SCV CHAT SEASON 6 EPISODE 10- Patrick Cleburne

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
A A.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well as you boys talking out.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Across dix and Lands, and you send me up, send
the champing man.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Red train rolling, bringing truth bombs down, then.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Floating the Southland Waterway. Out of time? So what weeked
time chap starts? Now?

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Y'all got scared there for a bit, didn't you don't lie?
It's past seven on a Monday afternoon, so you know
what time. But it is time for your weekly episode
of SCV Chat. Before it get started, please remember the
views and opinions expressing this broadcast were not necessarily the
views and opinions of the SEV. It's g C nor
division of grade camp set ups and cer aries. How

(03:45):
is everybody doing in Dixie Land tonight? We have a
good show for you planned here with past Commander in
Chief Jason Boshears t Rex or some of you might
know him as my father. But uh happy saying Patrick's day.
I got my green on. It looks like Jason has

(04:05):
his green on, so we're good to go. I struggled
to find something green in my house for way too long.
That wasn't camo, way too long. But here we are.
I only wear this hat deering basketball season, and yet
I couldn't find it. It took me a while, but

(04:26):
after I found it, I was very happy. But yeah,
my apologies for the late start. Jason had to shave
and looked pretty in the mirror. And then of course
I was coming in hot on two wheels, leaving straight
from work to here, I mean quick, so I'm messing

(04:47):
Jason was ready to go. I was not. I was
hoping I could beat him on, but he texts me, hey,
I'm on, I see everything. Kentucky Division Commander Kyle Thompson
is early simply because we are ten minutes behind schedule.
That's that. Commander Thompson is a a real opponent for

(05:14):
the Thomas Franklin Award, someone who shows up late occasionally.
I guess I could also qualify for it, but I'm
one of the people that pick who get gets the awards,
so I'm not gonna give it to myself. I don't
want to look bad, so I'll give it. I'll give
it to you, Commander. You're gonna be at division reunion.

(05:35):
I'll force it upon you. No, no one really wants
the Thomas Franklin Award. But it's not late. It's time
time with style.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Okay, well, I don't know. I thought everybody wanted the
Thomas Franklin Award. You know, I mean, who doesn't want
a warm cann of spam?

Speaker 4 (05:58):
You know, super glue to a piece of Yes?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yes, yes, you know what are those that you cook
from the inside of a car when you leave it
on the dash?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
You know that good kind that good time. I got
a check. Who uh who won it last year. Let's
let's let's look at this real quick. I can't remember
who we gave it. Oh, poor Chuck.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Oh Man.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Thomas Franklin doesn't even want it. Fun fact, we give
that to Past Commander Truck McMichael because we asked him
to come to the awards ceremony for SCV Chap and
he was on the other side of the room talking
and didn't hear us, and so we gave it to
him in that split decision. So he got a nice

(07:02):
can of spam for his troubles. But it's good to
see everybody. Good to see you, Camp seventeen sixty five.
Good to see in the chat David Pope, of course,
the long Ranger, Chuck McMichael in the chat, Past Commander
in Chief, Past Commander in chief, the most sharp dressed

(07:23):
man in the SCV, Paul Grammley Jr. Richard Garcia in
the check. Good to see you, sir Smiley. I got
a Mississippi Division member in the chat tonight. Look look
at y'all go. Good to see Smiley and the Florida man.

(07:45):
Good to see you all. Good to see you. And
Ryan Rogers of Camp eighteen twenty four. Good to see everybody.
Oh you got yeah, that's right, you got Venita sausages. Yes,
they're out of spam.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, first time I've never known him to, you know,
carry spam down at the local seven eleven, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Now, I mean it was a shock for us, that's
for sure. We didn't see that coming. But I actually
like the sausages more than spam. So I actually got
two of them sausage cans. I ate one and uh
we gave the other one too fast, managed you chuck
with Michael.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now very fitting.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, and uh Jason got to let your Let Your
Light Shine Award.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Oh, yes, plays that song with this little light of mine,
you know.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yes, we had a great time designing Jason's awards. It
was a great day. We spent a whole afternoon doing Jason's.
But it's good to see everybody.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yes, it is uh.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Happy Saint Patrick's day to the Army of Tennessee. Commander
Carl Jones, I'm not even reading that comment. Carl. Faversham, Faversham, Faversham, y'all.
That's gilt Gaelic for Faversham. Y'all.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Faversham, y'all, that's Gaelic for Fabersham. Y'all.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
That that's a T shirt. That's a that's a new
T shirt. Right, yeah, yes, all right, Ah, we have
some more you got mister Blackstone in the chat from
Camp Mississippi, Mississippi. Look at y'all. Thank y'all.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh, Mississippi has been there there tonight.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, we've got some good Mississippi boys in the chat.
But speaking of the website, it might be a while
since anybody has checked it out, so we'll pull it
up for a minute. Talk about that. Let me find
it here we go. Of course, this is our homepage.

(10:13):
Of course, scv chat dot com got a nice little
welcome video for you and our video of the month
which is about to be replaced, so make sure to
go check out our video of the month. But something
I wanted to show y'all. Two things. The events page.

(10:35):
I need y'all's help with that, so go sign in,
make it, make it account if you're not a member
of s ev chat dot com and check it out.
I don't know what we have done to offend Pascaband
and Chief Chuck McMichael. Uh. Not putting that one on

(10:58):
the screen gonna get me in trouble with my sponsors, Commander,
but help us out with the events page. You'll see
why when we get there. I want every conferred event
that's an annual event to be put on our calendar.
I need y'all's help with that. Though. I can put

(11:19):
the Mississippi ones, but I need help to get that,
so please go check that out. Of course, we have
a lot of things. Of course, we were talking about
the SCV Chat Awards, the prestigious Spatula Cross Bachelor Award,
along with the Chathead of the Year, and of course

(11:41):
a couple other ones Rare Fropp Award, Hearth and Home Award.
Actually there was a fight over the Hearth and Home
Award a couple of years ago, a non right fight
where we almost lost Commander Bouchier's his life flashed for
his eyes.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Actually sure did, Sure did. That's still a tear, a
fine moment. I'll think of it every now and then.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It just keeps keeps, keeps you awake.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yes, it's that. It's that nightmare that never goes away.
Now I see that we still have the Son of
Harold Philpott Guest of the Year Award. I'm still trying
to get back in touch with son now. Yeah, that's

(12:27):
that's all I know to call him now, you know.
And I'm still trying to get back in touch with him.
We've missed each other a time or two. I love
to get him back on. Oh yeah, yeah. And because
I don't, I don't know that he ever made it
on that last time.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
No, like, well we tried to have him on two times, yes,
and one time is where we got the infamous pop
Tart break where yes, he called me and he was
having trouble logging in with his computer and so I
was behind the scenes. You can go back and look
at that episode off and on trying to get in

(13:08):
contact with him, and then you can see me get
a phone call, yes sir, yes, sir, sir, And I
mean that sir came up. Well he was like, well,
it's seven thirty five. At seven thirty five, every day
I stop and need a pop tart. So I'm not
gonna be on tonight because i have to eat pop tart. Yes,

(13:32):
and you know I'm not one to cause conflict. I
was like, okay, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. And then there was another time as he was
coming on he got cut off.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah. No, he he was late. Yes, we in the
episode early. And so he pops on and I hit
in stream.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yes, I mean he cos as he's ready to come
on and he gets introduced, we go down. You know
that wash I hated that for him, I mean that,
and he was a great Southern gentleman about it. Uh.
He wasn't angry or anything like that. You know. You know,
he was actually quite apologetic of everything that was. Uh

(14:21):
that that is that has happened, and uh, I just
want to make sure that I that we do what
we can to get him on. And when I looked
up and I saw that son of he Halfhilpot Guest
of the Year award, Uh, I think that is a
very good one. Now Thomas Franklin I have met, uh,
I have my picture made with him. Gave me a
can of anus and uh, you know, it's just you

(14:45):
know Thomas Franklin, and he's been up there down on Springs.
We showed up one time and he was there sitting
on the curb. But he showed up on Sunday for
an event that was going that happened the day before.
You know, he thought it was Sunday when it was happening.
And no, I'm wrong, that's my fault. He had his
weeks wrong. See, he was coming up there to go

(15:07):
in the museum and he was up there on a Saturday,
but we had it was the saturday before that the
museum was open. So yeah, and so it's I'm glad
you're doing those. Yes, Uh, I can't hear you.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
I muted my mic so I wouldn't mess up because
I had to kick to copy and past something real quick. Yeah,
Arl has a great idea. And for those who don't know,
let me pull it back up. I think. Yeah, the
rare front medallion is given to the member of the

(15:57):
sev chat community that is captain of the Struggle Bus.
But they refropped through it and we did lose a
great person, a great guest that we had on a
while ago in Rock And so I've made the executive decision.
We have followed Carl's proposal, and after the episode we'll

(16:22):
officially end the show and go edit that and name
that officially after Rock, who was a great man and
a great Southern gentleman. And uh, he will deeply be missed.
And so yeah, no, that's that was a great idea
of Carl, and we'll do that. So, yeah, we have
a couple of awards, as you can see, the Guest

(16:42):
of the Year Hearth and Holme again. Uh, poor poor
Jason's life flashed before his eyes on that one. Yes,
which I think we already know who's going to be
the hot Spot of the Year award, the Best Emergency Guest,
Poor poor Michael c. Hardy. Let us let us all

(17:03):
take a moment for the man who got less than
an hour to come on and get ready.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, you you about did me that way today.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I didn't. I gave you more than an hour though
some time.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah you did. It was I don't know about four
thirty or five when you did it, so I had
about two toll and a half hours to prepare.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
It was five o'clock. Now I'm notorious, so I forgot
it was Saint Patrick's Day. I'm not even gonna lie.
I'd been at my farm all day and I go
to town to get lunch and someone just comes up
and pinches me. And it was someone from my class
that I graduated high school with. And I was like, oh, hey, thanks,
that's a weird introduction. And they were like, well you

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always pinched us in high school. And it still hadn't
dawned on me. I was like, what are you talking about.
It's Saint Patrick's Day and you're not wearing green. I
was like, holy crap. So I immediately text Jason. As you
can tell, I ate a very late lunch. I skipped
lunch today, basically ate a late or early supper. I

(18:13):
text Jason immediately. I was like, so you know anybody
who to talk on this topic. He was like, well,
I've done one. I was like, hey, you have volunteered.
That was the wrong, but we do have our next
week's scheduled speaker, our next guest, bless his heart. I

(18:35):
also called him asking for help, so he'll be on
next week and we'll talk more about that towards the end.
Is it true that Thomas Franklin is over six feet
tall but only wears five and a half shoes.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
When he come up and he introduced himself to me,
of course I recognized him right off with the whiskers
when he came up and to me, yes, he's quite
a large individual. But where And I did not pay

(19:12):
any attention to the size of his feet at all,
you know, so I don't know because it's he was
tall until he started to walk away. Now, when he
started to walk away, it looked like he was wearing
like six inch tall platform boots, you know. So, so

(19:36):
I couldn't tell you exactly how tall he is, uh,
you know, but he pretty good size, old fellow, I'll
tell you that right now. He's not somebody i'd want
to to to taskle with on him by any stretch
of the imagination. But he did look like he was,
you know, had the big six inch tall boots that

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he was that he was walking away in. So uh,
but I didn't look down to see how size of
his feet I was because when he talks to you,
he's real close. Oh gosh, yeah, he doesn't, you know,
stand back, and he walks right up to you and
he bumps you. You know. Is when he stops, he
stops when he hits you and he and then he's

(20:18):
looking down at me talking to me. So I spent
my whole time going yes, sir and looking up at
him and trying to figure out what he had in
his beard, because he was obviously had eaten recently and
he had a stuff still stuck in his beard. And
he was a very nice man, very nice, very polite.

(20:39):
But it's it's you know. So I can't tell you
if he was a five and a half shoe, but
I did. It did look like he was wearing six
inch boots, the Frankenstein looking kind of boots.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Huh. I had seen him. I've talked to him, tried
to get him on the show a couple of times.
Hadn't he he has, but he he he was, He
got upset and we worked it out. Uh, you can

(21:14):
go back and check the episode out. He he has
a rule that he will not be on the show
and then there when if there are any past coband
the Chiefs on the show. Yes, yes, he's made that
very clear. He he does not like it. It was
the night that y'all will you and Commander mcclooney were

(21:35):
announcing something for the forest.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yes, reinterment. Yes, and that was supposed to be his episode.
He was gonna come talk, and he sat there for
a while, sat there, sat there, even started cleaning his gun.
If I'm not mistaken, Yes, and then finally just left. Yes,
And he We've talked since then about him coming on,

(21:57):
but he's he's been very cautious. He wants to make
sure we have a cleared schedule, and I think has
said that he'll wait until after a certain event in
the near future happens, he'll think about coming back on.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, And I hope he does. He's a good guy.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
He's a good guy. I would love for him to
come on sometime in April, but we haven't been able
to get him on and I haven't seen him in
person since the Georgia reunion because remember he showed up late. Yes,
this is for your election, Yes, but thought that he
showed up early and rented his room for that week

(22:44):
and the week after because he thought the reunion was
a week later. So he did try to vote for you.
If I'm not mistaken, Well, he said he was going to.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, I think he tried to vote for you, but
didn't realize that we had a journed about a week prior. Yes,
and he just kind of after he figured out, Uh,
he called Connor and Connor was like, hey, dude, the
reunion was over. It was last week. So he just
spent the rest of his time in Georgia and I

(23:14):
think he went to Stone Mountain and towards some of
I mean, he made the best of it. I mean,
I'm not gonna lie. I would have been mad, but
Connor said he was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
O, yeah, it didn't Uh. I talked to him since then,
and he definitely was not even the least bit upset
about it. He just rolled with the punches. He's a good,
laid back guy. But when he commits to doing something,
he's a guy that's committed all in.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And and that's the reason why when you you tell
him you want him to come on and talk, he's
going to come on and he's going to talk, and
you know. And so he got upset about that.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And I've talked to him and I I can tell
it still bothers him, and it's like, well, I just
don't want y'all on. You know, I'll come on, but
I just don't want to be on there if y'all
are going to be on there. And I respect him
for that because he would be a good one.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Oh yeah, I mean, I don't hold anything against him,
I understand, But yeah, Bliss is heard. I haven't seen
him in forever. But going back to the rest of
the awards, we have, of course the Moose Chalice and

(24:34):
I don't remember who made the requirements in the description
for this award, but the moose Chalice Award is bestowed
upon an individual who's demonstrated unparallel prowess in ancient art
of moose whispering. This prestigious accolade is granted to those

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who have exhibited extraordinary what is that Finnis are finesse
and convincing moves to engage in whisp whimsical whimsical acts
such as choreographed deaser teenes are dramatic readings of Shakespeare.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Sonets.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Sons are rap lyrics. There's a reason that award has
been only given once. Then, of course, the hot Spot
Award Best emergency Guest Thomas Franklin, let your light, uh
the lastic or you know, the last come on the

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episode the most. The Larger Light Shot Award Chatthead, who
is a shining example uh to all leading the calls.
And the next qualification very important, has to look good
standing next to and of course the Brotherly Love Award

(26:06):
and the only description we have for that is roar
means I love you In Dinosaur, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
So today is Saint Patrick's Day.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Today is Saint Patrick's Day, and well let's let's go
ahead and get into everything. But real quick, if you
hit the support us tab, yes, go to our Patreon link,
just click this button right here, and for ten dollars
a month you can help us stay on the air.
And of course our suv chat t shirts, so I

(26:46):
mean click on the T shirt you want and you'll
be taken there to buy it. We have this lovely
Patrick Claiborne shirt today that you can get in Saint
Patrick's Day Green that says I'm with the South in
life or death, in victory our defeat. So make sure

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you go check out our store today and get your
Patrick Claiborne shirt. So we are going to get off
the website now though, because me and Jason Booth started
talking about Thomas Franklin for a while, So let's let
us let us get into tonight's topic or do you

(27:29):
want to take a quick commercial break and jump back
and you got the rest of the time.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Well, it's uh seven thirty three here and Confederate time.
So if I know, talking about him and his seven
thirty five heart break, right now, he'd be planning on
getting up and going to get his pop tart and
you know, and he didn't just stick them in the
microwave or put him in the toaster. He put him
in a pan on the stove. And that's how he

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warms up his pop tarts. So and thinking about him,
let's just go ahead and take our break.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
All right, Let's go ahead.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
There is a place nestled in the rolling farmland of
southern Middle Tennessee, a home constructed in eighteen thirty seven,
nearly lost to the ravages of war, saved by a
servant and a Confederate general. A place where families loved

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and lost. If walls could talk, what stories could be told,
If a place a home can feel love, lost, pained.
Surely this is one of those places. Nearby is a

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more recent struct and inside are the stories of heroes
and heroines, stories of battles won and lost, stories of
sacrifices made by the people of its native soil. A
place that will tell the true and complete story of
the Southland and the war fought for its freedom, from

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the causes that led to the conflict to the modern
day struggles to protect Southern history. Historic Elm Springs and
the Confederate Museum at Elm Springs are the general headquarters
for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a place where the

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story of the Southland and its historic struggle is preserved
and told, come and discover your history.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Goosebumps every time.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, I found that original script when I was going
through some stuff. You know, I wrote it back when
I was LT. And you know, I've already taken and
given some stuff to Adam, and that's probably gonna be
one of those things. I go ahead and get it
and you know, give it over to him because it

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was part of his handwritten and then part of it
I typed on, you know, so you know, typed it up,
wrote it up first, then typed it up, then went
back and scratched on it some more, trying to get
the right words in there. But I think I'm gonna
go ahead turn all that over to Adam. I've already
dropped some stuff off for him, so you know. But

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let's talk about old Pat. One hundred and ninety seven
years go today, Patrick Ronan Clayburne or Cliburne or Claiborne
came into this world. He was the third son of
a very prominent family, a very and I didn't know

(31:17):
this until you get to studying on him. It was
a very prominent middle to upper class family. His father
was a doctor. Uh. And if you go back through
his history and you look at his ancestors, he's descended

(31:38):
of knights. Uh. He had some knights in his family.
They fought for the They were called the Knights of Westmoreland.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
And they have a their their manor or hall or home.
There is still standing. It was built in the mid
fourteen hundreds and it was called Clyborne c O I
b U r n uh. And I've talked to several
people over the years trying to well, how do you

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exactly pronounce the name because it has a lot of spellings,
and when you start looking over the history of it,
it's a lot more. I mean, it is you know,
the c O I b U r N c O
E B u r n c O E b u
r n e uh. It's c O I c l

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a I b O r n. I mean there's all
of these and and some of his uh, some of
the descendants of that family spell it in many different ways.
And that I come across that very early in my life.
With two aunts, my mama's two sisters, we would go
up right north of May, four miles north of Maia's

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Saint John's Church. Saint John's Church was built. That's very
unique church. It's still there. It was built by the
pope family for the pope family to attend church there.
It is an Episcopal church. And yes, Leonidas or Leonidas,
however you want to say it, he preached there and

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throughout the war. There is a tie between the Pope,
those pops and Patrick Claiburn. But my aunt when we
go up through there, they'd get in an argument is
it Cleburn or Clavern. And one time we was going
down and David Pope is correct. If you look at

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a pronunciation, it is Claiborne. That is the way that
it is normally is done. But there are those that
will argue that. But I think, and he's mentioned it
of Irvan s Buck and Irvan s Buck served with
served with Claver. And if he says it's that, he

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says a man he worked with, you know, four years
of the war, three years of the war, so it's
it's an interestory. But my aunt's we'll be going up
and down the go past there, and they'd getting an
argument over it. And one time, you know, you're talking
in the mid seventies and you know, in the back
of an old Chevrolet car, you know, no seat, bounce,

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three kids bouncing around everywhere, And drove past one time
and the gate was open and Mount Dorothy was driving,
and she just spun it around in the road and
come back, went in there and asked the man, we're
going to find out how to pronounce this Clayburn or Clavern,
and the man said that he didn't rightly know. Of course,

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that greatly angered both my aunts because they were dead
set on proving each other wrong. And so he did say, okay,
you can go to the Carter House in Franklin, and
that was where he was killed, and took us to
a spot where they think because I'll go ahead and
tell you, since we're talking about Saint John's Church, Pat

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Clayburn when the army was coming into Tennessee, coming back
into Tennessee after the Atlanta campaign, and they were coming
back to go to Franklin, and he passed by Saint
John's Church and he said the words there that it
would be worth dying to be buried there, because Clayburn

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was a religious man and he was in Episcopalian as well,
and he made that comment. So when he got killed
at Franklin, he was temporarily interred there at Saint John's Church.
And the man that was there, they were there working
on some some of the tombstones, and he said, well,

(35:51):
this was because there's still some Confederates that are buried
there and they're saying that Clayburn was buried here. So
he was moved in eighteen seventies. And I'll talk about
that in a little bit. He's moved in eighteen seventy,
I should say. So, my aunt Guy says, but what
you need to do is you need to go to
Franklin and you need to talk to the men up there.

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They'll be able to tell you. Well, they wouldn't a
whole lot of help either, But at this point in time,
you're talking mid seventies. They said it was pretty one
of them said, it's pretty much all of them. And
I've talked to several people from that area of Ireland.
He was born in Cork County, Ireland, and he they

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always said the same thing. It depends on who's saying it,
which area area you're from. But never got a good
deal on it. But I think the general pronunciation here
in the US is clayvern So born one hundred and

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ninety seven years ago today, upper middle class family. He
held himself to a very high standard from a very
early age. One thing I did find out about him
was he was quite a shy individual. He was very
much an introvert. Once he got to know you, he
played a lot of pranks on people, and he had

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a very and you find that later on in the
war with some of the things that he did with
his men, that he was a very playful gentleman. And
so another day to remember that comes up is Christmas
Day of eighteen forty nine, that is today, that the

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ship sailed into New Orleans and it had Patrick, his
brother William, and a sister and they arrived here Christmas
Day of eighteen forty nine. Now where they had got
to that point where it had come from to where
he was with this point that as a young man,

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he wanted to become a doctor and follow in his
father's footsteps. But you had to know French, you had
to know Latin, you had to know Greek. And that
was the first time he was bad at those subjects
and he failed. And he was eighteen years old and
he failed these and he held himself to such a
high standard that he felt like he could not face

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his family anymore. So he lived, didn't tell anybody, didn't
tell his family, didn't tell his friends. It took him
over a year to find out what happened to him.
He just went missing. But where he went was he
went and he joined the military, and he joined the
forty first foot, which means he joined in the infantry,

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and he served as an infantryman for three years. Now,
during that time, you had to Irish potato famine that happened,
and of course they had to guard food supplies, and
that was one of the things that he was sent
to do, was to guard food supplies. But he was

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always training. He was always trained during that time, being trained,
and that passed on to the military career. That he
had here, but when his service ended and he bought
out the remaining in part of his service and come
here as a twenty one year old Christmas Day, eighteen

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forty nine. Now he has He was not a very
patient individual because at that time, you pretty much if
you wanted to get a job or something like that,
you had to be introduced by somebody. And think of
it like this. You know, you could walk up to somebody,

(39:54):
introduce yourself, try to get a job, then you would
not could might not have any luck at all. But
if you had somebody introduce you, you know, somebody that
was a well thought of in the community, that could
take you to somebody and introduce and say, okay, this
is Harrison Dolles. He's a very good friend of mine.
And that is telling this man, okay, you can trust him,

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I'm speaking for him, I'm vouching for him. Well, he
wouldn't wait. He immediately light a shuck and he just
went up the Mississippi River and he settled in Cincinnati,
and he started to work there at a drug store,
and you know, he got an introduction there and he

(40:37):
got to end up meeting some people and they asked
him if he would be willing to go to Helena
or Helena because I called it Helena one time and
somebody spoke up and said it's Helena, and I asked
him why is that after the talk, and they said, well,
I'm from there, and then there was somebody else that
was from there and they said it was Helena. So

(40:58):
I'll let people argue that out. But he got asked
to go would he be interested in going there? And
he did and he started to work, and then about
six months time or a little less than a year's time,
he ended up buying half interest in it. He bought
half of the interest in this in this drug store

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pharmacy and it was named Nash and Clavern. And during
that time he was meeting all these other people, and
he has he was a Mason. He joined this several societies.
He was getting to where he was becoming very prominent
in the in the town uh And then in eighteen

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fifty five there was a yellow fever epidemic that went
through Helena, and this yellow fever epidemic, Clavering didn't leave town.
He stayed there and he administered to the people that
were there and he helped take care of all of
these sick people that were in Helena. And it is

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from that it just blossomed. People got to really thinking him,
really appreciating him. He was extremely well thought of. He
was a pillar of the community. And right before all
of that happened, I had another man approach him and
he goes, would you be interested in becoming a lawyer?

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Because what they had there was several big law firms
there and they were interested in starting a small one
that was just pretty much did with land transfers because
there was a lot of property being bought and sewed
and developed at that time. And so he studied law
and he become an attorney. So he was a druggist.

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He was an attorney. He was very prominent in his community.
There was a dispute that come up during one of
the land transfers, and during this dispute, this man threatened
the friend that Patrick Claburn was representing, and threatened Patrick

(43:08):
Clayburn as well, and they one day he was evening,
he was walking past the store and there was a gentleman.
This gentleman stepped out from behind him and shot him
in the back. And he turned and pulled his pistol
and turned and killed the man, shot and killed the man.
Now don't know if when he was in the forty

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four forty first Foot Army, if he killed anybody during
that time, because they did drill a lot, but they
also had to do quite a bit of guard work
when we didn't know. That's the first person that I
know of that he killed, but it was in self
defense because the man shot him in the back and

(43:53):
it was just defending his friend. Then, like I said,
we had the yellow fever epidemic, and then you start
to have the drums of war being sounded in eighteen sixty.
Everything that I've read concerning him was that he believed

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in the right of secession, and he believed the right
of self government and small government and keeping out of
each other's business. He believed in what our founding fathers
really had in mind when they formed this nation. He
believed in that. He didn't like the fact of them
coming in and telling people what they could or couldn't do.

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He believed in human his right as a human being,
as one of God's creatures. He believed in his God
given rights, and he felt that all of these were
being run over by the current federal government. So what
he did was he joined and they became the Yelle Rifles.

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It was named after Colonel Archibald Yale y E l L.
Who was killed in the Mexican War at a charge
in Buena Vista. So they named so they were called
the Yale County or the Yale Rifles, not Yale County.
They were called the Yale Rifles. And they were the

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first group to offer their service to Arkansas, and they
were the fifteenth Arkansas was what he was rolled into.
And they spent a lot of time going back and
forth in Kentucky. They reported to Mound City. They bounced

(45:42):
between there and Bowling Green. And that's when you really
start to see this high sense of duty of what
Clayburne has, because he had when he was when they
were rolled into the fifteenth Arkansas. He was made their colonel.
He had been a captain in the Yell Rifles. He

(46:03):
is now their colonel. So and he's drilling the men,
he's training the men. Well, they're making all of these
trips and they're near Muntfordville and they were doing road
repairs and they had some civilians that were helping them,

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and they had worked all day Clayburne had given some
orders and he was setting down that night to you know,
get some sleep, and his adjutant, for lack of a
better term, was writing up the orders. And one of
the civilians was a sleepwalker and didn't tell anybody. And

(46:50):
during that night he come busting in to their room
and he knocked the clerk down. Clavering pulled a pistol
and killed him. And that was one of the things
that people said that he would get very depressed about,
and he would get very moody about, and he deeply

(47:13):
regretted what happened. But you think about it in its
pure sense. This is wartime. You're in occupied territory. Somebody
comes busting into the room and takes out the person
in the room with you. What are you gonna do?
You're gonna kill him? Now, he didn't know this man

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was a sleepwalker. The man didn't tell anybody. It was
just a horrible, horrible accident. And it bothered clayburn for
the rest of his life, and he got very moody
every time the subject ever come up. And then you
start to get this real high sense of how he
conducted himself and his duties, because they were doing all

(47:55):
of these repairs, and they were moving and he gets approached.
He was knowledgeable the attempts of the English crown to
forcefully inflict consolidated Yes, that is the reason why Carl
Jones is Carl Jones. Yes, Uh, Carl, you are correct.
He had already experienced that. He knew what that was like.

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Uh the uh, but they have they were moving and
the Federal and they were told that, you know, if
you find the Federals, if you come across them, if
it's not too big a force to attack, if it's
too big a force, get word back to us. We'll
mask more men and we'll go after them. Well, they
started hitting these towns and there's no Federals there. What

(48:41):
the Federals had done was they had poisoned the whale.
They had told all of the people in uh, in
the up and down these roads in Kentucky. Then when
the Confederates show up, the Federal the Confederates are going
to kill you. They're going to take all of your possessions.
What they can't take, they're going to burn. So they

(49:02):
were spreading the typical Federal propaganda of what the Confederate's
going to do. But that's what the Federals were doing.
It's one of those things you get accused of doing stuff.
You know, they'll accuse somebody else of doing it when
they're the ones that are doing it. So they he
had to face all of that with them. Well on

(49:23):
what he did was anytime that his men moved and
they found something, they would take it to a hot
nearby house, leaving on the porch, and right on there
that it was returned by a Confederate soldier. And they
showed how Confederates should act. And we're going to act.
Wonderful thing. Well, you have this little thing Fort Henry,

(49:47):
Fort Donaldson. They fall, their move to Nashville. They just
pretty much blow straight through Nashville. They're looking for men, recruiting,
trying to get enough man. They go to Murphisboro and
then they go for Murfisboro to go down to Corinth.
So you're talking this time March February, March, well, March

(50:12):
of sixty two. And then as you know, the Federals
decided they're going to do something, and the Confederates come
out of Corinth. They meet it a little place called
Shallow Church, and they had a good little scrap there.
His men fought very well. They took some prisoners on

(50:34):
the first day, they took a stand of arms, but
they suffered very bad losses. His men really took a
beating in that although they but this started something that
continued with them all the way through the war, and
that was that no matter what happened, we only had

(50:58):
so many soldiers, and the Federal armies were keep getting resupplied,
and there were only so many that the Federal that
the Confederates could get only so many. So they would
start in it. Let's just say that it was the
line in front of them, and it was, you know,

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five thousand Confederates and seventy seventy five hundred Federals. Federates
take casualties, the Confederates kill more, but when the Federals
get resupplied, it's now four thousand against eight thousand. So

(51:38):
this would start this where they'd start to sprand to
stretch their lines too thin, and they would just get
pinched in from the sides. Uh. And you know, they
would generally always have to a lot of times they
ended up having to give up the field. Even though
they repulsed every charge and they accomplished their charge, they
would end up having to leave the field because they

(52:00):
ended up being outmanned. This starts that chain of events.
But if you go to Shalloh and I encourage everybody
to go, and you can go to the mass Graves,
I'm gonna ask you to consider going to see two
monuments there. And one of them is the one for Mississippi,

(52:23):
which is just a beautiful monument there. And then there
is the one for the Tennessee for Tennessee, and Clayburne
is quoted on there by a soldier from the twenty
third Tennessee and they say, and on there the quote
and I might miss a word or two here and there,
but the quote is that the Tennesseeans fought hard. They

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had everything to fight for because they were fighting for
their homes and their firesides. And you know that is
on the Tennessee monument. It was I think about it.
It is a Tennessee monument with the twenty third Tennessee
being quoted on there, and it's a man from Arkansas

(53:11):
that is doing the talking. Uh the you know, they
retreat out of that, as we all know the story,
and they decide that they're going to go back into
Kentucky and they end up going east of Nashville. As
they circle back through, they come back through the Decatur
and go up. They probably come through some I believe

(53:32):
they come through around the Carthage area. Some people have
said it somewhere between Carthage and Cootville, but they passed
through there, and they go into Kentucky and they have
this fight going on in Richmond, Kentucky, and Claverne had
given some orders. You heard me mention the Polpe family earlier,

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and this is where he had a pope fighting under him,
Colonel Lucius Poke. Now that is the brother of Leonidas.
Now Lucius is from the Mount Pleasant area, just four
miles from me. The house that they have was right

(54:16):
was right across from Saint John's Church. It was struck
by lightning in the early part of the nineteen hundreds
and burned to the ground. Confederates camped on that site.
Confederates drilled on that site. But Colonel Lucius Polk had
been wounded, and he is on a gurney and he's
being carried by and Clayburne is on horseback and he

(54:40):
leans down to talk to Lucia's Poke and a bullet
goes through the left side of his face, takes out teeth, gums, tongue,
and comes right out of his mouth. Now, I can't imagine
what Lucia Polk saw with that, or what anybody was thinking,

(55:04):
but to be hit like that just goes straight through
and out his mouth, and just a little while he's
enabled to stay on the field, he can't talk. He's
got serious problem going on and leaves the field. The
orders that he had given that day were the ones.
Those orders won the battle, and he was promoted to

(55:31):
a major general. I believe it was a major general.
It might have been a brigadier at that time, but
he got promoted at that time. It was a brigadier
and that was in and while he got promoted the
next year into brigadier. So he was promoted, but he
had to convalesce there in somebody's home, and they took

(55:52):
very good care of him. So he was able to
rejoin his men in a short period of time at paraval.
Now he was on horseback. Now his favorite horse throughout
the entire war. The horse's name was Red. Okay, Now
that's what Claver Claborn rode when he was just in

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general correspondence, if he was going into battle, he would
take Red to the back and get on a secondary horse.
So Red was never on the field in any of
these charges because Clavern was always a guy. He was
like Forest, and so many of the men at that
time they were in the fight. They weren't weighing the

(56:36):
back giving orders. They were out front in with the men.
And you'll find that out in just a little bit.
But it is so his own horse, cannon Ball comes through,
kills the horse, wounds Clavern's leg, Clavern stays in the saddle,
gets him another horse, gets stays in the saddle, and

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stays on the field for them of the day. And
what happened during the night was that was parallel was
one of the largest Confederate victories, especially here in the
Army of Tennessee, because it was all these artillery pieces,
a million rounds of ammo, thousands of guns, two thousand horses,

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seventeen hundred mules, and all of these wagons. But there
was the roads were muddy, the roads were jump They
had gotten bogged down in all of this mess. And
they were ordered to burn the wagons and to burn
the supplies to keep the Federals from getting them. Because
the Federals had their cavalry had come in and they

(57:47):
were fighting to retake that back. Clayburn, even being wounded,
said he got permission, got enough men together, picked up
some stragglers and putting men on each wheel on the wagon.
They got everybody out of there. Then they saved the
supply train, and that was Clayburn coming back and doing that.

(58:10):
Are you okay, moose? I see you looking at something.
Do you want to say something?

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Oh? No, command you go ahead. You're doing great. I'm
just working behind the scenes a bit while you were talking.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Okay, whatever you like to do.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Okay, No, you're doing great.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Okay, But if it was something you want to add
in or got something to say, just chime in. This
isn't a one man show by any means.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Oh no, sir, I'm learning a lot tonight. I've looked
up to Patrick Claiborne for a while, but haven't really
studied his history. So you're telling me a lot tonight.
I'm loving this.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Well, he's and remember this, I knew Clayburn before I
knew Forest. Now, I had heard of Bobby Lee, you know,
so I'd actually heard of Robert E. Lee, the Marble
Model and studied a little bit on that, but you know,

(59:08):
Clavering was my first te row in all of this.
And I'll go ahead and jump ship for a moment
on this. One of the greatest honors that has happened
to me was when I got asked to speak at
his grave site. And that was just to be there
on Maple Hill, the Confederate area of it, on top

(59:32):
of the hill and there's a Confederate monument, there's all
these Confederate graves and over here is the oblist for
Patrick Roman Clavern, and you know, and just to be
there because I had these ideas and my thing that
I was gonna say, But you know, what do you
say to talk about Claver and to people who already

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knew Clavern? You know what do you say to people
like that? And I come up on the hill and
I see it, and I'm walking around it, and I
see that phrase, don't say it to quotam as prostmatida orde,
which is Latin for it is sweet and fitting to
die for one's land. And I'm going, Okay, that's what

(01:00:18):
I'm gonna talk about. You know, I had to throw
this stuff in my head, and you know, and then
I go, Okay, that kind of changes things because that
you know, I've heard it, I've read it, and when
you see how he lived his life, it is sweet
and fitting to die for one's land. That was you know. Yes,

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he was born in Court County, Ireland. He was an
adopted son of the United States, and really hell in
to Arkansas. I mean they adopted him. He was their son,
and he considered himself a son of Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
He really believed in the states rights issues on this
and that was just you know, how do you you know?
But anyway that you know, I didn't mean jump ship
on that, but you know that was but that was
very humbling and of course there me, I can't hardly
talk about it without thinking about my aunts, you know,

(01:01:23):
and the family impact because they knew it, and you know,
this was something that I'd been taught from a young man,
a young boy, I should say. Uh, well, you know,
he he'd saved the supplies there en Richmond. Okay, they
come back through Tennessee and then they hit Murpher'sboro and

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they have the battle there at Murpher's Burrow. And again
his men fight very well there. You know, they are
are they're always well trained, and they're always very strong.
So you're talking into December, beginning of January, going from
sixty two into sixty three, and then they start what

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I'm going to call the Tellahoma Campaign, and that is
where they pretty much leave Murphersboro and they make it
down to outside Tullahoma and Winchester, making their way on
toward Chattanooga. And some things happened during that time. He

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you know, Braxton Bragg was in trench retreat. In trench retreat,
he would not to make a stand and fight. He
always said the land there wasn't favorable for a fight,
so he never made one. And it got so bad
that you find out that the federal leaders in the

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army are angry at Rosecrans because Rosecrans was the federal
or was the federal commander that was in charge of
that because there wasn't a body count, because Braxton Bragg
wouldn't stand fight. Needless to say, the Federals just pretty

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much walked into Chattanooga without any issues. Then you have
first time they really get into a scuff again. It's
going to be in Chickamauga and lookout Mountain. And again
they fought so well, you know and if you go

(01:03:35):
to Resaca, there is a monument to Clayburn there at Resaka,
and that is because when they broke the line, his
men broke the line. They chased the Federals over a
mile across that field and just whooped up on them bad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
So in Resanka you can go there and I've had
my picture made. How can you not? You know, I've
had my picture made with with the Clayburn statue there
he's got, you know, his arm on his knee and
his leg up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It's very very nice. But that is that's how his
men fought. Again, they were starting to deal with all that.
Now you go from leaving Chattanooga and look out mountain.
Excuse me, uh, leaving you know, Chickamauga and lookout mountain.
Then you start what we call the Atlanta campaign. And

(01:04:31):
we all know what the Atlanta campaign was. I mean
it was he just pretty much Sherman, I'll call it.
Given the heisman, you know, what he had done was
uh he had gone Uh and Sherman had developed his
own total scorched earth battles that he wanted to his

(01:04:51):
meant uh, his his mindset. Uh. He was being be
persuaded to turn and go into Alabama and to because
Alabama was the bread basket for the Armory of Tennessee,
and he was encouraged to go there and did that.
But he believed in total annihilation. So he went to

(01:05:15):
a little town called Gaileyville and an area around there
and just lived off the land and kept giving all
of these reports. And they just wiped out Gaileyville to
the point that they had some of the ladies coming
to them asking them to leave them something because they

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had taken everything and they were eating everything, and they
said that Sherman. They actually met with Sherman two ladies, did,
very prominent ladies in the town, and they asked to
please leave them something, and he said, there will not
even be a grasshopper when we leave here. And with
what he did there, he had convinced by writing all

(01:05:59):
this stuff communicating back with d C, he had convinced
them to go for his total warfare. And that is
the reason why he did not go into Alabama, but
instead went around Atlanta and then just went on a
mile wide destruction path from there all the way to

(01:06:22):
the ocean, and it just okay, well, But until he
got to that point he was still having to fight there.
I'm gonna go and tell you a little study. This
is how close it comes between the Polk family and
Clavern Pine Mountain, Georgia. Uh. They were one of the

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few Clayburn always stayed with his men. But he needed
to go see this because if you've ever been around
and you go to there, you're fighting on hills, You're
fighting on Kennesau Mountain, You're you know, you're you're you're
fighting on Pine Mountain, uh, and you're looking at you know.
They He goes there to see what he's facing, and
he gets to the top of the hill and as

(01:07:04):
he gets up there, he gets told there's a battery,
a federal battery a mile and a half away. They've
got the range in. You need to be real careful.
But he's determined to take a look, so he gets
to the top of the hill. As he gets to
the top of the hill, a shell passes just a
few feet over his head and he makes a statement,

(01:07:26):
and he tells the aid that is with him that
he has never known a time when he was somewhere
he didn't need to be that something bad didn't happen.
Let's leave okay, and the AID agreed with them and
they left. The next day, leon Nida Spoke is up
there walking around, Shell comes through him, nearly cuts him

(01:07:52):
completely into goes into the tree, explodes. Of course he's dead. Well,
that's another time the day before Clavern left Leonidas State.
But that was the same Leonidas that preached there at

(01:08:13):
Saint John's Church. So you know that's one of those
tie ins to the Pope family and into Pat Clavern. Well,
we don't know what happens with Atlanta. Con Federate army
moves back to Lovejoy. They stayed in love Joy a
little bit. They decided that they're gonna have to come back,
and they're gonna have to come back into Tennessee. So

(01:08:34):
they started massing into Catur, Alabama. They leave the Cater
Alabama to come back into Middle Tennessee, and they used
five different paths to get up there. The path that
Patrick Clavern did come straight through my hometown of Mount Pleasant.
This road that is in front of my house started

(01:08:58):
out as what was called a military road man by
the name of Andy Jackson come through here in eighteen
thirteen and fourteen, and he was headed down to a
place called New Orleans to fight the British. So he
come through here. They ended up becoming Reached six. Then

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it ended up becoming Highway forty three. And then when
they built the road around Mount Pleasant, as they do
so much now, they built a bypass around the town.
It's become Highway two forty three. And my house was
built on that road, but it was built in nineteen
oh four, so it was it didn't witness any of that,
But that road has witnessed federal armies coming through here.

(01:09:42):
Don Carlos Buell brought sixty thousand men down this road
right in front of my house to go fight at Shiloh.
All of these men were marching back and forth through here.
Forrest was through here numerous times. Who recruited on the
square or what is the square now? And the square
was where the men, the big b Grays and anybody
who come into the army, that's where they were sworn in.

(01:10:03):
The actual physical center of town was a block further south,
but since that's where everybody mustered up after the war,
that become the town center. And you know, so he
comes by here, four miles north of here. I told
you about Saint John's Church. They go on in to

(01:10:24):
start going into Columbia, and they come across the Federals
and they start a big running fight, and they get
the Federals caught there in spring Hill, whereas the Federals
are trying to get back to Nashville, and they have
a I don't really know what to tell you other
than it was an absolute debacle of what happened there

(01:10:46):
at spring Hill. The rip of Ella House is one
hundred and fifty yards from the road, and Confederates are
camped out, you know, they got you know, they're camped
out there. They hundred fifty yards from the road, and
entire Federal army marches past them during the ninth and
you're talking the night of November twenty ninth of eighteen

(01:11:07):
sixty four. I'm going to take a step back, because
there was an important thing that happened, with two things
that happened, and the winner of sixty three, when you're going,
you know you had, first of all, sixty three and

(01:11:28):
sixty four you had, well, some people never knew that
this thing ever existed. And that was Clavern's letter to
arm the slaves. That letter his urbanes Buck talks quite
a bit about it, that he had gotten kind of moody,

(01:11:48):
and he'd gotten kind of quiet, and he spent several
weeks or working on this because, as he phrased it
in the letter, that the South was facing a crisis
and the crisis of fewer men. And I just told
you about what they were running into, because all this
time with the Atlanta campaign, his men were constantly complaining,

(01:12:12):
we don't lose a single fight, but we have to
leave the field because there's more of them than us.
And you know, if they would have armed the slaves,
you're talking between seventy five thousand and one hundred thousand men,
and that would have changed the outcome of war. And

(01:12:33):
now Robert E. Lee ended up doing it in April
of sixty five, but it was too late at that point.
You know, Clayburne wrote it, he talked to it with
his men. Some of them were for it, some of
them were against it. Go In liked it, Lowry liked it.
There were some of them that spoke out against it,

(01:12:54):
but they went signed it, sent the letter to the
Confederate Congress, and to say that it was squelched and
censored as a massive understatement. They ordered all copies of
it to be burned, including Clayburne's copy, and they censured
each man, asking them and instructing them to never speak

(01:13:17):
about it again. Well, there was one man that kept it,
a breen hand b e n h am bean Ham.
He kept his copy and he kept it in his records.
Now when he passed, his family come across it, and

(01:13:38):
they turned it over to the War Department. If it
had not been for that, nobody would even know that
Pat Claiburn wanted that. He wrote of the need for it,
and of course then you get you talk about that

(01:13:58):
side of him. Now, let's talk about what happening around
They went into winter quarters there around Tunnel Hill. Uh.
And he is the only Confederate general that I'm aware
of that was captured, released, captured and released. Okay, Licious

(01:14:23):
Poke and Pat Clayburn. Uh. Lucius Pope was under clavern
and Lucius Poke and some other men were going to
get into a big snowball fight. And since Lucius Pope
was sick, Pat Clabn took his spot in this snowball fight. Okay,
he got captured. Of course, they were talking about what

(01:14:47):
they were going to do to him. You know that
they were going to dunk him, which was to you know,
dunk him in the creek, but they said, no, since
you since we capture you, just go back to your town,
don't join the fight anymore. Oh, Pat couldn't stand it.
Next thing, you know, he's back out there, and this

(01:15:07):
time they run him all the way to his tent.
They go into the tent and they get him and
they bring him out and they're dunking him in the snow.
But then they released him again. But this time, the
third time, he did not go back. But that tells
you of the nature of this because he knew what
his men were going through during that time. He knew

(01:15:29):
that there was a big depression that had set into
his men because his men they were stopping every charge,
and every charge they made they succeeded, but at the
end of the day they had to leave the field.
And this the big depression had settled in on his men,
and he knew that that was something that they needed

(01:15:52):
to get out of. So he participated. And that tells
you of the man himself right there, human nature of
this man. Okay, So I was talking about spring Hill,
that debacle that happened there in spring Hill. John Belle,

(01:16:13):
who was in charge of the Confederate Army, well almost
said federal army, and he might as well have been,
But he was in charge of the Confederate Army, and
he had made orders. But he had gone and he
was staying at a home that was a few miles
from there, in the bed that he slept on that night.
His own display in the National Confederate Museum. But those

(01:16:37):
men come by next morning, they figure out what's happened.
They start in pursuit. Benjamin Franklin Cheatham, General B. F. Cheatham,
Pat Clayburn were having conversations. Lowry was in part of it.
All of these men were having conversations because Hood had

(01:16:57):
let it be known that he was going to blame
Pat Clavern because he had told Pat to move, and
Adam's right. The name of the house is Oklahom. He
had told Pat Clayburn to move when the men immediately
immediately to his left moved, those men never moved. So

(01:17:20):
Pat Clayburn never moved. He followed orders. What did you
expect him to do? But Hood definitely wasn't going to
take blame, so he was trying to see who was
going to settle and they When Clavering found out that
he was going to be blamed, he got very, very angry.

(01:17:42):
So the conversation ends up getting broke up because he's
told that he needs to get to the front of
the line because he's got to get somewhere, so to
get to the Harrison House. Now the Harrison House, yes,
Harrison is on the south side side of Winstead Hill.
There is a painting that is there and it is

(01:18:05):
Pat Clayburne on his horse talking to Nathan Bedford Forest
and that is painted there in front of the Harrison House.
But you get to the top of Winstead Hill, which
is owned by Sam Davis Camp twelve ninety three. So
you know Confederates on the top of the hill, and

(01:18:25):
you think a highway thirty one going in. You're looking
two and a half miles before you get to the earthworks,
and nearly three miles before you get to the Carter House.
You're looking at on the far right, going nearly a
mile all the way over to the golf course. You
know the Harporuth River. There's a golf course through there.

(01:18:46):
It used to be called Forest Crossing. When everything come
out against Confederates. It was just named to the change
the name to the crossing. But on the golf course
was where forest kept crossing the Harporuth River, and you know,
he had made several pinches into the back there, and
he was telling them, okay, we can get them from

(01:19:06):
the sides and get them into the back. And then
you're looking off to your left and it's nearly a
mile in this direction, not quite that long, so the
line's not really a two mile long line. It's a
little bit shorter than that. But they step off somewhere
around four pm in the afternoon. Claburn had lined his

(01:19:26):
men up one behind the other because at that point
all that could reach them was artillery fire. So they're
marching from Winstead Heel all the way to the carter
house there. You know, artillery can reach them. So they're
walking against over two miles against artillery. They get nearly
the two and a half miles to the first set
of federal earthworks and there's just hastily put out there,

(01:19:50):
and it's considered out there in no man's land, and
the man scream, let's just roll them into the trenches.
So they busted that first set and they're pushing them
all the way back to the main federal line. And
if you go to the Carter House today, you can
see with those artillery pieces, with those artillery pieces, that's
the actual battle line that was right there. And you

(01:20:14):
will see a spot that is marked and that's where
the infantry was. The infantry was entrenched in the artillery
barrels were coming out over their head. They were up
against the wheels. Now, when I first saw that, I'm going, okay,

(01:20:35):
I don't know about that, because if you've ever live fired,
you know the artillery piece rose back and your first
command is back in battery where you push it back
up to where you fired again. How do you feel
about all of that going on and it's above your head?
You know, what if you had a shell explode or
blow up a barrel or something like that. But I

(01:20:58):
want to take one brief step to something that happened
on top of Winstead Hill and Pat Clavern walked up
and he had sat down on the ground and there
was a stump, and he took his filled glasses and
put his elbows on the stump and he looked out
and he said, this is going to be a this
is going to be rough. This is there, dug in,

(01:21:20):
this is a formidable This is going to be a
rough charge. And Irvin s Buck says that he writes
in his book and he tucks it back in his coat.
And as he's getting his men ready to march off,
one of the and I think it's actually go Van

(01:21:41):
that comes up to him and goes, this is a
suicide And he said, and Pat Clavern go because this
is a suicide charge. You're going two and a half
miles and into three miles wide open territory. And it
is wide open because when you're there, there's a group
of osage orange trees that's off to the right boatop

(01:22:02):
trees if you want to call them that, but they're
o Sage orange. And there's not anything until you get
to that group of trees that's right there around the
carter house. There's nothing. This is all farmland. So they're
just marching across a wide open field. And Clavern goes,
if we're going to die today, this die like men.
So they get there and they roll up these earthworks

(01:22:23):
and they're fighting right there. It's the line's been broke
or time of two. You have the story of the
Confederate flag bear that sees them loading the cannon, and
he runs and he's going to use the staff of
the flag and spike the gun that way. And as

(01:22:46):
he's in the air coming over the earthworks to jam
the gun, they touch it off, and this young man
turns into a red mist, and that's what the Federal
call it. He turns into a red mist. And they're
fighting there, and you have horses that are dying going

(01:23:08):
over the earthworks, and there's men that are dying on
top of the earthworks, and the Federals are pulling some
of them over, you know, because they've got to keep
the fight going. And Claverance about thirty to fifty yards
from the Federal line. He's on horseback. An artillery shell

(01:23:36):
comes through the horse, knocks clavern and the horse down
on the ground. Horse is dead. A aid rides up,
a subordinate rides up. Clavering's coming out from under the horse.
He gets on that horse, and as he's throwing his
leg over the saddle, an artillery shell comes through that horse,

(01:23:59):
and a minute two minutes time, two had been had
two horses shot out from under him by an artillery
range of less than fifty yards urbanes Buck and was
one of the men that saw him last. And he

(01:24:19):
said that Patrick Clayburn was standing on the ground keep
you in one hand, sword in the other hand, screaming, waving,
rallying his men, and when his men got around him,
he turned and he disappeared into the smoke. The night

(01:24:40):
continues on the battle ends, but no sign of Pat
and his men start wondering about him, and they start
looking for him, and shortly before daylight they find him.
He's about thirty yards from the federal line. He had
been given a break new great uniform. The bottom three

(01:25:04):
buttons on his vest hadn't were not buttoned, and there
was a single bullet wound on the left side had
been shot by a minibow. Sometime during the night, somebody
stole his boots. They had taken his campy and covered

(01:25:32):
his eyes with it, almost like they couldn't stand the
thought of Clayburn watching them. Still his boots his overcoat
got gone. What would I what would we give to know?

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
He wrote down in that book that he wrote two
hours before maybe and then on the head written in there,
what would we give to have something like that? And
you know what this know what this man's thought was.
They now they the clever and keimpie. He kept his campie.

(01:26:16):
He didn't replace it. Uh. It belongs to the Tennessee
State Museum. The Sons of Tennessee Division Sons Confederate veterans
raised money to conserve that that campy. Uh. And they
know from you know, the forensics that they have to
do to restore it. You know, they this was here,

(01:26:40):
that was there, the sweat, the whole thing, and just
you know, I've been blessed to see it. And it's
almost one of these holy experiences, you know, especially coming
from somebody who drives past where he was laid to
rest for a little while. The they called the wagon over.

(01:27:05):
He was laid on the wagon right beside General Adams,
who was also killed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
There were five that got killed during the battle. There
was one more, a John Carter, a General John Carter.
He died on December fourth, and he is buried in
Rose Hill Cemetery. And I'll talk about rose Hill Cemetery here.
In a moment, they went and the ladies on the

(01:27:32):
porch at the Carton House, and then in just a
little while they took him to Columbia and they buried
clayburne uh there in rose Hill Cemetery and rose Hill Cemetery,
like I said, John Carter is buried there. There's a
Confederate section there. We don't know exactly where Clayburn was interred.

(01:27:55):
He was there less than a week because it come
up what he had said at Saint John's Church. So
they disinterred him there in rose Hill and they took
him to Saint John's Church and they buried him there
right beside Grandbury and Straw. The three of them were
buried there. All three have now been come and claimed

(01:28:18):
by family or their adopted homes. And Clavern stayed there
until eighteen seventy. And you had the Ladies Memorial Association,
and you had the Patrick Clayburn Society, something similar to that.
They had. They wanted to bring him to Helena, and

(01:28:41):
they disinterred him in eighteen seventy there at Saint John's Church,
and he made the trip across Tennessee, Tennessee, and he
was on a steamship that was in Memphis to go
up river to Helena. Jefferson Davis was there. They said,

(01:29:04):
several Confederate generals that lived in Memphis, One of them
we know was Nathan Bedford forest Isham Harris. He was
the elected governor of Tennessee during the war. He was there.

(01:29:24):
They were on the ship with the coffin, and this
irishman come up and he asked for permission to pray
over his commander. They said all they did was Jeff
Davis just nodded yes, and they said, this big irishman

(01:29:46):
come up, went to his knees, head on the coffin praying.
He was crying. The men around him were crying, and
he was praying and making all of the signs. And
if you want to say, oh Pat, now you've got

(01:30:07):
to go to Helen Arkansaw and does anybody have any
questions about old Pat. I'll go ahead and I'll tell
you one of his that he went by Ronan. His
family called him Ronan. His name was Patrick Roman Clayburn,
and he was named after his mother. It was his

(01:30:27):
mother's maiden name, and it was it had been spelt
multiple times itself r O n I n r O
n A n r O n A n E. You know,
a very prominent family, so much so that she has

(01:30:49):
royalty in her family. She had a ancestor that was
killed by Macbeth. So she was an extremely prominent family herself.
She was a descendant of royalty. His daddy was a
descendant of knights. Nobody knew this about Patrick Clayburn. He

(01:31:13):
never talked about it. He never bragged about it. There's
so many people that would guess who I'm descended of,
not him, not him. He was never the one to
talk about that. He believed the man earned his own way.
And that tells you of the character of the man

(01:31:35):
because he did earn his own way. And November the
thirtieth of eighteen sixty four in his adopted country, that
he believed in fighting for the belief that he believed in.

(01:31:56):
Not a you know this a hero. I mean, there
was no backing down. There was none of that. And
it showed, and it showed how people treated him. You know,
that big irishman just you know, on his knees, head

(01:32:18):
on the coffin, praying, crying, and you got a Confederate
President and the elected governor and Confederate General standing around,
and everybody's very quiet, and everybody's gotten very emotional. He
was a very very special man and he is the
kind of man that scares and terrifies a whole lot

(01:32:40):
of people because he's not going to back up. There
is no quick to the man. You can't buy him.
He's just the highest character that you can be. And
I'll finish this one little thing. Patrick la did take

(01:33:00):
one leave during the army waned during the war. He
went to Mobile, Alabama to be the best man for
another general. While he was there, he met a young

(01:33:22):
lady named Sarah Carlton s A r A t A
R l E t O N. And they got engaged.
So then I'll talk briefly about what happened in their
Tullahoma campaign around War Trace. There was news that had

(01:33:43):
come out that they were going to replace all the
flags out there, but those men did not want to
give up at hearty flag, and they protested and they
asked to keep it, and they were allowed to keep it.
The caveat with that was this when the Federals were

(01:34:03):
looking out across and they saw First Nationals, Second Nationals
and battles. But what about when they saw that hard e.
They knew where those Arkansas boys were and that was
where they would focus a lot of their attack because

(01:34:25):
if they attacked, they had to attack there with a
very large, powerful force because they were going up against
men who knew how to fight. Thank everybody for listening.
Hopefully this wasn't too boring. Li's some of your favorite

(01:34:46):
books about Patrick Clayburn, the one written by Irvin S. Buck.
Then there's another one that is called Patrick Clayburn Confederate General.
P Due. There was a husband and wife that wrote
that that was their last name, pure Due, and it's

(01:35:07):
just called Patrick Claiburn Confederate General. Those are two very
good ones. With the one that is Patrick Clayburn Confederate General,
he gets a oh lot into the what made Pat
who he was, and about all of his ancestral history,
and you'll read about Macbeth and all of that. And

(01:35:28):
Kenny Ramsey is talking about Captain Christopher Stuart Clavern. Okay,
Christopher Stuart Clavern was He was eleven, nearly twelve years
younger than Patrick, because Patrick was too, was eighteen months
old when his mother died and Patrick's dad remarried. So
Christopher was the half brother. But him and Pat got

(01:35:52):
along wonderful. Christopher and Pat got along wonderful. So when
the war started, Christopher was our already over here. When
the war started. He was a very good horseman. Pat
Clayburn introduced him to a man by the name of
John Hunt Morgan, and he fought as a captain because
he became very proud of him, and John Hunt Morgan

(01:36:16):
really liked him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
And it's he got killed May tenth of sixty four
at the Cloyd's farm, and Pat didn't know about that,
and he took it very hard. And then somebody mentioned
on here that he is called the Stonewall Jackson of
the West, And yes, he was called that during that time.

(01:36:41):
He earned that moniker because he always stood there, always
stood his grounds.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
Who I wanted a history lesson about Patrick Clayburne, I'm
gonna h clay Barton, Patrick Labor, thank you. I'm struggling obviously. Yeah,
we spent we spent like fifteen minutes talking about the
pronunciation and how to spell it, and I still can't

(01:37:09):
pronounce it or spell it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
It didn't matter because I've talked to him and they
all answered all of it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
So but uh, I have been wanting uh to know
more about him for quite a while. I just haven't
had time to open a book. Hence why I ask
everybody some books for everybody to read who are interested
about this. A great man because uh again, when we

(01:37:36):
picked out that quote for the T shirt is when
I fell in love. I was like, man, I have
to know more about Patrick because that quote hits me hard,
especially today when people have told me to walk away
from my Confederate heritage, to to you know, turn my
back on all this. You know, And here is a

(01:37:57):
general I'm with the South in victory or death. Yes,
And that's how I feel about honoring these men because
I'm not doing this for myself. I'm doing it because
men like Patrick Clayburn are just great men in history

(01:38:18):
that need to be learned from and studied, respected and honored.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
And I cannot thank Jason enough for coming on tonight
and doing this fantastic talk. Jason made it sound like
he had a talk. He didn't tell me he was
going to bring the house down. He was like, I
got so I can throw something together.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Yeah, I can talk about him.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Yeah, I can maybe give you twenty minutes. And I
was like, okay, that's fine, I mean, just something. Well.
I felt Patrick's day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
I felt bad. I really did. I spoke at the
Highland Brigade Patrick Clayburne Saint Patrick's Day dinner on Sunday
on Saturday, and as we're leaving, I kind of got
the feeling that I was going a long, you know,

(01:39:17):
and I need to go hurry up markus. And there
was and this even with this stuff, there's stuff I
left out, you know, and it's just cause to talk
about a man of this nature, you know, this could
go for a while. So and I'll finish up, and
I'm coming home with Linda, and I say, I feel

(01:39:37):
bad that I went that long. You know. I was
wanting to cut off at about thirty to forty minutes
and I hated to go to forty five. And she goes, no,
you did an hour. And I felt about that tall
because you know it just when you start talking about

(01:39:58):
these men of these characters, I mean, these men, I
mean it's just and your ancestor was that way. We're
talking about, you know, Pat Clayburn, because he was the general.
What could we do if we had more information on
the men that fought underneath him? And they were writing,

(01:40:19):
and they wrote diaries and they wrote all of that.
Well when they you know, you get the big picture
with Claver, But can you imagine what these men were
going through when they were fighting in and around at
Atlanta and at Chickamauga and all of this, and you know,
and that was your ancestor, and they were all that way.

(01:40:40):
So when you think about and you read about Pat,
and you think about the men that were underneath them,
it was the same with Stonewall Jackson, you know, with
the Stonewall Jackson and Stonewall Jackson of the West. It
was the same thing. When you can't talk about them
without talking about their men. And it's just the same thing.
We can talk about God all day and never talk

(01:41:02):
about the Confederate soldier, but you're not going to talk
about the Confederate soldier very long without talking about God.
And because that was even with Pat Clayburn, it was
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
And these are just excellent, great men. And you know
the beauty of this is we get to talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Them and uh learn so much about them. And I
don't even know how it's possible to respect these men
even more. But every time I hear one of these stories,
it blows my mind just how great these men were.

(01:41:44):
Oh yes, yes, truly the pillars of the Southern community.
I would even say I mean just just great men.
And uh, I'm so happy that you came on a
commander to tell us all all about him. Teaches a
bit of history and maybe, just maybe we can all

(01:42:04):
start being a bit more like Patrick.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Well what if we all were what if we all
had Clavern Forrest Lee Jackson all rolling through our veins?
Oh wait a minute, we do, so why don't we
just do what they did? They were, They were honestly
great men, and my I would I just thought Pat

(01:42:35):
Clavern was a broke, poor irishman until you started studying,
till I started studying that he come from this, he
come from that because he never told anybody, He made
his own way. Definitely a great man of character, and
I think in many times he has been greatly underappreciated

(01:42:57):
for the kind of person that he was us.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
I'll agree with that, yes, And hopefully in the near
future we'll have another episode on Patrick, because I mean,
ky Lee, how can we not? And I asked that
everybody please share this episode out so we can get
it out to as many people as possible. Thank Commander

(01:43:21):
Bouchiers for coming on and giving this excellent program.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
It was my honor and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Make sure you're wearing green. I know it's you know,
nine or ten into at most of our viewers, even
later for some of our other viewers across the world.
But you know, maybe you wear some green tomorrow too,
in honor of this great man and his heritage which
is now our heritage. Yes, so again, make sure to

(01:43:52):
share this episode out and email SCV Youth Outreach at
gmail dot com, and you'll be featured on this week's
Look around the Confederation this Thursday at seven pm Confederate
Standard time. There will be one this Thursday. Me and
Commander got we both got confused on our schedules, with

(01:44:13):
both of us somehow volunteering for the same Thursday that
neither of us could do. I don't know how we
managed it, but I had my camp meeting. He was
doing some business. Yes, I looked up and I was like,
I ain't nobody to host today, but I can tell
you my camp had an excellent meeting. But make sure

(01:44:38):
tune in this Thursday. We're gonna catch up on the
news from last week, and of course this week we
are going to be getting a look around back on
a more regular scheduled program. Now, we apologize for that
it was a weird start this year to the poor program,
but that show we'll be getting on back on track,
and of course make sure to tune in next Monday

(01:44:59):
as we past Commander in Chief Larry mcclouney on to
talk about Beauregard and Fort Sumter, so it's gonna be
a great episode with him. I'm looking forward to it.
And then after that episode, the last Monday of the
month is Heart and Home where we have executive director
Adam Southern come on to give you an update about
your museum and your HQ. And of course we're about

(01:45:23):
to be in April, so get ready for a lot
of great things coming out of SCV Chat in April.
We just started putting things in Stone today about shows, videos,
and so much more we cannot wait to do. You
don't be shocked if this is done as a rerun
in April because of how great the episode was, So

(01:45:43):
make sure to do all that and we will see
y'all this Thursday, and remember chatheads no fumar in the elevator.
Good night, everybody.

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