SCV CHAT SEASON 6 EPISODE 18- The Enemies Playbook

In this episode, GCB and Moose analyze a recent report update on Confederate monuments, addressing its impact on preservation efforts, and dive into our enemies playbook on attacking our heritage. Join us for their insights and a call to action to protect our history.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (02:29):
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Speaker 1 (02:38):
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bringing truth.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
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Speaker 1 (02:51):
Floating the Southland Waterway? Out of time?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
What week at a time?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Chance? Not? Now?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Hey, you remember what the trivia question was last week?
We went into the show with one second?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I can find out?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, I tried to look at through the video and
I couldn't find it.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Did you say it at the end?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I think I did. That's that's the trivia question for tonight.
What triviy question did I end? Last week?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
And if you get it right you get a cookie? Yeah?
No you do.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
But use opinion expressed this broadcast, not the SCB or division, Gates, camps,
cidiaries or t rexes strictly those of us are expressing.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Them real quickly. Are I am on fixing the video
on YouTube? YouTube for some or not YouTube? Facebook. Facebook
for some reason has started hiding our videos, making a
bit harder to find.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
So I'm I'm working onus. They found.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I don't know if it's Facebook or if there's a
something wrong with stream Yard, because it's now starting to though.
Are our live streams in the events category.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Hum, so I didn't catification. Uh, I did not get
the notification that was live. I don't even see us
live on face Well, yeah, I see the note off,
like I see the thing on there right now.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
The video should be up now, and I'm just trying
to yeah for some reason. Uh, that's why I'm kind
of starting to ask everybody and then you hear us
in the back? Can you hear us in the back?
But let's let's start trying to get some stronger numbers
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I don't know what in the world is wrong with Facebook,
and we don't want to leave faith necessarily. That's where
we get some of our biggest numbers. It's just I
don't understand why it's doing that. Like I can't figure
out the numbers for the episodes and stuff until like
a week after stuff has been aired, when I used

(05:30):
to be able to go and watch it live.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah. Just as a reminder that we do have our
Patreon chat open tonight, So if you're one of our
patrons and want us to you know, talk about you know,
what we're doing and everything like that, you can be
on our Patreon chat. How's that angle beautiful. Yeah, no,

(05:57):
it's not.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Well, I'm a good lie or sometime you're not. Nope, Nope,
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think I think it was. I think it was
what Confederate commander kept his army in the field for
six weeks after the surrendering appthmatics. I think that sounds right.
If it was, then it was Lieutenant colonel or excuse me,
Lieutenant General E. Kirby Smith? Give it? What if? That
wasn't the question? Well, now, y'all just on something we've

(06:26):
already done that.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I know I'm trying to fix the video and it
is not cooperating at all, but hopefully y'all will at
least be seeing it in the groups.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Hey, all the more reason to go follow us on YouTube.
I know Doctor Sandy Mitcham usually does, but he's on
Facebook tonight. John John was able to make it with Facebook,
but he had to click of the live button on
our banner on Facebook. Lloyd's inn uh Jason, and Lloyd
was able to figure out his way in. Kyle was
able to figure out his way in. He's only a

(07:12):
minute late? What what? Yeah? Ricked me out too, And
of course Rs. Jason Bouchers is watching from YouTube Blend
and Good Evening Paul Grammling Junior, so sharp dressed man
in the SCV. So before we get kicked off on

(07:34):
tonight's topic, we do have one current event that kind
of gives us a good segue into it. So this
is an article that I found on UH on the Facebook.
It is from w b O C. It is a
CBS affiliate out of Delaware. So, first of all, Harrison,

(07:55):
I have a question for you, without without googling it,
who was Caesar Rodney? Caesar Rodney? Mm hmm, well that
googling it, you can't google it.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I'm not the name sounds familiar. I'm drawing a blank though.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, Caesar Rodney was a founding father, he was from Delaware,
and he was a delegate to the Constitutional or excuse me, now,
the Constitutional the Second Continental Congress. So there's you a hint.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
The Second Continental Congress. Yeah, so he would have been
evolved with the declaration or is that the third?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Correct? Second or third one of the Continental Congresses. But
he was known for his dramatic overnight ride to cast
Delaware's deciding vote for independence in the Continental Congress on
July second of seventeen seventy six. He was originally a delegate,
but had gotten sick and went back home, leaving a

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divide to Delaware. He was born October seventh, in seventeen
twenty eight in Kent County, Douglas or excuse me, Delaware.
He ended up passing June twenty six, seventeen eighty four,
Like like I said. As a delegate to the Continental Congress,
Rodney made a legendary eighty mile ride through a thunderstorm

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from a dovert to Philadelphia to break the deadlock between
his fellow Delaware delegates. Try saying deadlock from fellow Delaware
delegates three times fast on the question of independence. His
vote gave Delaware support, gave Delaware's support to independence. He
had been suffering from facial cancer for most of his life.

(09:45):
Often he's depicted, you know, with a green cloth covering
his face. He was also president or governor of Delaware.
Of course, you know they were thirteen independent states at
that time, but you know, governor work governor of Delaware.
He's also a member of the Delgaty Stamp Act Congress.

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He was a brigadier general of the Delaware Militia during
the Revolution. In fact, on the Delaware State Quarter in
nineteen ninety nine. That is Rodney depicting on him. However,
in twenty twenty, when the world went absolutely crazy, there

(10:29):
was the monument that was erected to Caesar Rodney, an
American Revolutionary War patriot, a founding father from a state
that was not a Confederate state. It was a slave state,
but remained loyal to the Union, although they did since
an estimated two thousand or thereabout sons to fight for

(10:49):
the South, but a vast majority joined units that fought
for the North. I did that because he did own
slaves and because the state for a time was a
slave state, that the monument needed to be removed. However,

(11:12):
there is a I'm not going to mention the party,
but a rough party. State Senator from District sixteen introduced
a resolution to relocate the Caesar Rodney Equestrian Statue to
Kent County, the place of his birth. The statue stood
in Wilmington Rodney Square for nearly a century, was removed,

(11:32):
as we mentioned in twenty amid the protest following the
death of George Floyd, and has been in storage ever since. Now,
this representative of our state, Senator wants it a return
to public view, believing it belongs in Rodney's home county
where the historic Midnight Ride to Philadelphia began. Quoted saying,

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breaking the country's tile, leading us into independence from Great
Britain is a story that needs to be told. The
monument helps us tell it, and that's why I want
to see it. The resolution suggests several possible locations or
the statue, including the Green and Dover, the John Dickinson Plantation,
and at Caesar Rodney High School. I'm surprised they haven't

(12:15):
renamed it. However, not everybody agrees with the proposal. Of course,
The ACLU of Delaware argues that the statue should remain
in storage, pointing to Rodney's history as a slave owner.
There's no real there's really no reason for us to
have the statue back up in the public space if
it's just going to reopen the wounds people expressed. In
twenty twenty, he was also criticized the statue for glorifying

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Rodney's role in American independence while ignoring his history as
a slave owner, which he feels represents a skewed version
of history. And God forbid the man who helped us
get independence, be remembered for that. When you see him
on his great ride from Dover to Philadelphia, there's no
context about his past, like being a slave owner and
why that might coust pain for some people. The president

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of the NAACP of that state echoed the same concerns.
ACOU was the first organization. Inaacp's the second one. The
presidents quoted saying, we're not advocating for the rature of history,
but we're demanding it to be told fully and truthfully.
Oh yeah, community activists. Our one community activist voiced her opinion,

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arguing that reintroducing the statue at this time would further
divide the community. I think the statue is in the
city limits would actually create a bigger divide for the city. However,
the state senator believes that the timing could not be better,
with the country's two hundred and fiftieth birthday approaching in
twenty twenty six, having the statue in storage during the
semi quincentennial celebration, which is the correct way to say

(13:50):
two hundred and fifty and Latin. Evidently, when without Caesar Rodney,
some would argue we wouldn't be celebrating fourth of July
does a service to history. Despite the pushback, the Senator
remains committed to finding a new home for the statue.
This resolution does not specify a location, but cause for
the statues returned to public view. Bucks And hopes the

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one and fifty third General Assembly can work together and
to identify the most suitable place for what he sees
as an important piece of Delaware history. And indeed, again,
as we mentioned previously, this is in Delaware. This is
not a traditionally Southern state. It's a mid Atlantic state.
They sent more guys off to fight for the North

(14:33):
than they did for the South. And what we're talking
about tonight is a continuation of last week's episode where
we start to watch that one Yeah, where we talked
about the excuse me, we talked about the a certain
non I'm not going to say who they are, but
they are not Southern, they are not broke, and they

(14:56):
are not a legal center their community. The activist god
to removing Confederate symbols in your area, and indeed, in some
of their talking points, and Moose has his versions of
a way to counteract the talking points. I have mine
that uh that that we have created and these are

(15:18):
just some of the ways that you know we can
do it because we need to be prepared when your camp,
it needs your camp. Your camp is the first line
of defense for when an attack happens in your area.
And we talked about what what their plan is. Their plan,
you know, as just as a refresher is to go
and actually do the research and see who owns the statue?

(15:41):
Uh is it? Is it a private entity, Is it
a city, is it a county? Is it a perish
there in in the local community. Uh, that's a great stamp,
a great step. And if you have a statue or
a memorial rather in your community, make sure you've done that.
Start getting together with Uh boy, this is I'm a socker,

(16:04):
broken record player, But start getting together with other groups
in your area so you can build a group or
build support when you go after the statue and things
like that. Get involved in the local political landscape. Attend
town hall meetings and things like that, especially if you're
in five see three dude as an individual, start raising

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awareness and being out in the community, being seen and
being heard, and then you know, start contacting those people,
be it state legislators, county officials, federal officials, whomever and
demand the statue be removed. Some of that sounds familiar,
like there's been a group that has h I don't know,

(16:48):
been uh and talking about that. But yeah, yeahs as
we have, as we've mentioned, uh, you know this this
is you could Confederate history is just low hanging free.
You know. We brought up the Rodney thing because we
will talk about the fact that one of their talking
points is you know, we're not talking about other figures,

(17:08):
We're talking about just the Confederate statues, uh in there.
So so yeah, so we're gonna get into that just here.
In a second, I haven't heard an echo when you talk.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
It's kind of like playing back in my headset. So
that's why I'm double checking. Yeah, but you know, I
think you will have since you are a more seasoned
debate or better talking points. But I will have some
two cents to say about some of these simply because
of how stupid the majority of them are as talking points.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Old on one second, I'm gonna pop up I'm trying to
get rid of don't you just love those? Yeah? All right,
so looking at the we're gonna we're gonna go through

(18:09):
this point by point, Uh, so the way that that
we've kind of or at least I don't know about mooses.
He sent them to me. I didn't read them. Your
talking points, well, and it's nothing against you. I wanted
to have my own talking points separate from yours, so

(18:31):
just in case, you know, so we wouldn't be saying
the same thing and there would literally be an echo.
That's so all right? You ready? Oh yeah, all right.
So the very first claim is the way the way
we have it eas I haven't set up is essentially
it's like this, we say up the questions and there's

(18:53):
no nope.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
All right. Do you want to at least read what
they say because I think it's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, I will.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I will, because but I want to explain how I
have mind set up, and you tell me if you
have your set up any different. Okay, the way they
have it set up on their website that is not Southern,
not broke. They're not a legal center. I really don't
want to show their website and let them it's about up.
We're giving them traffic. Uh. But if you're on our Patreon,

(19:25):
you can actually download the print out that we uploaded
from there, so you don't have to go and boost
their numbers. Uh. So they they they say it goes
claim response, and then we have a response to their response.
So it's we say A, they respond back with B,

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and then our counter argument to their response. The reason
why we're doing it like this is because these are
common things that we say, and maybe it's an idea
that you can go ahead and have in your mind
so that we're not saying that, or or to get
you know, different ideas flowing. But also just in case
we continue to follow this same pattern. Uh, usually the

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people who get the last word in are the ones
that people remember, especially if it's a good, heavy hitting point.
Now I'm not saying that we're that all of our
points are gonna be good and heavy hitting, but there
are gonna be points. It's like the old uh hey William,
all right, I'm checking the Patreon chat. Uh so the

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first point that they say, and I'm gonna get on
a soap box for a second.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Oh, I know, because I I wanted to kind of
say something too. This is not one of my favors.
I get why it's famous, but infamous, infamous, but I
I don't like it. I don't hate it.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I just don't like bring it. It's it's I'll get
into this. So so our first claim claim a that
we tend to make is we say, well, it's heritage,
not hate. Let me go ahead and stop right there
before I read their response. Get that out of your vocabulary.
In my opinion, get that out of your vocabulary, because

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we immediately start our argument or our debate on the
back foot. While it is a good sentiment, it's kind
of like, you know, urinating on yourself. You feel warm
and fuzzy for just a minute, but then you're covered
in you know, urine for the rest of the argument.
I mean, there's no way that you can you can
dig yourself out of that hole. Just remove the second part.

(21:38):
It's heritage. That's all you have to say. It's heritage. Yeah, uh,
you know the the and no definition of heritage. It's
something that is inherited, something that's passed out from generation
to generation. But still, at least that's my definition of it.
I don't know if that's the genera dot COM's definition.
Moves could look that up, but still do not say

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the not hating part. I mean, again, we're we're already
starting to lose the argument as soon as we say it.
Because we are the ones that introduced hate into the argument,
we don't need to be the ones to do that.
You got that definition property.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That is or may be inherited. An inheritance.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Something passed down from generation to generations, Like I.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Said, denoting a traditional brand Awe product and a lot
a lot of others.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You should have just competent and pasted.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
I should have.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
But anyway, so so that is that is my that
is my little soapbox for right now. Get that term
out of your vocabulary. It is it is makes you
feel good, but you know it's it's again the you're
you're you're putting that word in there and equating, you know,
like there's I had a T shirt years ago that

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would have a battle flag on it said heritage not hate.
I love that T shirt. But then when I began
thinking about it and I began seeing that, you know,
the heritage was all capped and capitalized, and then the
hate was all capitalized. So really, if you're just skimming
the T shirt, it's battleflags as heritage hate, you know,
you don't pay attention to the rest of it. That's

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that's you know, the you know kind of point. I'm
trying to make your remove that, remove that from vocabulary.
But still we claim heritage, not hate. But they respond
back with who's and I'm quoting directly here, whose heritage?
Not the heritage of black people whose ancestors were enslaved
by the millions and later subjugated to brutal oppress. You're
under Jim Kluk crow. Not the heritage of the three

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one hundred thousand white Southerners and one hundred and fifty
thousand Black Southerners who fought for the Union and emancipation
in the Civil War. Democracy is our heritage. The public
institutions should not display symbols that undermine democratic values and
continue to harm members of our community whose ancestors were enslaved.
That's theirs, that's theirs. First of all, they northern point

(24:03):
the work. Excuse me, We're not a democracy or republic?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, constitutional republic.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah. I'm gonna read mine, Harrison. If you want to
add anything in there, you can, so, I say, in
response to their dietribe about whose heritage and everything like that,
it's southern. Is Southern heritage belonged to all who call
the South home, including black Southerners whose ancestors lived, worked,

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and even fought during the War between the States. As
Frederick Douglas noted in the Douglas Monthly in September of
eighteen sixty one, quote, there are at present moment many
colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty as real soldiers. Quote.
This shared history and heritage honors the sacrifices of the
diverse Southerners in the Confederate Army, Black, white, Hispanic, Native American, Jews, Gentiles,

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Protestant Catholics. Monuments and memorials erected later reflect our pride
in that resilience and our shared memory to those men
who went off and fought.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
That's kind of what I just said, Carl, Yeah, and
I kind of that was kind of my response. Southern
heritage belongs to millions of Americans of all races whose
ancestors lived, fought, and died in the South. And this
is before the war, during the war, and after the war.

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Our heritage is rooted in sacrifice and resilience, resilience recognizing
that the Confederate soldier honors those who defended their homes
and families. And also I do love the fact that

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they brought in Jim Crow, which was started in the North. Well,
we'll talk about I've got a really yeah, but that's
that's their first one.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So that's that is the bit. Yeah, great, mind's exactly Car.
So that's the big thing that we need to hit
home is that it is heritage, and that it is
a shared heritage of all people of the South. It
doesn't matter of you know, religious, uh, you know, ethnic,
whatever background you have, it is it is shared for

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our communities. It is something that we all identify. Even if,
for example, a couple of years ago, I was at
a waffle house, my local waffle house, eating a All Star.
Oh no, I was not even the breakfast.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I was having a Texas cheese stick milk, my second
kiptic h And the lady was talking about going into
downtown Brandon, and she said, oh, you mean where the
statue guy is talking about location.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
It's it's something that is uniquely part of us, part
of our culture, and also part of our communities. She
knew where things were because of where the statue was.
That's that's part of our culture. So yeah, all right,
moving on to the next one.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
M I love the next lie part of that.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, yeah, so so that's so, that's it, you know that,
that's that's our key rebuttal to their rebuttal. All right.
The next one that they claim the Confederate battle flag
is not we we say that the Confederate battle flag
is not racist. It's simply a symbol from the past.
Their response is the flag we now call the Confederate

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battle flag was one of the many battle flags used
by the Confederate forces during the War between the States.
I'm changing, I can't, I cannot say the CW word,
I'm changing. It largely disappeared after the war was not
commonly seen again into the nineteen fifties, when white supremacists
resurrected it as a clear symbol of their opposition to
the integration and the Civil rights mom Since then, hate

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groups have continued to use this flag as a symbol
of white supremacy, hatred, and violence. The white supremacists probably
posed with it before murdering nine people at emmanual Amme
Church in Charleston, South Carolina, at twenty fifteen, and some
insurrectionists carried the flag into the US Capitol Building on
January sixth, twenty twenty one. You want to use it,
you want to hit it. Yeah, I got a couple.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Of things I'm gonna say before I even do my
rebuttal talking about people who carried it in on the
Capitol riot, there are people that have carried a lot
of flags to stupid and horrific things. Does that mean
that we need to ban those flags? I mean by
that logic, there's a couple of flags as we could

(28:46):
be banning from the twenty twenty riots. They don't have
any good arguments I put on this one. The battleflag
is a representation of the soldiers who were fighting in
defense of their homes, and the flag did not vanish

(29:10):
from eighteen sixty five till nineteen fifty. That is a
blatant lie. Our organization is a descendant of the United
Confederate veterans who carried that flag with honor to represent
the soldiers that fought for the Southland. So that first off,

(29:32):
they're not even trying to be correct. They're trying to
tie us to a certain organization that shall not be named.
Because I hate that organization and don't want to give
them any airtime whatsoever. I cannot wait until I can
dance on that organization's death note. I will be there
happily doing it. But again they're trying to tie us

(29:54):
to that. Also, We've done a whole episode on that,
and I'll be happy to share it out.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
You're getting into my response.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
All right, So I'll just jump over that and let
you handle that one because I feel like you'll jump it.
But like, symbols do not carry the sins of the
idiots that misuse them.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, so, so my response is the Confederate battleflag symbolizes
the Southern courage, but it is also a representation of
heritage and regional pride. Again, think back, you know, was
Skinnered wrong for using it during their concerts? Was them?
Were the Almond Brothers wrong for using it in their concerts?

(30:39):
Was the band Alabama wrong for using it on album colors? No,
they weren't. It It's a symbol of reasonable regional pride
as well as a symbol of defense against tyranny. It's
misused by hate groups later on, does not define its origins,
just as the Bible and the Latin Cross, which is
also misused by groups like the Klan, aren't inherently hateful.

(31:02):
Nor is the US flag that was flown during slavery,
during segregation, during jim Crow, also used by thirty thousand
Clansmen in their march on Washington, d C. In the
nineteen twenties. I believe, nor does it represent them for
millions of us, including the descendants of African American, Hispanic

(31:24):
and Native American and Oriental and the various other Confederate soldiers,
that represents our ancestors, our shared heritage, as well as
our region that we call home.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I mean again, I wish they were almost giving better arguments,
because we've got better arguments from online trolls in this
organization right now.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Their next claim, we say, we say that the war
wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights. Their response
is Before and during the War between States, Confederate leaders
stated explicitly and constantly that they were fighting for slavery
and white supremacy. State articles of secession clearly explained that
their primary motivation was slavery. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stevens

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said plainly that the corners that it was the cornerstone
of the Confederacy's white supremacy. In Congress before the War
between the States, Southern slave states constantly voted to violate
states rights when it came to the rights of northern
states to outlaw slavery, defeated Confederates created the myth of
states rights after they lost the War between States. First

(32:41):
of all, I would like their proof that we tried
to do anything to prevent any states from emancipating their
slave population. In fact, I wish that they would go
and look at some of the Free States laws, including
the Black Black Codes of Illinois. And I should have
put that in my official response, but my response.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
You want me to go first, because I only got
like a couple words on this. Yeah, you so, like,
first off, we've talked about the Cornerstone speech. Go watch
that episode because we dive into it pretty deep on there.
But again they they they're using that often misquotation, and
they're also denying or not even looking at the fact

(33:23):
that northern states also benefited from slavery. Yet again, we're
not focusing on them, just demonizing the South. And there's
so many ways you can look at this issue. And again,
Connor's gonna dive into it a lot better than I
am because I knew he was going to go after
this one. So I'm just gonna let you actually take

(33:45):
it from here, because I think you got a better
one than me anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
So when I wrote, when I wrote this response, and
we're gonna, we're gonna, you know, be able to take
this and put it out into shorter clips. That's the
hope for for some of these talking points later on,
so that we can circulate them. But I wrote it
as if you were defending your local monument. So the
widely cited version of the Cornerstone speech is disputed. Alexander

(34:11):
Stevens and his memoirs, along with other reporters who were
present when he gave the speech, claimed that he was
misquoted and denied making the statements attributed to him, and
dismissing the Northern press accounts as inaccurate or fake news.
Regardless of what was said by Confederate leaders, this monument
is to the soldiers, not necessarily the government, as Mississippi

(34:32):
State Representative John Harris after the war, when talking about
funding a Confederate monument for the state in Jackson, Mississippi,
emphasized in his eighteen ninety speech, he said, it is
to perpetuate the memory of the brave men who fought
well or who fell in defense of their homes and firesides,

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He further argued for funding and stating that it was
a tribute to the valor and patriotisms of those who fought,
not a political endorsement. Harris himself being a black Confederate veteran,
He mentions that in his speech, the soldiers all races
and ethnic backgrounds and religious backgrounds fought for their communities,
not merely a government's cause or government stance. Reducing their

(35:15):
sacrifices to one issue ignores the war's complexity and their
personal motivations. So ready, next, one claim hate groups hijack

(35:44):
the flag, causing people to associate it with racism, and
that's what we claim. Their response, hate groups didn't transform
the flag into a symbol of white supremacy. The Confederacy
was founded on the very idea of white supremacy. Regardless
of the individual motives of any single historical figure, each
Confederate was involved in an explicit project to preserve the

(36:07):
indefensible institution of chattel slavery. In his cornerstone speech, the
vice President of the Confederacy, Alexander Stevens, noted that the
new government's foundation rest upon the great truth that the
Negro is not equal to the white man. Now, of
course they love to throw that at us.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
However, go read Abraham Lincoln's diary. Yeah, however, I'm going
to do my answer first. No, you go ahead, and
I got this one, all right.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
So the Confederate Constitution's preambles declares, and I quote, we
the people of the Confederate stage, each state, acting in
its sovereign and independent character, in order to form a
permanent federal government, establish justice, ensured domestic transquility, and secure
the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosterity. Invoking

(36:55):
the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America. And
quote so we're exactly in that in the beginning of
the founding Document for the Confederate States of America, the
government that you are harping on, where does it say
that it is? Therefore, it is established with a perpetuation
of one race over the other. Don't worry, I'll wait.

(37:19):
Like the US Constitution, the Confederacy existed in a slave
holding era, but its soldiers included men of different racial backgrounds,
including African Americans. Noted by Frederick Douglas again, men serving
and doing duty as real soldiers. They fought for their home. Furthermore,
John Harris, a Black Confederate veteran, emphasized in his eighteen

(37:42):
ninety speech supporting Missippi's Confederate monument that it was that
it was to honor and said, quote, Sir, I went
with them too. I wore the gray, the same color
my master wore. We stayed for four long years. And
if that war had gone on till now, I would
have been there. Yet. I want to honor those brave
men who died for their convictions, reflecting a shared sacrifice,

(38:04):
not a racial agenda. The flag's meaning reflects their diversity,
not just the misuse of others.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm going to steal part of that for the next.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
One, okay, But again, if you if you throw, if
you throw the actual documents and and and that's one
thing that we've talked about is that we're arguing logic
in facts against you know, emotion. They're but there that
when they throw logic in faction, we could we could
throw out the you know, the cornerstone was miss uh misquoted.

(38:37):
But let's also look at the constitution which bound that
federal government. That Confederate uh, confederated federalized government together. You know,
the thing that they went off to fight for that
was there, that there was space of government. Nowhere in
the preamble doesn't mention slavery nowhere.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
And you would think if that was such a major issue,
if that's what they were all getting together to do,
wouldn't that be in the pre act right right protected forever?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
No? No, And again they talk about being independent and
sovereign states in there. You know, each state acting in
its sovereign and independent character. Well, if each state is
acting in their sovereign and independent character, doesn't that say
that they're you're forming this for states rights?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
You would think, Yeah, these PhDs don't have much of
an education.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Right, keep my views of opinions to myself. And that
one all right. So the next one they say, you
have anything you want to add on that one?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
No, No, you. I figured that me and you were
going to have either very similar are you were going
to be better? And it was kind of both right,
being honest.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Their next claim is that the cornerstone speech, all right,
read that one claim slaves. We claim slaves fought for
the Confederacy, which proves the war wasn't about slavery. First
of all, I would like to uh shame on them
for for misquoting us. We normally say that, you know,

(40:23):
African Americans or black people fought for the Confederacy, and
we also throw out the Tejanos as well as the
uh Native Americans and thinks of that nature. It's not
just it's not just you know.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
But they purpose and made it sound like ignorant rednecks
in this one right right.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Their response is, for most of the war, the Confederacy
did not allow enslave men to serve. It changed its
policy only in the final weeks of the war time
when it desperately needed men. If you joined voluntarily, go
ahead and hit that one.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Well, I mean you already said a quote of a
man that said he served four years in the military.
He was an African American who served and not again
just we had let's see your cooks and soldiers and
any position they could serve in, they served in. And again,

(41:25):
if we were an inherently racist government and inherently racist people,
and we were handing guns to people that we wanted
to make sure never rose against us, don't you think
we could have been also listed to some of the
dumbest individuals alive, because I mean again, you're arming the
people that we're so called trying to make sure that

(41:50):
I might let to tag you in on that one.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah. So my official, semi official response is that you know,
black Confederates, whether in slaved or free, existed, and their
motivations were complex. However, many of them went off to
fight for their homes because we had a shared history
and a shared heritage up until eighteen sixty one. We
still have one to this day. Frederick Douglas owed in

(42:15):
eighteen sixty one that there are many black men in
the Confederate Army as real soldiers, with rifles in their
hands and bolts in their pockets. John Harris, a black
Confederate veteran, declared in his eighteen ninety speech, Sir, I
went with them, I too wore the gray. I want
to honor those brave men who died for their convictions.
Figures like Old Collier, Silas Chandler, Jim Lewis, and so

(42:35):
many other examples also served showing the wars multifaceted nature.
Honoring them, just as we honor all Confederate soldiers, acknowledges
their personal sacrifice and bravery, and to erase one is
to erase them all. Yeah, all right, this one I

(43:03):
have never seen any of our members make, never heard
any of our members make it. But you know they
claim that we claim it, so we're still going to
tackle it. They say, we say we shouldn't remove these
things because someone may be offended, now that I have heard,
But then they continue on to misquote. I say, what
about the First Amendments guarantee a freedom of expression? If

(43:23):
we remove this symbol, what's next? Now? For me? The
what about the freedom you know? Expression? Is that that's
where I'm a little off. But you know, if we
remove this symbol, what's next? Their response is it's probably
the best written response that they have on something. Individuals
still have the freedom, first member right to display a

(43:44):
Confederate flag, even if it offends people. But our government,
which represents all citizens, shouldn't endorse a symbol of white supremacy.
This is not an individual freedom of expression issue. You
want to you want to tackle it? Do you want
me to uh tell me?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Just rereading my response.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
While you're rereading yours, Oh, Confederate symbols in public spaces,
honor heritage and reflecting on the sacrifices of all Southerners,
including those of black, white, Hispanic, Native American, jew Jenti, Protestant, Catholic, Oriental,
in any other that you can think of. Frederick Douglass
noted again, and you'll see this. I constantly quote the

(44:25):
Frederick Douglass thing back at them because that's what they
want to throw about his slavery, slavery, slavery. So we
hit them back with Frederick Douglas every single time, because
if he put, if he misprinted in his own newspaper
or outright light in his own newspaper, what else can
we not trust him on? We either have to take
historical figures out one hundred percent fact or one hundred
percent not fact. But he's the one who wrote it,

(44:47):
he's the one who signed his name to it. But
I digress. Frederick Douglass noted in age and sixty one,
many colored men served to the Confederacy, erasing these symbols
with public funds, silent funds, silence their stories, infringing on
our cultural expression and historical truth. But where does it
stop if we remove Confederate symbols because they offend somebody,
do we then remove the statue of the Ten Commandments,

(45:09):
which might might offend non religious or differently religious people.
Do we stop placing any historical markers or monuments because
someone can find something wrong with them. The logic of
removal based on a fence is a slippery slope. It
risks racing not just Confederate history, but any part of
our past that doesn't align with modern sensibilities. History is messy,

(45:29):
and it's markers, whether Confederate, religious, or otherwise, are meant
to educate. If we censor one, we open the door
to censoring all. And again that kind of goes back
to what we talked about with Caesar Rodney at the
beginning of the show, you know, and what we have
often talked about the Confederacy being the low hanging.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Fruit, And I mean, I couldn't agree more because I mean,
look what they're doing now. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, we
talked about at the begin the show, a man that
was so pivotal in us declaring our independence from succeeding

(46:08):
from an empire. His monument's gone, his story is gone,
it's hidden, and it's just going to be another trickle
down effect, a snowball effect, if you will that we're
going to keep doing that. And you're right, They've taken
ten commandments out of places.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
I've taken the Bible.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, the Bible is no longer allowed in most public
schools that I know of anyway, Again, not just our
founding fathers, not just our Confederate ancestors, but you can
look through history over the last two hundred and fifty
years if we're being honest and they're going after whatever

(46:50):
they want to. Because now if we're just going off
a fence, well, I can be offended by something.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Connor says, yeah, and you off Nor. But my point
because we have people that are that are saying, you know,
at least Andrew on YouTube is saying that you know
they did from all courthouses and government buildings, you know
here in the buckle of the Bible belt on some
state owned buildings or you know, county municipality stuff. Uh.
That is you know, we still have those prevalent But

(47:21):
you know, you can make the case of you know,
are we going to change the oath? Uh in a
court room because you know you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help
you God. Uh, you know, uh think things of that
nature is part of the slippery slope argument. The big
thing is has come up with you know something next

(47:42):
you could easily say that, you know, people were against
the Vietnam War in the nineteen seventies. Are we going
to start taking memorials to uh to Vietnam soldiers down,
or we're going to start We're going to remove that.
You know, there's yeah, it is. You know, the there
are no World War One veterans that are there, but
the US Army was still segregated in World War One.

(48:03):
So we're gonna remove those because you know, the times
did not are our modern sensibility now does not reflect
the times of that era. Are we going to you know,
or for example, you know in Kansas, there was a
statue of Baphomet, uh, you know, the devil, the goat
devil with children playing at his feet, you know, placed

(48:24):
on a on a courthouse monument, courthouse marker, and there
was a big case about that. You know, if you
infringe on my rights, you're infringing on everybody's rights. Either
we're all protected under the Fourteenth Amendment or we're not.
So that's you know, the thing we'll get into that
storm again on YouTube. He says, you know, it ain't

(48:46):
just two hundred and fifty years. They've gone after christ fumbles.
And we'll get into that here a second. Our next claim,
and we we've talked about this one already. But they
say that we say slavery existed under the American flag too,
Does that mean that we should take it down? Their
response is, there's no denying that slavery existed under the
US flag. There is, however, a key difference. The US

(49:08):
flag represents a country that ultimately freed enslaved people. The
Confederate flag represents a violent, secessionist organization found solely to
preserve slavery. I know where you're going, and it's in
my in my answer as well, yeah, you just.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
You just go ahead with this one, because I think
me and you have the same response.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, America's oldest tradition is secession. Secession is the breaking
away from one government to form a new one. Furthermore,
the preamble of the Confederate States Constitution says, we the
people of the Confederate States, each state, acting in its
sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent

(49:48):
federal government. Establishes justice, insure domestic tranquility, and secure the
blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, invoking the
favor and guidance of Almighty God. The Ordained establishes Constitution
for the Confederate States of America. Again, where does it
say that the Confederacy was founded so whi to preserve slavery.
Like the US Constitution, it emphasized self rule and liberty.

(50:10):
Both nations existed in a slaveholding era. But the U.
S flag isn't discarded for its ties to slavery, segregation,
or other injustices. So again, you can you can anytime
they talk about that, you can bring up that that
other symbol. You know, it's represented men that fought for
their homes. It represents cultural and regional pride.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
And again, you know, we've talked about, you know, Britain's
flag on this show, and we talked about the white state,
like the Hawaii state flag needs to change because it
defends me. We've talked about the you know, I'm a
very prideful American, but there's been a lot of war
crimes and severe horrors that had been done in the

(51:01):
name honoring that flag. By just crazy people. Again, where
do we draw the line, because now I don't know
how dated this is, because now they're attacking the American
flag saying way to change it right again.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Well, I'll tell you how dated this is. It's a
couple of weeks old. What they read. Well, I see
you laughing. And the entire thing is is the slippery
slope argument. And they want that slippery slope, you know,
take down the Confederate flag and then we'll, you know,
come down after the American flag, because we are a

(51:38):
very patriotic people. But all that being said, you know,
if you take away one, then you can ease into
going after the next one. But as far as you
know other injustices, you can bring up the other injustices.
Let's let's go ahead and start, you know, in the
eighteen seventies, ten years after the war, and what we

(52:01):
did to the Native Americans, uh, continuing on, and how
we treated immigrants that that came over near the turn
of the century. Continuing on, we can talk about World
War Two in the Japanese and tournament camps and all
this time the US flag flew over it. But we
want to forget that for now until until the next, uh,

(52:24):
until until finally we eradicate everything, and then we can
go after that one.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Flag flew over the poor Native Americans.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, that's what that's what we're getting out. This is
a good one.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Oh wait, let's see here. Which again I thought this
was like maybe at least a couple of months old
when you told me a couple of weeks. The reason
I laughed is because this one popped into my head
and you have fun with this one.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah. Uh, we say, there are a great American there
are great figures in American history who were not members
of the Confederacy, but we're slave owners. Should we tear
down statues and other monuments to them? Well, they've already
done it in Delaware. Yeah, you go back to the
beginning of the show talking about Caesar Rodney. But getting back,
they're respernt that we're respersed. Their response to us is

(53:22):
that's not what we're asking for here. I want of
Paul's right there. Col What they're saying, what they're literally saying,
is that's not what we're asking for right now, And
this particular debate, we're not talking about that. We're not
talking about the future plans. But I'll digress, but that's
all we're asking for here. The difference is that unlike

(53:43):
the Confederacy, those historical figures were not generally being honored
because of legacies so closely associated with white supremacy and
violent race based oppression.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
At this point, I know you have better responses because
I'm still learning. Had a debate, but I do like
gooing a bit of two cents in there, and again
jump in when I start kind of flowing into your stuff.
But right, it's just that is my favorite one of
this whole thing. And there's a lot to choose from.

(54:18):
But again, we were honoring our soldiers. A lot of
monuments says to are Confederate dead nowhere in it doesn't
talk about the institution of slavery, are white supremacy? Are
anything else of that time here that today we look
down upon, and rightfully so. And most of the time

(54:43):
at these things we talk about their bravery, their leadership,
the defense of their home and state robery. Lee opposed
slavery and after the war supported us coming back together
as a union so that there wouldn't be years in
years of North versus South. That's why he did that.

(55:06):
If we judge all historical figures by modern standards, we
will have no historical leader leaders, no historical figures that
we can even honor, because as a society, as we grow,
as we learn, as we develop, there are things that

(55:29):
happened that we don't agree with. I, as I pointed
out earlier, I'm a farmer, so I cringe and I
don't feel their pain because I don't understand it. But
what happened to the Native Americans is atrocity. But I
also am a couple hundred years removed from that, in

(55:51):
some cases a bit shorter. But if you start judging
people in twenty twenty five eyest eyesight, you're going to
a teen sixty one, you're going to seventeen seventy six,
you're going to even nineteen seventy five. You're going to
be pulling yourself up to tear them down. If my

(56:13):
first ever lesson in history is to leave modern concepts
at the door, if you're studying history, just studied the
time period, and that's something that no one else gets.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, I think they actually, I think they've actually changed
it since I did mine, because I remember them mentioning
Jim Crow and their original thing. But I can't find
it in what I just read. But yeah, yeah, they're

(56:49):
just honored because of their defensive slave olden Saudi monument room. Anyway,
if they would have brought Jim Crow into it, this
was you know, like I said, I think they changed it.
I'm almost positive they've changed it, like they were getting
ready for us to do this episode. But bringing up
if they bring up Jim Crow, let's just say that
their response is, you know, Confederates are were honored explicitly

(57:12):
because of their defensive slaveholding desire, and many monuments rose
during the Jim Crow era to reinforce white supremacy. This
would be This would be the response that I would give.
Confederate monuments were not uniquely erected during the Jim Crow
area to reinforce white supremacy. In fact, monuments to Federal
soldiers were erected at the same time as Confederate monuments were,

(57:35):
often in the eighteen seventies and eighties and continue on
to this day. Both sides during the reconstruction wanted to
honor their soldier's sacrifice after the war. While federal monuments
are often funded by government resources and other veterans organizations,
Confederate monuments faced a different reality due to the South's

(57:55):
economics trouble during reconstruction. The South was economic devastated after
the war. Our agrarian economy had collapsed. Widespread destruction of infrastructure, railroads, farms,
and cities left our region in ruin. Historians estimate that
it was roughly seventy six billion dollars in physical capital.

(58:17):
That's in modern day money was done of worth of
destruction came to the South, not counting the loss of
human capital from death and injuries. Recovery was slow, and governments,
state and local struggled to meet basic needs, as did
the Southern people. Let alone, did we have money extra

(58:39):
money to fund commemorative projects. For example, in eighteen sixty six,
Mississippi spent one third of its state's budget on artificial
limbs for Confederate veterans. This is a huge indicator of
the war's fiscal toll on the and the priority given
to immediate relief over erecting monuments to the dead. With

(58:59):
public looks fund scarce, the erection of Confederate monuments thought
largely into private efforts, especially our Southern women, wives, widows,
and daughters who had sent their husbands fathers and sons
off to war. Many of these men never returned, leaving
their families in grief and poverty, while others came back
disfigured and unable to work. Despite these hardship, these women's
raised funds through bake sales, raffles, and other community events,

(59:23):
and often took years due to the region's economic straits.
Their dedication, though, turned these monuments into tributes to personal
sacrifice resilience, not political statements. These were a place for
them to remember their men that they sent off to
war and did not return. Confederate leaders like Roberty Lee

(59:44):
Stonewall Jackson's and others who were not necessarily in favor
of secession but fought for their homes out of loyalty.
They are honored for their leadership and their defense of
their homes. Soldiers, black, white, Hispanic, Native American, jew, Gentile, Protestant, Catholic,
and every other every other under the sun that fought

(01:00:04):
for their homes and families deserve to be memorialized. These
monuments reflect their pride, their sacrifice, not any type of supremacy,
even when erected during the gym pro era to claim
otherwise overlooks the human stories of the human truth behind
these efforts. And d Carl, you are right. You know,

(01:00:37):
we talked about that at the very beginning, that they
that they've surrendered logically favor of emotions and we're trying,
we're trying to to make a balance between the two,
especially that one tries to make a balance between the two. Well, lay,

(01:00:57):
you say, true, Conservatives are governed by law. Liberals are
governed by human emotion, which can change by the men
and no kid in there. Uh tell that to the
to the Missipual legislature. They were governed by law a right. Uh,
they took the law and manipulated it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Conservatism, though is does not have a party at the moment. Well,
that's my views and opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Well my views and opinions. God, I wouldn't want to
be a conservative because I don't want to conserve what
we have now. So uh anyway, but we're not going
to get into that. Their next thing that they say
that we say, uh that removing Confederate we say, they

(01:01:42):
say that, we say that, They say that, we say,
removing this Confederate symbol is racing history in the name
of political correctness. Their response is, this is not an
attempt to race history. It's an effort to end government endorsement,
endorsement and celebration of the symbol that has always represented
the oppression of black people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I want to touch it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Hey, Yes, removing this monument does erase tangible history. It
permanently silences the stories of the diverse Southerners. And again
I list them out, who fought these symbols, educate, sparking
debate over our past and conversations about our past. Governments

(01:02:23):
should preserve them to honor all who shape the South,
our states, our country, and our local communities, not censor them.
If we start removing Confederate symbols because they offend somebody,
where does it end? Do we then remove the Ten Commandments?
Do we take in God we trust? Off the Mississippi
State Seal? Do we stop swearing to God in court

(01:02:44):
to tell the truth. The logic of removal based on
a fence is a slippery slope that risk erasing not
just Confederate history, but any part of our past that
doesn't align with modern sensibilities.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I'm just admiring how yours sounds so much smarter than mine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Wow, I worked on it last night.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, this this was done during my lunch break.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
In my defense. The next one is the claim that
my ancestor bravely served the Confederacy in the war. He
didn't own slaves, he was just defending his home. Removing
the symbol disrespects him and the ancestors of others in
this community, which is a very good one. But they
say the issue isn't about the personal motivations of one soldier.

(01:03:32):
It is clear that as a government, and that is
actually the italicize it they want, they want them to
make sure that they make that point. As a government,
the Confederacy endorsed slavery in white supremacy. He can be
found in the Confederate Constitution, in the recorded statements of Confederates,
Confederacy's leadership, and in the secession documents of the state.
This symbol represents the Confederate government which endorsed these beliefs.

(01:03:55):
If this is where it is worth noting that many
con Terans attended Blue Gray reunions after the war. These
reunions brought veterans from both sides together for reconciliation and
celebration of their collective identity as Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
All right, yeah, I'll let you touch that last one,
because I feel like you're gonna do it better than
I am. But the funny thing is it is about
the one soldier and the millions like him. Tell me,
Point to me where it says in honor of the
government we had, in honor of the fine government we had,

(01:04:38):
No in honor in honor of the soldier, in honor
of the veteran. Heck, our name the sons of Confederate veterans. Ah.
This one fires me up because again they're trying to
make it sound like they're not coming after the Confederate veteran,
they're going after the government. But that's lie because you're

(01:04:59):
a percent going after the veteran. This well is the soldier.
Well they do they do go at home that was
being invaded.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Right, And they do go after the veteran by saying
he fought for the government. But yeah, my response, go ahead,
go ahead, I blew to mine. Yeah. Uh, these symbols
honor the soldiers, not the Confederate government. Again, like you said,
most Confederate soldiers didn't own slaves. They fought for their home,
recognizing their sacrifice, including that of the different and I go,

(01:05:34):
you know, go to them again, like I said, I'm
not going fully through them because we're gonna make a
series of short video clips. Uh, you know, talking about
these like Frederick Douglass mentioned is eighteen sixty one. I
give that quote. Uh, this respects their humanity and not
the not necessarily the political system. Removing these symbols dismisses

(01:05:55):
their personal stories, reducing them to mere ponds. Uh in
your narrative. Furthermore, the Confederate Constitution preamble states, and I
go into the const We go into the Constitutional preamble again,
this is the beginning of the founding document. Nowhere does
it say anything about it being uh, you know, for

(01:06:17):
the institution of slavery. And then you can go into
more stuff about the Constitution. The big thing is we
will and and and Uh. Oh there's the here's my
good answer. There's a good answer. I'll go into that
a second.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
We had a multiple episodes with Carl Jones talking about
the Confederate Constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Right and and and Lloyd, you make you make a
good point. And I'm going to bring this up because
because I was kind of I was talking about uh
this last weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Roughly, if you if you look at it, you know,
I compare our modern struggle to the American Revolution, and
history teachers will tell you that in Theia monorn and
in the revolution, uh, three percent of the population we're
tories roughly, they were wanting to you know, remain loyal
to the crown, God, save the King, all that stuff.

(01:07:10):
Thirty three percent where patriots and wanted to break away
and form their own free, independent government. Another thirty three
percent didn't care one way or the other. Uh. We
will never be able to convince their thirty three percent,
just like we'll never they'll never be able to to
you know, get our thirty three percent. It's it's that

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middle ground. It's those people that you know are on
the fence that may you know, not you know, necessarily
want to stand with us, but they but they secretly do.
It's the argument for them. It's the argument for your
city council that wants to take down the flag or
you know, change zoning ordinance so you have to remove
the mega flag or take down the monument rather our memorial.

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It's that it's the city council that wants to go
and you know, deny you the ability to march and
Christmas break.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
You know, it's it's those it's those up there that
we need to influence, and you know, they just keep
coming after the same talking points, and we need to
be able to defeat their own uh talk talking points.
That's that's the big thing. That's the whole purpose of this. Also,
you know, again going back into recruitment. You know, if

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you're out there in the in your local area and
you have the eighteen already, have the corporate logo, the
main logo on your recruiting material, on your banner, whatever
you have. Uh, you know, people people may shy away
from it, and they may come up to you with
questions and things of that nature. So you need to
be able to answer it. We're just giving you some

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answers to be able to throw at it so that
we can get that middle ground, that middle ground to people.
That's what we have to have. So another option, this
is what I worked on forever. Yeah, so uh that

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so so let me let me backtrack for another one.
When they say, you know, that's not we're asking for here.
The difference is, unlike the Confederacy, those historical figures are
not generally being honored because of the legacy so associated
associated with race based oppression. Uh, this is another answer,
and I can't forget that I typed this one right
before Moose came on. I was on a roll. Your

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response hinges on a distinction that doesn't hold up under
the scrutiny, and under scrutiny and doesn't and sets us
up on a slippery slope towards racing much of our
historical landscape. If Confederate monuments should be removed because of
their ties to what you say is oppression, what prevents
the same reasoning from being applied to other revered figures.

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George Washington over their own over three hundred slaves and
profited from their labor. Thomas Jefferson enslaved hundreds, including his
own his supposed own children. N to Sally Hemming. Caesar Rodney,
assigner of the Declaration of Independence, owned slaves, and yet
his statue in Delaware has been removed. Christopher Columbus, whose
monuments dot the country, is tied to violent exploitation of

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indigenous people. If the Confederates legacy, Confederacy's legacy is deemed
to be tainted, too tainted to honor, why are these
figures exempt and why are y'all already going after these figures.
This just isn't a theoretical concern. It's already happening. Monuments
to Washington and Jefferson have been vandalized removed in places

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like Portland and New York. Columbus's statues have been toppled
or taken down in cities like Boston, Los Angeles. The
Delaware monuments to Caesar Rodney has an escaped removal either.
If the standard uh is that monuments tied to any
type of white supremacism or violent race based appreation must go,
then that netcasts far far more than just Confederate statues.

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It's a president that is actively unfolded. Why are people
like Sherman shared In and Lincoln being prosecuted as well?
These arguments that these figures aren't honored because of their
flaws ignores how subjective that judgment is. Confederate soldiers like
Washington or Jefferson were shaped by their era, and many
of them fought for their homes, not solely for what

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y'all claim. Drawing a line between them feels like selective moralizing.
If we keep sliding down this slope, we risk dismantling
every tribute to our past losing the messy, complex history
that has shaped us for better for worse, in favor
of sanitizing the present. Where do we stop? Where do we? Mm? Hm?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Is that just someone you can.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Go and look up what they say that we say,
and then their response and come up with your own responses. Yes,
But you know, the thing is we have their playbook.
We know exactly what they're going to say. Uh, and
we've known what they're going to say. We just have
it in writing this time, and and you can go
and look at it and read it for yourself and

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and come up with something. You know, I wrote this
on a you know, trying to trying to be more
academic level. And that may work for you know, for
for you know, going before the State Senate if I
ever had to, But that may not necessarily work in
your hometown. It may not work at your recruiting booth,

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it may not work you know wherever. You know, just
just go and word it the way, the response the
way you want to and remember that, you know, you
have to make this applicable to everybody from a different
socio economic backgrounds. Be prepared, be ready, I mean, you know,

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and and like we talked about last week. You know,
their their plan is pretty much the same thing that
we've been preaching for years. You know, step step one
we talked about last week what we need to be
ready to do. We need to be ready with. We
need to be ready to go and when your attack

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comes down there, you need to have a good base
in your community ready to support you, especially on your
local camp level. So get out there and do something.
Be a part of your community. You know, join other clubs.
If you're already a part of other clubs, go ahead
and you know, try to get them acclimated to to
the SCV life. Uh So that's that's step number one.

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Build your build your relationships in your community. Do your
research on whatever you're trying to preserve and protect, whether
it's a megaflag, whether it's a marker or historical marker,
whether it's Confederate memorial. Have that ready to go? Who
put it up? When was it put it up? Or
when was it put up? Not put it up? And
when was it put up? How is it paid for?
Paid for? Who paid for it, who currently maintains it,

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Who has the deed to that property? Do you have
a state law? Is it going to is the removal
of the monument going to violate the state law. You know,
is there legal precedence within your division that can help
you things of that nature. Have have that ready to go,

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have your defense plan ready to go. And and that's
part defense, part offense. Uh. You know, getting getting out
in the community is very offensive. Not like on offense
of like I'm offending somebody, but it's it's going on
the offense. So you know, get out there and do that,
set up recruiting booths, you know, bolster, bolster your your

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name and the community something. But on the other hand,
you know, uh, it's it's it's a double edged sword.
You need to be ready because it's gonna happen. If
Delaware will move and continue to fight the removal of
one of their uh one of their key figures that
they have honored for the past two hundred and well

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it would have been two hundred and forty four years
before they removed Broadney's statue. You know, if they would,
if they would do that, especially in a non confederate state,
almost border state, not really a border state. But I
didn't even try to succeed, uh, But in a state

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like that, then it will come to your neck of
the woods. We've already We've already seen it happen. Don't
be stuck with your head in the sand. I'm currently
working on based off of the s the Non Southern
non Broke, non Legal Center, the Yankee Rich Lying Center,

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I think is what they should change their names to.
My views and opinions, then go ahead, and you know
I'm doing. I'm working out of that for the division level,
so we can disseminate to our camps that our camps
can get out there and be prepared, and so that
you know, areas like we have several counties here in
Mississippi that do not have camps active camps in that march.

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You know, camps have either fallen away or you know,
something like that. So it's at that point it's in Mississippi.
It's up to the brigade leadership to be ready to
step up and fight that fight. And then if the
brigade needs help, the division everybody come in. But the
first line of defense is your local camp.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
And you always have to be ready. Make sure to
begin out in your computy communities playing offense and have
I love heritage operation. This is what it is designed
to do. Ke sure you have a camp heritage officer, right,

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three of them, specifically at least of Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Mississippi. The way we're doing it is we're going heritage promotions,
uh heritage Uh, I think that my phone's holding or
holding my phone up. We have heritage promotions, heritage defense,
and then we also have heritage legislative action trying to
influence laws and things of that nature so that we

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can have better heritage, a better heritage law in Mississippi.
We have when we want a better one, uh, to
to go through the legal system and do everything like that.
So that's the least time I'm doing. I'll be happy
to share it. And carl Is is absolutely uh right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
They they they're completely devoid of context and it equates to
fourth grade elementary level view. The problem that they have
is they compare talking points. We heard that over and
over and over again in white supremacy, you know, blah
blah blah, all those key action words that they think
that they can throw and get that thirty three percent
that middle ground people off of us and get over

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there on their side, you know, And we have to
spend the time presenting context and stuff like that, But
I hope that y'all heard what we said. You know,
that took all of maybe two minutes, and I was
reading kind of you know, or try to keep my
responsors to two minutes, but we kept that, try to
keep it from being super verbose. Like I said, over

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the next couple of weeks, we're gonna try to record
a couple of these at a time when I can,
you know, clean up the back office a little bit
and get a better full flag display and maybe some
artwork something like that, get a better setting so that
we can do these in the semi professional content and
so that we can get them out to y'all so

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that y'all can use on your camp level things like
that for education. But we've been added for an hour,
nineteen minutes. Doesn't feel like it does not at all. So, uh, Harrison,
what are you doing Tomorrow night?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I'm gonna watch look Around Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
We have a show called Look Around Florida with Sean McCaul. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Yeah, Florida. Man's coming to you live from the great
State of Florida, and he's gonna be giving you obviously,
but he will be giving an update on all things Floridian.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
It would be weird if he was doing it for
my you know, Kentucky, not necessarily.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Actually, if it would be hilarious coming to you from Kentucky.
Here's the update on Florida Vision.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, look Around Florida hosted by Hi God in Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
He actually has technically done episodes outside of the state.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, well we all have. Oh, but still that'd be
a little bit I mean, like instantly, you know you
look around Florida, but but focused on the Kentucky division.
That was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yeah, you know what sean for April Fools, I ask
that you a whole episode on another division. Don't talk
about it, act like it's a Florida update, and just
see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, uh, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Thursday night we will be having of course Look Around
the Confederation. You can email us at SCV Youth Outreach
at gmail dot com and you'll be featured on the
upcoming episode of Look Around the Confederation. We might have
a guest this week hopefully. We're looking through scheduling conflicts now,
but it will be live at seven pm.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Of course Friday, you have the friends of Douglas south
Hall Freeman chat there on uh, David Pope's thing. Fun fact,
actually I was able to find a copy of south
Hall Freeman's uh lee uh that was republished a couple
of years ago. I got it at the Canton flea

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Market this past Thursday for three books. I haven't had
a chance to crack it open. Uh. Sean's show is Tuesday.
We don't do any programming on Wednesday because of you know,
church and other things like that. And then of course
on Sunday nights we have Michael c. Hardy's uh you know,
go check out his uh chat on his page. That's

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usually a good time had by all. But but remember
Moose Hunt t shirts. If you're gonna be at National Reunion,
which you know, get your registrations in your T shirt.
Carl Jones mate shoot Teacher, how to shoot an nerf done?
So uh yeah, let's well, he may have had a

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scheduling conflict or maybeen a rerun, David, but he is
supposed to do it on Tuesdays.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
He normally does it on Tuesdays, but he had something
come up last week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Yeah, so there we go. But remember we're doing our
two hundredth episode at National Reunion. It will be live,
so y'all. Uh, obviously it'll be live, but you know
we're allowing a live studio audience. Normally we like sneak away,
but you know we're gonna actually have the pan tilt

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zoom thing with me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
It's going to be an interesting episode and I might
talk about something on the after show that I might do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Don't know me before you start hitting record.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
H oh yeah, no, no, okay, you'll get a kick
out of it, trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Good. Hopefully it's shooting we get to shoot you more
with the nerf gun. But anyway, if speaking of after show,
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some stock footage that we can use for some other videos.
So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We didn't get a weather
report tonight. Our meteorologist was out out and about. This
was one of his brother reports last week. So the

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words of late great hairb Philpot, remember no Umar in
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