August 14, 2025 • 64 mins
Welcome back, Spooky Squad, to another episode of Scream and Sugar, your true crime coffee hour. Grab onto your booty because this one's a doozy.
In September 2006, 16-year-old Cassie Jo Stoddart was housesitting for her aunt and uncle in Pocatello, Idaho—completely unaware that two of her classmates had sinister plans. What was supposed to be a quiet weekend turned into a real-life horror movie, inspired by their obsession with slasher films.
In this episode of Scream and Sugar, we dive deep into the events leading up to Cassie’s brutal murder, the chilling video footage left behind by her killers, and the trial that shocked a community. We’ll explore the twisted psychology behind the crime, how the investigation unfolded, and the lasting impact on Cassie’s loved ones.
Remember to stay spooky, and stay safe.
Case Notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOWWQ1NzyKk
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/scream-and-sugar-true-crime-coffee-hour--6015946/support.
In September 2006, 16-year-old Cassie Jo Stoddart was housesitting for her aunt and uncle in Pocatello, Idaho—completely unaware that two of her classmates had sinister plans. What was supposed to be a quiet weekend turned into a real-life horror movie, inspired by their obsession with slasher films.
In this episode of Scream and Sugar, we dive deep into the events leading up to Cassie’s brutal murder, the chilling video footage left behind by her killers, and the trial that shocked a community. We’ll explore the twisted psychology behind the crime, how the investigation unfolded, and the lasting impact on Cassie’s loved ones.
Remember to stay spooky, and stay safe.
Case Notes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOWWQ1NzyKk
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/scream-and-sugar-true-crime-coffee-hour--6015946/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Sarah, Hi Candace, How how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How art thou good?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
How goes?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm getting pretty good at suku?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's fun.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
It is fun.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't know if you want to keep track of cussing.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So last episode we started a spur jar so we
can get clean quote unquote episodes through Spotify, so that
they will actually run our ads on other platforms, on
other platforms, other podcasts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, they'll promote us and like put us into like
when you're listening through podcast episodes and sometimes they give
you a new one, they'll they'll do that. If our
episodes are clean.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
We will try that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So we're gonna do our best again today Baby Steps,
episode one hundred. We're gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Last week was eleven, so maybe if this week we
make it to Tenah, I think that's a good goal
for us.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I love that goal for us.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And I'm just gonna go ahead and point this out too.
I'm not we're not going to be reviewing anything this week.
I haven't had a time to get around to it.
So maybe next.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Episode, Yeah, send the stuff to review you guys, so
that we can try it out exactly, because clearly we
were lacking, lacking.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Also, it's been a week, and how it's been a week.
So with that in mind, I guess I'll just jump
into it because this one might be a little bit long.
There's a lot of information on this case and there's
also audio clips. Anyway, I'm going to take you on
downtown to Pocatello, Idaho. Okay. So the morning of September
(02:46):
twenty second, two thousand and six, which was a Friday,
sixteen year old Cassi Jo's daughter was at Pocatello High School.
One of her classmates comes by with a camcorder around
m and it was just like, oh, it's Cassie. And
then he kind of like pans around her and says
(03:07):
say hi. Cassie, say hi to the camera, I'm recording
you right now, and she says hi, like leave me
alone anyway, And.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I guess he was a creep.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He was a little bit of a creep. So for
the rest of the school day, Cassie went to all
of her classes. Nothing was abnormal for her. She left
school and was picked up by her mother, Anna, and
around five point thirty, Anna drove Cassie out to her
aunt and uncle's house, who she was going to be
(03:39):
house sitting for for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay cool.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Her aunt uncle had two dogs and two cats, so
what the deal kind of was was that they were
going to pay Cassie to come over take care of
the pet, stay at the house while they're out of town.
It was also said that Cassie was saving up to
buy a car, and she's sixteen, so she was like, sweet,
I'm gonna have this big house to myself. Get a
little extra more like, get a little extra money to
(04:05):
put towards a car, and this is a pretty sweet deal.
It's a beautiful house. She had talked to her aunt
and uncle about her boyfriend Matt Beckham, coming over and
just watching movies for a little while and then Matt
was going to go home, and they were totally fine
with that. So her and Matt, at around six o'clock,
(04:30):
they start hanging out, eating snacks, watching movies and you know,
just having some cute high school sweetheart time together, sitting
on the couch, you know, just chilling. At around nine o'clock,
(04:51):
these two other boys from their school show up, and
they're friends of Matt and Cassie's a little bit more
of Matt's friends. Their names are Brian Draper and Tory
Attam Chick, and Cassie was not expecting anyone else to
come over to the house. She had just agreed upon
matt being over there, and uh so this was kind
of odd and probably made her feel a little she
(05:14):
was uncomfortable. The boys persuade her to let them hang
out and watch a movie with them, and then they
keep trying to get her to invite more people over
and have a party while her aunt and uncle a
out of town, and she's just like vehemently up and down, like, no,
I'm watching this house for my aunt uncle. I'm going
(05:35):
to be responsible. You guys can stay for a movie,
but then you need to leave. And so they're like.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm good for her, you know, right, because I would
have been easily persuaded, right.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
She gives them a brief tour of the house, and
while this is happening, Brian Draper slips out of the
basement and unlocks a door leading from the backyard into
the basement.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
God.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So after this, they all kind of settle down in
the living room. They're having snacks. They're watching a movie,
Kill Bill Volume two, which is a great movie.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I remember when that one came.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Out and about halfway through the movie, so about an
hour into Brian and Torre showing up to the house,
they tell Cassie and Matt that they're bored and they've
likely already seen this movie, and so they're like, we're
gonna go to a theater and watch a different movie.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because they're like cenophiles, right, self.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Proclaimed movie buffs experts if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, there are those people on Rotten Tomatoes who have
the critics score. I never pay attention to the critics
score because it's never what I think.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The same same. I have completely different tastes of movies.
So anyways, they so they leave and Cassie and Matt
cozy backup on the couch, and about I want to say,
like fifteen twenty minutes later, the lights in the house
(07:07):
go off. All the electricity in the house goes off, pikes,
and they're both freaked out, obviously, but then the lights
come back on, so they're like, okay. Right before Matt
is about to head down to the breaker box and
check it out, the lights come back on and Matt's
(07:31):
mom is supposed to come over and pick him up.
In like thirty minutes, he calls his mom and tries
to see if he can stay at the house with
Cassie because she's freaked out, understandably, and his mom says, no,
there's no way in hell you're going to stay at
this house with the girl by yourselves. Yeah, at sixteen
years old. She says, if Cassie is really freaked out,
(07:53):
she can come stay with us and then we'll return
her in the morning so she can take care of
the pets, and she can hear Cassie in the background
saying no, no, like, I need to stay here. I
told my aunt and uncle I would stay at the night.
I need to keep to my responsibilities and my commitment.
(08:15):
So thirty minutes later, Matt's mom shows up and picks
him up, so he leaves, I guess. Shortly after that,
Matt calls Tory to see where him and Brian are at,
and it's basically like, I just left Cassie. I'm on
(08:36):
my way home. What are you guys doing. I still
want to hang out. They had made plans to hang
out after he had left Cassie and Tory's whispering on
the phone.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And because you like, I'm in the theater or something.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
When Matt questions why he's whispering. He says, Oh, I'm
in the theater. There's a bunch of people around, like
I can't talk, and we're not going to hang out
tonight basically, so I'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Rejected. Geez, I wonder why that could be.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I feel like you all know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So later that night, Matt calls to check in on
Cassie at around midnight and there's no answer, so he's like, oh,
maybe she just went to sleep, right. He stays up
with his dad watching movies until about three pm or
three am time three am, and then he passes out.
The next morning, he goes over and hangs out with Toy,
(09:33):
and he keeps trying to call Cassie to check in
on her and see how she's doing, and there's no
answer at the house. He asks Toy if they could
possibly drive over to the aunt and uncle's house to
check on her, and Tory tells him no, I don't
have enough gas for that. Sorry, Like, you'll see her tomorrow.
(09:57):
Stays the night at Tory's house night as well. Jeez.
That Sunday, at about like one pm in the afternoon,
Cassie's aunt and uncle and thirteen year old cousin get
back to the house and they walk in and her
(10:18):
thirteen year old cousin discovers, Oh god, Cassie's brutally murdered,
murdered body. So there was blood everywhere. And on the
nine one one call, you can hear her aunt saying,
I need an ambulance. There's a dead girl in my
living room and she's missing a finger.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's what her aunt says, A dead girl.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, that's what her aunt says, which is weird because
I mean, maybe she wasn't thinking that it was her niece, but.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's a crazy that's a that's a crazy call.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Right right when police show up, the cordon off the
area obviously, and then Cassie's mom is literally pulling up
to this crime scene to pick Cassie up and finds
out that her daughter has been brutally murdered.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh my god. So this was two days later, right
days later. That's crazy that her mom didn't try to
talk to her for two days.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, And that gets brought up a lot and it's like, well,
why didn't she reach out, And it's like, well, she
was basically if Cassie needed something, she would have called me,
so she wasn't thinking anything was wrong. She's just hanging
out at this house. You would think I would be
like checking with me in the morning and before you
would have bet or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Right, But okay, whatever, I mean, different parents do different
things exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Exactly. So as police are trying to piece this together,
they're not finding any evidence. They just there's a lot
of blood everywhere. They can tell it was a very
violent attack. The forensic investigator on the case finds that,
or the medical examiner finds that Cassie was stabbed total
of thirty five times, oh my gosh, and twelve of
(12:05):
those stab wounds were fatal. So they also discover from
the cut patterns in the tissue that one of the
knives was serrated and one of them was not. So
from the serrated knife, eleven of those fatal wounds were inflicted,
and from the nons rated only one of them was
(12:25):
inflicted by.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The knife serrated. Man just goes to show, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Twenty nine total. Sorry, I wrote a note while it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was twenty nine total actually based on my sticky note.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Based on the my sticky note, So that's crazy. All
the other, yeah, stab twenty nine times, which would indicate
two investigators that it was personal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And passionate and overkill and overkill.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So the only evidence that police kind of find as
they're piecing this together, they bring in mas. He's the
last person that's known to be with her. Anna, Cassie's mom,
almost immediately upon finding her daughter has been murdered, calls
Matt and is like, what have you done? Oh no,
(13:14):
she thought it was him, So he's suspect number one. Especially, yeah,
and I mean, yeah, exactly, And we said overkill, passionate, personal.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I can see why she would think that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Especially stabbing is a very personal way to kill somebody.
So they the police go and pick up Matt and
they bring him in for questioning, and he when he's
told that Cassie's been murdered, his girlfriend's been murdered, The
police say he's acting very like Mulaise, like he doesn't
(13:51):
have a lot of emotion about it, and they're kind
of expecting him to be like, you know, shooken up
about it, and he's just kind.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Of blank faced, like shocks maybe shock.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He also there's audio of him in the interrogation room
talking about how there had been a lot of death
in his life recently, so he had had like an
uncle die and Cassie's dad had also died recently, and
there was like just a lot of people that had
been dying around him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Grandma, oh her poor mother. Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know. So they're like, Okay, they don't think that
it explains it. But also he's also sixteen, so I
don't know that you're going to react.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Well, so far as I can tell, there's no like
one way people react.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
No, And that's that's also true.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like people handle grief so differently.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Very much, And I would almost feel like if he
did do it, he might be over exaggerating it, like
we've see in a lot of cases where the perpetrator
is like, oh my god, how overacting. Yeah, so he
tells them about the lights flickering on and off, and
they're like okay, interesting, And Matt also mentions like they
(15:05):
looked out into the neighborhood and like the nearest house
is about half mile away, but no one else's powers out.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So they're like, Okay, maybe we need to take a
look at the breaker box. So they go into the
house and find the breaker box and there are some
discernible prints that they can see just from the naked eye.
They're able to lift those and they are a match
to Cassie's mom's boyfriend. Oh well, but when they question
(15:39):
Anna's boyfriend, he tells them I'm an electrician and hired
him or yeah, they had paid him, like under the
table or whatever to come over and kind of figure
shit out. So he was working on the on the
breaker box that was twice already, damn it, three times.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I can't get in. You were doing so good for
so long.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So he has a completely rock solid alibi as well.
He was next door to Ann in his house with
the neighbor playing video games all night, and they corroborate
this alibi for him, so they roll him out. And
so they're trying to figure this out. They're like, is
it just some random drifter.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That's a crazy lead though that didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Right, Is this some random drifter? Is it? You know,
there's some people were speculating that it was a gang gangs.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And there was no sign of forced entry.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right, there was no sign of forced entry.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
My immediate assumption is she knew the person.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Exactly, and so that's where they kind of land On,
like she must have known whoever this was. There's two
different types of stab wounds, so there's likely two assailants traders. Yeah,
And so Matt when they questioned him again, he's like,
they're like, you're the only one that saw her that night?
(17:07):
What happened? And he's like, well, I wasn't the only one.
And then he brings up that his friends Brian and
Tory had come over around nine, but they had left
after an hour and gone to the movies.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So the police are all prove it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, they're like, riddle me this batman, to.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Me this map man, what movie was it?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Huh uh huh. So this leads investigators to Brian and Tory,
who when brought in or questioned out their house. So
they questioned them out their house first. They just go
to the door and kind of question them with their parents,
mind you, their miner Still they're both sixteen as well,
so Brian is a little bit more willing to talk
(17:56):
and give give them his alibi. Tory and his parents
are not as easy to get a hold of and
not as willing to cooperate. So when they bring in Brian,
he initially tells them, no, I didn't see Cassie. That night,
I went to a movie and went and saw the
(18:18):
movie A Pulse, which I don't know if you remember
that movie.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But it's terrible. It's a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, he's like, no, no, no. Tori and I were
hanging out and we went to the movies, and so
the investigators are going back and forth with them, and
they're just poking holes in his alibi. They're like, oh,
what was the movie about? And he's like, oh, I
don't remember. I wasn't paying attention. It was boring. And
(18:45):
they're like, okay, do you remember any of the previews,
like any of the coming attractions And he's like, no,
well what was the movie about? Who was in the
movie And he's just like, I don't know. It wasn't
anyone original and he says it was kind of like
White Noise, which why not.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That one? I do remember?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yes, So I'll have to show you the trailer for
Pulse after this, because.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's maybe we'll let you guys listen.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
To It's real early two thousands. I know the Internet
and you know they have.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Dial ups, hackers. I'm in not a way.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We've come crazy. And then then all of a sudden,
Brian is like, well, I told you that there was
(19:49):
a girl sitting next to me, and there was two
girls sitting next to me. I was talking with them
and they're like, well, what did she look like? And
he's like, well, she was attractive obviously, and he just
like goes on to describe her. She was wearing tight
jeans and had brown hair, very generic. Her name is
Heather and I think she went to Highland High School,
not poke Tub at high school. And they're just like, bro,
(20:14):
okay whatever. They bring him back in the pre the
next day to kind of question him again about it,
to see how many more holes they can pokemed his alley.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, it's even changes too, I bet uh huh.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And so they're questioning him about the movie again. He
still can't tell them anything about it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You think he would have gone home, like recal.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
What time did you get there and were you guys
hanging out in the lobby And he's like no, me
and Tory were hanging out in the bathroom talking and
they're like well okay, and he's like, well we got
there at nine fifty and then we went and sat down.
They're like, no, you didn't like they won't let you
in the movie, which they will. I don't understand why
he was saying. The officer was saying that they won't
(20:57):
let you sit down in the theater ten minutes before.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Maybe he was trying to like see if he would flow.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, flip it. So then he was like, oh,
we were in the lobby. We were hanging out the
bathroom talking about stuff, and then we went and sat down,
and like he's like, goes on, oh yeah, maybe there
was a movie beforehand and we had to wait until
they empty the theater or something. I don't remember. So
it's like, no one saw you at the theater. We
went down to the theater, we questioned people, and then
(21:24):
he's like, we actually went and watched the movie yesterday.
The officer, yeah, officers like, we went and watched Pulse yesterday,
so tell us what it was about.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because I can remember it. Why can't you?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah? Crazy, that's crazy. He's gonna like he was like
how long were you in the theater for? And Brian's
like about two hours And he was like okay, then,
how how do you not know anything about this movie? Right?
How come no one saw you at the theater? How
come the the ticket attendant doesn't remember seeing you, and
she goes to school with you, like she knows you
(21:55):
and Tori by name, and he's just like, okay, we
didn't go at the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He emitted it right. Then he's like fine.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, they're like be straight with us, like you've already lied,
like we know you're lying, blah blah blah, and uh,
they're like, so just be straight with us, like you're
just digging yourself a hole. Did I tuss again? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Wow, you're doing good girl.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Eh. He's like, okay, I didn't want to tell you
guys this because I didn't want to get in trouble.
But Torry and I were going through cars and they're
like what does that mean? What does that mean? He's like,
we were finding that we're unlocked and rummaging through them
and stealing stuff. And they're like okay, so you're burglarizing
cars and he's yeah, and my friend told me or
(22:42):
I heart my friend said something about like you can
get ten years in prison for doing that, and he
was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's like such a common criminal thing, like to admit
to a larger crime.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, so they know that they've gotten at this point,
and they're like, so if we go in this what
neighborhood was it? And then they catch him because he
says that they drive by a Tory's house and then
he says something about then we parked outside of her house,
and they're like, whose house? What do you mean her house?
(23:17):
And he's like, Cassie's house. Mmmm, buddy, And then they
placed them out the scene of the crime, and so
they're like, so a neighbor says that they saw you
guys going into the house at around nine o'clock, you
guys left, and then the same car came back like
(23:39):
ten minutes later, read Geo Metro, and two teenagers matching
your description were dressed in black clothes and approached the house.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Damn, I didn't really have a witness minutes later.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And then Brian just kind of fucking crumbles. So they
keep whittling him down and they try to make it
seem like easier, like Brian's not responsible, but they're like yeah,
they're like, bro, like you Cassie was brutally murdered and
(24:17):
you know something about it, and you need to tell
us what happened to your friend, your close friend. Is
what you told us in your first interview, and he
he's a simp, so he goes straight. He just goes
straight into it and tries to say that they were
just supposed to scare Cassie that night. They were supposed
(24:38):
to scare her and it was all about, you know,
going over and scaring the crap out of her and
then they were going to leave, and that's what Brian
thought they were doing. And Tory just all of a
sudden started stabbing Cassie.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That's so crazy. And then he put that knife down,
he picked up a different one.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, exactly. Well, no, he says that Tory started stabbing Cassie.
She's screaming, there's blood everywhere. And then Tory was like,
you have to make sure she's dead. You have to
stab her too, And so Brian goes along with it.
And what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Everybody's mom says, if your friend jumped off a bridge, would.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You if there's water underneath? Maybe I is a bridge?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Your friends starts stabbing your other friend?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do you just right?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And so yeah, they're just don't even have the night.
It doesn't track, it doesn't so savy. But now he's like, yeah,
well we he tells them how they went back into
Torri's car, how they dressed in all black. They had
these white masks that they had put fake blood all over,
like to make it look like it was dripping down
fake like real blood, and then they both grab knives.
(25:49):
But that was just supposed to be for theatrics, because
they wanted to make a horror movie. And that's what
Brian thought that they were doing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And that's why he had recorded her that morning.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And so they bring him back in for questioning again
and he tells them about where they hid all of
the evidence and drives them out to Black Rock Canyon,
where he finds where they buried the knives, the clothes
that they were wearing, the masks, and a video cassette.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They videotaped it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They videotaped not her murder, luckily, but oh my God,
and a video cassette, which was something that they He
had not told the investigators. I think maybe he thought
it would be destroyed enough, because they did after the
murder go to a convenience store and buy peroxide and matches.
I don't know how flammable peroxide is, but I think
(26:47):
maybe they thought that they could get rid of some
of the evidence or yeah, they tried to light everything
on fire and luckily.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Which is crazy because isn't like the film inside of
VHS tapes. Really it's very able.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So they bring back this cassette tape and they're able
to fix it. And there's thirty minutes of recovered footage
that you can find on YouTube if you want to
look it up. I know I'm going to. They're gonna
sprinkle some audio clips in here, but the first part
(27:25):
of this tape is just them talking about how much
they want to kill somebody. And Brian was obsessed with
the Columbine shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
In sales before in Cells Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Had even made an entire website dedicated to the Columbine
shooting and at the bottom of the page it says
more to come, yikes, or more victims to come. And
he had also in middle school he had threatened to
shoot up a school dance, and I guess there had
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been reports of this that had gone to the principal's
office and people were like, had him on a phone
recording talking about shooting up the next school dance, and
he had been at the one prior. He had acted
like he was shooting people and said next time, it's
going to be for real or something like that, and
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they did nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh my gosh. Anyway, so he was obsessed with the
comb management.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He was obsessed with the Columbine shooting. Tori was obsessed
with horror movies and specifically the movie Scream And so
this is kind of where this case gets that name from.
There is a recording of them talking about how they're
going to do it. They had a death list of
over nine different victims that they had actually been following
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and trying to figure out when they're going to be
home alone so that they could go and start like
a serial killing essentially, like they wanted.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
To like like the screen movies, like the.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Screen movies, get co eds. I don't even know what
the word is support, but make sure like these these
other students were home alone or in like, you know,
small numbers so that they could scare the crap out
of them and murder them.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Were they all girls?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, So Matt was also on the death list, but
he had become like kind of this added addition because
he and Cassie were always hanging out. They've been dating
for about five months, so they were attached to the.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Hip right, and so they were mad at him for
that and.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
They just said he They were like, sorry, you're our friend, Cassie,
You're our friend. But there has to be like sacrifices
have to be made.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What like a whole school of kids, and they're all,
you know who we should start with the people that
we can fuck over the easiest, garn it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Tally U. So they had been kind of casing Cassie's
house before she went to house it, and so they
drove by. They are recorded pulling up. They record themselves
pulling up to the house and talking about how they're
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gonna go knock on the door or make some noise
outside and kind of lure Matt outside to check it
out and kill him and then scare the crap out
of Cassie and kill her and they there's so there's
the found footage and then there's also there's also this
podcast I listened to, and the other names on the
death list have been redacted for the protection of those
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right victims, And they just don't even pay attention to that,
Like they just literally like have put out all of
the sound clips out in the air without the redacted whatever.
So we're not gonna beat that, but there, Yeah, there
were several other girls that they had been watching, and
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one of them, like her parents, showed up, like right
as they were about to go in and kill her.
They were also the day of Cassie's murder. They were
talking about this girl that was gonna be home alone
from six to seven, like we could go over and
kill her, and then we can head over to Cassie's
and kill Cassie and Matt. So anyone that thinks that
Matt was involved, he was also on the death list.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So were they like at the top of the list
or they just knew their schedules more.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm not sure. I think they were added to the
list just because they found out that Cassie was going
to pass house sitting, or that they were left alone
because they talked him out a lot hung out with them.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Terrible people, I know, just truly the worst there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
They can see what the plan was in motion, And
before Tory and Brian go into Cassie's on uncle's house
where she's house sitting, they found themselves hyping each other up,
essentially being like we're outside of this house right now,
Cassie and Matter inside there are friends, but you know,
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what Sorry, there have to be sacrifices, Like I said,
everyone has to make sacrifices or some craziness like that.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
In his car. The time is nine fifty September twenty second,
two thousand and six. Unfortunately, we have the growing task
of killing our two friends. And they are right in
that house just down the street. We just talked to them.
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We were there for an hour. We checked out the
whole house. We know there's lots of doors, there's lots
of places to hide. I locked the back doors. That's
all a lot. Now we just gotta wait, and yeah,
we're right now. You know, we're ready. We're listening to
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the Green Rock. We were for this for a long time, Floyd.
Before we commit the ultimate crime of murder, we wait
for this for a long time, a long time.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We'll stay tuned. And then the next time that they
start recording, Brian and Tory are back in the car
and they're like so excited, and then Brian's like, I
killed Cassie. I stabbed her, and Tory's like, I stopped
her in the neck. And I can play that right
here if you would like. But they you can hear
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them and the excitement that they have about what they've
just done to their friend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Horrifying, horrifying, horrifying.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Just killed Cassie. We just left her house. This is
not a fucking joke. I stabbed her in the throw
and I saw her life and body just disappeared. Dude,
I just killed cas See. Fuck that felt like, I mean, well,
by so fad fuck up. We gotta get interaction. It's okay, okay,
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well let's go to move tickets out. Okay, good bye.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And so the whole notion of Brian saying that he
wasn't involved, Tory also tries to claim this as well,
like Brian is the mastermind, and then Brian saying that
Tory is the mastermind behind all of this. You can
just tell that they were.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Both absolutely yeah in on it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Both equally and involved in this. And so what Brian
ends up telling investigators that happened that night, He says,
we left, We told him that we're going to the movie.
Fifteen minutes later, we went back into the house through
the basement door. We started flickering on and off the
lights to really scare them, and we're expecting someone to
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come investigate. When no one did. They waited a little
bit longer, and then Matt left the house called Tory
told him that he was gone, and that gave him
the green light essentially to go up.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I bet Matt lives and then his mom lives with
the fact that she didn't let him stay. I mean,
I'm sure she made her come. Yeah, I'm sure she's
it's bittersweet. I'm sure that her son survived. I'm sure
he has that survivor guilt though, Oh my gosh, I
can only imagine.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But anyway, so Brian and Tory then proceed to turn
off all the lights again, and then they start stomping
up the stairs, hitting walls. Once they get to the top,
they slam the door, and then they start opening and
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closing doors and slamming stuff and making a bunch of
noise to scare the ship out of Cassie. And they
find her curled up in the fetal position on the
couch like she hasn't moved. She's really just so scared,
hoping that maybe they're just burglars and they won't see her.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Do you know where the dogs were? And it's kind
of like a weird question.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But I probably cowered. I know one of the dogs.
When they were flickering on and off the lights. One
of them was standing at the top of the stairs,
growling down into the dark. Yeah, Cassie, I don't know
how big the dogs are, how the dogs are, and
if they could have protected her, but they were probably cowering.
(36:33):
So yeah, they tried to get her to get off
the couch by like making more noise, and then when
she doesn't move, Tori attacks her first of the brain, says,
and just starts stabbing, and so twenty nine times later
and then she's she bleeds out on the floor and
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is not found for two days. Then so then those
poor dogs and cats are just in that house with
the deceased body of Cassie, which is awesome, very sad, sad.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
And everybody here both cats and dogs will eat your corpse.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So I'm wondering why the finger was gone.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I have an idea. It also sounds like it was
a pretty brutal attack, so it's possible.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
To defensive defensive, and I feel like that maybe they
found it later.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, either way, horrible, horrible, horrible situation. Absolutely, it's crazy
to me that Matt couldn't get in touch with her,
and he.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Was trying, like they could see the phone logs of
him trying and trying, trying, and I mean, in two
thousand and six, you also have to think not everyone
had a flip phone.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I know. I feel like his mom would have been sympathetico,
been like, yeah, all right, let's go check it out.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I don't think she was home. I think maybe she
had to work or was running errands because they say
that he didn't have a car available to him because
his mom had the car.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, but also, I don't know sixteen thirteenagers, Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe on him, Yeah, maybe he thought she
was mad at him and to showing up. Maybe or
him leaving her alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't blame him.
I mean, there's there's two people that this blame is on,
and that is Toy and Brian.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Period police had also talked to other classmates about Tory
and Brian, and their classmates were like, yeah, they're weird,
and they always had a camcorder going basically, and they
were always talking about wanting to make a horror movie.
(38:34):
They were both obsessed with horror movies. So when you
see them in this footage, there is a period of
time during the twenty second, the day of the murder,
while they are at school and they had skipped their
fourth period, and the entire time that they're skipping class,
they're sitting at this table in the library talking about
killing Cassie that day. They're talking about their plans out
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in the open.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Not prem editated at all, no gosh.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
No conspiracy. And so this gets brought up too. It's like, well,
they were talking about this openly. You can hear someone
coming up to them and they're just, Oh, we're working
on a school project, right, and then he's like, it's
kind of a project and they're just being douche dummies.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I feel like my, uh my insults are becoming less
impactful to dummies, douche bags, a bunch of stupid little
and Sillians and ciliens like that.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Oh my god, Okay, where am I at?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The police found all that footage of them just talking
about it out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, in the open, And so this gets brought up
a lot too. And Anna, Cassie's mom, also filed a
lawsuit against Pocatel School District, stating that they could have
prevented this from happening to her dog. There were signed
there were people coming forward and like you know, had
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mentioned Brian Draper talking about a school like shooting up
the school. They like people were concerned, but because it
wasn't a school shooting, I don't if they dropped the
case so that case did not get past.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I feel like it was also over a long period
of time, so it's probably pretty difficult to prove that
it was preventable. If like these boys were just consistent
poop heads.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, I think they probably just like did a little
slap on the rest for Brian and were like, you
can't talk about that, it's not funny, and he probably
was like, no, you're right, like I was just joking.
But he idolized the Columbine shoots. Clearly he idolized them
and said that he wanted to go down and infamy
like they did.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Do you have any idea how many cases I've heard
where the friends are saying, well, that person always said
that they wanted to kill somebody, but we just never
believed it, never took them seriously. And I've got to
be honest, I would be that friend because I have
had friends where I'm like They're like, oh, I just
wish I could kill that guy and I'm like, yeah,
me too, you know what I mean, Like I'm never like, yeah, we're.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Never go further than that, Like you don't conspire, you
don't make plans to do it, It doesn't go further
than it's the very service easy.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I feel like to fall into that false comfort of that,
especially like with certain people where you just assume they're
messing around.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well and they're they were just kind of dweves.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, clearly, and they're obsessed with this idea of like
horror movies and.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Horror movies and Columbine shooting and I mean, I'm we're
too cram obsessed.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They also said, like other students say that Tori had
like a knife collection, Like so I know, right, yeah,
and he was obsessed with knives and guns. But I
mean at sixteen.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
And in a small town in Idaho, yeah, I mean, man, yeah,
I mean it's just I feel like there are like
that one case we did with the Inseil King m
His mom has like now dedicated her life where she says,
there are certain factors, but they all have to come
together and you have to know about all of them, right,
and that might help you. But even then it's not guarantee.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, well, I just I just don't understand how there
had been evidence, like physical evidence of Brian talking about
shooting up a school and nothing.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Very surprising.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, and he had a website.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But they were in high school at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yes, they were juniors in high school.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
So they had been long past that middle school middle
school age. That's why I feel.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Like maybe they've been keeping an eye on them.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
They probably were for a while and then they were like.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well he also when they talked to him later about
like why he was obsessed with this stuff, he just
said that he always felt like a loser. He had stutter.
He got teased for that pretty pretty roughly while he
was you know, growing up, and you can hear it
in the interviews too. When he gets like freaked out,
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he starts studying a lot more, which is another like
one of those indicators, right, a speech impediment.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, well anything tease, Yeah, that can cause extreme bullying
like that, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
So that's one of the markers. But what their plan
was is Tory wanted to do more of the scream
style murder. They had argued about this, so Tory wanted
Tory wanted to do more of the singling out victims.
Brian wanted to do the school shooting, so they were
talking about completing this death list and then shooting up
the school.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Brian was the one who was obsessed with horror movies
and not the Columbine shooting.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
No, Brian was obsessed with the Columbine. Tory was obsessed
with horror movies. Tory wanted to do the Scream murder style,
which he says, I wanted to be more like scream.
Brian says, yeah, and then at the end finale, basically
we'll shoot the school up.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
That checks for me.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
And they thought that they were just going to keep
being able to do like get away with.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
This, nobody will catch us.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah. They also if there's a part of the tape
where the also like ragging on the FBI like you're
too late, you're too dumb, Like we're gonna go down
in infamy.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Like bigger than the movies, you idiot.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, I know, and I know, And that's why
a lot of it gets played, like a lot of
the blame gets placed on horror movies. When it's like
you can separate, yeah, fuck life from fiction, almost say fact, Okay,
not right, you should be able to separate yourself from that,
(44:32):
you know, like obviously sixteen, your frontal lobes not fully developed,
and there are other factors that play.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
There's hundreds and thousands of people who enjoy forrmalies. I
enjoyed them as a kid myself, and I never once
was like, let me drop a pan to shoot out
my school.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
So yeah, like we had said, like, there there's only
so much credence you can give to the claim that
horror movies were the deciding factor in these boys carrying
out their plans, and they did a really terrible job
either way. Like, I just don't understand how they thought
(45:23):
that they were gonna get away with it so poorly,
so poorly planned, and they just thought that they were
the smartest ever. And I will clearly not.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Did they weren't able to find physical evidence right at
the crime scene.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
No, they did wear gloves, and they took like I said,
they took all their clothes, the masks, the murder weapons,
and the tape, which I'm like, why were you documentary
menting all of this if you were just going to
destroy destroy it?
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Interesting, We're going for desk count we're not going not
to get caught, Ryan, if we're going for guns and
we're just gonna end and we're just gonna wrap the
guns and get out of there killed Whenny.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
We're going to make history. We're gonna make history for
all u FBI is watching him. You were quick enough,
We were quick enough, and you weren't smart enough. And
we're going over today Nason's house. We're gonna go snoop
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around over there and try to see if she told
the load or not. And she's all loud splat she did.
Don't put your Brian, I'm not putting any over with Yep,
people will die.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I mean it does lend credence to the hypothesis that
maybe they really weren't planning to kill that Cassie.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But I just know the tape.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I really feel like they were going to.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Especially with the last part where it's like literally him screaming,
we just killed Cassie. This is not an effing joke.
We just left her house crazy. Tory laughs like they're
moncle me. Yeah. Absolutely. Investigators had also gotten warrants to
search both Brian and Tory's bedrooms, and so they found
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Brian's website dedicated to Columbine. They also found from Tory's
laptop kitty porn. What yeah, children, children and you dude,
I hope they tacked an extra. I don't think they did.
So let's go to their sentencing.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Those gross little freaks, freaks in a bad way.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
So at the trial they had to play this video footage.
Obviously Brian had they both had separate trials, so Brian
went first, and he tried to make out Tory as
the mastermind. As you'd already kind of discussed. He tried
to say that it was all Tory and that he
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just wanted to scare Cassie and he thought it was
a prank. That was the defense for Brian. And so
they play the tape and luckily, like I had mentioned before,
there's no footage of Cassie physically being murdered or her
body afterwards, so they didn't film that part of it, surprisingly.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Or at least was that just could it have been
something they couldn't recover?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
I think maybe, possibly, oh possibly.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I'm really glad her mom didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
I don't think they would have been filming.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Though, because they needed both their hands.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yes, they need both their hands and also when they
get back into the car, Brian starts going on his.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, so the camera was probably in the car.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
So the camera was probably left in the car. So
obviously Brian and Tory were under age. They're only sixteen
at this point, and although Tory did have a knife collection,
they didn't want it to be linked back to them, okay,
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So they asked their eighteen year old friend to go
into this pawn shop. They gave him forty five dollars
to pay for three different knives or four different knives sorry.
One of the knives that they purchased from this pawn
chap had a serrated blade. And then the guy that
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helped them purchase these knives pointed out that when he
brought them back out to Brian and Tory that Brian
made a point to claim ownership of the serrated blade.
So if you remember me saying eleven of the twelve
fatal wounds came from the knife that Brian right claimed,
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does that make any difference? Not really? Not really, just
means that he was more.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Either either he had better aim or the blade itself
did his job create a bladzer no joke.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
There was also a note that the court show during
his trial, and they read it aloud to the jury
and it said, I'm becoming more and more obsessed with Columbine.
It seems now that that's all I think about. I
would give anything to go back in time and be
a part of Eric Harris and Dylan Cleebald's lives. They
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are my heroes. I will follow in their footsteps and
maybe I'll even meet them.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Wow, that is unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
She talked about unhealthy attachments.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Wow, terrible to laugh about that. But he was just, yeah,
we're laughing because we're uncomfortable. Definitely, I just got the heabs.
Look at these goosies.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
So yeah, when Tory is then brought in to his trial,
he'd try to plead the defense that on the tape,
Brian can be heard saying, oh my god, I just
killed Cassie. I just killed Cassie. Not we just killed Cassie.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Interesting and also.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
The underneath Cassie's fingernails on one of her hands, they
found skin cells of that ordna that belonged to Brian.
They also point out that twelve of the thirteen fatal
wounds came from Brian allegedly supposedly, and that Torri was
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just going along with it, and Brian had threatened him,
so they flipped the script.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
They said.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Oh. They also try to use the defense that he
has a learning disability or like a developmental disability, but
that has never been confirmed or proven by like a medical.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Professional, okay, like like ADHD, or.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Like a cognitive They say it's a neuro cognitive deficit. That, yeah,
not specifically ADHD. Whate was like, it doesn't. He doesn't
make it any less of a of your fault, not
any loss.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Of a He can't read good.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
So he has dyslexia.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't know if this is really on him right.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
His mom still and his dad still say that he's innocent.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
They still wrote a book. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
So obviously the jury doesn't buy their bs, and they
take into consideration all of the evidence that's been presented
to them. Both boys are found guilty of first degree
murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
of parole. They are also sentenced to conspiracy to commit murder,
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which is thirty two life, so essentially a double life
sentence no possibility of parole.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
To be served consecutively to be concerned, Yeah, exactly, And
they are both still serving their time at Idaho Idaho.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
State Correctional Institution. They're my age, they're thirty six.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Wow, why do I think.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
They would be? I'm older. I don't know. Two thousand
and six sixteen, I was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, that's wild, dude.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah. So there was also another murder that had happened
about fifty yards from where Tory Adamchek lived.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Wait, wait, can I ask you a question first?
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
About the trial? So did either of the boys testify
against each other?
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
No? I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
No, I don't think that they were allowed to because
they're both Do you mean they didn't.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I just they were supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
There's supposed to be a character witness for Tory, I guess,
and then at the last minute they were unable to
attend the hearing. They're all actually, actually, you're probably not
a very good.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Guy, not really into that, dude. That's crazy, OK. Sorry,
go ahead. So there was another.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Murder so in two thousand and September two thousand and four,
So two years prior to Cassie's murder, there was a
trial for the murder of Nori Jones, and so they
called both Tory and Brian to testify, but neither of
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them agreed to, and then the defendant was later found guilty.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
But why did they want them to testify?
Speaker 3 (54:28):
They ad because Tory was a suspect in that murder
as well because it was a there was a sexual
assault and stabbing. Am I stupid art fifty yards from
his house? Did you say that it was before two
years prior? Well, I could see why they would be
interested in And there's also reports that I think it's
(54:53):
actually on video of Tory asking Brian, would you ever
actually kill somebody? Like happy? You ever thought about it?
Actually killing somebody, not just like thinking about it or
fantasizing about it.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Tori says that.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Have you ever thought about doing it?
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Like?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Real?
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Really?
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (55:14):
In real life?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Is this real life?
Speaker 3 (55:18):
It's crazy? So they're both throtten in prison. They've obviously
both filed multiple appeals. I think one of them claimed
that it was cruel and unusual punishment for minor.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say they probab charged him as.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, and so they had. So they both filed separate
appeals to the Idaho Supreme Court in September twenty ten,
Adam Chick did, and then in April twenty eleven, Brian
Draper did. Draper was seeking to have his conviction vacated
or to be given a limited life sentence that would
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allow for his release of parole after thirty years, which
it still hasn't been thirty years yet they still have
like eleven more years that stupid.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Sorry, no no, I'm like you got this eleven years helping, so.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
He would still have eleven years before he would be
up for parole. They denied both Tory and Draper's appeal
in a three to two decision.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
The High Court vacated Draper's conviction on conspiracy to commit
first degree murders, saying that jurors were given erroneous instructions
on that charge, but they affirmed his conviction for first
degree murder and a life sentence without pearl, so he
had thee Yeah, the conspiracy dropped for some reason. And
then in July twenty fifteen, a hearing for post conviction
(56:44):
relief for Tory was held before State sixth District Magistrate
Judge Mitchell W. Brown. Claim was that testimony from character
witnesses would have changed the outcome of the of the sentencing,
and that his former attorney had chosen not to call
upon these witnesses, so his parents were just like he
(57:06):
could have possibly gotten a lesser sentencing because of these
character witnesses. In March twenty sixteen, Judge Brown denied the
request good and Tory's council appealed to Judge Brown. Judge
Brown's decision again to the Supreme Court, the Idaho Supreme Court,
and then they ejected the appeal and upheld his uh
(57:27):
the district court decision.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Jesus Christ himself could come down from the sky okay
and testify, and I would have been like, too bad,
you're done.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
So Tory keeps trying to get this sentencing overturned. He
still swears up and down that he didn't have as
much to do with it, and that Brian was the
ringleader and the one that killed Cassie. Brian has been
in interviews and you can hear him stutter yes, but
(58:01):
also you can hear him talking about it and he
sounds like he's remorseful, but he's psychopath So can that
be considered true remorse right? It's just I can't even.
I can't even. So they're both in prison for the
(58:21):
rest of their lives and hopefully they remain there, and
if there's any updates on their appeals, I'll let y'all know, yeah,
because obviously they're still sitting in prison, and the last
court sentence that they had was in March two thousand
and two, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
I like, truly, I don't know. I am so all
over the place with my feelings about juveniles being sentenced
to life. I do struggle with that a lot, because
when you are young like that, sometimes you don't think
things through. But the fact was they got caught and
(59:01):
didn't seem to have really any remorse at all.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Well, like I said, Tori still and his parents are
still saying that he does he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, like take some ownership right, right, and maybe things
might work out for you. I don't know. That's that's wild.
That's a crazy case. Who uh who?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Preston. My friend Preston Pace suggested this case. Preston, there
was something that wasn't I think you, Preston case to us,
I will say, this is really cute. For her funeral.
For Cassie's funeral, it was held October first, two thousand
and six, and over five hundred people from the community
(59:41):
showed up Cassie's family after her murder started pumpkins for
Cassie to honor her memory. So the pumpkins were manned
by Sawder's grandmother and a friend, and also provided a
chance for community members to help the Pocatello Animal Shelter
or the Idaho Food Bank. So anyone who made a
donation was given a pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Oh, pumpkins for Cassie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I'm gonna say this off the record. If I ever
die and it's around Halloween, I hope somebody does something
Halloween for me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I'm gonna dress up at your I'm gonna dress up
as Sam and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Be like, yeah right. Call it a fellowship for Sahara
where everybody just pretends to be a member of a fellowship.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Same, I would say, same, Yes, So gotcha girl. That
is the wild and terrible, tragic, tragic my god, no,
cut all that. Yeah, that's the tragic case of Cassie,
Joe sat and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Those little scummy dummies. Scummy, the scummy dummies.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Little scummy. Yeah, y'all. If you have any case corrections,
coffee shop suggestions, or sweet treats, I've given up on
the recipes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
We tried.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Guys, I'm gonna get a hair, a wild hair at
some point and be like, oh, especially when as Fallow
is approaching and were like, hey, guess what.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Once we get that crispness in there, I'll be like, oh, guys,
They'll setting out like secret texts dms to the followers, like, hey, guys,
ask can just to make me some banana bread.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Oh my gosh, I actually have three bananas that are
very right right now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I have two. I could give them to you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You have to make cause.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
But yeah, either way, any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Anyway, all that stuff, and like I said, I'm going
to try to set up a phone number that you
guys can reach out to you and leave voicemails because
that sounds fun, super fun, or it might even do
like Collins at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
The world is our oyster be so fun?
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Anyway, do you have something?
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How art thou good?
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How goes?
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I'm getting pretty good at suku?
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That's fun.
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It is fun.
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I don't know if you want to keep track of cussing.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So last episode we started a spur jar so we
can get clean quote unquote episodes through Spotify, so that
they will actually run our ads on other platforms, on
other platforms, other podcasts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, they'll promote us and like put us into like
when you're listening through podcast episodes and sometimes they give
you a new one, they'll they'll do that. If our
episodes are clean.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
We will try that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So we're gonna do our best again today Baby Steps,
episode one hundred. We're gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Last week was eleven, so maybe if this week we
make it to Tenah, I think that's a good goal
for us.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I love that goal for us.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And I'm just gonna go ahead and point this out too.
I'm not we're not going to be reviewing anything this week.
I haven't had a time to get around to it.
So maybe next.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Episode, Yeah, send the stuff to review you guys, so
that we can try it out exactly, because clearly we
were lacking, lacking.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Also, it's been a week, and how it's been a week.
So with that in mind, I guess I'll just jump
into it because this one might be a little bit long.
There's a lot of information on this case and there's
also audio clips. Anyway, I'm going to take you on
downtown to Pocatello, Idaho. Okay. So the morning of September
(02:46):
twenty second, two thousand and six, which was a Friday,
sixteen year old Cassi Jo's daughter was at Pocatello High School.
One of her classmates comes by with a camcorder around
m and it was just like, oh, it's Cassie. And
then he kind of like pans around her and says
(03:07):
say hi. Cassie, say hi to the camera, I'm recording
you right now, and she says hi, like leave me
alone anyway, And.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I guess he was a creep.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He was a little bit of a creep. So for
the rest of the school day, Cassie went to all
of her classes. Nothing was abnormal for her. She left
school and was picked up by her mother, Anna, and
around five point thirty, Anna drove Cassie out to her
aunt and uncle's house, who she was going to be
(03:39):
house sitting for for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay cool.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Her aunt uncle had two dogs and two cats, so
what the deal kind of was was that they were
going to pay Cassie to come over take care of
the pet, stay at the house while they're out of town.
It was also said that Cassie was saving up to
buy a car, and she's sixteen, so she was like, sweet,
I'm gonna have this big house to myself. Get a
little extra more like, get a little extra money to
(04:05):
put towards a car, and this is a pretty sweet deal.
It's a beautiful house. She had talked to her aunt
and uncle about her boyfriend Matt Beckham, coming over and
just watching movies for a little while and then Matt
was going to go home, and they were totally fine
with that. So her and Matt, at around six o'clock,
(04:30):
they start hanging out, eating snacks, watching movies and you know,
just having some cute high school sweetheart time together, sitting
on the couch, you know, just chilling. At around nine o'clock,
(04:51):
these two other boys from their school show up, and
they're friends of Matt and Cassie's a little bit more
of Matt's friends. Their names are Brian Draper and Tory
Attam Chick, and Cassie was not expecting anyone else to
come over to the house. She had just agreed upon
matt being over there, and uh so this was kind
of odd and probably made her feel a little she
(05:14):
was uncomfortable. The boys persuade her to let them hang
out and watch a movie with them, and then they
keep trying to get her to invite more people over
and have a party while her aunt and uncle a
out of town, and she's just like vehemently up and down, like, no,
I'm watching this house for my aunt uncle. I'm going
(05:35):
to be responsible. You guys can stay for a movie,
but then you need to leave. And so they're like.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm good for her, you know, right, because I would
have been easily persuaded, right.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
She gives them a brief tour of the house, and
while this is happening, Brian Draper slips out of the
basement and unlocks a door leading from the backyard into
the basement.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
God.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So after this, they all kind of settle down in
the living room. They're having snacks. They're watching a movie,
Kill Bill Volume two, which is a great movie.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I remember when that one came.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Out and about halfway through the movie, so about an
hour into Brian and Torre showing up to the house,
they tell Cassie and Matt that they're bored and they've
likely already seen this movie, and so they're like, we're
gonna go to a theater and watch a different movie.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because they're like cenophiles, right, self.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Proclaimed movie buffs experts if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, there are those people on Rotten Tomatoes who have
the critics score. I never pay attention to the critics
score because it's never what I think.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The same same. I have completely different tastes of movies.
So anyways, they so they leave and Cassie and Matt
cozy backup on the couch, and about I want to say,
like fifteen twenty minutes later, the lights in the house
(07:07):
go off. All the electricity in the house goes off, pikes,
and they're both freaked out, obviously, but then the lights
come back on, so they're like, okay. Right before Matt
is about to head down to the breaker box and
check it out, the lights come back on and Matt's
(07:31):
mom is supposed to come over and pick him up.
In like thirty minutes, he calls his mom and tries
to see if he can stay at the house with
Cassie because she's freaked out, understandably, and his mom says, no,
there's no way in hell you're going to stay at
this house with the girl by yourselves. Yeah, at sixteen
years old. She says, if Cassie is really freaked out,
(07:53):
she can come stay with us and then we'll return
her in the morning so she can take care of
the pets, and she can hear Cassie in the background
saying no, no, like, I need to stay here. I
told my aunt and uncle I would stay at the night.
I need to keep to my responsibilities and my commitment.
(08:15):
So thirty minutes later, Matt's mom shows up and picks
him up, so he leaves, I guess. Shortly after that,
Matt calls Tory to see where him and Brian are at,
and it's basically like, I just left Cassie. I'm on
(08:36):
my way home. What are you guys doing. I still
want to hang out. They had made plans to hang
out after he had left Cassie and Tory's whispering on
the phone.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And because you like, I'm in the theater or something.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
When Matt questions why he's whispering. He says, Oh, I'm
in the theater. There's a bunch of people around, like
I can't talk, and we're not going to hang out
tonight basically, so I'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Rejected. Geez, I wonder why that could be.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I feel like you all know where this is going.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So later that night, Matt calls to check in on
Cassie at around midnight and there's no answer, so he's like, oh,
maybe she just went to sleep, right. He stays up
with his dad watching movies until about three pm or
three am time three am, and then he passes out.
The next morning, he goes over and hangs out with Toy,
(09:33):
and he keeps trying to call Cassie to check in
on her and see how she's doing, and there's no
answer at the house. He asks Toy if they could
possibly drive over to the aunt and uncle's house to
check on her, and Tory tells him no, I don't
have enough gas for that. Sorry, Like, you'll see her tomorrow.
(09:57):
Stays the night at Tory's house night as well. Jeez.
That Sunday, at about like one pm in the afternoon,
Cassie's aunt and uncle and thirteen year old cousin get
back to the house and they walk in and her
(10:18):
thirteen year old cousin discovers, Oh god, Cassie's brutally murdered,
murdered body. So there was blood everywhere. And on the
nine one one call, you can hear her aunt saying,
I need an ambulance. There's a dead girl in my
living room and she's missing a finger.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's what her aunt says, A dead girl.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, that's what her aunt says, which is weird because
I mean, maybe she wasn't thinking that it was her niece, but.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
That's a crazy that's a that's a crazy call.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Right right when police show up, the cordon off the
area obviously, and then Cassie's mom is literally pulling up
to this crime scene to pick Cassie up and finds
out that her daughter has been brutally murdered.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh my god. So this was two days later, right
days later. That's crazy that her mom didn't try to
talk to her for two days.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, And that gets brought up a lot and it's like, well,
why didn't she reach out, And it's like, well, she
was basically if Cassie needed something, she would have called me,
so she wasn't thinking anything was wrong. She's just hanging
out at this house. You would think I would be
like checking with me in the morning and before you
would have bet or something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Right, But okay, whatever, I mean, different parents do different
things exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Exactly. So as police are trying to piece this together,
they're not finding any evidence. They just there's a lot
of blood everywhere. They can tell it was a very
violent attack. The forensic investigator on the case finds that,
or the medical examiner finds that Cassie was stabbed total
of thirty five times, oh my gosh, and twelve of
(12:05):
those stab wounds were fatal. So they also discover from
the cut patterns in the tissue that one of the
knives was serrated and one of them was not. So
from the serrated knife, eleven of those fatal wounds were inflicted,
and from the nons rated only one of them was
(12:25):
inflicted by.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The knife serrated. Man just goes to show, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Twenty nine total. Sorry, I wrote a note while it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Was twenty nine total actually based on my sticky note.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Based on the my sticky note, So that's crazy. All
the other, yeah, stab twenty nine times, which would indicate
two investigators that it was personal.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
And passionate and overkill and overkill.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So the only evidence that police kind of find as
they're piecing this together, they bring in mas. He's the
last person that's known to be with her. Anna, Cassie's mom,
almost immediately upon finding her daughter has been murdered, calls
Matt and is like, what have you done? Oh no,
(13:14):
she thought it was him, So he's suspect number one. Especially, yeah,
and I mean, yeah, exactly, And we said overkill, passionate, personal.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I can see why she would think that, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Especially stabbing is a very personal way to kill somebody.
So they the police go and pick up Matt and
they bring him in for questioning, and he when he's
told that Cassie's been murdered, his girlfriend's been murdered, The
police say he's acting very like Mulaise, like he doesn't
(13:51):
have a lot of emotion about it, and they're kind
of expecting him to be like, you know, shooken up
about it, and he's just kind.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Of blank faced, like shocks maybe shock.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He also there's audio of him in the interrogation room
talking about how there had been a lot of death
in his life recently, so he had had like an
uncle die and Cassie's dad had also died recently, and
there was like just a lot of people that had
been dying around him.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Grandma, oh her poor mother. Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know. So they're like, Okay, they don't think that
it explains it. But also he's also sixteen, so I
don't know that you're going to react.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Well, so far as I can tell, there's no like
one way people react.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
No, And that's that's also true.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Like people handle grief so differently.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Very much, And I would almost feel like if he
did do it, he might be over exaggerating it, like
we've see in a lot of cases where the perpetrator
is like, oh my god, how overacting. Yeah, so he
tells them about the lights flickering on and off, and
they're like okay, interesting, And Matt also mentions like they
(15:05):
looked out into the neighborhood and like the nearest house
is about half mile away, but no one else's powers out.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
So they're like, Okay, maybe we need to take a
look at the breaker box. So they go into the
house and find the breaker box and there are some
discernible prints that they can see just from the naked eye.
They're able to lift those and they are a match
to Cassie's mom's boyfriend. Oh well, but when they question
(15:39):
Anna's boyfriend, he tells them I'm an electrician and hired
him or yeah, they had paid him, like under the
table or whatever to come over and kind of figure
shit out. So he was working on the on the
breaker box that was twice already, damn it, three times.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I can't get in. You were doing so good for
so long.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
So he has a completely rock solid alibi as well.
He was next door to Ann in his house with
the neighbor playing video games all night, and they corroborate
this alibi for him, so they roll him out. And
so they're trying to figure this out. They're like, is
it just some random drifter.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
That's a crazy lead though that didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Right, Is this some random drifter? Is it? You know,
there's some people were speculating that it was a gang gangs.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And there was no sign of forced entry.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Right, there was no sign of forced entry.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
My immediate assumption is she knew the person.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Exactly, and so that's where they kind of land On,
like she must have known whoever this was. There's two
different types of stab wounds, so there's likely two assailants traders. Yeah,
And so Matt when they questioned him again, he's like,
they're like, you're the only one that saw her that night?
(17:07):
What happened? And he's like, well, I wasn't the only one.
And then he brings up that his friends Brian and
Tory had come over around nine, but they had left
after an hour and gone to the movies.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So the police are all prove it.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, they're like, riddle me this batman, to.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Me this map man, what movie was it?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Huh uh huh. So this leads investigators to Brian and Tory,
who when brought in or questioned out their house. So
they questioned them out their house first. They just go
to the door and kind of question them with their parents,
mind you, their miner Still they're both sixteen as well,
so Brian is a little bit more willing to talk
(17:56):
and give give them his alibi. Tory and his parents
are not as easy to get a hold of and
not as willing to cooperate. So when they bring in Brian,
he initially tells them, no, I didn't see Cassie. That night,
I went to a movie and went and saw the
(18:18):
movie A Pulse, which I don't know if you remember
that movie.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
But it's terrible. It's a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yes, he's like, no, no, no. Tori and I were
hanging out and we went to the movies, and so
the investigators are going back and forth with them, and
they're just poking holes in his alibi. They're like, oh,
what was the movie about? And he's like, oh, I
don't remember. I wasn't paying attention. It was boring. And
(18:45):
they're like, okay, do you remember any of the previews,
like any of the coming attractions And he's like, no,
well what was the movie about? Who was in the
movie And he's just like, I don't know. It wasn't
anyone original and he says it was kind of like
White Noise, which why not.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That one? I do remember?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yes, So I'll have to show you the trailer for
Pulse after this, because.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
It's maybe we'll let you guys listen.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
To It's real early two thousands. I know the Internet
and you know they have.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Dial ups, hackers. I'm in not a way.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We've come crazy. And then then all of a sudden,
Brian is like, well, I told you that there was
(19:49):
a girl sitting next to me, and there was two
girls sitting next to me. I was talking with them
and they're like, well, what did she look like? And
he's like, well, she was attractive obviously, and he just
like goes on to describe her. She was wearing tight
jeans and had brown hair, very generic. Her name is
Heather and I think she went to Highland High School,
not poke Tub at high school. And they're just like, bro,
(20:14):
okay whatever. They bring him back in the pre the
next day to kind of question him again about it,
to see how many more holes they can pokemed his alley.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, it's even changes too, I bet uh huh.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And so they're questioning him about the movie again. He
still can't tell them anything about it.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You think he would have gone home, like recal.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
What time did you get there and were you guys
hanging out in the lobby And he's like no, me
and Tory were hanging out in the bathroom talking and
they're like well okay, and he's like, well we got
there at nine fifty and then we went and sat down.
They're like, no, you didn't like they won't let you
in the movie, which they will. I don't understand why
he was saying. The officer was saying that they won't
(20:57):
let you sit down in the theater ten minutes before.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Maybe he was trying to like see if he would flow.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, flip it. So then he was like, oh,
we were in the lobby. We were hanging out the
bathroom talking about stuff, and then we went and sat down,
and like he's like, goes on, oh yeah, maybe there
was a movie beforehand and we had to wait until
they empty the theater or something. I don't remember. So
it's like, no one saw you at the theater. We
went down to the theater, we questioned people, and then
(21:24):
he's like, we actually went and watched the movie yesterday.
The officer, yeah, officers like, we went and watched Pulse yesterday,
so tell us what it was about.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Because I can remember it. Why can't you?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah? Crazy, that's crazy. He's gonna like he was like
how long were you in the theater for? And Brian's
like about two hours And he was like okay, then,
how how do you not know anything about this movie? Right?
How come no one saw you at the theater? How
come the the ticket attendant doesn't remember seeing you, and
she goes to school with you, like she knows you
(21:55):
and Tori by name, and he's just like, okay, we
didn't go at the movie.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He emitted it right. Then he's like fine.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, they're like be straight with us, like you've already lied,
like we know you're lying, blah blah blah, and uh,
they're like, so just be straight with us, like you're
just digging yourself a hole. Did I tuss again? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Wow, you're doing good girl.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Eh. He's like, okay, I didn't want to tell you
guys this because I didn't want to get in trouble.
But Torry and I were going through cars and they're
like what does that mean? What does that mean? He's like,
we were finding that we're unlocked and rummaging through them
and stealing stuff. And they're like okay, so you're burglarizing
cars and he's yeah, and my friend told me or
(22:42):
I heart my friend said something about like you can
get ten years in prison for doing that, and he
was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
That's like such a common criminal thing, like to admit
to a larger crime.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, so they know that they've gotten at this point,
and they're like, so if we go in this what
neighborhood was it? And then they catch him because he
says that they drive by a Tory's house and then
he says something about then we parked outside of her house,
and they're like, whose house? What do you mean her house?
(23:17):
And he's like, Cassie's house. Mmmm, buddy, And then they
placed them out the scene of the crime, and so
they're like, so a neighbor says that they saw you
guys going into the house at around nine o'clock, you
guys left, and then the same car came back like
(23:39):
ten minutes later, read Geo Metro, and two teenagers matching
your description were dressed in black clothes and approached the house.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Damn, I didn't really have a witness minutes later.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
And then Brian just kind of fucking crumbles. So they
keep whittling him down and they try to make it
seem like easier, like Brian's not responsible, but they're like yeah,
they're like, bro, like you Cassie was brutally murdered and
(24:17):
you know something about it, and you need to tell
us what happened to your friend, your close friend. Is
what you told us in your first interview, and he
he's a simp, so he goes straight. He just goes
straight into it and tries to say that they were
just supposed to scare Cassie that night. They were supposed
(24:38):
to scare her and it was all about, you know,
going over and scaring the crap out of her and
then they were going to leave, and that's what Brian
thought they were doing. And Tory just all of a
sudden started stabbing Cassie.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
That's so crazy. And then he put that knife down,
he picked up a different one.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, exactly. Well, no, he says that Tory started stabbing Cassie.
She's screaming, there's blood everywhere. And then Tory was like,
you have to make sure she's dead. You have to
stab her too, And so Brian goes along with it.
And what is it?
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Everybody's mom says, if your friend jumped off a bridge, would.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You if there's water underneath? Maybe I is a bridge?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Your friends starts stabbing your other friend?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do you just right?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And so yeah, they're just don't even have the night.
It doesn't track, it doesn't so savy. But now he's like, yeah,
well we he tells them how they went back into
Torri's car, how they dressed in all black. They had
these white masks that they had put fake blood all over,
like to make it look like it was dripping down
fake like real blood, and then they both grab knives.
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But that was just supposed to be for theatrics, because
they wanted to make a horror movie. And that's what
Brian thought that they were doing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And that's why he had recorded her that morning.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And so they bring him back in for questioning again
and he tells them about where they hid all of
the evidence and drives them out to Black Rock Canyon,
where he finds where they buried the knives, the clothes
that they were wearing, the masks, and a video cassette.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They videotaped it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
They videotaped not her murder, luckily, but oh my God,
and a video cassette, which was something that they He
had not told the investigators. I think maybe he thought
it would be destroyed enough, because they did after the
murder go to a convenience store and buy peroxide and matches.
I don't know how flammable peroxide is, but I think
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maybe they thought that they could get rid of some
of the evidence or yeah, they tried to light everything
on fire and luckily.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Which is crazy because isn't like the film inside of
VHS tapes. Really it's very able.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So they bring back this cassette tape and they're able
to fix it. And there's thirty minutes of recovered footage
that you can find on YouTube if you want to
look it up. I know I'm going to. They're gonna
sprinkle some audio clips in here, but the first part
(27:25):
of this tape is just them talking about how much
they want to kill somebody. And Brian was obsessed with
the Columbine shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
In sales before in Cells Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Had even made an entire website dedicated to the Columbine
shooting and at the bottom of the page it says
more to come, yikes, or more victims to come. And
he had also in middle school he had threatened to
shoot up a school dance, and I guess there had
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been reports of this that had gone to the principal's
office and people were like, had him on a phone
recording talking about shooting up the next school dance, and
he had been at the one prior. He had acted
like he was shooting people and said next time, it's
going to be for real or something like that, and
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they did nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh my gosh. Anyway, so he was obsessed with the
comb management.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
He was obsessed with the Columbine shooting. Tori was obsessed
with horror movies and specifically the movie Scream And so
this is kind of where this case gets that name from.
There is a recording of them talking about how they're
going to do it. They had a death list of
over nine different victims that they had actually been following
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and trying to figure out when they're going to be
home alone so that they could go and start like
a serial killing essentially, like they wanted.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
To like like the screen movies, like the.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Screen movies, get co eds. I don't even know what
the word is support, but make sure like these these
other students were home alone or in like, you know,
small numbers so that they could scare the crap out
of them and murder them.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Were they all girls?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, So Matt was also on the death list, but
he had become like kind of this added addition because
he and Cassie were always hanging out. They've been dating
for about five months, so they were attached to the.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Hip right, and so they were mad at him for
that and.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
They just said he They were like, sorry, you're our friend, Cassie,
You're our friend. But there has to be like sacrifices
have to be made.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
What like a whole school of kids, and they're all,
you know who we should start with the people that
we can fuck over the easiest, garn it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Tally U. So they had been kind of casing Cassie's
house before she went to house it, and so they
drove by. They are recorded pulling up. They record themselves
pulling up to the house and talking about how they're
(30:17):
gonna go knock on the door or make some noise
outside and kind of lure Matt outside to check it
out and kill him and then scare the crap out
of Cassie and kill her and they there's so there's
the found footage and then there's also there's also this
podcast I listened to, and the other names on the
death list have been redacted for the protection of those
(30:39):
right victims, And they just don't even pay attention to that,
Like they just literally like have put out all of
the sound clips out in the air without the redacted whatever.
So we're not gonna beat that, but there, Yeah, there
were several other girls that they had been watching, and
(30:59):
one of them, like her parents, showed up, like right
as they were about to go in and kill her.
They were also the day of Cassie's murder. They were
talking about this girl that was gonna be home alone
from six to seven, like we could go over and
kill her, and then we can head over to Cassie's
and kill Cassie and Matt. So anyone that thinks that
Matt was involved, he was also on the death list.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So were they like at the top of the list
or they just knew their schedules more.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm not sure. I think they were added to the
list just because they found out that Cassie was going
to pass house sitting, or that they were left alone
because they talked him out a lot hung out with them.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Terrible people, I know, just truly the worst there.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
They can see what the plan was in motion, And
before Tory and Brian go into Cassie's on uncle's house
where she's house sitting, they found themselves hyping each other up,
essentially being like we're outside of this house right now,
Cassie and Matter inside there are friends, but you know,
(32:05):
what Sorry, there have to be sacrifices, Like I said,
everyone has to make sacrifices or some craziness like that.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
In his car. The time is nine fifty September twenty second,
two thousand and six. Unfortunately, we have the growing task
of killing our two friends. And they are right in
that house just down the street. We just talked to them.
(32:39):
We were there for an hour. We checked out the
whole house. We know there's lots of doors, there's lots
of places to hide. I locked the back doors. That's
all a lot. Now we just gotta wait, and yeah,
we're right now. You know, we're ready. We're listening to
(33:03):
the Green Rock. We were for this for a long time, Floyd.
Before we commit the ultimate crime of murder, we wait
for this for a long time, a long time.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We'll stay tuned. And then the next time that they
start recording, Brian and Tory are back in the car
and they're like so excited, and then Brian's like, I
killed Cassie. I stabbed her, and Tory's like, I stopped
her in the neck. And I can play that right
here if you would like. But they you can hear
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them and the excitement that they have about what they've
just done to their friend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Horrifying, horrifying, horrifying.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Just killed Cassie. We just left her house. This is
not a fucking joke. I stabbed her in the throw
and I saw her life and body just disappeared. Dude,
I just killed cas See. Fuck that felt like, I mean, well,
by so fad fuck up. We gotta get interaction. It's okay, okay,
(34:10):
well let's go to move tickets out. Okay, good bye.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
And so the whole notion of Brian saying that he
wasn't involved, Tory also tries to claim this as well,
like Brian is the mastermind, and then Brian saying that
Tory is the mastermind behind all of this. You can
just tell that they were.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Both absolutely yeah in on it, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Both equally and involved in this. And so what Brian
ends up telling investigators that happened that night, He says,
we left, We told him that we're going to the movie.
Fifteen minutes later, we went back into the house through
the basement door. We started flickering on and off the
lights to really scare them, and we're expecting someone to
(34:56):
come investigate. When no one did. They waited a little
bit longer, and then Matt left the house called Tory
told him that he was gone, and that gave him
the green light essentially to go up.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I bet Matt lives and then his mom lives with
the fact that she didn't let him stay. I mean,
I'm sure she made her come. Yeah, I'm sure she's
it's bittersweet. I'm sure that her son survived. I'm sure
he has that survivor guilt though, Oh my gosh, I
can only imagine.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But anyway, so Brian and Tory then proceed to turn
off all the lights again, and then they start stomping
up the stairs, hitting walls. Once they get to the top,
they slam the door, and then they start opening and
(35:46):
closing doors and slamming stuff and making a bunch of
noise to scare the ship out of Cassie. And they
find her curled up in the fetal position on the
couch like she hasn't moved. She's really just so scared,
hoping that maybe they're just burglars and they won't see her.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Do you know where the dogs were? And it's kind
of like a weird question.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
But I probably cowered. I know one of the dogs.
When they were flickering on and off the lights. One
of them was standing at the top of the stairs,
growling down into the dark. Yeah, Cassie, I don't know
how big the dogs are, how the dogs are, and
if they could have protected her, but they were probably cowering.
(36:33):
So yeah, they tried to get her to get off
the couch by like making more noise, and then when
she doesn't move, Tori attacks her first of the brain, says,
and just starts stabbing, and so twenty nine times later
and then she's she bleeds out on the floor and
(36:55):
is not found for two days. Then so then those
poor dogs and cats are just in that house with
the deceased body of Cassie, which is awesome, very sad, sad.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
And everybody here both cats and dogs will eat your corpse.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So I'm wondering why the finger was gone.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I have an idea. It also sounds like it was
a pretty brutal attack, so it's possible.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
To defensive defensive, and I feel like that maybe they
found it later.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, either way, horrible, horrible, horrible situation. Absolutely, it's crazy
to me that Matt couldn't get in touch with her,
and he.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Was trying, like they could see the phone logs of
him trying and trying, trying, and I mean, in two
thousand and six, you also have to think not everyone
had a flip phone.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I know. I feel like his mom would have been sympathetico,
been like, yeah, all right, let's go check it out.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I don't think she was home. I think maybe she
had to work or was running errands because they say
that he didn't have a car available to him because
his mom had the car.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, but also, I don't know sixteen thirteenagers, Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe on him, Yeah, maybe he thought she
was mad at him and to showing up. Maybe or
him leaving her alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't blame him.
I mean, there's there's two people that this blame is on,
and that is Toy and Brian.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Period police had also talked to other classmates about Tory
and Brian, and their classmates were like, yeah, they're weird,
and they always had a camcorder going basically, and they
were always talking about wanting to make a horror movie.
(38:34):
They were both obsessed with horror movies. So when you
see them in this footage, there is a period of
time during the twenty second, the day of the murder,
while they are at school and they had skipped their
fourth period, and the entire time that they're skipping class,
they're sitting at this table in the library talking about
killing Cassie that day. They're talking about their plans out
(38:58):
in the open.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Not prem editated at all, no gosh.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
No conspiracy. And so this gets brought up too. It's like, well,
they were talking about this openly. You can hear someone
coming up to them and they're just, Oh, we're working
on a school project, right, and then he's like, it's
kind of a project and they're just being douche dummies.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I know.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I feel like my, uh my insults are becoming less
impactful to dummies, douche bags, a bunch of stupid little
and Sillians and ciliens like that.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Oh my god, Okay, where am I at?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The police found all that footage of them just talking
about it out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, in the open, And so this gets brought up
a lot too. And Anna, Cassie's mom, also filed a
lawsuit against Pocatel School District, stating that they could have
prevented this from happening to her dog. There were signed
there were people coming forward and like you know, had
(40:05):
mentioned Brian Draper talking about a school like shooting up
the school. They like people were concerned, but because it
wasn't a school shooting, I don't if they dropped the
case so that case did not get past.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I feel like it was also over a long period
of time, so it's probably pretty difficult to prove that
it was preventable. If like these boys were just consistent
poop heads.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, I think they probably just like did a little
slap on the rest for Brian and were like, you
can't talk about that, it's not funny, and he probably
was like, no, you're right, like I was just joking.
But he idolized the Columbine shoots. Clearly he idolized them
and said that he wanted to go down and infamy
like they did.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Do you have any idea how many cases I've heard
where the friends are saying, well, that person always said
that they wanted to kill somebody, but we just never
believed it, never took them seriously. And I've got to
be honest, I would be that friend because I have
had friends where I'm like They're like, oh, I just
wish I could kill that guy and I'm like, yeah,
me too, you know what I mean, Like I'm never like, yeah, we're.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Never go further than that, Like you don't conspire, you
don't make plans to do it, It doesn't go further
than it's the very service easy.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
I feel like to fall into that false comfort of that,
especially like with certain people where you just assume they're
messing around.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well and they're they were just kind of dweves.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, clearly, and they're obsessed with this idea of like
horror movies and.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Horror movies and Columbine shooting and I mean, I'm we're
too cram obsessed.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
And yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They also said, like other students say that Tori had
like a knife collection, Like so I know, right, yeah,
and he was obsessed with knives and guns. But I
mean at sixteen.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
And in a small town in Idaho, yeah, I mean, man, yeah,
I mean it's just I feel like there are like
that one case we did with the Inseil King m
His mom has like now dedicated her life where she says,
there are certain factors, but they all have to come
together and you have to know about all of them, right,
and that might help you. But even then it's not guarantee.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, well, I just I just don't understand how there
had been evidence, like physical evidence of Brian talking about
shooting up a school and nothing.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Very surprising.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Yeah, and he had a website.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
But they were in high school at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yes, they were juniors in high school.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
So they had been long past that middle school middle
school age. That's why I feel.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Like maybe they've been keeping an eye on them.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
They probably were for a while and then they were like.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Well he also when they talked to him later about
like why he was obsessed with this stuff, he just
said that he always felt like a loser. He had stutter.
He got teased for that pretty pretty roughly while he
was you know, growing up, and you can hear it
in the interviews too. When he gets like freaked out,
(42:58):
he starts studying a lot more, which is another like
one of those indicators, right, a speech impediment.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, well anything tease, Yeah, that can cause extreme bullying
like that, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
So that's one of the markers. But what their plan
was is Tory wanted to do more of the scream
style murder. They had argued about this, so Tory wanted
Tory wanted to do more of the singling out victims.
Brian wanted to do the school shooting, so they were
talking about completing this death list and then shooting up
the school.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Brian was the one who was obsessed with horror movies
and not the Columbine shooting.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
No, Brian was obsessed with the Columbine. Tory was obsessed
with horror movies. Tory wanted to do the Scream murder style,
which he says, I wanted to be more like scream.
Brian says, yeah, and then at the end finale, basically
we'll shoot the school up.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
That checks for me.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
And they thought that they were just going to keep
being able to do like get away with.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
This, nobody will catch us.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Yeah. They also if there's a part of the tape
where the also like ragging on the FBI like you're
too late, you're too dumb, Like we're gonna go down
in infamy.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Like bigger than the movies, you idiot.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, I know, and I know, And that's why
a lot of it gets played, like a lot of
the blame gets placed on horror movies. When it's like
you can separate, yeah, fuck life from fiction, almost say fact, Okay,
not right, you should be able to separate yourself from that,
(44:32):
you know, like obviously sixteen, your frontal lobes not fully developed,
and there are other factors that play.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
There's hundreds and thousands of people who enjoy forrmalies. I
enjoyed them as a kid myself, and I never once
was like, let me drop a pan to shoot out
my school.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
So yeah, like we had said, like, there there's only
so much credence you can give to the claim that
horror movies were the deciding factor in these boys carrying
out their plans, and they did a really terrible job
either way. Like, I just don't understand how they thought
(45:23):
that they were gonna get away with it so poorly,
so poorly planned, and they just thought that they were
the smartest ever. And I will clearly not.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Did they weren't able to find physical evidence right at
the crime scene.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
No, they did wear gloves, and they took like I said,
they took all their clothes, the masks, the murder weapons,
and the tape, which I'm like, why were you documentary
menting all of this if you were just going to
destroy destroy it?
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Interesting, We're going for desk count we're not going not
to get caught, Ryan, if we're going for guns and
we're just gonna end and we're just gonna wrap the
guns and get out of there killed Whenny.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
We're going to make history. We're gonna make history for
all u FBI is watching him. You were quick enough,
We were quick enough, and you weren't smart enough. And
we're going over today Nason's house. We're gonna go snoop
(46:23):
around over there and try to see if she told
the load or not. And she's all loud splat she did.
Don't put your Brian, I'm not putting any over with Yep,
people will die.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I mean it does lend credence to the hypothesis that
maybe they really weren't planning to kill that Cassie.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
But I just know the tape.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
I really feel like they were going to.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
Especially with the last part where it's like literally him screaming,
we just killed Cassie. This is not an effing joke.
We just left her house crazy. Tory laughs like they're
moncle me. Yeah. Absolutely. Investigators had also gotten warrants to
search both Brian and Tory's bedrooms, and so they found
(47:14):
Brian's website dedicated to Columbine. They also found from Tory's
laptop kitty porn. What yeah, children, children and you dude,
I hope they tacked an extra. I don't think they did.
So let's go to their sentencing.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Those gross little freaks, freaks in a bad way.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
So at the trial they had to play this video footage.
Obviously Brian had they both had separate trials, so Brian
went first, and he tried to make out Tory as
the mastermind. As you'd already kind of discussed. He tried
to say that it was all Tory and that he
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just wanted to scare Cassie and he thought it was
a prank. That was the defense for Brian. And so
they play the tape and luckily, like I had mentioned before,
there's no footage of Cassie physically being murdered or her
body afterwards, so they didn't film that part of it, surprisingly.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Or at least was that just could it have been
something they couldn't recover?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
I think maybe, possibly, oh possibly.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I'm really glad her mom didn't have to.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
I don't think they would have been filming.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Though, because they needed both their hands.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yes, they need both their hands and also when they
get back into the car, Brian starts going on his.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, so the camera was probably in the car.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
So the camera was probably left in the car. So
obviously Brian and Tory were under age. They're only sixteen
at this point, and although Tory did have a knife collection,
they didn't want it to be linked back to them, okay,
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So they asked their eighteen year old friend to go
into this pawn shop. They gave him forty five dollars
to pay for three different knives or four different knives sorry.
One of the knives that they purchased from this pawn
chap had a serrated blade. And then the guy that
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helped them purchase these knives pointed out that when he
brought them back out to Brian and Tory that Brian
made a point to claim ownership of the serrated blade.
So if you remember me saying eleven of the twelve
fatal wounds came from the knife that Brian right claimed,
(49:48):
does that make any difference? Not really? Not really, just
means that he was more.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Either either he had better aim or the blade itself
did his job create a bladzer no joke.
Speaker 3 (50:03):
There was also a note that the court show during
his trial, and they read it aloud to the jury
and it said, I'm becoming more and more obsessed with Columbine.
It seems now that that's all I think about. I
would give anything to go back in time and be
a part of Eric Harris and Dylan Cleebald's lives. They
(50:24):
are my heroes. I will follow in their footsteps and
maybe I'll even meet them.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Wow, that is unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
She talked about unhealthy attachments.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Wow, terrible to laugh about that. But he was just, yeah,
we're laughing because we're uncomfortable. Definitely, I just got the heabs.
Look at these goosies.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
So yeah, when Tory is then brought in to his trial,
he'd try to plead the defense that on the tape,
Brian can be heard saying, oh my god, I just
killed Cassie. I just killed Cassie. Not we just killed Cassie.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Interesting and also.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
The underneath Cassie's fingernails on one of her hands, they
found skin cells of that ordna that belonged to Brian.
They also point out that twelve of the thirteen fatal
wounds came from Brian allegedly supposedly, and that Torri was
(51:34):
just going along with it, and Brian had threatened him,
so they flipped the script.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
They said.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Oh. They also try to use the defense that he
has a learning disability or like a developmental disability, but
that has never been confirmed or proven by like a medical.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Professional, okay, like like ADHD, or.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Like a cognitive They say it's a neuro cognitive deficit. That, yeah,
not specifically ADHD. Whate was like, it doesn't. He doesn't
make it any less of a of your fault, not
any loss.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Of a He can't read good.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
So he has dyslexia.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't know if this is really on him right.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
His mom still and his dad still say that he's innocent.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
They still wrote a book. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
So obviously the jury doesn't buy their bs, and they
take into consideration all of the evidence that's been presented
to them. Both boys are found guilty of first degree
murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility
of parole. They are also sentenced to conspiracy to commit murder,
(52:51):
which is thirty two life, so essentially a double life
sentence no possibility of parole.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
To be served consecutively to be concerned, Yeah, exactly, And
they are both still serving their time at Idaho Idaho.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
State Correctional Institution. They're my age, they're thirty six.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Wow, why do I think.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
They would be? I'm older. I don't know. Two thousand
and six sixteen, I was sixteen.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, that's wild, dude.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah. So there was also another murder that had happened
about fifty yards from where Tory Adamchek lived.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Wait, wait, can I ask you a question first?
Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
About the trial? So did either of the boys testify
against each other?
Speaker 4 (53:36):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (53:38):
No? I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
That's okay.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
No, I don't think that they were allowed to because
they're both Do you mean they didn't.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I just they were supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
There's supposed to be a character witness for Tory, I guess,
and then at the last minute they were unable to
attend the hearing. They're all actually, actually, you're probably not
a very good.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Guy, not really into that, dude. That's crazy, OK. Sorry,
go ahead. So there was another.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Murder so in two thousand and September two thousand and four,
So two years prior to Cassie's murder, there was a
trial for the murder of Nori Jones, and so they
called both Tory and Brian to testify, but neither of
(54:22):
them agreed to, and then the defendant was later found guilty.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
But why did they want them to testify?
Speaker 3 (54:28):
They ad because Tory was a suspect in that murder
as well because it was a there was a sexual
assault and stabbing. Am I stupid art fifty yards from
his house? Did you say that it was before two
years prior? Well, I could see why they would be
interested in And there's also reports that I think it's
(54:53):
actually on video of Tory asking Brian, would you ever
actually kill somebody? Like happy? You ever thought about it?
Actually killing somebody, not just like thinking about it or
fantasizing about it.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Tori says that.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Have you ever thought about doing it?
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Like?
Speaker 3 (55:12):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Real?
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:13):
Really?
Speaker 5 (55:13):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (55:14):
In real life?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Is this real life?
Speaker 3 (55:18):
It's crazy? So they're both throtten in prison. They've obviously
both filed multiple appeals. I think one of them claimed
that it was cruel and unusual punishment for minor.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say they probab charged him as.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, and so they had. So they both filed separate
appeals to the Idaho Supreme Court in September twenty ten,
Adam Chick did, and then in April twenty eleven, Brian
Draper did. Draper was seeking to have his conviction vacated
or to be given a limited life sentence that would
(55:52):
allow for his release of parole after thirty years, which
it still hasn't been thirty years yet they still have
like eleven more years that stupid.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Sorry, no no, I'm like you got this eleven years helping, so.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
He would still have eleven years before he would be
up for parole. They denied both Tory and Draper's appeal
in a three to two decision.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
The High Court vacated Draper's conviction on conspiracy to commit
first degree murders, saying that jurors were given erroneous instructions
on that charge, but they affirmed his conviction for first
degree murder and a life sentence without pearl, so he
had thee Yeah, the conspiracy dropped for some reason. And
then in July twenty fifteen, a hearing for post conviction
(56:44):
relief for Tory was held before State sixth District Magistrate
Judge Mitchell W. Brown. Claim was that testimony from character
witnesses would have changed the outcome of the of the sentencing,
and that his former attorney had chosen not to call
upon these witnesses, so his parents were just like he
(57:06):
could have possibly gotten a lesser sentencing because of these
character witnesses. In March twenty sixteen, Judge Brown denied the
request good and Tory's council appealed to Judge Brown. Judge
Brown's decision again to the Supreme Court, the Idaho Supreme Court,
and then they ejected the appeal and upheld his uh
(57:27):
the district court decision.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Jesus Christ himself could come down from the sky okay
and testify, and I would have been like, too bad,
you're done.
Speaker 3 (57:36):
So Tory keeps trying to get this sentencing overturned. He
still swears up and down that he didn't have as
much to do with it, and that Brian was the
ringleader and the one that killed Cassie. Brian has been
in interviews and you can hear him stutter yes, but
(58:01):
also you can hear him talking about it and he
sounds like he's remorseful, but he's psychopath So can that
be considered true remorse right? It's just I can't even.
I can't even. So they're both in prison for the
(58:21):
rest of their lives and hopefully they remain there, and
if there's any updates on their appeals, I'll let y'all know, yeah,
because obviously they're still sitting in prison, and the last
court sentence that they had was in March two thousand
and two, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (58:37):
I like, truly, I don't know. I am so all
over the place with my feelings about juveniles being sentenced
to life. I do struggle with that a lot, because
when you are young like that, sometimes you don't think
things through. But the fact was they got caught and
(59:01):
didn't seem to have really any remorse at all.
Speaker 3 (59:05):
Well, like I said, Tori still and his parents are
still saying that he does he didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, like take some ownership right, right, and maybe things
might work out for you. I don't know. That's that's wild.
That's a crazy case. Who uh who?
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Preston. My friend Preston Pace suggested this case. Preston, there
was something that wasn't I think you, Preston case to us,
I will say, this is really cute. For her funeral.
For Cassie's funeral, it was held October first, two thousand
and six, and over five hundred people from the community
(59:41):
showed up Cassie's family after her murder started pumpkins for
Cassie to honor her memory. So the pumpkins were manned
by Sawder's grandmother and a friend, and also provided a
chance for community members to help the Pocatello Animal Shelter
or the Idaho Food Bank. So anyone who made a
donation was given a pumpkin.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Oh, pumpkins for Cassie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I'm gonna say this off the record. If I ever
die and it's around Halloween, I hope somebody does something
Halloween for me.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I'm gonna dress up at your I'm gonna dress up
as Sam and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Be like, yeah right. Call it a fellowship for Sahara
where everybody just pretends to be a member of a fellowship.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Same, I would say, same, Yes, So gotcha girl. That
is the wild and terrible, tragic, tragic my god, no,
cut all that. Yeah, that's the tragic case of Cassie,
Joe sat and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Those little scummy dummies. Scummy, the scummy dummies.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Little scummy. Yeah, y'all. If you have any case corrections,
coffee shop suggestions, or sweet treats, I've given up on
the recipes.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
We tried.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Guys, I'm gonna get a hair, a wild hair at
some point and be like, oh, especially when as Fallow
is approaching and were like, hey, guess what.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Once we get that crispness in there, I'll be like, oh, guys,
They'll setting out like secret texts dms to the followers, like, hey, guys,
ask can just to make me some banana bread.
Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Oh my gosh, I actually have three bananas that are
very right right now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
I have two. I could give them to you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
You have to make cause.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
But yeah, either way, any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Anyway, all that stuff, and like I said, I'm going
to try to set up a phone number that you
guys can reach out to you and leave voicemails because
that sounds fun, super fun, or it might even do
like Collins at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
The world is our oyster be so fun?
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Anyway, do you have something?
Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I was just gonna say, thank you again, oh so
much for being here with us. We love you guys
so much. Please like or rate the show. It really helps.
If I say so much one more time, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Just so much, so much comment on You can interact
with us on Spotify too, and We don't know that
I'll actually see those, but I do all the other
social media stuff, so I'll try to keep those in mind.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Megan from Breaking Bread Reno commented on there, so we
I did talk to her a little bit, so hi
megaes and thank you Angel. And then of course we
have merch. We have a new design almost done with it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for this design, you guys.
I'm not going to spoil it, no spoilers, but Sahara
knocked it out of the park and I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Thanks. I was on my photoshop very long time, so
we'll be posting that stuff up there. So yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
For any of these items and things that we just engined,
you can hit us up on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
At scream dot and Dot Sugar Dot podcast on Facebook,
Scream and Sugar True Cram Coffee Hour on TikTok, Scream
dot and Dot Sugar, or hit us up on the
Gmail Scream and Sugar Reno at gmail dot com. And
until next time, y'all, stay spooky. Bye bye child a
(01:03:24):
all re war perfect niel do.
Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Hooka teller. You bought her, never mind, you bought her,
you brought her, You brought her
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