February 25, 2025 • 62 mins
A few weeks ago, the Abbeville Institute hosted a webinar on the Confederate Constitution of 1861. We have covered this document in the past, but getting a refresher is good. Join GCB and Moose as we learn some more about the Confederate Constitution. You can support the Abbeville Institute at https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org, and you can watch the lecture at • The Confederate Constitution of 1861
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Now that that they a uh and and and and
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Anyway, before we get this episode kicked off. Do you
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Disclaimer?
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Yeah, the views of the beings expressed this broadcast or
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us who are expressing them. But before we get kicked
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one that we want to put out that Kennedy Twins
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The Sons of Confederate Veterans, America's oldest continuously operating veterans organization,
encourages all Americans to perform their patriotic duty and vote
in the upcoming election. Our republic depends upon your involvement
from the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Be a patriot vote.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That took an uncomfortable amount of time to edit.
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Yeah, sorry, the YouTube was playing another video in my
ears right when, right when we were doing that, and
I was trying to get tonight's video pulled up. So anyway,
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tonight we are going to do a just because it's
an hour and twenty minute video or twenty eight minute video.
We're probably gonna stop this about the halfway point. I
have only seen five minutes of this video. I have
not seen the entire thing. But this video is dealing
with the Confederate Constitution. Is done by the Abbeville Institute
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in a webinar they did a couple of weeks ago
that I wanted to attend, but again I couldn't because
we were right in the middle of my busy time
of the year. But luckily Abby Bill has put it
online for everybody to go and watch. So definitely go
watch the full video. We're going to only cover a
little bit of it. I do have my pocket Confederate Constitution. Actually, actually,
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this was a really good, neat pamphlet that the UDC
put out back in the I believe the sixties or seventies,
but it's kind of it's kind of dated, but it's
you know, very very cool. Would love for would love
for for, you know, the SEV to do that as
a little promotional item one of these days. So yeah,
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Yes, my WiFi is hanging on by God's will.
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Oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Okay, welcome to our October twenty twenty four abbeybal Institute
Zoom webinar on the Confederate Constitution. We're very excited to
have you here, and of course we're excited to have
both of our panelists. We're having a little av problem,
some technical issues with Don Livingson, but we do have
Marshall DeRosso On with us. Unfortunately, he made it through
the Hurricane Milton issue unscathed. That we was telling me
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before we got on here. They had a tornado right
near his house. So it's great that Marshall made it
through that. Okay, so's a lot of damage in his neighborhood,
but he has power. He's up and with us, so
we're happy to have him here. If you don't know
who Marshall is, I don't know why you wouldn't. I
first came across his book on the Confederate Constitution of
eighteen sixty one back in the late nineties. He wrote
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that book in nineteen ninety one. It is the most
important book ever written on the topic. I don't think
that's a stretch to say nothing has ever been produced
that's better or more comprehensive. And of course he's also
done a lot of work with not just the Confederate Constitution,
but also the Confederate legal system. He used to be
he's retired now, professor of political science at Florida Atlantic University.
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But he is now, I think, he tells me getting
back in the workforce. Unfortunately, so he's but he has
a servant's heart. He is a board member of the
Abbe Bail Institute. He is a friend and someone who
is just so good at what he does with the
Confederate Constitution. So it's great to have him here. And
I'm going to turn it over to him, and I
think he's going to talk about a new book that
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he has coming out on this particular topic, and so
it's going to be exciting to hear that. So Marshall,
I'm going to turn it on over to you.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Hey, thank you, Brian, and welcome to all the participants.
Let's see should I want to share my screen? So
let's see if that's.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Going to work.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
What I'd like to do, Brian is talk about the
Confederate Constitution. But in the particular manner and to make
it relevant more American political situation. So I'm just going
to take a small slice of the Confederate Constitution and
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try to make a case why it was and is
today still relevant. So I'm going to share my screen
and everybody should be familiar with this. If not, it
might be shocking to you, but this will give us
a good sort of window and to where we are
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politically in the United States of America. And this is
the debt clock, the US debt clock, so to give
you an idea of what the Confederates were trying to
mitigate against, and that was the expansion and growth of
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political power, which the other side of political power is
economic power. So let's take a look at the United
States in so far as its fiscal situation today, and
that's what this debt clock helps us to do. And
for those that might watch this months or a year
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from now, today is October the eleventh, twenty twenty four,
and all these numbers are going up, up, up, so
this could be dated day dated information within a year
to five years. So let's look into the left corner
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the US national debt, the US national debt. If you
look at the center of the screen gives you a
definition of what that is. The national public debt outstanding
represents the face amount or principal amount of the marketable
and non marketable securities currently outstanding. So the state's government,
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it's close to thirty six trillion. That's with the t
trillion dollars in debt. That comes to one hundred and
five thousand dollars per citizen, and the debt per taxpayer
is close to three hundred thousand. So if you look
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at those numbers, see that almost two thirds of so
called American citizens are not going to be held responsible
for this debt. It's only the taxers, and it's a
minority of American citizens that actually pay taxes in so
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far as the federal income tax. If you continue to
look down on that left corner, the US federal spending,
the official is close to seven trillion dollars for this
fiscal year. The actual is over seven trillion. Because the
US government cooks the numbers. That leaves us with the deficit,
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a spending deficit, a federal budget deficit of over two
trillion dollars. And if you could look at some of
the other numbers, quickly take a break look at them.
We paid so far interest on the national debt over
five trillion dollars. The US total debt is over one
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hundred two trillion dollars. The interest paid on that debt
and that's one trillion dollars. So these numbers, I'm not
going to go over it. You can see student loan
debt per student and so on. You could look at
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the total revenue the US government's collecting. You could look
at the and that includes excise taxes in so far
as we can't see it because of the screen, we
push this down. So in excise taxes, that's everybody pays,
whether you pay federal income tax or not, if you
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purchase gasoline, for example. So the excise tax is eighty
three billion dollars. But this just gives an idea that national, state,
local municipal is in debt up to its sears. But
we're going to focus on the US national thing and
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how that came about, and so far that we're supposed
to have a limited government. But when we're talking about debt,
that means all Americans to a certain extent are debtors,
and we're responsible for this one way or the other.
And let me see if I could find that number,
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the total debt to GDP ratio that's the gross domestic product,
is close to one hundred percent. So what I'm getting
at is this is unsustainable. The US government is in
debt to such an extent that it can never be repaid.
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So that means there are creditors to this debt. This
money is owed to somebody, and when they loan the
US government that money, whether in the US Treasury, nodes, bonds, whatever,
they expected some type of return on their lending to
the US government, which isn't going to happen. So how
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did this happen? How did we get into a position
where the Americans are in a position and the US
government of being in a financial crisis way beyond the
capacity to ever meet the obligations of that crisis. And
it's because of a flood constitution, the US Constitution, and
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this was an incremental procescess, but many during the Constitutional
Convention in Philadelphia are notable anti Federals expected something like
this to happen. And as we went from the American
Revolution to the ratification of the Constitution to the War
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between the States, things started to get exponentially more. Let's
say critical and so far as being a government that's
responsible and based upon the consent of the government. Now
I'm going to get to the consent of the governed
momentarily because it might just be this is the type
of government that the American people want. Because if I
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were to go back to that debt clock, consumer debt
is at about the same rate as governmental debt. So
in many ways, those horrible numbers that the financial crisis
of the US government is in is a reflection of
consumer debt and what the general population is it. We
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are a debtor nation. We are in a certain sense
slaves to our creditors. So when you think about how
this happened, I'm not going to go into the specifics
in the details, but there are certain constitutional cases the
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US Supreme Court adjudicated in the early quarter of the
nineteenth century that gave a tremendous amount of power to
the United United States Congress through Article one, Section three,
Article one, Section eight, Class three, the Commerce powers of
the United States Congress. So the Congress was given power
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over the economy essentially. Now, remember the US Constitution was
to limit governmental power but also to empower the government
to do certain things. But that became distewarted as a
result of the political process. So the Confederates, by eighteen
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sixty one, this is something that had been percolating up,
realized that the US Congress was getting out of hand,
primarily through tariffs, internal improvements, nothing compared to what we
have today. But they could see that there was something
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wrong in the political process. It's what best y'all refers
to as plunder. Government was being used to plunder. The
people that controlled the government were plundering those to their
benefit and to the detriment of the people that had
to pay the taxes and occur of the financial responsibilities
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of this redistribution of financial power to the benefit of
one group to the expense of the other, and the
Southerners normally came out on the short end of that stick.
But with that being said, my point is that we
currently are in a financial crisis, and the financial crisis
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is that we are in debt that can never be repaid.
There's depreciated the value of the dollar, and it is
increasingly getting worse. So when we take a look at
the Confederate Constitution, my point is that under the Confederate Constitution,
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this would not have happened. And I'm going to point
out certain parts of the Confederate Constitution where the Confederates,
the framers of the Confederate Constitution made modifications to the
US Constitution because they were, in the words of John C. Calhoun,
meeting danger on the frontier. They saw the trajectory of
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where the US government was going, So secession and everything
else aside. Even if secession had never occurred, but you
still have the constitutional crisis. And in eighteen sixty eighteen
sixty one, there was an attempt to have a constitutional
convention to modify the US Constitution to prevent this type
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of derailment of what the framers had in mind, specifically
the anti federalists. This is some of the things that
the US Constitution today may have been incorporated by the
Southern statesman to preventvent this financial crisis that we are
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in today. So when you think about the Confederate Constitution,
it's not sort of an atavistic type of thing thinking
about the war and secession, even though those are extremely important.
It's about the limit of governmental power and trying to
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limit its infringement upon the fundamental rights, especially the property
rights of the people with whom they have jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Op.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
So just think about this and as you walk away
from my presentation, one deliverable for me to you, who
is this that the Confederate framers were fighting for a
just cause, And that's governmental tyranny, the taranny for our
property rights, not to mention our liberty and our life.
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Those are separate issues. We don't have time to go
into them, but they're are is matters and said related.
If the government can infringe upon your property rights, it
won't be long before your liberty and even your life
will be subject to their oppression. So Article one, Section eight,
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Clause one if the Confederate Constitution, it sounds very similar
to the US Constitution. It reads, the Congress shall have
the power to lay and collect taxes, duties inposts, and
excises for revenue necessary to pay the debts, provide for
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the common defense, and carry on the government of the
Confederate States. And here's where there's a modification. But no
bounties shall be granted from the treasury. Nor shall any
duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid
to promote, to promote, or foster any branch of industry.
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And all duties, imposts, and exercises shall be uniformed throughout
the Confederate States. So, in other words, you cannot The
Congress did not. The Confederate Congress was denied the power
to use its Article one, Section eight powers to impose bounties.
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What's about. It's a form of plunder from the US
Treasury on imports. The next clause to regulate commerce. And
this is key because it relates to what I just read,
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to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among the several states,
and with the Indian tribes. And here's the modification. But
neither this nor any other clause contained in the Constitution
shall ever be construed to get delegate the power to
Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to
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facilitate commerce. And then it gives some exceptions like lighthouses
and things like that. But this addressed the concern of
the Southerners because they were the victims of the Northern
State's policies. The Congress cannot use its power for internal
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improvements subsidizing the building the canals, railroads, so on and
so forth, and today that would include interstate highways. Think
about that. Let me go down to another one and
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there are many. I'm just reading a few. This has
cost seven. The Congress has the power to establish post
offices and post routes. Here's the modification. But the expenses
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of post office departments after the first day of March
in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and sixty
three shall be paid out of its own revenues. No
subsidies for the Confederate post Office after the first by
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eighteen sixty three. Now that might seem unimportant, but you
could think about where we are today the United States
Post Office, how it's inefficient. But even going back to
the first part of the nineteenth century, it's amazing how
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postmaster generals like mister Lincoln that was one of the
biggest patronage positions and a stepping stone to political prominence
in early American history. And the Confederate said no more
of this, the Confederate post office. And Lysander Spooner writes
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about this, He's tried to get him start his own
private post office in the US government shutting down. This
is in the early part of the mid nineteenth century.
But think about it. That shows a commitment to accountability
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and efficiency that the Confederate States of America would have
a privatized post office. Not only does that probably make
more efficient delivery of mail services, but it removes a
tremendous amount of patronage in the Confederate political system. So
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post offices were ripe for corruption, political patronage, and bureaucratic inefficiencies.
The post office department was the means for the political
party in power to reward its supporters through appointing postmasters
and issuing transport contracts. Local postmasters, for example, could send
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and receive mail free of charge. They were also entitled
to deliver it to the delivery of newspapers free of charge.
As the nation grew territorially and economically, riverboat, stagecoach, and
railroad companies flex their political muscles to secure contracts to
transport the mail. The system became financially untenable and would
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collapse without the US Congress subsidizing the inefficiencies. The Confederate
States inherited this postal system and gave the US the
Confederate post Office postal service two years to sink or swin.
So when we talk about a post office in that
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period of American political development, it's not just the post
office newspapers, stage coaches, railroad companies. They were all intertwined
in this corrupt process of plunder. And I could say
more about that. There are many examples about newspapers and
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how postmasters would do certain things for editors and so forth,
and the editors would promote their political careers, so on
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
But this is what was.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Happening in early American history, not unlike what happens today,
but on a much smaller scale. Go back to Article one,
Section eight.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Congress mind from the treasure except by a bout of
two firms of both houses. Now think about this, if
this was applicable into the Congress today, taken by yeas
and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by
someone at the heads of the department, submitted to Congress
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by the President, or for the purpose of paying its
own expenses and contingencies.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
So any money spent in the Confederate Congresses that would
come out of the Confederate Treasury had to be approved
by a two thirds vote of the House, not a
simple majority. A two thirds vote unless the request came
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from the office of the President, then it could be
a majority vote. But the president of the Confederacy served
only one term, a six year one term once again,
and this was prior to the Penston Act with the
Civil Service. An attempt to remove the patrony, the corruption
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from the political process. This provision incentivized Congress needs to
collaborate with the President or the executive branch department heads
to support their legislative proposed. Without executive branch support, their
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legislative proposals would require a two thirds vote of the
Congress for passage. And that's certainly much more difficult to
get a two thirds vote. Think about the omnibus spells
that are passing through the Congress today, thousands and thousands
of pages writers put off pork bear of projects. Every
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one of those items would have to stand alone and
be subjected to a two thirds vote of the Congress
unless it was requested for by the executive branch. There's
another provision. I'll keep that debt clock in mind. You
know this tremendous financial crisis that we find ourselves in,
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not we, but the United States government, trillions and trillions
of dollars in debt. Let me stip down because I
want to keep it relatively brief. This is from Section ten.
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All bills appropriating money shall specify in federal currency the
exact amount of each appropriation and for the purposes for
which it is made. And Congress shall no compensation. Now
think about this. This is the Confederate Congress shall grant
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no compensation to any public contract, officer, agent, or servant
at there's such contracts have been made for such services rendered.
You signed a contract with the Confederate government. That's the contract.
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You can't come back and say, we didn't anticipate it's
going to cost more. So, once again, efficiency, accountability to
the taxpayers to the Confederacy. Here's another in an Article one,
section eight at the Confederate Constitution, every law resolution having
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the force of law shall relate to but one subject,
and that shall be expressed in the title. So, as
an American citizen, you could say, what's the title of
that bill, Oh, this is what it's about. But every
law and resolution one topic, one subject, not packed to
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a multi thousand page omnibus bill that nobody ever reads
except the lobbyists that incorporated or put the bill together.
When I say nobody, I'm including the people in the Congress.
So this provision ended the omnibus bills through which legislators
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would attach proposals to a bill, sometimes related and oftentimes unrelated.
Let me give you an example. In twenty twenty one,
President Trump signed the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act. The Act
is over two thousand pages long, appropriated two point three
trillion dollars in twelve separate appropriations. Congressional debate and oversight,
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for the most part, were negligible, if non existence, with
most of the act being the work of lobbyists and
congressional status Let's think about that. Let's go back to
the post office, lobbyist and congressional stat who's getting the
benefit here? Where's the representation of the people in their
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congressional districts. Unlike the Confederate President, President Trump did not
have the option to line Item veto provisions in the bill,
not to say that he would have. It's obvious that
ominous bills are covered for the wheeling and dealing the
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political class, avoiding the requisite accountability required by a system
of governing based upon the informed consent of the government.
You can't be informed if you're trying to digest a
two thousand page bill spending over two trillion dollars. Let's
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quickly shift to the executive branch of the Confederacy. Article two,
The executive power shall be invested in that President of
the Confederate States of America. He and the Vice President
shall hold their offices for the term of six years,
but the president shall not be re eligible. Now, a
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six year term member for the president is in star
contrast to the US Constitution's four year term with unlimited
re election opportunities. Even though the even though President Washington
set the president of serving a maximum of two terms
for a total of eight years, primarily because he feared
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the election of the president would evolve into a lifetime appointment,
it wasn't until nineteen fifty one that the US president
was limited to two terms. The Confederates did in eighteen
sixty one. Political patronage corruption was is the mother's milk
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of presidential electoral success. Unlimited terms will provide the president
with the opportunity to enhance executive power via the patronage system.
The CSA constitution constitutional six term limits did not eliminate
political patronage, but it didn't mitigate it against morphing into
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an unyielding political force. You're always going to have political
patronage and so, but at least the Confederates realized that
you need to put constraints on it and limits beyond
what the US Constitution at that time.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Provided there's another party Confederate president, the President may improve
any appropriation and disapproved any other approach in the same boild,
and in such cases show and signing the bill that
make the appropriation disapproved, and so have a copy of
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such appropriation with his objections to the House in which
in which the bills.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
Have originated in the same city. For then he takes
a bother bill bill. This is the group by the president.
This is provision of.
Speaker 7 (47:27):
All the president of the power of the line item veto,
something that Conservatives have been trying to get into the
US Constitution for the last twenty thirty years, which takes
substantially could tells the power the Congress to hold the
President captive to accept legislative manipulation. For example, if the
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Congress passes the funding bill that ten percent of which
the President disapproves without the line item veto, he has
to sign the bill and except the ten percent, So
this is a double check. In the Confederate Constitution, the
Congress is limited one subject for resolution law two thirds
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vote if it's not asked for requested by either the
President or department within the executive branch. And then on
the other side of the capital, the President can limit
the Congress again through the line out in veto. So
this is accountability. Now let's go back to the Trump Bill,
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the appropriations bill for over two trillion dollars. It was
over two thousand pages long. The Congress passed that late.
The President had basically ten days to either sign it
or veto. It would be very difficult getting a bill
and over two thousand pages long and finding those parts
of the bill that needed to be a lineout and
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be toed out. But this way it would be one
bill that goes to the president nowhere near two thousand pages.
So each department would have to submit a bill, and
the president in the Confederacy could line item veto out
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those provisions he thought unacceptable for whatever reason. Then the
House or the Senate where the bill originated, could override
the president's vita with the two thirds vote. Once again,
an enhancement of the checks and balances, And there are
(49:37):
more here. This more I could talk about, but let
me see, I know we want to hear from Professor
of Livingston. They also made provisions for the separation from
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the It's not like they were walking away from the
financial obligations. Once they established the Confederate States of America,
they made provisions to make sure those financial obligations were met.
They established commission and so on. But the key here
is going back to the screen. This deck clock just
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based upon the few provisions of the Confederate Constitution that
I reviewed very quickly, this would be highly unlikely under
a system, a political system constrained by the terms of
the Confederate Constitution. And what does that mean for Americans?
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Or if the Confederacy were to be left alone and
survived and prospered. Means more accountable government, more money in
your pocket, the money that you earned, and more freedom.
In other words, when you think about the Confederate Constitution,
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b's av the US Constitution, particularly where we are today.
And when I say where we are today, I know
I'm preaching to the choir here, But think about globalism
COVID nineteen, Think about tax rates, Think about the intrusion
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not only of the national government, but state and local
into the affairs that should be the domain of the family.
Through the educational system. There are so many examples where
government has become so intrusive and the laws of Americans
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and so overbearing that we almost don't even realize it
because it's been incremental. We think that a little change here,
little change there, that we're going to be free. But
that's why Emmy Bradford said or made the claim that
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conservatism is not the way to think about our current situation,
because there's nothing left to conserve. We could slow the
trend and buy ourselves a little bit of time, But
what we have to think about is the reactionary imperitive.
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If you really love your freedom and a limited government,
you certainly don't want to conserve what we have now,
what we have ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty
years ago. We need a reactionary imperative to go back
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to the basics, to the extent that when we think
about what it means to be an American, and Southerners
were Americans, remember the Confederate States of America. They were
more American thinking about seventeen seventy six than their adversaries.
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What it means to be an American is to be
free with a certain level of government very much constrained
and accountable to the govern their informed consent. So one way,
and this is why it's been demonized by those who
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take the opposite position. One way to initiate that reactionary
parent is not to go back to seventeen eighty nine
in the US Constitution, as grand an attempt as that was,
but to return to eighteen sixty one, where they saw
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the flaws in the US Constitution and made requisite changes
to fix those falls and to restore the freedom that
comes not from government but from the Creator. So that's
why my focus on the Confederate Constitution is sort of
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laser beam, because they were there on the ground. They
saw the trajectory of where the US was headed as
early as eighteen sixty one. It's hard for us to
really because we think may be great to return to
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the days of Reagan. Anybody who pays attention the days
of Reagan. He put the brakes on certain things, but
the trend towards oppression continued. And you have to give
the man of the South the credit they deserve because
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they were willing to fight and die for the principles
of seventeen seventy six that our rights come from the Creator. Life, liberty,
and property. But how do we operationalize those the US Constitution, Yes,
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the Confederate Constitution a double yes, because it was a correction,
an attempt to fix the flaws of the US Constitution.
And with that said, to turn it back over to Ryan,
So let me.
Speaker 6 (56:07):
All right, Thank you Marshall. Excellent as always. And uh,
are you do you have a new book coming down
on the Confederate Constitution or you're you're working on something
with that. I know you're working on something with Confederate
case law.
Speaker 7 (56:21):
Yeah, this well, thanks to the insightful comments of Professor Livingston,
this has been a long term check. So it started
out as a more or less the book on Confederate
case law.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
All right, so we're gonna go ahead and pause right there.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
You know that there was a lot of information to digest, which,
of course, and we talked about in a BRIEFUS episode,
how how the framers and Confederate constitutions took the took
the US Constitution try to fix it and and what
would have you know, what could have been. We will
watch the second half with doctor Livingstone at a later date. Uh,
(57:04):
it is seven fifty eight and we have a long
evening plan for tomorrow night. So we are gonna that
was a good stopping point for us, but we'll we'll
pick that up probably in about two weeks, I would say. Yeah,
sounds awesome. Yeah, the eighteenth, So definitely go ahead and
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(57:49):
All that is really some some interesting thinking material. But
just as our final reminder to everybody, uh, we know
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Go vote, Go vote. Vote with candidate that you believe
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is best suited for your needs. And remember that the
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in Jackson, that's you know, etched in or carved in
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Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, tomorrow we'll probably end up hopefully hopefully there it's
decided one way or another by ten o'clock tomorrow evening,
but if it's not, we will go until from six
until ten. So yeah, free bird, Yeah, because I'm not
(59:54):
wanting to be up. I want to be locked in
this bunker till after ten o'clock tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I say, how long was it for the election results
last term? It was like two in the morning or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
No, it was like two or three weeks. Oh yeah, yeah,
we're not going to do it that long. Hope hopefully
that one way or the other it'll be. It'll be
I know which way I wanted to land, but hopefully
it'll it'll be early ish night, but we will be
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on to discuss bring up stuff and everything like that.
So that'll be tomorrow night on the Stars and Bars
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Michael Hardy. He will be on for real. Last week
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when I announced that, I kind of have a week's
mixed up. So either we'll have Michael C. Hardy on
next Monday, and if something happens, we'll finish up with
the second half of the show. But not, we'll do
it in two thanks. So anyway, uh moose and the
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Okay, I didn't know if I was in the show,
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A
Shad well as.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You boys talking out acrosst Dix and Lands.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And you see me look little sad.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The Chapi man.
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A lot of Fred train rolling, bringing truth bombs down,
then floating the Southland Waterway out of time, silent what
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we at time?
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Chat's not now.
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Deleting that comment.
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Lies, Bro. You were you were? You were? You were?
I was coming my mustache. You you were digging for
gold backstage? You were you were? You were?
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You were?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
At least you know like I.
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Had, Like, yeah, I had that much in there.
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Did not meet any obstructions, that's for sure.
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It's good to be back.
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I guess you missed me for the month that I
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I did mainly because I hate producing the shows by myself.
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Yeah, well I gotta. I got a fun one that
I get to produce by myself for the most part tomorrow.
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Uh no, no, no, I uh since I joined late,
I guess I'll tell everybody I'll have I'll dip out
of this episode a bit early tonight everyone, But that
is so I can get some work done so I
can be there for.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Some of tomorrow.
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I won't be there for all of it, but I
will come in and out and stay there for a while,
so poor GCB isn't just staring at the screen wishing
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We'll be doing that.
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Uh.
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I you know, when I was in college, my primary
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I'm I'm I've been nerd out.
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Name of it, yeah, well all of that, and and
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I'll think we'll be lighting it up tomorrow. I'm probably
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The people who get picked walk off.
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set their clocks back. A heart attack, Yeah, I have
had a heart attack this morning on my way into
work as I'm like, uh, this didn't daylight safe right
(09:13):
on my hard clock.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
So you know, what's a perk of living on the
farm and a downside of living on the farm. The cows, Well,
the cows, but I mean the cows are up. But
one of the downside is the fact that you know,
I sleep pretty hard, so my alarms are pretty loud.
And my father had the dismay this morning of being
(09:36):
woken up at six in the morning because I forgot
to set my clock back, so instead of getting up
at seven like normal. Uh, I started getting ready for
the day at six, and uh kind of took me.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
A while to figure out.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So I'm sure he was very pleased that I woke
him up an hour early for work.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
So yeah, Well, when I talked to him this morning
on my way in he was, he's some kind of please.
Oh that's good.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Maybe my alarm clock will still be there when I
get home it's not outside.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
It's either that or you know, he you know, changed
the lots on him.
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Well, I mean either or. Honestly, Uh, I will agree
with past Commander in Chief Moose, Shenangans are necessary to
maintains Shenanigans.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Here we go again, right that time them hooked on
Phinex lessons we got him for his birthday pan author Dubbo.
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And uh yeah, a lot of a lot of stuff
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same for me.
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Uh.
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Producing the those fifty second videos y'all have been seeing
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to produce a lot of stuff. And uh, poor GCB
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Speaker 6 (11:28):
The majority of the day.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Now that that they a uh and and and and
we'll get on topic here in a little bit, which
this is probably gonna be a multi part episode. Uh,
just just to to let y'all know. The video that
you will see is the intro. I am a semi
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If I'm going to do a voice over, it's I
wanted to be word perfect. I want it to be
you know, flowing cadence.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Right.
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
Anyway, before we get this episode kicked off. Do you
want to bring it up?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Disclaimer?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, the views of the beings expressed this broadcast or
not necessarily those the s cvhgc it's executive director, nor
any division, brigades, camps, or the subsidiary, strictly those of
us who are expressing them. But before we get kicked
off on the Abbeyville video, I do want to share
one that we want to put out that Kennedy Twins
(13:24):
I believe wrote and you can find it on our
SCV chat YouTube page. Definitely shared out guys, especially tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
The Sons of Confederate Veterans, America's oldest continuously operating veterans organization,
encourages all Americans to perform their patriotic duty and vote
in the upcoming election. Our republic depends upon your involvement
from the Sons of Confederate Veterans. Be a patriot vote.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
That took an uncomfortable amount of time to edit.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, sorry, the YouTube was playing another video in my
ears right when, right when we were doing that, and
I was trying to get tonight's video pulled up. So anyway,
(14:33):
tonight we are going to do a just because it's
an hour and twenty minute video or twenty eight minute video.
We're probably gonna stop this about the halfway point. I
have only seen five minutes of this video. I have
not seen the entire thing. But this video is dealing
with the Confederate Constitution. Is done by the Abbeville Institute
(14:54):
in a webinar they did a couple of weeks ago
that I wanted to attend, but again I couldn't because
we were right in the middle of my busy time
of the year. But luckily Abby Bill has put it
online for everybody to go and watch. So definitely go
watch the full video. We're going to only cover a
little bit of it. I do have my pocket Confederate Constitution. Actually, actually,
(15:18):
this was a really good, neat pamphlet that the UDC
put out back in the I believe the sixties or seventies,
but it's kind of it's kind of dated, but it's
you know, very very cool. Would love for would love
for for, you know, the SEV to do that as
a little promotional item one of these days. So yeah,
(15:44):
before we get kicked off, just because you know, we
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Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, I had to set up the episode moose, did
you freeze?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, my WiFi is hanging on by God's will.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Okay, we'll stop doing the thumbs up and I won't
be doing that anyway without further ado. Let's get kicked off. Sure,
and we actually see we have a premium YouTube Premium
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Speaker 5 (17:19):
Oh, thank goodness.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
Okay, welcome to our October twenty twenty four abbeybal Institute
Zoom webinar on the Confederate Constitution. We're very excited to
have you here, and of course we're excited to have
both of our panelists. We're having a little av problem,
some technical issues with Don Livingson, but we do have
Marshall DeRosso On with us. Unfortunately, he made it through
the Hurricane Milton issue unscathed. That we was telling me
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before we got on here. They had a tornado right
near his house. So it's great that Marshall made it
through that. Okay, so's a lot of damage in his neighborhood,
but he has power. He's up and with us, so
we're happy to have him here. If you don't know
who Marshall is, I don't know why you wouldn't. I
first came across his book on the Confederate Constitution of
eighteen sixty one back in the late nineties. He wrote
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that book in nineteen ninety one. It is the most
important book ever written on the topic. I don't think
that's a stretch to say nothing has ever been produced
that's better or more comprehensive. And of course he's also
done a lot of work with not just the Confederate Constitution,
but also the Confederate legal system. He used to be
he's retired now, professor of political science at Florida Atlantic University.
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But he is now, I think, he tells me getting
back in the workforce. Unfortunately, so he's but he has
a servant's heart. He is a board member of the
Abbe Bail Institute. He is a friend and someone who
is just so good at what he does with the
Confederate Constitution. So it's great to have him here. And
I'm going to turn it over to him, and I
think he's going to talk about a new book that
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he has coming out on this particular topic, and so
it's going to be exciting to hear that. So Marshall,
I'm going to turn it on over to you.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Hey, thank you, Brian, and welcome to all the participants.
Let's see should I want to share my screen? So
let's see if that's.
Speaker 8 (19:10):
Going to work.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
What I'd like to do, Brian is talk about the
Confederate Constitution. But in the particular manner and to make
it relevant more American political situation. So I'm just going
to take a small slice of the Confederate Constitution and
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try to make a case why it was and is
today still relevant. So I'm going to share my screen
and everybody should be familiar with this. If not, it
might be shocking to you, but this will give us
a good sort of window and to where we are
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politically in the United States of America. And this is
the debt clock, the US debt clock, so to give
you an idea of what the Confederates were trying to
mitigate against, and that was the expansion and growth of
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political power, which the other side of political power is
economic power. So let's take a look at the United
States in so far as its fiscal situation today, and
that's what this debt clock helps us to do. And
for those that might watch this months or a year
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from now, today is October the eleventh, twenty twenty four,
and all these numbers are going up, up, up, so
this could be dated day dated information within a year
to five years. So let's look into the left corner
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the US national debt, the US national debt. If you
look at the center of the screen gives you a
definition of what that is. The national public debt outstanding
represents the face amount or principal amount of the marketable
and non marketable securities currently outstanding. So the state's government,
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it's close to thirty six trillion. That's with the t
trillion dollars in debt. That comes to one hundred and
five thousand dollars per citizen, and the debt per taxpayer
is close to three hundred thousand. So if you look
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at those numbers, see that almost two thirds of so
called American citizens are not going to be held responsible
for this debt. It's only the taxers, and it's a
minority of American citizens that actually pay taxes in so
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far as the federal income tax. If you continue to
look down on that left corner, the US federal spending,
the official is close to seven trillion dollars for this
fiscal year. The actual is over seven trillion. Because the
US government cooks the numbers. That leaves us with the deficit,
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a spending deficit, a federal budget deficit of over two
trillion dollars. And if you could look at some of
the other numbers, quickly take a break look at them.
We paid so far interest on the national debt over
five trillion dollars. The US total debt is over one
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hundred two trillion dollars. The interest paid on that debt
and that's one trillion dollars. So these numbers, I'm not
going to go over it. You can see student loan
debt per student and so on. You could look at
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the total revenue the US government's collecting. You could look
at the and that includes excise taxes in so far
as we can't see it because of the screen, we
push this down. So in excise taxes, that's everybody pays,
whether you pay federal income tax or not, if you
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purchase gasoline, for example. So the excise tax is eighty
three billion dollars. But this just gives an idea that national, state,
local municipal is in debt up to its sears. But
we're going to focus on the US national thing and
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how that came about, and so far that we're supposed
to have a limited government. But when we're talking about debt,
that means all Americans to a certain extent are debtors,
and we're responsible for this one way or the other.
And let me see if I could find that number,
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the total debt to GDP ratio that's the gross domestic product,
is close to one hundred percent. So what I'm getting
at is this is unsustainable. The US government is in
debt to such an extent that it can never be repaid.
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So that means there are creditors to this debt. This
money is owed to somebody, and when they loan the
US government that money, whether in the US Treasury, nodes, bonds, whatever,
they expected some type of return on their lending to
the US government, which isn't going to happen. So how
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did this happen? How did we get into a position
where the Americans are in a position and the US
government of being in a financial crisis way beyond the
capacity to ever meet the obligations of that crisis. And
it's because of a flood constitution, the US Constitution, and
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this was an incremental procescess, but many during the Constitutional
Convention in Philadelphia are notable anti Federals expected something like
this to happen. And as we went from the American
Revolution to the ratification of the Constitution to the War
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between the States, things started to get exponentially more. Let's
say critical and so far as being a government that's
responsible and based upon the consent of the government. Now
I'm going to get to the consent of the governed
momentarily because it might just be this is the type
of government that the American people want. Because if I
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were to go back to that debt clock, consumer debt
is at about the same rate as governmental debt. So
in many ways, those horrible numbers that the financial crisis
of the US government is in is a reflection of
consumer debt and what the general population is it. We
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are a debtor nation. We are in a certain sense
slaves to our creditors. So when you think about how
this happened, I'm not going to go into the specifics
in the details, but there are certain constitutional cases the
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US Supreme Court adjudicated in the early quarter of the
nineteenth century that gave a tremendous amount of power to
the United United States Congress through Article one, Section three,
Article one, Section eight, Class three, the Commerce powers of
the United States Congress. So the Congress was given power
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over the economy essentially. Now, remember the US Constitution was
to limit governmental power but also to empower the government
to do certain things. But that became distewarted as a
result of the political process. So the Confederates, by eighteen
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sixty one, this is something that had been percolating up,
realized that the US Congress was getting out of hand,
primarily through tariffs, internal improvements, nothing compared to what we
have today. But they could see that there was something
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wrong in the political process. It's what best y'all refers
to as plunder. Government was being used to plunder. The
people that controlled the government were plundering those to their
benefit and to the detriment of the people that had
to pay the taxes and occur of the financial responsibilities
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of this redistribution of financial power to the benefit of
one group to the expense of the other, and the
Southerners normally came out on the short end of that stick.
But with that being said, my point is that we
currently are in a financial crisis, and the financial crisis
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is that we are in debt that can never be repaid.
There's depreciated the value of the dollar, and it is
increasingly getting worse. So when we take a look at
the Confederate Constitution, my point is that under the Confederate Constitution,
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this would not have happened. And I'm going to point
out certain parts of the Confederate Constitution where the Confederates,
the framers of the Confederate Constitution made modifications to the
US Constitution because they were, in the words of John C. Calhoun,
meeting danger on the frontier. They saw the trajectory of
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where the US government was going, So secession and everything
else aside. Even if secession had never occurred, but you
still have the constitutional crisis. And in eighteen sixty eighteen
sixty one, there was an attempt to have a constitutional
convention to modify the US Constitution to prevent this type
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of derailment of what the framers had in mind, specifically
the anti federalists. This is some of the things that
the US Constitution today may have been incorporated by the
Southern statesman to preventvent this financial crisis that we are
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in today. So when you think about the Confederate Constitution,
it's not sort of an atavistic type of thing thinking
about the war and secession, even though those are extremely important.
It's about the limit of governmental power and trying to
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limit its infringement upon the fundamental rights, especially the property
rights of the people with whom they have jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Op.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
So just think about this and as you walk away
from my presentation, one deliverable for me to you, who
is this that the Confederate framers were fighting for a
just cause, And that's governmental tyranny, the taranny for our
property rights, not to mention our liberty and our life.
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Those are separate issues. We don't have time to go
into them, but they're are is matters and said related.
If the government can infringe upon your property rights, it
won't be long before your liberty and even your life
will be subject to their oppression. So Article one, Section eight,
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Clause one if the Confederate Constitution, it sounds very similar
to the US Constitution. It reads, the Congress shall have
the power to lay and collect taxes, duties inposts, and
excises for revenue necessary to pay the debts, provide for
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the common defense, and carry on the government of the
Confederate States. And here's where there's a modification. But no
bounties shall be granted from the treasury. Nor shall any
duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid
to promote, to promote, or foster any branch of industry.
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And all duties, imposts, and exercises shall be uniformed throughout
the Confederate States. So, in other words, you cannot The
Congress did not. The Confederate Congress was denied the power
to use its Article one, Section eight powers to impose bounties.
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What's about. It's a form of plunder from the US
Treasury on imports. The next clause to regulate commerce. And
this is key because it relates to what I just read,
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to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among the several states,
and with the Indian tribes. And here's the modification. But
neither this nor any other clause contained in the Constitution
shall ever be construed to get delegate the power to
Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to
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facilitate commerce. And then it gives some exceptions like lighthouses
and things like that. But this addressed the concern of
the Southerners because they were the victims of the Northern
State's policies. The Congress cannot use its power for internal
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improvements subsidizing the building the canals, railroads, so on and
so forth, and today that would include interstate highways. Think
about that. Let me go down to another one and
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there are many. I'm just reading a few. This has
cost seven. The Congress has the power to establish post
offices and post routes. Here's the modification. But the expenses
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of post office departments after the first day of March
in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and sixty
three shall be paid out of its own revenues. No
subsidies for the Confederate post Office after the first by
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eighteen sixty three. Now that might seem unimportant, but you
could think about where we are today the United States
Post Office, how it's inefficient. But even going back to
the first part of the nineteenth century, it's amazing how
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postmaster generals like mister Lincoln that was one of the
biggest patronage positions and a stepping stone to political prominence
in early American history. And the Confederate said no more
of this, the Confederate post office. And Lysander Spooner writes
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about this, He's tried to get him start his own
private post office in the US government shutting down. This
is in the early part of the mid nineteenth century.
But think about it. That shows a commitment to accountability
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and efficiency that the Confederate States of America would have
a privatized post office. Not only does that probably make
more efficient delivery of mail services, but it removes a
tremendous amount of patronage in the Confederate political system. So
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post offices were ripe for corruption, political patronage, and bureaucratic inefficiencies.
The post office department was the means for the political
party in power to reward its supporters through appointing postmasters
and issuing transport contracts. Local postmasters, for example, could send
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and receive mail free of charge. They were also entitled
to deliver it to the delivery of newspapers free of charge.
As the nation grew territorially and economically, riverboat, stagecoach, and
railroad companies flex their political muscles to secure contracts to
transport the mail. The system became financially untenable and would
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collapse without the US Congress subsidizing the inefficiencies. The Confederate
States inherited this postal system and gave the US the
Confederate post Office postal service two years to sink or swin.
So when we talk about a post office in that
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period of American political development, it's not just the post
office newspapers, stage coaches, railroad companies. They were all intertwined
in this corrupt process of plunder. And I could say
more about that. There are many examples about newspapers and
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how postmasters would do certain things for editors and so forth,
and the editors would promote their political careers, so on
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
But this is what was.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Happening in early American history, not unlike what happens today,
but on a much smaller scale. Go back to Article one,
Section eight.
Speaker 9 (38:44):
Congress mind from the treasure except by a bout of
two firms of both houses. Now think about this, if
this was applicable into the Congress today, taken by yeas
and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by
someone at the heads of the department, submitted to Congress
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by the President, or for the purpose of paying its
own expenses and contingencies.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
So any money spent in the Confederate Congresses that would
come out of the Confederate Treasury had to be approved
by a two thirds vote of the House, not a
simple majority. A two thirds vote unless the request came
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from the office of the President, then it could be
a majority vote. But the president of the Confederacy served
only one term, a six year one term once again,
and this was prior to the Penston Act with the
Civil Service. An attempt to remove the patrony, the corruption
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from the political process. This provision incentivized Congress needs to
collaborate with the President or the executive branch department heads
to support their legislative proposed. Without executive branch support, their
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legislative proposals would require a two thirds vote of the
Congress for passage. And that's certainly much more difficult to
get a two thirds vote. Think about the omnibus spells
that are passing through the Congress today, thousands and thousands
of pages writers put off pork bear of projects. Every
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one of those items would have to stand alone and
be subjected to a two thirds vote of the Congress
unless it was requested for by the executive branch. There's
another provision. I'll keep that debt clock in mind. You
know this tremendous financial crisis that we find ourselves in,
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not we, but the United States government, trillions and trillions
of dollars in debt. Let me stip down because I
want to keep it relatively brief. This is from Section ten.
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All bills appropriating money shall specify in federal currency the
exact amount of each appropriation and for the purposes for
which it is made. And Congress shall no compensation. Now
think about this. This is the Confederate Congress shall grant
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no compensation to any public contract, officer, agent, or servant
at there's such contracts have been made for such services rendered.
You signed a contract with the Confederate government. That's the contract.
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You can't come back and say, we didn't anticipate it's
going to cost more. So, once again, efficiency, accountability to
the taxpayers to the Confederacy. Here's another in an Article one,
section eight at the Confederate Constitution, every law resolution having
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the force of law shall relate to but one subject,
and that shall be expressed in the title. So, as
an American citizen, you could say, what's the title of
that bill, Oh, this is what it's about. But every
law and resolution one topic, one subject, not packed to
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a multi thousand page omnibus bill that nobody ever reads
except the lobbyists that incorporated or put the bill together.
When I say nobody, I'm including the people in the Congress.
So this provision ended the omnibus bills through which legislators
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would attach proposals to a bill, sometimes related and oftentimes unrelated.
Let me give you an example. In twenty twenty one,
President Trump signed the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act. The Act
is over two thousand pages long, appropriated two point three
trillion dollars in twelve separate appropriations. Congressional debate and oversight,
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for the most part, were negligible, if non existence, with
most of the act being the work of lobbyists and
congressional status Let's think about that. Let's go back to
the post office, lobbyist and congressional stat who's getting the
benefit here? Where's the representation of the people in their
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congressional districts. Unlike the Confederate President, President Trump did not
have the option to line Item veto provisions in the bill,
not to say that he would have. It's obvious that
ominous bills are covered for the wheeling and dealing the
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political class, avoiding the requisite accountability required by a system
of governing based upon the informed consent of the government.
You can't be informed if you're trying to digest a
two thousand page bill spending over two trillion dollars. Let's
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quickly shift to the executive branch of the Confederacy. Article two,
The executive power shall be invested in that President of
the Confederate States of America. He and the Vice President
shall hold their offices for the term of six years,
but the president shall not be re eligible. Now, a
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six year term member for the president is in star
contrast to the US Constitution's four year term with unlimited
re election opportunities. Even though the even though President Washington
set the president of serving a maximum of two terms
for a total of eight years, primarily because he feared
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the election of the president would evolve into a lifetime appointment,
it wasn't until nineteen fifty one that the US president
was limited to two terms. The Confederates did in eighteen
sixty one. Political patronage corruption was is the mother's milk
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of presidential electoral success. Unlimited terms will provide the president
with the opportunity to enhance executive power via the patronage system.
The CSA constitution constitutional six term limits did not eliminate
political patronage, but it didn't mitigate it against morphing into
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an unyielding political force. You're always going to have political
patronage and so, but at least the Confederates realized that
you need to put constraints on it and limits beyond
what the US Constitution at that time.
Speaker 10 (46:50):
Provided there's another party Confederate president, the President may improve
any appropriation and disapproved any other approach in the same boild,
and in such cases show and signing the bill that
make the appropriation disapproved, and so have a copy of
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such appropriation with his objections to the House in which
in which the bills.
Speaker 8 (47:16):
Have originated in the same city. For then he takes
a bother bill bill. This is the group by the president.
This is provision of.
Speaker 7 (47:27):
All the president of the power of the line item veto,
something that Conservatives have been trying to get into the
US Constitution for the last twenty thirty years, which takes
substantially could tells the power the Congress to hold the
President captive to accept legislative manipulation. For example, if the
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Congress passes the funding bill that ten percent of which
the President disapproves without the line item veto, he has
to sign the bill and except the ten percent, So
this is a double check. In the Confederate Constitution, the
Congress is limited one subject for resolution law two thirds
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vote if it's not asked for requested by either the
President or department within the executive branch. And then on
the other side of the capital, the President can limit
the Congress again through the line out in veto. So
this is accountability. Now let's go back to the Trump Bill,
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the appropriations bill for over two trillion dollars. It was
over two thousand pages long. The Congress passed that late.
The President had basically ten days to either sign it
or veto. It would be very difficult getting a bill
and over two thousand pages long and finding those parts
of the bill that needed to be a lineout and
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be toed out. But this way it would be one
bill that goes to the president nowhere near two thousand pages.
So each department would have to submit a bill, and
the president in the Confederacy could line item veto out
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those provisions he thought unacceptable for whatever reason. Then the
House or the Senate where the bill originated, could override
the president's vita with the two thirds vote. Once again,
an enhancement of the checks and balances, And there are
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more here. This more I could talk about, but let
me see, I know we want to hear from Professor
of Livingston. They also made provisions for the separation from
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the It's not like they were walking away from the
financial obligations. Once they established the Confederate States of America,
they made provisions to make sure those financial obligations were met.
They established commission and so on. But the key here
is going back to the screen. This deck clock just
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based upon the few provisions of the Confederate Constitution that
I reviewed very quickly, this would be highly unlikely under
a system, a political system constrained by the terms of
the Confederate Constitution. And what does that mean for Americans?
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Or if the Confederacy were to be left alone and
survived and prospered. Means more accountable government, more money in
your pocket, the money that you earned, and more freedom.
In other words, when you think about the Confederate Constitution,
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b's av the US Constitution, particularly where we are today.
And when I say where we are today, I know
I'm preaching to the choir here, But think about globalism
COVID nineteen, Think about tax rates, Think about the intrusion
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not only of the national government, but state and local
into the affairs that should be the domain of the family.
Through the educational system. There are so many examples where
government has become so intrusive and the laws of Americans
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and so overbearing that we almost don't even realize it
because it's been incremental. We think that a little change here,
little change there, that we're going to be free. But
that's why Emmy Bradford said or made the claim that
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conservatism is not the way to think about our current situation,
because there's nothing left to conserve. We could slow the
trend and buy ourselves a little bit of time, But
what we have to think about is the reactionary imperitive.
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If you really love your freedom and a limited government,
you certainly don't want to conserve what we have now,
what we have ten years ago, twenty years ago, thirty
years ago. We need a reactionary imperative to go back
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to the basics, to the extent that when we think
about what it means to be an American, and Southerners
were Americans, remember the Confederate States of America. They were
more American thinking about seventeen seventy six than their adversaries.
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What it means to be an American is to be
free with a certain level of government very much constrained
and accountable to the govern their informed consent. So one way,
and this is why it's been demonized by those who
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take the opposite position. One way to initiate that reactionary
parent is not to go back to seventeen eighty nine
in the US Constitution, as grand an attempt as that was,
but to return to eighteen sixty one, where they saw
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the flaws in the US Constitution and made requisite changes
to fix those falls and to restore the freedom that
comes not from government but from the Creator. So that's
why my focus on the Confederate Constitution is sort of
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laser beam, because they were there on the ground. They
saw the trajectory of where the US was headed as
early as eighteen sixty one. It's hard for us to
really because we think may be great to return to
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the days of Reagan. Anybody who pays attention the days
of Reagan. He put the brakes on certain things, but
the trend towards oppression continued. And you have to give
the man of the South the credit they deserve because
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they were willing to fight and die for the principles
of seventeen seventy six that our rights come from the Creator. Life, liberty,
and property. But how do we operationalize those the US Constitution, Yes,
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the Confederate Constitution a double yes, because it was a correction,
an attempt to fix the flaws of the US Constitution.
And with that said, to turn it back over to Ryan,
So let me.
Speaker 6 (56:07):
All right, Thank you Marshall. Excellent as always. And uh,
are you do you have a new book coming down
on the Confederate Constitution or you're you're working on something
with that. I know you're working on something with Confederate
case law.
Speaker 7 (56:21):
Yeah, this well, thanks to the insightful comments of Professor Livingston,
this has been a long term check. So it started
out as a more or less the book on Confederate
case law.
Speaker 3 (56:36):
All right, so we're gonna go ahead and pause right there.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
You know that there was a lot of information to digest, which,
of course, and we talked about in a BRIEFUS episode,
how how the framers and Confederate constitutions took the took
the US Constitution try to fix it and and what
would have you know, what could have been. We will
watch the second half with doctor Livingstone at a later date. Uh,
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it is seven fifty eight and we have a long
evening plan for tomorrow night. So we are gonna that
was a good stopping point for us, but we'll we'll
pick that up probably in about two weeks, I would say. Yeah,
sounds awesome. Yeah, the eighteenth, So definitely go ahead and
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All that is really some some interesting thinking material. But
just as our final reminder to everybody, uh, we know
that several states have had early voting. If you have
not voted, go out and vote. I'll be doing it
tomorrow before I come into the office. Uh, So go vote,
Go vote, Go vote. Vote with candidate that you believe
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is best suited for your needs. And remember that the
dead two have voices. That's inside the War Memorial Building
in Jackson, that's you know, etched in or carved in
the uh uh area in front of the stage. So
just remember that when we're ancestors, when you go vote tomorrow,
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because there are there are house elections, there are uh
state elections. There are Senate elections, so just I hope
you've done the research under your candidates and the ones
that will identify with your ideology the most.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
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Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, tomorrow we'll probably end up hopefully hopefully there it's
decided one way or another by ten o'clock tomorrow evening,
but if it's not, we will go until from six
until ten. So yeah, free bird, Yeah, because I'm not
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wanting to be up. I want to be locked in
this bunker till after ten o'clock tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I say, how long was it for the election results
last term? It was like two in the morning or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
No, it was like two or three weeks. Oh yeah, yeah,
we're not going to do it that long. Hope hopefully
that one way or the other it'll be. It'll be
I know which way I wanted to land, but hopefully
it'll it'll be early ish night, but we will be
(01:00:28):
on to discuss bring up stuff and everything like that.
So that'll be tomorrow night on the Stars and Bars
Studios facebook page. Boos has put it out there in
the chat you've mentioned Commander's comments. Next week we've got
Michael Hardy. He will be on for real. Last week
(01:00:49):
when I announced that, I kind of have a week's
mixed up. So either we'll have Michael C. Hardy on
next Monday, and if something happens, we'll finish up with
the second half of the show. But not, we'll do
it in two thanks. So anyway, uh moose and the
words of the late and great Harold Philip hop you
know what you need to do? What don't fumar in
(01:01:10):
that elevator?
Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
No fumar in the elevator, redfrap. Thank our Patreon supporters.
Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yes, yeah, re prop it.
Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Okay, I didn't know if I was in the show,
if you were in the show, it uh, it's this
button of the
Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
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