SCV CHAT SEASON 6 EPISODE 17-Attacks on our Heritage

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (02:28):
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Speaker 3 (02:32):
And lands.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Rasen, she seen me up, little sad.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
The champing man, black of red train rolling bringing truth.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Bombs down, then high the mood in the Southland waterway
out of time?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
So what week at a time?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Chance? Not? Now? Okay, hello there, hmm. I cannot express

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this enough this evening. If I say it once tonight,
I will say it a million times, and I want
to ask Harris and you just keep keep it scrolling
on the bottom of the screen. But the views and
opinions expressed this broadcast are not necessarily those the sebh
GC or Indie Division brigades or camps or other subsidiaries,
strictly those of us expressing them, especially because tonight is

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a current events night. We're gonna talk about some current
events and stuff that's happening, uh, you know within the
south Land. We kind of did that a couple of
weeks ago, and we're gonna give our opinions.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
On some of this.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Some of it is good news and some of it
is uh uh I find it very very interesting. Yeah,
it's uh, it's it's it's gonna be uh very interesting.
Before we get kicked off though it's hello to everybody
in the chat. Andrew Love, our newest Patreon member is

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in in the YouTube world. Kyle is here, and he
is not twenty minutes late this time.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Dude, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Uh well, he's out of the running for the Tardiness Award,
that's for sure. Yeah, I mean, you know, just gollye pass.
Commander and Chief Chuck McMichael is worn out from the
Battle of Jefferson, Texas. This past weekend looked like it
was a good event. David Pope is still here from
the beautiful, beautiful Eastern Tennessee representing the Long Street Zolcoffer

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Camp number eighty seven. Derek, good to see you in.
Jason and Lloyd. We're talking about We're gonna do a
little bit of talk about the Commonwealth tonight, so feel
free to chirp on end. Doctor Sandy Mitchum, greetings to
Northeast Louisiana from Central Mississippi and uh yeah, well, well, Kyle,

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that's what you get for being you know, you being
on time.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Anyway, Fellows of a Kyle being on time, I feel
like we should just call the show here. It's only
going to go downhill from here.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well, I have a question for you. How was the
heritage not airic? Excuse me? How was a the National
Pilgrimage film Springs. It was good, It was good.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I had a good time visiting with Adam and my
unofficial official probably my father, Jason Bouchiers.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Could be I mean it could or could not be?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Could or could not be? I mean it's a very
good question.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I've been trying to get him to submit to a
DNA test for years and he just won't do it.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But I had a good time visiting with him. And
of course I always have a good time.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Going up and doing some stuff for suv chat, like
filming the Pilgrimage and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
It's always fun and interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Well, I could not attend this year. I uh what
Friday night, I had to speak at a camp in
h Mendenhall, Mississippi, and gave my barkstill talk and hold
on one second, I can mute my mic for a second.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
No, Adam keeps promising a personal tour of Elm Springs
in the.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Museum for me, but uh, he refused. My arms aren't
short enough. We'll see you know, you get some things.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
From your parents you get some things from others that
what uh just someone saying my arms aren't short enough
to be Jason's kids.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
But you know, watch watch watch watch.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Identical right? Uh identical? Rar huh? Anyway, uh so uh yeah,
we uh we had a good We're sorry, I was
I was spoken about my bar still talk. I've redundan
all if you remember, I gave it last year on

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chap the first time after fourteen years of research, and
I finally compiled all my notes and all my research,
and it's now for forty eight pages, and I'm quite
quite happy with it. Hold on a.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Second Faversham to the lovely Carl Jones.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
See, I mean like, let me just tilt see what
I mean. Look, I look just like Jason in any
meeting Jason's at Can you hear me in the back.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
You're muted, Connor, Yeah, I know, I forgot to unmute myself. Sorry.
The female friend was sending me something, so she comes
in first place these days. Yeah, so I couldn't. I
couldn't make Plus I'll spend spend some time with her.
So it was a very good, very good weekend. Spend

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some time, you know, being able to relax a little bit.
I hate that I missed it. It was my first,
uh first pilgrimage to miss. But maybe maybe next week. Yeah, yeah,
it does come with the necessity lect But before we

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get kicked off on tonight's episode, we do have our
new segment. Carl Jones, our official weather person for SCV Chat,
has sent us his weather report for this evening.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean, what do you want to do about Look,
I got to do a weather report. Take the dog
on truck and go get him on the dick. Sorry, man,
I forgot a while here.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Thank you Carl for that lovely weather report. What's the matter?

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Moves?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I quit?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, it looks like we broke loose again. Uh. He
needs to get used to these weather reports. Of course,
last week's weather report was spot on and accurate, with
it being it's about to be dark. So thank you again,
Carl for that lovely weather report. Hopefully we'll have an
update later on the show to get back to topic
for tonight though, I'm sure I hope everybody saw on

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I think it was Saturday, the second out of the
Commonwealth of Virginia that Governor Younkin. Well, first, let me backtrack, uh.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Do do do?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Let me duplicate this uh tab I thought I had
everything pulled up, but I didn't. And Moos is back.
So a little bit of a little bit of an
update for everybody. Virginia House Bill sixteen ninety nine was

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introduced in this year to the General Assembly there in Virginia,
and it was aimed to regulate public display as a
Confederate SIMBLS monument.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Now that is not it.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
That is a wrong, wrong bill for Virginia.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
HB.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Essentially what it would do it was about tax exempt
Confederate organizations, and it would the summary text has introduced
tax exemps Confederate Organization. Eliminates the exemption from state taxes
for the Virginia Division of the United Daughters. The Confederacy.
Eliminates the tax exempt designation for real and personal property

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owned by the Virginia Division United Doggars Confederacy, the General
Organization of the United Dollars Confederacy, the Confederate Memorial Literary Society,
the Somuel Jackson Memorial Incorporated, the Virginia Division, Suns, Confederate
Veterans of the Egypt Stewart Birthplace Preservation Trust, which are
all things that that are. They're all Confederate Entities. Governor

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Younkin on the second vetoed this bill, and this is
the Governor's veto message with it. Pursue it to Article five,
Section six the Constitution of Virginia. I veto House Bill
sixteen ninety nine eliminating taxes specific organizations the Commonwealth ship
pass necessary reforms reguarding exemptions from local property and recordiation taxes. Historically,

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the Constitution of Virginia permitted the Virginia Assembly to grant
exemptions from local taxation to specific nonprofit organizations through classification
or designation with a three fourths vote in each chamber.
In two thousand and three, constitutional amendment altered the process
to ordinance based exemptions, but those established with for January first,
twenty twenty three or excuse me, two thousand and three

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remain in force. The Property attack Exemption by Designation is
is RPE for reform delineated by inconsistencies and discrepancies, Specific
civic organizations and for profited Businesses AMPT are exempted, while
others are not. Among these groups, some organization have titles
offensive and contemporary discords discourse, such as the outdated reference

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to the Intellectual and developing disabled. Some organizations reference political
affiliation and engage in political contributions, like ocean View, Democratic
and Social Club, while others have historical societies whose lineage
is connected to very divisive periods of history, such as
the Civil War illustrated by the United Dollars of Confederacy.
Narrowly targeting specific organizations. This is the key portion narrowly

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targeting specific organizations to gain or lose such tax exemptions
that it's an inappropriate precedent. Initially, the General Assembly granted
exemptions through a three quarters vote of both chambers, but
now a simple majority can revoke them. Choosing winners and
losers is imprudent and undermines the tax system's fairness and
more effectively, approach to reform when involved broad based measures

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allowing local government's autonomy for determining tax exemption and considering
the localities tax base indeed transfers. These considerations would be
permitted when a county or city sets its real estate
tax levy, helping to reduce effective tax increase the assessments. Unfortunately,
the General Assembly rejected my recommendation, which would have accomplished

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broad based reform to address this issue. For taxestion effectively. Accordingly,
I veto this bill. So that is some that is
some good news out of the Commonwealth of Virginia that
young Kin did veto the bill, and he says in
there that you know, just because you know you are
a Confederate linked organization doesn't mean that you should be
treated any differently and doesn't mean that you should be

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specifically targeted for you still have to exclaim thrown across
the bottom right there. I can't see.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yes, yeah, it's still there.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Specifically targeted because you are a Confederate organization, or just
because whatever political party is in power at that time
you hold a disagreement with their philosophy, ideology, or even
name which is which is which is good? Which is correct?
And of course, as we know, you know ud SEE
National Headquarters is there in Richmond, and and we remember,

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you know, them being attacked in twenty twenty. I don't
know the financial implications, you know, if all of a sudden,
you know, they had to pay taxes on their headquarters buildings.
I don't know what that would happen, but I imagine
it it would hurt tremendously, just like here in Mississippi,
if all of a sudden, the Mississippi Division lost its
tax exempt status or charitable status with the state. That

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you know, we would then be up a creek without
a paddle, oh yeah, with our finances. But but Youngin
made the correct decision. So the defeat of this So
my pre thoughts, y'all make sure y'all are sharing this
episode out. We've got kind of a low attendance right now.

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M But this bill, introduced during the twenty twenty five
General Assembly sessions, sought to impose stringent regulations on on
these on our organizations. Uh, Governor Younkin veat up blah
blah blah. The defeat of the bill is a powerful

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stand for historical integrity and the principles of local control.
You know, he he Youngkin rejected an addition one hundred
and fifty some odd bills. But you know, it was
a steadfast commitment to safeguarding Virginia's interest earlyst hours and
it also aligns with values that we cherish in the South.

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But you know, this victory, while it is a victory
in Virginia, and and I really applaud everybody who reached
out to the Governor's office. The emails calls whatever or
even to the General Assembly. So you know that's that's
you know, I do applaud then. But this is you know, Virginia,
because of certain areas in the state right outside the

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federal capital, has has you know, been a primarily blue state.
You know, if you watched our election night coverage on
our other channel, yeah, we kept it. We kept a
good eye on Virginia until those counties in the northern
part of the state came in. And yeah, in Virginia

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is is it is one state. It's an Upper Dixie.
And of course we love our offer patriots up there,
including early Lieutenant Commander in Chief. I don't know if
he's watching or not, but it you know, it's you
usually I've seen a lot of stuff, you know, or
we've seen a lot of stuff startup in Virginia and
then work its way down into the Deep South. And

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and we need to be ever vigilant on our toes.
You know that the Virginia Assembly is probably going to
try again to you know, do something along this nature.
And and Youngkin cannot run for re election, you know,
he's he's out of office. They I think they have
an election in November, so you know, Uh, this is

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a time for us to all, you know, be on
our piece and ques minding what we do because you
know this, this victory is not just a victory in
that one state. It's a beacon of hope and but
also a beacon of warning. UH, to preserve our heritage
is intensifying.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Granted, we've talked about some great things. You know, this
is a you know, this is a great shot in
the arm. It is a w We talked about that
uh county in North Carolina that removed their contextualization plaques
and the monuments you know, back back to normal for now.
We're seeing stuff happen all throughout the South. Monuments going up,
monuments being re erected, things of that nature. But you know,

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the war, well, the culture war that we're in their
culture versus our culture to try to destroy our history.
Even though it may be you know, kind of we
may we may look and it's kind of you know,
calm down. Since twenty twenty two, and we'll talk about
that in a little bit, it's still a very intense thing.

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So yeah, I mean, meanwhile in states, other states are
still trying to ban and restrict Confederate symbols in public spaces,
so we're seeing it. But you know, this is a
southern state, so we all need to be on our
p's and q's. We need to be watching everything. We

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cannot at this time afford to be complacent. And we've
said it once on this channel. We've set it one
hundred times. You know, we need to be watching what's
happening in our local communities. The veto of HB sixteen
ninety nine is a cause for celebration, but it's also
a call to prepare for the next challenges ahead. And
you think about you think back at the war. You know,

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we would win one battle and then you know the
Yankees were, especially in the East. The Yankees would retreat
back to Washington, and a couple months later they'd come back,
and they'd try to come back harder and harder, and
harder and harder. It's the same thing. You know, they
maybe licking their wounds right now, but you better believe
they're trying to figure out a way to get back
to us. Just like how you know, in Mississippi, for example,

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in two thousand and one, we beat two to excuse me,
sixty seven percent to thirty three percent. On the flag fight,
and we thought it would just go away. But you know,
in twenty fifteen and in twenty twenty, things jin back up,
and you know, we lost our flag. So that's the thing.
You know, we cannot sit back beaking place in the

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rest of our laurels. Now is the time for us
to continue on. I don't know what states are still
have the legislatures in session, but you know, definitely when
they go in session, be watching. Mississippi is more than
likely going to have a special session called here within
the next couple of weeks for some budgetaries. Luckily, with
our state constitution they can the legislature can only vote

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on things that the governor sets forth on the agenda.
So unless the governor decides to do something completely crazy,
which I don't see happening, knock on wood, you know,
we should be safe through the special session. But you
better believe we're gonna have our eyes open on it.

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We have to.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
We've lost the ability to be able to, oh, we've
won the battle, let's just sit back and wait.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
We we've lost that ability, right, but.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
But that's the but that's the thing we have. But
we we we've got to keep our eyes open for
the next for the next front, because I'm gonna tell
you what's gonna happen. And you know they're gonna try
to get in Virginia, but you know what, they're also
gonna try probably North Carolina next legislative session. If I
had to guess, you know, and and try to roll

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both bills out of there, that's that's I mean, I
hate to be a pessivor. I'm not. I'm not really
a pessimist, and I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm
not the you know, like John the Baptist prophet of
the Wilderness screaming. But I hope I'm wrong. I hope
that you know, this just up and dies. But you know,
given what we've seen happen over the past several years,

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it's probably not. So we need to be very aware
as it starts coming down the eastern seaboard towards.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
US, and I think it's gonna hit all the South.
I mean, you said it.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
This bill specifically attacked Confederate heritage organizations, Yeah, US, the UDC,
multiple other ones. And if they get it pasted in Virginia,
just wait, it will come up to the point where
the whole.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Sev is being taxed. The whole UDC.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Every other Confederate heritage organization that's a nonprofit all of
a sudden doesn't have that.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
And and it's kind of ironic that that it's on
the the issues our ancestors bought on states right state sovereignty,
and it's and it's the state tax exempt status that
that's being threatened to, not the federal yet, knock on wood,
although I'm sure you know, I'm not even gonna mention it.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Well, I'm sure they'll get the idea from Virginia.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah. Well, well, I have hope for the current national administration.
I would like to see you know, Congress step up
and uh like like that executive order that he signed
last month, I hope that Congress will step up and
codify that. But I think that hopefully with this Doge

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stuff that maybe just maybe you know, they'll they're they're
focused and getting their neck off the American taxpayer and
not looking at you know, charitable organizations, uh, because that
was one thing that that the previous administration did was
looked at charitable organizations like churches and stuff like that
that did not follow their their ideology and you know

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began trying to help target them and and certain people
as well. But we need to watch our our own
state legislatures because they will likely be trying to push
similar bill bills at some point in the future. You know,
the preservation get worse.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Because I mean, I've just been keeping me up and
I'm not even Virginia.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right right, Yeah, And and Jason makes a good point.
Fortunately North Carolina Conservatives control their legislature for now. And
and Jason says this was a second attempt this year
to eliminate tax exempt Last year in Virginia, they also
went after the s a R, D a R and
other organizations along with the ud C and the s CV,

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which kind of goes back to what we've said in
the past. You know, we're just we're just the low
hanging fruit, and you know, they'll they'll throw the baby
out with the bathwater. But I mean, at least this
time they they they they just targeted us, trying trying
to strike us first. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
There again, they're they tried it the first time and
try to get everybody they wanted. But it's just the
clear destruction of American history and destroying those who have
sworn to preserve and protect it as soon as you
get rid of organizations like ours, like the UDC, LIKESAR
like d A r Uh, we're kind of these historical

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organizations have turned into from we're just helping preserve it
to the last line of the fence, right.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Which which I'll get into that when we go to
our second portion. And if any of our patreons are watching,
we do have the Patreon chat open. We're trying to
check in between uh or I'm trying to check between
different different tabs and stuff right now, but Harrison's pulling
it up so we can all, you know, talk at
the same time. And if you want to join our patreon,

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s cv chat dot com, slash or is it slash
scv chat dot com, how to help us support? Yeah, support,
that's it. But the preservation of our heritage is not guaranteed. UH.
It requires active for being, activity and sustained effort from

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each one of us. And that's on every level the uh,
you know, the camp, the individual level, the camp level,
the brigade level, the division level, UH, the army level,
and the national level. We all have to be paying attention,
especially on the camp level. UH, because camp and individual level,
because you are our eyes and ears in the local community.
The national level cannot wave a magic wand and fix
your problems. You know, if you are in Biloxi, Mississippi,

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which is eight hours away from headquarters, you know, national
cannot just pick up stakes and then come down there
and try to help you out. They don't They don't
know your culture, of your geographic area. They don't know
the background of your geographic area. They don't know the
place is your geographic area. And that's why it's important
for us to be in our communities. And on the
second segment of the show, when we talk about something else,

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then you'll understand why and I'll pull it up and
show you.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
As for our five V go ahead talking about communities
in the next part, you said.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Well there's something else, but it comes up. I'll I'll
tell you, Okay, I got.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Something on communities I want to bring out there when
the time is right.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, well, I'll go ahead and tell you. The next
portion is deals with a certain oxymoronic organization. It's not Southern,
they're not broke, and they're not a legal center. That's
how I'm going to refer to them. And if you
can figure out what I'm talking about. Uh, they have
put out their entire playbook.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Online, only a.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Confederate monument and we'll be bringing that up. Oh I
need that after the break, but before we get to that.
As for our five oh one C three chapters or
camps rather, and then of course I say chapters for
you know, any any organizations that's listening and spells, especially
anybody who's not affiliated with the SEV and they're thinking

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about joining their hearing about this and this may be
the first episode they're watching. Chapters are camps or what
we call our camps. That's our terminology for it. We
have to be very careful, as we've said before in
navigating the i r s's regulations. We cannot endorse candidates

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or engage in partisan political campaigns. However, we can and
should participate in my views and opinion an issue based
advocacy to protect our heritage. Our camps can educate the
public by hosting seminars, distributing fast based materials, or maintaining
websites that explain the historical significance of different monuments symbols,

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as well as our organization and what we do. We
can submit public comments on proposed legislation to state our
local government governments emphasizing and the cultural and historical value
of preserving our landmarks, our organizations, and our history. Additionally,
our camps can partner with other historical preservation groups to amplify,

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especially other veteran rights organizations, to amplify our voice. Provided
these efforts remain nonpartisan and focused on our mission. But
organizing community events such as heritage festivals, monument rededication ceremonies,
Confederate heritage, different events, whether it's a memorial service or

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if you have a Confederate Heritage banquet or Lee Jackson
banquet or something like that, and inviting the local community.
These help us advance our The next thing that we
can do is as individuals, we have greater flexibility to act.
First and foremost, get informed on what your legislative have,
your legislation or legislative branch of government, or county or

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parish government, how they operate. As Chuck McMichael said, there
are various legislative portals on almost every state's website where
you can go and you can search key legislation by keywords.
I'll give you an example right here. I'm trying to
pull it up. You'll give me one minute move see

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if there any comments, because I can't I can't read.
I'm looking at something I can read.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I'm just I know. It caught me off guard. I
can't read. I was like, well, I mean that's it happens. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
No, community support is a must to have to have
these small victories that lead eat into huge victories. And
that's something I have tried to really stress is please
get out your community and do what you have to
to get out in your community.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
So so this is the Mississippi legislative website. This is
just a report of all measures. So if we went
and search CEO, n F HE or I can I
type one handed and evidently I can't backspace anymore. All right, fine, hmm, well,

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dang have it. I'll refresh the tab. More than one
way to skin a cat.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
That there is.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Now how we skin it is something else. But anyway,
the state's website's not going to cooperate with me, clearly.
But you go in there, and you know, like I said,
each each state is different, each county is different, each
parish is different. So go through and you know, work
on it, work on getting it searched. And search on

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you know, look at bills. So that's the thing Number one,
get informed on on that. Rewatch your schoolhouse rock how
a bill becomes law. But follow follow what they're doing.
If your division does not have a legislative committee, Mississippi
has one. We're in the middle of revamping our entire

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Heritage Jobs program so that we have somebody who is
that is their job is to watch legislation and they
have a good relationship with several legislators and trying to
influence policies on that end, on the front.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
End, and we transtibility. We desperately needed someone like that,
and I think everybody does. And I hope that your
Heritage Operations already has a department for that, but if not,
now would be the time because we are going to
continue to get these attacks via legislation. Yeah so, but

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that but that's the That's the first thing is track
bills that could impact you know, historical monuments or symbols
or tax status or or whatever you have.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Uh, remember that knowledge is power, and we have we
have two major bullets in our arsenal. We have the
truth of history and we have money. And they're trying
to do away with the second bullet. Uh. But of
course you know knowledge is power, and understand the specifics
of proposed legislation. So when you read the bill, make
sure you read it and if you've got to run

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it through AI to condense it and got copied all
and condense it and get it put into non legally terms,
you do that. But also make sure in your knowledge
and your understanding is that you have a history, let's
say of the Wayne County Monument there in Wayne County,
obviously at Mississippi. I know y'all have your history y'all's monument.

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You know exactly who owns the monument and where the
funds came from, everything like that. Just in case something
comes up, you have that available and you can help
dispute any claims about well, this person owns it or
this person owns it.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Make sure you have as much information on whatever in
your community will come up for attack, and make sure
you know that and you are an expert on it.
But that's that's the first thing is fall follow bills
and then ball bills. Make sure you understand your edge,

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your your your particular legislative body, how they operate things
like that. Make sure you know who, your who, your
county or like in Mississippi, your House of Representative House
of Representative member is as well as your state senator.
You may not get something on one side, but you
may can get work on the other because the House
and the Senate have to work together to make the

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bill a law and present it to the governor and
then go to the governor try to, you know, get
them to veto and if they still pass it, like
what happened in Virginia. So when you know who they are,
engage directly with them, write letters or emails, calls, things
of that nature. Remember be polite in whatever you're sending.

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National National has the uh one click politic. You know,
if it's a if it's a sure enough big thing,
you know, follow your chain of command to get to
get that. But if you need to use it, I'm
sure National doesn't mind, you know, helping people use it.
The next big thing is attend the meetings. Try to

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find out if it's on your local level, and it's
your county board supervisor or your parish board of supervisors
or city council or whatever. If you're finding out that
something is happening, you need to be there. But before that,
how about you try going to begin with because you
usually they'll bring stuff up or they'll talk to talk

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about stuff in the meeting that'll be on the next meeting.
People in government loved to meet to talk about the
next meeting. I know because I had one of those today.
But even if you just show up, excuse me, and
nothing is going on, it's still good for you to
have a voice or at least an ear on what

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you're hearing in the community. But be clear, be respectful,
and be specific and share personal stories about what our
heritage means to us when you have to oppose different
bills or resolutions or things like that. And fourth or

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next is connect with others. Make sure that you are
working with your local events or not local events, excuse me,
your local other organizations, either being veterans rights or historical societies, churches,
Masonic lodges, lines club rotary clubs, Kawana's International Order of Oddfellas,

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the Moose, the Elks, whatever other civic organizations are out there.
Make sure that you are working with them. Get in
with them quick, exchange clubs, uh, you know, get in
with them quick, fast and in a hurry. If you
are not already. The support of these organizations to help
defend our history is very very very important. Recruit friends,

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family members, and neighbors to join the cause. Educate your community,
share stories of our ancestors, uh, share stories of like
where my camp is located. Most of the guys came
from company out of the six Mississippi Infantry, So you know,
tell their stories because you you never know, you may
have somebody there who was in the part of that unit. Harrison.

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Did you have somebody in the Wayne Rifles?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
All right, see there we go and there there are
other uh descendants of those men there in the They're
in your local community, so know that. But be proactive.
Do not be reactive because the next battle could be
in our in your community, in your town, in your state, whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, and this is what I wanted to bring up earlier.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
California has worked hard to get out in their community
to the point where the mayor, a mayor and a
vice mayor has asked them to help in that community's
big event.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
And I could not stress it more important.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
If it can happen in California that an elected official
wants to be seen with the division commander of the
California Division.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It can happen here, we just have to work for it.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, well, Carl has sent us another weather update. Let's
see what he's got to say. Please, I guess the
weather's not gonna weather. H Thank you, Carl. But that

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kind of moves us into the next portion of tonight's
discussion on current events. The group that is not Southern,
they're not broke, and they are not a legal center.
Good uh if if sorry? Uh. That particular group has

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since about This is their fourth edition of a project
that they call Whose Heritage is It? And I'll bring
it up in a second. And it's a report that
they came out with of April two thousand and twenty five,
and of course looking at it, we're getting at birds
of you into what our enemies are thinking. But the

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people who want to destroy our and defame our ancestors,
the ones leading the charge against us, although behind the
scenes at times, but definitely involved. What they're what they want.
It's it's literally their game plan of destroying us. And
it's a aye into their mind and how they're thinking.

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So their key report and key finding data, the twenty
twenty five report from them reveals that over two thousand
Confederate symbols remain in public spaces the nationwide, and that
two over two thousand is correct, but it's very vague.
If you go on that one particular site, they have

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a listing of monuments and schools and street names, and
it is not complete. Thank god. I was going through
there and looking through some of the ones in Mississippi
and they do not have full full acts. Are not
full access, but a full listing, which is good for
us because you know, a certain other group can go

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on that website and look and see and see that, oh,
there's a monument over here in this podunk area, I'm
going to go and hit it with a truck, or
I'm going to go and paint it, or you know,
something like that. Because they don't have a full listing
of our memorials. That's that is a blessing in and
of itself, but also shows just how ignorant they are,

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So that's that's good. But that remain in public spaces
nations nationwide, including nearly nine hundred monuments dedicated to Confederate
figures or ideals, hundreds of places named in honor of
Confederate leaders, and other symbols like state flags or holidays.
Since the two twenty fifteen on you know, shooting at

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the church in Charleston, four hundred and eighty two Confederate
symbols have been removed or renamed, including two hundred and
eighty seven monuments, with significant waves of removals following events
like the twenty seventeen charlottesvild rally and the twenty twenty
George Floyd events. However, and this is this is a
good thing. However, the pace of removals have slowed with

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only seventeen symbols. And when they say symbols, they're referring
to you know, if the battleflags on a county or
city seal, if a street was named after Jefferson Davis
or Braxton Bragg or something like that, if the school
was named after a Confederate hero or something like that.
You know, that's what they consider as symbols, right, not
just talk about monuments. But seventeen symbols were removed in

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twenty twenty four as compared to seventy three and twenty twenty,
so you know, there is a decrease and especially a
decrease in what's being done. Granted, I don't believe the
street names or uh, street names, building names, things of
that nature should be changed. I don't believe we should
lose the holidays. I don't believe it should be removed

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from anything. But you know, that's that's they're so desperate
at this point because the tide is changing for us
and some of the things that we have reported on
and that we have seen that and and especially with
with the vast majority of the gen Alpha being more
conservative than the Zoomers and especially more than US millennials,

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we are seeing that that conservative and not not politically conservative,
but you know some politically conservative.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
But you know that that shift shifting more to traditional
values and things of that nature, you know, being shifted
more this way, uh than the previous generations. That's that's good.
So that we we see that as a victory. And
we see that you know, the monument again uh in
North Carolina for example, contextualization pl like being removed or

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the previous mentioned Vito of that bill being a victory
for us. We're seeing more and more victories come up,
legal victories and things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
There this is a very defeatist idea that they have
and of course, you know, being being defenders of Confederate
history and heritage, we we want to make sure that
the symbols remain, as they're an integral part of Southern
heritage and history. The monuments are honor the sacrifice of
Confederate soldiers, many of whom were ordinary men fighting for

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their homes, and not you know, political analogus. The removal
of the four hundred and eighty two symbols during the
emotionally charged eras of fifteen twenty, they often happened without
community consensus, and the communities are speaking out slow downwards

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like a grown public recognization that erasing symbols and history
risk sanitizing history, and each monument serves as a tangible
link to our past as well to our families. They
continued onto their report, writing that Confederate symbols were not erected.
Of course, that normal bull crap that it was. It

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was during Jim Crow era the late nineteenth to the
mid twentieth century to try to you know, keep the
status quo and promote the lost Cause mythology and a
revisionist narrative that portrays the confederateor as Confederate as a
noble defense of state rights rather than a fight to
preserve slavery direct quote from those people. Those people also

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argue that these symbols were strategically placed in prominent public spaces,
such as courthouses and state capitals, to reinforce white supremacy
and then to intimidate black communities during periods of oppression.
Of course, we all know that's a lot. We know
that the delay in erecting Confederate monuments was primarily due
to the South severe economic devastation following the war, which

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of the states.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
If I go the Oxford, it took the Oxford ug
you see, fourteen years of fundraising to be able to
afford the monument that was on campus.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Fourteen years.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
And these were the wives of the trustees, professors, people
in Civil warities. They had to keep doing fundraisers, multiple
different types, just to get the money because everything was
destroyed nearly and we were in an economic turmoil. But

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they won't tell you about that. They'll just say we
waited because we just are evil people and we all
belong we're.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I don't know if I could say that on their
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
That were evil and we're all going to hell and
things of that nature. Yeah, our views and opinions of
their views and opinions of us. You know, it's it's
estimated that, uh, the economic h impact of the of
the war on the South was you know, roughly five
point two billion in economic losses, which is the equivalent

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to over one hundred billion today. We had a destroyed infrastructure,
agriculture proper, you know, livestock you know, being done. Reconstruction
policies and economic processions during especially during Grant's administration, uh
further delayed our recovery, making you know, large scale monuments projects,
you know, financially and uh financially unfeasible until decades after

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the war. They also say that we we just put
monuments there, you know, in certain areas to support you know,
one ideology over another, and we know that that is wrong.
Monuments were placed in historically significant locate such as you know, Brandon, Mississippi,
my hometown. The statue that's placed right now in the

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middle of Highway eighty. It was placed there because when
William T. Sherman in February of eighteen sixty four did
his Forgotten Meridian campaign, he ordered his men to stack
arms there and when they stacked arms, they broke out
or broke ranks. They lit torches, and they burnt the town,

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and they stole pickles, and they stole pickled vegetables, and
they stole livestock. And in fact, there's warmer report that
JJ Thornton, who was the only delegate to the Mississippi
Secession Convention who did not sign the Ordinance of Secession,
who was present, but still after his estates seceded or
after Mississippi succeeded, went on to fight in the sixth

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Mississippi Infantry, being severely wounded at the Battle of Shiloh
and then discharged due to his wounds. Was at home
and they heard about him and his you know, not
voting or not voting for secession, and I'd signed the document.
They were going to spare his house, and he said, no,
if you're gonna burn my neighbors out, you're gonna burn
me out as well. And in the Brandon Republican newspaper,

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which was the only newspaper in the war reportedly not
to miss an issue, A. J. France wrote that there
was not even a single rooster to crow the coming
down the next day. So that's why the the four mothers,
I should say, and Brandon decided to put the monument
there to honor what happened during the war, to honor
the loss of you know, of the town, the economic devastation,

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and in fact the Confederate soldier faced faces west the
way that the Federals marched, standing forever as a defiant
guard over the city. Others were placed in prominent civic
spaces like courthouses, because they are memorials for public mourning
and remembrance. Almost akin or it is akin to Joshua

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chapter four in the Bible, where the stones replaced as
a reminder of God's acts. And I would say that
the fact that that yes, we remember our our fallen
fathers and our father uh you know, forefathers and uncles
things of that nature, our ancestors with those memorials, especially
those who do not have stones and are buried in
unmarked places known but to God and will never be

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known until you know, Christ comes again in the final
uh you know, Judgment Day and the resurrection of the
body and everything like that. It is a testament to
the fact that the South survived and we still survive today,
and that is a miracle. And they don't understand that.
And even then, you know, you look in some northern
towns and things like that, they have monuments to Yankee

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soldiers in those towns and they're placed in similar locations.
So you know what's up with that. You know, it
can't have one without the other.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Those with the good guys though, Connor, don't you know?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Yeah, no, they weren't. And I wish I could quote
Reverend doctor doctor Herman White Bully with his line were right,
and I need I need to get him to write
that down for me.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I want that on a new SEV chat t shirt.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, but I mean that's what that's that's honestly, how
stupid these people are or how hateful let me rephrase that.
They just hate Southern history, hate us for defending it,
hate our organizations for their purposes, and hate our Southern
ancestors for standing up to do the exact same thing
that our founders did with the American Revolution.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
And that's all.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
They're powered by soul sucking hate. They wake up in
the morning and they think, you know what, today's the
day we get them. And that's what's dangerous about them, folks.
I'm making fun of them. That's Honestly, what's dangerous They
They are willing to do whatever it takes because that's
how much they hate us. And that's why they portray

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us as these evil people that can hell, or why
they put up Grant Sherman as people who are like
guarding the pearly gates right.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Now, right yeah, And and you know, and Carl makes
a good point that, you know, black folks, including Booger T. Washington,
who was very involved with the formation of the NAACP
and George Washington Carver, donated money, uh to the erection
of Confederate monuments, the state Confederate Monument in Mississippi. You know,

(52:27):
I believe it is John Harris, who was representative, got
up and gave a speech admitting that he was a
Confederate soldier and that and paraphrasing the quote, but I'm
pretty close to it, saying that, you know, if the
war was still going on, I said, I wore the
gray and dot to dot, and if the war was
still going on to this day, I would still be there.

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And he actually got out of his sick bed to
argue against the son of a former Confederate soldier about
the bill. But they don't want to talk about that
they don't want because that doesn't fit their narrative. But
the report continues on highlighting significant resistance to removing Confederate symbols,

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particularly in seven Southern states Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. They pick different different portions
out of where laws or policies protect these symbol These
quote heritage protection laws impost penalties or bureaucratic hurdles for
communities attempting to relocate or chitecturalized monuments. The Non Southern

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Non Baroke Non Legal Center criticizes the twenty twenty five
executive orders from the current administration in the Federal Capital
for advocating the restoration of Confederate monuments, framing them as
an attempt to whitewash history unquote, and aligns them with
a white nationalist rhetoric. But as we know, our heritage

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protection laws in the South reflects our efforts to preserve
history and prevent the unilateral destruction of our culture. UH
these laws ensure that decisions about monuments involve community input,
or they should involve community input. At least that's the
whole purpose behind them. Not mob actions or external pressures.

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You should If you have a county monument on county
land that's paid for by the taxpayers of the county,
then the county should want to listen to what is
you know, what the people want. Case in Point Lafaya
County in Mississippi, they had a listening session and they
decided not to remove the monument. I wish more counties

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or parishes would would would agree to do that. They
protect the rights of us, the basic citizens to honor
our anti Uh. They help protect our fundamental rights enshrine
to the Constitution within the build of rights. This the
non Southern, non political or excuse me not they are political, uh,

(55:12):
the non Southern, non broke not legal center. The criticism
of Trump's executive order UH ignores the broader contexts. These
orders aim to counter the erasure of history and restore
the balance to a national conversation that has vilified our ancestors.
Far from whitewashing history and the preserving of our monuments

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occurre its honest discussions about the war between the States
and its causes, UH, including uh you know uh, taxes, UH,
individual rights, states rights, things of that nature. Without reducing
it to a single, myopic narrative view of oppression. In

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their report, they have updated their public map, and again
you can look at that, but it is not complete.
And you know, again this particular tool that they are
giving is a double edged sword. On the one hand,
if you do not have a listing of all monuments

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in your state, you can go through and kind of
use this and build off of it. But on the
other hand, groups who are domestic terrorists, in my humble opinion,
read the read the disclaimer at the bottom, can use
that same link to figure out what where a weakness

(56:39):
is and try to exploit it. Gotta get my updated
bottle of water. And so yeah, just as much as
it is it helps us, it hurts us. So you know,
be careful on that. As far as broader implications, that

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organization argues that our symbols perpetuate harmful narratives and glorify
the Confederacy, marginalizing other groups and other communities. These symbols
are not neutral history artifacts, but active tools of division
that uphold white supremacist ideologies. Removing or contextualizing them fosters

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a more inclusive public square, and encourages honest reckoning with
the nation's history. The report draws parallels the removal of
colonial and author tian symbols globally, calling the public spaces
to honor diverse histories. But as we know, Confederate monuments
honor a diverse history. We had Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Gentiles,

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people of all different social, economic and racial backgrounds making
up the Confederate Army. The Confederate Army was the most
diverse fighting force in the world world at that time.
The Confederate Navy as well, you had regiments that Again,
I love the Frederick Douglass quote from eighteen sixty one
where he says there are black Confederate soldiers not just

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serving as teamsters and as cooks and as laborers, but
with rifles in their hands and bullets in their pockets.
Those monuments honor them as much as they honor my
direct ancestor. So yeah, they failed to recognize and to

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realize that many of these monuments also serve as the
only tombstone for thousands of veterans buried in unmarked or
forgotten graves, like my third great uncle, who was a
musician in the war, not a non combatant. When not
playing music, he was a stretcher bearer or a hospital steward.
And he died in eighteen sixty four, late eighteen sixty four,

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early eighteen sixty five, and we don't know where he's buried.
He does not have a headstone. He has an inscription
on his mama's grave, and he has the Capaia County
Confederate Memorial serving as his headstone. Labeling these symbols as
tools oversimplifize history, and it alienates Southerners who view them

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as part of our cultural identity. Removing them does not
foster inclusion, but it erases a piece of the nation's
shared history, risking a one sided narrative that ignores the
complexities of the war. Global comparisons to colonial or authoritarian
symbols are also misleading, as Confederate monuments commemorate a regional,

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not imperial struggle. Public space well, actually it is an
imperial struggle, the Yankee Empire struggle. So I guess I
got that wrong when I was writing. Public spaces should
indeed reflect divers histories, but that should include our history.
Those of a to are descendants of men who would
not be ruled through Reconciliation comes from preserving and comes

(01:00:08):
from preserving our monuments, not destroying them. In conclusion, the
removal of nearly of nearly five hundred symbols represents to
us not progress in comparison to what they say, but
a loss of our historical memory and much a part

(01:00:31):
of our culture heritage. It's often driven by transient political
pressure rather than from thoughtful consensus and consensus excuse me.
We agree that public engagement is essential, but we advocate
for preserving our monuments and as educational tools to spark

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discussion about the war and its many dimensions, be it economic, cultural, political,
or political, as well as talking and honoring our ancestry who.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Fought in that war.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That organization's push for equity and public spaces should not
mean erasing one group's heritage to elevate another. A truly
equitable historical narrative embraces all perspectives, including those of Southerners
who see these monuments as a tribute to our ancestors resilience.
So that's the latest culture, or at least current events

(01:01:25):
that we have to cover. That being said, who's ready
to see what's in our enemy's mind?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Because I just I lose words Sometimes our enemies and just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
So this is whose heritage community action guide, this is
what they want, what they're instructing their people to do
on removing how to remove our monuments? So across the
South and beyond, America's of all raids of ethnicity and
creeds are asking why our country has so many symbols
and memorials to honor the Confederacy, a government that made

(01:02:16):
war against the United States, to maintain human bondage of
black people and uphold the anti democratic and unjust system
of white supremacy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
There's so much bullcraft, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I mean, first of all, you know, ninety percent of
the monuments say to our Confederate debt or to our
glorious debt or something dead. Yeah, that's a vast majority
of them. It's not to a government, it is to
the individual men or the collective group men who went
off to fight. Gives a history of things about roomed

(01:02:53):
flags and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
Like that we talk about, like just the fact that
they act like the United States actually cared about the
African American community, like their plan wasn't just to shift
them back to Africa? Are the multiple race what riots
that have happened because of African Americans not having civil
rights and I'm done, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's well, it's it's it's it's again.
You know, we are the low hanging fruit. But what
can you do in your community? Removing symbols of the
Confederacy from public spaces can be daunting, but with proper planning,
you can launch a successful campaign. Tonight we argue that indeed,
with proper planning and looking at what they are planning

(01:03:35):
and how they are planning it, we can launch a
successful counter campaign because as Jason Bouchier said, I can't
remember exactly what he said, but he said something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Which which comment do you want from Jason?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
If you wait until trouble arrives, it is difficult to
swing the tide. And this is something that every camp
and we're going to be pushing this in Mississippi after
the division starts to do so go away, all right,
research the symbol. This is kind of what we talked about.

(01:04:13):
Examine the history of the symbol in your community. You
can conduct research online at the local library, university of college,
or historical society. The popular lore about why the symbol
is displayed may not reflect the true history of how
it got there. Historical markers, ambrochures for some symbols often
respect or often reflect in accurate history. Your website reflects

(01:04:36):
an accurate history. But we continue on. Keep the following
tips in mind. Go to records such as newspaper reports
to get better understanding of the history and the motivation
behind the display of the symbol. Well, if you go
through the history and the motivation and look at it,
you see that it was erected to honor the Confederate debt.
I'm gonna continue on them.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
I don't think they actually do research. I think they
all get into a little square. They get into their
Pece square there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You know what do they call it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I know what I would call it, but I can't
say it. On this one show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
They get into their little safe zones and they.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Talk about how it hurts them and why it hurts them,
and that's their research.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
They get together and I can't say.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Well, well, well it's it's a yeah, it's it's a
y'all know what we're wanting to say, But it's it's
we're arguing, you know, facts against emotions what all boils
down to. But we need to have But again, we
need to have our facts ready to go and present.
Continue on to their bullet point number two. If the

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symbol is the name of a figure from the Confederacy,
research that person's history, document why their legacy doesn't reflect
justice and fairness. You should also document the person, people,
organization responsible for the symbols, commission and display. There's some
good stuff in that. Have a good If it's a
monument to Robert E. Lee, have a good biography of

(01:06:03):
Roberty Lee, you know, ready to go. If it is
a monument to somebody in your you know, your particular state,
you know, and it's it's very specific, get as much
information as you can as well as on the history.
Did the U d C give money to the monument,
did the women's you know whatever? Did the CFC? Who
who actually paid for the monument and and donated it?

(01:06:25):
Have that ready to go. That is a good point.
We need to have that ready as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Are they not okay?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, I don't think they think we'd find it find out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I just think I think they're just this cocky that
they think we will find it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
No, I honestly think that we talk about it more
in the after show. But join Patreon to watch it,
but I think that they are more you know, that
they have such a negative view on us that we're
just you know, blue collar hicks with barely a g
he that that we'd never know how to what. We

(01:07:04):
can't get them back their computer and google stuff. But anyway,
I digress. You know, find out when the symbol was
first displayed in your community. Many Confederate symbols began appearing
after US Supremes Courts school desegregation ruling in nineteen fifty
four and continued to peer in nineteen sixty and protest

(01:07:26):
Civil Rights has showed that this God's Companion report again.
They used the term symbol to very loosely cover everything,
whether it's a Confederate flag flying, you know, in a
town square, or whether it's you know, the fact that
it was on a city or county seal or something
like that. Confederate battleflags were raised on government property throughout

(01:07:51):
the South to can commemorate the Civil Wars, excuse me,
war between the States centennial year in the nineteen sixty
and that turns out why the flag displayed on government
properties in your community. Don't let it stop your efforts
find out why it continues to fly decades after the commemoration,
probably because we're in the one sixtieth Yeah, all right,

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map the path to change whatever your efforts goals. Removal
of a symbol from a site, remaining, renaming of an
existing monument, placing of a marker alongside a symbol to
get textualize, communicate accurate history, Creating a mural or education
walk for public art made by communities that tell accurate history.

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Documenting the official process early is critical. Yeah, find out
what government body is responded now, Now, this is a
good point. Find out what government body is responsible for
overseeing and maintaining the display. A lot of times, you know,
if the monument is in a courthouse a square, you
know there's question on who actually owns it, as the

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countiers of the city. The best friend that you can
have is an app is either like on X or
land Glide or something like that. You can literally zoom
in and in most cases pull up the deed and
shed shows who's responsible who owns it. You know, it
is a very good tool. If the symbol is the
name of a city park, for example, the city council

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and mayor would be the parties to contact if the
if the space is a public school's name, the local
school board would be the proper entity. An online search
or call to your city hall, courthouse, or state legislature
can point you in the right direction. Once you've determined
the pertinent government body, ask about the process for removing
the symbol. You might, for example, need to appear before

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your city council or county commission, or you might need
to be persuade your state legislature to sponsor a bill.
A clear understanding of that process is crucial for building
streamlining a successful effort. Hey, we just talked about that earlier.
It's the same thing. If they're doing it, we can
do it. We need to be ready just as well
as they are. Amen organize and raise awareness after you

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can conduct the research, it's important to build public support. Again,
we've talked about this. Policies makers may be hesitant to
remove the symbol if they believe there's no public demand
for such action, or that we will raise the hour
of the constituents and as well they should be. You're
an elected representative, and you know demonstrating public support for

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the symbols removal can overcome this obstacle. Well, we just
talked about it. And Jason's what Jason said, you know,
before you know where to go? Where to go? I
need you to start that comment. I got it all right.
If you wait until trouble arrives, it is difficult to

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swing the Todd Start tonight, Start us tonight, Apologize for that.
Identify community groups and leaders that may support your effort.
Enlisting these groups and individuals early can amplify your campaign.

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Same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
You know, honestly, they don't have a bad plan, they
just are idiots.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Well, I mean, their plan is essentially the same thing
we've been preaching for years. It's just you know, now
we're seeing it that they're adopting our plan. If they're
adopting our plan and we're not doing our plan, you
know we're gonna lose.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Sorry, I mean you you're right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
I mean I've seen it over and over again where yeah,
I'm gonna get in trouble if won't shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
But I'll say it like this. I've seen it where certain.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
People have not acted and they've waited until the trouble
arrives and we lose a piece of Confederate history and
then they blame Division National or whoever. Yeah, I've been
blamed and I'm over here telling you what to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Well, I know exactly what you're talking about. I know,
I know exactly what you were talking about or who
you're talking about. Rather, uh, I digress back to where

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we were. But yet, you can go ahead and identify
group leaders that you think are going to be supported
of you as well, because these groups can contact their
members and offer support in various ways, including siting onto
a letter to the appropriate government body. Huh. Community groups
you should consider should include faith based organizations, civic clubs,
labor unions, and advocacy groups. All right, I would say

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faith based organizations at your church, civic clubs, that's the
ones we've mentioned, and other veteran rights organization. Research success
stories in other communities, and the process you must follow
for removing the symbol. Okay, we have had several victories
out of Georgia, several victory in other states. If you

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if you can't find somebody in your state that has
or your division that has had success, contact a neighboring division,
use your army resources, use all the resources you have
at your disposal. You know, make sure you're signed up
for the uh uh. You know, the members only page
on the national website so that you can, you know,

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get into the discussion forums. You know, we have the
tools available, We have the people with with the ability
to help you with that. Write letters to your editor
again we can do that as well, but have that
ready to plan. Contact your local media. We've talked about that.
How to you know, you can use AI to write

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a press release. But make sure that your camp has
somebody who is a spokesperson for the camp. Yes, somebody
who is well spoken, who can you know, look professional,
talk professional, and make a a good argument. The Alabama
division has a great spoken person for them in Carl
Carl Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
He's all right now, he is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Build an email list of supporters.

Speaker 4 (01:14:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Social media, Yeah, I use social media, you know. Don't
stop with just introducing the topic. Give them a reason
to follow you on social media. Update with your progress.
Set up a Facebook page and use it, like and
it and other social media app let's to regularly provide
facts from your research that show why the symbol should
be removed. That's what they're saying. Well, you use it

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to show why these symbol should remain. Share the sex
success stories from other communities, or other news related to
your campaign. Work in connection and add followers via an
email list, Make an email list, develop an online petition
that one we can leave out. Organize, organize a rally,

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peaceful demonstration, and if the opposite this organizes a rally,
don't go. Yes, just that's just you know, trying to
start trouble, especially if you and five friends go and
they have two hundred and we just have six. You know,
that's going to make us look bad in the media. Instead,
have your own rally and make sure you get people

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to the rally. You know, if you've got a carpool,
if you've got to rent a passenger van, if you've
got to bar the church bus, whatever you got to do,
you know, do it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
And let's point out that a lot of members that
care about history are good, good farmers and working people.
If you can't get them out to the rally, it
might be best just to have not have one. As
Connor said, if you have six people show up, twenty

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thirty in the opposition had a rally last week and
they had five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yeah, I mean, work at work it the other way,
you know, same time. Just like you said, a vast
majority of our people are employed, you know, and I'm
not talking about just start membership. We talk about people
in your community. They may be lawyers, doctors, professionals. They
may be, you know, teachers, they may be you know,
steel plant workers. You know Nissan or I say Nissan,

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they're not sponsor us, but they may be UH car
car manufacturers, car salesmen, you know, various various walks of
life that support us. Try to do it on a day,
on a date, and at a time that is convenient
for almost everybody that can show up. You know, Tuesday
at three o'clock is not going to be convenient for me,

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It's not gonna be convenient for Harrison, It's not gonna
be convenient for Force. But Saturday, excuse me, Saturday, two
weeks from now, before the issue comes to a head
and comes to a vote. I can make time. And
that's the thing. Advertise it well within within your email list,
on your Facebook page. I can. I can make time

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to plan to be there for an hour, two hours, whatever.
Don't then don't make it last all day, because that's
you know, going to deter people off. You know, make
it last between you know, figure out what your window
opportunity is because we are competing for people's time. Yes,
make it visually interesting, you know, Uh, make sure you've

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got you know, proper display, you know, various various flags
that you can use, y'all, y'all know what to do.
But again, make sure your spokesperson has uh you have
a spokesperson there for the event. And you know, if
you've got to, there are several USTs that can help,

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you know, prep for delivering the message. That's what they're
talking about doing. Then contacting policy supporters. You know, these
can be policymakers with government body that has the authority
to remove the symbol. So what they're saying is, you know,
and by your you know, they're saying, invite your legislature
and stuff like that, your your city council whomever. If

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they're definitely on your side and they're not afraid to
show up and bute them. But you know, don't get
your heart broken if they don't show up. Yeah, and
then you know, officially make your case. Uh, they're gonna
talk about you know, your spokesperson needs to go up
there and go before the governing body and stuff like
that and use your research as the basics for clear
and concise facts, be prepared for other speakers and policymakers

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to oppose your efforts. Your presentation should include historical facts
to counter objections and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
So wouldn't it be great if we had a position
that that's almost their job?

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Yeah, wouldn't it be great? Wouldn't it be great if
we have something like their list of responding to objections
and myths right here, guys?

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Yeah, and again, we do have a position Heritage officer
on the camp level, chief a heritage rops on the division,
Army and national.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna start because I just found this
in research of this episode. I'm earlier today. I'm gonna
go actually go through this and oh god, it's the
cornerstone speech again. Oh yeah, go through all this stuff
and yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna

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I'm gonna go through this and uh oh, I can't
wait to tear this apart. Yeah, and tear it apart.
You know, that's a whole other episode right there next week. Yeah.
Probably there's a good one. Yeah, there's a good that
deals with school mascots. This is this is the big
one right here. My ancestors bravely served. I did have

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an answer. This one first served in the Confederacy in
the war. He didn't own slaves. He's just defending his home.
Removing this symbol disrespects him and the ancestors, and you
know of others in this community. This issue isn't about
personal motivation of one soldier. It's clear that as a government,
the monument's not to the government. The monument is to
the individual soldiers of this community who didn't who went

(01:20:20):
to war, fought, came back wooded, or didn't come back
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
I mean, yeah, that one is okay, Yeah, God bless them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yeah. Well, no, oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Sometimes I see something so stupid and so just air
in the head, I have to say it. Maybe they'll
get some intelligence and stop trying to destroy history.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I know that's not the case.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
I know that because of what has happened with this
cultural war, we have lost a generation of people that
do not care about history and just want to destroy
We've lost.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
A whole generation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Hey, hey, Lloyd, at least y'all get the chance to testify.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
But but here here's the thing, though, We're going to
work and and of course Lloyd being a former member,
I believe member of the house up there. You know
you have a little bit of you got yeah, you've
got a little bit more sway.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
But you know, we're we're about to start developing that
We're going to be you know, building up our crudential
sending you know, emails, stuff like that, uh, at least
on the Missipi Division level, so that if we have
to come up and testify, we can be called as
an expert witness that that's something that we're we are
actively going to be doing. You know now looking at
looking at the fact that that we have the enemy's

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battle plan in our hands, and you know, once you
put something online, it will never go away. I've already
printed it in Peah ready to go, just in case.
The same episode and they tried to take it down.
So yeah, yeah, that's but that but that's the thing.
We we have the enemies plan. The enemies plan is
just like our plan. And if they're doing it, if

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they are being effective and doing it in their communities,
why aren't we Why can't we be It's just like
Todd said out of California, don't let your membership just
be a certificate in a membership cardinal will help it
get active.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I mean, I'm it's past time to get active. It's
pastime to be doing this. Yeah, because if we don't now,
these attacks are only going to get worse.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
If not who it or if not us who if
not now when?

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, and I mean we make that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
That's one of my favorite saying is because again, these
are only going to get worse. They're talking about how
twenty twenty seventeen and twenty fifteen wasn't good enough for
him and we got massively hurt as an organization, as
a people, as our heritage as a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
If it's only going to get worse, people.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Past time of needing to act, Yeah, and and and
and and they're they're definitely pulling back and punting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Oh yeah, they're getting ready for something.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I mean, and and it's it's maybe maybe it's the
the the the trying to get that sixteen ninety nine
in every other state. Try to get it past in Virginia,
get it past to North Carolina, and get it past
another state. So that and and you know, Jason did
say that the Conservatives have control of the House in
North Carolina or bo's such a North Carolina. Yeah, you

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know what, so do Mississippi in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
One?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Second, but we still lost our flag.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yeah, so do we have a Mississippi by the way, Well,
how many.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Big massive attacks have there been on Confederate heritage?

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Connor three?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Hold on, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Sending your private message about what I think you were
you were stopping about? Huh? Anyway, what'd you say? Harrison?

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Sorry, I just I'm not even gonna say it. We'll
talk about it all. Yeah, that's my bad. So how
many big massive Confederate attacks have there been?

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
And well, when you say massive, are you talking about
like I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
My mind? Twenty for me was a massive attack.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
So really, you know, Paul Grambling called Paul Gramning Junior, uh,
talks about the the nineteen ninety three resolution that you
know that the all Confederate symbols and things like that
should be removed, not even in museums, but completely destroying
that porsia of history raised. So since let's let's just

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use ninety three as a starting point. Taking the flag
off the dome at the South Carolina State House, the
changing of the Georgia flag, the attempted change in the
Mississippi flag, various other small ones twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen,
twenty twenty. You know what is what I would consider

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major in my mind.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
If you think it's about time that you know, when
those attacks come we barely feel it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Well, it's it's it's it's time for when those attacks come,
we are ready. We have the enemy's battle plan, we
are ready to I mean, it's just like I mean
to go back and link it back in the war.
September of eighteen sixty two, Robert E. Lee's Army of
Northern Virginia is marching into Maryland to free that state
from the Yankee Yankee throat and tyranny. He remember that

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the Maryland Legislature was being held or members of the
Maryland Legislature were being held without the writ a habeas corpus,
you know, held illegally by the Lincoln administration. I digress.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
He goes into Maryland, and his general orders for that
campaign were lost, and George B. McClellan got those orders,
got a hand on those orders, and he had a
he had he had everything that Lee was going to do,
troop movements, troop locations, all that stuff. And yet McClelland
chose to to to not follow up with having those

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orders and concentrating and attacking and stuff like that, and
led to the Battle of Sharpsburg. Actually, we're now in
McClellan's hands. We have the enemy plans in our hands.
We know what they're doing. Now it's time for us
to counteract. We see what they're doing. Now it's time
for us to outflank them. Thank you, Brian. That is
exactly correct. Now it's time for us to take it.

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Look at it. We see what they're doing. Now it's
time to take it and morph it. For a pro Southern,
pro Confederate point of view, pick your character. Yeah, no kidding,
And in some cases in Mississippi you can't chance. You

(01:27:36):
can't tell the difference between which one's evil and which
one stupid depends on the day of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
I wish you were lies. I wish this whole episode
was just an April foolist.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Joke we do on everybody. But but but it's the truth.
I mean, we've we've leaved it and we've seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Now the other thing is it's time for for you know,
Southerners to stand up. I mean, that's why we ask
you all to share this episode out or share all
of our episodes out so that you know, potentially, you know,
we can reach people besides just our members and talk
to our members. This is for everybody in the South,
everybody who cares about Confederate history and heritage. You want
to you want to get involved. You want to make

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sure your monument stays where it is to your ancestors
or you know, defend the South, defend Southern culture, Southern history,
the things that make us a unique and our our
identity and our unique people. Then Step one is contact
your local SCV camp. You know, find out if you know,

(01:28:38):
we will help you find your ancestor. If not, we
have the Friends of the SCV. If not, we have
the Confederate Legion. If not, there are multiple multiple ways
for you to get involved. You know, it's it's you
know that that would be step one for you, the
the the non member that's that's likely what we're saying
here and what we're saying and agrees to what we're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
If if if that's the case, you know, great, If not,
you know, just be prepared to stand with us when
it comes time for for you know, the the organization.
We're not the organization. But when when our history and
heritage is under attack in your community, stand with us.
You be prepared. You know, if if you want to
try to make an introduction between your club and our club,

(01:29:20):
you know, make the call. That's all you have to do.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
That's all you have to do, people, And that's a
start of fighting and preserving our history.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yeah, just just and and and for us that are
in the organization, we have we have their plan. We
read through their plan, and we've talked about our plan,
which is the same thing as their plan, just with
a different you know, wanting outcome. Step one, form a
community outreach community committee and start reaching out to the

(01:29:56):
other organizations. You know, if you have somebody who's the
master of the local Masonic lodge, great, president of local
Rotary club, great, secretary of the Exchange club, great, you know,
have them start reaching out into their other civic organizations
and get them involved. Everybody. You know, pretty much everybody
goes to church. We all don't go to church together.

(01:30:25):
I mean that's that is the first uh M. That
is the the first thing that you know that that
you need to do. Then second thing, WM another committee guy,
you know, every camp has a guy who likes to
do research. Now, go research what your local county monument.
You know, find out who, when, where, why, why was

(01:30:48):
or we know why I was dedicated, but who paid
for it? You know when was it dedicated? Everything like that.
Who owns the property, who maintains the property.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
All that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Have it ready to go? Form a committee on on
uh you know, uh like legislative outreach on your division level,
your brigade level, and on your camp level. Be prepared
to you know, on behalf of the camp write a letter,
you know, asking for support on this or I don't
know you're getting the camp you know, members to send
two emails a year or two letters a year, whatever

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we have to do. You know, it's like Carl saying,
imagine if five thousand people in each state who weren't
members were willing to write just two letters on our behalf. Heck,
print the letters to just have him sign it. Yeah,
have it ready to go. You know, thinks stamps or
sixty five cents apiece, Now that's that that is worth
the cause, you know that that's that's the next thing.

(01:31:41):
And you know, built built, I mean just like just
like a Fredericksburg guys. You know Mary's Heights lead defend.
Because of Barksdale's Mississippians holding the Federals back, Lee was
able to you know, entrench, make sure you had good
interior lines, build your interior lines because the attack is coming.
It may be a uh a bill to try to

(01:32:02):
take one of our bullets out of our our cartridge boxes,
the financial bullet, because you know, it may be that
it may be you know, actually coming after your monument.
But you know, as my late father used to say, uh,
piss poor planning equals piss poor performance. Yeah, pissed poor

(01:32:27):
planning eagles pissed per form performance.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
If that ain't some truth, I don't know what is.
And I'm just tired of seeing it. I mean, I
know that's gonna piss some people off because I know
we had some I know we have a lot of
hard working people and we do we do, and y'all
are doing great, right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
And it's and it's it's again. We we we've had
some great victories. We're seeing the slowdown, but they're amping
up again. Back back to the historical comparison.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
They will be with your pants down again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Yeah, we have whooped them. Yeah, they've retreated to Washington.
They are about to come out of the city though.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
I mean, it's just it's time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
I don't. I don't want to get shot unless you
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Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
Don't buy that T shirt if you want to shoot
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Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
First off, I'm deeply hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
This is this is true. This is very true.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
I got a question for you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
I'm scared, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
What are you doing Tomorrow night?

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
I'm gonna watch Look around Florida with shot Man?

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
What times it come on?

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Seven pm? Confederate Standard time?

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
What are you doing Friday night? Excuse me? What are
you doing Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
This Thursday? It will be a time for Commander's comments
so join as we get an update from the National
SCV on what National has been doing. From Commander in
Chief Donnie Kennedy and our Chief a Hairda Jobs and
our past chief a hair to Jops Ron Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Friday night.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Uh, I think I'm gonna sit back and watch them
Friday night lights.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
It's not football season. Well, you know what you should do.
You should be checking out David Pope and the firms
of Douglas South offering.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, you know what, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
I think I'll have a better time watching that anyway.
That it's been a long day, David.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
I tried. It's been a long day, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
I'm fired up, I'm tired of mery.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Hadn't eaten anything all day.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
What can I say, David, I I ain't got anything
right now to defend that. Everybody can watch David's pro.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Cry due and of course, on Sunday night, we have
Michael Hardy's history talk, so make sure to tune in
on him. Oh hey, I got another question for you, Okay,
simul uh what Confederate commander kept his army in the

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field for six weeks after the surrender at Appomattox. Tune
in next week to find out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
And the words of the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Luck is on there?

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
He is right before or he's right after Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Oh what Sam Assent

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