June 25, 2025 • 57 mins
In this week’s episode of Scream and Sugar, we dive into the chilling double life of Elaine Antoinette Parent—a master manipulator, identity thief, and murderer.
Dubbed “The Chameleon Killer” by authorities, Parent left a trail of forged documents, stolen identities, and at least one gruesome murder in her wake. But how did an upper-middle-class girl from Florida become one of the most elusive suspects in FBI history? And what twisted motives drove her to kill and vanish again and again? Buckle up for a tale of deception, plastic masks, and postcards from the edge—this one is as wild as it is terrifying.
So grab your coffee and your crime scene curiosity—because this week, the truth is wearing someone else’s face. Shout out to Black Rock Desserts for today's review!
And remember, stay spooky, y’all!
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Dubbed “The Chameleon Killer” by authorities, Parent left a trail of forged documents, stolen identities, and at least one gruesome murder in her wake. But how did an upper-middle-class girl from Florida become one of the most elusive suspects in FBI history? And what twisted motives drove her to kill and vanish again and again? Buckle up for a tale of deception, plastic masks, and postcards from the edge—this one is as wild as it is terrifying.
So grab your coffee and your crime scene curiosity—because this week, the truth is wearing someone else’s face. Shout out to Black Rock Desserts for today's review!
And remember, stay spooky, y’all!
Notes:
Scream and Sugar Merch: scream-and-sugar-podcast.printify.me/
Black Rock Desserts: https://www.blackrockdesserts.com/
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/scream-and-sugar-true-crime-coffee-hour--6015946/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the true crime coffee hour podcast that dives into the
darker side of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on
the side. I am your host, Candice, and I am Sahara,
and today we're going to be talking about the chameleon
killer Elaine parent.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Nice. Okay, Oka.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Wo Hi, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh, lordy, lordy? Who's lordy? I'm okay. I have a
fucking headache right behind my left eyeball and it's really
fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm so sorry. It's like one of those light ones.
Maybe maybe, yeah, do you want to turn off these
Maybe that will help your vision.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It feels a little bit nicer. I think part of
it is that I never wear these glasses. I always
wear my contacts, so uh, the pressure from like the
little armies, it's right up in your head, on your nose.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I will say, when you turn slightly to the side,
I can see how thick they are, so they're probably pretty.
They're intense.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm blind. I'm blind as he blind.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Beautiful eyes can't see big.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Old, beautiful, beautiful eyes. I's not gonna know.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's what they say. About Elijah Wood that he has
like the most beautiful eyes, but he also can't see anything.
So it's like life, giveth take it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like, oh, they're going to be really pretty and
people are going to compliment you on them, but you
can't see out of them for seeing they're not functional.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, it's the best. How are you? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Get? You know? Just busy, busy, busiest, busiest bee that
I've ever bissed. But it's on me because I'm also
terrible at time management, just really bad at it. So
so by the seat of my pants, I have one
hand grasping the buttthole, on the other hand just leaving
blinds waving on the wind.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's just like, let's go this way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Hand on my half exactly. That's how it feels beautiful. So, uh, today.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
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we ordered some tasty, delicious treats and then I started
talking to the person serving us, and he was like
(03:14):
part owner of the business. His name is Marlon. What's up, Marlon?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Marlon?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And he started telling me this fucking crazy ass story
about like someone here in Reno that was murdered by
the mob and his body was never found, but they
had just like cordoned off a section of the river
and he thinks that maybe they finally found his remains.
So anyway, he's a really interesting guy to talk to you.
And I guess one of his friends does like the
(03:39):
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They make all their ice cream in house, and they've
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(04:01):
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Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's her new jingle, black Crock is in Midtown. Cool
love it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, anyway, we can hop on into this one because
we've got limited timesise, Okay, let's go. So the sources
that I use for this story today include a murder
Pedia page on Elaine parent and also there is a
like three part docuseries on sun Dance about this case,
(04:37):
which is called The Hunt for the chameleon killer. Uh,
it's kind of a wild case. Like this lady was
all over the place and they'm not they're not even
sure her actual name was Elaen Parent.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's fascinating. I've actually never heard of this kids, so
I'm really excited. I was like to use chamellions to
kill people, Like.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
She poisoned the chameleons toes and then they would.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Stick them in people's mouths.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I feel kamelions are not very fast. You ever seeing them,
like like the the boys, and they're just like really
slowly grabbing the branch and like their eyes are going
all crazy. I thought maybe that's why they called her
the chameleon killer, because her eyes were like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh that's fucking hilarious. Oh my god. I don't know
they were like the chamelion killers. She is she looking
on multiple places at once when I look north.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
When I look in East. Stupid. So very little known
about her early life as well. Elaen Parent was born
in the Bronx, New York on August fourth, nineteen forty two,
to like an upper middle class family, so she had
(05:46):
pretty much everything she wanted. From a lot of accounts,
it says that her mom was like doted on her
and just supported her in every endeavor that she would
like undertake her dad kind of more distant, not really
in fifties, dad, exactly exactly. She gets her real estate
(06:06):
license or her realtor license in the seventies, and the
only way that they know that is that there's there
is a newspaper clipping that literally says realtor alien parent
and it has her sitting in like this chair showing
like or like interviewing with this journalist. That's so interesting, right,
and they've never found her birth certificate?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Wow, so what in the mob ask it's weird happening.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's weird already weird. She didn't really have a lot
of trouble like with the law, or at least there's
no record of it, okay, growing up.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, if they can't even find her birth certificate, I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
All right, right, I'm sure a record keeping back in
the diszay was not the best. Like there's a fire,
everything's fucking gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Sure, who knows no digital copies?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If there's only the like you can send off for
a copy of your birth certificate too. So I'm wondering,
like how they weren't able to.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Maybe it was like a home birth something that's so interesting, Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Very interesting. She started taking on different personas in the
nineteen eighties. So she's down in Florida at this point,
and she's starting to run different scams like identity theft.
She uses fake names and stories to gain people's trust.
She also takes on like a British accent, and they
(07:33):
suspect that she used it. Used at least twenty different
aliases throughout her career, her criminal career.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Florida man, of course.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay, well she's I mean, she's from New York.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But that's wild. So she's just a con man.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She's just to the bone. She also uses this tactic
where she tells people that she is like a kind
of like a psychic medium and she knows how to
to tell people's futures by by numerology.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Oh I've met people like that, have you. Neurology is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's like, hopefully you haven't given them your social Security number?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Oh no, never, Oh my god, is that what she did?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, that's so funny. She would like be casual about
it and be like at first, it would be like
little things like what's your birthday, what's your driver's license number?
And then it would be like other people related to them,
like what's their birthday and shit, and then she'd be like,
what's your bank Like you're rounding them an account number,
(08:37):
and I'm like, red fucking flag. But obviously, like back
in the eighties, people weren't as aware of identity theft
at the time, so so I mean, it wasn't like
they didn't think that she could do anything with it, right,
which I'm like, what the fuck? And she was very
charming by all accounts too, Like there is a woman
that she victimized early on at like it sounds like
(09:02):
it was a gay bar, and the documentary says it
was like a lady's bar, and then there's a men's
bar next door.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Elaine walks into this bar, sits down next to Charlie
Cohen and just starts chatting her up and tells her,
my name's Anne Tremont. I'm just waiting. She's speaking with
her British accent. She's well dressed, she's got like this
dark auburn hair and just knock out gorgeous. So she
starts chatting Charlie up. Yeah, no, not wonky eyes new
(09:35):
wonkey eyes, she says. She tells Charlie, Oh, I'm just
waiting for my brother. He's over at the Men's bar,
and so, you know, like I've got a little bit
of time to kill. She orders a beer, her and
Charlie start talking. She buys Charlie a beer, and then
she kicks in with the numerology shit, and Charlie goes
along with it and gives her like all of her information.
(09:56):
Charlie because she's like, I really liked her. They hit
it off, like the accent helps to Oh my god. Yeah,
well that was another thing that was brought up is
like most Americans think, like if you have a British accent,
you're considered Like in my mind too, if someone's speaking
to me and like a proper British accent, I'm automatically
(10:17):
gonna be like, oh, this classy bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We are so stressed, well brainwashed by the media.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like to the nine, she's like dressed really nicely in
these designer clothes.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So we just think, oh, yeah, you're rich, what are
you going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Like exactly, like you're not gonna need.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Charlie.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Charlie to her interview like she's just like this fucking
super laid back like old lady at this point. Now,
like she's wearing like a flannel and jeans, and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
She is Charlie who she is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
She's just very salt of the earth type of person.
And just like was like, ok yeah, she got calmed hard.
But this isn't how their their interaction ends either. So
so Charlie is sitting there with Elaine or Anne, she's
calling herself, and then a man walks in and Elaine
is like, oh, that's my brother. I have to go.
(11:09):
She They exchange numbers and then Elaine leaves with this
man who's never identified.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Do you think it was like another con or like
a partner.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think they allegedly supposedly she did not act alone,
but they never were able to tie her to anyone else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Anyway, so they leave, Charlie's like, Okay, well she was
really nice. Didn't think anything was really gonna come of it.
But then Elaine calls her the next day and they
go to lunch and then they strike up this friendship.
They start spending a lot of time together and then
it kind of peters off for a week and Charlie
gets this call from Anne. Her voice sounds really shaky.
(11:52):
She is saying that there one of their aunts had
died and so her brother was had her committed to
an insane asylum to try and make sure that she
didn't have access to any of the money. Wow. Wow, yeah, Wow,
She's able to get out of the insane asylum quote unquote,
(12:17):
and she shows up on Charlie's door disheveled, and Charlie
says that it looked like she was trying to dress
like a man. She just looked really like from what
Alien told her, she had escaped by impersonating someone else, essentially,
and she just was really distraught, crying and just going
(12:37):
on and on and on about how she needed a
new identity and she needed it to go away from her
brother so he couldn't find her. And she was pleading
and begging with Charlie to give her access to her
birth certificate and a couple like I think it was
her birth certificate and her license, and basically she just
was like, I just needed to get a set of
(12:57):
documents to get me out of here and like to
provide me with a new identity.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So she basically said, I'm gonna steal your identity to
poor Charlie's face, and Charlie went, you poor thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well after a while, like she said no at first,
and she's like no, that something's off, like this is weird,
and then eventually she's finally like, okay, whatever, didn't hear
from Elaine again? She gets the letter in the mail
several months later with her birstipicate in it, and then
there's like a letter that says thank you so much,
(13:27):
and then there's like lipprints on the letter best and.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Essentially, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Dude, she doesn't hear a peer back until a little
bit later. And we'll get into that too. Oh that's
just like a little gloves sent to want interaction one
early interaction what an Elaine parent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
An elaborate story, right, elaborate, right, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And it said that she kind of repeated the same
routine with a lot of people throughout the years, and
eventually we would get to July twentieth, nineteen ninety the
body of a woman is found in Pompano Beach, Florida.
It is missing its head in its hands and there
(14:19):
is a segment of the abdomen of the flesh of
the abdomen that has been cut away, and upon further inspection,
forensic analysts that are able to determine that there is
some tattoo ink. So they think that whoever murdered this
person was attempting to hide her identity or at least
make it very difficult.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Isn't that pretty common with like head and hand removal.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yes, yes, absolutely, becausdental records and fingerprints are too of
like the easy space to identify somebody, but.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
To make sure you get lots of tattoos them all.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was totally thinking about this morning, and I was
like taking a shower. I was like looking and I
was like, it would be fucking so hard to get
rid of all my attacks. To guess what, I don't
think there's like my hands are the things that don't
have the tattoos. In my head, I mean I don't
have tattoos. It's like you get rid of those, Yeah,
(15:12):
but I have like forty fucking tattoos.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Also, I guess we'll get cut none that skinner that's
fucking gross. That's actually one of my nightmares. But yeah, okay,
I was thinking that last night, and.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I was just this morning and I was just like, girl,
what moral strain anyway, But what the murderer didn't realize
is that this woman had a small yellow rose tattoo
on her ankle, so there was another tattoo. So her
body was found with the jeans and a tank top
on the torso and then one sandal on one foot.
(15:47):
The man that found her was going fishing with his
niece on like one of these little canals and they
were trying to get minnows to help bait for like
other fish like. So what he thought on the bank
was like a bag of clothes or something that somebody
had dumped. Upon further inspection, he found that her decapita remains.
(16:08):
Oh my god, dud. And so this goes out like
on the news, the local news station there in Saint
Lucy County, and it's a really small community, so uh,
it's kind of shocking, like the community doesn't really see
these types of crimes happen a lot. And another woman
is watching this report sees they're not able to show
(16:32):
like the full picture of the remains, but sees the
small tattoo of the of the yellow rose and immediately
says to herself, that's my coworker. Beverly McGowan. Oh my god,
who had been m I A for like the last
three days. Oh no. So Beverly McGowan was a thirty
(16:53):
four year old bank clerk in Papano Beach, Florida. She
had literally just bought a condo and had two cats
and had gotten this job at a bank. Was really,
like by all accounts, really quiet and kind of kept
her herself, and they didn't You wouldn't really notice her
listening to something, is what her friend, like her coworker said.
(17:13):
She wouldn't realize that she was listening along to a
conversation until she like fucking equipped in with like a quick,
witty like comment about it, and they'd all fucking laugh.
And uh So, she was getting her life together, was
really happy about her condo, was really close with her
brother who lived like a mile or two away from her.
And so the coworker calls the brother and is like,
(17:39):
turn on the news. I'm pretty sure it's Beverally, because
they had been in contact with one another. He's like,
I'm pretty sure your sister's dead. He turns it on,
sees the news they talk about the yellow Rose tattoo,
and he's like, yeah, that's my sister, like he had
no doubt in his mind that she had been murdered.
Oh my god. The day before, he and his other
sister had both gotten handwritten notes from Beverly, allegedly basically
(18:05):
saying that she was selling the condo, she was leaving town,
and that she just needed to travel for a while
to kind of find herself not and to not to
try to contact her, that she needed some space and
when she got back she would be able to afford
everything and don't have to worry about money on a
(18:25):
day to day basis essentially. And it was signed goodbye BEV.
And did they like what did they recognize a hand
the handwriting? This said, it looked like Beverly's handwriting. But
she would never sign off with like a goodbye or anything.
She would just sign her like BEV. So so it
was suspicious. It was suspicious already her brother had gone
(18:47):
over to the house, had peeked in the windows and
seen that everything was in order, like it was tidy.
He used a spare key to get inside, saw that
a couple of things were missing, including like all like
her passport perthertificate, which I don't know why he would
know that where that was. Her handgun though, was a
three fifty seven magnum caliber handgun, and her answering machine.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Her answering machine was gone.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Her answering machine was gone.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh that's suspicious, somebody should and her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Cats were gone.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, just so her car, her answering machine, cats, gun
or certificate, certificate everything, all that stuff. And he's like, okay, well,
if she did just leave, this is before they found
the body. If she did just leave, he's like, I'm
gonna cancel her credit cards and then at least that'll
piss her off en up to where she'll have to
talk to me and tell me what the fuck is
(19:39):
going on, obviously, and then he then the next day
they fined her body, so she had had no I
need to know what what did they find the kiddies? No,
I don't know howpen to the cats, and they never
found her head or hands either.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, well, those canals are like heavily infested with alligators.
So what they think happened is that the person that
murdered her had decapitated her and like took her hands,
like amputated her hands. At the site where she was dumped,
and then they had tried to throw her body into
the water so that crop like the al alligators would
(20:20):
eat them, eat it, and didn't get enough like inertia
to actually like throw her all the way into the water. Okay,
so she had ended up on the bank instead of
in the water, so they thought, they said, yeah, well,
I don't know if they maybe they didn't check or
they didn't want to climb down. I don't know how
(20:40):
steep it was. I don't know any of those details.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They tossed her from likely above, right, Okay, got.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It, which also makes me think that there's more than
one person me too. So anyway, there was a lot
of blood found by where her body was also found,
so that's what they alleged. They alleged that she was
decapitated and her hands are amputated at that site, and
then she was dumped but just didn't make it watter,
(21:07):
which I'm like, that's sloppy, but whatever, I'm glad that
they found her anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I'm glad that person missed that tattoo, Like, thank
goodness for that, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right, that's to you. Otherwise they probably would not have
been able to.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Not scream like somebody with mob ties or something, because.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
How really shitty job with the fucking decapitation. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I was just gonna say, like, how as an average person,
like before true crime was like out and about all
the time, Like, how would you even think to decapitate
somebody removed their hands and remove their tattoo.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If they're watching enough. Forensic PCE just wanted.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Like, what year is this the eighties?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Right in her little the tattoo on her torso and
her tummy was Thumper from Bambi. Yeah, oh man, dude,
you know it's like that nties tattoo?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Wait is this the nineties at this point? Okay, okay, okay,
you're right, you're right, that kind of makes sense. Okay, continue,
But okay, So.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The forensic pathologist that was on the case too, that
like did the whole medical examination afterwards, found a tooth
because they didn't like get it between like the cervical vertebrae,
her lower jaws or her mandible was still sort of present.
They found one tooth and from gentle records they were
(22:27):
able to positively id her.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Wow, dude, how do you I have a lot of
questions same when cutting somebody's head off. You'd think that
you would aim very very intently at the neck because
I feel like that would be the least amount of resistance. Right,
they left half the mandible.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There, part of it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There was one tooth, so wow, dude, this poor woman.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I know they didn't. They weren't really able to determine
the cause of death either. What they think was that
(23:12):
she might have been shot in the head with the
three fifty seven, and another theory was that her throat
was split. But I feel like they would have been
able to determine that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, especially if they if it was so high.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, but for the decapitation that they said that the
person that dismembered her used a chainsaw or something similar
to that effect. Oh, maybe that's why I wasn't a
clear cut. Yeah, they like maybe like a clean cut,
yeah exactly. But like if you're capable of decapitating and
dismember like dismembering somebody, like it's not super common in
(23:51):
like just like domestic dispute or murder stuff, but we've
seen it time and time again. Like I feel like
I brought up like three cases now or I've talked
about dismemberment.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, very it's surprisingly common, right, Do you think that
Bev was.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay? No? So she had had two boyfriends that had
died in car accidents, two different boyfriends, So she had
had a lot of trauma and she was kind of
she would date, but she would get like she would
start to get close to the person she was dating,
and then from the trauma, I think she was just like,
(24:26):
I can't get close to this person. So what did
end up surfacing is that Beverly had two jobs. She
was working at the bank and she was also working
part time at a good will trying to come up
with the mortgage payments for the condo, and was falling
(24:47):
a little bit short, Like she was really struggling to
keep up with that. So she started looking for a
roommate before all of this happened, and didn't have any
success with just like asking around, like she asked her
brother and sister if they knew anyone, she asked her
coworkers if they knew anyone looking for a room to rent,
and just didn't have any luck with it. So she,
(25:09):
against everyone's like please, decided to put an ad out
in the paper oh no, And so she basically advertised
it as two bedroom, two bath condo in Pompano Beach,
thirty four year old female plus two cats. And it
(25:32):
was basically like the rent was two hundred ninety dollars
a month and then we would split utilities, is what
the ad kind of was putting out there to everyone.
And someone responded that she was like, oh, perfect, this
is a perfect match. The woman's name was Alice, and
she had a British accent. She was allegedly working for
(25:56):
IBM and had been relocated by this company to Florida
from London and she was just looking for a temporary
place to stay until she kind of got her bearings
in the States.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh sounds nothing like Anne.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
She before had blonde hair, blue eyes, well dressed and
just like Beverly really liked her. She's like, well, we're
gonna get along really well. She's really classy. It seems
like we're going to have a fun time together.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Oh no, yeah, this poor girl, dude, I swear to God,
like bad people can just smell vulnerability. Oh yeah, absolutely,
that's so heartbreaking, dude.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For her, I'm a single woman.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, yeh, kiddies and.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Those cats hopefully they found them. But so, when Alice
responded to this, ad Beverly has started talking to her,
and she had told her coworkers that Alice was she
knew numerology and that so she was asked for her
social Security number and banking information, and that she was
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telling her there's a man and a woman in your
life that you need to distance yourself from. You're really
close to these people, but they don't have your best
interest in mind. And what I think happened is that
she found out that Beverly had a brother and sister
that she was close with, and so she was kind.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Of trying to push her away from them, trying to.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Push her away from them, and then was like setting
the scene for her to kind of just disappear, distance
herself so she could take over her identity.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Fucking crazy, dude, Like, you have to be so conniving
to think of a scheme like this, right.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
A couple of days before Beverly was found, she had
also called into her job, but she didn't do it
through like the normal way she would do it, and
her brother also said she rarely called in unless she
was like sick as Hall. So she called in, talked
to the security desk instead of like her manager, and
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basically was like Hey, it's Bev. I'm not feeling well.
I'm not going to make it in. She had also
talked to the mortgage department at the bank and had
asked them how she would go about kind of selling
her condo back to the bank, and her brother was like,
there's no way in hell she would have done this
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of her own volition. She was stoked about that condo,
Oh my god, and like really saved up and worked
hard to get her own place. So wild. The other
thing was that she didn't really want a roommate. She
had also had a roommate who they kind of butted
heads and ended badly. So it was just like kind
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of a last ditch effort for her to be able
to keep her place. She just needed a little help
getting her feet under her. Oh yeah. Her coworkers too,
like were alerted to this, and so they tried calling her.
The answering machine picked up. They left an answering machine
and Heybev, just worried about you. You weren't into day,
call us back, and like the third time I think
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they tried to call her, the answering machine didn't pick up.
It was just and the phone was said to be disconnected.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So there's yeah, oh my god, dude, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And then the following day, right the following day, she
was found her credit card before it was canceled, there
were charges to like a nice mall in.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And when they went to go question
the clerks at these stores or the salespeople at these stores,
they said that a well dressed woman had come in
with kind of a shitty black Cleopatra esque wig that
she would get at like a fucking party store. Yeah,
and it also they also one of them had said
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they thought it was a man dressed as a woman
trying to like disguise themselves. Another person said that they
thought it was a woman that was trying to discuss
herself as a man, but I was wearing the leg
really fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What if there's one thing I feel like I can
say about this Elaine person is that she sucks at
the art of disguise.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, because think about the time she pretended to dress
as a man to get out of the quote unquote
a staane asylum that she was. But she looked like
shit then too. Yeah, she looked like haggard and just
like not fully committed. It sounds like the same thing's
happening here.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's like, I still want to look pretty, but I'm
going to pretend I'm a man. I'm not, but I'm
gonna pretend I'm a man pretending to be a woman,
pretending to be a man pretending to be a man.
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Captain another dude, exactly exactly so uh.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They also found that the credit card Beverly's credit card
had been used to purchase a ticket to London or
he Throw at Airport, and that credit card had also
once again at Heather Airport. There was a ping after
it had been canceled. At the Avis rent a car
and the person who had rented the car claimed that
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they were Beverly McGowan and they were wearing the shitty
black cleopatcha wig and.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What the hell? So she went to the shopping spree,
flew to London and then tried to rent a car and.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
When when when the attendant at Avis told her that
her card had been declined, She's like, oh, I must
have overdrafted, blah blah blah. Here's some cash and just
paid in cash, which I mean, I don't think there's
a lot to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't think so, probably because of tho bitch was
a debit card anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, you have to use a credit card just in case.
So they let her take the car. It's this little
tan car, and she is gone, and then the investigators
in Florida get ahold of the FBI, and the FBI
are trying to figure this shit out too. They're trying
to work with.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Because now it's international, right.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Now, they're trying to work with London. Uh, interpal, interpal.
I don't know what they would be called the coppers.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And oh yeah, what are they called.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's the Municipal Police Department of London. So they get
in contact with Avis. They asked for the description of
the person who had picked up the car under Beverly
mccowan's name. They let them know that they are it's
an open murder investigation and that they need all of
the information that they can get. So they give them
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the description of the shy, shitty clear patriwig and that
the person spoke with a British accent, and also that
there was a man with her.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Interesting, so she wasn't traveling alone. I have a question.
So she's in London now, right. Do you think londoners
could tell that her accent was fucking fake?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I'm sure, like they were listening to it. They're all, okay, sweetie.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We'll get into her background a little bit from London
because there's a little connect over here.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, so this bitch, wait, wait, I have more questions.
Number one, did she buy a ticket for the guy?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Wild so he bought it on way. And then my
other question, she brought like.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
An open ended ticket so she could fly out to
London on that day and then her return trip. She
could kind of choose when it was good to be
so just for one.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, just one ticket. He's with her though, And then
do you think that she was planning to run or
do you think that once she realized that that flower
tattoo thing was happening, she was like, oh shit, No.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
She bought a ticket. I don't know because they so
Barrelli's body was found and she was already in London.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh shit, So she did it and then Randa London.
Do you think it was her first kill?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm done asking questions, right, on.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He was never connected with any other murders, but the
fact that she did this and it was just so
seemingly easy for her to do it, and obviously she
had no remorse about it anyway. So this bitch is
in London, she hold on the FBI is talking to
(34:28):
or keeping keeping tabs with Avis, and they basically said,
when she calls back, if she drops off the car,
like let us know, like when does the car do back,
blah blah blah, and uh. Eleien ends up calling Avis
and being like, I need to extend the rent rental
on my car basically, and they're like, okay, cool, just
(34:48):
go into the nearest Avis and renew your your rental
for it or whatever. And she's like, okay, great, and
then she's talking to someone in the background and hear
the name Sam. Nothing ever comes from that name.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Wow, this guy just gets away Scott free.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
So Elaine had I guess a girlfriend in London at
one point, and so investigators when they were able to
track her down, she requested that her name remain anonymous
for obvious reasons. They had met in Fort Lauderdale when
Elaine was working as a realtor, and what they called
(35:30):
her is Miss X. So Miss X had actually flown
over or she was living in Florida going to school,
and she had been married. It was a marriage of convenience, basically,
the man like it allowed her to to like keep
her like lifestyle residency in Florida, so she was able
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to maintain like her immigrant status or whatever. And then
she Metane and they started like this affair, and quickly
Miss X started to realize that Elaene wasn't quite who
she said she was. She was often like scamming people
at bars when they would go out, and so basically
(36:19):
Elaine tells her that she'll stop blah blah blah. They
move back to London together, get an apartment and they
have like this honeymoon phase where everything is great and
they're really happy. But then the veil starts to kind
of slip and Elane starts to like just show like
this really dark, sinister side, and she can kind of
flip the switch on her sweetness and her fucking evilness,
(36:44):
Like in the matter of five seconds, she could be
like super lovy and like all over like you know,
very affectionate, and then the next minute she's fucking throwing
things or getting like physically violent with Miss x so
dark sid, yeah, very dark sighted. Miss x all So
recalls a time of where she would be talking to
Elaine and Elaine would be like, Oh, I'm just going
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to go to the cemetery, and Missex is like, why
are you going to the cemetery and she's like, oh,
I just want to look for names. And so she
was literally going to the cemetery they allege to find
people that had been dead with the same birth date
or around like the same age or some shit like that.
So she was looking for names that she could use
her aliases that she could use at the fucking graveyard,
(37:29):
and she would request their birth certificates and basically I
don't know how she fucking got away with it, but
she would request like a copy of the birth certificate
and then she was able to procure like a passport
or another idea. Oh my god, kind of fucking smart.
Kind of smart.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm saying this is like evil, evil genius kind of
level manipulation. M hmm. Now I feel like, with you know,
the advent of the World Wide Web in our online stuff,
I wonder if like if you tried to get what
I wonder what kind of security checks would be in
place if you were trying to get like a B
certificate of a dead person. And then also if we
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were trying to.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Use there's got to be so much more in place now.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right like the death certificate should come up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I would imagine you would think that they would be
in the same one in the same, But I don't
know if you're just like requesting a BER certificate and
then you're going into an office to do like a
DMB or something to go get an ID or a
Social Security Administration office, like I don't know if they
would have all those records on file if they didn't
file them. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Great question. If somebody knows that, let us know from
the nineties.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
How did this do something? Tell me.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think she was just very charming, so she was
able to manipulate people, including people that were working in
state offices. I guess so. And yeah, just kind of
like woe is me, Oh, like my boyfriend kicked me out,
blah blah blah, he took all my stuff and burned
it in a barrel. Like I don't fucking know, Like
you could make a you could spend a story she
spun a story about in the same asylum and got
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someone's fucking birth certificate. So she starts, so she takes
on a couple of different identities. She's actually fucking picked
up back in Miami Beach in nineteen ninety one, So
a year after she's gone flown numbers, like a year
after she's murdered Beverly and gone back to London, she's
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back in Miami Beach because apparently her and Miss X
broke up because Miss X was like, I'm sigure shit,
get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Did Miss X ever bring up the whole man situation.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, No, they've never identified him.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Fuck who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know? All right, So she is sleeping in
her car in a parking lot in Miami Beach, and
this officer gets a report that there is like a
weird car in this parking lot after hours, so he
goes and checks it out. He looks in the car,
sees that there's a woman sleeping in the car with
(39:58):
two dogs, her fucking Miss Sex's two dogs. She had
stolen the fucking dogs anyway, So she is sleeping in
the car with the two dogs. The officer knocks on
the window she wakes up, she gets out of the car.
She's cool, calm, collected, acting like nothing is wrong. He
goes and runs the plates on the car and finds
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that they do not belong to the car, so they
had been swapped from another car. He also finds that
the car itself was from lax and had been rented
from a car rental company there and had never been returned.
Oh and the name that is on the rental like
documentation is Charlie Cohen. So I remember from before it
(40:46):
said this is one of the first people that she
had really scammed to take the identity of. And so
she is brought in for questioning she has in the
car itself. The officer goes in finds three different identities
that she's going under. He doesn't I don't know. I
guess they don't put two and two together, but she
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is going She has a Laine parents name in there,
along with a birth certificate ID and like social Security card.
She has Sylvia and Hodgkins Hodgkinson which is a British
She is a British national, so she has a British
passport and the suckingd birth certificate and ID. And then
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she also is going under Charlie Cohen's name. So she
has Charlie Cohens like a copy of Charlie Cohen's certificate,
social Security card, and the cops like, okay, you're gonna
have to come with me. She goes into the jail,
she's able to post bail, and then they basically are like, well,
you're gonna have to come back to court because you
have you have this car. You never returned this rental car.
(41:51):
So she gets she leaves like they don't keep her,
they don't hold her, they don't question her for her
other aliases. They're in the car. I'll have the same picture,
mind you.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That's fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
So I don't see why that wouldn't have been brought
up her like red flag. But anyway, I'm so surprised
she didn't have Beverly's right Well, Beverly was murdered, so
I feel like if she had had that on her,
that would implicate her in the murder immediately.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh yeah, no doubt. But she did steal it.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
She didn't, she tried to. She's an idiot with that.
But so like a week or two later, Charlie Cohen
gets the summons like a subpoena to a like appear
in court for this fucking car. And she's like, what
the fuck. So she goes and she appears in court,
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and when the officer that had questioned and arrested Elaine
sees Charlie, he's like this is not the same woman,
and they're trying to like figure out what the fuck.
And Charlie's like, did she have red hair? And they're like, yeah,
she did have red hair. And she's like, I know
exactly who this is. Is like, I don't know her
actual name, but this is the name that she gave
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me and Tremont and they're like okay, and they look
up and Tremont, there's nothing. There's nothing on this woman.
So they're just like, Okay, she just fucking completely wow,
dude pulled the ball aver on everyone's eyes. Luckily, Charlie
is not held responsible for the fucking car obviously, but
she's just like, Okay, now this woman is. Now she's
(43:24):
using my identity to like steal cars and shit like
grand theft auto. Uh. She's like, fuck, okay. She'd also
taken out loans in Charlie's name and never paid him
back and shit like that too, or Charlie, did I know,
But then Elaine just seemingly vanishes again. Hmmm. She is
(43:48):
cited from nineteen ninety one to two thousands, so for
nine years there are different sightings of her around the globe.
She's seen in London, France, Germany, South Africa, Australia and
Israel and Turkey. So I guess she had also told
people that she was from South Africa, like some people
that had interacted with her thought that she was from
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South Africa. She spoke with a different accent for that.
She spoke French, she spoke a little Spanish, I believe,
And so she just had all of these different fucking names.
And she also like toyed with the police. At one
point within her poll, she had sent them a portrait
(44:33):
of herself coming out of a pool and you could
tell like it was her face, but like it was
named Piper. And then she had written a note that
said basically like You're never gonna find me, love your chameleon,
because America's most wanted had basically like dubbed her as
like this chameleon that could change identities and drop one
(44:56):
and pick up a new persona like no issue.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Oh my god, dude. She like literally was.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Like yeah, and it was like this fucking oil painting,
and she posts up a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Hold on, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I'one had a second painted. I picked a portrait of
her coming out of a pool. It's called the Piper.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Do you think she did first of all, do you
think she did it herself?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
It's not a very good painting. Maybe I have to
make myself like way way sexy.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I'm so sorry, but those titties touching her.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Billy button, I mean, mind you too when I get
out of the pool. I guess I don't know, but
I mean she's not ugly.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Oh I thought you met on hare i'malt. No, those
eyes are a little walk stupid. No, you're right, she's
actually quite pretty.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Any user, Okay, So she's toying with the police at
this point, basically, and they're looking to see where they
can like trace this painting back to and they can't
fucking figure it out. Blah blah blah. She ends up
in Panama City and she's helping out this older gentleman
(46:28):
and a report comes in that she's been spotted. After
the airing of the America's Most Wanted episode, where they
dub her at the Chameleon Airs, someone sees her with
this old man and calls it in. They're at a
fucking cracker barrel or some shit accurate, and as like
(46:50):
as they're coming out, a detective that had been called
to the scene stops them and kind of questions them.
The old man is like a war veteran, he is
seems very pleasant, and she shows them his ID. The
woman that's with him is like in her fifties at
this point, and for all intents and purposes, is you know,
(47:12):
being cooperative, but says, I don't have my ID on me.
So she gives them her name, Darlene, And so when
they go to run this information, the detective lets her
know there's no one by that name, like this doesn't
match up, and she's like, oh, well, shit, sorry, I
don't know what to tell you, Like I just don't
(47:34):
have my IDA on me. It's not in my car,
it's not on my person. And the man's like, this
is Darlene, Like she's been helping me around the house.
She cooks all my meals and like takes care of
the house for me. They're like okay, and so they
let her go. They can't hold her on anything.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Basically, but aren't they called there to see if she's okay.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
She's able to like convince the detective.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
That she's she's just Darlene.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Just Darlene. And the photo that he's been given of
her is very grainy and doesn't look like her, so
he's like, this isn't the same woman. Oh my god, okay, sir,
So April two thousand and two, so this is like
twelve years after the murder of Beverly. They go up
(48:18):
to this house. They knock on the door. An older
woman comes to the door and they ask for Darlene
Thompson and she's like, oh, yeah, she's my roommate. She's
sleeping in the back room. Let me go grab her.
Darlene comes to the door, or Elane Darlene Orlane Darlne. Darlne.
Darlene comes at the door, and she looks she's like
(48:42):
kind of irritated, but she gives the officers an ID,
a military ID, and she tells them like they basically
tell her like, we're going to need you to come
down to the station. We need to question you. And
she's like okay, fine, whatever, and she like slams the
door locks it, and they're like red flag. She tells
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them I need to get dressed, like I'm wearing. She's
learning like a negligee or something. So she's wearing like
a fucking nighty. And it was like, I'm indecent. I
need to go get dressed real quick and then I'll
come with you. So they're waiting and waiting, put even
knock on the door and they're like Darlene, like we
need you to come now, and she's like, I'm getting dressed.
Like she yells at them, I'm getting dressed.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
I'll crutch the old bitch.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And so one of the detectives goes around to where
her room is at and can peek in the window
and sees that she's like rifling through stuff. They have
the other woman open the door, and before they can
get back to her room, a gunshot rings out. Elene
has shot herself in the chest, so in the heart
(49:50):
with the three fifty seven magnum caliber gun.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Oh my god, that cowardly.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I know, you know. So they're able to kind of
piece things together. They're looking around in her room. The
forensic analyst comes in. She's checking it out. They find
a bunch of different disguises, including one for an old man.
(50:19):
So they think she was like basically helping this guy
out to then assume his identity like she had done
with so many other people before. Oh my god. And
they find a bunch of different wigs and like fucking
theater makeup and all kinds of crazy shit, holy shit
due and a bunch of different passports and nights.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
She really, uh, she really moved past the old party
city Cleopasta. Holy I guess.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
I mean there was a picture in the documentary that
like showed like the what she had been using, and
I'll have to post a picture of that too, what
she was going to use for like her disguise, and
it was like a shitty, cheap, fucking like old man wig. Basically,
they go to this man's house to make sure he's okay,
and they get there and it's the house is dark,
(51:09):
so they like knock and they're just like fuck like
that she probably already fucking killed him and is like
about to take over his identity. And as they're going
back to the squad car, he comes out of the house.
Oh thinks around his truck, and it was like what's
going on? And feel like oh my god, thank god
you're alive. But yeah, so basically that's the case a
(51:31):
fucking alien parent. I think it just kind of goes
to show like don't give out your personal information. I
was just almost scammed through TMCC. Yeah, dude, my TMCC
email received like this job, like apply for this job
and you're quick from home and it's like a four
(51:53):
hundred dollars step in a week. And I was like,
that is too much money for TMCC to be giving
any student a week.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
So I those as well, huh three you and are
same thing? Really yeah, They're like, Hi, I'm a professor
at the school. I just wanted to send out this
and I was.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Like any interest in and I was like, shit, girl,
that'd be perfect. Yeah, almost got me. Then we started
texting and I was like this is weird, Like no
phone call, just straight to text, and it was like, oh,
what's your They didn't say like what. They like asked
me to deposit a check and they're like you have
to print it out and cut it up to be
like the size of a check and then sign it
and send it like do fucking no.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
No.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I was like, that is a scam.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
It is a scam.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
If it's too good to be true, nine times out
of ten it's too good to be true.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
This is a crazy world.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
So they never were able to link Alayne to any
of these other like they they think that she killed
other people and I took their identities, especially the Sylvia
Sylvia Ann Hodgkinson. But yeah, they were able to like
connect her directly. And I mean, she was never able
to be brought into to be questioned. So just like
(52:55):
this bitch, what a horrible little eagle person. Yeah, and
I feel like if you have that much fucking risman
and shit, like you should be able to get a
good fucking job.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, well, but don't want to work.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
She didn't want to work for anybody.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I wonder if she saw it as like a game
or something.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
I think so honestly do because she was able to
manipulate these people and it was just like fucking with
their heads.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah. Well, and you said that she came from like
an upper middle class family, so it's not like mommy
and daddy probably left her stuff when they died.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
And she probably went through it. I don't know, crazy,
it sounds like she had an appetite for finer things
in life. Not fine wigs, but everything else at least,
and like her makeup is on point.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
So that you're gonna say appetite for destruction. Well, thanks
for sharing this story. I've actually never heard of it before.
And this is kind of a fucking wild one.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
It is. It is a really wild one. And I'm
sure that there's so many other crimes like that are
connected to that haven't been connected to her just because
they weren't able to find a paper trail, because she
used all these fucking different aliases. Right, just so wild
to me, like she should have been.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Like given to her from what we can tell legitimately mild. Yeah,
it makes me want to like look up Elaine Antoinette
parent I saw on that card and be like death
in the eighteen hundreds of an Elaine Antoine parent?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Right, Well she so allegedly there was two different Elaine parents.
There was Elaine Antoinette and then there was Elaine Victoria parent.
Oh so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Just start if you're living out in London, it's time
to go start hitting those.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
It sounds like a very London name.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Huh, Cemetery's baby and.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Find yeah, any sort of record, Yeah, if you guys
have any other information on this, I know that there's
a couple of podcasts that I've done, this one. It's
very really fascinating. Uh, there's some there's just yeah, I
don't I don't even know where to start with this.
The four people that got fucking scammed. There's another part
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of it, like the documentary where it said that she
would go to like women's shelters, like and act like
she was an abused woman and then gain access to
people and trust because she was just this beaten and
battered woman and how could she hurt anyone? Oh my god,
she wouldn't even hurt a she.
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Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Scream and Sugar,
the true crime coffee hour podcast that dives into the
darker side of humanity while savoring a little sweetness on
the side. I am your host, Candice, and I am Sahara,
and today we're going to be talking about the chameleon
killer Elaine parent.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Nice. Okay, Oka.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Wo Hi, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh, lordy, lordy? Who's lordy? I'm okay. I have a
fucking headache right behind my left eyeball and it's really
fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I'm so sorry. It's like one of those light ones.
Maybe maybe, yeah, do you want to turn off these
Maybe that will help your vision.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
It feels a little bit nicer. I think part of
it is that I never wear these glasses. I always
wear my contacts, so uh, the pressure from like the
little armies, it's right up in your head, on your nose.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And I will say, when you turn slightly to the side,
I can see how thick they are, so they're probably pretty.
They're intense.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm blind. I'm blind as he blind.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Beautiful eyes can't see big.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Old, beautiful, beautiful eyes. I's not gonna know.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's what they say. About Elijah Wood that he has
like the most beautiful eyes, but he also can't see anything.
So it's like life, giveth take it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like, oh, they're going to be really pretty and
people are going to compliment you on them, but you
can't see out of them for seeing they're not functional.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, it's the best. How are you? How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Get? You know? Just busy, busy, busiest, busiest bee that
I've ever bissed. But it's on me because I'm also
terrible at time management, just really bad at it. So
so by the seat of my pants, I have one
hand grasping the buttthole, on the other hand just leaving
blinds waving on the wind.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It's just like, let's go this way.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Hand on my half exactly. That's how it feels beautiful. So, uh, today.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'm going to tell you all about Black Rock Dessert.
If you haven't heard about it, if you haven't been
in there yet, check it out. I went in there
like a couple weeks ago with my friend Richard, and
we ordered some tasty, delicious treats and then I started
talking to the person serving us, and he was like
(03:14):
part owner of the business. His name is Marlon. What's up, Marlon?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Marlon?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
And he started telling me this fucking crazy ass story
about like someone here in Reno that was murdered by
the mob and his body was never found, but they
had just like cordoned off a section of the river
and he thinks that maybe they finally found his remains.
So anyway, he's a really interesting guy to talk to you.
And I guess one of his friends does like the
(03:39):
Haunted Reno tours downtown, so we should go do that.
We should be really fun. Anyway. Black Rock Desert Delicious.
They make all their ice cream in house, and they've
got some really fucking goofy ass, weird ass, delicious ass treats.
So if you're a Reno check him out. Rock black
(04:01):
Rock Dessert. It's in Midtown.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That's her new jingle, black Crock is in Midtown. Cool
love it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, anyway, we can hop on into this one because
we've got limited timesise, Okay, let's go. So the sources
that I use for this story today include a murder
Pedia page on Elaine parent and also there is a
like three part docuseries on sun Dance about this case,
(04:37):
which is called The Hunt for the chameleon killer. Uh,
it's kind of a wild case. Like this lady was
all over the place and they'm not they're not even
sure her actual name was Elaen Parent.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's fascinating. I've actually never heard of this kids, so
I'm really excited. I was like to use chamellions to
kill people, Like.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
She poisoned the chameleons toes and then they would.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Stick them in people's mouths.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I feel kamelions are not very fast. You ever seeing them,
like like the the boys, and they're just like really
slowly grabbing the branch and like their eyes are going
all crazy. I thought maybe that's why they called her
the chameleon killer, because her eyes were like.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh that's fucking hilarious. Oh my god. I don't know
they were like the chamelion killers. She is she looking
on multiple places at once when I look north.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
When I look in East. Stupid. So very little known
about her early life as well. Elaen Parent was born
in the Bronx, New York on August fourth, nineteen forty two,
to like an upper middle class family, so she had
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pretty much everything she wanted. From a lot of accounts,
it says that her mom was like doted on her
and just supported her in every endeavor that she would
like undertake her dad kind of more distant, not really
in fifties, dad, exactly exactly. She gets her real estate
(06:06):
license or her realtor license in the seventies, and the
only way that they know that is that there's there
is a newspaper clipping that literally says realtor alien parent
and it has her sitting in like this chair showing
like or like interviewing with this journalist. That's so interesting, right,
and they've never found her birth certificate?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Wow, so what in the mob ask it's weird happening.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's weird already weird. She didn't really have a lot
of trouble like with the law, or at least there's
no record of it, okay, growing up.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, if they can't even find her birth certificate, I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
All right, right, I'm sure a record keeping back in
the diszay was not the best. Like there's a fire,
everything's fucking gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Sure, who knows no digital copies?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
If there's only the like you can send off for
a copy of your birth certificate too. So I'm wondering,
like how they weren't able to.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Maybe it was like a home birth something that's so interesting, Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Very interesting. She started taking on different personas in the
nineteen eighties. So she's down in Florida at this point,
and she's starting to run different scams like identity theft.
She uses fake names and stories to gain people's trust.
She also takes on like a British accent, and they
(07:33):
suspect that she used it. Used at least twenty different
aliases throughout her career, her criminal career.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Florida man, of course.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay, well she's I mean, she's from New York.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
But that's wild. So she's just a con man.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
She's just to the bone. She also uses this tactic
where she tells people that she is like a kind
of like a psychic medium and she knows how to
to tell people's futures by by numerology.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Oh I've met people like that, have you. Neurology is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's like, hopefully you haven't given them your social Security number?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Oh no, never, Oh my god, is that what she did?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes, that's so funny. She would like be casual about
it and be like at first, it would be like
little things like what's your birthday, what's your driver's license number?
And then it would be like other people related to them,
like what's their birthday and shit, and then she'd be like,
what's your bank Like you're rounding them an account number,
(08:37):
and I'm like, red fucking flag. But obviously, like back
in the eighties, people weren't as aware of identity theft
at the time, so so I mean, it wasn't like
they didn't think that she could do anything with it, right,
which I'm like, what the fuck? And she was very
charming by all accounts too, Like there is a woman
that she victimized early on at like it sounds like
(09:02):
it was a gay bar, and the documentary says it
was like a lady's bar, and then there's a men's
bar next door.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Elaine walks into this bar, sits down next to Charlie
Cohen and just starts chatting her up and tells her,
my name's Anne Tremont. I'm just waiting. She's speaking with
her British accent. She's well dressed, she's got like this
dark auburn hair and just knock out gorgeous. So she
starts chatting Charlie up. Yeah, no, not wonky eyes new
(09:35):
wonkey eyes, she says. She tells Charlie, Oh, I'm just
waiting for my brother. He's over at the Men's bar,
and so, you know, like I've got a little bit
of time to kill. She orders a beer, her and
Charlie start talking. She buys Charlie a beer, and then
she kicks in with the numerology shit, and Charlie goes
along with it and gives her like all of her information.
(09:56):
Charlie because she's like, I really liked her. They hit
it off, like the accent helps to Oh my god. Yeah,
well that was another thing that was brought up is
like most Americans think, like if you have a British accent,
you're considered Like in my mind too, if someone's speaking
to me and like a proper British accent, I'm automatically
(10:17):
gonna be like, oh, this classy bitch.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
We are so stressed, well brainwashed by the media.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Like to the nine, she's like dressed really nicely in
these designer clothes.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
So we just think, oh, yeah, you're rich, what are
you going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Like exactly, like you're not gonna need.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Charlie.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Charlie to her interview like she's just like this fucking
super laid back like old lady at this point. Now,
like she's wearing like a flannel and jeans, and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
She is Charlie who she is.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
She's just very salt of the earth type of person.
And just like was like, ok yeah, she got calmed hard.
But this isn't how their their interaction ends either. So
so Charlie is sitting there with Elaine or Anne, she's
calling herself, and then a man walks in and Elaine
is like, oh, that's my brother. I have to go.
(11:09):
She They exchange numbers and then Elaine leaves with this
man who's never identified.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Do you think it was like another con or like
a partner.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think they allegedly supposedly she did not act alone,
but they never were able to tie her to anyone else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Anyway, so they leave, Charlie's like, Okay, well she was
really nice. Didn't think anything was really gonna come of it.
But then Elaine calls her the next day and they
go to lunch and then they strike up this friendship.
They start spending a lot of time together and then
it kind of peters off for a week and Charlie
gets this call from Anne. Her voice sounds really shaky.
(11:52):
She is saying that there one of their aunts had
died and so her brother was had her committed to
an insane asylum to try and make sure that she
didn't have access to any of the money. Wow. Wow, yeah, Wow,
She's able to get out of the insane asylum quote unquote,
(12:17):
and she shows up on Charlie's door disheveled, and Charlie
says that it looked like she was trying to dress
like a man. She just looked really like from what
Alien told her, she had escaped by impersonating someone else, essentially,
and she just was really distraught, crying and just going
(12:37):
on and on and on about how she needed a
new identity and she needed it to go away from her
brother so he couldn't find her. And she was pleading
and begging with Charlie to give her access to her
birth certificate and a couple like I think it was
her birth certificate and her license, and basically she just
was like, I just needed to get a set of
(12:57):
documents to get me out of here and like to
provide me with a new identity.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So she basically said, I'm gonna steal your identity to
poor Charlie's face, and Charlie went, you poor thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well after a while, like she said no at first,
and she's like no, that something's off, like this is weird,
and then eventually she's finally like, okay, whatever, didn't hear
from Elaine again? She gets the letter in the mail
several months later with her birstipicate in it, and then
there's like a letter that says thank you so much,
(13:27):
and then there's like lipprints on the letter best and.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Essentially, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Dude, she doesn't hear a peer back until a little
bit later. And we'll get into that too. Oh that's
just like a little gloves sent to want interaction one
early interaction what an Elaine parent.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
An elaborate story, right, elaborate, right, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And it said that she kind of repeated the same
routine with a lot of people throughout the years, and
eventually we would get to July twentieth, nineteen ninety the
body of a woman is found in Pompano Beach, Florida.
It is missing its head in its hands and there
(14:19):
is a segment of the abdomen of the flesh of
the abdomen that has been cut away, and upon further inspection,
forensic analysts that are able to determine that there is
some tattoo ink. So they think that whoever murdered this
person was attempting to hide her identity or at least
make it very difficult.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Isn't that pretty common with like head and hand removal.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yes, yes, absolutely, becausdental records and fingerprints are too of
like the easy space to identify somebody, but.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
To make sure you get lots of tattoos them all.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It was totally thinking about this morning, and I was
like taking a shower. I was like looking and I
was like, it would be fucking so hard to get
rid of all my attacks. To guess what, I don't
think there's like my hands are the things that don't
have the tattoos. In my head, I mean I don't
have tattoos. It's like you get rid of those, Yeah,
(15:12):
but I have like forty fucking tattoos.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Also, I guess we'll get cut none that skinner that's
fucking gross. That's actually one of my nightmares. But yeah, okay,
I was thinking that last night, and.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I was just this morning and I was just like, girl,
what moral strain anyway, But what the murderer didn't realize
is that this woman had a small yellow rose tattoo
on her ankle, so there was another tattoo. So her
body was found with the jeans and a tank top
on the torso and then one sandal on one foot.
(15:47):
The man that found her was going fishing with his
niece on like one of these little canals and they
were trying to get minnows to help bait for like
other fish like. So what he thought on the bank
was like a bag of clothes or something that somebody
had dumped. Upon further inspection, he found that her decapita remains.
(16:08):
Oh my god, dud. And so this goes out like
on the news, the local news station there in Saint
Lucy County, and it's a really small community, so uh,
it's kind of shocking, like the community doesn't really see
these types of crimes happen a lot. And another woman
is watching this report sees they're not able to show
(16:32):
like the full picture of the remains, but sees the
small tattoo of the of the yellow rose and immediately
says to herself, that's my coworker. Beverly McGowan. Oh my god,
who had been m I A for like the last
three days. Oh no. So Beverly McGowan was a thirty
(16:53):
four year old bank clerk in Papano Beach, Florida. She
had literally just bought a condo and had two cats
and had gotten this job at a bank. Was really,
like by all accounts, really quiet and kind of kept
her herself, and they didn't You wouldn't really notice her
listening to something, is what her friend, like her coworker said.
(17:13):
She wouldn't realize that she was listening along to a
conversation until she like fucking equipped in with like a quick,
witty like comment about it, and they'd all fucking laugh.
And uh So, she was getting her life together, was
really happy about her condo, was really close with her
brother who lived like a mile or two away from her.
And so the coworker calls the brother and is like,
(17:39):
turn on the news. I'm pretty sure it's Beverally, because
they had been in contact with one another. He's like,
I'm pretty sure your sister's dead. He turns it on,
sees the news they talk about the yellow Rose tattoo,
and he's like, yeah, that's my sister, like he had
no doubt in his mind that she had been murdered.
Oh my god. The day before, he and his other
sister had both gotten handwritten notes from Beverly, allegedly basically
(18:05):
saying that she was selling the condo, she was leaving town,
and that she just needed to travel for a while
to kind of find herself not and to not to
try to contact her, that she needed some space and
when she got back she would be able to afford
everything and don't have to worry about money on a
(18:25):
day to day basis essentially. And it was signed goodbye BEV.
And did they like what did they recognize a hand
the handwriting? This said, it looked like Beverly's handwriting. But
she would never sign off with like a goodbye or anything.
She would just sign her like BEV. So so it
was suspicious. It was suspicious already her brother had gone
(18:47):
over to the house, had peeked in the windows and
seen that everything was in order, like it was tidy.
He used a spare key to get inside, saw that
a couple of things were missing, including like all like
her passport perthertificate, which I don't know why he would
know that where that was. Her handgun though, was a
three fifty seven magnum caliber handgun, and her answering machine.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Her answering machine was gone.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Her answering machine was gone.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh that's suspicious, somebody should and her.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Cats were gone.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, just so her car, her answering machine, cats, gun
or certificate, certificate everything, all that stuff. And he's like, okay, well,
if she did just leave, this is before they found
the body. If she did just leave, he's like, I'm
gonna cancel her credit cards and then at least that'll
piss her off en up to where she'll have to
talk to me and tell me what the fuck is
(19:39):
going on, obviously, and then he then the next day
they fined her body, so she had had no I
need to know what what did they find the kiddies? No,
I don't know howpen to the cats, and they never
found her head or hands either.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, well, those canals are like heavily infested with alligators.
So what they think happened is that the person that
murdered her had decapitated her and like took her hands,
like amputated her hands. At the site where she was dumped,
and then they had tried to throw her body into
the water so that crop like the al alligators would
(20:20):
eat them, eat it, and didn't get enough like inertia
to actually like throw her all the way into the water. Okay,
so she had ended up on the bank instead of
in the water, so they thought, they said, yeah, well,
I don't know if they maybe they didn't check or
they didn't want to climb down. I don't know how
(20:40):
steep it was. I don't know any of those details.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They tossed her from likely above, right, Okay, got.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It, which also makes me think that there's more than
one person me too. So anyway, there was a lot
of blood found by where her body was also found,
so that's what they alleged. They alleged that she was
decapitated and her hands are amputated at that site, and
then she was dumped but just didn't make it watter,
(21:07):
which I'm like, that's sloppy, but whatever, I'm glad that
they found her anyway.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I'm glad that person missed that tattoo, Like, thank
goodness for that, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Right, that's to you. Otherwise they probably would not have
been able to.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Not scream like somebody with mob ties or something, because.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
How really shitty job with the fucking decapitation. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I was just gonna say, like, how as an average person,
like before true crime was like out and about all
the time, Like, how would you even think to decapitate
somebody removed their hands and remove their tattoo.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
If they're watching enough. Forensic PCE just wanted.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Like, what year is this the eighties?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Right in her little the tattoo on her torso and
her tummy was Thumper from Bambi. Yeah, oh man, dude,
you know it's like that nties tattoo?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Wait is this the nineties at this point? Okay, okay, okay,
you're right, you're right, that kind of makes sense. Okay, continue,
But okay, So.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The forensic pathologist that was on the case too, that
like did the whole medical examination afterwards, found a tooth
because they didn't like get it between like the cervical vertebrae,
her lower jaws or her mandible was still sort of present.
They found one tooth and from gentle records they were
(22:27):
able to positively id her.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Wow, dude, how do you I have a lot of
questions same when cutting somebody's head off. You'd think that
you would aim very very intently at the neck because
I feel like that would be the least amount of resistance. Right,
they left half the mandible.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
There, part of it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
There was one tooth, so wow, dude, this poor woman.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I know they didn't. They weren't really able to determine
the cause of death either. What they think was that
(23:12):
she might have been shot in the head with the
three fifty seven, and another theory was that her throat
was split. But I feel like they would have been
able to determine that.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, especially if they if it was so high.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, but for the decapitation that they said that the
person that dismembered her used a chainsaw or something similar
to that effect. Oh, maybe that's why I wasn't a
clear cut. Yeah, they like maybe like a clean cut,
yeah exactly. But like if you're capable of decapitating and
dismember like dismembering somebody, like it's not super common in
(23:51):
like just like domestic dispute or murder stuff, but we've
seen it time and time again. Like I feel like
I brought up like three cases now or I've talked
about dismemberment.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, very it's surprisingly common, right, Do you think that
Bev was.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay? No? So she had had two boyfriends that had
died in car accidents, two different boyfriends, So she had
had a lot of trauma and she was kind of
she would date, but she would get like she would
start to get close to the person she was dating,
and then from the trauma, I think she was just like,
(24:26):
I can't get close to this person. So what did
end up surfacing is that Beverly had two jobs. She
was working at the bank and she was also working
part time at a good will trying to come up
with the mortgage payments for the condo, and was falling
(24:47):
a little bit short, Like she was really struggling to
keep up with that. So she started looking for a
roommate before all of this happened, and didn't have any
success with just like asking around, like she asked her
brother and sister if they knew anyone, she asked her
coworkers if they knew anyone looking for a room to rent,
and just didn't have any luck with it. So she,
(25:09):
against everyone's like please, decided to put an ad out
in the paper oh no, And so she basically advertised
it as two bedroom, two bath condo in Pompano Beach,
thirty four year old female plus two cats. And it
(25:32):
was basically like the rent was two hundred ninety dollars
a month and then we would split utilities, is what
the ad kind of was putting out there to everyone.
And someone responded that she was like, oh, perfect, this
is a perfect match. The woman's name was Alice, and
she had a British accent. She was allegedly working for
(25:56):
IBM and had been relocated by this company to Florida
from London and she was just looking for a temporary
place to stay until she kind of got her bearings
in the States.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh sounds nothing like Anne.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
She before had blonde hair, blue eyes, well dressed and
just like Beverly really liked her. She's like, well, we're
gonna get along really well. She's really classy. It seems
like we're going to have a fun time together.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Oh no, yeah, this poor girl, dude, I swear to God,
like bad people can just smell vulnerability. Oh yeah, absolutely,
that's so heartbreaking, dude.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For her, I'm a single woman.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, yeh, kiddies and.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Those cats hopefully they found them. But so, when Alice
responded to this, ad Beverly has started talking to her,
and she had told her coworkers that Alice was she
knew numerology and that so she was asked for her
social Security number and banking information, and that she was
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telling her there's a man and a woman in your
life that you need to distance yourself from. You're really
close to these people, but they don't have your best
interest in mind. And what I think happened is that
she found out that Beverly had a brother and sister
that she was close with, and so she was kind.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Of trying to push her away from them, trying to.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Push her away from them, and then was like setting
the scene for her to kind of just disappear, distance
herself so she could take over her identity.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Fucking crazy, dude, Like, you have to be so conniving
to think of a scheme like this, right.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
A couple of days before Beverly was found, she had
also called into her job, but she didn't do it
through like the normal way she would do it, and
her brother also said she rarely called in unless she
was like sick as Hall. So she called in, talked
to the security desk instead of like her manager, and
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basically was like Hey, it's Bev. I'm not feeling well.
I'm not going to make it in. She had also
talked to the mortgage department at the bank and had
asked them how she would go about kind of selling
her condo back to the bank, and her brother was like,
there's no way in hell she would have done this
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of her own volition. She was stoked about that condo,
Oh my god, and like really saved up and worked
hard to get her own place. So wild. The other
thing was that she didn't really want a roommate. She
had also had a roommate who they kind of butted
heads and ended badly. So it was just like kind
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of a last ditch effort for her to be able
to keep her place. She just needed a little help
getting her feet under her. Oh yeah. Her coworkers too,
like were alerted to this, and so they tried calling her.
The answering machine picked up. They left an answering machine
and Heybev, just worried about you. You weren't into day,
call us back, and like the third time I think
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they tried to call her, the answering machine didn't pick up.
It was just and the phone was said to be disconnected.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So there's yeah, oh my god, dude, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
And then the following day, right the following day, she
was found her credit card before it was canceled, there
were charges to like a nice mall in.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And when they went to go question
the clerks at these stores or the salespeople at these stores,
they said that a well dressed woman had come in
with kind of a shitty black Cleopatra esque wig that
she would get at like a fucking party store. Yeah,
and it also they also one of them had said
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they thought it was a man dressed as a woman
trying to like disguise themselves. Another person said that they
thought it was a woman that was trying to discuss
herself as a man, but I was wearing the leg
really fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What if there's one thing I feel like I can
say about this Elaine person is that she sucks at
the art of disguise.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
No, she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well, because think about the time she pretended to dress
as a man to get out of the quote unquote
a staane asylum that she was. But she looked like
shit then too. Yeah, she looked like haggard and just
like not fully committed. It sounds like the same thing's
happening here.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's like, I still want to look pretty, but I'm
going to pretend I'm a man. I'm not, but I'm
gonna pretend I'm a man pretending to be a woman,
pretending to be a man pretending to be a man.
I don't fucking know.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Captain another dude, exactly exactly so uh.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They also found that the credit card Beverly's credit card
had been used to purchase a ticket to London or
he Throw at Airport, and that credit card had also
once again at Heather Airport. There was a ping after
it had been canceled. At the Avis rent a car
and the person who had rented the car claimed that
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they were Beverly McGowan and they were wearing the shitty
black cleopatcha wig and.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What the hell? So she went to the shopping spree,
flew to London and then tried to rent a car and.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
When when when the attendant at Avis told her that
her card had been declined, She's like, oh, I must
have overdrafted, blah blah blah. Here's some cash and just
paid in cash, which I mean, I don't think there's
a lot to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't think so, probably because of tho bitch was
a debit card anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
No, you have to use a credit card just in case.
So they let her take the car. It's this little
tan car, and she is gone, and then the investigators
in Florida get ahold of the FBI, and the FBI
are trying to figure this shit out too. They're trying
to work with.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Because now it's international, right.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Now, they're trying to work with London. Uh, interpal, interpal.
I don't know what they would be called the coppers.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And oh yeah, what are they called.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's the Municipal Police Department of London. So they get
in contact with Avis. They asked for the description of
the person who had picked up the car under Beverly
mccowan's name. They let them know that they are it's
an open murder investigation and that they need all of
the information that they can get. So they give them
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the description of the shy, shitty clear patriwig and that
the person spoke with a British accent, and also that
there was a man with her.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Interesting, so she wasn't traveling alone. I have a question.
So she's in London now, right. Do you think londoners
could tell that her accent was fucking fake?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I'm sure, like they were listening to it. They're all, okay, sweetie.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
We'll get into her background a little bit from London
because there's a little connect over here.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay, so this bitch, wait, wait, I have more questions.
Number one, did she buy a ticket for the guy?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Wild so he bought it on way. And then my
other question, she brought like.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
An open ended ticket so she could fly out to
London on that day and then her return trip. She
could kind of choose when it was good to be
so just for one.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, just one ticket. He's with her though, And then
do you think that she was planning to run or
do you think that once she realized that that flower
tattoo thing was happening, she was like, oh shit, No.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
She bought a ticket. I don't know because they so
Barrelli's body was found and she was already in London.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Oh shit, So she did it and then Randa London.
Do you think it was her first kill?
Speaker 5 (33:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm done asking questions, right, on.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
He was never connected with any other murders, but the
fact that she did this and it was just so
seemingly easy for her to do it, and obviously she
had no remorse about it anyway. So this bitch is
in London, she hold on the FBI is talking to
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or keeping keeping tabs with Avis, and they basically said,
when she calls back, if she drops off the car,
like let us know, like when does the car do back,
blah blah blah, and uh. Eleien ends up calling Avis
and being like, I need to extend the rent rental
on my car basically, and they're like, okay, cool, just
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go into the nearest Avis and renew your your rental
for it or whatever. And she's like, okay, great, and
then she's talking to someone in the background and hear
the name Sam. Nothing ever comes from that name.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Wow, this guy just gets away Scott free.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
So Elaine had I guess a girlfriend in London at
one point, and so investigators when they were able to
track her down, she requested that her name remain anonymous
for obvious reasons. They had met in Fort Lauderdale when
Elaine was working as a realtor, and what they called
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her is Miss X. So Miss X had actually flown
over or she was living in Florida going to school,
and she had been married. It was a marriage of convenience, basically,
the man like it allowed her to to like keep
her like lifestyle residency in Florida, so she was able
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to maintain like her immigrant status or whatever. And then
she Metane and they started like this affair, and quickly
Miss X started to realize that Elaene wasn't quite who
she said she was. She was often like scamming people
at bars when they would go out, and so basically
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Elaine tells her that she'll stop blah blah blah. They
move back to London together, get an apartment and they
have like this honeymoon phase where everything is great and
they're really happy. But then the veil starts to kind
of slip and Elane starts to like just show like
this really dark, sinister side, and she can kind of
flip the switch on her sweetness and her fucking evilness,
(36:44):
Like in the matter of five seconds, she could be
like super lovy and like all over like you know,
very affectionate, and then the next minute she's fucking throwing
things or getting like physically violent with Miss x so
dark sid, yeah, very dark sighted. Miss x all So
recalls a time of where she would be talking to
Elaine and Elaine would be like, Oh, I'm just going
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to go to the cemetery, and Missex is like, why
are you going to the cemetery and she's like, oh,
I just want to look for names. And so she
was literally going to the cemetery they allege to find
people that had been dead with the same birth date
or around like the same age or some shit like that.
So she was looking for names that she could use
her aliases that she could use at the fucking graveyard,
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and she would request their birth certificates and basically I
don't know how she fucking got away with it, but
she would request like a copy of the birth certificate
and then she was able to procure like a passport
or another idea. Oh my god, kind of fucking smart.
Kind of smart.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm saying this is like evil, evil genius kind of
level manipulation. M hmm. Now I feel like, with you know,
the advent of the World Wide Web in our online stuff,
I wonder if like if you tried to get what
I wonder what kind of security checks would be in
place if you were trying to get like a B
certificate of a dead person. And then also if we
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were trying to.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Use there's got to be so much more in place now.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right like the death certificate should come up.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I would imagine you would think that they would be
in the same one in the same, But I don't
know if you're just like requesting a BER certificate and
then you're going into an office to do like a
DMB or something to go get an ID or a
Social Security Administration office, like I don't know if they
would have all those records on file if they didn't
file them. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Great question. If somebody knows that, let us know from
the nineties.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
How did this do something? Tell me.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think she was just very charming, so she was
able to manipulate people, including people that were working in
state offices. I guess so. And yeah, just kind of
like woe is me, Oh, like my boyfriend kicked me out,
blah blah blah, he took all my stuff and burned
it in a barrel. Like I don't fucking know, Like
you could make a you could spend a story she
spun a story about in the same asylum and got
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someone's fucking birth certificate. So she starts, so she takes
on a couple of different identities. She's actually fucking picked
up back in Miami Beach in nineteen ninety one, So
a year after she's gone flown numbers, like a year
after she's murdered Beverly and gone back to London, she's
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back in Miami Beach because apparently her and Miss X
broke up because Miss X was like, I'm sigure shit,
get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Did Miss X ever bring up the whole man situation.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, No, they've never identified him.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Fuck who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I don't know? All right, So she is sleeping in
her car in a parking lot in Miami Beach, and
this officer gets a report that there is like a
weird car in this parking lot after hours, so he
goes and checks it out. He looks in the car,
sees that there's a woman sleeping in the car with
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two dogs, her fucking Miss Sex's two dogs. She had
stolen the fucking dogs anyway, So she is sleeping in
the car with the two dogs. The officer knocks on
the window she wakes up, she gets out of the car.
She's cool, calm, collected, acting like nothing is wrong. He
goes and runs the plates on the car and finds
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that they do not belong to the car, so they
had been swapped from another car. He also finds that
the car itself was from lax and had been rented
from a car rental company there and had never been returned.
Oh and the name that is on the rental like
documentation is Charlie Cohen. So I remember from before it
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said this is one of the first people that she
had really scammed to take the identity of. And so
she is brought in for questioning she has in the
car itself. The officer goes in finds three different identities
that she's going under. He doesn't I don't know. I
guess they don't put two and two together, but she
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is going She has a Laine parents name in there,
along with a birth certificate ID and like social Security card.
She has Sylvia and Hodgkins Hodgkinson which is a British
She is a British national, so she has a British
passport and the suckingd birth certificate and ID. And then
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she also is going under Charlie Cohen's name. So she
has Charlie Cohens like a copy of Charlie Cohen's certificate,
social Security card, and the cops like, okay, you're gonna
have to come with me. She goes into the jail,
she's able to post bail, and then they basically are like, well,
you're gonna have to come back to court because you
have you have this car. You never returned this rental car.
(41:51):
So she gets she leaves like they don't keep her,
they don't hold her, they don't question her for her
other aliases. They're in the car. I'll have the same picture,
mind you.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That's fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
So I don't see why that wouldn't have been brought
up her like red flag. But anyway, I'm so surprised
she didn't have Beverly's right Well, Beverly was murdered, so
I feel like if she had had that on her,
that would implicate her in the murder immediately.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh yeah, no doubt. But she did steal it.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
She didn't, she tried to. She's an idiot with that.
But so like a week or two later, Charlie Cohen
gets the summons like a subpoena to a like appear
in court for this fucking car. And she's like, what
the fuck. So she goes and she appears in court,
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and when the officer that had questioned and arrested Elaine
sees Charlie, he's like this is not the same woman,
and they're trying to like figure out what the fuck.
And Charlie's like, did she have red hair? And they're like, yeah,
she did have red hair. And she's like, I know
exactly who this is. Is like, I don't know her
actual name, but this is the name that she gave
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me and Tremont and they're like okay, and they look
up and Tremont, there's nothing. There's nothing on this woman.
So they're just like, Okay, she just fucking completely wow,
dude pulled the ball aver on everyone's eyes. Luckily, Charlie
is not held responsible for the fucking car obviously, but
she's just like, Okay, now this woman is. Now she's
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using my identity to like steal cars and shit like
grand theft auto. Uh. She's like, fuck, okay. She'd also
taken out loans in Charlie's name and never paid him
back and shit like that too, or Charlie, did I know,
But then Elaine just seemingly vanishes again. Hmmm. She is
(43:48):
cited from nineteen ninety one to two thousands, so for
nine years there are different sightings of her around the globe.
She's seen in London, France, Germany, South Africa, Australia and
Israel and Turkey. So I guess she had also told
people that she was from South Africa, like some people
that had interacted with her thought that she was from
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South Africa. She spoke with a different accent for that.
She spoke French, she spoke a little Spanish, I believe,
And so she just had all of these different fucking names.
And she also like toyed with the police. At one
point within her poll, she had sent them a portrait
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of herself coming out of a pool and you could
tell like it was her face, but like it was
named Piper. And then she had written a note that
said basically like You're never gonna find me, love your chameleon,
because America's most wanted had basically like dubbed her as
like this chameleon that could change identities and drop one
(44:56):
and pick up a new persona like no issue.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Oh my god, dude. She like literally was.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Like yeah, and it was like this fucking oil painting,
and she posts up a picture of it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Hold on, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I'one had a second painted. I picked a portrait of
her coming out of a pool. It's called the Piper.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Do you think she did first of all, do you
think she did it herself?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
It's not a very good painting. Maybe I have to
make myself like way way sexy.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I'm so sorry, but those titties touching her.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Billy button, I mean, mind you too when I get
out of the pool. I guess I don't know, but
I mean she's not ugly.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Oh I thought you met on hare i'malt. No, those
eyes are a little walk stupid. No, you're right, she's
actually quite pretty.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Any user, Okay, So she's toying with the police at
this point, basically, and they're looking to see where they
can like trace this painting back to and they can't
fucking figure it out. Blah blah blah. She ends up
in Panama City and she's helping out this older gentleman
(46:28):
and a report comes in that she's been spotted. After
the airing of the America's Most Wanted episode, where they
dub her at the Chameleon Airs, someone sees her with
this old man and calls it in. They're at a
fucking cracker barrel or some shit accurate, and as like
(46:50):
as they're coming out, a detective that had been called
to the scene stops them and kind of questions them.
The old man is like a war veteran, he is
seems very pleasant, and she shows them his ID. The
woman that's with him is like in her fifties at
this point, and for all intents and purposes, is you know,
(47:12):
being cooperative, but says, I don't have my ID on me.
So she gives them her name, Darlene, And so when
they go to run this information, the detective lets her
know there's no one by that name, like this doesn't
match up, and she's like, oh, well, shit, sorry, I
don't know what to tell you, Like I just don't
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have my IDA on me. It's not in my car,
it's not on my person. And the man's like, this
is Darlene, Like she's been helping me around the house.
She cooks all my meals and like takes care of
the house for me. They're like okay, and so they
let her go. They can't hold her on anything.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Basically, but aren't they called there to see if she's okay.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
She's able to like convince the detective.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
That she's she's just Darlene.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Just Darlene. And the photo that he's been given of
her is very grainy and doesn't look like her, so
he's like, this isn't the same woman. Oh my god, okay, sir,
So April two thousand and two, so this is like
twelve years after the murder of Beverly. They go up
(48:18):
to this house. They knock on the door. An older
woman comes to the door and they ask for Darlene
Thompson and she's like, oh, yeah, she's my roommate. She's
sleeping in the back room. Let me go grab her.
Darlene comes to the door, or Elane Darlene Orlane Darlne. Darlne.
Darlene comes at the door, and she looks she's like
(48:42):
kind of irritated, but she gives the officers an ID,
a military ID, and she tells them like they basically
tell her like, we're going to need you to come
down to the station. We need to question you. And
she's like okay, fine, whatever, and she like slams the
door locks it, and they're like red flag. She tells
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them I need to get dressed, like I'm wearing. She's
learning like a negligee or something. So she's wearing like
a fucking nighty. And it was like, I'm indecent. I
need to go get dressed real quick and then I'll
come with you. So they're waiting and waiting, put even
knock on the door and they're like Darlene, like we
need you to come now, and she's like, I'm getting dressed.
Like she yells at them, I'm getting dressed.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
I'll crutch the old bitch.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
And so one of the detectives goes around to where
her room is at and can peek in the window
and sees that she's like rifling through stuff. They have
the other woman open the door, and before they can
get back to her room, a gunshot rings out. Elene
has shot herself in the chest, so in the heart
(49:50):
with the three fifty seven magnum caliber gun.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Oh my god, that cowardly.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
I know, you know. So they're able to kind of
piece things together. They're looking around in her room. The
forensic analyst comes in. She's checking it out. They find
a bunch of different disguises, including one for an old man.
(50:19):
So they think she was like basically helping this guy
out to then assume his identity like she had done
with so many other people before. Oh my god. And
they find a bunch of different wigs and like fucking
theater makeup and all kinds of crazy shit, holy shit
due and a bunch of different passports and nights.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
She really, uh, she really moved past the old party
city Cleopasta. Holy I guess.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
I mean there was a picture in the documentary that
like showed like the what she had been using, and
I'll have to post a picture of that too, what
she was going to use for like her disguise, and
it was like a shitty, cheap, fucking like old man wig. Basically,
they go to this man's house to make sure he's okay,
and they get there and it's the house is dark,
(51:09):
so they like knock and they're just like fuck like
that she probably already fucking killed him and is like
about to take over his identity. And as they're going
back to the squad car, he comes out of the house.
Oh thinks around his truck, and it was like what's
going on? And feel like oh my god, thank god
you're alive. But yeah, so basically that's the case a
(51:31):
fucking alien parent. I think it just kind of goes
to show like don't give out your personal information. I
was just almost scammed through TMCC. Yeah, dude, my TMCC
email received like this job, like apply for this job
and you're quick from home and it's like a four
(51:53):
hundred dollars step in a week. And I was like,
that is too much money for TMCC to be giving
any student a week.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
So I those as well, huh three you and are
same thing? Really yeah, They're like, Hi, I'm a professor
at the school. I just wanted to send out this
and I was.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Like any interest in and I was like, shit, girl,
that'd be perfect. Yeah, almost got me. Then we started
texting and I was like this is weird, Like no
phone call, just straight to text, and it was like, oh,
what's your They didn't say like what. They like asked
me to deposit a check and they're like you have
to print it out and cut it up to be
like the size of a check and then sign it
and send it like do fucking no.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
No.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I was like, that is a scam.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
It is a scam.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
If it's too good to be true, nine times out
of ten it's too good to be true.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
This is a crazy world.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
So they never were able to link Alayne to any
of these other like they they think that she killed
other people and I took their identities, especially the Sylvia
Sylvia Ann Hodgkinson. But yeah, they were able to like
connect her directly. And I mean, she was never able
to be brought into to be questioned. So just like
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this bitch, what a horrible little eagle person. Yeah, and
I feel like if you have that much fucking risman
and shit, like you should be able to get a
good fucking job.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, well, but don't want to work.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
She didn't want to work for anybody.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I wonder if she saw it as like a game
or something.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
I think so honestly do because she was able to
manipulate these people and it was just like fucking with
their heads.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah. Well, and you said that she came from like
an upper middle class family, so it's not like mommy
and daddy probably left her stuff when they died.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
And she probably went through it. I don't know, crazy,
it sounds like she had an appetite for finer things
in life. Not fine wigs, but everything else at least,
and like her makeup is on point.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
So that you're gonna say appetite for destruction. Well, thanks
for sharing this story. I've actually never heard of it before.
And this is kind of a fucking wild one.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
It is. It is a really wild one. And I'm
sure that there's so many other crimes like that are
connected to that haven't been connected to her just because
they weren't able to find a paper trail, because she
used all these fucking different aliases. Right, just so wild
to me, like she should have been.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Like given to her from what we can tell legitimately mild. Yeah,
it makes me want to like look up Elaine Antoinette
parent I saw on that card and be like death
in the eighteen hundreds of an Elaine Antoine parent?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Right, Well she so allegedly there was two different Elaine parents.
There was Elaine Antoinette and then there was Elaine Victoria parent.
Oh so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Just start if you're living out in London, it's time
to go start hitting those.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
It sounds like a very London name.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Huh, Cemetery's baby and.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Find yeah, any sort of record, Yeah, if you guys
have any other information on this, I know that there's
a couple of podcasts that I've done, this one. It's
very really fascinating. Uh, there's some there's just yeah, I
don't I don't even know where to start with this.
The four people that got fucking scammed. There's another part
(54:54):
of it, like the documentary where it said that she
would go to like women's shelters, like and act like
she was an abused woman and then gain access to
people and trust because she was just this beaten and
battered woman and how could she hurt anyone? Oh my god,
she wouldn't even hurt a she.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
Would just pray on the most vulnerable. What a bitch
exactly once we have Dorothy Dorothya of p Yeah, exactly,
evil exactly evil women.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
So anyway, thanks for hanging out with us, guys. If
you have any case corrections or suggestions, recipe suggestions, or
if you just want to chat us up, hit us up, babies.
Oh we have merch now too.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Oh yeah, we have merch. It's pretty much ready to
go by the time you hear this.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
So we adjusted some prices and yeah, so check us out.
We're on Prinifi. Now we'll post up another little linky
pooh to that, and yeah, tell us what you think.
If there's anything that you guys want made, let us
know and we'll try to make it happen.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Absolutely, But until next time, we gotta tell you our
things are gonna pluver things. So if you got any
of those directions coffee shops or otherwise, you can hit
us up on the old Instagram.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Scream dot and Dot Sugar dot.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Podcast on Facebook.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Scream and Sugar, True Crime, Coffee Hour, tickatok Scream dot
and Dot Sugar, or email us at Screammansugar Reno at
gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
That's right, it is, And until next time, stay spooky bye.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
Eye contact always makes me nervous, and so I don't
want to like gay direct eye contact.
Speaker 1 (57:22):
Like smetism part I say it right now, I'm
Speaker 2 (57:27):
Gonna suck it up again
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