May 1, 2025 • 30 mins
Welcome back to Scream and Sugar—your true crime coffee hour.
This week, we're hanging with Candace as she guides us through one of the most legendary unsolved cases in American history: the mystery of D.B. Cooper. In 1971, a man boarded a plane in Portland under the name Dan Cooper, hijacked it midair, and parachuted out with $200,000 in ransom—never to be seen again.
Who was he? Did he survive the jump? And why has no one ever come forward with answers in over 50 years? From skyjacking and FBI files to wild theories involving missing uncles and secret identities, we’ll explore every twist in the story of the only unsolved hijacking in U.S. history! This episode includes NEW EVIDENCE that leads us even closer to who-dunnit.
So grab your drink and settle in—and remember to stay spooky!
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This week, we're hanging with Candace as she guides us through one of the most legendary unsolved cases in American history: the mystery of D.B. Cooper. In 1971, a man boarded a plane in Portland under the name Dan Cooper, hijacked it midair, and parachuted out with $200,000 in ransom—never to be seen again.
Who was he? Did he survive the jump? And why has no one ever come forward with answers in over 50 years? From skyjacking and FBI files to wild theories involving missing uncles and secret identities, we’ll explore every twist in the story of the only unsolved hijacking in U.S. history! This episode includes NEW EVIDENCE that leads us even closer to who-dunnit.
So grab your drink and settle in—and remember to stay spooky!
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/scream-and-sugar-true-crime-coffee-hour--6015946/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the true crime podcast that delves into the darker side
of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on the side.
I am your host, Candace and.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I am Sahara, and today we're going to be talking
about deeper.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm a creeper. Hire's sir Haarraah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hello, Candy, how are you? I'm just sleepy.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm me to you girl.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Early today we.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Were it was an early day. I was like eight
fifteen and I was running out the door at eight thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So nobody understands more than me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And now it's nine fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We've just been chatting, vibing, listening to stories.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Drinking some delicious coffee. So have you heard of this
case before?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I have not heard of this case really.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, so it is still unsolved. Head job and the
FBI closed their case on this around twenty twelve, but
they're still like private investigators and a retired FBI agent
that are trying to figure it out, and they think
they might have found their guy. But we'll get into
(01:44):
that a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm very very interested. I can't wait to hear more
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, so we're gonna do a little something different as
far as what I reviewed and what I am going
to tell y'all to go check out in.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
The Great Arena area.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I got to go to Louie's Bass Corner finally, which
is on the corner of Fourth and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Something.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's on First Street. It's really cute, two stories. The
upstairs is for like big parties. Downstairs also big parties,
because literally every single table had at least six people
sitting at it. I went with my girls Sean, Tal
and Brittany and their significant others, and then Alex and
(02:38):
some other guy that I didn't know. His name is Brian,
so Brian.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
But it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So it's family style, so you can order an entree
that comes after all of this other food, but you
get like fucking salad, you get soup, you get some beans,
some bread, and then chicken and rice to start, and
then you can order entrees to share as well. And
it's a lot of fucking food, all family style and
just passed mushing around and it was delicious. It's really good.
(03:08):
And then this D and D group came in right
after us and sat on the table next to us,
and they're hilarious there's one of them dressed up like
a wizard completely head to toe and he had a
fake beard on and I was like, bro, how are
you gonna eat the soup with the fake beard?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
He's like but he.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah. It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And then they had this drink called the Pecan which
is yeah, pecan punch is just like a shitload of
different spirits and I tried to see, Yeah, not my thing,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's not for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Not for everyone.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, the for I guess a lot of you listeners.
Reno is known for having like a big bass community.
So even our university has a BASK program that I
think a lot of people come to study. So these
bast Corner is like kind of a hop and little joint.
It's many many years now.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. My BASK teacher.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I talked to her about it and she's like, oh, yeah,
it's like a staplefore when the board comes into town
and blah blah blahy's so cute.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I was like, that's fun. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh so yeah, it was a fun little little outing
and inspired by the basque culture class I took last
semester with doctor Ott, which if you have an opportunity
to take any of her classes that you and are
you should be cause she's amazing anyway that I heard
not in her class anymore. So it's not like I
will get an air anything. You're all like, no, she's
(04:35):
very very sweet.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Let's just hop on into this bad boy, because we
are short on time, because maybe someone's coming in after us. Baby,
I found a glitch in the matrix, and God is
an extra two hours and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're going to find out real quick, all right, So
picture it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
November twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, one seventies, an unidentified
man hijacks a commercial airliner and extorts two hundred thousand
dollars in ransom, and then parachutes into the dark wilderness
of the Pacific Northwest, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What what that's a crazy top line.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It is literally the only unsolved case of air piracy
in the US, still unsolved to this day.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Wow, how did he get to the two hundred? Okay,
you know what, you're gonna get into it.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm gonna dive on into it.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No pun intended.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So nice November twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, in the
middle of the afternoon, middle aged white man wearing a
black suit, tie and dark sunglasses boarded Northwest Orient Airlines
flight three oh five in Portland, Oregon, found for Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He purchased a.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
One way ticket in cash and put it under the
name of Dan Cooper. Later, because there's like a miscommunication
with the press, it became dB Cooper, so it was
actually Dan Cooper, which we'll also get into that because
there's a whole backstory for that name. Wild Shortly after takeoff,
Cooper hands a note to a flight attendant, Florence Shaffner,
(06:19):
So she thought it was just another businessman giving her
his phone number, trying to flirt with her. But he
leans in and says, miss, you're gonna want to read
that I have a bomb, okay, And she she's like, fuck, okay.
She reads the note, which states he had an explosive
device and he demanded two hundred thousand dollars in cash,
four parachutes, and a fuel truck ready to be to
(06:42):
refuel the plane in Seattle. And he also requests that
she sit next to him, so he's like, oh yeah,
and takes it and takes the note back from her.
Smart We'll get into that too. Once they landed at
Seattle to Coma International Air, Cooper allowed the thirty six
passengers to disembark in exchange for his ransom demands. He
(07:05):
kept the flight crew aboard and ordered the pilot to
take off again, heading southward Mexico City at a slow
speed and at a height of about ten thousand feet
with the flaps down and landing gear partially extended.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Somewhere over southwestern Washington between eight and eight thirteen pm,
Cooper lowered the planes rear airstairs and jumped into the freezing,
rainy night with the ransom money and a parachute.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That is so wild.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was raining, yeahining windy Pacific Northwest, infamously rainy, ray,
shitty weather, cold bite. It's also laces to be I
guess November, so it's like the day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That is so weird.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh. By the time the FBI realized that Cooper was gone,
it was too late, and then a massive manhunt ensued. Dude,
but there was no trace of him left behind.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I dumped on an airplane. One.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Investigators scoured a vast stretch of wilderness near Ariel, Washington.
Believing that Cooper Lynn is somewhere in the dense forests
of the Cascade Mountains. They considered several possibilities.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Did he die, right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well there was yeah, right, he was not dressed for survival,
so he's in a suit with loafers. What Yeah, in
the middle of the Pacific North was in the Cascade
Mountains and your chances of surviving are very slim at
this point. Anyways, Wow, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They considered the.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Other possibility, did he survive and escape? No one saw
him land and no body or parachute was ever recovered.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That is so weird.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Where did he go?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
What happened to you? dB?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Coops?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
In nineteen eighty, a young boy named Brian Ingram found
five eight hundred dollars and decomposed twenty dollars bills along
the Columbia River, about twenty miles west of where Cooper's
suspected landing site was. The serial numbers match okay, the
ransom money, but the discovery only deepened the mystery, so
it was also buried a little bit. So the boy
(09:22):
was just like playing around kicking stuff like you know,
as you do, and saw some money and then started
digging and found like all this cash.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So okay, I'm sure you're gonna get into theories, so
I'm not going to right now.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's wild. Kids bathing like can get into it.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Maybe five thousand of the two hundred thousand ransom and
it's his?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Is it? Possibly?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He just like, do we know how he had the
money when he jumped out? Like could have just fallen
because this was like ten years later.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
There it was like sewn into one of the parachutes.
So he had got in the four parachutes and he
inspected them all to make sure that they hadn't tampered
with them, because he was smart and he was like,
what if they do. There's no track or anything on here.
And then he had like yeah, stuffed it into one
of the parachutes the bags or whatever, and then fucking
(10:14):
sealed it shut.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So he jumped out with that his loafers. He left
his clip on tie, which we'll get into what there
was a clip on J. C. Penny's tie with a
little gold.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Tie clip and then he hops out. But if you
if you so crap into your parachute won't that like
fuck with it.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, he was holding onto one of them and then
had another one on his back, and then the other two.
They they think that he might have thought about taking
a hostage or wanted to make it appear like he
was going to so they wouldn't fuck with him.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So over the decades, there were dozens of suspects. Some
of the most prominent include the following.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Richard Floyd McCoy, a.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Vietnam veteran and experienced guydiver. McCoy committed a similar hijacking
in nineteen seventy two, so only like six months after this.
He demanded five hundred thousand dollars and twenty dollars bills
and parachuted out of the plane. However, he was caught
days later and he was later killed.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In a shootout with the FBI. Oh wild which I'll
get And so he did the same one.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He did the same thing, had like similar demands, also
wanted multiple parachutes.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Is it possible he was just a copycut?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But there were certain aspects of the case for dB
Cooper that no one would have known. And it was
so similar to the dB Cooper case that they were like,
there's a good chance there's a very outstead and Alway said,
because yeah, he literally got into a shootout with police
in Florida and they killed him.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Okay, I don't know. He sounds like a pretty good
suspect to.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Very good suspect. Was his name Floyd Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Floyd McCoy, Jake See from Fresnel, Richard Floyd McCoy, Richard
Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Second suspect was Kenneth Christensen, who was a former Northwest
Airlines employee. He fit the general description of Cooper and
had unexplained wealth after the hijacking, but there was no
solid evidence selling him to the crime. So he was
like buying shit in cash. But I would assume if
the serial numbers mashed, they would be able to figure
(12:33):
it out, like if yeah, he was the guy he
was paying cash for shit, they would be able to.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Track it back to him, right well, And I feel.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Unless he changed it out and was just like, hey,
can you switch out these twenty dollars bills be hundreds yeah,
rtens buys I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, he like put them in a bank, yeah, in
a few days and then pulled it out or something. Yeah,
I could see that happening, although you would still be
able to track it. I would like to know, like
what these people did for a living that would enable
them to jump out of airplanes in rainy weather.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, they worked for the airlines, or they were like
experienced skydivers is what Floyd McCoy was too. That's still
or like former military so paratroopers, which was our next guy,
Robert Rastraw. He was a military veteran with training in
paratrooping and explosives. Rackstraw was suspected by some FBI agents. However,
(13:23):
he was ultimately dismissed due to lack of conclusive evidence.
So there's just no conclusive evidence linking anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
To this. That is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Another suspect was Lynn Doyle or LD Cooper LD Cooper.
In twenty eleven, LD Cooper's niece claimed on her deathbed
that he had confessed to being dB Cooper. However, no
concrete proof was found.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Wouldn't be hilarious if he's just making a joke because
their names were so similar.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Probably likes, well, I'm dB Cooper, like stressing about that
her whole life.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
LD Cooper, Yeah, she was just like my uncle fucking
he did it, got away with it. I don't know.
I wouldn't tell anyone.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'd be like, no snitch, bush money. A couple couple thousands, begin.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The FBI officially closed the dB Cooper case in twenty sixteen,
so only nine years ago, citing that there was no
evidence and no more promising leads. So they were just like,
We're not gonna spend any more money on this. I'm
sure they spent well over two hundred thousand dollars trying.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To find the two hundred thousand dollars, right, and did
they not have like fingerprints or DNA?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They didn't find shit? What the hell?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So there's only a little bit of something something on
the tie, and we'll get into that. So amateur Sleus
(15:05):
and former FBI agent Larry Carr, who led the investigation
from two thousand and six twenty ten, has kind.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Of reopened the case a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He's retired, so he has all these citizens slus kind
of helping with him. And last year, in an interview,
Car mentioned the possibility of the FBI re examining existing evidence,
particularly in light of new leads or technological advancements. He
emphasized that while the case is administratively closed, it could
be revisited if compelling evidence emerges. Okay, so there's been
(15:37):
some new evidence that they've entered into this case. This
brother and sister after their father died, they were kind
of cleaning out of his house of Richard Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
They found a parachute that matches the description of the
one that d B.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Cooper was given. So one of the four.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
This is not Richard Floyd McCay.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Richard Floyd McCoy's children.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, this was the guy that was later killed in
the FBI shootout in nineteen seventy four. He actually escaped
from prison and then was caught and died in a shootout.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Wow, in Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This guy's wild. Yeah, so he.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Had done the second hijacking, was sentenced to forty five
years to life in prison, and then yeah, he fucking
escaped and died in a shootout with FBI agents in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So fifty years later, the McCoy children were like, we're
pretty sure of that our dad is dB Cooper. Obviously
the second hijacking was very similar, and they also the.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
They found a parachute rig that they're pretty sure was
used by Deep Keeper doing the hijacking. So when they
were like looking over this parachute rig, one of the
guys that's like an expert in the field was like, Yeah,
this rig is literally one in a billion, like it's
very unique. It was modified military surplus fucking rig and
(17:17):
it was like just hidden away in the attic type shit.
So their their mom died in twenty twenty, twenty twenty,
and they just believe that she helped him kind of
get away with it and maybe picked and yeah, maybe
picked him up and or even like helped him escape
from prison and so.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In the second round. But yeah, they're like.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't know, he sounds like the one to me.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So the the FBI actually took custody of the parachute
and are looking into this new development in that.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
There's also.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Floral like some sort of material found on the JC
Penny clip tie that under a microscope, the like eco
biologist was able to figure out that it was from
around the same area that Richard Flow McCoy lived. So
it's like the very circumstantial evidence, but if they can
(18:19):
link the parachute to this case, Like I'm assuming maybe
there was serial numbers that they were able to, like
as they were giving them to the flight attendants to
give to D. B. Cooper, Like they had to have
taken some sort of a record, right, So.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Well, at the very least, I mean, if they can
tell that the tie was from the same area, they
could probably tell that the parachute was from the airplane
I don't know, right, or at least was in where
he jumped out of because they.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Can trace it back to him buying a clip on
tie from J. C. Penny or some shit, like there's
a receipt in that house somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, picture right, that's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Solo had a strong resemblance to guy literally the next
year did a bigger hijacking. Yeah, five hundred thousand dollars extreme. Yeah,
yeah right, it's like you should have stopped at one,
goddamn it. But very I mean, it seems like this
is the guy. If it's not, I'm gonna be shook
(19:19):
with if they signed out it's not him.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
He seems like he's got all the tailtale side an
air pirate.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
An air pirate, right, the impact that this guy's left.
I mean, people are fucking obsessed with this case because
it's still unsolved. It's literally like this dude that was
just very calm and man like. The flight attendants afterwards
were just like, yeah, he was very polite, very calm,
very unassuming. He was just like one of those guys
where he just got on the plane and they were
just like, Okay, this guy's not going to cause any
trouble immediately. And he literally opens up his little briefcase
(19:49):
and there's like a bunch of wires and ship and looks.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Like a bomb. So yeah, he's just like or do
you think it was Like I don't think it was
a real bomb.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't think it is either, right, and think.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He was just like I wonder hiss some red wires
and some blue wires.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't like the fact that he's like, yeah, I'll
drop off all the people.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
For some right, Like just give me, give me the
flight crew and let's go to Mexico City.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, just really, quicks, I'm jumps off a plane, olmo
exactly do we know why the landing gear was happening?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So he must have had some sort of knowledge about
the plane. It was a seven forty seven Boeing and apparently,
like you're not supposed to be able to lower the
fucking little dew hickey in the back like that, I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's called, godament, like the thing that you lit the
cargo into. Mm hmm okay, So.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Like you're not supposed to be able to open up
the rear cargo door during flight, but I think because
that the landing gear was partially lowered, it might have
been able to bypassing. Yeah. So, and this is the
exact same thing that Richard Floyd Mco. Did And this
next one, which is also a seven forty seven Boeing,
(21:02):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Ask all the listeners the dumbest question they've ever heard
in their life, But why wouldn't he just use like
a hatch door to jump out?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Probably the air pressure And I'm assuming since he was
so we were low, they were low, they were low.
They're ten thousand feet flying at a slower speed than
they normally would and yeah, so I'm just I'm assuming
it's because it like the pilot and co pilot saw
the little light go off when he did lower the
(21:30):
cargo door. So like, I don't know, maybe if you'd
take off the hatch like a deep pressurizes the cabin
and it wouldn't have done that so much as far
as like the cargo bay goes.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm not an acation yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Expert at all. I've flown on the many of a plane.
I don't want to right now because it's kind of scary.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's spooky out there. Well spooky squad.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Please tell us if you ever survived a plane jacking.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Or no anything about planes living jackings.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know, it'd be pretty quite crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah if you.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean, this was only in seventy one, so there's
still passengers that are alive now. If you were a
passenger of.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Uh infamous DBI Cooper case, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because I want to know, like, did you have any
idea what was going on?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
How was the flight crew?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Northwest Orient Airlines flight three oh five. I feel like, yeah,
you know, yeah, if you you remember, unless you were
like a baby and then your parents were like, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I still want to hear about it, though, I too,
tell us what's up?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, it's so crazy he got killed with that sheet
in that sheet, if that was him, yeah, because now
we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He denied it up and down. They like questioned him,
and he was like, I'm not DBI Cooper.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But there was also he was really smart and cool
and I really like that guy.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
What's the other There was also a fucking.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Comic book, like a French comic book, where there was
a paratrooper named Dan Cooper who was like a hero.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And so there's Larry Carr, the.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
FBI agent, the retired former FBI agent, was looking into
this and it was like, oh, is this where he
got his name from?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Because it's that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, right, so I have to post up a picture
a link to that, because yeah, Larry Carr, he was
just like just farting around, you know, looking shit up,
and then he stumbles across this fucking comic book series
that was out around that same time. So it's like,
did you steal your identity and idea for this from
this fucking French comic book. And it would have been
(23:37):
like if one of them was in the military, this
is suspects were like to play it at any point
over in France, they would have seen this wucking, oh
so true comic book.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, the character in it, the Dan Cooper character, is
he kind of like the James Bond of this guy.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yes, okay, cool, Yeah, I could see. I could see
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
A lot of people kind of linked him to like
Robin Hood and type esk, like he was a full
hero obviously because he didn't harm anyone, and he could.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Have dropped some money off to me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I know, it wouldn't have killed him. It's a burying
half of it in the earth.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, that's what they were thinking, like did he did
it drop out like of the fucking parachute case and
it just wash up on shore and was buried, and
they're doing all these tests to figure out it, Like
if he buried it, would it be so decomposed at
this point.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
If it had been sitting in.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
The water, it probably would have been more decomposed. So
that would mean that it just maybe fell out.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And like you said, it wasn't clearly super deep.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
No, it was yeah, various art like superficial, and.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It had been like ten years, so I could see
for sure that it kind of just fell out and
then got buried right time, right, I'm still in the deposits.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Of the sand.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, but it was altogether too, so that's all in
cash back then was he going to go back for it,
good question.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I feel like he probably was like, oh no, my
five thousand out of my two hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Thousand dollars, it's a lot of fucking money.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, consider it a little tip to the to the
crime crime gods.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
He's like, I'm just gonna put those hands a little
bit of a heymn.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
That's crazy like that, he felt like he had to
go back for another, right.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's what I'm saying, because especially in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
One, and you said it like yes for more that time, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
For five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So it's like, are you buying if?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe if a relative or
someone needed money, maybe his wife needed money. Maybe he
just wanted to set them up for life and was like,
let's just go down to call out.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
One big, one last big hurrah. That's how it always is,
though we've all.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Seen the movies.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
One last big heist always is your last big heist, right.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, So two hundred thousand dollars in nineteen seventy one
is about one million, five hundred and fifty eight thousand
dollars and today's money, he.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Could have dropped ten Koffs. That's crazy muddy. So yeah,
the media.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Basically it was Dan Cooper. That's what he signed his
little ticket for, Like he signed his name was Dan Cooper,
is what he told the UH airline and then the media.
Somehow it got transformed into d B.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Cooper.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So that's how the dB Cooper name came about. But
it was Dan Cooper, which is the French fucking yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah, maybe a trix woman. I don't know, the French
dominatrix aviator. Yeah, the French aviator Dan Cooper. Yeah, we'll
definitely have to post up something so we can all
take a look at that. Cool ass.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's pretty fucking interesting like this. Uh, the kids that
came forward, like the brother and sister. Uh, this only
was released like November thirtieth of last year. Wow, so
it's very recent, like new cool that they found. Yeah,
so we'll keep you updated if anything comes about from
that FBI investigation of the parachute. Uh. It's just really
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fascating stuff. Like I always thought, it was really a
really fun case and a little bit more lighthearted.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Than our cases. So I figured a little palate cleanser.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, it was great, thanks for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, so good I've always been like super interested in
this case.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But and we might even get full end results in our.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Life in our lifetime, maybe maybe so cool story of
Dan Cooper, Dan Coopy, Daby Cooper, Baby Cooper.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, y'all, it's a nice little half calf, nice little
half calf.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
App By the time you hear this, it will be
multiple weeks down the line, But I figure we can
all just give Candace congratulations because she did get that
job she applied for.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be working at the you
and our library, archiving historical documents and other objects of note.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't know insert EV's from the Mummy a librarian,
God goals only it's you, So congrats.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I was literally going down all of the.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Different options that I could go with after graduating, and
Alex is like what, And I say, I thought you
were going to grad schools like I am.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I could also be a librarian.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Being a librarian is like the coolest job of life.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I think it'd be pretty cool if I could work
in like a fucking super old library.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Tooth moosis, what are you doing here.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Trying to shove it on the other shop?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That could be you me knocking down all of the
bookcases like Dominos.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Hilarious and then oops, I know too much about that movie,
so don't come at me, come at me, Pam. But cool, Well,
thanks so much for sharing that story. That was really
fun and interesting and I cannot believe I've never heard
of it. I feel like I'm just not like a
very haisty girl.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I love.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I love that you're here to show me the way.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I'm here to hype you up on some heist.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Hype me up on some hoist.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But if you guys have any other cases you want
us to cover, or any coffee shops that you want
us to take a look at, you can definitely hit
us up.
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Speaker 2 (29:35):
So remember say spooky.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Bye, say it again. Once they landed in Seattle at the.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, another sex, another sexpect Vietnam betterment? Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yet what the fund? I just say ter
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the true crime podcast that delves into the darker side
of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on the side.
I am your host, Candace and.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I am Sahara, and today we're going to be talking
about deeper.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm a creeper. Hire's sir Haarraah.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Hello, Candy, how are you? I'm just sleepy.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm me to you girl.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Early today we.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Were it was an early day. I was like eight
fifteen and I was running out the door at eight thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So nobody understands more than me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And now it's nine fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We've just been chatting, vibing, listening to stories.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Drinking some delicious coffee. So have you heard of this
case before?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I have not heard of this case really.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Okay, so it is still unsolved. Head job and the
FBI closed their case on this around twenty twelve, but
they're still like private investigators and a retired FBI agent
that are trying to figure it out, and they think
they might have found their guy. But we'll get into
(01:44):
that a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm very very interested. I can't wait to hear more
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, so we're gonna do a little something different as
far as what I reviewed and what I am going
to tell y'all to go check out in.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
The Great Arena area.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I got to go to Louie's Bass Corner finally, which
is on the corner of Fourth and.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Something.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's on First Street. It's really cute, two stories. The
upstairs is for like big parties. Downstairs also big parties,
because literally every single table had at least six people
sitting at it. I went with my girls Sean, Tal
and Brittany and their significant others, and then Alex and
(02:38):
some other guy that I didn't know. His name is Brian,
so Brian.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
But it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So it's family style, so you can order an entree
that comes after all of this other food, but you
get like fucking salad, you get soup, you get some beans,
some bread, and then chicken and rice to start, and
then you can order entrees to share as well. And
it's a lot of fucking food, all family style and
just passed mushing around and it was delicious. It's really good.
(03:08):
And then this D and D group came in right
after us and sat on the table next to us,
and they're hilarious there's one of them dressed up like
a wizard completely head to toe and he had a
fake beard on and I was like, bro, how are
you gonna eat the soup with the fake beard?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
He's like but he.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah. It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And then they had this drink called the Pecan which
is yeah, pecan punch is just like a shitload of
different spirits and I tried to see, Yeah, not my thing,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It's not for everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Not for everyone.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, the for I guess a lot of you listeners.
Reno is known for having like a big bass community.
So even our university has a BASK program that I
think a lot of people come to study. So these
bast Corner is like kind of a hop and little joint.
It's many many years now.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah, it's pretty cool. My BASK teacher.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I talked to her about it and she's like, oh, yeah,
it's like a staplefore when the board comes into town
and blah blah blahy's so cute.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love her.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I was like, that's fun. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Uh so yeah, it was a fun little little outing
and inspired by the basque culture class I took last
semester with doctor Ott, which if you have an opportunity
to take any of her classes that you and are
you should be cause she's amazing anyway that I heard
not in her class anymore. So it's not like I
will get an air anything. You're all like, no, she's
(04:35):
very very sweet.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Let's just hop on into this bad boy, because we
are short on time, because maybe someone's coming in after us. Baby,
I found a glitch in the matrix, and God is
an extra two hours and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We're gonna find out.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
We're going to find out real quick, all right, So
picture it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
November twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, one seventies, an unidentified
man hijacks a commercial airliner and extorts two hundred thousand
dollars in ransom, and then parachutes into the dark wilderness
of the Pacific Northwest, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
What what that's a crazy top line.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
It is literally the only unsolved case of air piracy
in the US, still unsolved to this day.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Wow, how did he get to the two hundred? Okay,
you know what, you're gonna get into it.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I'm gonna dive on into it.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No pun intended.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So nice November twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one, in the
middle of the afternoon, middle aged white man wearing a
black suit, tie and dark sunglasses boarded Northwest Orient Airlines
flight three oh five in Portland, Oregon, found for Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He purchased a.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
One way ticket in cash and put it under the
name of Dan Cooper. Later, because there's like a miscommunication
with the press, it became dB Cooper, so it was
actually Dan Cooper, which we'll also get into that because
there's a whole backstory for that name. Wild Shortly after takeoff,
Cooper hands a note to a flight attendant, Florence Shaffner,
(06:19):
So she thought it was just another businessman giving her
his phone number, trying to flirt with her. But he
leans in and says, miss, you're gonna want to read
that I have a bomb, okay, And she she's like, fuck, okay.
She reads the note, which states he had an explosive
device and he demanded two hundred thousand dollars in cash,
four parachutes, and a fuel truck ready to be to
(06:42):
refuel the plane in Seattle. And he also requests that
she sit next to him, so he's like, oh yeah,
and takes it and takes the note back from her.
Smart We'll get into that too. Once they landed at
Seattle to Coma International Air, Cooper allowed the thirty six
passengers to disembark in exchange for his ransom demands. He
(07:05):
kept the flight crew aboard and ordered the pilot to
take off again, heading southward Mexico City at a slow
speed and at a height of about ten thousand feet
with the flaps down and landing gear partially extended.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Weird.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Somewhere over southwestern Washington between eight and eight thirteen pm,
Cooper lowered the planes rear airstairs and jumped into the freezing,
rainy night with the ransom money and a parachute.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That is so wild.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was raining, yeahining windy Pacific Northwest, infamously rainy, ray,
shitty weather, cold bite. It's also laces to be I
guess November, so it's like the day after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That is so weird.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh. By the time the FBI realized that Cooper was gone,
it was too late, and then a massive manhunt ensued. Dude,
but there was no trace of him left behind.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I dumped on an airplane. One.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Investigators scoured a vast stretch of wilderness near Ariel, Washington.
Believing that Cooper Lynn is somewhere in the dense forests
of the Cascade Mountains. They considered several possibilities.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Did he die, right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well there was yeah, right, he was not dressed for survival,
so he's in a suit with loafers. What Yeah, in
the middle of the Pacific North was in the Cascade
Mountains and your chances of surviving are very slim at
this point. Anyways, Wow, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They considered the.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Other possibility, did he survive and escape? No one saw
him land and no body or parachute was ever recovered.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That is so weird.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Where did he go?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
What happened to you? dB?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Coops?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
In nineteen eighty, a young boy named Brian Ingram found
five eight hundred dollars and decomposed twenty dollars bills along
the Columbia River, about twenty miles west of where Cooper's
suspected landing site was. The serial numbers match okay, the
ransom money, but the discovery only deepened the mystery, so
it was also buried a little bit. So the boy
(09:22):
was just like playing around kicking stuff like you know,
as you do, and saw some money and then started
digging and found like all this cash.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So okay, I'm sure you're gonna get into theories, so
I'm not going to right now.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
But that's wild. Kids bathing like can get into it.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Maybe five thousand of the two hundred thousand ransom and
it's his?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Is it? Possibly?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
He just like, do we know how he had the
money when he jumped out? Like could have just fallen
because this was like ten years later.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
There it was like sewn into one of the parachutes.
So he had got in the four parachutes and he
inspected them all to make sure that they hadn't tampered
with them, because he was smart and he was like,
what if they do. There's no track or anything on here.
And then he had like yeah, stuffed it into one
of the parachutes the bags or whatever, and then fucking
(10:14):
sealed it shut.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
So he jumped out with that his loafers. He left
his clip on tie, which we'll get into what there
was a clip on J. C. Penny's tie with a
little gold.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Tie clip and then he hops out. But if you
if you so crap into your parachute won't that like
fuck with it.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, he was holding onto one of them and then
had another one on his back, and then the other two.
They they think that he might have thought about taking
a hostage or wanted to make it appear like he
was going to so they wouldn't fuck with him.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So over the decades, there were dozens of suspects. Some
of the most prominent include the following.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Richard Floyd McCoy, a.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Vietnam veteran and experienced guydiver. McCoy committed a similar hijacking
in nineteen seventy two, so only like six months after this.
He demanded five hundred thousand dollars and twenty dollars bills
and parachuted out of the plane. However, he was caught
days later and he was later killed.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
In a shootout with the FBI. Oh wild which I'll
get And so he did the same one.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
He did the same thing, had like similar demands, also
wanted multiple parachutes.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Is it possible he was just a copycut?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Possible?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But there were certain aspects of the case for dB
Cooper that no one would have known. And it was
so similar to the dB Cooper case that they were like,
there's a good chance there's a very outstead and Alway said,
because yeah, he literally got into a shootout with police
in Florida and they killed him.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Okay, I don't know. He sounds like a pretty good
suspect to.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Very good suspect. Was his name Floyd Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Floyd McCoy, Jake See from Fresnel, Richard Floyd McCoy, Richard
Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Second suspect was Kenneth Christensen, who was a former Northwest
Airlines employee. He fit the general description of Cooper and
had unexplained wealth after the hijacking, but there was no
solid evidence selling him to the crime. So he was
like buying shit in cash. But I would assume if
the serial numbers mashed, they would be able to figure
(12:33):
it out, like if yeah, he was the guy he
was paying cash for shit, they would be able to.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Track it back to him, right well, And I feel.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Unless he changed it out and was just like, hey,
can you switch out these twenty dollars bills be hundreds yeah,
rtens buys I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, he like put them in a bank, yeah, in
a few days and then pulled it out or something. Yeah,
I could see that happening, although you would still be
able to track it. I would like to know, like
what these people did for a living that would enable
them to jump out of airplanes in rainy weather.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, they worked for the airlines, or they were like
experienced skydivers is what Floyd McCoy was too. That's still
or like former military so paratroopers, which was our next guy,
Robert Rastraw. He was a military veteran with training in
paratrooping and explosives. Rackstraw was suspected by some FBI agents. However,
(13:23):
he was ultimately dismissed due to lack of conclusive evidence.
So there's just no conclusive evidence linking anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
To this. That is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Another suspect was Lynn Doyle or LD Cooper LD Cooper.
In twenty eleven, LD Cooper's niece claimed on her deathbed
that he had confessed to being dB Cooper. However, no
concrete proof was found.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Wouldn't be hilarious if he's just making a joke because
their names were so similar.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Probably likes, well, I'm dB Cooper, like stressing about that
her whole life.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
LD Cooper, Yeah, she was just like my uncle fucking
he did it, got away with it. I don't know.
I wouldn't tell anyone.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'd be like, no snitch, bush money. A couple couple thousands, begin.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
The FBI officially closed the dB Cooper case in twenty sixteen,
so only nine years ago, citing that there was no
evidence and no more promising leads. So they were just like,
We're not gonna spend any more money on this. I'm
sure they spent well over two hundred thousand dollars trying.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To find the two hundred thousand dollars, right, and did
they not have like fingerprints or DNA?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
They didn't find shit? What the hell?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So there's only a little bit of something something on
the tie, and we'll get into that. So amateur Sleus
(15:05):
and former FBI agent Larry Carr, who led the investigation
from two thousand and six twenty ten, has kind.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Of reopened the case a little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
He's retired, so he has all these citizens slus kind
of helping with him. And last year, in an interview,
Car mentioned the possibility of the FBI re examining existing evidence,
particularly in light of new leads or technological advancements. He
emphasized that while the case is administratively closed, it could
be revisited if compelling evidence emerges. Okay, so there's been
(15:37):
some new evidence that they've entered into this case. This
brother and sister after their father died, they were kind
of cleaning out of his house of Richard Floyd McCoy.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
They found a parachute that matches the description of the
one that d B.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Cooper was given. So one of the four.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
This is not Richard Floyd McCay.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Richard Floyd McCoy's children.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, this was the guy that was later killed in
the FBI shootout in nineteen seventy four. He actually escaped
from prison and then was caught and died in a shootout.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Wow, in Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
This guy's wild. Yeah, so he.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Had done the second hijacking, was sentenced to forty five
years to life in prison, and then yeah, he fucking
escaped and died in a shootout with FBI agents in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So fifty years later, the McCoy children were like, we're
pretty sure of that our dad is dB Cooper. Obviously
the second hijacking was very similar, and they also the.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
They found a parachute rig that they're pretty sure was
used by Deep Keeper doing the hijacking. So when they
were like looking over this parachute rig, one of the
guys that's like an expert in the field was like, Yeah,
this rig is literally one in a billion, like it's
very unique. It was modified military surplus fucking rig and
(17:17):
it was like just hidden away in the attic type shit.
So their their mom died in twenty twenty, twenty twenty,
and they just believe that she helped him kind of
get away with it and maybe picked and yeah, maybe
picked him up and or even like helped him escape
from prison and so.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
In the second round. But yeah, they're like.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I don't know, he sounds like the one to me.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So the the FBI actually took custody of the parachute
and are looking into this new development in that.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
There's also.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Floral like some sort of material found on the JC
Penny clip tie that under a microscope, the like eco
biologist was able to figure out that it was from
around the same area that Richard Flow McCoy lived. So
it's like the very circumstantial evidence, but if they can
(18:19):
link the parachute to this case, Like I'm assuming maybe
there was serial numbers that they were able to, like
as they were giving them to the flight attendants to
give to D. B. Cooper, Like they had to have
taken some sort of a record, right, So.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Well, at the very least, I mean, if they can
tell that the tie was from the same area, they
could probably tell that the parachute was from the airplane
I don't know, right, or at least was in where
he jumped out of because they.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Can trace it back to him buying a clip on
tie from J. C. Penny or some shit, like there's
a receipt in that house somewhere.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, picture right, that's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Solo had a strong resemblance to guy literally the next
year did a bigger hijacking. Yeah, five hundred thousand dollars extreme. Yeah,
yeah right, it's like you should have stopped at one,
goddamn it. But very I mean, it seems like this
is the guy. If it's not, I'm gonna be shook
(19:19):
with if they signed out it's not him.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
He seems like he's got all the tailtale side an
air pirate.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
An air pirate, right, the impact that this guy's left.
I mean, people are fucking obsessed with this case because
it's still unsolved. It's literally like this dude that was
just very calm and man like. The flight attendants afterwards
were just like, yeah, he was very polite, very calm,
very unassuming. He was just like one of those guys
where he just got on the plane and they were
just like, Okay, this guy's not going to cause any
trouble immediately. And he literally opens up his little briefcase
(19:49):
and there's like a bunch of wires and ship and looks.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Like a bomb. So yeah, he's just like or do
you think it was Like I don't think it was
a real bomb.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't think it is either, right, and think.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He was just like I wonder hiss some red wires
and some blue wires.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I don't like the fact that he's like, yeah, I'll
drop off all the people.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
For some right, Like just give me, give me the
flight crew and let's go to Mexico City.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, just really, quicks, I'm jumps off a plane, olmo
exactly do we know why the landing gear was happening?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
So he must have had some sort of knowledge about
the plane. It was a seven forty seven Boeing and apparently,
like you're not supposed to be able to lower the
fucking little dew hickey in the back like that, I
don't know what.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
It's called, godament, like the thing that you lit the
cargo into. Mm hmm okay, So.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Like you're not supposed to be able to open up
the rear cargo door during flight, but I think because
that the landing gear was partially lowered, it might have
been able to bypassing. Yeah. So, and this is the
exact same thing that Richard Floyd Mco. Did And this
next one, which is also a seven forty seven Boeing,
(21:02):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Ask all the listeners the dumbest question they've ever heard
in their life, But why wouldn't he just use like
a hatch door to jump out?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Probably the air pressure And I'm assuming since he was
so we were low, they were low, they were low.
They're ten thousand feet flying at a slower speed than
they normally would and yeah, so I'm just I'm assuming
it's because it like the pilot and co pilot saw
the little light go off when he did lower the
(21:30):
cargo door. So like, I don't know, maybe if you'd
take off the hatch like a deep pressurizes the cabin
and it wouldn't have done that so much as far
as like the cargo bay goes.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm not an acation yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Expert at all. I've flown on the many of a plane.
I don't want to right now because it's kind of scary.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's spooky out there. Well spooky squad.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Please tell us if you ever survived a plane jacking.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Or no anything about planes living jackings.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know, it'd be pretty quite crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah if you.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I mean, this was only in seventy one, so there's
still passengers that are alive now. If you were a
passenger of.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Uh infamous DBI Cooper case, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because I want to know, like, did you have any
idea what was going on?
Speaker 4 (22:20):
How was the flight crew?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Northwest Orient Airlines flight three oh five. I feel like, yeah,
you know, yeah, if you you remember, unless you were
like a baby and then your parents were like, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I still want to hear about it, though, I too,
tell us what's up?
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, it's so crazy he got killed with that sheet
in that sheet, if that was him, yeah, because now
we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
He denied it up and down. They like questioned him,
and he was like, I'm not DBI Cooper.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But there was also he was really smart and cool
and I really like that guy.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
What's the other There was also a fucking.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Comic book, like a French comic book, where there was
a paratrooper named Dan Cooper who was like a hero.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And so there's Larry Carr, the.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
FBI agent, the retired former FBI agent, was looking into
this and it was like, oh, is this where he
got his name from?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Because it's that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, right, so I have to post up a picture
a link to that, because yeah, Larry Carr, he was
just like just farting around, you know, looking shit up,
and then he stumbles across this fucking comic book series
that was out around that same time. So it's like,
did you steal your identity and idea for this from
this fucking French comic book. And it would have been
(23:37):
like if one of them was in the military, this
is suspects were like to play it at any point
over in France, they would have seen this wucking, oh
so true comic book.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Well, the character in it, the Dan Cooper character, is
he kind of like the James Bond of this guy.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yes, okay, cool, Yeah, I could see. I could see
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
A lot of people kind of linked him to like
Robin Hood and type esk, like he was a full
hero obviously because he didn't harm anyone, and he could.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Have dropped some money off to me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I know, it wouldn't have killed him. It's a burying
half of it in the earth.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Well, that's what they were thinking, like did he did
it drop out like of the fucking parachute case and
it just wash up on shore and was buried, and
they're doing all these tests to figure out it, Like
if he buried it, would it be so decomposed at
this point.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
If it had been sitting in.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
The water, it probably would have been more decomposed. So
that would mean that it just maybe fell out.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And like you said, it wasn't clearly super deep.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
No, it was yeah, various art like superficial, and.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It had been like ten years, so I could see
for sure that it kind of just fell out and
then got buried right time, right, I'm still in the deposits.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Of the sand.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, but it was altogether too, so that's all in
cash back then was he going to go back for it,
good question.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I feel like he probably was like, oh no, my
five thousand out of my two hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Thousand dollars, it's a lot of fucking money.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Okay, consider it a little tip to the to the
crime crime gods.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
He's like, I'm just gonna put those hands a little
bit of a heymn.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
That's crazy like that, he felt like he had to
go back for another, right.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's what I'm saying, because especially in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
One, and you said it like yes for more that time, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
For five hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
So it's like, are you buying if?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe if a relative or
someone needed money, maybe his wife needed money. Maybe he
just wanted to set them up for life and was like,
let's just go down to call out.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
One big, one last big hurrah. That's how it always is,
though we've all.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Seen the movies.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
One last big heist always is your last big heist, right.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, So two hundred thousand dollars in nineteen seventy one
is about one million, five hundred and fifty eight thousand
dollars and today's money, he.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Could have dropped ten Koffs. That's crazy muddy. So yeah,
the media.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Basically it was Dan Cooper. That's what he signed his
little ticket for, Like he signed his name was Dan Cooper,
is what he told the UH airline and then the media.
Somehow it got transformed into d B.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Cooper.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
So that's how the dB Cooper name came about. But
it was Dan Cooper, which is the French fucking yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah, maybe a trix woman. I don't know, the French
dominatrix aviator. Yeah, the French aviator Dan Cooper. Yeah, we'll
definitely have to post up something so we can all
take a look at that. Cool ass.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's pretty fucking interesting like this. Uh, the kids that
came forward, like the brother and sister. Uh, this only
was released like November thirtieth of last year. Wow, so
it's very recent, like new cool that they found. Yeah,
so we'll keep you updated if anything comes about from
that FBI investigation of the parachute. Uh. It's just really
(27:01):
fascating stuff. Like I always thought, it was really a
really fun case and a little bit more lighthearted.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Than our cases. So I figured a little palate cleanser.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, it was great, thanks for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, so good I've always been like super interested in
this case.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
But and we might even get full end results in our.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Life in our lifetime, maybe maybe so cool story of
Dan Cooper, Dan Coopy, Daby Cooper, Baby Cooper.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, y'all, it's a nice little half calf, nice little
half calf.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
App By the time you hear this, it will be
multiple weeks down the line, But I figure we can
all just give Candace congratulations because she did get that
job she applied for.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be working at the you
and our library, archiving historical documents and other objects of note.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't know insert EV's from the Mummy a librarian,
God goals only it's you, So congrats.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I was literally going down all of the.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Different options that I could go with after graduating, and
Alex is like what, And I say, I thought you
were going to grad schools like I am.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I could also be a librarian.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Being a librarian is like the coolest job of life.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I think it'd be pretty cool if I could work
in like a fucking super old library.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Tooth moosis, what are you doing here.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Trying to shove it on the other shop?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That could be you me knocking down all of the
bookcases like Dominos.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Hilarious and then oops, I know too much about that movie,
so don't come at me, come at me, Pam. But cool, Well,
thanks so much for sharing that story. That was really
fun and interesting and I cannot believe I've never heard
of it. I feel like I'm just not like a
very haisty girl.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I love.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I love that you're here to show me the way.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I'm here to hype you up on some heist.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Hype me up on some hoist.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But if you guys have any other cases you want
us to cover, or any coffee shops that you want
us to take a look at, you can definitely hit
us up.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
We are on Instagram at.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Scream dot and Dot Sugar, dot podcast.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
We are on Facebook Scream and Sugar, True Cream Coffee Hour,
on TikTok, Scream dot and Dot Sugar.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
And we are also available by Gmail.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Scream and Sugar email at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
But otherwise we will catch you on the next one.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
So remember say spooky.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Bye, say it again. Once they landed in Seattle at the.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, another sex, another sexpect Vietnam betterment? Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yet what the fund? I just say ter
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