Operation Snake - with Special Guests Attorney Ed Paltzik and Jen Gatz - Search Warrant

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, search weren't and we're alive. I think we're on Well,
you can listen to us on Rumble h g r
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Bell and LinkedIn. So anyway, we're live and unsupervised totally today.

(01:17):
So I want to tell you what the title of
the episode is, Operation Snake. We have two special guests.
Special guest Attorney Ed Poltiic of Backner Law. You should
join us the second hour, and we have Jen Gatz

(01:38):
from Justice for Every Family at about two thirty. I think,
so this is what we're going to cover, Operation Snake.
Philadelphia corruption and Krasner local government corruption in New York State.
An update on the murder rule of a suicide UH Indiana line,

(02:00):
the Truth through Tynacity, Canada's Carneye Crumbles, lawfare against law enforcement,
politically motivated wrongful prosecutions in New Mexico involving Brad Lunsford
in Boston involving Dave finnerty and wrongful prosecutions for political

(02:22):
points unbelievable New Mexico and Boston snakes about. Then Antifa
is at it again. We have a Nashville update. We
have an invitation to interim US attorney in Boston, leah

(02:43):
An invitation to New Mexico U source installed Attorney General
Raoul Torres an investigation and invitation to a chancellor of
Dee I and I read uh and again snakes in
New Mexico, Boston and Irate And what's up with a

(03:04):
guy named Lawlor in Hudson Valley, New York? And what's
up with a guy by the name of Gottenheimer in
New Jersey. So well, let's flur those things. Hey, So
who do we have. We've got Detective Jake Jacobs from
Philadelphia Homicide and the officer involves shooting unit. And we
have veteran NCIS Special Agent Greg Highlands who just joining

(03:27):
us from Tennessee. And Jake is joining us from an
undisclosed location, right Jake still undisclosed.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Still undisclosed, soon to be.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Ralph is uh, you know, still dealing with the medical issues.
But I know he will join us if there's any
news on the kras Or front or on the Penn
State corruption case. So anyway, I just wanted to hit
a couple of these things. Now, all of us on

(03:58):
the screen have been to multiple crime scenes, hideous and
otherwise as a result of a duty call or otherwise.
But you know, usually the worst ones are the autoerotic ones, right, Okay,

(04:21):
so let's listen to this girl. I mean, I will.
I'll tell you, you know, crime scene with none of us.
We investigate it, but we don't clean up the crime scene.
And I've had people yell at me from buildings they
get that blood off there, And.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
That's my job.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I'm investigating it.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know, the blood will somebody will come and take it,
you know what I mean. But this is a crime
scene cleaner, and it's very interesting because she uses today's
vernacular to explain some things.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Today, I'm a crime scene cleaner, a human room but
for the blood slicked, pistsoaked maggot Riddle's aftermath of life's
worst ash shit moments. Today's job was at a low
rent apartment complex nicknamed Methlehem Towers and necessitated a long
reach mop a shovel for unhoused organs and enzyme solvent
to re liquify the now dried body fluids. So I

(05:16):
gear up, I confirm tonight's better help session. I pop
a peppermint under my tongue and slap vix under my
nostrils like its war paint. This ain't my first corpse
cleaning rodeo, you know, I know the rotting rotisserie chickensent
will slap me across the face and leave a mark.
The scene was a cramp studio that looks like Craigslist
and hepatitis had a baby mattress on the floor, Judge

(05:37):
Judy on loop sheets over the windows and in the corner.
The star of the show Amber, looking more like Jade
by this point with her greenish shoe. She's naked, per hush,
face down, ass up. No dignity in this death. I'm afraid.
There's a bottle of Popper's porkloa Maine, a crafty homemade
anima device made from a gatorade bottle and a big pen.

(05:57):
Lady mcgiver got a little ambitious with her toy and
perforated her colon sadly, but not before she inserted the
bottles somewhere else first. Based on the other fluids that
I found on that note, you ever see a decomposing butthole? No, well,
good for you, Kayleie. We are not the same. So
I'm halfway through begging the decomp fluid when I hear

(06:18):
the squelch, not a drip, not a splash, a squelch.
My knee has landed in whatever seeped out of the
aforementioned decomposing butthole, and it is wet and alarmingly chunky
and sticking to my leg like it had every intention
of doing just that. So yeah, today I'm a crime
scene cleaner.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah so, uh described by a calm cleaner in today's vernacular.
So what'd you say? It was a combination of Craigslist
and appatitis or so what did she say? Anyway? Pretty uh,
pretty dramatic, So.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know, creative, I mean the amount of effort that
she must have took actually write that script and then
not be able to repeat it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Oh yeah, anyway, uh quite uh you know en lightning right,
So anyway, let's get to the uh okay, Jake, what's
happening with uh Krasner? Because I know Ralph was a

(07:35):
former staff writer for the Los Angeles Times and the
defunct Philadelphia in Choir now writes for a news weekend
Big trial is usually was the wittiest, but he's not
today because there's no big news on Krasner or the
pen's takecase. But you know, Jake, can you have you

(07:58):
read this article the Inky editors turn a blind eye
to Larry Krasner's lawlessness Before you start, I just want
to identify Larry Krasner as the doors installed district attorney
in Philadelphia who's running against the Jake who's he running against.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Dugan judge, former judge Pat Dugan.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Pat Dugan, Okay, but uh, all right, and and uh
Pat Dugan kind of put his foot in his mouth
by slamming Trump along with Krasner, right, didn't he?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, he falls into the Krasner trap of being democratic
stronghold of Philadelphia and going after Trump. Trump doesn't have
anything to do. Last time I checked, Trump didn't shoot
it arn armed or armed black male. Trump didn't drop
the wrong way on Rosebud Boulevard. Trump didn't kill two
black females a couple of days ago. Trump didn't shoot

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two kids under sick, either self inflicted or by you know,
mishandled firearms. Trump didn't do all that. And instead of Dougan,
you know, saying what he should say and going after
the crime and all the Krasner's nonsense, you know, you
inject Trump, which in turn gives Larry the platform that

(09:21):
he wants and not the platform that Dugan should be attacking.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Right, Okay, so I'm sure you if you're interested in
what the hell Larry Krasner is doing, you're being closely watching.
Uh and it's making right making Megan Heaton, Yes, Megan Heaton,
who is a correspondent with the Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, no, she's she's she's been on Rudy Giuliani's podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I think she says she's a correspondent for.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
She's corresponding for Rudy Giuliani's.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Okay, so he was kind enough to attend some political
functions where Krasner put his put in his mouth repeatedly.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, that was when Dugan and krasn was both there
at some point.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
And hopefully we can get one, get Megan on right, yes,
and two have her explain the videos. But she's I mean,
she's a victim of crime herself.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, well, Krasner. Her fiance was killed, and Krasner made
sure that the person who killed her fiance did not
do any jail time through some sort of negotiated backdoor dealing.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Right, it's so speaking of negotiated backdoor deals and subjects
that are not in jail even though they killed somebody.
What's happening with Ellen Greenberg? Have you heard anything?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I have not, it seems like you may have, but.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It does summarize the case, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
All Right, Well, Grasna wasn't around for well, you know what,
I'm sorry heat the DA he was actually he was
a party in the Ellen Greenberg matter.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, that's appalling. He's demonic. I mean he should be,
you know, burned at the steak? Is that what you
do with demonic entities? Bring them at the steake? Okay?
Let me see here. So I would have presumed that

(11:45):
you guys saw the Trump Carney Canada conversation, right, Yes, yeah,
yeah that Carney. What a what a guy? Old Economic
Forum shithead. So so Antifa is at it again. This

(12:05):
was them burning down buildings at the University of Washington
in Washington State. Okay. So, and you know last week

(12:26):
we talked about Nashville, right, and it's dangerous in Nashville, right,
So has anything else happened in Nashville recently? Do we know? Okay,
this guy I don't know his name, but he kind
of gives an update on Nashville. As it pertains the Vanderbilt,

(12:50):
which is in Nashville.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yes, so you guys know Vanderbilt University last weekend had
forty cases of girls coming in testing positive because something
was in.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Their drink here in Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
And you guys still think this is a fucking game.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's a pretty good number.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
That's right in the area those those bars.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, and then this still, what are you.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Gonna start taking care of all these people down here?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Are we gonna have to pass laws to stop these
men and women from getting.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Broad and grapes when they come down here, because if
we have to, that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
This is going on long enough. The crime in the
city is out of control. The essay is out of control.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
M wow. Okay, so let's see what else. Oh here,
Jake and Greg, I think I mentioned this to you,
but you know, sadly all of us uh lost all
our firearms and a tragic boating accident, much like Valencia here.

(14:09):
You know, I lost all my cats in a boating accident.
Valentia Gomez. So I think she's running for something in Texas, right, Okay?
So Bill, can you bring up the showers number one website? Okay?

(14:38):
So we had the relatives of the victims of Christmas
homicide in Alabama, Alabama, and the subject is a by

(14:58):
the last name of Showers, and uh, the US Marshalls
Service is now involved and they're offering a five thousand
dollars reward. And that's one of his pictures, but it
doesn't really let's see if we Okay, So, Bill, thank you.

(15:23):
If you happen to see him, you know, I'd call
the US Marshal Service immediately tell him you saw Showers.
This is who he killed. Horrific. Okay, So okay, one
other thing before we get to other stuff. Greg, you

(15:46):
were kind enough to mention Mike Lawler and that other guy.
Do you want to say anything?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Well, I mean, it's it's uh, it's kind of weird.
I think I had talked to you a little bit
about it that when you're surfing your social media, how
you kind of get flooded with certain things at certain times.
And one right now people getting flooded with anti Semitism
type related post. And and this week, the past week,

(16:15):
everything's been racial. It's been racial black and white stuff
and and that kind of stuff. This came up. You know,
if you actually look at I like to look at
see who the source is and kind of fish and
and and find out where it started. But this one
came out and sometimes you actually find that in this

(16:38):
case a Lawler and Gottenheimer is from a Democrat from
New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
And law is a Democrat from Hudson Valley, New York.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Right, Lawlers a Republican from years So we have.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
A there's a website for Michael Lawler. It's number three.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
So these two they proposed a bill that would make
it illegal to boycott businesses who are there Israeli businesses,
so you you wouldn't be able to boycott Israeli businesses,
which and there's a lot more to the bill than

(17:23):
just that, but that's what caught my eye and digging
down to it is that you know, uh, what's clear
violation of the First Amendment, regardless of whether I like
it or not. Secondly, as my try to do my
whole career, regardless of whether I liked it or not, Uh,
you've got to protect the Bill of rights in the Constitution.

(17:44):
So my question to you is like, one, is it
had you seen it because he's from New York? And
then two, why the hell would you float a bill
right now about that? And then then the DBS side
of my mind says, so why is he floating a
bill like that? And you know, is he is he
being paid or you know, is there a lobby group?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yes, that that certainly comes to mind. So and the
other guy's name is Gotmer.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, so you know where you want to keep an
eye on that and understand where it might be coming from.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Right, Well, you look at what Greg is saying here.
I mean, you got legislators trying to usurp the constitution,
trying to make up laws that violate the First Amendment,
you know, and they're doing something else. Greg, It's not
just that one. It's something I was trying to think
of it while you were speaking. They're trying to stop

(18:50):
and it's what you said. I may not, I may
be supportive of this group, but it's still a violation.
I try to keep it simple with right or wrong.
So we we do this. We may not like the
scumbag we're protecting or come into contact with, but our
job is to protect that scumbag and our job sometimes
bring us in contact with people like that. And it's

(19:12):
the same here.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right right in the bill, I mean, a lot of
people don't take time to read the bills, and I'm
gonna be honest with you, I'm guilty as guilty of
that you don't time to actually read the stuff. This
one caught my eye, so I actually sat down and
read it, and I was trying to get to figure
out why why is this important right now? You know,
it's there's a lot of other things. I asked that

(19:34):
they're kind of very political hot potatoes. I'm not I
don't consider myself political. I usually end up in the
conservative camp, but you know, with everything that's going on
right now, I ask myself questions like, Okay, so we
don't want to support the war in the Ukraine, but
then why are we so? Why are we so interested

(19:56):
in Gaza. I'm not an anti sim I've actually worked
in Israel and I've worked with the Israelis, so I've
been able to appreciate a lot of the things that
they do. But at the same time, you know, we've
done as the US, We've done a lot of things
questionable as well. So does it hurt to actually question

(20:16):
why why are we doing some of these things?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
And then getting reading the bill, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Getting back to reading bills, Greg, I don't think Congress
we used to builds half the time when you get
would you get a four thousand pages at eleven thirty
and has to be signed by eleven fifty nine. So yeah,
the on themen, I read the bills.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, we're actually falling into a problem is is that
everything's a sound bite, and you don't fit into a camp.
Then you immediately you know, some of the words are
actually actually wearing off. Like I don't think that the
word racist has the same impact that he used to
have being an anti Semite. I don't think that that
actually has the same I think these words have been

(20:59):
diminished the if they don't have an impact on anybody
and nobody cares about it. But the problem is is
that you see some of our congressmen and congresswomen who
are actually coming out and saying, well, you know, I
don't I don't think this is the right thing to do,
and they'll stand up against it, but then you see

(21:21):
them kind of get pushed off into some kind of
fringe group and they try to lose their credibility and
and that's not really the right thing to do. And
I don't respond to things on social media because I
want I try not to spend that much time on it.
But at the same time, I don't actually comment anything
not It's not that I don't care, it's just that

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it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, you know, it's funny when you say you fight.
It's funny when you say you're not political and you
lean conservative, and that's the whole thing. It's almost like
it's a un a party. Even when you talk about
this bill. You got a Democrat and Republican sponsoring something
it's against us, and we can talk all we want

(22:06):
on social media. It seems like it is falling on
deaf ears because none of the legislation is getting passed
that the people, which is what that document says, the
people are requesting. You know, it's all of their nonsense,
like you're find all this spending nonsense for transdi and

(22:27):
seals A or whatever the case may be. But no
one can seem to find out how to cut this budget. Well,
everyone goes in there making forty thousand dollars a year
and come out making forty million dollars a year, and
no one knows why we got inflation because they took
our money, they printed it, they hinted through all these NGLs,

(22:47):
we need to have Hernando back on here. They're talking
about jills or whatever type of medium that money lawned
and medium it goes back in their pockets. We're stuck
as taxpayers with the whether it's buying something or paying
for it out the front with all the moneys. So
it's not a political party rather left or right or
Democrat or Republican. It's them versus us, it seems like.

(23:10):
And when we speak like Gregson, he don't because he
feels though his voice is not mean anything. And we've
been on we're actually on the other side. We've been
on the other side. We know what we had to
do to protect these people, and we know what they're
doing not to protect us.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, so you guys have any thoughts on this India
Pakistan thing.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That's gonna be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's scary. Yeah, yeah, you got two nuclear powers Libby missrsto.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Pakistan is a an advantage disadvantage manpower wise, all right,
by it forward to one margin.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, if that was the only problem, you know, it
would be nothing, if everybody was just fighting with knives
and muskets.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, Pakistani has has some decent alliances that it could
be problematic. Pakistani has a very strong intelligence service. Pakistani
is sire are very good.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
The The other thing though, is is that you know,
actually India has a pretty decent navy now and they
have an aircraft carrier, and where did they get their
ideas for their aircraft carrier? So I think it's this
is actually could be very very it's very scary. I
think that's what Jake said.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, yeah, something has very quick with this fire. Right now,
we're just rubbing the twigs together. Let's you know, let's
not blow on.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, exactly have you heard what's the what's the newest thing?
Do you have any idea?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Last night? I guess they had launched some missiles into
three different areas. Some of the stuff that's you know,
you've got to be very careful what you read on
on through social media X and other things. But they're
really the only ones that actually gave like geolocations of
where the impacts were. Jesus, But that's about it. I

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haven't seen a whole lot of anything else.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Okay, So Bill, can you bring up this the article
it's our number two wrongful prosecutions? Okay? So I don't
know if you guys have read this or not, but

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it came out recently. It's if Trump wants to back
the Blue Start with these unjust prosecutions, And they include
two prosecutions that we've spent some time on, of course,
Brad Lunsford from New Mexico and Dave Finnerty from Boston. So, Bill,

(26:07):
can you bring that article up again?

Speaker 7 (26:09):
Just so?

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Okay, it's the it's real clear politics, and it's entitled
if Trump wants to back the Blue Start with these
unjust prosecutions? Okay, So yeah, that's a reading test, that's
that's an eye test. But okay, Bill, we can't make

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that any bigger, can we?

Speaker 7 (26:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, Well, he's gotta you know, they've got to look
at these. Oh good, that's awesome. Okay, the two flimsy,
politically motivated cases. One includes one in Kentucky that we
have yet to take a look at. M messages are

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left over from the Biden Justice to Department's war on caps.
Trump can make good on his law enforcement first approach
by putting an end to these egregious charges brought by
Biden officials, including a now disgraced Zero's district attorney and
career bureaucrats. So anyway, I mean, you know, if i'd

(27:29):
like to see him, look at Brad Luncert's case in
New Mexico and Dave Finnerty this case in Boston. By
the way, we ask Leah Foley, Leah Foley, the interim

(27:50):
US attorney in Boston, to join us to explain why
they're pursuing this wrongful prosecution of Serge Infinity, and further
why they're precluding Jennifer Infinity, his wife, from advocating on
his behalf leading to the wrongful prosecution. It's politically motivated.

(28:18):
So Leah, if you can find the time to explain
to us why you're going forward with us wrongful prosecution,
politically motivated prosecution of Sergeant Infinity, that would be helpful.
And why you why the Affinities bus.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Has been.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Precluded from advocating for Dave. It would be interesting to
know your insight or even if you know about this case.
And if you don't know about the case, you should
driven look into it. And we talked about that last week,
but we need to look into that case. Also. Ralph

(29:10):
ral Torres, the New Mexico uh Democratic throws installed Attorney
general in New Mexico. Apparently you found himself in a
jam here. Let's see. Uh yeah, that New Mexico Attorney

(29:31):
General Dodge's questions in CNN story about luxury trips sponsored
by corporate loyalists. So if you're in your in New Mexico,
you might want to read that article because it sounds
like he tried to, you know, dodge any questions in

(29:56):
regard to all these luxury trips that he and other
contamidated people are taking, which I wouldn't be surprised if
there's a lot in New York State and there's a
lot in Pennsylvania. Right, that's all over.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know what's funny, John, I'm thinking about people. All
these lawyers. They go to law school, and part of
law school and I think one of the main parts
is debating. You know, you got to argue both sides
and things of that nature. But none of these lawyers
want to come on a show like ours and just
explain themselves. I mean, we're not professional debaters. I mean
they they went to school for four or five six

(30:37):
years and just explain yourself why you're doing what you're doing.
Whether it's a politician who most of them are lawyers also,
no comment. Just explain why you're locking up, mister Finnity,
you know, explain the probable cause, the reason, suspicion, all
the steps you took to get there. But they can't
and that's why she'll never go on here and even
the US attorney I'm waiting eagerly waig mean to hear

(31:02):
Harvey spots.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, okay, so, uh you know we've we mentioned Facebook
earlier though in the broadcast. Uh, Linda Luis, you weren't
able to watch the last two weeks on Facebook. Where
anywhere I could watch those episodes. You can watch them

(31:24):
on Rumble if you search search warrant on KG orright
or on LinkedIn? Okay in the and is.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
The full version on Twitter?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
John, Yes, and the the full version is also on
Twitter so at search warrant one at search warrant one,
so you can see him at those locations LinkedIn Rumble
and uh x okay, so so a right for the

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inconvenience there, But we finally got that resolved, so thankfully.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Hey, so.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Okay, so wrongful prosecutions. Do you guys have anything to
say about about those two anyway? Anymore? Anything?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I did get a message from oh so Friday, there's
a hearing in the Finerity case in Boston, so we
want to watch what happens on that. I think it's
on the on the gag orders. Describe gag order as

(32:45):
it pertains to uh Brad Lunsford. I think that.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Hang.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Honestly, go let me the okay. So, one of the
underlings that was part of the prosecution, the wrongful prosecution
of Brad Lunsford, apparently has left the prosecution team and

(33:18):
become a district attorney. He's the chief deputy attorney. His
name is gueerce Daily. He was one as the chief
deputy attorney for the Berna bernad Lillo County District Attorneys Office.

(33:47):
So I'm sure I'm murdering that name. But still he's
been removed from the prosecution team because he has a
new job. But Greer Staley is off the case. Uh
it's a she excuse me, she moved back to the

(34:09):
District attorney's office. She was the only one, uh limited intelligence.
The other is still in the case and his name
is John Duran too, who's been referred to as ridiculous. Yeah,

(34:34):
so you know, if you're going to push a bullshit
prosecution of a law enforcement professional making up ship. Uh
you know, that's that's the kind of guy you want
to have to try to justify your laws anyway. Okay,

(34:58):
So let's see. Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Uh, Trump had an EO, an executive order on de I.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Right, I believe you did.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Okay, Number eight, Bill number eight Okay, ending radical and
wasteful government DEI programs and preferencing. Okay. So and number

(35:36):
nine then Trump on t e I. Trump administration tells
schools no federal funds if you're using DEI. Okay. So
you know these academic nickel heads, you can never it's
a it's amazing what kind of how they present themselves.

(36:00):
But Greg, you're so much familiar with us. Hang on
a second, let me see here. Okay. You know when
you picture a DEI academic, would this come to mind? Yeah?

(36:23):
It would, wouldn't it? So, and that happens to be
this guy. He's really working on us neck. So you know,
he is the chancellor of the Pennsylvania State System of
Higher Education also known as PASCHE, which has a bunch

(36:45):
of little colleges underneath them. I don't know, what their
purpose is really they they don't really have a purpose
because the colleges could stand on their own, but they
still have a diversity, equity, and inclusion. So Doge, you
might want to look into the any federal funding you're

(37:07):
providing to the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education because
they're still pushing this DEI. So this guy is Christopher
something or other. I can't think of his name right now.
If you are involved in any kind of Pennsylvania education,

(37:29):
you know who this is. Christopher Fiorentino I think his
name is. You know, come on and explain to us
how your pursuit of DEI is, you know, appropriate under
the Trump Executive Order. And while you're at it, explained

(37:51):
to us why we have a video of your director
of Facilities operation masturbating in front of little girls and
subsequently destroying their property and pleading guilty to criminal mischiefs.

(38:11):
And also, Chancellor, if you could explain to us why
he was on a protection from US order for three years.
So anyway, I'm not surprised he looks like that. It's
like something you would get into McDonald's right anyway. Okay,

(38:38):
so we're waiting for Jen Gatz to come on. She's
trying to make our way to her office now, but
I wanted to Can you show number six? Bill, give
you us an idea of Jen was recently on the news.

(39:00):
We've had around before, Jen Gatz. It involves a murder
that was ruled as was ruled as suicide in Indiana,
and Bill, can we make that any bigger? A daughter
wants a new investigation to mom's death under new Indiana law.
But interestingly, okay, yeah, can we can we come down

(39:25):
a little bit? Okay? It happened to Morgan County, Indiana.
Woman is seeking answers about her mother's nineteen ninety death
more than three decades decades after Morgan County ruled it
was a suicide. Jennifer Gatz Is hoped hopeful that a

(39:46):
relatively new Indiana law will help reveal what she believes
is the truth about her mom's death. However, WRTV Investigates
has learned that, despite of requests from families, the state
has yet to reopen or reinvestigate a single case. That's

(40:14):
mind numbing, is it not. I mean, if you have
a law and since the inception of that law, they
haven't opened a reopened a single case. The new law
took effect on July one, twenty twenty one, allows families
to request Indiana State Police do a new investigation into

(40:36):
an uncharged death. Requires families to submit a request in
writing to Indiana State Police explaining why they have a
reasonable suspicion that the death was a result of a
criminal act. Does not apply to medical malpractice. There's something

(40:56):
new on that case, by the way, that'll make you
head spin. Yeah, so it's appalling, is it not.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
You should use Larry Krasner.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, that was what ninety one two. Yeah, So, I mean, John,
you're kind of my mentor, whether you want to admit
it or not. You've been around for long, A little bit,
a little bit longer you were working in ninety one
ninety two. Yes, okay, So there's some requirements we had.
So you had to get a you had to get
a statement from the last person to see the victim alive,

(41:36):
and then the person who would discover and then all
the interviews that would be in the periphery would be,
you know, somebody that she was seeing and habitating. I
never once heard Jen say that she saw a statement
from the boyfriend. No, So those those were requirements that

(41:57):
have been around for years. I guess I don't, I
mean not know in India, local Indiana police departments policies
on how they were trained or what they were doing.
You would think that there would be a statement from
the boyfriend and where he was and and he may
have been the last adult to see her alive. So
that would that would be that definitely would be a

(42:18):
requirement for us. It would actually we'd have to take
a voluntary statement from him and he'd have to swear
to it.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
So I wonder if they even made contact with the guy.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
And the stuff that that we've been looking at, and
I've never I've never seen anything that to that.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean, you know, as I as I said,
never a beginning. You know, it's a truth through through tenacity,
and uh Jen has a lot of tenacity.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Definitely. Well, the fact, John, is that the only two
adults that we know of that I think we know
of is the neighboring boyfriend and those two people, not
even the neighbor. As far as the kids knocking your
door they told you about your mother, there's no interview
from either adult, the boyfriend or the neighbor. Then the

(43:14):
neighbor minimal. Let's say the boyfriend's out there, let's take
him out. Okay, you still should interview him, but he's
not there, so you're an interview How do you not
interview the neighbor and say, what kid knocked on your door?
What time? What did they say? And all this other
kind of stuff we have none of that.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Well, there's had a new twist to that, a new
information that will blow your socks off as to motivation.
And I don't want to steal Jen's thunder if she's
inclined to, you know, relate that, but it certainly puts

(43:56):
things in perspective as to you know, that being one
of the investigations, they should certainly take the time to
reopen because none of these people were interviewed contemporaneously, and

(44:18):
we all know that relationships change, and I think to
some degree Jen Gatz is finding that.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Well, naturally, John, it would take you to the neighbor's house.
That's where everyone was at. The mother was electedly there
in their home. Everyone ran to the neighbor's home, so
law enforcement was there with the neighbor. I mean, I
would assume they would have been there with the neighbor.
You didn't ask any questions. You ain't have your little
you know, your pad taking out some notes. That's natural.
That's one O one, that's less than one on one,
that's like ninety eight.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I think there's reasoning. I think it's a indicative
of a bigger problem.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Well, even now, John, she's I believe she's the only one.
The neighbor's the only one alive. Greg, I think you've
been through. The only adult is still alive. I think
the boyfriend's dead. I believe the officer might be dead also.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, But okay, I don't know why. I don't want
to steal Gens. Okay, I want to steal Gen's thunder.
But I can tell you that there are other people
alive that know shit about it, all right, significant information
about it.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You know. I'm just talking about people that night. Though.
As far as the neighbor's right there, she's still alive.
If you when Jim requested this re investigation, Okay, the
neighbors still alive. Let me least go talk to her. Yeah,
and then that may lead me somewhere or maybe not. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
The other thing was is that there was a possible
love connection or romantic connection between one of the cops
and the mother as well. Yes, yes, And I'm not
sure if it was the investigating cop, which would be
a problem, but I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
There are a lot of problems with Like I mean,
we sent an email to the Indiana State Police, very kind,
you know, brotherly email, indicating that we had knowledge of
Jen Gatz's you know, requests, and that we, you know,

(46:26):
as a retired law enforcement wanted to report on their
potential success in reopening the case. But unfortunately we didn't
receive a response. Now you've got a private citizen victim
through tenacity, developing information that you should have developed like

(46:50):
years ago. I mean, and you know, we don't want
to call our brothers out, but Jesus man, come on,
I mean, you gotta you know, there's such a thing
as doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It we're not even calling them out. Were just act.
You know, any normal person would have these basic questions.
These are basic questions. And I remember when I was
a child, I don't know if I was a single
disch was just reaching double dish as it was a
guy stabbed to death across the street and it was
around nine, ten o'clock at night or whatever, and the cops,

(47:26):
you know, we're low back of the house. I'm a
kid walking the dog. You know, saw somebody landing up
against the garage door. But the cops a few hours
later were knocking on the door to talk to the
kid about finding a guy who's was dead. It's just
a natural thing. The kid didn't know anything. Of course,
my father was there. But I still remember this. And

(47:47):
I don't know how much Gen remember since she was
a kid, but sometimes some kinds of things like that,
you know, you still remember, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, you know, speaking of neighbors, this is right off
the wall, but I want to bring this up. The
hell is that, Oh, this is what your neighbors could
do to thwart vehicle I was going to show some bik,
but this is what your neighbors could do to thwart

(48:15):
vehicle thefts. This is a girl I saw that. I
saw that very interesting and could be painful.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
I dare one of you low lifes to think you
can come to my residence and try to take my van.
You're not just going to be surprised with the several
number of locks. I have, but when you pull that
door handle, you'll get the surprise of your life from
my Mossburg five ninety twelve gage barrel shotgun, Man oh Man,
one round of heavy shots, penetrating all over your body

(48:45):
at once and causing rapid blood loss.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Greg? What can you tell Jake? You know it seems
quite unsophisticated.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Look pretty sophisticated to me.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
When I saw that, I saw I thought of the
you know, you know that conspiracy map the guy has.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I thought of that Sean Connery movie when when he
was trying to I forgot who he was with when
they had to get steal something. Oh, all those those lights,
those mazed lights. Yeah, maybe that's why I remembered it.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, I'm sure that.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Would be painful, very painful. Did you see where that
shotgun is aimed?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Here?

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I'll run it again quick.

Speaker 8 (49:41):
I dare one of you low lifes to think you
can come to my residence and try to take my van.
You're not just going to be surprised with the several
number of locks. I have, But when you pull that
door handle, you'll get the surprise of your life from
my Mossburg five ninety twelve gage barrel shotgun, Man oh Man,
one round of heavy shots, penetrating all over your body

(50:02):
at once and causing rapid blood loss.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Okay, it's situated behind the passenger seat, Amy, that's it
the door? Oh man, that that would that would do
some damage. Definitely do some damage. Okay, So you know

(50:31):
we're still waiting for jen I know that she's heading
to her office and she's she was out of her
office for a while. But it's really important that we
try to keep people up to date with that because
you know, you never know when you're going to run
into a circumstance where you want to have a case
reopened and you're hitting a brick wall. That she explained

(50:55):
what she was on last.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
So but.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I think we have a couple of minutes left before
the break and we'll probably we'll probably end up with
Jenn and at at the same time, so at their schedules.
But any more than anything more on Krasner, I mean,
I know that Ralph has put out some some oracles.
Anything else you can you know, the Philadelphia installed, the

(51:23):
Zorros installed, district attorney. Is there anything else you can
tell us?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Well, A couple of things that Ralph was working on
was the main thing was that police shootout that happened
some years ago in twenty nineteen. H that guy just
got convicted by a jury. So he's facing a lot
of time.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
But one hundred years right, well, it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Should be more. We'll see. I think the judge is
going to roof them. But I also speaking to some
people and knowing what I know, I think there's some
appillable issues there that there was intentionally placed in the
There was intentionally placed flies in the ointment by Krasner
and the district attorney of who's handling the case. So

(52:09):
we'll see. He probably will get a hundred years, but
with Ralph off the scene in about three to four years,
and if we're not continuing to cover it in three
to four years, it might end up turning out to
be only twenty years. Doing a pill and an agreement
with the prostitutor's office to go back to that. That's

(52:29):
what I'm hearing. So we'll see in three to four years,
no one's going to care about the case. It's going
to be behind the scenes. Ralph is not going to
be doing anything, you know, because he's the only reporter
in town going out to Krasner, So who knows.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, I was just going to say, has any other media,
has any other media reported.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
That, No, they're not going to.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (52:59):
There is something very interesting in that article that you
posted earlier from Big Trial. He has an investment forty
percent ownership stake in Tiger Building, which owns the former
Princeton Club and they own as This is from the
article and I'll share it on the screen. I made
it a little larger so you can see it. It

(53:22):
says here that the building has an assessed value of
nearly three point five but million as of this morning,
they owe the city one hundred and thirty eight thousand.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Yeah, yeah, well that yeah, I mean.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
All Texas like that, wouldn't we face some kind of
charges or no?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I mean, now, if you're the bos installed Jessic attorney
in Philadelphia, right Jake.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Not only that, his best friend in politics and in
law enforcement is the shaff of Philadelphia, Rochelle Blau. So
in order for this to be coming up for any
type of share sell or something, it would have to
be approved by her. And that's Krasner's right hand man.
That's why you haven't seen any agreements. You know, we

(54:06):
you know, we might one and they might say okay,
and then into a payment agreement, No payment agreements, no anything.
And these these moneys have been accruing over over a
decade and not one payment.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
Unbelievable as that was any of us. Forget it.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
We'll we'll be sitting on the lawn. Yeah, maybe sitting
on the lawn. We're lucky like.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You guys are in your land and your retirement and
your corruption.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
Anyway, I just wanted to throw that in there.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
So yeah, okay, so we're we're where we go.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
We just got a cop shot and I think I
know this cop too, named Samir Williams. Just got shot
in the stomach in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
We're in Philly, do you know in the nineteenth police district. Okay,
well we should be back here right after break with
Jen Gats and Attorney Ed Poultsic. Jen Gatts again with

(55:12):
the you know murder rule or yeah, murder rule to
suicide and Attorney Ed Poaltsic from Bagener law on you
know a local government corruption. So if you can stay
where you're at, we'll be right back. Uh huh, Okay,

(55:43):
we're back. We're back.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
We're we're back.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Can you hear us?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
You can here?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
You de find okay, great, So I just talked to Ed.
I just talked to h Ed and he is going
to be on about three point fifteen. Hang on a second, Uh, yes, second,

(56:14):
let me just gotta get Apparently we have to send
Jen a new link. The link that she was sent
was an old link. So mm hmm, so Bill a

(56:40):
check to make sure. Uh, Jen's gonna try to get
on here. Let me try to. I apologize for the
for the minor delay here that uh let's see yeah and.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yes, yeah what yes, while we wait, yeah, what happened
earlier right before the show, guys, while we while we
wait with that, I received a notification from the Third

(57:28):
Circuit that they're denying my petition. So my next step,
which I fully intend to proceed with, is going to
follow a writ with the Supreme Court. So they never
provide you any reasons and maybe you know, I'll get
run this past ed, But they never give you any
reasons because they know there's no justification for it. But

(57:52):
this is when it gets back into the lawyers and
the judges. They don't answer to anyone, you know, we're
just judicial and lawyer tyranny. Unfore fortunately, which I'm sure
our founders didn't envision the kind of nonsense that we
have going on today.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You know, it's widespread, not just.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Oh it's not just me. I don't feel bad about it,
because when you see that it was just me, then
I'll be like, oh, shoot, oh woe is me. But
it's not oh woe is me. You got people. You
got somebody on the Supreme Court that should have never
been there. The minute she said she didn't know what
a female or a male was, then her judgment has
to be questioned. You had someone who just lost in court,

(58:33):
Rachel Levine, dressing up as a woman that's psychological issues,
and they was ahead of or the Deputy Health and
Human Services people. We got people there. We have to
get speaking about d I like we talked about last time.
You know, we got DI people in Congress, and it
comes a time where we got to stop this nonsense.

(58:54):
You know, we gotta get off this. Greg just talked
about Captain Zada Jones. I'm sure he knows about Jane
stopped this crazy thing. We got to really get off
this crazy ride.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, that's for sure. I mean, you know, how what
is the number of you know, wrongful prosecutions and a
goat screwing excuse my French of law enforcement that were
initiated under the Pidon administration.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Well, my last filing, what they wasn't going to do John,
You know they were talking about this grand jury leak
stuff and with my last filing because they wouldn't give
me the information on the court reporter. So it took
me some time getting names and doing what I used
to do. And no longer be in size city the government,
so I didn't have all the tools that I used
to have. I tracked her down and she told me

(59:51):
that they never reached out to it. There was nothing
he lost grand jury transcripts. None of this stuff ever happened.
And the defendants responded, well, he's just given a pro statement.
Well you can this is your court reporter. You could
sit back and do an affidavit and submitted to the court.
So now that the court knows that none of this,
all these all the stuff was a lie, just like

(01:00:13):
the laptop from Hell was, you know, Russian different information.
You gotta take it with a grain of salt and
keep fighting and if you lose, you lose. But at
least you used everything at your disposal that this constitution
allowed that the founders allowed. So if I lose an end,
I lose in the end. But I'm not going to

(01:00:33):
let them violate my rights without a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Right So, uh, the judge Harvey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Harvey Barrow third and well, he's not because it's in
the third Circuit. If it if they would have remanded
the case back to the district court, it would have
went back to him, and I'm not sure whether he
would have recused himself at that point or not. But
you can have judges circling the wagon here. I mean,
there's more enough evidence to show that his rulings was biased, abusive,

(01:01:09):
and more than likely, in my opinion, legal. So they're
not going to sit back and put a senior district
court judge. They're not going to write an order or
an opinion that will justify possibly putting the senior district
court judge in federal prison or even having them terminated
from the bitch. It's just not going to happen. We

(01:01:31):
know that, we know, we talked about the FBI agents
all the time. You know, why are they doing the
things that they do? Why did they go to Rogers
stone House with guns are blazing? You know what I mean?
Some stuff for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, hey, sir, we have Jen Goats with us from
Justice for Every Family, Justice the number for Every Family
and are we followed that? Jens uh saga? Here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Jen? What how?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
What was your experience talking to the the news relative
to your case?

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
So I've actually been in contact with Kara Kenney, which
is the investigative reporter in Indianapolis, since December. I reached
out to her because I had no clue what I
was doing, and I think she did or would be
willing to help, and she's been amazing so far. But

(01:02:37):
I did my interview, you know, a month ago. Last week.
The response was much greater than I had anticipated.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Oh that's great, that's great. What kind of responses do
you get back?

Speaker 10 (01:02:57):
Believe it or not, but a lot of responses from
Morgan Town.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Really yes, Wow, that's telling.

Speaker 10 (01:03:09):
It is because I genuinely believed that people from Morgantown
would not be happy, you know, with my story airing
about my mom or you know, because it's a close
knit community. When towns are small, they know each other
and it's close knit. And I just assumed that the

(01:03:33):
investigating officer would be a well liked individual in the community.
And people would just back him regardless if that was
the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.
But I had the complete opposite experience, and that itself
was really telling lots of good things that I learned

(01:03:56):
about my mom and not one good thing about the officer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Wow, what can you share that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah? Can you a little bit?

Speaker 9 (01:04:10):
So?

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
I have spoken to more people than I can count
off the top of my head, which is bittersweet, some good,
some bad. But I was told by multiple people my
mom was not on drugs. There was no history of
drugs there unless we include smoking marijuana. She did have

(01:04:31):
a painkiller medication issue, but it wasn't like an everyday thing.
I think she just kind of took it recreationally and
whenever she could get it. And he investigating officer was

(01:04:54):
called a whack job, was called a selective enforce pervert.
Nobody that came to me had anything good to say
about him, and he slept around I guess the town

(01:05:14):
with multiple people, so it wasn't just my mother and
just overall was not a good person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Oh my god. Hey, So, for the benefit of people
that are hearing your story for the first time, can
you just give us a I mean you're you've done
this numerous times, but if you can give us just
a summary of what you're looking at. I mean, your
your mom was found deceased in nineteen ninety, right, nineteen ninety.

Speaker 10 (01:05:48):
Yes, January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety at your.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
At your residence, and the only ones uh present where
you're h you and your siblings and your your mom's
uh then boyfriend who your siblings heard leave in a truck. Yes,

(01:06:17):
And your interpretation was that that whoever investigated this, that Morgan.

Speaker 10 (01:06:28):
It's Morgan County, right, yes, county, Indiana, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Uh, they didn't. They didn't take a look at a
variety of pertinent things, or interview the neighbors or anybody
that knew your mom, or the or the boyfriend that
left in a pickup truck that your sibling heard, right.

Speaker 10 (01:06:58):
Yes, I did learn that the then sheriff spoke with
my mom's friend on the Tuesday after my mom's death.
He asked her a couple of questions on like some background.
I am not sure the intentions behind it, whether he

(01:07:19):
was suspicious, or why he called my mom's friend given
that my mom's death was ruled suicide. The day before
the day she died, it was ruled suicide, but he
did reach out to my mom's friend and asked for
some background information and he was told about the background

(01:07:39):
information with my mom and her boyfriend and the abuse,
but nothing, nothing came of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So you know I mentioned before you came on that
you know and he it's an exercise in your question
and tenacity as it retains to uh, you know, truth
for truth through uh tenacity Basically, I mean, you're you're,

(01:08:11):
you've done an awesome job of you know, uh bringing
awareness to this, but more importantly to you know, what
the hell really did happen? What can you relate at
all any of the conversations you had with people that

(01:08:34):
I know we've we've talked online. But it's a shocking
and it's appalling and it's uh it speaks to motivation.
Can you elaborate a little bit on that? Is that possible? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
I mean I was told several different things. One of
the things that I was told was that my mother
went with her friend to a doctor's appointment on Saturday,
and then I guess I learned that my mom wasn't
allowed to eat if she ate that meant she had

(01:09:10):
money and he would beat her. She couldn't get caught
with a cup or a wrapper or anything, because that
would mean that she had money. So then the neighbor
will not neighbor. Her friend would feed her and then
they would get rid of like all the evidence. I

(01:09:32):
am sad to know that my mom went hungry a
lot and was not allowed to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Oh jeez.

Speaker 10 (01:09:39):
She got home late Saturday. I don't know what late means.
I didn't ask what time that was. But the boyfriend
was already home when she got there. And he walked
up to the car and put his arms in the
driver's window and started yelling. And my mom's friend is
a they very feisty, and she she spoke back, and

(01:10:02):
you're not going to speak to me like that, And
my mom leaned over and yelled at him and told
him that he is not going to hit her. And
she told my mom that she didn't need to go
back inside, that she had a choice, and my mom
said that yes, she absolutely had to go back inside.

(01:10:22):
She was terrified. But as a punishment of what occurred,
he tied my mother to a chair and he beat
her in front of two of his friends and then
left her tied to this chair while they played cards
and drank.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Is that mentioned anywhere in the body of the police report.

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
I mean probably not if it was found. But yeah, yeah,
we don't have the police report.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Ah God, when you said I had a police reports,
you don't have any of the interviews either, So they.

Speaker 10 (01:11:03):
Lost everything, everything to do with the police. Yes, it's missing.
They deny that it's ever existed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I don't understand that. I'm just I mean, first of all,
she's found with a shotgun. Her boyfriend is Cornyi's siblings
heard his he has heard leaving the scene. There's blood

(01:11:40):
in the cardboard right.

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
Yes, well and on the doorstep, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
It's just that she couldn't have put there obviously. No,
she couldn't put into obviously because she was inside. So
how did they get outside? And that share if I
find it interesting that he wouldn't talk to your mom's friend.
Before you came on, we were trying to figure out
why no one talked to the neighbor. Why I don't

(01:12:09):
want to spoke with the neighbor. If the shaff had
to wherewith all to go talk to your mond friend,
maybe that I don't know what was the reason, but
he didn't go talk to your neighbor.

Speaker 10 (01:12:19):
That's what she says. I she was on site when
rescue got there, She was on site when police got there,
but she claims to have not left a statement.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
And that would be confirmed because if we had the
police report in the interviews, we wouldn't know whether or
not that was true. But since we don't have the
police report or the interviews, you know, I just find
like I said, before you came on, we were like,
obviously she would have been in the presence of law
enforcement or the date of your mother's death. Yes, And
why there's no notes, even handwritten notes or contemporaneous notes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
While this is dated, I mean yeah, you know, back
in the nineties, were to have an incident report for
the response, then you would have a spin off investigation
from that. There would be probably at least two to
three reports that you would have just for the incident.

Speaker 10 (01:13:13):
I would think that the sheriff would have written a
report for his interview with my mom's friend.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Yeah, and I Steven, if they would have still determined
it to be a suicide, doesn't make a difference. It
could have been a suicide, could have been a homicide.
It could have been an accidental drowning. Who cares? It
would have been something, And the fact that there's nothing
Linz Creeden definitely warrants more questions than the answers we've
been given.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, so, I mean this is if you can see this,
this is one of yan articles we are the children
of a murdered romance which comes becomes clear every second.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
You know, Is that on your website in that article?

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yes, okay, yeah, we'll we've also, uh, she's had some
several awesome articles and uh, you know your your website,
is it justice for every Family dot org writ Yes, okay,

(01:14:22):
justice for the number four every family dot com or
dot org And uh, I mean you have a incredible,
incredibly excellent ability to communicate in uh, you know, in uh,
in writing. So I think people will get to handle

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on that bottom line is her mom's found deceased in
the residence. The siblings find her at the same time
that they find her with a shotgun in her under.

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
Her right, yes, underneath her right, and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
One of your simblings then moved the shotgun right.

Speaker 10 (01:15:05):
Yes, my oldest sister pulled the shotgun out from underneath
her before we ran to the neighbor's house for help.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Okay, and then at the same time, you hear the
boyfriend the boyfriend's pickup truck leave.

Speaker 10 (01:15:21):
My sister did. I don't remember that, but yes, my
sister said she heard the truck leave.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, so he's fleeing the scene of some you know activity, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Can you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Can you speak to any anything that you've developed so
far that adds to motive?

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Yes, I have someone who contacted me and said that
my mom found out he was doing something and told
him that she is messing around with a cop and
she was going to turn him in. She obviously didn't

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get a chance to report back to him, but that
is that occurred shortly before she died.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
So so he is the boyfriend is made aware of
the fact that your mom knows of an event or
set of events that are.

Speaker 10 (01:16:41):
Inappropriate, correct, that involved siblings or a sibling.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Yeah, and your mom is subsequently found deceased. Yes, you know,
we don't get want to get into the nitty gritty
of that, but that's a I mean, don't you find Jake,
Greg don't you find that to be a motive that

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wasn't previously explored?

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Definitely?

Speaker 11 (01:17:15):
Yeah, ok, yeah, I don't, you know, is there anything
else that you've developed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I mean, you've devolved a lot of stuff. You've talked
to a lot of people.

Speaker 10 (01:17:33):
I've talked to a lot of people who all have
different versions of, like their experience of that day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:17:44):
Odd to hear other people's experience of that day because
to me, my entire life, it is just something that
happened to my siblings and I kind of like in
a bubble. But to hear other people give their version
of what they remember from that day, it was strange.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah, I'll bet you yeah, Oh my god.

Speaker 10 (01:18:12):
So there there was somebody that was the same age
as my older sister said that after my mom died,
he went to her house when her parents weren't there
and sat on her kitchen table and racked up a
six hundred dollars bill and some long distance phone call.

(01:18:36):
He was on a phone call for three hours to somebody,
and I don't know who. I don't think i'll ever
find that out, but I find that to be very
suspicious that he went to somebody's house and just sat
on their table and used their phone without permission. But
people were terrified of them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Okay, John all right, the people that you've contacted, don't
they find it unusual that they were never interviewed?

Speaker 10 (01:19:07):
And I'm sure they do. She said that he wasn't
received very well after my mom's death, and he moved
out of Morgantown.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
All right. I think that I think the real kicker
is the you know, not to get into specifics, but
I think the you know, you you've developed a lot
of information, and you have information that is indicative of
a motive, yes, which has led to other not this case,

(01:19:44):
but that particular motive had has got has resulted in
you know, a serious bodily harmed other people. So in
other cases, you know what I mean. So it's not
a in no, is it a stretch. It's a uh,
you've developed a motive, a motive for him to have

(01:20:06):
done this. Now, as Indiana State Police have they ah
recontacted you subsequent to your face to face they did.

Speaker 10 (01:20:19):
They reached out and asked for the contact information for Virginia, UH,
so they can interview her.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Now have you have you kept them up to date
or Indiana State Police as to what you're doing or or.

Speaker 10 (01:20:42):
They ask They normally talk very often. I did let
them know like any updates that I had, and I
haven't spoken to them since that time outside of just
giving them her contact information. I did call and leave
a voicemail on Monday just to let them know that

(01:21:04):
there was a high response to the story airing and
that I would like to discuss some of the information
with him. I didn't hear.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Back yet, though, Okay, so we're gonna we'll try to
run that next week, this story. So it's just mind
boggling to me. I mean, I don't know about you guys,
but you know, you've got a concerned victim because you're

(01:21:40):
a victim, Jen, You're a victim of this who's doing
everything she can with incredible tenacity, contacting people that should
have been interviewed before. You'd think the Indiana State Police
would be in contact with you on a regular basis,

(01:22:01):
or at least you know, have some game plan. You know,
you're you've got a concerned victim investigating a case that
you should have investigated before. I mean, you know, it's
just frustrating for me to understand. Did you guys have

(01:22:22):
any thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Greg?

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I think you said it perfectly and uh, very very
to the point. I mean it's it's frustrating to hear
Jen's story. And you know what our agency has done
to us over the years when it's come to investigations
of these types. You know, we we investigate a non
attended death just like it's a homicide. Yeah, I mean,

(01:22:50):
the stacks of paper that we develop off those kinds
of investigations is amazing. And then the death review boards.
So I mean, and and we were doing that when
this had happened. I mean, we just got into digital photography.
That's the of thing that's changed. So so yeah, it's
it's it's very frustrating to hear that. And as John

(01:23:11):
said before, I mean, you know, you're an awesome individual
for doing what you're doing and and and putting the
light on it and drawing people's attention to it. And
and John said that you know you are a victim
of this. We all see that you aren't a victim
because you're not letting yourself be a victim.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
That's very Oh that's true. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Well, I believe John said the tenacity to get you
the truth, and that's what it is, because we're looking
decades later and you're getting answers to questions that should
have been expectant, you know. I mean, it seems like
an awesome cover up to me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
I'm like that, I feel I'm embarrassed. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
And like Greg just said, you know, whether it's a homicide,
I think I touched on a little bit earlier, accidental drowning,
whatever there would still be, we would still handle the
investigation the same. I've had investigations that was suicide I
handled as homicide, and I had homicide investigation to turn
out to be suicide, but I had so it doesn't

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make a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
But you've got to do the work, yes, you know,
And that's what's lacking here. I mean I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Maybe intentionally, John, maybe intentionally, I mean, yeah, you can share.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
You're removed from the circumstance time wise, and actually people wise.
Your your entity, your investigative entity, is not attached to
this event. Why wouldn't why wouldn't you, you know, pursue

(01:24:59):
it with the information that that she's developed, I mean,
she continues to develop, and she was gonna end up
solving it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
I don't know. I mean what she just said was
she said that she found out that her mom found
out that there may have been some some corruption going
on with this guy. And then you have the sheriff
going out to interview someone who was not a NYE witness,
but to try to maybe find dirt or some sort

(01:25:27):
of information. I don't know what he was trying to
do with your mother's friend to see what she knew.
And all of a sudden, you can't find a binder
with any information in it, not even a sketch notepad.
It's just too many questions for me right now that
I didn't have when I first met you. Be quite

(01:25:49):
honest with you, j You know, you came on you
said your mom has as you committed suicide, which you
didn't believe it decades ago, and we heard your story.
But the more you come to us, these question should
have been asked and they have not been asked. And
I go back to what John said, that your tenacity
may get to the truth in regarding your mother.

Speaker 10 (01:26:10):
Yeah, I'm feeling hopeful. Every day I get new friend
requests from people in Morgantown, and I'm learning something new
every day, and I'm feeling very hopeful that I will
get to the bottom of it. I do have one
person I need to speak with and that was the
female present on Saturday before my mom died. I need

(01:26:33):
to figure out how to approach her because I don't
feel ill toward her. I don't. I'm not upset that
she didn't stick up for my mom. I mean, realistically,
she was probably terrified and was too scared to speak
up for my mom and just sat there and play cards.
Not much of a choice given what was going on

(01:26:56):
with my mother at the time. But I do have
her information, have had it for a couple of days,
and I've just been kind of sitting on it because
I'm unsure on how to approach her.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
I'm sure that you will find a way. I'm sure.
I'm sure you will find a way. You know, it's
almost you know, you've described a hostage situation with a
subsequent motive. That's mind blowing that that should have been

(01:27:33):
discovered like a long time ago. The whole thing is
appalling and it's embarrassing to the law enforcement. I hate
to say that, I mean, but it is, And you know,
I just I just hope they you know, they wake up.

(01:27:53):
You know, I realize that they're busy, everybody's busy, but
you know, you get these cases and you're going to
do somewhere, you know what I mean. So, Jenna, I
really appreciate you taking the time to be with us,
and you know, we'll stay in touch and as you progress,

(01:28:13):
as this thing progresses, which I'm sure I will, we
want to be able to bring that to the attention
of people are probably in the same situation and don't
have enough uh wh's to uh you know, and enough
tenacity to you know, do what you're doing. So it's

(01:28:35):
a noble cause of epic proportion. I can't think of,
you know, I can't think of any greater calling to
be able to well.

Speaker 10 (01:28:43):
I would be happy to help anybody that may find
themselves in a position to where they don't know where
to start, because I didn't know where to start, and
looking back, I now know like what that process looks like,
but I definitely didn't at the time. And so if
there's anybody else that needs a little bit of guidance
or somebody to talk to, I'm here again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Her website is Justice for the Number four Everyfamily dot org,
and you know she's had some incredible articles not only
on your case but other issues that are outstanding. So Jen,
keep us up to date and we'll have you back

(01:29:27):
as as as you go forward.

Speaker 10 (01:29:30):
Okay, okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Thank you, thank you. So okay, uh, we're trying to
get ed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
I'll get there was an update on the copies and
stable one person because it looks like the shooting was
at a high school.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Of Chris What high school Overbrook? Wow? Christ? What's the
name of the you know, I tried to describe the
high school on Broad Street? What's the name of that high.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
School that's gone? It depends on what part abroad. You
can be talking about girls how or you can be
talking about William Penn, or you can talk about Ben Franklin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Or I mean the one that looks like a prison.
Well they all look like prisons, don't they. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
The only one that looks like that I can think
of is you in South Philly, And I think that's
cost that's not southern. They might be southern.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
It's on the it's on the right hand side as
you're going north on Broad Street.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Nader at or where are you at?

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
You know where the steakeout is there used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Spot headquarters.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
No, No, okay, the park is on your left as
you go up Broad Street and then the VET.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
And all the Oh you're in South Philly. Yeah yeah
that Oh shoot, that actually changed into the High School
of the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Performing Southern High School.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Yeah it might be Southern.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Yeah. God, what a advertisement. Never to go to co
never go to high school. God, that's horrible, absolutely horrible. Okay,
So I understand, Uh, our other guest attorney at Poltic

(01:31:37):
is really up to his neck putting fires out legal
fires out this afternoon, and we're trying to get him back.
He was on for just a minute. I know he's
trying to put fires out. So Bill, what's uh? Can
you bring up Ed's website anyway? Okay, yeah, yeah, hopefully

(01:32:02):
Ed'll be with us. It's Edward ed Paul Poltic, and
he's from Buckner Law and he's in the He went
to Cornell Law School and there was I think he
went to Vanderbilt too. Can you bring that down a Bill,

(01:32:24):
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Some information.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yeah, I'm just gonna say when I saw that, oh
we have Ed Ed, Bill, can you bring that up?

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Ed?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
How are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:32:37):
Great to see you, Yeah, John likewise, wonderful to see you, Greg, Jake,
very nice to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Hey, So did you went to Vanderbilt.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
Right, that's right, the great city of Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Oh my god. So, uh, you know last week we
talked about problems in Nashville with the I don't know
how long ago were you in Vanderbilt.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
I graduated in two thousand and six, and I was
actually not back to Nashville until this past January.

Speaker 6 (01:33:13):
I happened to be there for a few days.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Yeah. So apparently there's been a rash of missing males
in Nashville and drink spiking, of epidemic really yeah, of
epidemic proportions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
There was a hockey player that was at what's the
name Greg what's the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Name of that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Oh, we're talking about the Nashville Predators.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
And he was found his phone was found near the river,
and his body, while still living, was found thirty miles away.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
Bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Yeah, very bizarre.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
I've actually I've only I've only known Nashville to be
a great town. So, uh, this is the.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
First, this is the first I've heard of it. That's bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah. Taylor Taylor, Bolina Taylor, and he disappeared from the
Jason Aldean's board.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:34:26):
That's so that's uh that's interesting. You know, I saw
I saw Jason Aldean perform at the Liberty Ball in
Washington after the inauguration. I saw him perform live, and
he performed try That in a Small Town, which is
one of my favorite songs because it drives the libs nuts,

(01:34:49):
especially when he especially when he says I've got a
gun that my granddaddy gave me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Exactly. So you know, you were recently at the National
Rifle Association conference, right speak.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
Yeah, that was one. Yeah, that was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Yeah, and now we reported later previously that you're part
of Duke Law schools uh gun.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
Well, I presented.

Speaker 7 (01:35:23):
I presented an academic paper that I wrote about red
flag laws. Last last year, there was like an academic roundtable.
I'm not affiliated with the Duke you're thinking of the
Duke the Firearms Policy Law Center, but there was there
was a roundtable event there and I did get a
chance to present.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Thank god, thank we had.

Speaker 7 (01:35:49):
That was quite an interesting conference because we had some
scholarly work both pro and con on the Second Amendment.
I was obviously on the pro side, but there was
some interesting papers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Oh I can't imagine, Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
Yeah. One of them was one of them was about
firearms and hip hop music.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Great, you know you said, I mean, you said, try
us in a small town. That's part of the problem.
Since the last time you've been back to Nashville, a
lot of Libs is running to Nashville and screwing the
place up.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Yeah, you know Nashville, right, Nashville has uh has that
bit of that democratic ben which is a shame because
you know, Tennessee is a.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
Is right now one of the best states to live in.

Speaker 7 (01:36:42):
But you know, absolutely it's anytime you have a big city,
you're going to have Democrats. But Tennessee, more broadly is.

Speaker 6 (01:36:54):
Is on fire. One of the best red states to
live in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Yes, yeah, actually Greg lives in Tennessee. He's coming with
coming to us from Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
He's not a liberal.

Speaker 6 (01:37:08):
Yes, I love I love, I love Tennessee.

Speaker 7 (01:37:11):
Tennessee has got to be one of the best places
in America to live, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
And you have had people that haven't seen you with
us before. It is an incredible attorney and uh tenacity
of epic proportion, and uh a success of epic proportion.
And he recently had a uh uh a terrific success

(01:37:38):
in uh rural Western.

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
New York, the town of Leroy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Yes, very everybody will be familiar with that if you're
in western New York. Uh, the town of Leroy is
located between uh, Buffalo, just generally between Buffalo and Rochester,
that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:38:02):
And anyway, they've got a they've got a they've got
a good little uh, they've got a good little racket
going over there, where they confiscate the personal property of
their citizens.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Can you can you tell us about that case?

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:38:22):
Absolutely, with uh, with great great pleasure. I represent Stephen Weber,
who has a fairly large i'd call it industrial slash
rural zoned property. And at the property, he had several
hundred automobiles and many of them were absolute classics, classics,

(01:38:51):
you know, like sixty seven Impala, you know, like just
incredible Ponty Pontiacs from the nineteen forties and fifties. Yeah,
just incredible cars. And Steve wanted to open a vintage

(01:39:12):
automobile museum.

Speaker 6 (01:39:14):
And how cool is that? That's really cool.

Speaker 7 (01:39:17):
And I will tell you these cars they were bothering nobody.

Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
Nobody could see these cars from the road.

Speaker 7 (01:39:27):
It's like a it's a forest, it's the middle it's
the middle of nowhere. So what ended up happening is
the town of Leroy. They started this absolutely disgusting, malicious,
appalling campaign of harassment against Steve. They started sending him
letters about you know, the buildings on your property are

(01:39:50):
in dangerous condition, your cars are causing a nuisance, terrible harassment.
Long story, very short. They reached a settlement, and the
settlement was basically, he's going to move the.

Speaker 6 (01:40:08):
Cars or out of view.

Speaker 7 (01:40:10):
He's going to move the cars away from the road,
by the way, not that they were bothering anyone, not
that he was doing anything wrong. He agreed to just
move them a little bit deeper into his property. No problem. Okay,
some time passes, another year passes, it's twenty twenty two.
The town unilaterally and extra judicially decides that Steve did

(01:40:36):
not comply with the stipulation.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
It was a state court stipulation. So now, if you're
the town.

Speaker 7 (01:40:43):
There's only one thing that you're legally permitted to do here.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
You got to go to court.

Speaker 7 (01:40:49):
If you are contending that Steve did not move his
vehicles deeper into the property, get a court order.

Speaker 6 (01:40:56):
Get a court order. That is actually not what the town.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
What the town did is they just showed up one
day again complete extra judicial, no due process. They show
up with flatbed trucks and they seized one hundred and
ninety vehicles. So they seize one hundred and ninety vehicles,
they move them to this auction house property and they

(01:41:24):
hold them.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
Then they take the.

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
Position that Steve Weber is incurring storage fees of fifty
dollars per day per car, and this is for this
is for the vehicles, for the automobiles that they stole
from Steve. So they steal his cars, and on top
of that, they're contending that he now has to pay
storage fees. So finally we get to a point about

(01:41:51):
a month ago where we get wind that they're going
to auction off.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
All of the vehicles.

Speaker 7 (01:41:58):
By the way, By the way, they're not going to
auction off the cars and share the money with Steve.
They're gonna just they're gonna pocket the money. So so
the town is they're gonna sell his car, which, by
the way, his cars are worth millions of dollars millions,
and I'll tell you more about them. So they're going
to auction off the vehicles and pocket the proceeds, and

(01:42:19):
they're going to claim that they can pocket the proceeds
because of the storage fees, which of course they're only
paying storage fees because they stole his vehicles.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
So we so we're in federal court. We go into federal.

Speaker 7 (01:42:35):
Court and we get a temporary restraining order halting the auction,
and I sent them a cease and desist letter and
I said, mark my words, if you auction off.

Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
These vehicles, we are going to sue you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:52):
For punitive damages up to your eyeballs, and every single
town official who was involved in this travesty of an
auction is going to be named personally.

Speaker 6 (01:43:00):
In this lawsuit.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
So all of a sudden, on the auction website, like
two hours later where it showed pictures of the cars
for auction, all of a sudden it says auction suspended
due to court order. Now, now that was before a
court order was issued. That was just from the cease
and desist letter. So the next morning, next morning they
come to court, they greeted the temporary restraining order. Long

(01:43:24):
story short, we do have a temporary restraining order in
place stopping the auction. We are going to court on
May twenty eighth in Rochester to argue the preliminary injunction
to make sure that they do not auction off his vehicles.
They are now claiming, by the way, they are now
claiming that Steve Weber owes them over twelve million dollars

(01:43:47):
in storage fees to store the vehicles that they stole
from his property without a court order.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Wow, jeezus, oh we go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yes, and and I guarantee you where they have the
vehicle store is closer to the road where they wear
at mister Weber's pleae.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:44:14):
Definitely. I wonder if they're trying to take his property
as well. I mean, are they trying to rezone him?

Speaker 10 (01:44:22):
Ed?

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Are the vehicles closer to the road where they at
for auction versus where they was at mister Weber's property?

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:44:29):
Oh, great, great question one at Oh oh oh, and oh,
let me tell you something. Oh, I forgot the best part,
the best part of this entire story right across the
street from the property. So so right across the street
from Steve Weber's property where they were telling him that

(01:44:53):
his cars were causing a nuisance.

Speaker 6 (01:44:55):
Do you know what the neighboring property is it's a
it's a it's a Chevy dealership.

Speaker 7 (01:45:06):
And by and by and by the way, we haven't
even had discovery. We haven't even had discovery in this case.

Speaker 6 (01:45:12):
But let me tell you something.

Speaker 7 (01:45:14):
How much do you want to bet that the company
to which the town supposedly owes the storage fees? How
much do you want to bet that we are going
to uncover some kind of connection between someone in that company.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
And someone in the town.

Speaker 12 (01:45:32):
I'm just saying, absolutely, God man, ah, well, so you
kind of want to you know, interestingly, you have another
huge case in western New York with you know, the
order of Orchard Park School District and uh, mister de.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Niro, so and that's ongoing, but it's atrocious. What's your fight?
The the acts against human beings that you are going
after and attacking are outstanding. I mean, it's those two

(01:46:13):
cases themselves. And he would anybody would find appalling.

Speaker 6 (01:46:19):
Robbie de Niro, Yes, yes, I love a though.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:46:26):
By the way, by the way, may I remind you
they had Robbie arrested because he sent an email to
the principal of the school asking if he could participate
in the kindergarten ice cream event.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Oh my god, you know between arrested being arrested for
emails regarding kindergarten ice cream events and you know, getting
your vehicles stolen from your stolen from your property.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Nowhere complied, he said, okay, I'm working with you guys.
You said that close here, I'll move them back. But
that wasn't good enough. You Even if I said, I'm
going to let you guys push my arm, even though
he didn't happen, he said, I'll go back, and they
said that's not good enough. Give us another twelve million
dollars in your.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
Car by but by the way, but it's no problem
for the Chevy dealership across the street. And also there's oh,
by the way, there's also a limousine company nearby. Oh wow,
how much?

Speaker 6 (01:47:30):
And by the way, how much do you want to
how much do you want to bet?

Speaker 7 (01:47:33):
We're going to explore the connections to those businesses too.

Speaker 13 (01:47:36):
Yes, yeah, And we've got about four minutes left.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Is there any other cases that you can tell us
about without receiving hate mail?

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
Zero? No?

Speaker 7 (01:47:55):
No, okay, have we talked about the Donald Willie case?

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
No, Well, we don't have much time left on this segment.
But I just want to tell you it should be
the subject of a future.

Speaker 6 (01:48:12):
A future episode.

Speaker 7 (01:48:15):
You know this isn't Maryland, you know, Donald, you.

Speaker 6 (01:48:19):
Know this is long story short.

Speaker 7 (01:48:22):
Donald Willie is a highly decorated United States Marine retired
and he lives on a very very small island in
the Chesapeake in Maryland where most of the folks who
live there were talking about families that date back to

(01:48:44):
the Revolutionary War. Wow, and you know these are folks
who are making their living, you know, fishing, crabbing. It's
actually a beautiful place. He has had this ongoing I'm
talking over a decade, the long running battle with local
corrupt zoning officials. And let me tell you they have

(01:49:06):
had a heart on for him for a very very
long time. And they keep hammering him with zoning violations.
You know, for example, your grass is too high, or
your fence is in disrepair. They put him in jail,
they give him criminal citations. So finally they got so

(01:49:28):
exasperated because they couldn't bring Donnie to heal. Donnie Willie
refused to buckle under their pressure, and he kept fighting
them in court. So finally local zoning officials they made
up a fake red flag case against Donnie you know, right, right,

(01:49:52):
So they filed a red flag petition. Get this, they
filed a red flag petition and they said, Donnie will
is threatening to shoot up our zoning office and our
zoning officials. You have to take away his guns. So
they come. So the police come, They confiscate his firearms

(01:50:12):
and ammunition. They force him to undergo an involuntary mental
health examination, at the conclusion of which the hospital says, surprise,
he's fine. So he then goes to court. He goes
to court twelve days later. Of course, they got the
red flag order ex part day.

Speaker 6 (01:50:31):
So he shows up to court.

Speaker 7 (01:50:33):
The zoning inspector shows up to court, and this time
when she has to testify under oath with Donnie Willie
there to confront her, what do you think she does?

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
She drops the case.

Speaker 7 (01:50:46):
She says, oh, it was as it was a mistake.
We've worked out a communication agreement with his lawyer. And
I'm thinking, so, I'm thinking, wait a second, hold on,
you said twelve days ago that this guy was prepared
to go on a shooting rampage. So you're just coming
in and dropping it must not have been very serious. Yeah,

(01:51:10):
And of course the way, by the way at the time,
at the time they said he's threatening a shooting rampage.

Speaker 6 (01:51:14):
Of course they didn't call the police or anything. So
we have sued.

Speaker 7 (01:51:19):
This is the County of Dorchester and their zoning officials,
the Attorney General of Maryland, and the sheriff. We sued
them in the United States District Court for the District
of Maryland. We are seeking damages for violating his first, second,
and fourth Amendment rights, and we are seeking to have
the Maryland red flag laws struck down as unconstitutional.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
That's how outstanding.

Speaker 7 (01:51:45):
United States Marine again decorated United States Marine with over
twenty five years by the way, combat veteran combat. And
this is how they This is how they treat Donnie Willie.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
To wrap. We gotta have you back to tell us
more about that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
I'm looking it up as you would, talking.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
Wow wow, and again I appreciate take Can I.

Speaker 6 (01:52:11):
Can I say? Can I just say one last thing?

Speaker 7 (01:52:14):
Next time we're on, I'll tell you more about all
of the exquisite vintage cars that Steve Weber has.

Speaker 6 (01:52:20):
But I want to just say this in ten seconds
or less.

Speaker 7 (01:52:22):
The Steve Weber case reminds me of my cousin Vinnie.
When they get Marissa Tomae on the witness stand and
she says it could not have been a sixty nine
Buick Skylark. Well, we have cars like that, right, right, exactly. Anyway,
I know, I know you got to run. But I
love you, guys, and it was great being on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Thank you very much. I got to have you back.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, bye bye bye bye.
Thanks guys, Thank you,

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