July 15, 2025 • 68 mins
In this episode of SCV CHAT, we dive into the often-overlooked Battle of Raymond—a key fight in the Vicksburg Campaign. Hear how outnumbered Confederate forces under Gen. John Gregg fought fiercely on Mississippi soil against Union troops, buying precious time for Southern defenses. We explore the strategy, the soldiers, and the legacy left behind in Raymond, Mississippi.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
And I'm again it, I'm agin.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
You're really cool.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So for those that of y'all are following the SEV
chat page on Facebook, we do thank you. And if
you are not on our Patreon page, you should be
because I have the Patreon chat up tonight. Now. I'm
just saying that really quickly. No promises that I'll be
able to look at it, because I've got a list
of notes and things like that that we have to cover,
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not that we have to cover, but we're gonna cover
because you know, we're doing a historical talk episode, and
I will explain why we are doing doing a battle
in Mississippi that had very few to any Mississippians that
actually fought in it. Oh wow, it's a bunch of
Texans and Tennesseeans mostly and Greg, Yeah, there's Greg, which Greg.
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Let's see here is it Greg Johnson? Is it Greg Wilcox,
Greg John Greg? Okay John, Greg. It's gonna be one
of those nights anyway. So uh, trying to get a
picture that I put on our Facebook earlier for those
of y'all who are not on the Facebook, is.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
About our episode while you're at it, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, so we Uh. For the past couple of years,
Jason beauch Shears has been saying that Adam Southern looks
like a velvet elvis. And yesterday I was at a
certain chick Chicken establishment that is open on Sundays and
lo and behold they had a velvet elvis. So Moss
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is gonna put a poll up on the YouTube and
asking do y'all think that the velvet elvis behind me
actually looks like Adam Southern, the executive director. A lot
of people say that you kind of squint at it
and turn upside down and look at it. Maybe it does,
maybe it doesn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We report you decide.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Sent to the comments. See who's in tonight? Uh bye,
blah blah blah blah. Good evening. Wilford Owens and Andrew
and Kyle Thompson on Time, Well, I guess you're on time.
We kind of started a minute late. And then Ol
and Wes and Michael c. Hardy Good Evening, and then
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Floyd Harvey and Good Evening, Paul Gremming and Uh to
the mouton Camp Good evening, and Faversham to Carl. Uh
been meaning to call Carl the past couple of days,
but you know, life comes at you fast and then
you forget and next thing you know, you're on Live
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and having meant to call Karl.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Uh, you had that post, you got that thing up
yet almost, So yeah, apologize for last week not having
an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We got to division reunion and I was a little
bit signessy going into it. And when we got there
Friday night, everything was going well. But we suddenly get
to Saturday morning and I'm asked, hey, and you run
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the business meeting as a division parliamentarian And I'm like sure,
and I did. And I'm also resolution chare for the
Misssippi Division and I like resolutions. I like resolutions a lot.
Resolutions are fun. They make me feel good. Well, anyway,
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we Uh get to the wonderful portion. I had to
read some I got a little bit verbose on a
couple of them and uh, reading them out loud killed
my voice, especially when the microphone died. And at the
very end of the business session, we had a member
who was hard of hearing, who, instead of sitting near
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the front, sat in the middle to the back of
the audience and kept saying we, you know, screaming, I
can't hear you, instead of moving up.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Can you say it louder for the people in the back.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, no, kidding, instead of moving up, which would be
the ply thing to do to any type of speaker.
So if you are part of hearing and you think
that you may, oh, I don't know, not be able
to hear an important portion of a business meeting, just
go ahead and sit near the front.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The poll is up by the way, everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So anyway, as I am standing there trying to scream
at the top of my lungs so that this gentleman
can hear me, I yeah. I of course had to
dip a snuff in, as per my usual, and it
went down the wrong windpipe. And I've had this happen before.
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It's happened before on this show. But the combination of
having to you know, throw my voice out and then
Saturday night at the banquet, we had our normal resolutions
that's what we do in Mississippi. The the thank the
camp for hosting, and the thank the ocr chapter for
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helping them, and the thanking this person and thanking that person.
The ones that really, you know, are are no brain passes.
We just handle those at the reunion as one of
the last items of business. So anyway, I had to
read the rest of the resolutions. Of course, we passed
one Adams supposed to be sending it to Don Barrett's
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widow on behalf of the division as well as to
the Alabama Division expressing our condolences and prayers in this
tough time. We had a past division commander pass away
like Wednesday, right before reunion. Uh so there's one we
had to get out to his family and then some
other stuff, so needless to say. And then on Sunday,
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of course, being up in northeast Mississippi, we had to
stop at Shiloh and the girlfriend this was her and
I hope she's watching. This was her real first taste
of the STV and she had a great time. And
you know, I was talking about my ancestor, Captain Nathan W.
Sleigh at that point Sergeant Nathan W. Sleigh and you
know where we assumed he was shot and wounded at
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and you know, just based on some accounts that we've
been able to find. And uh, at that point, I
was completely voiceless and could not get above a whisper
on Monday, and then had a mandatory meeting at work
on Tuesday, and then now my voice is mostly back,
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so it was legit.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Like, uh, so we accidentally ran into Connor uh Sunday.
We just wanted to go by in uh Shiloh and
see the Mississippi Monument before we left, and Connor gets
out of the car and we were like what what, Hey,
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what'd you say? Because I mean, we're all the way
up here and so we honestly couldn't hear mcconnor. Just
finally does I said, I hate you.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was it was literally when I had that mandatory
meeting on Tuesday, I would talk, get three words out
and then completely is like go out. So I was
having to like hold my vocal cords in order to
get a get a word out. So yeah, that's that's
gonna be. Oh, Kyle, I hate I'm going to miss
your multi camp tour at Shiloh this Saturday. I'm gonna
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be at the Nathan Bedford Forest Boyhood home coming. Are
you going Moose?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh, goody goody? Uh we may go live, we probably
won't though, I'm not sure how the cell phone service
in that area is. So. Anyway, hope all of you
guys had a great Father's Day yesterday. Father's Day and
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what you do for your dad yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Mass Well, I actually got him a nice gift, so.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So Saturday, I took him to see our my favorite
movie in his in Diana Jones Movie and Nana Jones
and The Last Crusade, and I did pay for which
I think shocked him to his core.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He even gave me the money after, like I was
a kid that was paying for something to feel important.
And I was like, no, Dad, I'm actually paying for
this for you. And I still don't think he understood.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He didn't know to do with his hands, or he
really didn't know what to do his hands.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He's the whole drive back.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's like, so you don't want my money.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I was like, no, Dad, it was a Father's Day gift.
He's like, I don't understand. And I was like, Okay,
maybe I need to start buying more stuff from my father.
And then I was hoping I would get this in time,
and I got it the day before Father's Day. But
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I nominated my father for the honorary title of Kentucky Colonel.
He won, and I presented that to him on Father's
Day yesterday, along with a limited edition recreation of the
first ever Duck Commander Duck Call. And I actually surprised him.
I don't think I've ever surprised my father. I think
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he knows who I am that well that he can
guess what I'm going to get him most years. And yes,
I was able to get him the title of Kentucky colonel.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, does that mean he's gonna start Ryan Chicken? Yes,
that is a cool thing. I'm glad that Kentucky still does.
Mississippi got rid of our colonels sometimes in the seventies
or eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, they're only an appointed position that lasts as long
as the current governor's in office. So say, if you
were given that title under Tate reeves, it goes away
permanently after he gets out of office. The Kentucky colonel thing,
which is why I went for the Kentucky. Colonel one
is a life of honorary title, so for all his
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craps and good he won't because he's a Navy man.
But he could go buy colonel dolls if he wanted to,
and I highly am trying to make him do that
at the school. Yes, are Are the Mississippi Division commander
is now a colonel.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, I was only a major when I was. At
least some are re enacted battalion.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So Father's Day for the past six years has been
kind of weird for me, mainly because my dad's dead.
But I have been going through some of his files
which got mixed in with the division files, trying to
find and trying to separate the stuff out. And I
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found his notes on the Battle of Raymond, which is
a very interesting little battle back during the nineteen nineties.
So like when I was you know, baby, baby baby, Uh.
The Army War College every summer used to bring their
are there one of their classes down here, and they
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learned the Vicksburg Campaign, of course, studying Grant's version of
the Vicksburg Campaign, or at least that's what that's what
the Army War College was teaching how to survive, subsist
off the land without a basis supply and within enemy territory.
And uh my dad actually was an adjunct professor for that.
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Uh and he taught uh the Battle of Raymond and
the Battle of Champions Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hmm, Sorry, I was answering, Andrew, you go to the
back gate. Yeah, yeah, we don't use the front gate anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Back gate. Yeah, call one N hundred myself, ask for
air pavetting and he'll give you step a step directions. Yes,
he's not here to defend himself, so.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
We are nominating him for that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah. So anyway, we uh so that's what we're gonna
talk about tonight, kind of in memory of my father,
call one hundred myself. All right, there you go, thank
you in there. Kind of it memory my father and
Forefather's Day. My dad's second favorite talk, his first favorite
talk was on a Mississippi Confederate general that I have
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not found his notes on and haven't had to uh
uh check on is another another word, Adams. Uh, I
haven't been able to do that, but I will eventually
revive that talk of his. So instead we're gonna talk
about the Battle of Raymond. Raymond also has a very
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special place because that is where my sister lives. And
one day, if the Good Lord is willing and I'm
able to retire, I shall retire out to Raymond, and
is still a sleepy little town in central Mississippi. So
you're ready, miss, ready to learn some stuff?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh? I'm always ready to learn you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What type of pet is it? What type of what
the plant starts with the sea? Not all? Not? No,
the one you're getting of Jason.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh, it's a mm hmm chia pet. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
He did learn something, all right? So why Raymond? Why
is Raymond so important? And why is Raymond in my opinion,
at least one of the or the pivotal turning point
in the war between the states. To start it, we
first have to set the scene. Uh it is eighteen Well,
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let's just let's just go ahead and and Raymond for
those let me see if I can pull up a map? Oh,
really quickly? Do do do?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
So y'all can kind of get an idea.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And that's not gonna work. Like I said, it has
been a very interesting couple of days. Image in you
tap all right, you cannot share the tab from my computer?
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Can you?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can send me in the link and I can
pull it up on mine.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I already got it pulled up. Let me close that out,
all right. So this is the great and sovereign state
of Mississippi. They're in the center ish of the state.
You should see where Highway fifty five and I twenty
intersect a star with Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Everybody see that, yea?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You see that moves all right right about where the
sea is, or in between the C and the A,
and a little bit under there is a blank spot,
and that is roughly the town of Raymond is right
in there. Raymond is a very small small town population
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it The town would have died if it wasn't for
Hans Community College. The population of the town of Raymond
is one thousand, eight hundred and eighty one. That and
the Hans Community College and the fact that it is
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one of two county seats for Hans County. But that's
not why it's important for the war between the states,
or at least in today's study. So if you notice
over to the west of Jackson, follow I twenty like
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you're heading towards Louisiana, you will see that there is
another town under the number that says sixty one. I
don't know if you have seen our cursor or not,
but it is called Vicksburg. Now. Vicksburg is a city
on a set of hills or cliffs bluffs, if you will.
That the Confederacy immediately realized was very important. And during
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the War between the States, there was a rail line
that ran from Vicksburg all the way across the state,
with the exception of one little spot Jackson was missing
it in fully connect but it was a major rail line. Also,
if you notice here, Mississippi is bounded or boundaried by
the Mississippi River. If you remember back to your history.
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In eighteen sixty two, New Orleans has fallen and Memphis
fell as well in eighteen sixty three. Vicksburg and Port
Hudson are the only two major defensible positions on the
river that were still in Confederate hands. As I said,
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Vicksburg loomed over the Missippi River like a gray fortress.
It's bluffs bristling with cannons, a bulwark of Confederate hope.
In the War between the States, the river was the
South's lifeline, sippy river carrying men, grain, and cattle, from Texas, Louisiana,
and Arkansas to the Eastern Heartland railroad stretch from Vicksburg
to Jackson, a web of iron knitting the Confederacy together
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and again reminding everyone that Memphis fell in June of
sixty two in New Orleans and April sixty two, Vicksburg
stood as one of the last bastions on the Mississippi,
the nailhead holding the South's halves together. Its loss would
cut the Confederacy in half. In autumn of eighteen sixty two,
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Federal General Ulysses S. Grant whit cast his eyes on Vicksburg,
launching a campaign that stumbled through fire and mire. His
first thrust sent roughly forty thousand Blue coats south along
the Mississippi Central Railroad from Tennessee, aiming to crush General
John Pimperton's Confederates and seize Jackson and Vicksburg. He eventually
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set up a supply depot in Holly Springs, Mississippi, and
his wagon trail or his supply lines went all the
way back to Tennessee. On December twentieth, though of eighteen
sixty two, Earl Van Dorn's cavalry struck and raided Holly
Springs and torched roughly one and a half million dollars
in federal stores and scattered and capturing roughly fifteen hundred prisoners.
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Grant's army was gutted and it limped back to Memphis.
The campaign was a smoldered ruin. Grant later recalled, I
believe in his memoirs and I'm paraphrasing here that I
had nothing but to do but retreat back to Memphis.
He had no way to supply his army. He was
not living off the land at this point. Meanwhile, while
Grant's getting his butt kicked in North Mississippi, William decomps
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of Sherman, who steamed down the Yazu River with roughly
thirty thousand men, eyeing Chickasaw bay Us Bluffs north of Vicksburg,
and on December twenty ninth, they charged through the swamps,
only to be cut down by Stephen D. Lee's and
Trent's Confederates. The Blue Coats fell like wheat, losing roughly
seventeen seventy six men to the Confederates two hundred and seven.
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The idea that Grant had for the Central Mississippi Railroad
campaign is that he would start operating north of Vicksburg
and it would cause John C. Pemberton to pull his
army or most of his army out of the city
and go fight Grant. Meanwhile, while Grant is fighting Pemberton,
Sherman would come through the Bayous to the north and
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capture the city, maybe a small battle with whatever Pemberton left,
but you know, while the major armies out. And of
course it didn't work. Winter brought Grant's next gambit. He
began thinking on what to do, and he began, excuse
me that spring with the Bayou Expedition. If you're looking
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for a book on the Bayou Expedition, let me recommend
my favorite of Larry's books or his either his first
one about the Azu Pass or the newest one. Uh
that's planes, trains, automobiles and uh gunboats by us and
something else. But Larry has those books, mcluney, does. I
think they're at headquarters for sale. If not, just reach
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out to mclooney, uh, past Commander in chief mclooney, and
he'll be happy to sell you one. I like the
first one better because I mentioned in the forward, and
I'm happy to autograph that page that I mentioned on
for you. Anyway, the Bayou Expedition uh To to put
in a nutshell, Grant blew the levees and tried to
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flood the Yazoo and Tallahatchie rivers and be able to
sell down. Uh. Pemberton had already pre entrenched at certain
areas like Greenwood, Mississippi, where the Yazoo and Tallahatchie me
I believe it's the Yazoo and Talahatchie meat and uh
they built for Pemberton there, and as the federal flotilla
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came down, they had sunk a ship called the Star
of the West in the middle of the river and
literally bottlenecked of the river and they could not proceed.
So Grant had failed. Grant's running out of ideas. He's tried,
He's tried two attempts from the north uh to to
capture the city, and he realizes that he can't. He
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doesn't want to try to go down south because again, Vick,
let me ask a question, Harrison, is it easier to
go upriver or downriver in a boat down? Yes, And
that's what his big fear was. If he was to
go south, then he would have to you know, float
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float down the river. And there's no guarantee that his
h that the fleet, the Brown Water Navy would be
able to move back forward and uh move back upstream
and help with his advance. Uh, he would be behind,
you know, enemy lines, without a line of communication or
without a lot of supplies. But Grant decides that's the
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only thing that he can do. And he also thinks
that it is so daring that the Confederates won't think
of it to keep Uh. Well, let me ask you
another question, Harrison. During the war, what branch of the
army was known as the eyes of the army.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Scouts?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh, calvary. But yeah, we'll go ahead and give you
that thank you half credit. Grant knows that you know
that the South has does have great cavaliers, and he
does know that he's about to be operating deep in
an enemy territory. So he orders a certain Colonel Benjamin
Grierson to take seventeen hundred cavalrymen from Lagrange, Tennessee and
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do a six hundred mile raid, slashing railroads and burning
bridges all the way to Baton Rouge. And it's Grant's
hope that that look excuse not Lagrange that Grierson will
continue to be in just just far enough out of
the way from Confederate calvary that a he won't get captured,
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but b that it will draw all the Confederate cavalry off.
That Pemberton will begin freaking out, and he will see
that as a as the main attacking force, and he
will focus send this cavalry out there and focus in
on that. And it works. And that's exactly what Pemberton does.
He sends all this cavalry and stuff out. Meanwhile, Grant
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marches his army down the Louisiana side of the river
and they cross at Bruinsburg, which is just around Port Gibson.
That is roughly around May first, eighteen sixty three. If
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you want to be very technical about it. Grant's column
they were McPherson was first. Well I'm getting ahead of
myself anyway. It was the grandest amphibious landing that America
has ever seen until d Day. There you go. However,
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the Federal army begins crossing on May thirtieth, May first,
though at Port Gibson, thirty miles south of Vicksburg. John
Bowen has six thousand Confederates, mostly Missourians, Arkansas, Arkansas and Alabamians,
and they begin putting up a fight again. Six thousand men.
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If you've never been to the area that the Battle
of Port Gibson was fought upon, it is very ravening. Uh,
there's a lot of ravines, cane breaks, bushes, brambles. I mean,
it's you wanna. I often say that Shiloh is the
one of the better preserved battlefields where you can get
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an idea of what it was kind of like there
as far as the topography goes. But Port Gibson is
definitely one. Nobody has tried clearing out those cane brakes.
Only difference now is the addition of kudzoo into things.
Of course, you know that one brought on until after
World War Two. Anyway, those six thousand men are able
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to hold back mcclernet's twenty three thousand Federals for about
seventeen hours, and they can completely bottleneck the Federal army.
And of course Bowen sends word back to Pemberton, Hey,
this is this is it that you forget the faint,
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forget the cavalry that's you know, going and destroying railroads
and stuff. This is the real deal right here. As
far as casualties, the statistics go of the six thousand
Bowen UH suffered sixty eight dead, three hundred and eighty wounded,
and three hundred and thirty nine lost as compared to
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the Federals who had eight hundred and seventy five casualties.
And at this point, as Bowen falls back, the road
to central Mississippi is open now. Grant had originally been
looking at maps and things like that planning the campaign,
and he knew that Jackson was a major rail hub
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for supplies and things like that as well as reinforcements.
Grant did not want to it is my belief and
I believe it has been proved by many other historians.
Originally did not want to go and attack Jackson. His
original idea was to attack a place called Edward Station,
which is really close to Edward's Mississippi. While he thinks
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about doing that, he begins planning his line of march.
And his men are trying, as are not trying, but
they are subsistent sting off of the local agriculture, of
the local farm stores and things like that. Other than
you know, a couple of local home guards scouting type things.
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The Calvary has not gotten back. Pemberton is a very
cautious general. You have to remember that Pemberton. And I'm
sure doctor Sandy Mitcham is typing something in here about Pemberton,
isn't he?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, what I call bow in the Stonewall, Mississippi. Sorry,
I'm getting caught up on the chat. Let me get
back on here anyway. Grant continues to move up, and
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he begins to fan his men out in a line
of march. On May twelfth, eighteen sixty three, so this
is a couple. A couple of days later, Raymond's Pond
and Oak Country became a crucible fire. Fourteen mile Creek,
a shallow stream with steep banks, snake through a wooded ravine.
It's crossing on the Unica Road, rising some three hundred
yards to a northern ridge. Cotton Fields and dense woods
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choked with vionds and stumps flank the valley, hiding pitfalls
in thick underbrush. The heat of the ninety degree earth
turned canteens into treasures, and here at Raymond, a brigade
consisting of three thousand to four thousand Texans and Tennesseeans
stood against James B. McPherson's ten thousand, seventeenth Corps in
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a clash of Southern grid against Federal might. So to
give us a little bit of prelude about the battle.
As Grant is moving up, Pemberton is thinking that Grant
is going to immediately march up and attack Vicksburg. But
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he's still getting reports that Grant is moving more or inland.
So he dispatches Greg greg who had been originally at
Port Hudson and sent north as reinforcements to Jackson. To
Josephe Johnston, who was on his way there, is ordered
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by Pemberton to move to Raymond and hopes of intercepting
a unit or excuse me, at federal unit rumored to
be at Utica. Both at Greg and Pemberton believed that
the Federal forces was there in the area was only
a single brigade which would have numbered about fifteen hundred men.
In reality, the force was McPherson's entire court again ten
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to twelve thousand men. They expected that the Federals would
attack at the Big Black River and then go to Vicksburg.
I cannot make that clear enough. And Pemberton believed that
any movements towards Jackson via Raymond were simply feints, and
it was his orders, or his orders to Greg were
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to fall back to Jackson if Union troops pushed or
excuse me, Federal troops pushed through Raymond, but to attack
the rear of Grant's line if the Federal army pivoted
towards the Big Black Again. He's assuming that there's just
one brigade that's coming up towards Raymond. Capture, you know,
defeat and capture that brigade. Find out where the Federal
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Army is about to hit the Big Black River, and
when they do, we want you to hit him from
the rear and keep harassing them. Good in theory, but
not in reality. Greg and his men actually reached Raymond
on May the eleventh, expecting to find Colonel Adams's Confederate
Calvary in the town. However, Adams's men were to conduct reconnaissance. However,
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then we found a small command of forty Calvary men,
mainly young locals, and a separate five man detachment. Greg
sent the Calvary down the road towards Utica, keeping the
five men as for courier service, and they sent messages
two Atoms telling him to bring his force to Raiment.
The unexpected lack of calvary at Raymond may have been
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due to Adams's misunderstanding a poorly written order from Pemberton.
Adams later did send a unit of fifty additional calvaryman
to a Greg, and they arrived that night. On the
morning of May twelfth, the scouting force reported approaching Union
soldiers and Greg, still anticipating only a union of Federal brigade,
prepared for a battle with forces number and around three
thousand to four thousand men. The scouts had been unable
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to provide an accurate account of Federal strength, believing that
he could only that he could easily defeat the approaching
enemy force, Greg responded very, very, very aggressive. As dawn
broke on the hot and still day of May twelfth,
the air thick with promise of blood, Federal cavalry leading
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McPherson's column, trotted down the Unica Road probing for resistance.
Hiram Grandberry, who a very interesting reed, had placed skirmishers forward,
and they had opened fired at the Federal cavalry at
about one hundred yards, surprising the Blue Horsemen Rifles cracked
and the Federals fell back, startled to find confederates. So
Bold a Scalp galloped to the Southern commander, reporting twenty
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five hundred to three thousand blue coats, likely an overestimate,
confirming the belief that he faced a mere brigade. Bledsoe's
guns and that's a Federal battery began getting out into line.
Dang it, I hate typing this thing, Albuquerque, Yeah, me too,
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but the Bloodsoe's guns eventually got into line and began
firing out at the advancing Federal troops, and the Union
artillery began firing as well. Excuse me, Bludsoe was Confederate.
My bat him got a little bit of a headache
right now. Which side opened the battle is not known.
Smoke from the fire and cloud of the air and
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reduced effective of both sides artillery. Around nine am, McPherson
realized that the Confederates in front of his force represented
more than just skirmishers, and he began deploying for a
lot of battle. McPherson used Calvary to cover his flanks
and brought the brigade of General Elias Dennis's brigade of
four regiments to the front. Six cannons of the eighth
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Michigan Light Artillery were brought up to dual Blotsoe's battery.
Dennis's men forced the Confederates back and sent a skirmish
line across the creek. The third Ohio Battery also arrived
on the scene, strengthening the Federal line, which has which
now had a twelve to three advantage in artillery. Twelve
to three advantage in artillery. I wouldn't want to be there.
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Union Brigadier General John E. Smith's five regiment Brigade of
Logan's sixty five hundred man Division arrived and attacked the
Confederate line. Of Smith's regiments, only the twenty third Indiana
Infantry was successfully able to cross the creek, and the
others became bogged down in the heavy undergrowth near the creek.
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Any questions so.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Far, I don't think so. I don't see any from
the crowd either.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Seeing the Federals were funneled on the Unica Road, the
Southern commander tightened his line for attack. The seventh Texas
and third Tennessee would strike in echelon. And for those
who don't remember what in echelon means think back to
the bourgard art, not the Borguard talk. God forgive me
the bark still talk, where it's like a row of
dominoes of the one regiment would walk off, and then
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the next regiment would step off after they took so
many paces forward. The idea to string out the federal
line while the fiftieth Tennessee and the tenth and thirtieth
Tennessee consolidated would swing off the gallat road. Did the
federal right, aiming to capture McPherson's guns before they silence bloodshots.
Grand Beary's Texans smashed into the twentieth and sixty eighth Ohio,
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the former holding the latter, breaking for the rear. The
third Tennessee drove the twenty third Indiana back across the creek,
shifting southeast to threaten the forty fifth Illinois. The Federal
line buckled, but Logan rode through the smoke. General Logan Federal, shouting,
for God's sake, don't disgrace your country. His voice rallied
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the blue coats. McPherson green as a core commander, overestimated
his southern foes. The forty first Tennessee moved up from reserve,
but heavy smoke and dust blinded the Confederates to the
Federal strength. John D. D. Stevenson's brigade, held back by
dust clouds, now advanced two regiments, bolstering Dennis's and Smith's
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Federal brigades, shoring up the Union right and foiling the
Confederate flank attack. The fiftieth Tennessee fired early, losing surprise
and fell back without telling the tenth and thirtieth Consolidated,
which weighted idle, stalling the flanking move. The twentieth Illinois counterattack,
driving the seventh Texas back, splitting it summed to the
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first Tennessee battalion and the others to the tenth and
the thirtieth Consolidated Tennessee. The lines religned. The Federals held
one hundred and twenty five yards east of the bridge,
firing north. Confederates held one hundred yards around a creek
bend firing south. The third Tennessee, expected cover from the fiftieth,
took fire from the thirty first Illinois on its explosed flank.
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Four Federal regiments counter attacked after forty five minutes, only
to be checked by the forty first Tennessee. Chaos reigned
in the undergrowth, smoke choking the air. Units fighting as
scattered bands. At one point, thirty Marcellus M. Coker's brigade
under John B. Sandberg arrived, supporting Logan's left. Two more
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regiments joined Smith and Stevenson, though deemed unneeded and held
in reserve. The fiftieth and tenth and thirtieth Tennessee prepared
to advance, but Broke contacked the latter, shifting right, leaving
a gap with the forty first four to twenty four
pound howitzers from Battery d first Illinois Light Artillery strengthened
the federal barrage. McPherson's twenty two guns twenty two cannons
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pounded the Confederates. The Yanks for forcing across the creek.
Clashing with the fiftieth Tennessee and the tenth and thirtieth
exposed charged the seventh Missouri US, its commander falling early.
The Tennesseeans drove the Missourians back with the thirty first
Illinois rallied rally and rallied Missourians halted them, repulsing a
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Federal push. The Confederate commander, unaware of that the fiftieth
had unaware. The fiftieth held his left, shifted the forty
first there while the fiftieth moved right, swapping places. The
Federal numbers telling retreat loomed. The first Tennessee battalion feigned
an attack on Croker's men, covering the seventh Texas and
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third ten Seeds withdrawal. The bluff work the blue coat.
It's being falling back. The tenth and thirtieth attacked on
excuse me, attacked an Ohio regiment, only to be driven off.
The fiftieth Tennessee covered the unicu robe retreat or perhaps
suit the Gallaton Road. Six companies. The third Kentucky Mounted
Infantry arrived, aiding of the withdrawal. By four the Confederate
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streamed through Raymond towards Jackson, halting in the woods near
a cemetery. Joined by one thousand men under W. H. T. Walker,
They left five hundred and fourteen behind, twenty five dead,
two hundred ninety nine wounded, and one hundred and eighty
six missing, as compared to the federals four hundred and
forty two losses. Ward Adams's cavalry scattered by Bererson's raid
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offered little help except for the five troopers at the
start and fifty arriving later. There scouts a harried Federal
flank post flanks post battle and continued being a stinging defiance.
Federal soldiers inner Raymond and devoured fried ship and lemonade
prepared for the Confederates by the townspeople, the women of
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the town. Again hearing what Greg believed that this would
be a small, little affair, that it would be a
small battle, and comparatively to other battlefields, it was rather small.
But they had prepared a picnic for the Southern boys
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when as they came home, and of course the Yankees
took advantage of it. Now, as the dust settled and
the Confederates were treated back into Jackson, Grant began having
his captured prisoners interrogated and interpreted. And this is where
I believe, and so did my father and several other historians,
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that the war between the States changed. If you remember,
at the beginning of this little talk, grants original plan
was to move up to Edward Station and cut the
rail line there. However, remember where Greg and his men
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had just come from the night before, they'd come through Jackson,
right Harrison yeah, all right, who was in Jackson? Joseph E. Johnston.
Johnston had been sent down to Jackson by President Davis
to raise reinforcements to help with the siege or help
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with the battle for Vicksburg, ninesster of the siege. They
didn't know it was going to be a siege. As
Grant is is getting reports from these captured prisoners that
they had just been in Jackson that Johnston is in Jackson,
are raising a force in Jackson. Grant then decides, and
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I believe in his memoirs that he wrote that he'd
always planned to go to Jackson, but I believe it
was that night in Raymond, Mississippi, that he decided that
he would then go to Jackson, either defeat Joseph Johnston
or cause Johnston to retreat, secure his line of retreat,
and then move following the railroad into Vicksburg and then
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too Edwardson. Had he not had he went immediately to
Edwards and advanced on the Big Black River as originally planned,
And of course that was Pemberton's hope as well, that
he would go and at that point move on to
the Big Black River, because the Confederates were on the
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others the Vicksburg side of the river, Grant would have
been potentially caught between two armies, and who knows what
would have happened then. However, Grant decides that he would
pivot and head to Jackson, and a couple days later
Jackson would burn for the first of four times.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
First of four, I thought it was three, So that four?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
No, he all right, so the first time uh there Uh.
Then after the uh cig of Vicksburg, of course, you know, well,
let's I'll get back to that.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
After they burned it, they moved to Clinton. They tear
up the rail lines there. Uh, that's where it's reported
that the first Sherman necktie was made. They then moved
into Edwards, where Pemberton was waiting outside of a small community,
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uh a near Baker's Creek, where there was a family
named Champions that lived there. And of course their house
was on the hill and they owned the hill and
Champions Hill, which I believe it was. Winston Churchill said
that the drums of uh Champions Hills sounded the doom
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doom of Richmond. I think that it was actually the
drums of the shots of Raymond, sound of the doom
of Richmond. The Confederate army was broken. About a third
of it was able to escape and get with Joe Johnston.
The other third fought a big Black river, and then
of course went into the entrenchments at Vicksburg. Grant launched
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an assault there. They were horribly defeated, and then he
began setting up the siege, and of course, on July fourth,
eighteen sixty three, we ended up surrendering the city. And
by that point Johnston was in the was beginning to
move on Grant's rear, but it was too little, too late,
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and he even said, I believe I've arrived too late,
and no kid, he retreats back into Jackson, and then
there's the Siege of Jackson. As the Confederate Army pulls
out of Jackson and Sherman's Corps captures that they burned
it again. Then in this winter of eighteen sixty four,
during the Meridian Expedition, which was Sherman's practice march to
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the where he marched from Vicksburg to Meridian, originally going
to go to Mobile but didn't. Uh. He burns it
going through and then burns it coming back.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Well, and that's that that that may be the Uh
that may be the the quote I'm thinking of, doctor Mitcham,
but the the to me, you know, had had Grant
uh not decided to last second change and go to Jackson.
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Uh could Albert or not? Albert Sidney couldn't have because
he was dead? Uh? Could could Joseph E. Rallied enough
men to make a difference there to to fight at
the Big Black River? That's my question for you, doctor
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Mitchell Paul. What are you going to be doing at
the old Courthouse in Vicksburg? Are you going to be
blue or are you going to be gray? You know,
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I thought about going, but that's just gonna be way
too hot.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Hey, as one person told me a long time ago,
sometimes you gotta wear blue, but make yourself a good villain.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Well, the theme I think Brian Skipworth out of the
Vicksburg camp who's putting it on, is trying to get
it back on the cycle, so to speak. You know,
with this being sixty five, it would be a you know,
surrender sign of oath of allegiance type deal. And I just, uh, yeah,
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that was that was my thing. I was like, I
really don't feel like going to doing that. So that's
a little bit about the Battle Raymond. There's several good
books out there about it. As somebody mentioned earlier in
the comments, uh that there it is a one for
one gun line, at least on the Federal side and
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and the Confederate side as well. Raymond is a very
very lovely town to visit, no hotels. Closest thing you'll
probably get is Clinton or Vicksburg. It is very overlooked,
but it is a pivotal portion of of history. Of course.
You know, I didn't feel like going into Colonel mcgavick,
who led the Consolidated Tennessee unit, and you know his
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his mortal wounding and the eventual death. And of course
you know, if you recognize the name mcgavick, Uh, you
can't help but not think about mcgavock Cemetery up in
frank where that, of course, uh is. You know, we're
where a lot of the Confederate casualties are buried. That
was his home, uh before the war, So you know,
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the war would revisit the mcgavick family. Again. What just
happened their moose?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Uh, I'm just checking on something real quick, uh if
this will load, but.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You checking on their moose?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Uh, we might have a troll. I'm double checking someone's information.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Well, are you ready for National Reunion?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I'm not ready to get shot, if that's what we're asking.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
No, that's not what I was asking. I was asking,
if you're ready for National Reunion? Why do you always
have to go negative?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It was implanted in me these four years that I
spent being someone's aide de camp on the division level.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You need to smile, man, be happy for once.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I try, I try, but you know I'm enjoy life.
I'm excited for our two hundredth episode. We'll be celebrating
Thursday at National Reunion. Time and location still to be determined.
Someone asked if we were going to do it at
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seven because they were worried that they wouldn't have time
to go get food. Don't worry. That was just something
I put on the live stream to schedule it so
y'all could go ahead and set up your reminders. If
y'all aren't going.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, we will not be doing it, say and we
ourselves have to eat. So so that's that's gonna be
a firm note. It'll probably be around eight o'clock nine
at the absolute latest. What we what we may end
up doing UH is deose well and and again it's
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it's hard for us to do our post coverage live
streams because there's some things from the business meeting we
can't talk about.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Some things we can.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So what we may do for y'all who are in attendance.
We may play a live game of trivia.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
That would definitely be fun. I'm looking forward to it
because it's the first live episode with a live crowd,
of course, celebrating our two hundredth episode. I have something planned.
If we can get a lot of people in attendance
and a lot of people watching, UH, it will make
Connor happy. I came up with something kindor didn't like,
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so this next one it will make him happy. I
won't tell him what it is just yet, but I
know he'll agree to it because it is something that
he's probably been wanting to do for years. Okayback in
a sense. Oh no, well, it's either I do it
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as a gig or you do it as revenge.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
As a gig.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
You're not shaving, No, no, no, no, we've left that
one behind.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah. Good well.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I thought about it and I was like, by the
time we get to the views, I would want it
would probably be the middle of hunting season. And I'm
not shaving in the middle of hunting season. It's too
cold on that water. But I have come up with
something will either be a gag or you'll get to
do it with a smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Uh, you shouldn't be. It's payback. I'm giving you something
that I think you have wanted for a long time. Now, okay,
uh so.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Uh yeah, so, uh let's we're gonna go ahead and
do that. We're gonna go ahead and we're going to
team it up by divisions.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh now, that that would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think. I think Charles Array, uh, which I just
I heard. I heard a rumor that a certain certain
thing went out earlier to your cousin, Charles. See, if
you can't gather up some Loisyanas and Victor, gather up
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your Floridians.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, let's let's make this fun a good time. Celebrate
our two hundredth episode in style by uh buy two shirts.
I will be designing a two hundredth episode shirt if
you want one of those, or you can get one
of our regular T shirts. I want to see people
in showing their SCV chat pride if you will.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh uh, dang it. I meant to mention at the
at the at the top of the show, can you
pull up our patron.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yes, I can. Are you talking about our view or
the guest view? The guest view the all right, give
me a second, man.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
We have had several people ask how they can support
the ship, and we have a new tier that we built.
This tier is not your traditional tier, of course. You know,
if you want to as an individual, go ahead and
do ten dollars a month. We are more than thankful
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for it. That's yeah. We cannot thank enough for those
that want to help us without but for groups, businesses
things like that that would like to advertise here, we
have a brand new opportunity for y'all. We now have
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a sponsor tier. So if y'all are wanting to, yeah,
hold on, I will tell I gotta tell a funny
story about that doctor Mitchell. But if your camp or
if your business would like to run an advertisement, if
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you're an author and have a new book coming out,
eight dollars a month, which is roughly what ten dollars
an episode. Yes, yeah, so that's why we're not doing
the intro videos for a while we're working on doing
the UH as soon as we get some new sponsors
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in building their slide credits and things like that. So
that's why we're not doing that now. It was twenty eleven,
doctor Mitchell, and hey, that's that's really cool, Jeff. What
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so uh oh, and you can now pay annually and
say five percent instead of you know, the ten dollars
a month. So we're working on to where you can. Yeah,
so it'd be nine to fifty a month instead of
you know, ten dollars or yeah whatever. So all right,
so that's really cool, Jeff, I really like that that uh,
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you know, at the fundraiser at the Pee Wee Valley
last week up there in or excuse me, Kentucky somebody
who's wearing our shirts. All right, so, doctor Mitcham it
was twenty eleven. I had just literally graduated high school
the Thursday night before and we were doing an event
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at Champions Hill and it was that were dedicating a
historical marker and the Champion House, of course, is no
longer there. There is a church that stands where the
house once stood, and you can go back to what's
left of the Hill of Death from the church it's
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not much of the hill because it was hauled off
and used as field dirt. Anyway, while we're doing this event,
we have Weirdly enough, it's the only time as a
Confederate reenactor I've been actually outnumbered by Yankees. There were
like four Confederates. The rest of us hadn't showed up
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by the time the service started, and like sixteen or
seventeen Yankees. It being a local event, most people figured
they would come in, but it was a lot longer
of a drive than they were expecting. And as part
of the event, and of course, you know, it's all
the Federals on one side and the Confederates on another.
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And the lady gets up and she does a dramatic,
dramatic reading of Elizabeth Mead Ingram's diary and talking about
the Federals, and it was a letter that she had
written to George Gordon Mead, her brother of course, you know,
with the Gettysburgh fame, and talks about how they ransacked
her house and pillaged everything, and you know, also all
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that about her neighbors and stuff like that. My buddy
Charles Tucker, who at that point I hated, but he
wouldn't my buddy, yet gets up because all these guys
that are falling in with him are Mississippians and the
Louisiana's and nine percent of them are a s CV members,
so they're they're naturally standing there, the crowds looking at
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them like they had five heads, because you know, it's
like these Yankees, you know, came in, stole everything and
blah blah blah blah blah. And so he's he's standing there,
and so literally all he can do is he goes
up and he says, I would like to thank missus
Ingram for the hospitality she showed and like and mentioned
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the unit by mentioned the unit by name, and says,
I would like to uh thank missus Ingram for her
hospitality she showed me and the fifty fifty six Ohio
infantry when we stayed at her plantation. Three cheers for
missus Ingram. And of course, you know, all the reenactors
were like one you have and b uh that's the
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only way he could get the crowd to laugh. So
if you know Charles Tucker, you know what I'm talker about.
If you don't know Charles Stucker, you're missing out. So
when do you go on your little trip Muscie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So yes, yes, everybody, I I am going on my
first of two annual beach trips next week. So next
week you will not see me on Chat and look around.
It is one of the rare weeks where you won't
see me at least on one of them. I usually
appear on at least the Monday show or look Around, so.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Luckily for me, Nope, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Oh, Jason, well, we'll get you set up, Jason. You will, buddy,
get help Jason set up because I won't have any
Wi Fi on this trip.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
No I can. I can host look around, have done
it before?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Oh? Okay, yeah it'll uh.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
In fact, we if he's not busy. The newly elected
Division Commander of Mississippi and slash Colonel. Yeah, colonel, you
will actually be in a Jackson that day. So in
this same office that I'm in.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Which is, for those who don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
The Mississippi Division Headquarters office.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yay, so humble division brag.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
So uh probably gonna ay first.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Oh and I'm speaking out of camp tomorrow, God.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Bless Yeah, the Nathan Pepper Ports Camp out of Murdy, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yep. So if you're in the Meridian area. And you
want to hear me talk about social media and engaging
youth members in the s CV, you can tune in
and come to see me at that camp.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah uh, Forrest, and I may talk about one of
the resolutions we passed this past division reunion.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
That would be great. I will I will have to
catch it when I come back. As I said, I
won't have any Wi Fi this trip, but maybe once
a at one hour a day because I'm going on
a cruise for this year's beach trip, which was a
financial disaster but great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah well, I mean at least at least the foods included.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah yeah, well, Moose, my one poor episode was not
a broken poor college student for about a month. And
now that I've started paying for this trip, i haven't
got on the boat yet and I've already become once
again a broke, poor college student. Here we are full
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circle moment again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Well, it could be worse, but I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Will be enjoying it. So for those who need me,
I'm sorry. You probably won't get in touch with me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
What do you did Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Wednesday? I'm watching Look Around Florida. You are, that's right?
Look around Florida with Sean McFall has changed dates. It
is no longer on Tuesday, it is on Wednesdays. That's
something else we've got to find.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That's that's one reason why we're having to redo the
video opening videos because he changed the dates and having
to find those original graphics.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
It's been fun. So oh, I am enjoying being a
newsletter editor for my.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Camp newsletter editor and what else?
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
How much time do you have?
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I believe you're also serving as camp command.
Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yes, I'm camp commander, which means I'm in charge of
heritage operations and the newsletter and if any position becomes open,
I also have to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I don't y'all don't have it in your camp bylaws
where you can fill any positions.
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
There will be that position soon. Dad must have just
liked doing more and more stuff because he wrote the bylaws.
I'm gonna have a talk with him about that. I
was reading our camp bylaws after I got elected and said, Dad,
why is this this this here? He's like, oh, well,
you know, I just couldn't find anybody, so I just
(01:04:38):
thought i'd do it. And I was like, oh great,
thanks Dad. So yeah, there will be some camp bylaw
changes for the Samuh poke up and uh, by the way,
if y'all are just wanting to see some SUV news
from Mississippi, the fifth Brigade has a page now, so
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there some samelish self promotion from my brigade.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Hey, good job.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Hey, well I'm trying all right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Uh but who do you think was the best Confederate
journal in the Vicksbury campaign?
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Uh mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
It's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That is a very tough one. Let's let me think
and get back to it, because I mean it was
definitely not John C. Pemberton nor nor was it uh
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Joseph Egelson Johnston m So anyway, well, we'll enjoyed tonight's
little episode. Hope everybody had a happy Father's Day. We're
gonna go ahead and wrap it up here. We will
be Moose will be back on Thursday. Sean will be
back on Wednesday with Look around Florida. I'm sure David
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Pope is going to have something in the I don't
know if it be in the weekend of the.
Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Real quick the polls numbers are in.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Does Adam look like a velvet elvis?
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Six? Say?
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Now, hmm, Well, tragic day for Adam. Yeah, I think
it's more of a tragic day for both years.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
It is. It is a sad day for chat community
when one of our old members cannot look like velvet
Elvis anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Boers is probably gonna want to recount.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
He's gonna get mad and cross the little t Rex arms. Anyway,
all right, we're gonna wrap it up here. Hope you'll
have I hope you'll have a great rest of your week.
Thanks guys for tuning in up. Yeah, and the words
of the late and great Harold Philip Philipops no fumar
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in the elevator, no obla English ament
And I'm again it, I'm agin.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It, hey, before we get kicked off here, the views
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not theirs, not he's not she's just strictly ours, especially
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They could be thems.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You're really cool.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So for those that of y'all are following the SEV
chat page on Facebook, we do thank you. And if
you are not on our Patreon page, you should be
because I have the Patreon chat up tonight. Now. I'm
just saying that really quickly. No promises that I'll be
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of notes and things like that that we have to cover,
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not that we have to cover, but we're gonna cover
because you know, we're doing a historical talk episode, and
I will explain why we are doing doing a battle
in Mississippi that had very few to any Mississippians that
actually fought in it. Oh wow, it's a bunch of
Texans and Tennesseeans mostly and Greg, Yeah, there's Greg, which Greg.
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Let's see here is it Greg Johnson? Is it Greg Wilcox,
Greg John Greg? Okay John, Greg. It's gonna be one
of those nights anyway. So uh, trying to get a
picture that I put on our Facebook earlier for those
of y'all who are not on the Facebook, is.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
About our episode while you're at it, everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, so we Uh. For the past couple of years,
Jason beauch Shears has been saying that Adam Southern looks
like a velvet elvis. And yesterday I was at a
certain chick Chicken establishment that is open on Sundays and
lo and behold they had a velvet elvis. So Moss
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is gonna put a poll up on the YouTube and
asking do y'all think that the velvet elvis behind me
actually looks like Adam Southern, the executive director. A lot
of people say that you kind of squint at it
and turn upside down and look at it. Maybe it does,
maybe it doesn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
We report you decide.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Sent to the comments. See who's in tonight? Uh bye,
blah blah blah blah. Good evening. Wilford Owens and Andrew
and Kyle Thompson on Time, Well, I guess you're on time.
We kind of started a minute late. And then Ol
and Wes and Michael c. Hardy Good Evening, and then
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Floyd Harvey and Good Evening, Paul Gremming and Uh to
the mouton Camp Good evening, and Faversham to Carl. Uh
been meaning to call Carl the past couple of days,
but you know, life comes at you fast and then
you forget and next thing you know, you're on Live
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and having meant to call Karl.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Uh, you had that post, you got that thing up
yet almost, So yeah, apologize for last week not having
an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
We got to division reunion and I was a little
bit signessy going into it. And when we got there
Friday night, everything was going well. But we suddenly get
to Saturday morning and I'm asked, hey, and you run
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the business meeting as a division parliamentarian And I'm like sure,
and I did. And I'm also resolution chare for the
Misssippi Division and I like resolutions. I like resolutions a lot.
Resolutions are fun. They make me feel good. Well, anyway,
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we Uh get to the wonderful portion. I had to
read some I got a little bit verbose on a
couple of them and uh, reading them out loud killed
my voice, especially when the microphone died. And at the
very end of the business session, we had a member
who was hard of hearing, who, instead of sitting near
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the front, sat in the middle to the back of
the audience and kept saying we, you know, screaming, I
can't hear you, instead of moving up.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Can you say it louder for the people in the back.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, no, kidding, instead of moving up, which would be
the ply thing to do to any type of speaker.
So if you are part of hearing and you think
that you may, oh, I don't know, not be able
to hear an important portion of a business meeting, just
go ahead and sit near the front.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The poll is up by the way, everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So anyway, as I am standing there trying to scream
at the top of my lungs so that this gentleman
can hear me, I yeah. I of course had to
dip a snuff in, as per my usual, and it
went down the wrong windpipe. And I've had this happen before.
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It's happened before on this show. But the combination of
having to you know, throw my voice out and then
Saturday night at the banquet, we had our normal resolutions
that's what we do in Mississippi. The the thank the
camp for hosting, and the thank the ocr chapter for
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helping them, and the thanking this person and thanking that person.
The ones that really, you know, are are no brain passes.
We just handle those at the reunion as one of
the last items of business. So anyway, I had to
read the rest of the resolutions. Of course, we passed
one Adams supposed to be sending it to Don Barrett's
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widow on behalf of the division as well as to
the Alabama Division expressing our condolences and prayers in this
tough time. We had a past division commander pass away
like Wednesday, right before reunion. Uh so there's one we
had to get out to his family and then some
other stuff, so needless to say. And then on Sunday,
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of course, being up in northeast Mississippi, we had to
stop at Shiloh and the girlfriend this was her and
I hope she's watching. This was her real first taste
of the STV and she had a great time. And
you know, I was talking about my ancestor, Captain Nathan W.
Sleigh at that point Sergeant Nathan W. Sleigh and you
know where we assumed he was shot and wounded at
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and you know, just based on some accounts that we've
been able to find. And uh, at that point, I
was completely voiceless and could not get above a whisper
on Monday, and then had a mandatory meeting at work
on Tuesday, and then now my voice is mostly back,
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so it was legit.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Like, uh, so we accidentally ran into Connor uh Sunday.
We just wanted to go by in uh Shiloh and
see the Mississippi Monument before we left, and Connor gets
out of the car and we were like what what, Hey,
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what'd you say? Because I mean, we're all the way
up here and so we honestly couldn't hear mcconnor. Just
finally does I said, I hate you.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was it was literally when I had that mandatory
meeting on Tuesday, I would talk, get three words out
and then completely is like go out. So I was
having to like hold my vocal cords in order to
get a get a word out. So yeah, that's that's
gonna be. Oh, Kyle, I hate I'm going to miss
your multi camp tour at Shiloh this Saturday. I'm gonna
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be at the Nathan Bedford Forest Boyhood home coming. Are
you going Moose?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Oh, goody goody? Uh we may go live, we probably
won't though, I'm not sure how the cell phone service
in that area is. So. Anyway, hope all of you
guys had a great Father's Day yesterday. Father's Day and
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what you do for your dad yesterday?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Mass Well, I actually got him a nice gift, so.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So Saturday, I took him to see our my favorite
movie in his in Diana Jones Movie and Nana Jones
and The Last Crusade, and I did pay for which
I think shocked him to his core.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
He even gave me the money after, like I was
a kid that was paying for something to feel important.
And I was like, no, Dad, I'm actually paying for
this for you. And I still don't think he understood.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He didn't know to do with his hands, or he
really didn't know what to do his hands.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
He's the whole drive back.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's like, so you don't want my money.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I was like, no, Dad, it was a Father's Day gift.
He's like, I don't understand. And I was like, Okay,
maybe I need to start buying more stuff from my father.
And then I was hoping I would get this in time,
and I got it the day before Father's Day. But
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I nominated my father for the honorary title of Kentucky Colonel.
He won, and I presented that to him on Father's
Day yesterday, along with a limited edition recreation of the
first ever Duck Commander Duck Call. And I actually surprised him.
I don't think I've ever surprised my father. I think
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he knows who I am that well that he can
guess what I'm going to get him most years. And yes,
I was able to get him the title of Kentucky colonel.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, does that mean he's gonna start Ryan Chicken? Yes,
that is a cool thing. I'm glad that Kentucky still does.
Mississippi got rid of our colonels sometimes in the seventies
or eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, they're only an appointed position that lasts as long
as the current governor's in office. So say, if you
were given that title under Tate reeves, it goes away
permanently after he gets out of office. The Kentucky colonel thing,
which is why I went for the Kentucky. Colonel one
is a life of honorary title, so for all his
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craps and good he won't because he's a Navy man.
But he could go buy colonel dolls if he wanted to,
and I highly am trying to make him do that
at the school. Yes, are Are the Mississippi Division commander
is now a colonel.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, I was only a major when I was. At
least some are re enacted battalion.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So Father's Day for the past six years has been
kind of weird for me, mainly because my dad's dead.
But I have been going through some of his files
which got mixed in with the division files, trying to
find and trying to separate the stuff out. And I
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found his notes on the Battle of Raymond, which is
a very interesting little battle back during the nineteen nineties.
So like when I was you know, baby, baby baby, Uh.
The Army War College every summer used to bring their
are there one of their classes down here, and they
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learned the Vicksburg Campaign, of course, studying Grant's version of
the Vicksburg Campaign, or at least that's what that's what
the Army War College was teaching how to survive, subsist
off the land without a basis supply and within enemy territory.
And uh my dad actually was an adjunct professor for that.
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Uh and he taught uh the Battle of Raymond and
the Battle of Champions Hill.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hmm, Sorry, I was answering, Andrew, you go to the
back gate. Yeah, yeah, we don't use the front gate anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Back gate. Yeah, call one N hundred myself, ask for
air pavetting and he'll give you step a step directions. Yes,
he's not here to defend himself, so.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
We are nominating him for that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah. So anyway, we uh so that's what we're gonna
talk about tonight, kind of in memory of my father,
call one hundred myself. All right, there you go, thank
you in there. Kind of it memory my father and
Forefather's Day. My dad's second favorite talk, his first favorite
talk was on a Mississippi Confederate general that I have
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not found his notes on and haven't had to uh
uh check on is another another word, Adams. Uh, I
haven't been able to do that, but I will eventually
revive that talk of his. So instead we're gonna talk
about the Battle of Raymond. Raymond also has a very
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special place because that is where my sister lives. And
one day, if the Good Lord is willing and I'm
able to retire, I shall retire out to Raymond, and
is still a sleepy little town in central Mississippi. So
you're ready, miss, ready to learn some stuff?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh? I'm always ready to learn you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What type of pet is it? What type of what
the plant starts with the sea? Not all? Not? No,
the one you're getting of Jason.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Oh, it's a mm hmm chia pet. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
He did learn something, all right? So why Raymond? Why
is Raymond so important? And why is Raymond in my opinion,
at least one of the or the pivotal turning point
in the war between the states. To start it, we
first have to set the scene. Uh it is eighteen Well,
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let's just let's just go ahead and and Raymond for
those let me see if I can pull up a map? Oh,
really quickly? Do do do?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
So y'all can kind of get an idea.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
And that's not gonna work. Like I said, it has
been a very interesting couple of days. Image in you
tap all right, you cannot share the tab from my computer?
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Can you?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Lovely.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can send me in the link and I can
pull it up on mine.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I already got it pulled up. Let me close that out,
all right. So this is the great and sovereign state
of Mississippi. They're in the center ish of the state.
You should see where Highway fifty five and I twenty
intersect a star with Jackson, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Everybody see that, yea?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You see that moves all right right about where the
sea is, or in between the C and the A,
and a little bit under there is a blank spot,
and that is roughly the town of Raymond is right
in there. Raymond is a very small small town population
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it The town would have died if it wasn't for
Hans Community College. The population of the town of Raymond
is one thousand, eight hundred and eighty one. That and
the Hans Community College and the fact that it is
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one of two county seats for Hans County. But that's
not why it's important for the war between the states,
or at least in today's study. So if you notice
over to the west of Jackson, follow I twenty like
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you're heading towards Louisiana, you will see that there is
another town under the number that says sixty one. I
don't know if you have seen our cursor or not,
but it is called Vicksburg. Now. Vicksburg is a city
on a set of hills or cliffs bluffs, if you will.
That the Confederacy immediately realized was very important. And during
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the War between the States, there was a rail line
that ran from Vicksburg all the way across the state,
with the exception of one little spot Jackson was missing
it in fully connect but it was a major rail line. Also,
if you notice here, Mississippi is bounded or boundaried by
the Mississippi River. If you remember back to your history.
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In eighteen sixty two, New Orleans has fallen and Memphis
fell as well in eighteen sixty three. Vicksburg and Port
Hudson are the only two major defensible positions on the
river that were still in Confederate hands. As I said,
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Vicksburg loomed over the Missippi River like a gray fortress.
It's bluffs bristling with cannons, a bulwark of Confederate hope.
In the War between the States, the river was the
South's lifeline, sippy river carrying men, grain, and cattle, from Texas, Louisiana,
and Arkansas to the Eastern Heartland railroad stretch from Vicksburg
to Jackson, a web of iron knitting the Confederacy together
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and again reminding everyone that Memphis fell in June of
sixty two in New Orleans and April sixty two, Vicksburg
stood as one of the last bastions on the Mississippi,
the nailhead holding the South's halves together. Its loss would
cut the Confederacy in half. In autumn of eighteen sixty two,
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Federal General Ulysses S. Grant whit cast his eyes on Vicksburg,
launching a campaign that stumbled through fire and mire. His
first thrust sent roughly forty thousand Blue coats south along
the Mississippi Central Railroad from Tennessee, aiming to crush General
John Pimperton's Confederates and seize Jackson and Vicksburg. He eventually
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set up a supply depot in Holly Springs, Mississippi, and
his wagon trail or his supply lines went all the
way back to Tennessee. On December twentieth, though of eighteen
sixty two, Earl Van Dorn's cavalry struck and raided Holly
Springs and torched roughly one and a half million dollars
in federal stores and scattered and capturing roughly fifteen hundred prisoners.
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Grant's army was gutted and it limped back to Memphis.
The campaign was a smoldered ruin. Grant later recalled, I
believe in his memoirs and I'm paraphrasing here that I
had nothing but to do but retreat back to Memphis.
He had no way to supply his army. He was
not living off the land at this point. Meanwhile, while
Grant's getting his butt kicked in North Mississippi, William decomps
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of Sherman, who steamed down the Yazu River with roughly
thirty thousand men, eyeing Chickasaw bay Us Bluffs north of Vicksburg,
and on December twenty ninth, they charged through the swamps,
only to be cut down by Stephen D. Lee's and
Trent's Confederates. The Blue Coats fell like wheat, losing roughly
seventeen seventy six men to the Confederates two hundred and seven.
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The idea that Grant had for the Central Mississippi Railroad
campaign is that he would start operating north of Vicksburg
and it would cause John C. Pemberton to pull his
army or most of his army out of the city
and go fight Grant. Meanwhile, while Grant is fighting Pemberton,
Sherman would come through the Bayous to the north and
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capture the city, maybe a small battle with whatever Pemberton left,
but you know, while the major armies out. And of
course it didn't work. Winter brought Grant's next gambit. He
began thinking on what to do, and he began, excuse
me that spring with the Bayou Expedition. If you're looking
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for a book on the Bayou Expedition, let me recommend
my favorite of Larry's books or his either his first
one about the Azu Pass or the newest one. Uh
that's planes, trains, automobiles and uh gunboats by us and
something else. But Larry has those books, mcluney, does. I
think they're at headquarters for sale. If not, just reach
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out to mclooney, uh, past Commander in chief mclooney, and
he'll be happy to sell you one. I like the
first one better because I mentioned in the forward, and
I'm happy to autograph that page that I mentioned on
for you. Anyway, the Bayou Expedition uh To to put
in a nutshell, Grant blew the levees and tried to
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flood the Yazoo and Tallahatchie rivers and be able to
sell down. Uh. Pemberton had already pre entrenched at certain
areas like Greenwood, Mississippi, where the Yazoo and Tallahatchie me
I believe it's the Yazoo and Talahatchie meat and uh
they built for Pemberton there, and as the federal flotilla
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came down, they had sunk a ship called the Star
of the West in the middle of the river and
literally bottlenecked of the river and they could not proceed.
So Grant had failed. Grant's running out of ideas. He's tried,
He's tried two attempts from the north uh to to
capture the city, and he realizes that he can't. He
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doesn't want to try to go down south because again, Vick,
let me ask a question, Harrison, is it easier to
go upriver or downriver in a boat down? Yes, And
that's what his big fear was. If he was to
go south, then he would have to you know, float
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float down the river. And there's no guarantee that his
h that the fleet, the Brown Water Navy would be
able to move back forward and uh move back upstream
and help with his advance. Uh, he would be behind,
you know, enemy lines, without a line of communication or
without a lot of supplies. But Grant decides that's the
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only thing that he can do. And he also thinks
that it is so daring that the Confederates won't think
of it to keep Uh. Well, let me ask you
another question, Harrison. During the war, what branch of the
army was known as the eyes of the army.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Scouts?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh, calvary. But yeah, we'll go ahead and give you
that thank you half credit. Grant knows that you know
that the South has does have great cavaliers, and he
does know that he's about to be operating deep in
an enemy territory. So he orders a certain Colonel Benjamin
Grierson to take seventeen hundred cavalrymen from Lagrange, Tennessee and
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do a six hundred mile raid, slashing railroads and burning
bridges all the way to Baton Rouge. And it's Grant's
hope that that look excuse not Lagrange that Grierson will
continue to be in just just far enough out of
the way from Confederate calvary that a he won't get captured,
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but b that it will draw all the Confederate cavalry off.
That Pemberton will begin freaking out, and he will see
that as a as the main attacking force, and he
will focus send this cavalry out there and focus in
on that. And it works. And that's exactly what Pemberton does.
He sends all this cavalry and stuff out. Meanwhile, Grant
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marches his army down the Louisiana side of the river
and they cross at Bruinsburg, which is just around Port Gibson.
That is roughly around May first, eighteen sixty three. If
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you want to be very technical about it. Grant's column
they were McPherson was first. Well I'm getting ahead of
myself anyway. It was the grandest amphibious landing that America
has ever seen until d Day. There you go. However,
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the Federal army begins crossing on May thirtieth, May first,
though at Port Gibson, thirty miles south of Vicksburg. John
Bowen has six thousand Confederates, mostly Missourians, Arkansas, Arkansas and Alabamians,
and they begin putting up a fight again. Six thousand men.
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If you've never been to the area that the Battle
of Port Gibson was fought upon, it is very ravening. Uh,
there's a lot of ravines, cane breaks, bushes, brambles. I mean,
it's you wanna. I often say that Shiloh is the
one of the better preserved battlefields where you can get
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an idea of what it was kind of like there
as far as the topography goes. But Port Gibson is
definitely one. Nobody has tried clearing out those cane brakes.
Only difference now is the addition of kudzoo into things.
Of course, you know that one brought on until after
World War Two. Anyway, those six thousand men are able
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to hold back mcclernet's twenty three thousand Federals for about
seventeen hours, and they can completely bottleneck the Federal army.
And of course Bowen sends word back to Pemberton, Hey,
this is this is it that you forget the faint,
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forget the cavalry that's you know, going and destroying railroads
and stuff. This is the real deal right here. As
far as casualties, the statistics go of the six thousand
Bowen UH suffered sixty eight dead, three hundred and eighty wounded,
and three hundred and thirty nine lost as compared to
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the Federals who had eight hundred and seventy five casualties.
And at this point, as Bowen falls back, the road
to central Mississippi is open now. Grant had originally been
looking at maps and things like that planning the campaign,
and he knew that Jackson was a major rail hub
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for supplies and things like that as well as reinforcements.
Grant did not want to it is my belief and
I believe it has been proved by many other historians.
Originally did not want to go and attack Jackson. His
original idea was to attack a place called Edward Station,
which is really close to Edward's Mississippi. While he thinks
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about doing that, he begins planning his line of march.
And his men are trying, as are not trying, but
they are subsistent sting off of the local agriculture, of
the local farm stores and things like that. Other than
you know, a couple of local home guards scouting type things.
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The Calvary has not gotten back. Pemberton is a very
cautious general. You have to remember that Pemberton. And I'm
sure doctor Sandy Mitcham is typing something in here about Pemberton,
isn't he?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, what I call bow in the Stonewall, Mississippi. Sorry,
I'm getting caught up on the chat. Let me get
back on here anyway. Grant continues to move up, and
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he begins to fan his men out in a line
of march. On May twelfth, eighteen sixty three, so this
is a couple. A couple of days later, Raymond's Pond
and Oak Country became a crucible fire. Fourteen mile Creek,
a shallow stream with steep banks, snake through a wooded ravine.
It's crossing on the Unica Road, rising some three hundred
yards to a northern ridge. Cotton Fields and dense woods
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choked with vionds and stumps flank the valley, hiding pitfalls
in thick underbrush. The heat of the ninety degree earth
turned canteens into treasures, and here at Raymond, a brigade
consisting of three thousand to four thousand Texans and Tennesseeans
stood against James B. McPherson's ten thousand, seventeenth Corps in
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a clash of Southern grid against Federal might. So to
give us a little bit of prelude about the battle.
As Grant is moving up, Pemberton is thinking that Grant
is going to immediately march up and attack Vicksburg. But
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he's still getting reports that Grant is moving more or inland.
So he dispatches Greg greg who had been originally at
Port Hudson and sent north as reinforcements to Jackson. To
Josephe Johnston, who was on his way there, is ordered
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by Pemberton to move to Raymond and hopes of intercepting
a unit or excuse me, at federal unit rumored to
be at Utica. Both at Greg and Pemberton believed that
the Federal forces was there in the area was only
a single brigade which would have numbered about fifteen hundred men.
In reality, the force was McPherson's entire court again ten
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to twelve thousand men. They expected that the Federals would
attack at the Big Black River and then go to Vicksburg.
I cannot make that clear enough. And Pemberton believed that
any movements towards Jackson via Raymond were simply feints, and
it was his orders, or his orders to Greg were
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to fall back to Jackson if Union troops pushed or
excuse me, Federal troops pushed through Raymond, but to attack
the rear of Grant's line if the Federal army pivoted
towards the Big Black Again. He's assuming that there's just
one brigade that's coming up towards Raymond. Capture, you know,
defeat and capture that brigade. Find out where the Federal
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Army is about to hit the Big Black River, and
when they do, we want you to hit him from
the rear and keep harassing them. Good in theory, but
not in reality. Greg and his men actually reached Raymond
on May the eleventh, expecting to find Colonel Adams's Confederate
Calvary in the town. However, Adams's men were to conduct reconnaissance. However,
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then we found a small command of forty Calvary men,
mainly young locals, and a separate five man detachment. Greg
sent the Calvary down the road towards Utica, keeping the
five men as for courier service, and they sent messages
two Atoms telling him to bring his force to Raiment.
The unexpected lack of calvary at Raymond may have been
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due to Adams's misunderstanding a poorly written order from Pemberton.
Adams later did send a unit of fifty additional calvaryman
to a Greg, and they arrived that night. On the
morning of May twelfth, the scouting force reported approaching Union
soldiers and Greg, still anticipating only a union of Federal brigade,
prepared for a battle with forces number and around three
thousand to four thousand men. The scouts had been unable
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to provide an accurate account of Federal strength, believing that
he could only that he could easily defeat the approaching
enemy force, Greg responded very, very, very aggressive. As dawn
broke on the hot and still day of May twelfth,
the air thick with promise of blood, Federal cavalry leading
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McPherson's column, trotted down the Unica Road probing for resistance.
Hiram Grandberry, who a very interesting reed, had placed skirmishers forward,
and they had opened fired at the Federal cavalry at
about one hundred yards, surprising the Blue Horsemen Rifles cracked
and the Federals fell back, startled to find confederates. So
Bold a Scalp galloped to the Southern commander, reporting twenty
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five hundred to three thousand blue coats, likely an overestimate,
confirming the belief that he faced a mere brigade. Bledsoe's
guns and that's a Federal battery began getting out into line.
Dang it, I hate typing this thing, Albuquerque, Yeah, me too,
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but the Bloodsoe's guns eventually got into line and began
firing out at the advancing Federal troops, and the Union
artillery began firing as well. Excuse me, Bludsoe was Confederate.
My bat him got a little bit of a headache
right now. Which side opened the battle is not known.
Smoke from the fire and cloud of the air and
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reduced effective of both sides artillery. Around nine am, McPherson
realized that the Confederates in front of his force represented
more than just skirmishers, and he began deploying for a
lot of battle. McPherson used Calvary to cover his flanks
and brought the brigade of General Elias Dennis's brigade of
four regiments to the front. Six cannons of the eighth
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Michigan Light Artillery were brought up to dual Blotsoe's battery.
Dennis's men forced the Confederates back and sent a skirmish
line across the creek. The third Ohio Battery also arrived
on the scene, strengthening the Federal line, which has which
now had a twelve to three advantage in artillery. Twelve
to three advantage in artillery. I wouldn't want to be there.
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Union Brigadier General John E. Smith's five regiment Brigade of
Logan's sixty five hundred man Division arrived and attacked the
Confederate line. Of Smith's regiments, only the twenty third Indiana
Infantry was successfully able to cross the creek, and the
others became bogged down in the heavy undergrowth near the creek.
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Any questions so.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Far, I don't think so. I don't see any from
the crowd either.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Seeing the Federals were funneled on the Unica Road, the
Southern commander tightened his line for attack. The seventh Texas
and third Tennessee would strike in echelon. And for those
who don't remember what in echelon means think back to
the bourgard art, not the Borguard talk. God forgive me
the bark still talk, where it's like a row of
dominoes of the one regiment would walk off, and then
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the next regiment would step off after they took so
many paces forward. The idea to string out the federal
line while the fiftieth Tennessee and the tenth and thirtieth
Tennessee consolidated would swing off the gallat road. Did the
federal right, aiming to capture McPherson's guns before they silence bloodshots.
Grand Beary's Texans smashed into the twentieth and sixty eighth Ohio,
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the former holding the latter, breaking for the rear. The
third Tennessee drove the twenty third Indiana back across the creek,
shifting southeast to threaten the forty fifth Illinois. The Federal
line buckled, but Logan rode through the smoke. General Logan Federal, shouting,
for God's sake, don't disgrace your country. His voice rallied
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the blue coats. McPherson green as a core commander, overestimated
his southern foes. The forty first Tennessee moved up from reserve,
but heavy smoke and dust blinded the Confederates to the
Federal strength. John D. D. Stevenson's brigade, held back by
dust clouds, now advanced two regiments, bolstering Dennis's and Smith's
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Federal brigades, shoring up the Union right and foiling the
Confederate flank attack. The fiftieth Tennessee fired early, losing surprise
and fell back without telling the tenth and thirtieth Consolidated,
which weighted idle, stalling the flanking move. The twentieth Illinois counterattack,
driving the seventh Texas back, splitting it summed to the
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first Tennessee battalion and the others to the tenth and
the thirtieth Consolidated Tennessee. The lines religned. The Federals held
one hundred and twenty five yards east of the bridge,
firing north. Confederates held one hundred yards around a creek
bend firing south. The third Tennessee, expected cover from the fiftieth,
took fire from the thirty first Illinois on its explosed flank.
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Four Federal regiments counter attacked after forty five minutes, only
to be checked by the forty first Tennessee. Chaos reigned
in the undergrowth, smoke choking the air. Units fighting as
scattered bands. At one point, thirty Marcellus M. Coker's brigade
under John B. Sandberg arrived, supporting Logan's left. Two more
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regiments joined Smith and Stevenson, though deemed unneeded and held
in reserve. The fiftieth and tenth and thirtieth Tennessee prepared
to advance, but Broke contacked the latter, shifting right, leaving
a gap with the forty first four to twenty four
pound howitzers from Battery d first Illinois Light Artillery strengthened
the federal barrage. McPherson's twenty two guns twenty two cannons
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pounded the Confederates. The Yanks for forcing across the creek.
Clashing with the fiftieth Tennessee and the tenth and thirtieth
exposed charged the seventh Missouri US, its commander falling early.
The Tennesseeans drove the Missourians back with the thirty first
Illinois rallied rally and rallied Missourians halted them, repulsing a
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Federal push. The Confederate commander, unaware of that the fiftieth
had unaware. The fiftieth held his left, shifted the forty
first there while the fiftieth moved right, swapping places. The
Federal numbers telling retreat loomed. The first Tennessee battalion feigned
an attack on Croker's men, covering the seventh Texas and
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third ten Seeds withdrawal. The bluff work the blue coat.
It's being falling back. The tenth and thirtieth attacked on
excuse me, attacked an Ohio regiment, only to be driven off.
The fiftieth Tennessee covered the unicu robe retreat or perhaps
suit the Gallaton Road. Six companies. The third Kentucky Mounted
Infantry arrived, aiding of the withdrawal. By four the Confederate
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streamed through Raymond towards Jackson, halting in the woods near
a cemetery. Joined by one thousand men under W. H. T. Walker,
They left five hundred and fourteen behind, twenty five dead,
two hundred ninety nine wounded, and one hundred and eighty
six missing, as compared to the federals four hundred and
forty two losses. Ward Adams's cavalry scattered by Bererson's raid
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offered little help except for the five troopers at the
start and fifty arriving later. There scouts a harried Federal
flank post flanks post battle and continued being a stinging defiance.
Federal soldiers inner Raymond and devoured fried ship and lemonade
prepared for the Confederates by the townspeople, the women of
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the town. Again hearing what Greg believed that this would
be a small, little affair, that it would be a
small battle, and comparatively to other battlefields, it was rather small.
But they had prepared a picnic for the Southern boys
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when as they came home, and of course the Yankees
took advantage of it. Now, as the dust settled and
the Confederates were treated back into Jackson, Grant began having
his captured prisoners interrogated and interpreted. And this is where
I believe, and so did my father and several other historians,
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that the war between the States changed. If you remember,
at the beginning of this little talk, grants original plan
was to move up to Edward Station and cut the
rail line there. However, remember where Greg and his men
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had just come from the night before, they'd come through Jackson,
right Harrison yeah, all right, who was in Jackson? Joseph E. Johnston.
Johnston had been sent down to Jackson by President Davis
to raise reinforcements to help with the siege or help
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with the battle for Vicksburg, ninesster of the siege. They
didn't know it was going to be a siege. As
Grant is is getting reports from these captured prisoners that
they had just been in Jackson that Johnston is in Jackson,
are raising a force in Jackson. Grant then decides, and
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I believe in his memoirs that he wrote that he'd
always planned to go to Jackson, but I believe it
was that night in Raymond, Mississippi, that he decided that
he would then go to Jackson, either defeat Joseph Johnston
or cause Johnston to retreat, secure his line of retreat,
and then move following the railroad into Vicksburg and then
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too Edwardson. Had he not had he went immediately to
Edwards and advanced on the Big Black River as originally planned,
And of course that was Pemberton's hope as well, that
he would go and at that point move on to
the Big Black River, because the Confederates were on the
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others the Vicksburg side of the river, Grant would have
been potentially caught between two armies, and who knows what
would have happened then. However, Grant decides that he would
pivot and head to Jackson, and a couple days later
Jackson would burn for the first of four times.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
First of four, I thought it was three, So that four?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
No, he all right, so the first time uh there Uh.
Then after the uh cig of Vicksburg, of course, you know, well,
let's I'll get back to that.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
After they burned it, they moved to Clinton. They tear
up the rail lines there. Uh, that's where it's reported
that the first Sherman necktie was made. They then moved
into Edwards, where Pemberton was waiting outside of a small community,
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uh a near Baker's Creek, where there was a family
named Champions that lived there. And of course their house
was on the hill and they owned the hill and
Champions Hill, which I believe it was. Winston Churchill said
that the drums of uh Champions Hills sounded the doom
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doom of Richmond. I think that it was actually the
drums of the shots of Raymond, sound of the doom
of Richmond. The Confederate army was broken. About a third
of it was able to escape and get with Joe Johnston.
The other third fought a big Black river, and then
of course went into the entrenchments at Vicksburg. Grant launched
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an assault there. They were horribly defeated, and then he
began setting up the siege, and of course, on July fourth,
eighteen sixty three, we ended up surrendering the city. And
by that point Johnston was in the was beginning to
move on Grant's rear, but it was too little, too late,
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and he even said, I believe I've arrived too late,
and no kid, he retreats back into Jackson, and then
there's the Siege of Jackson. As the Confederate Army pulls
out of Jackson and Sherman's Corps captures that they burned
it again. Then in this winter of eighteen sixty four,
during the Meridian Expedition, which was Sherman's practice march to
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the where he marched from Vicksburg to Meridian, originally going
to go to Mobile but didn't. Uh. He burns it
going through and then burns it coming back.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Well, and that's that that that may be the Uh
that may be the the quote I'm thinking of, doctor Mitcham,
but the the to me, you know, had had Grant
uh not decided to last second change and go to Jackson.
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Uh could Albert or not? Albert Sidney couldn't have because
he was dead? Uh? Could could Joseph E. Rallied enough
men to make a difference there to to fight at
the Big Black River? That's my question for you, doctor
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Mitchell Paul. What are you going to be doing at
the old Courthouse in Vicksburg? Are you going to be
blue or are you going to be gray? You know,
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I thought about going, but that's just gonna be way
too hot.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Hey, as one person told me a long time ago,
sometimes you gotta wear blue, but make yourself a good villain.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Well, the theme I think Brian Skipworth out of the
Vicksburg camp who's putting it on, is trying to get
it back on the cycle, so to speak. You know,
with this being sixty five, it would be a you know,
surrender sign of oath of allegiance type deal. And I just, uh, yeah,
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that was that was my thing. I was like, I
really don't feel like going to doing that. So that's
a little bit about the Battle Raymond. There's several good
books out there about it. As somebody mentioned earlier in
the comments, uh that there it is a one for
one gun line, at least on the Federal side and
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and the Confederate side as well. Raymond is a very
very lovely town to visit, no hotels. Closest thing you'll
probably get is Clinton or Vicksburg. It is very overlooked,
but it is a pivotal portion of of history. Of course.
You know, I didn't feel like going into Colonel mcgavick,
who led the Consolidated Tennessee unit, and you know his
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his mortal wounding and the eventual death. And of course
you know, if you recognize the name mcgavick, Uh, you
can't help but not think about mcgavock Cemetery up in
frank where that, of course, uh is. You know, we're
where a lot of the Confederate casualties are buried. That
was his home, uh before the war, So you know,
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the war would revisit the mcgavick family. Again. What just
happened their moose?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Uh, I'm just checking on something real quick, uh if
this will load, but.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You checking on their moose?
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Uh, we might have a troll. I'm double checking someone's information.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Well, are you ready for National Reunion?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I'm not ready to get shot, if that's what we're asking.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
No, that's not what I was asking. I was asking,
if you're ready for National Reunion? Why do you always
have to go negative?
Speaker 1 (50:04):
It was implanted in me these four years that I
spent being someone's aide de camp on the division level.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
You need to smile, man, be happy for once.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I try, I try, but you know I'm enjoy life.
I'm excited for our two hundredth episode. We'll be celebrating
Thursday at National Reunion. Time and location still to be determined.
Someone asked if we were going to do it at
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seven because they were worried that they wouldn't have time
to go get food. Don't worry. That was just something
I put on the live stream to schedule it so
y'all could go ahead and set up your reminders. If
y'all aren't going.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, we will not be doing it, say and we
ourselves have to eat. So so that's that's gonna be
a firm note. It'll probably be around eight o'clock nine
at the absolute latest. What we what we may end
up doing UH is deose well and and again it's
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it's hard for us to do our post coverage live
streams because there's some things from the business meeting we
can't talk about.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Some things we can.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
So what we may do for y'all who are in attendance.
We may play a live game of trivia.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
That would definitely be fun. I'm looking forward to it
because it's the first live episode with a live crowd,
of course, celebrating our two hundredth episode. I have something planned.
If we can get a lot of people in attendance
and a lot of people watching, UH, it will make
Connor happy. I came up with something kindor didn't like,
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so this next one it will make him happy. I
won't tell him what it is just yet, but I
know he'll agree to it because it is something that
he's probably been wanting to do for years. Okayback in
a sense. Oh no, well, it's either I do it
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as a gig or you do it as revenge.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
As a gig.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
You're not shaving, No, no, no, no, we've left that
one behind.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah. Good well.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I thought about it and I was like, by the
time we get to the views, I would want it
would probably be the middle of hunting season. And I'm
not shaving in the middle of hunting season. It's too
cold on that water. But I have come up with
something will either be a gag or you'll get to
do it with a smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Uh, you shouldn't be. It's payback. I'm giving you something
that I think you have wanted for a long time. Now, okay,
uh so.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Uh yeah, so, uh let's we're gonna go ahead and
do that. We're gonna go ahead and we're going to
team it up by divisions.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Oh now, that that would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think. I think Charles Array, uh, which I just
I heard. I heard a rumor that a certain certain
thing went out earlier to your cousin, Charles. See, if
you can't gather up some Loisyanas and Victor, gather up
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your Floridians.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, let's let's make this fun a good time. Celebrate
our two hundredth episode in style by uh buy two shirts.
I will be designing a two hundredth episode shirt if
you want one of those, or you can get one
of our regular T shirts. I want to see people
in showing their SCV chat pride if you will.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Oh uh, dang it. I meant to mention at the
at the at the top of the show, can you
pull up our patron.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yes, I can. Are you talking about our view or
the guest view? The guest view the all right, give
me a second, man.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
We have had several people ask how they can support
the ship, and we have a new tier that we built.
This tier is not your traditional tier, of course. You know,
if you want to as an individual, go ahead and
do ten dollars a month. We are more than thankful
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for it. That's yeah. We cannot thank enough for those
that want to help us without but for groups, businesses
things like that that would like to advertise here, we
have a brand new opportunity for y'all. We now have
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a sponsor tier. So if y'all are wanting to, yeah,
hold on, I will tell I gotta tell a funny
story about that doctor Mitchell. But if your camp or
if your business would like to run an advertisement, if
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you're an author and have a new book coming out,
eight dollars a month, which is roughly what ten dollars
an episode. Yes, yeah, so that's why we're not doing
the intro videos for a while we're working on doing
the UH as soon as we get some new sponsors
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in building their slide credits and things like that. So
that's why we're not doing that now. It was twenty eleven,
doctor Mitchell, and hey, that's that's really cool, Jeff. What
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so uh oh, and you can now pay annually and
say five percent instead of you know, the ten dollars
a month. So we're working on to where you can. Yeah,
so it'd be nine to fifty a month instead of
you know, ten dollars or yeah whatever. So all right,
so that's really cool, Jeff, I really like that that uh,
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you know, at the fundraiser at the Pee Wee Valley
last week up there in or excuse me, Kentucky somebody
who's wearing our shirts. All right, so, doctor Mitcham it
was twenty eleven. I had just literally graduated high school
the Thursday night before and we were doing an event
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at Champions Hill and it was that were dedicating a
historical marker and the Champion House, of course, is no
longer there. There is a church that stands where the
house once stood, and you can go back to what's
left of the Hill of Death from the church it's
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not much of the hill because it was hauled off
and used as field dirt. Anyway, while we're doing this event,
we have Weirdly enough, it's the only time as a
Confederate reenactor I've been actually outnumbered by Yankees. There were
like four Confederates. The rest of us hadn't showed up
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by the time the service started, and like sixteen or
seventeen Yankees. It being a local event, most people figured
they would come in, but it was a lot longer
of a drive than they were expecting. And as part
of the event, and of course, you know, it's all
the Federals on one side and the Confederates on another.
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And the lady gets up and she does a dramatic,
dramatic reading of Elizabeth Mead Ingram's diary and talking about
the Federals, and it was a letter that she had
written to George Gordon Mead, her brother of course, you know,
with the Gettysburgh fame, and talks about how they ransacked
her house and pillaged everything, and you know, also all
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that about her neighbors and stuff like that. My buddy
Charles Tucker, who at that point I hated, but he
wouldn't my buddy, yet gets up because all these guys
that are falling in with him are Mississippians and the
Louisiana's and nine percent of them are a s CV members,
so they're they're naturally standing there, the crowds looking at
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them like they had five heads, because you know, it's
like these Yankees, you know, came in, stole everything and
blah blah blah blah blah. And so he's he's standing there,
and so literally all he can do is he goes
up and he says, I would like to thank missus
Ingram for the hospitality she showed and like and mentioned
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the unit by mentioned the unit by name, and says,
I would like to uh thank missus Ingram for her
hospitality she showed me and the fifty fifty six Ohio
infantry when we stayed at her plantation. Three cheers for
missus Ingram. And of course, you know, all the reenactors
were like one you have and b uh that's the
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only way he could get the crowd to laugh. So
if you know Charles Tucker, you know what I'm talker about.
If you don't know Charles Stucker, you're missing out. So
when do you go on your little trip Muscie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So yes, yes, everybody, I I am going on my
first of two annual beach trips next week. So next
week you will not see me on Chat and look around.
It is one of the rare weeks where you won't
see me at least on one of them. I usually
appear on at least the Monday show or look Around, so.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Luckily for me, Nope, it's not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Oh, Jason, well, we'll get you set up, Jason. You will, buddy,
get help Jason set up because I won't have any
Wi Fi on this trip.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
No I can. I can host look around, have done
it before?
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Oh? Okay, yeah it'll uh.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
In fact, we if he's not busy. The newly elected
Division Commander of Mississippi and slash Colonel. Yeah, colonel, you
will actually be in a Jackson that day. So in
this same office that I'm in.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Which is, for those who don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
The Mississippi Division Headquarters office.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yay, so humble division brag.
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
So uh probably gonna ay first.
Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Oh and I'm speaking out of camp tomorrow, God.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Bless Yeah, the Nathan Pepper Ports Camp out of Murdy, Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yep. So if you're in the Meridian area. And you
want to hear me talk about social media and engaging
youth members in the s CV, you can tune in
and come to see me at that camp.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah uh, Forrest, and I may talk about one of
the resolutions we passed this past division reunion.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
That would be great. I will I will have to
catch it when I come back. As I said, I
won't have any Wi Fi this trip, but maybe once
a at one hour a day because I'm going on
a cruise for this year's beach trip, which was a
financial disaster but great idea.
Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah well, I mean at least at least the foods included.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Yeah yeah, well, Moose, my one poor episode was not
a broken poor college student for about a month. And
now that I've started paying for this trip, i haven't
got on the boat yet and I've already become once
again a broke, poor college student. Here we are full
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circle moment again. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Well, it could be worse, but I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Will be enjoying it. So for those who need me,
I'm sorry. You probably won't get in touch with me.
Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
What do you did Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Wednesday? I'm watching Look Around Florida. You are, that's right?
Look around Florida with Sean McFall has changed dates. It
is no longer on Tuesday, it is on Wednesdays. That's
something else we've got to find.
Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That's that's one reason why we're having to redo the
video opening videos because he changed the dates and having
to find those original graphics.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
It's been fun. So oh, I am enjoying being a
newsletter editor for my.
Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Camp newsletter editor and what else?
Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
How much time do you have?
Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I believe you're also serving as camp command.
Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yes, I'm camp commander, which means I'm in charge of
heritage operations and the newsletter and if any position becomes open,
I also have to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I don't y'all don't have it in your camp bylaws
where you can fill any positions.
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
There will be that position soon. Dad must have just
liked doing more and more stuff because he wrote the bylaws.
I'm gonna have a talk with him about that. I
was reading our camp bylaws after I got elected and said, Dad,
why is this this this here? He's like, oh, well,
you know, I just couldn't find anybody, so I just
(01:04:38):
thought i'd do it. And I was like, oh great,
thanks Dad. So yeah, there will be some camp bylaw
changes for the Samuh poke up and uh, by the way,
if y'all are just wanting to see some SUV news
from Mississippi, the fifth Brigade has a page now, so
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there some samelish self promotion from my brigade.
Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Hey, good job.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Hey, well I'm trying all right.
Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Uh but who do you think was the best Confederate
journal in the Vicksbury campaign?
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Uh mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
It's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That is a very tough one. Let's let me think
and get back to it, because I mean it was
definitely not John C. Pemberton nor nor was it uh
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Joseph Egelson Johnston m So anyway, well, we'll enjoyed tonight's
little episode. Hope everybody had a happy Father's Day. We're
gonna go ahead and wrap it up here. We will
be Moose will be back on Thursday. Sean will be
back on Wednesday with Look around Florida. I'm sure David
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Pope is going to have something in the I don't
know if it be in the weekend of the.
Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Real quick the polls numbers are in.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Does Adam look like a velvet elvis?
Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Six? Say?
Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Now, hmm, Well, tragic day for Adam. Yeah, I think
it's more of a tragic day for both years.
Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
It is. It is a sad day for chat community
when one of our old members cannot look like velvet
Elvis anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Boers is probably gonna want to recount.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
He's gonna get mad and cross the little t Rex arms. Anyway,
all right, we're gonna wrap it up here. Hope you'll
have I hope you'll have a great rest of your week.
Thanks guys for tuning in up. Yeah, and the words
of the late and great Harold Philip Philipops no fumar
(01:07:34):
in the elevator, no obla English ament
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