meaning Jack sparrel on may or may not.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Jacks hallucination, Sidlar Sadbath. Yeah, so I figured we'll get
into the victims. So the first victim that I found
is not one that's talked about at all. Actually found
him on a petition, like mentioned by somebody who mentioned.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Their concerns about Ladybird. OK.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
They said, like this person had passed away. They passed
away in a very similar state to all the others,
and it was currently marked as like unsolved. And that
was a thirty two year old and he died in
Ladyburg Lake in two thousand and four. His name was
Clayton Watson. Okay, But the first real suspicious death that

(19:49):
is mentioned in a lot of the sources that I
was looking through is a man named rhad Hamad So
he was fifty five years old. He had a very
suspicious death and he was found in Ladybird Lake April sixteenth,
two thousand and eight. His case was actually ruled a suicide,
although witnesses stated that his hands and feet were bound

(20:10):
and his eyes and nose were duct taped when he
was pulled from the fuck yeah m hm. Get Thus,
he was recently under investigation by the FBI for interest
in the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Oh Jesus Christ, and when
this was brought to the attention of the police's authorities
double down on the fact that his cause of death

(20:32):
was suicide.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
That's fucked and.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
They basically close kise. So the reason I bring that
one up, even though I think it's probably pretty clear
what happened.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
There fascinating the river, and they try to cover it up.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
It's allegedly the beginning of a lot of these things
being marked as like suicide or accidental death, where maybe
the Austin Police Department is kind of closing their eyes
to some of the details of the case. In my opinion,
a legedity supposedly.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Supposedly that sounds like bullshit to me.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Sounds like to me. Two girl. So October sixteenth, twenty twelve,
a boy named or I said to say a man
named Cole Christiansen went missing and his body was found
in the lake. He was known to be a very
strong swimmer and spend a lot of time in the water.
As we mentioned before, that doesn't really mean anything if
you get caught in a current. His death was listed

(21:25):
as unknown, but he was thought to have drowned.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Then October thirteenth, twenty fourteen, twenty five year old Aaron Dublake.
He was bar hopping in the city. He ordered an
uber to take him home at the end of the night. Okay,
so he takes this uber. He gets dropped off near
the Holiday Inn, which is off of Ladybird Lake. He
gets out, the uber driver walks watches him walk towards

(21:52):
the hotel. His body was found two days later in
the lake. It was marked as an accidental drowning.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
What the fu.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
His sister, in some of her interviews, says that the
town folk now sometimes called the Lake Death River because
of how many people have passed away in this water.
But yeah, the uber driver said, I watched him walk
towards the hotel and the next thing I.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Know, you heard that he heard that he was in them. Yeah,
I heard that he was missing probably and then found
in the river. Absolutely crazy. I mean, is it possible
that Aaron went out for a walk.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, Yeah, just wanted to go check out the water
accidentally fell in. He'd been out drinking, and it's possible.
But you'll see how often this tale comes up. It's
kind of crazy. So June eighth, twenty fifteen, twenty two
year old Julio Santos the Third. He had a blog
online called Juju the Guru, which was like a fashionista profile.

(22:43):
He was actually love it so sweet. He went dancing
with his friends at a dance house called It's either
called Barbellas or Barbarellas. I really hope it's Barberellas.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But Barbarrellas would be way cooler.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Maybe Barbella's, you know. And I guess at some point
he got pretty hungry and so he went to get
some food out of food because there's like a lot
of food trucks in this area, and he was never
seen again. His friends then found his phone, his jewelry,
his wallet with his cash, all outside the back of
the bar that they were at, just like on the ground.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's fucking weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
His body was then found later in Ladybird Lake next
to that holiday, and again interestingly, his belt was missing
when they pulled the body out of the water. He
did not have any drugs in his system, and again
his death was ruled in accidental drowning, even though his
stuff was scattered behind the bar.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Okay, dude, that doesn't make any fucking sense. And there's
no like footage of him walking towards the lake.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
No, And this was twenty fifteen, Okay, So I don't
know how good like a lot of the places were
with footage back then, but they didn't.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
It was only ten years ago, any rather.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, I try really hard to like I remember what
happened in twenty fifteen. I don't even know where I
was or what I was doing or how old.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I was, it was a link couple of years before COVID.
Now everything's linked towards COVID. Like the proximity.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
It feels like last year.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
It was like three years before COVID. And I feel
like there were still cameras everywhere because I remember having
a conversation with my professor in two thousand and ten
twenty twelve in Santa Rosa and he was like, there
are CCTP footage cameras all over downtown. And that was
in Santa Rosa. So I imagine Austin, you would think, right,
like especially the Holiday Inn, Like wouldn't the Holiday Inn

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have security cameras?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Maybe out front, but I can't imagine like back towards
the lake.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know it was the back of it facing
the river. Yeah that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, but I will say, I mean, I'm with you.
I do think people are constantly talking about how this
part of the city is lacking these cameras.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Surveillance or any type of like lighting and some security,
Like why don't they just have people fucking like well
they have like the weird ambassador guys, like we have
a reno on the little sage.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I mean seriously, though, on like this was crazy and.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
The it's just so tragic, like and these people.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Will never know like what happened to their families because
they feel like the police are not doing a good
job investigating anyway. I don't know. I will say some
of the families do get pretty balls deep into the
investigation and they found some pretty interesting things. But then
February fourteenth, twenty sixteen, a fifty year old unidentified man
was found in the lake. No other details other than

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his items were found with him were released. December twenty third,
twenty sixteen, another forty year old unidentified male was found
in the lake near the Holiday Inn same place. June eighteenth,
twenty sixteen, thirty five year old Fernando Domingo or Tease,
His body was found in Ladybird Lake. He was a
skilled carpenter and a fisher that was right, A fisher Okay,

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no official cause of death has been made public. A fisherman,
that's the word.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm looking for, honey, What a fisher of what? It was?

Speaker 1 (26:00):
A fisher? He fished fish.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Also, it is called barbarrella. It is called barberellas excellent
Barbarrella Austin.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
That's really cool. Okay, barbaralla, so that poor man also
found in the lake. June sixteenth, twenty seventeen, an unidentified
man in his forties was found in the lake. He's
still yeah what And that was the only lake the
only death that was publicly acknowledged in the year of

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twenty seventeen. Just one now twenty eighteen comes around August
of twenty eighteen, thirty seven year old Louis Ramirez was
found in the lake during the summer. He was actually
terrified of water, like super afraid of it, so his
loved ones were incredibly suspicious of him being in the water.
His death was of course ruled accidental drowning, but his

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family says there's no a in hell he would have
been near it, so there's no way he just fell in.
I mean, again, it happens. I understand that side of things,
but it is it is suspicious, I would agree. September
twenty seventh, twenty eighteen, an unidentified mail was found in
the water. No additional information there. October eighth, twenty eighteen,

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Chris White, a twenty five year old from Denver, Colorado,
was found in the water. According to friends and family,
he loved being outdoors, and he was attending a large
music festival which I'm not sure Austin music festival there.
I mean it's a huge one. I don't remember, like
Metallica was playing there and stuff. But he dirt and

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his friends had an airbnb near the water, and around
six am he became indoxicated and he said he wanted
to go check out the water. Nobody else wanted to
go with him, and he was found later in the water.
He had MDMA in his system and his death was
marked as accidental. November twenty seventh, twenty eighteen, Martin Gutierrez,

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who was twenty five years old, was found deceased in
the lake when he went out that night. He went
out to watch football with some of his family. He
went to Rainy Street, but he said that he had
to work the next morning and he wanted to take
it easy, so he actually didn't even drink at the
first bar he went to, and he only had two
drinks at the next bar. Okay, However, everyone noticed that

(28:22):
he started acting really strange after having those two drinks.
He started acting like he was super super intoxicated. He
started feeling really like he started behaving just really weird.
Like apparently he was staring at his hands for long
periods of time. He wasn't really talking to anybody. He
was acting kind of like anti social, and then he

(28:43):
got separated from everybody and never made it home. So
he and his brother were very very close, and his
brother knew that him and his like him and his
brother followed a routine very strictly, especially when it came
to like working out, and so when his brother didn't
show up, he started becoming super concerned. He went to
the police to file missing person's report. Obviously the police were.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Like, you have to wait.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, he'll turn up, you know. And he started kind
of going to all these bars to figure out what
had happened to his brother, and he was able to follow,
like you were saying, some CCTV footage of his brother
going from bar to bar, then leaving out the back
of that one bar, and then kind of walking down
the street. His last known location showed him moving towards

(29:32):
like this cul de Sac off of Rainy, But Austin
Pede had like kind of dismissed this information and refused
to investigate any further. What, Yeah, his brother was like,
my brother was acting so strange he was not acting
like himself in this footage.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
He had been drugged, likely drugged.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, he did have a contusion on his head when
his body was found, and he did not have any
alcohol in his system, so when they did the talks
they didn't show that he had any alcohol. But his
TALKS screen also came back clean for drugs as well.
Mm mmm, So his death was marked as an accidental drowning.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
There's some shy shit happening with the police department.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, and I think it took them about a week
to find him. Okay, So his brother says that there's
a really good chance.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That he didn't die at the time he left that night. Well,
he was in the same clothes, So that doesn't mean yeah,
it's what was the time of death? I guess is
what I'm asking. Were they able to determine that.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It was because of how long he was in the water.
I think they made an estimate like, oh, he probably
just wanted off fell.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
In and he's been in the water for five days
and it was on Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well and get this. I didn't mention it, but I
guess at some point they had, like because people were
looking for him, Like people were looking for him. They
had a fucking helicopter going across the lake and they
were like, he's not on the lake. We don't see him.
He's not on the lake. And then like two days
later he turns.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Up in the lake.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Kind of sus They think that potentially because he was
in a lot of water for so long, any like
date rape drugs that could have been in his system
were probably like they couldn't test for him anymore. They
don't have a super long half life, but it's kind
of interesting. Yeah, His brother believes that he likely was

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walking down towards that cul de Sac ran into somebody
who hit him in the back of the head and
threw him in the water. That's what he thinks happened then.
So that was November twenty seven, twenty eighteen. In December
of twenty eighteen, forty nine year old Randy lex Volt
was found in Lady Bird Lake. Randy had suffered extensive injuries,

(31:48):
including bruises, cuts, slashes, contusions, et cetera. Pathologists and detected
detectives suggests that he had either fallen or been pushed
from a bridge, fell into the water, and had drowned.
They did find water in his lungs, so they must
have found him pretty quickly. Trace amounts of alcohol and

(32:08):
benadryl were in his system, which is kind of interesting.
So the cause of dreath for him is drowning, but
the manor was still undetermined. But they basically closed the case. Cool,
moving right along. Twenty nineteen. August fourteenth, twenty nineteen, an
undisclosed male's body was discovered in the lake.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Undisclosed, So they just didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Now they're just not telling people the fuck wrong.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
B September twenty eighth, twenty nineteen, eighteen year old Jake
Waltrick's body was found in the lake next to the holiday.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And maybe it was a minor. How old did you say?
They were undisclosed? Yeah, no, it might have been a minor.
So the parents didn't want to be disclosed.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
That's fair. You'll see that happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Friendly didn't want to be disclosed. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I know that some of these folks were unhoused individuals,
and so that's another one where they kind of just
don't give a lot of details. In November twenty seventh,
twenty nineteen, twenty one year old Christian Pew disappeared out
disappeared after a night out on Rainy Street with his friends.
Two days later, he was found on the opposite side

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of Lady Bird Lake near the Congress Avenue Bridge and
was beaten so badly that he was in a coma
but found alive. Oh my god, I will say I
probably shouldn't have said it like that. He had injuries
that appeared to look like he was beaten. That so

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police think that he fell off the bridge and he
felt the bridge and fell in water. His father and
after kind of confirming this with medical professionals, states that
the injuries on his body were consistent with an assault
and self defense and not consistent with a fall. He
actually is he survived and he's.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Was he able to give them a description.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, he has no memory. Probably was attacked from beyond,
so that kind of has memory loss.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
That's sad.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, kind of sad.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
They just he survived, Yeah, you know, he survived. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
It's super crazy. So I feel like now we're going
to kind of go into twenty twenty two. I kind
of want to get us to the meat of the story,
which is this increase that people are seeing and it's
potentially what's causing a lot of the distress on whether
or not there's a serial killer. So this is twenty
twenty two. July fourteenth, twenty twenty two, Ricky Parks, a

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fifty nine year old man, was discovered in the lake.
It was considered an accidental drowning. December eleventh, twenty twenty two,
Christopher Grittierrez's body was discovered. Accidental drowning. December nineteenth, twenty
twenty two, Jozoo Marino's body was discovered. I will see
this one comes up in a lot of sources and things,
but it looks like he was actually shot while he

(34:51):
was driving and then he drove his car into the lake.
What the Yeah, dude, I don't think he counts. Like
when we're talking about the potential seria killer aspect.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Of this, that's a different Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
That's a different case, but still very sad. December twenty eighth,
twenty twenty two. Kyle Thornton, aged fifty six, discovered in
the water. Accidental drowning. February thirteenth, twenty twenty three, Jason
John's body is discovered. He is thirty years old, also
marked as an accidental drowning. He had been drinking with friends.

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They got separated at around two am. Allegedly, Jason had
messaged his girlfriend that he was talking to a bouncer
about like djaying and like many others, he had been
drugged with JHB before his death. His mother, Elsie John,
truly believes that someone drugged her son and then pushed
him in the water. She said that he was not
fond of water and was not interested in being anywhere

(35:44):
near it, so he wouldn't never have gone over there
just of his own accord to hang out by the water. Okay,
I will say this is fucking weird. So I was
able to find some of the documents that are like
involved with his his death certificate, like his uh, what's
it called the autopsy.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Report, Yeah, there you go, or the medical examiner.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Or medical examiner report. And so according to some of
these reports done by detectives, a thirty year old man,
so that is Jason John, was witnessed by a transient
bystander to be vomiting by the bank of the Lady
Bird Lake and then he subsequently fell into the water
and got submerged by the water in the early morning

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of February fifth, twenty twenty three, after attempting to aid
the decedent. The bystander went to a nearby hotel and
contacted nine to one to one. His body was not
found until February thirteenth, twenty twenty three. He had his phone,
his wallet, and his cash in his pockets. His toxicology
report did not show drugs, but did show alcohol in
his system, and he had no significant injuries. It was
noted that he was a proficient swimmer and had no

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history of seizure disorders. He also had no internal or
external injuries and only alcohol.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Dude, this is fucking weird. Yeah, so there sounds accident
all if there's a transient man.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, they said that this transient bystanderd saw him fall
in and they couldn't find him for multiple days.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oops. Does They didn't give the name of the man, that.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
At least not on the documents now, so that was
Jason John in February. Then March fifth of twenty twenty three,
Clifton acts till his body was discovered in the water. Also,
he was forty one years old and his death was
considered undetermined by drowning as well.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And that's what's been reported so far. Uh No, there's more.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
There's more. April first, twenty twenty three, Jonathan Honey's body
was discovered in the lake. He was thirty three years old.
It was deemed accidental drowning. Reports showed that he had
been drinking with his friends when he left go get
a taco, which I know same. He had alcohol and
drugs that were consistent with prescribed or over the counter

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medication in his system. After he went to go get
that taco, they never saw him again. And with this
fountain in the water, yeah, girls say. April ninth, twenty
twenty three, another undisclosed male's body was found. This one
was allegedly a cardiac arrest event. So I don't think
that one's in the same boat, but people do bring

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it up, so I wanted to point out that it
does appear to be cardiac arrest.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I was just thinking, if you're already have an underlying
heart condition and then something happens to you to cause
you to have cardiac arrest from like an attack or something.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I've thought about that too.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'm still considered a murder.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Or if you're drugged. Yeah, I agree, aside, I should say, yeah,
that's a good point. April fifteenth, twenty twenty three, his

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Christopher Hayes Clark. His body was discovered he was thirty
years old. So this one is kind of unique in
the sense that his partner, Reagan, really did some digging
of her own, so she knows that the police lost
evidence basically tricked her so that evidence was destroyed. What
didn't follow the leeds that would have answered questions and

(39:20):
were overall unhelpful in dealing with Chris's death. So Reagan
told investigators that Chris had an addiction to PCP and
had some mental health issues and that led to him
being houseless, and she believes that that's why investigators kind
of were like apathetic towards his case and didn't really care.
Right However, Reagan would see him in like this spot,

(39:43):
this regular spot of his on her way to work
all the time, and then one day she's noticed that
he wasn't there, and the next day he wasn't there,
and so for about a week she was like, I
wonder where Chris went off to. So they have like
a child together, so she was super interested in like
making sure he was okay. When his body was found,
his death was marked as an undetermined drowning. But interestingly,

(40:05):
Chris had almost received a trespassing ticket from police within
hours of his disappearance, so she went and found this information. Okay,
so just hours before he disappeared, there's like CCTV footage
of police coming up to talk to him because he's
sitting I want to see, like at a bus station
or something, and they are like, hey, you really can't

(40:25):
be here, and he's like not really doing anything, and
then they kind of like go off, and apparently in
the body cam footage that she was able to obtain,
they're like talking about how like they know who he
is and he's got all these issues and they're like
talking to like some rookie cop, so kind of sus
but they leave, Okay, they go off go their own way.

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In the video footage, I will say, he appeared conscious,
clear headed, and he was likely on his way to
go find some day labor work, so it was like
pretty common for him. So no one really knows what
happens after he leaves towards like that day labor area.
But Reagan started kind of trying to figure out what
happened by like asking around and talking to people who

(41:10):
he he hung out with.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
M HM.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So get this, She's down by the lake asking people,
and she sees this guy kind of walking around this
like hispanic man, and she pulls out a picture. She says, hey,
have you seen this guy? And the guy turns around
and goes, oh, that's Chris, like he knows who he is.
And she says, oh, well have you seen him around?
And the guy suddenly gets like kind of defensive and agitated.
Easel well who's asking? Well, who's asking? And she's like, well,

(41:36):
he's the father of my child. I'm just trying to
make sure, like I'm just trying to get information on
what he's been up to, like what his pattern has
been for like the past couple of weeks. Well, the
guy's like super hesitant I guess to tell her anything.
And then she said, well he died over here and
I'm looking into it and the guy just took off running.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
What the fuck booked it?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, So she calls the police and she's like, hey, man, like.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I thought this had this weird and con her.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
And they were like they didn't do anything. They disregarded
the information. She also was like constantly asking to go
through the crime scene photos she could try to figure
out like what the hell happened you know, and I
guess there's over one hundred and eighty crime scene photos.
For three months, he's trying to get this information. She
finally has a meeting with the detective and he brings

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her nine photos.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, if it was still an open investigations, they closes it, Yeah,
then why wouldn't she have access to those?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well, and they told her they were going to bring them,
and he was like, well my printer stopped working, I mean,
and she's like, I've been asking you for three months.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Fucked.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
And so she starts looking through them with this guy
and she noticed that Chris is clutching a mask.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Like, so you'd taken it off of somebody possibly.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, Well the idea is like he fell into a water,
into water and drowned, right, So if you're in a
water and you're drowning, going on the one. So she
was like, why where's this mask? What happened to it?
And they were like, well, we just assumed it was his,
so we tossed it. They did not keep it. She
also tried to get his clothing back from the police.

(43:14):
They kept telling her, oh, we don't know where it is,
we don't know where it is. And then when she
went to the funeral home. They were like, oh, well
you should really cremate. They cremated him. They got two
minutes with his body before he got cremated, and then
they were like, oh, those clothes were on his body,
so now the clothes have been cremated. Additionally, he was
not wearing his crocs, which she knew he was wearing,

(43:36):
especially from that earlier footage, And so she was trying
to find the crocks and was completely unable to find crocs,
the crocks anywhere. I mean, if there's a chance, you know,
if he did fall in the water, floated off universe.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Especially if they were in four wheel drive mode sport mode.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, So just overall, even if it was accidental drowning,
just trash police work in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Then June twenty third, twenty twenty three, a man named
Jeff Jones was attending a bachelor party off of Rainy
Street when he woke up in the hospital more than
two weeks later. Yes, he had real hypnol or GHB
in his system. He had been drugged, and he insists
was pushed off the bridge where he believes he was
supposed to drown. What the fuck, dude, Yeah, so he

(44:23):
explains that he was not drinking heavily that night. He
was there for a bachelor party, so he was kind
of like trying to pace himself for the long weekend,
and at some point he became separated from his friends
and was found by a passer by at four am,
about two and a half hours after his phone died,
on the ground next to a bridge.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
So he didn't fallow in the water. That's a deliightly shit.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah. If he had landed in the water instead of
on the ground, he would have drowned.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, absolutely, I.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Think for me at least, it was kind of interesting
to note that his test was positive for GHBS seven am, right, So.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's that's a highly concer traded amount of GVH.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Because JHB great big head, great body. Oh yeah, so
I looked it up and it's actually metabolized in other
substances over two to five hours, and so it's kind
of broken down relatively quickly, like especially if you're just
laying there for hours. But yeah, he had to have

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been initially dreaded with quite a large amount.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Crazy. June twenty seven and twenty twenty three, a man
named Maga de Guel was discovered. His body was discovered
in the lake again marked as an accidental drowning. February fifth,
twenty twenty four, and then identified female's body was discovered. Okay,
so a little out of our usual realm April ninth,
twenty twenty four, a man's body was recovered near the

(45:49):
Lamar Boulevard Bridge on the path of the lake, but
not actually in the lake, so we're not sure if
this vein, but it is pretty close. April thirteenth, twenty two,
and unidentified male's body was discovered in the lake. Accidental drowning.
July fifth, twenty twenty four, a white male with blunt

(46:09):
force trauma was discovered in the lake. Now get this.
Police tweet a correction to that statement two days later,
saying that it actually wasn't blunt force trauma, but the
man had killed himself with a gun and somehow they
got confused.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Blunt first trauma and gun chat into
the head are completely different. When you look at it,
Tell them just look at that and oh no, and
if you had killed himself, then there'll be a gun nearby.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
That's what people are saying.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, stupid.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
December twenty twenty four, tyling Wyn was a woman in
the unhoused population. She was seventy three years old. She
was found in the water. No foul play suspected. December twentieth,
twenty twenty four, an unidentified male body was discovered again.
No foul play suspected. Accidental drowning. December twenty twenty four,

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a man named Connor Deserly says he went out with
his friends. He met some people and he started to
drink with them. He says he had one or two
drinks but suddenly felt incredibly dizzy and really sick, and
so he told his friends that he needed to go
to the bathroom and subsequently lost all conscious memory Jesus Christ.
He then woke up alone in a local hospital and
asked his friends were desperately searching for him. That unidentified

(47:27):
male's body was found and turned up in the lake.
So Connor soon found out that he was found tucked
behind a dumpster in an alley and that his legs
had slipped out from behind it and they were spotted
by like a bystander who came over found out he
was like unresponsive and called the police.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Wow, he's probably saved his life.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
At the hospital, it was determined that he had a
bunch of drugs in his system. It was a mix
of like methamphetamine, ketamine, and fentanyl. But he was like,
I do not do drugs. That was out something I
would ever take consciously or knowingly. I mean, I don't know.
I feel like i'd say that too. But his iPhone

(48:09):
and the money and his wallet were also missing, but
the rest of his wallet was there.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
What wasn't it, Okay, so you said meth and patamine, fentanyl.
Did he was doing coke.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Or something meth ketamine and fanyl.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, you could just started something or someone could have
put something totally and his drink a pow or something,
a pottery substance in your drink and fuckings turned it up.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, absolutely, And I guess the hospital was like pretty
rude about it, like they keupt being.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Like, of course they fucking were overdosed.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
You overdosed. And all they had to do was check
his wallet for an ID because his friends were like
looking for him and like very.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
They didn't scared trying to identify him.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
He was in there for a week in the coma
before he woke up. Yeah, So his friends actually.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Saw Austin what is going on?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
His friends saw that other man being pulled out of
the river or out of the lake and were like terrified.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It was him. Oh that's awful.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, his phone and money and as whilet were missing,
and his phone actually started pinging from China in the
following days. And I guess it's really common. Yeah, if
it's common for people to when they steal phones, they
sell it to a resailer who will ship it back
to China. Yeah, kind of crazy. March twenty eighth, twenty
twenty five, Jennifer Lynn Atkinson was found. She's forty nine

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years old. She was found in Ladybird Lake, likely in
the water for over twenty four hours. No sign of
foul play. However, one commenter said she was nude when
she was found, and so police are asking for any
additional information through their homicide line. Yeah, Okay, that was
really recent, Like that was how many fuck two weeks ago?

(49:44):
That's coreat little over two weeks ago. So I will say,
like you just heard like probably what twenty like stories
of twenty different people. There does not appear to be
very clear victim profiles. I will say it's more commonly men.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I was gonna say the majority of them are men.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
So yeah, but that being said, I looked into it.
Eighty percent of drowning victims are men. Yeah, I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Over half are in rivers or lakes after you reach
age like eighteen.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Those statistics are wild.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
In Manchester, UK, sixty water dust occurred over eight years
in the same same area. Okay, So I do feel
like there's a chance, like I can see how it's possible,
right that these are all unrelated tragic accidents.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
However, some of them are clearly assaults that were meant
to end in death. And there's two survivors. So they
were both drugged, Yeah, one of them. They attempted to
push them off of a bridge. I'm wondering if the
other guy just became an incapacity so quickly that he

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couldn't make it to the lake. Yeah, So they talked
them behind the dumpster to deal with them later.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
That's what I wonder if, Yeah, like instead of maybe
they were like storing people for later and they'd like
come back and grab them when they had a better opportunity.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I don't know, Okay, it seems like a really weird
modus opera and die to have. Like as a serial killer,
you're going to these places, you're drugging people, so you're
clearly meeting them in a public space for the most part.
If they're getting drugged and then taking them to the lake,
or you're following them as they like leave.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
A lot of people think it's a group, so they
think it's people working in tandem maybe to like what
is the overall goal though, steal stuff? I don't know,
but like people have.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
People jewelry and everything was like found outside the.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Bar well and here's another thing.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Or maybe they fucking mugged him and then took them
and then we're going to come back for that shit,
but it was found first. I don't know. That's weird.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I don't know either, man. It's it's bizarre because there
is so much difference across the victims, like when it
comes to like you were saying, like, it's it's different,
Like some of them have their stuff, some of them don't.
Some of them are pushed over a bridge, some of
them are just dropped in the water.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Some of them have drugs in their systems, some of
them don't have alcohol in their systems. Like it's just
a very weird phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Set of people. And I will say some speculate that
it's actually LGBTQ folks who are being targeted. I think
like some of them were like gay men, one of
them might be transgender.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I was going to ask people think I was going
to ask like it was there there bar hopping back
and forth though, like is there like a common bar
that they're all going to and then having this situation
where their friends are noticing that they're acting weird.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
No, So that's the thing. Is a lot of the
different with like where they mentioned specific bars, Yeah, they're
different bars, completely different bars. They're on a different bar path,
which I.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Guess would makes sense too if you don't want to
get caught or if it's multiple people. A lot of
the bars too, are like this is working in tandem freaky.
So well, a lot of the bars are putting out
like test strips now that's across their whole bars, Like
they're posting things up like sh don't leave your fucking careful. Yeah,

(53:22):
even if you have your drink in your hand and
you turn this way, someone can fucking put something in
your drink. So many videos of that lately, and I'm
just like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I know, I think I'm all being so careful because
I'm like, take mine to the potty with me, and.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I do too. But yeah, there's literally like you just
someone gets your attention on the side and then someone
on your other side just literally fucking plumps it, pops
it in your drink. Right.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Well, it's like super interesting too because I don't know,
if you ever heard of the Smiley Face killer. Yes,
but people mention this case in tandem with that because
it's men found in water. I feel like that has
a little more merit to me, just because the victim
profel is pretty consistent and they're sexual assault, like there's

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a clear motive, whereas this I just don't.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
There's no sexual there's no evidence of sexual assault that
we know of.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Sometimes it's if we believe that all of these are victims.
Sometimes it's women, sometimes it's men, right, Sometimes they're older,
sometimes they're younger. Right, there was a lot of men.
At first, I was like, wow, that's a lot of
men in their like forties and fifties.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Well, you were like saying names, knows, like, is it
people of color that are getting targeted too? Because they
are in Texas and all over. I don't want to
say that Texas is racist, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I mean, and even Austin's considered like the South is
inherently but yeah, yeah, no, I mean there's.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
There's white people, black people, brown people all over the place. Dude,
Asian people.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, one of them was Indian Indian people. Yeah, there
doesn't seem to be any any clear like that's characteristic.
Oh and just like fun fact for you. I actually
looked into it so Reno our Trucky river because I
was thinking, like people partying and getting wasted.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
I always go down to the river here.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I'm like, we have water right next to our downtown area,
Like how many people, Like is it common for people
to drown? And it is not so, at least publicly.
We had just six drownings over the last five years
in Rino, Nevada. I will say three additional suspicious dusts
occurred in twenty twenty three in Sparks. Great, but overall,

(55:30):
I mean, when you're thinking twenty two, we also sixteen
dusts in three years, Like, yeah, that's a lot. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
That's a high number of deaths occurring in that location.
I was also gonna say that were the Sparks people
that were murdered or maybe not murdered allegedly, Were they
not houses individuals?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I think at least one was. I don't know about
the other side.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I was hearing something.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Maybe it was just you know, I just think we
had one here in Reno too.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
They were targeted, but accurate or if it was just coincidental, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, sleuth it up, y'all. And if you know, let
us know because we're curious.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yeah. Absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, all together, very very wild set of circumstances leading
us here.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
A lot of deaths, a lot of daths around La Lake,
a lot and a lot of those people coming from
Rainy Street. A member of the Austin community was like
freaking fed up. They were like, there's something going on,
and if there's not something going on, there's some negligence
going on.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
We need to do something about this. Ship.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, right, So they launched a change dot org petition
labeled Austin Police Department I acknowledged that Austin's drownings may
not be accidents. This has received over six thousand signatures
since it was released, even up until three days ago.
So people are signing it. There's a quote in it
that I really thought was kind of fantastic. So they

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say inconsistent autopsy reports, misleading toxicology reports, unexplained injuries, unexplained
routes of victim travel leads that were never properly investigated.
The APD has a lot of explaining to do, not
only to the family members of the victims, but to
the public as a whole. So I feel like, if
y'all want to sign this petition just to have them

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really start looking into some of these cases where they
were prematurely closed or marked as accidental and maybe they
shouldn't have been. I will include that link as well, just.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
To try to get Austin PD to acknowledge the fact
that they need to maybe take a deeper look into
this one.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah. And at the very least, it's time to put
up some security.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah. City of Austin, come on, like, this is crazy.
At this point, there needs to be something done.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Absolutely, And I feel like, if that one guy's right
and it is somebody in the police department, maybe.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
You should investigated inside. I don't I don't believe in
that bullshit where you just cover up ship because it's
another cop, but if it's more than one cop, the
whole slew of cops.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Yeah, I don't know. It's a fucking weird, weird case,
the lot of stuff going on. Because then at what
point do you, like, how do you separate them if
a proper investigation is not being done, Like maybe some
of them are accidental, and then some of them are not,
but because they're all being lumped in as accidental driving.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I would feel like they would have to go back
through and have like professional look through the autopsy reports
or the medical examiners reports and all the case notes photos,
all of that, and you don't really go back and
examine all of them thoroughly, case by case.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
And just for you guys out there, you little sleuths.
In Texas, they have something called like I forget, like
the Texas Open Policy Law or some shit, so you
can actually request autopsy documents and case documents as long
as the case is not actively being investigated, so most
of these are not. It does take about one hundred

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and twenty days to get to you, but you can
request it if that's something you feel really passionate about.
I did not notice that until well, well, well within
that Naymark, But it is kind of it's it's kind
of a cool thing. I think that Texas does that
could help maybe people get some justice, because what the hell.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Right, I was gonna say someone else was like the
the baby Mommy, baby Mama of Chris, Sorry Reagan, she
tried to do her own investigation was shut down. So
it's kind of yeah, but not easy to open those
cases back up and question police. But if you get

(59:52):
enough people rallying behind that cause, I feel like maybe
there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Right, Well, that's just the way it is, like, go
start putting enough public pressure on something, we.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Start questioning the police. But then yeah, adding that pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Agreed, Well, that is the crazy uncertain case of the
Austin Rainy Street serial killer potential. So yeah, I'd love
to hear your guys' thoughts on it, your opinions. Do
you think it is zerogular, do you think it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I think it's a mixture.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I think there's something going on for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I think they're covering some ship up at.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
The very least, like just close off the area something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
The hell. Oh I'm I trespass. I'm not supposed to
go all the time. But I might. I'm so loopy
right now, might prevent some accidents are happening. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Well, until next time, remember just as Sukey won't be

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Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Oh no,