They're Political Prisoners

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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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(01:15):
And our producer today is Bill. Thanks Bill for helping
us out. What are we going to cover today? The
title of this episode is They're Political Prisoners with special
guests Lacy Lunsford and Matthew or Street in regard to
the officer Brad Lunsford debacle in New Mexico and Howard

(01:39):
Richardson who was in prison for two years as a
result of January sixth, so we'll be talking to him
in the second hour. So we're going to talk about
political prisoners j six corruption in Washington, d C. And
New Mexico. Luncer update. A black journalist rips the white

(02:04):
savior in Philadelphia State Supreme Court versus Larry Krasner Landside,
Larry cuts back on campaign efforts. The Zorros District attorneys
declined to make charges. To bring charges. Who is the

(02:24):
new Pope? By the way, Democrat judges and trenda ragua
a gang, and a reminder to start baying your student allowance. Right, So,
let me tell you who we've got so far. We've
got Detective Jake Jacobs from Philadelphia on the side and

(02:45):
the Afster involved shooting Unit. We usually have investigative reporter
Rolph Cipriano from He's a former staff writer of the
Los Angeles Times and now defunct Philadelphia Inquiry. Writes for
the for Big Trial and for news Week occasionally, but

(03:06):
apparently he's at a trial today for Jake. You know
who he's on trough. He's at the trial, right, Maurice Hill.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
He's the guy who was shooting with an assault rifle.
Had about a hundred police officers in Philly back in
August of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You're right, and he was on the phone with the
he was.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
On the phone with Larry and the defense attorney and
they got a problem here.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
John, We're going to discuss this, so we'll talk. We'll
touch on that, but that's the trial that Ralph's in.
I'm John Steddan, a veteran NCI especially And then we
have our correspondent from Tennessee, also a veteran NCI, especially
agent Greg Islands.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So the weather's great, right now.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Great, okay, So let me run through a couple of
these things quick. This is Tom or Tim Wallace's, you know,
the former VP running mate of This is his daughter talking.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
If Jesus were lives today and in the United States,
this administration would have already taken him and removed him
from this country without due process. Claimed he was a
member of the MS thirteen gang as a way to
try to justify not giving him due process, as the

(04:41):
as if there is any justifiable reason to not giving
somebody due process. But yeah, some people don't want to
talk about that. It truly is baffling how clear and
laid out everything is and there is still people standing
by it.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
I believe in the good of people.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
And like humanity humans, you know, deep down at our core,
like we care about each other. But that's really being
tested because how anyone is okay with this is terrifying
to me.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
But yeah, if you look like.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Me, speak up, speak out, because we might be the
only one safe from what's coming and some of the
only people that are able to stop it. So yeah,
it's our duty at this point, Okay, is she in.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
A person jumps to does she speak out when it
when when a dad was governor and it was burning
down Minneapolis, right and not given and not giving those
offices due process?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Okay, exactly, Okay, she reade reference to Jesus, right, Jesus
and the pope died, right. Okay, how about this? Did
you read that? Yeah? Exactly. I mean, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Would not I would just offer my condolences.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
To the pope.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Other than that, I don't have too much more to say.
It's gonna probably be kind.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, Greg, you have anything to say about the.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Nothing?

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Nothing, But again, you know, yes, you.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Know I do have something to say real quick about that.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I didn't meet him, and I was within inches of
him due to you know I have when he was
in Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (06:51):
But I still wonder.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, I think this was a problem with him
even being pope because of the way that Benedict was removed.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
You know that that never happened before.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And then you get this, this is this globalist type
pope who everyone says straight away a little bit from
the church.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
So first Benedict goes, it's just too much was going
on at the same time throughout the world, and I'll
leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah. Well, I don't know. I'd like to say something
that I want.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
You know, you can say it that I listen.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I said, I wasn't gonna say anything I did, so
don't leave me out there by myself.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah. Well she was right on the money when she
said that the video.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
You're being I give him, like, you know, my condolences.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
You know, when he first came in as the Pope,
I was really kind of excited because he had some
really good ideas. I actually wrote some of them down
and a journal that I had and and then it
just went downhill from there as far as his ideas.
And I'm not and I'm not Catholic, but I was.
I landed my first day, I think it was my

(08:02):
first week in our European Office, which is based in Naples, Illaly,
when Pope John Paul passed away, and then I was
working when Pnedict uh, when Pope Benedict was was starting
his service, and he was kind of radical, and he
said he had said some things about Islam while he
was there that keyed off some some possible retaliation from

(08:26):
some terrorist groups while we were I was working, but
he wrote some great books. He was a scholar, he
really wasn't he really he was. He was more of
a scholar. This guy, this Poe France, was more more
of a people person, more more, more of charismatic and
willing to bend, bend a lot of the church rules.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
Yeah, that both of us. Great?

Speaker 8 (08:55):
What's that you said?

Speaker 7 (08:57):
That?

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Better to be a job?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, it's difficult, It's really difficult. John heard me go
off a little bit yesterday. Yeah, yeah, I will put
your listeners today.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
All is the new pope? Do they decide yet?

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I just saw a really good one that Keith Richards
might be the next pope?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Really okay? So okay, deranged Democrats? How about this guy?

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Were you aware of kill Maher's domestic violence on his
record and.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
The human traffickers that everything should be presented to the
federal district court? Okay? Sorry?

Speaker 7 (09:42):
Wrong?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay? So, And about student loans and Biden's bullshit.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
In other news, the Trump administration has announced we will
put an end to Joe Biden's legal student loan bailout attempts.
No student loan has been referred to collections since March
of twenty.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
That comes to an end on May.

Speaker 9 (10:02):
Fifth, the Department of Education will resume involuntary collections for
borrowers with defaulted federal student loans. The student loan portfolio
controlled by the federal government is nearly one point six
trillion dollars, but fewer than four out of ten borrowers
are in repayment. This is unsustainable, unfair, and a huge
liability for American taxpayers. Debt cannot be wiped away. It

(10:27):
just ends up getting transferred to others. So why should
Americans who didn't go to college or went to college
and responsibly paid back their loans pay for the student
loans of other Americans. The Trump administration will never force
taxpayers to pay student loan debts that don't belong to them.
Student loan borrowers need clarity, and we're finally giving it
to them. Borrowers will now be clearly expected to repay

(10:49):
their loans, and those who default on their loan obligations
will face involuntary collections. The government can and will collect
defaulted federal student loan debt by withholding money from borrowers
to tax refunds, federal pensions, and even their wages. America is
thirty six trillion dollars in debt. We must get our
physical house in order and restore common sense to our country.

(11:09):
If you take out a loan, you have to pay
it back.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
It's very simple.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
President.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, yeah, correct, I didn't know. I don't give a
shit about that, other than they should pay it back.
I mean, I went to college on the gipill, same
thing with Greg right, so you know, and the GI
bill is a much better now than we got it. Yeah. Anyway,

(11:36):
it's interesting that a lot of colleges, for instance, like
Brent Athan I think, and just north of Philly it's
a Christian college, they are downsizing and they got rid
of all their athletic events, all their athletic teams. And
then Limestone in North Carolina they're shutting down at the

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end of a spring, just shutting down the whole university.
So I don't know what the hell is going on
with that anyway. Okay, so let's cover some of these
things from Ralph before before Lacey. We get Lacy. So apparently, Jake,

(12:26):
do you know about this, a black journalist ripped a
white savior.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, he he, he's trying to make a name for himself.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
I think he's personally a fraud.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
He was out there journalist or Krasner, well both both,
but the journalist is MAP because they were supposed to
have some sort of candidate from and Krasner backed out.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
But this guy was also pro George Floyd. He was pro.
He was pro Michael White.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, I think he actually said that Michael White. And
Michael White comes in with the with the guy in Texas.
It's a similar case. I don't know if you follow
a missheaton on on on Twitter. Yeah, but her fiance
was stabbed to death and Krasner and Vida and them

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got together and they got Michael White. They worked out
this little deal probably what they're doing with this current case. Also,
they worked out this deal with the guy who it
was the first murder case.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
They gave him a less charge. We end up walking
out with probation.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
And this journalist that that Ralph wrote about said that
Michael White could have been you or me, you know,
playing the race card. And he was also justice for
David Jones, which is the Panell case.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
So he's a like I said, he wanted to get
his name up in lights.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
He got pissed off because kras didn't give an opportunity
to get his name up the lights, which is a
lot of cross I've done a lot of black journalists
and black lawyers, defense attorneys wrong. And after they after
he did him wrong, when they realized who he was,
he is, who you think he is, then they want
to call him a racist after the fact. You can't
call him a racist after he kills two thousand people

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or cause the murder of two thousand people while being
laxed on crimes and wild wise and everything else on.
So I know Ralph wrote that this guy called him out,
but I don't like either one of them.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I understand, And uh, you know, if you're not familiar
with it, we're talking about Larry Krasner, the Zorros installed
district attorney in Philadelphia. Okay, so what about the Supreme
Court State of the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (14:48):
Well versus Hilary.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
This is what I believe, you know this. I believe
this is the King's Bench petition that we're talking about here.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I think what's happened ning is which everybody in Philadelphia
and everybody throughout this country were gonna have lacy on
in a minute.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
But this is a racketeering outfit by all these Zoros
installed district attorneys and politicians. You know, that's and you
know that's why I was bringing.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Up the pope and being installed too, you know, and
Bennegart stepping down.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
But getting back to point.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Here is every case Larry has let out or challenged
over one hundred cases per Raph's article, one hundred and
eight per Ralph's article.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Now something's going wrong here.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Either there needs to be a criminal investigation because every
case that was looked at by any court, and this
is part of my filing is also which is my
recent filing, which is right in front of the at
the third Circuit, last level of the third Circuit before
it goes to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
If they deny me.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
But every court that looked at Larry Krasm's quote unquote exonerations.
You know, lawyers who use this term instead of calling
people a liar, they say lack candor.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yes, ahead of them saying.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Something else, They say the evidence was wanting. That means
there was no evidence. That means you're a liar, you know,
saying in the language that everyone understands.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
So the courts now say that all these exonerations.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
By Krashner is either lack candor or or is wanting,
which means it's a last So you're a liar without
any evidence, but you're letting people out and giving them
millions of dollars.

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Here's what needs to happen. Either both of these things
can't be true.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Either Larry Krasnan is right you need to lock up
a bunch of police officers and district attorneys, or Larry
krash is lying, and it needs to be in the
Department of Justice investigation into one hundred and plus murderers
being let out of jail to kill again and to
give millions of dollars.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
And it's that's what I bring up to the Zorro stuff.
It's the same thing that lazy Lunch is.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Before you see the judge he's holding guns with tren dalegua.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, right exactly.

Speaker 6 (17:06):
Who wasn't going to lock up Bred and now locking
up Bread.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's the same stuff nationwide, whether you look at Fanny,
whether you look at Letitia, whether you look at Kim Fox,
the guy.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Letitia's getting jammed up and they just there was a
criminal referral for Andrew Cromo, Right.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
John, how do you sit back while you bringing charges
against Trump for false documents? You actually at the exact
same time signing false documents to get along.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
You can't make this stuff up, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Okay, So on the heel of you know, the the
New York State Corrections officer had to strike at correct
corrections officers has a strike and then Hooko wants earlier
release for prison they're serving time for violent offenses in
the budget deal for New York State.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
You want to take that one.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I mean, honest, said enough, I mean, violent offenders early release.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Doesn't even make any sense.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, I don't know some of these corrections. I mean,
I feel bad for them. They have to put up
with that, and then they're going to release them, and
I feel bad for us, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Well, that's what Krafts has been doing.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know, you had a couple of these guys go out,
Well they're doing with these with these dolls.

Speaker 6 (18:39):
They're going back out, they're committing crimes.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
They're not going to become librarians or accountants or doctors
or whatever. They're going back to that or well they're
followed in their leaders footsteps.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Who's he just masquerading by the way, he's so uh oh, Grid, right,
that's the guy's name walk the ride. Yes, Okay, what
the hell is he doing?

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Now? Well, we've had.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
We've had John John Felly on this show. I did
another interview. That's the same thing. Every This is how
they're doing it. Every case, they're saying that someone like
me who's a law enforcement officer either beat the confession
out of someone, or the district Attorney's office or the

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prosecutors at the time is hiding evidence. And so what
they do is they bring the case back. They say, hey,
we found that evidence was hitting, or we found this
new evidence, or we found that the confession was the worse.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
We need a new trial. So what happens when they
get in.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Front of the judt You have to say yes because
both sides are saying they need a new trial.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
So who can he go against?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
So then it gives they give him a new trial,
and Larry said, you know what, we're not going to prosecute.
You know, this is a scam. And then he calls
the City Solutions off. So the same lawyers call USA
list off, say hey, what's this caseworth?

Speaker 6 (20:03):
You know?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And they write a check and none of them has
been under one and a half million dollars. That's the
cheapest I've seen is probably one of that. No, I'm sorry,
David Jones. I think got a million. So that's what
we got. You know, you got the Menindez brothers out here. Also,
you know Larry went to California before Gascone got kicked

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out of office.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
They hatched this plan for the new trial. Larry and Gascon.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's the same m And I'm tired of these Republicans
and I'm tired. You know, we got cash near, we
got pay him in there. Enough with this BS. You
either prosecute these people or you don't. You say, we
got a guest coming at three o'clock, Jay six guy. Yeah,
they kept these people in jail for four years.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well there's still some that a's still in there.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Right to ask.

Speaker 6 (20:59):
Meanwhile, you got this trader going over to El Salvador.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know you keep saying, hey, they're not related. Well
this guy was a human trafficker. Who's to say he
didn't bring the person because he was coming from Texas
to Maryland. Who's to say he didn't traffic the person
who killed Rachel.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Morin l Man. We don't know that. We know he
was bringing people illegally into our country. And bringing up
to Maryland.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
We know that Rachel Warren was killed in Maryland. We
know that this guy that quote unquote Maryland man who
has MS thirteen tattooed all over his stuff, all of
his stuff, you know, we got his I'm tired of
people with these strongly worded letters. You know, Trump, hang
up the phone with somebody. He's impeach all these other guys.

(21:50):
Got these investigations going on. We still don't know who
shot him in the darn head. You got a person
standing behind him taking proof of life for those who
supposedly works for the FBI, and we don't know whether
they work for the FBI or not.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
And we don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
We don't have the video or the photos that they
were taking. And it's business July. We gotta listen. They're
gonna try to wait Trump out. They're gonna wait this
four years out, and then we're gonna really.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Be up up. You know what what.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
About the uh, the Defense Department Advisory Committee holdovers from
the Biden administration. Yeah, they're apparently well, Susan Rice is
part of it right now. So I mean they're trying to,
you know, screw Trump's you know momentum by backing that off,

(22:48):
back in trying to back it off.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
So we've all conducted investigations. You have people living outside
of DC. We all saw Joe Biden in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, or whenever the case be big. We know
he didn't have any of his marbles. Then now you're
hearing about this auto pin stuff. Who's signing this stuff?
I mean, you know, they got some crap out here

(23:09):
about due process for a terrorist. Since the president kling
MS thirteen the terrorists organization, he's a terrorist, right, you know,
he's no different than al Qaida or anyone else. And
you got people flying over the El Salvador. But meanwhile,
like I said, we don't know who shot Trump in
the back of the head. We don't know anything about

(23:30):
this damn auto pen. You know, where was Roberts at
when everybody was coming in the country. But now everybody
you're trying to get the hell out of here. Now
they want to hold special midnight sessions. The only one
got balls in the Supreme Court is Alito and Thomas.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I'll agree with that, that's for sure. Jesus. Anyway, so
you know, I don't know what the what do you
have any thoughts on the guys that were fired from
the Department of Defense for leaking.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Over the signal deal?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, you know, things have evolved so much since I've
worked in you know, using signal and well in our
day was Gmail. Gmail was actually more secure than most
of the emails we had, and there were a lot
of government officials using Gmail. You had President Obama command
he wanted a secret level BlackBerry, which the BlackBerry platform

(24:32):
was the weakest one we had. Then you have you know,
the one that still gets me is Hillary Clinton with
her own private servers and her basement. I mean, after
working counterintelligence for you know, a couple of decades, I've
never heard that one. I mean, and the people that
she had servicing or servers in her basement were foreign

(24:52):
nationals from my understanding, and that was tough.

Speaker 8 (24:56):
Tough.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
I mean, so what I saw on the signal stuff
is that it wasn't what I what I what I
read was not stuff that I would consider classify because
you're after hours, you don't have a group platform to
textas say hey, the thing's done, we're doing the thing.

(25:19):
It's happening. All the other four one wasn't wasn't there.
It wasn't like ship by name is launching these amount
of missiles at this geographic specific location that would make
it classified. It was just kind of stupid that you
would have a journalist in that group and some of
the other folks that were in the group. That's pretty,

(25:41):
you know, pretty stupid to have that. But the fact
that I don't know how many years I'm gonna screw
his name up, Pete Heggs, that's been out of government
service and then boom, I'm the Secretary of Defense. You
can expect stupid things like that, right, And it's not

(26:01):
the first time that's happened. It's just they're bringing it
up now because they want to They want a story
to sidetrack people while the things are going on. That's
kind of my opinion on it. Yeah, that platform.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Shut it down during the easter.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You have to ask who owns it? Who owns signal?
If you're going to use a commercial, non government contracted entity,
anybody has access to signal, I use it, who owns it?
That's the question you have to ask because regardless of
how encrypted it is, whoever owns that you can get

(26:42):
access to it via human beings yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, this brings up another thing because I have
a couple of cases involving this right now. The uh
you know, Snapchat says that if they use Snapchat, the
kids think that if they use Snapchat or it disappears
in a certain period of time. And then Instagram started

(27:06):
to think called vanish, which never really vanishes. So yeah,
you know, kids, wake up. Man.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
You know when you used to do these stuff with
the when you call yourself deleting the disc like an
f DIC type situation. We know if you just scratch
over that one time, it can be recovered, five times,
it can be recovered. You know, you have to go
over a minimum and it's not deleting it, it's overwriting

(27:35):
it so that you can't and you have to release
all these layers. So if you think that you can
use Snapchat single or anything else or what you said, John,
you're kidding yourself. It's like what Greg said, why is
a private danity involved with something like this? I would
believe that the real secure stuff is being done by

(27:58):
real secure people and not the eye two people writing.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah right, anyway, kids, you know you think your snapchats disappear,
No they don't. And if you're using Instagram, vanish, they
don't disappear, you might vanish, Yeah, exactly, so you know,
keep that in mind. Okay, So all right, so we

(28:24):
have you know, we have talked before about the Brad
luncerd idiots, a politically motivated prosecution in New Mexico. And
we're lucky to have Lacey Lansford, Brad's wife, and Matthew

(28:44):
over Street with us today. And Matthew is not with
the cows today. What's going on?

Speaker 8 (28:56):
I'm turning it back on.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I just had to all right, okay, okay, hey, so okay,
So Matthew is the brother in law of you are
the brother in law of Okay, excellent. So I want
to clear that up because I've you know, I butchered
that really bad. So sorry about that. So but Lacy

(29:23):
I just saw and Matthew I just saw this this morning.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
Bill.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Can you bring up I think it's the second Lancard article.
The police, the National Police Association.

Speaker 10 (29:41):
Uh no, no, no, no, it's one of the.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
No, it would be earlier. No, let's see. So I
think it would be number number three if you can.
That's all you have? Okay, Well, the police National Police
Association is calling for an investigation of Raoul Torres. Right, So, Bill,

(30:24):
if you can find that there's a picture of a
raw Torres on the front of it, I think it's
number three or something like that. So but anyway, Lacy,
have they talked to you about that?

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Have they?

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (30:39):
They have, And I'm just I'm so thankful that the
NPA and and Betsy, they've been so amazing and they're
they're hopefully the DOJ responds and they do investigate.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah. You know, we've got a whole list of prosecutors
that they can rather or you know, invest investigate, right, Jake, I.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Think it should be nationwide. Elon said it. I mean,
Elon said that this all the stuff is connected. So
I think that you've got in New Mexico and everyone else.
You'll got a lot of problems going on in Mexico.
I've been following since I've been talking to you, lady,
of course, I've been following a little bit more, following
up New Mexico.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
Yeah, yeah, more, and it's all in Doniana County too.
That that the most recent event with the judge resigning
trend Dale Rogua. Huh, that's good for me to keep right, Yeah,
So what's up with that?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I mean, you've got the New Jersey governor, like you know,
with the illegal aliens, and then you've got this guy
that has the gang members of his house. What's going on? Really?

Speaker 8 (31:50):
I think what it shows is a pattern of lack
of accountability of a godlike complex that is being cultivated
by the leadership of the New Mexico Department of Justice
Raoul Torres. If you have a criminal at the top,
you have criminal elements and behaviors trickling down throughout the

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justice system. And I think that's why it's imperative that
the US v o J and the US Attorney for
the State of New Mexico immediately start investigating these characters
because clearly they're morally bankrupt, bankrupt, ethically correct.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well, how many other cases has he had besides Brad's
that he's using for political yeah, gang.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
None that I can think of.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Really, I'm trying to find that because it's you know
that that.

Speaker 8 (33:00):
Like the National Police Association stated in their letter to
their honorable BONDI that you know, Torres, the officer of
Lunsford's prosecution to National linked everything. They didn't try the
case on its merits. They simply attached it or associated

(33:22):
with national controversies and emotional reactions, right more than actually
looking at the case on its own merits and its
own actions. And he was using it as a political
gain or for his own favor.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, okay, Bill, I just emailed you that article. Maybe
you can.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
The one thing I've learned is that.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
They, you know, these lawyers and everything, they used these
special words like you know, they say controversies.

Speaker 6 (34:01):
We're talking about criminal activity here.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
And I'm sorry if I'm a little bit impatient with
Cash and Pam and all of them, you know, and
it comes to time because they're trying to run out
the clock, you know, on everything, and they got four
years of Trump and that's and that's going to be it.
The problem you have here is everybody saw what was
going on before Trump got back in the office. And

(34:25):
why you're not ready to hit the ball that's lined
up on the te I got a problem with that.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
You should already have all your homework done and you
should be able to hit the ground running and then not.
You know, they look at.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Lacy with Brad, they can look at it across the country,
not different controversies throughout the nation.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, so this article the National Police Association of course,
Federal civil rights investigation of New Mexico Attorney General Rahu Tores. Yeah. So,
uh you know, if you know about this case and
it's a miscarriage of justice, you know, call the Newmark
New Mexico AG's office, tell them what you think. And

(35:09):
call the DOJ, tell them the US d OJ, tell
them what the hell you think, because he needs to
be investigated. And Raoul, if you're listening to us, you're
more than welcome to command and explain yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, it's like Matt said, John, I mean, you got
to go to the DJ at this point, because if
Raoul is at the top, then calling the Mexico AG
is not going to do anything. Raould and get the
paper and tell all the supportinates who's going to be
scared to death to do anything.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Right, right.

Speaker 8 (35:42):
Yeah, But what he's done recently is what personally attack you, lazy.
He's personally cited some articles that I roote. You know,
he's now focused on attacking the people that are drawing
it to him, and it's quite comical. Uh So he's

(36:05):
he's playing that political game at the same time and
trying to paint uh anyone in it in Brad's corner,
or advocating on Brad's behalf as some sort of insurrectionist
or uh rebel ausers, trougble makers. And you know he's

(36:26):
trying to do damage control at the same time, but
he continues to violate constitution and violate Brad's rights and moreover,
what and this is the comical thing him openly stating
that perjury is protected under the First Amendment.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, my chair, after after I quit that, Jesus, I mean,
what do they have a play But these Zoros installed
district attorneys and attorney generals have a playbook, right, Jake.
I mean, they're all doing the same shit.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's to say, and that's why you have to I'm
I can't wait ninety more days in one hundred and
eighty more days. You know, you talk about this transgender stuff,
not to get off topic too much, but they always
say it's a ninety ten issue or it's an eighty
twenty issue.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Well, why the.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Hell do all these people keep getting voted in if
you got eighty or ninety percent of the people against
what you're doing. I mean, I'm sure Lacy didn't have
the senator from Maryland come to New Mexico and say
the brass process rights is being violated.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
He went, allay the hell. He flew right over you, Lacy, he.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
Was gordh And what a what a what a horrible
and gross misinterpretation in the Constitution that that senator and
his ignorance and lack of ability to understand and comprehend words,

(38:02):
would think that somehow that individual had due process rights
and it's and it's established in court precedent. It's not
actually in the constitution. So therefore it doesn't technically exist
if you were an originalist, it only invests in or
exists in the court theory.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, we got to realize that they just put someone
on the Supreme Court who couldn't tell you the difference
between a male and a female.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
So I know, no, trust me that I watched that
confirmation here with popcorn and a beer because it was.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, exactly, Oh my god, so lazy. How is Brad doing.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
He's good, he's home.

Speaker 11 (38:47):
They've got an inkle monitor on him, and every once
in a while when he's outside grilling, it'll go off.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
There's saying he's tampering with it. But you know, he's home.
He's happy though, it's not the meet thermometer.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
It's not to meet them.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And how are the kids.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
They're good, they're they're just we're so happy dad's home.

Speaker 11 (39:07):
It's it feels like we're finally getting back to normal.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Okay, he has an ankle monitor on, but he's getting
a new trial, correct.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
We hope.

Speaker 11 (39:17):
So so everything is on hold for now because the
ag he submitted those emergency motions to the new Mexico
Supreme Court, so it'll probably be June July before we
hear anything.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Oh my god, justice delayed.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
You know it's your team member.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh yes, unless, of course you're or trendy. So, uh,
how about the pecan farm? What's the story?

Speaker 11 (39:50):
Well, we're uh, we're waiting to water, but it's it's good.
We've got leaves already, and it's I'm excited. But I
do my vegetable garden this year though, because the boys
won't eat them, I'm the only want to eat them.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
So it's like, eh, oh geez. Okay, So right now
you're in a holding pattern, waiting for a role towards
his frivolous motions to take place. Mm hmmm, is.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
That the it's just it's just a waiting game right now.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Okay is there? You know, through the entire process of this,
you know, from inception to currently, the media as you know,
misconstrued what the hell's going on? Are they continuing this?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
There's one local girl here, Selena Madrid with k Fox.

Speaker 11 (40:48):
She has been the only one that's reached out and
has told our side of the story. But everyone else
it's it's the same old black cop or white guy
shoots black guy and just it's all race fading and
the usual.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (41:04):
One thing that's really kind of come out recently in
the social media ether is kind of follow the money,
and there's some really significant correlations that need to be
investigated between the association of the civil side, so the

(41:26):
civil attorney that's representing the family and the AG's office
and judges with campaign donations. So with the civil side,
when this law firm or entity takes on these cases,
they of course go in for the maximum insurance payout

(41:49):
and then immediately with the indictment of the officer, it
proves their case more gives it validity, and then if
a prosecution does occur, it's a shoe in win for
them and a windfall of cash, and then judges throughout

(42:10):
New Mexico and the AG's office receive campaign donations. And
not only that, was actually brought to my attention by
a number of attorneys in New Mexico that said, we
really need to focus and investigate the money trail. And so,

(42:32):
oh yeah, I know Lacey's been doing some work on that.
I haven't had a lot of time. I know there
are some other attorneys that are friends and supporters that
are also taking a look at this and speaking out
against it. Then that you know, this is another thing
that the USDOJ needs to investigate, is the camp correct

(42:55):
me if I'm wrong with Lacy. Judges in New Mexico
they're elected, men.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Are installed, but most of them are black.

Speaker 8 (43:03):
So you know, we're seeing elected judges receiving campaign kickbacks
or campaign donations from the cases that they hear, or
cases from the civil side attorneys that are gaining these
windfall insurance payouts. When it's an officer involved shooting more specifically,

(43:28):
my apologies for the elk Ring more specifically in where
it is a white cop and a black suspect at
the time. And so this is something that really needs
to be paid attention to. For criminal activity.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Well, that's my point is that you know, if you've
been watching us for like the last four or five years,
you know, you got your case in New Mexico.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
You can go to Minnesota, you can go to Austin, Texas.
It's the same now Philadelphia, yourself insured, so they just pay.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
You're using it that they're getting insurance money's payouts. But
it's the same pattern in practice. And that's why that's
my that's why my talentans level is getting to where
it needs, you know, beyond repair. Because this has been
going on for quite some time. And you could tell
your story, Lits could tell her story. We can go

(44:31):
all over the country and it's the exact same story
with these prosecutors. White cop harms black guy, white cop
was racist. Pay George Zurosistar prosecutors say, yeah, you're right,
that white cop did use excessive force, that white cop

(44:51):
is racist.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Pay. It's none of the stories nowhere throughout this country.
It is different. If you can find one, show it
to me and out and out eatcro.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
It's a former racketeer. And like I said, you know
when I have attorneys in New Mexico contacting me, friends
of mine and that are you know, they don't want
to lay it out in front of me, but they're saying, Matt,
you really need to think about the money process and
start following the money. I would I think right now.

(45:27):
I think one of the most important things I would
really love to see investigated is you know this case, Brad,
you know what had returned to work, this thing labored
what is said in limbo or languished on the DA's
desk for almost two years before it was just randomly
just picked up. I wonder if there's a correlation between

(45:49):
when the civil attorney was hired and when a g
torres when it had a minion walk into the DA's
office and pull that aisle and say we're prosecuting this one.
Uh and cherry picked this case. I would like to
see someone investigate that criminal activity because I have a

(46:11):
feeling or just an anu windo, I have a theory
that there is a correlation between that law firm and
the attorney general and when that case.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Was called what Jacob's Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Yeah, we didn't seen that, Lacy.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I was thinking about Brad last week, John, I think
was last week was the week before we showed the
video and they made the guy look like Michael Brown
with the task on his head in the photo.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
But the guy who was tasted by the cop said God.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
And all this other kind of stuff because he was
all strung up, ended up knocking the cop out or
harming the cop is let's say his body one camera
was down for quite some time, stole the police car,
you know. But meanwhile, when you say say Brad shouldn't
have shot this guy while he was trying to get
the firearm.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
First, the taser and everything else, you know, this is
look what that got there.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
And the reason that may not be as bad news
as Brads is because the guy did harm the cop,
he did steal the police card, all that stuff. So
on a body warn camera flying down the street before
he grats because he ended up getting shot and killed two.
But they don't want to talk about that because it
would knock all that arguments out.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
So that it would also be evidence for Brad's case.
This is nonsense. And like you said, John, get back
to what you were saying. Yes, it's in Philadelphia, but
you can go down the list. You can call Liz Colin.
I'm sure she can find in Minneapolis.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
You know, you know, in Brad's case. Here all the
training records, Am I right? And correct me if I'm wrong, Lacy,
All the training records their own department policy, the new
Mexico DJ department policy for the use of lethal force.

(48:08):
It was not that misdmitted as evidence in court.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
So that doesn't make any sense. No, it's completely taking
around that because the legal precedence that this case sets
for every cop that works in the fifty states in
the US is going to be affected by this case.
And it's hard enough to teach an officer. As a
guy who did that, I actually taught officers and the

(48:33):
escalation and de escalation and what you should do. And
I mean, I can't even imagine the repercussions this case
what have across the fifty states because this is all
standardized training, it's all based on cases on case. So
I mean, I just can't get around that. I listen

(48:53):
to you guys talk. I mean, just that point alone,
I don't even know what they're telling you. The cops
out there right now.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, yeah, not only that, but they also not understanding Lot.
Didn't your chief get understanding Lot or someone else when
the trainers didn't. Maybe I'm confusing with.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
The George Ford case. That's a different case. Yeah, different case.
When they said that the nail and wasn't the same thing, right.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Lacy have you were interviewed by Liz Colin, weren't you?

Speaker 6 (49:23):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Okay, Well, that's what we're talking about, because the training
officer for the Minneapolis, Yes Police Department lied perjured herself. However,
Rald Torres wants to find.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
That I think this case they had a college professor,
a local college professor come on as your expert witness.

Speaker 8 (49:48):
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (49:49):
That was for the prosecution side. He is from Arizona.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
State that he had my background other than he's a
college professor and.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Is in his name white or something? Yeah? Doctor ooh
good lazy.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
Didn't they have someone associated with the George Foreman trial? Also?
Oh George George Floyd, my fa my bad. Not the Grill. Well,
I'm hungry.

Speaker 7 (50:16):
I haven't had a lookout for Hamburg right now.

Speaker 11 (50:20):
The grill one of our witnesses that we didn't know
at the time, but he did. He testified at the
George Floyd case and that they ended up bringing that up,
and I, you know, I had no idea. So by
the time we had figured that out.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
They were already put on the list and it was
too late to get anyone else.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
They're grabbing people that are beholding to them, if you
ask me, because they already know what the deal is.

Speaker 8 (50:44):
You know, what it comes down to is do we
want a civilized society or do we want chaos? Yeah,
and it's very simple. When you when you vilify our
law enforcement officers, when you vilify the people in our
community that are protected and serving, whether I mean firefighters,

(51:08):
law enforcement, any first responders, our political system is choosing
chaos over the rule of law. So society.

Speaker 11 (51:22):
I don't know if you heard, but our governor, our
lovely governor, she actually brought in the National Guard to
Albuquerque because the violence is so bad up there, and
that's where Taurus was a da.

Speaker 8 (51:34):
So they're just.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
He did a great job, didn't they.

Speaker 11 (51:39):
Our state is imploding and they're not doing anything about it.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
You know, it's they're they're.

Speaker 11 (51:45):
Prot innocent cobs and letting these triminals run free. That's
why we just had that shooting the other day, you know,
and then you look at Judge Conno what happened with him.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Our state is just it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
So how did that judge just happen to run across
a Bible tread.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
He went to home?

Speaker 6 (52:01):
People?

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Yeah, speak thought what was Brad Well? Brad was in
Doniana County? Uh, correctional center. Did the governor? Was it
during that time frame that the governor came out with
her new initiative where all convicted juveniles of murder?

Speaker 11 (52:28):
Yeah, that that ended up, so they were It was
called the homicide Scholarship.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
If you were a young criminal and you got you
wouldn't get any time. You would get what was it
two thousand a month and a full ride to school.
Thank god it didn't pass. I don't think it passed
the Senate.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
Our house, we thought it was crap. Just in their
bathtub when you're doing your all, who thinks of this.

Speaker 8 (52:57):
Crap homicide scholarship? Okay, welcome to the third world country.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Wow, So that's new Mexico.

Speaker 8 (53:10):
You know, ellens and chaos is celebrated and civilized society
and private property. Uh, the life to your unalienable rights, life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness no longer exist. One could

(53:30):
make the argument that every citizen constitutional rights are now
being violated by their own state government in that in
the state of New Mexico, because they're celebrating and criminals,
they're institutionalizing criminal behavior. It's unconscioable.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Wow, that's the whole state of New York for you.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Way for.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Harsh language.

Speaker 8 (54:00):
Maybe, yeah, his New York came out with a homicide scholarship.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yet I'm sure Kathy Hookle has decided to do something,
you know, I mean, sure might change it, change the name,
but that's apropos. I mean, the homicide scholarship. Jesus Jake.
Can you believe that.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
I listened to a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
That's the first I've heard of that with it you
heard of that makes you want to go commit murder?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Huh?

Speaker 8 (54:30):
What the heck do you get a free ride if
you do it?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
What?

Speaker 8 (54:34):
Fifteen sixteen years old?

Speaker 6 (54:35):
I mean, nothing to surprise us anymore now.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I mean, you know, every every state has a law
on the books protecting children. But but you got people
chopping off children's body parts and no one's saying the
word yeah, m you know, it's it's a shame that
you know, we allowed it to get to this point,
but we to stop it now or you know what

(55:00):
they say about shit, It just keeps rolling downhill. Didn't
We're gonna be in trouble.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Wow, We're already in trouble. I mean, I believe this
thing with Brad should have never seen the day of
the light of day.

Speaker 8 (55:17):
I mean, in a theory, in a sense, this is
just history repeating itself. And I apologize I'm a history nerd,
but going all the way back to our colonial times
and me being here from Virginia, uh and my connection
to that past. You know, one of the reasons why
we fought the revolutionary were because the under the King

(55:40):
George On the King of England, the judiciary branch was
tied to the executive branch there in their form of government,
and so the judges did the bidding of the executive office.
And we're seeing the repeat of history with judges with
their systems, doing the bidding of their political party when

(56:04):
they should not be associated with political parties. They should
be objective individuals. And you know, a g torres the
individual judges doing the bidding of their political ideology, the
bidding of their political leadership.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Matthew hole that thought. Can we have these guys come
back right after the break? Sure you guys have time, Okay,
so we're going to go to break bubble. Were right
back with Lacy and Matthew and our other special guests,
So stick with us. Okay, we're back. I did want

(56:45):
to mention that in regard to Berner, you know, if
you use a burner, you're not going to kill anybody.
It's non lethal self defense. And they just came out
with a compact the version of the launcher, so you
might want to take a look at that compact. So anyway,

(57:05):
to continue our discussion with Lacy Lundford and Matthew over
Street in regard to the hideous, politically motivated prosecution of
Officer Brad Lunford in New Mexico, and Uh, it's just appalling.
I mean, you can't I mean, like Jake said, and

(57:28):
like Matthew said, calling the uh New Mexico Attorney General's office,
it's probably are not going to do any good. But
they should know that you're pissed about it, you know. Uh,
you know I would call and say, hey, what the
hell are you doing? You know it's blatantly politically motivated. Uh.

(57:50):
The second step is to call the US District Department
of Justice and explain to them that you know, there's
a huge miscarriage of justice organized by rule Raoul Torres,
the former district attorney for Albuquerque, which has gotten to
ship and now New Mexico, which is equally going to ship.

(58:14):
So you know, I can't imagine what was going through
the uh, the minds of the law enforcement that showed
up for that shooting that you had out there at
that work.

Speaker 11 (58:25):
I mean, you know, they're they're amazing, and they ran
out there without a thought for themselves, and they they
did what they needed to do because that's what they're
supposed to do.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
That's what these auficers do every day.

Speaker 11 (58:37):
And now we know they can be charged for saving
their own life.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
And it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I'm unbelievable. There's a trial going on right now. And
if you listen to a star in Philadelphia regarding you know,
a bizarre set of circumstances where an attorney is telling
the mass shooting person what the hell to do? Right?

(59:06):
I mean, wasn't there a jake there was a negotiation
with the mass shooter.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It was while the guy was still shooting a hundreds
he was shooting a hundreds of officers. I mean, I
forgot how many officers were out there, but it was
it was a bunch six of them getting shot. One
of the officers, I think his name Sean Shawn's last
name Parker, he got you know, when I saw him,
he had grazed in the head by the assault rifle. Literally,

(59:34):
we all know a little bit too leftl right, he's dead. Meanwhile,
our illustrious district attorney was negotiating on the phone while
the guy was shooting at cops. He called a defense attorney.
Rether than the defense attorney reach out to the cops.

(59:54):
He knew he had a corrupt district attorney.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
So the defense attorney calls the Philadelphia district attorney while
the guys shooting at cops. Maurice Hill's the guy's name,
who's gonna try now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Negotiating a deal. Yeah, so we still got cops. Not
to mention, we had cops upstairs that was trapped. We
got cops outside that were getting shot at. He's negotiating
a twenty year deal by not letting any officer know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
He left the scene. I'll probably show you videos with
me and come at the hospital. And he got kicked out.
He leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
He gets on the phone with this defense attorney tries
to write a deal. He goes back to the district
attorney's office and tries to type up the deal. Now
you got the only place you can give it to
is the lawyer, because the guy who shooting the cops
don't have a fax machine and it is you know,
on location. So all this is going on, and that's

(01:00:53):
the type of mindset we got going on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
He didn't care whether twenty cops got killed that day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
He was gonna get this guy a twenty year deal
that I believe he's bound to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
The guy's going through trial now. He got several outs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
He was already promised by his defense attorney and the
district attorney of twenty years. So he's going through trial now.
If he gets not guilty, no harm, no file, he leaves.
If his defense attorney doesn't call his former defense attorney
and the district attorney and he gets fifty years, he's
going to appeal for ineffective council. If he gets the

(01:01:28):
sentence longer than twenty years, he's going to appeal for
ineffective counsel. So this guy's in a win win situation
because of these Zurals installed idiots. We got them all
over like I said, we got to Raoul.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
You know what JA brings up, and that brings up
a question though, what the hell was Roul Torres jewing
in China? He became and a district attorney at Albuquerque?
Was he was he a defense attorney?

Speaker 8 (01:01:58):
You know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Don't know was a defense attorney or public defender? They
all the same.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
And I have some judges that are friends of mine,
and like I said, some attorneys. And what what I've
recently learned that has just shocked me. When you graduate
from law school, the top of the class are recruited
by law firms. The bottom of the class are the

(01:02:28):
ones that start serving and are as public defenders as
DA's work their way through the system that become attorney
generals that our states are composed of inadequate in the
bottom of the class, the lowest ranked law students. And
I'm not saying that I would probably be there, but

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this is who composes of our state, do o Jason, Yeah,
I mean the lowest tier lawyer and that and that's
why we seen such comical stuff come out of their
office with motions where they're giving away the identity of
the juror you know of course all these documents are

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sealed now and stuff, but it was it was hilarious.
They accuse Lacy of certain activities. They're the ones that
actually did it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, they they you know, that's their playbook. They they,
you know, accuse you of what they're doing exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:03:31):
I don't even think. And I spoke to several people
that actually know knew the individuals that wrote these motions.
The what is it the deputy h a deputy attorney
general that wrote filed one of the motions, that wrote it,
and they said, oh, yeah, her light bulb is dim
that she probably didn't even realize what she did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah. I mean, my experience is, are good ones like
the assistant US attorneys I have had cases with, when
they get to the point where it's either they stick
around for political purposes so they can get promoted, or
they just say, screw this, I'm going to back to
my dad's law firm, because you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I mean, I'm gonna tell you something though, John Matthew,
and I'm sure Greg might hopefully Greg don't treat me
like the pope in a situation second this motion. But
we all know some good DA's and some good US
attorneys and who actually do it because they want to
do it and they seek it, and once they get
in and once they get their feet underneath them, they

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really go after these guys and they're they're they're really good,
and like a law enforcement officer, you have these zeros
people who attack got rid of all those good people
because some of these murders wouldn't be going to jail
for life if a lot of those DA's and a
usaas wasn't up for two three nights straight going through

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stuff that we've collected.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
Yeah, well, it's like here in Virginia, most of your
top aggressive, passionate commonwealth attorneys, they're not going to stick
around beyond ten years. They cannot tolerate the system beyond
ten years, right, and they go in they opened up
their private practice. I mean, I hate to say it, and.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
The dark side.

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):
To the dark side yea, my own personal legal team.
We won't get into that. Most of them all started
out as commonwealth attorneys and phenomenal individuals. But I think
it's a societal shift that we're seeing now that right out,

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you know, the top law students don't want to deal
with this, whereas other people paid their dues, you know,
earned their stripes, went worked, worked through the system and
learned one side and went to the other side, or
just you know, did a shift in their career in
ten years. I think we're seeing a societal shift where

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you know, people are just skipping that they don't want
to you know, they already know it's a corrupt system
that they're going to be fighting against, or you know,
they don't want to be tainted by what's like in
New Mexico's case, where you've got judges out there, uh,
partying around with illegal GAG members.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Yeah, exactly. Hey, so do we know if there's any
association between Raoul Tourres and the freaking civil attorney that
the tall blonde.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
So from what I've heard is if you're based in Albuquerque,
which he was, you you know everybody, you know, you're
friends with everybody, and you know, we have found proof
that she has donated to his campaigns before. I'm not
sure how friendly are We know we did IPRA stuff
from them, but guess who's in charge of ipra's for
New Mexico the Attorney General.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like the right to know law
or something. In Jake in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 6 (01:07:11):
Yeah, it's a small society when you get into this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
But I mean I like going against good defense attorneys,
the best, the top two defense attorneys in Pennsylvania and
is mcmonaga, Perry and me Shack and all those guys
used to be Ada's. They the ones who represented Bill
Kinsman everything else. You know, I love going up against
those guys. You know, it sharpens your skills when you're

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going up against the best. And also who knows your
playbook on the other side, because most of them when
they do go on the other side, they know, well, Jake,
you didn't fill out this.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
They know what box that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
You need to check, and they look for that little
paperwork era. But you also know you're going up against
those guys who's looking for that box not checked, or
this document not signed, or the Miranda card not it's
a whole bunch of it's good for don't I don't
mind going because the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Time, Lacy, your defense attorney now is who what's his name?

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
Matthew Chandler.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Okay, And he's done an awesome job.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Right, he's amazing. We love him.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
Did he used to be a prosecutor?

Speaker 5 (01:08:16):
He was, he was a DA he was. I mean,
he's he's done everything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
So yeah, wow, Well, so do we have any idea
of how long it'll be before the motion the AG's
frivolous motions are heard and should be dismissed.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Chandler's thinking.

Speaker 11 (01:08:38):
Chandler's thinking that we'll hear something June July maybe if
we're lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
So, oh jeez, well, that's you know what, you know,
we discussed this on a different case. What about the
You're causing Brad havenificant stress over this, you to have
significant stress over this and.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
The kids exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
So I mean, that's that's something that's another thing we're
going to have to deal with down the road. You know.
Right now, we're just focusing on this and getting him
free and getting this over and then yeah, if we
can do everybody, then.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
One of the time. But these morons don't realize that
they're creating victims through their frivolous bullshit political and.

Speaker 11 (01:09:33):
It's you know, it's not just our family, this is
every officer in New Mexico. Now they're going to hesitate
and someone's going to end up getting hurt because of
what he's doing. Our officers and their families are going
to suffer because of.

Speaker 8 (01:09:46):
Him, and not only that Lacy, as Greg clearly stated,
the training protocols are standardized nationwide, and this is going
to call officers to hesitate on all of our states
because now they everything they do is second guest, which

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it has been for white sometime. It's going and now
they know that their own state officials are going to
turn on them without any evidence and attempt prosecution regardless
of what protocols state, what their own policy states, or

(01:10:32):
what the evidence shows even and then you're gonna have
judges is in this case that doesn't allow evidence, the
very evidence that exonerates to be utilized in the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
H God, they can hire a bunch of old investigators
like us. And what the DOJ needs to do is
the only way you got to you gotta fight fire
with fire. We need a bunch of criminal works. We
can't keep allowing this stuff. We need a bunch of
criminal referrals. We need a bunch of investigations. We need
to have access to all that documents that they use

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runners in Brass case or any other case, and we
need to look into it. And if because it goes
back you talked about the colonial days Matthew. It goes
back to that document our founders. We wasn't stupid people.
That document is there, it's a great document. We need
to use the laws that's on the book, not become
crazy fanatics. Go after these people, and where we conduct

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a thorough and complete investigation, we lock them up. When
you find out that the Krasna or Rahul or Kim
Fox or George Zorros, any one of them, anyone to
violate the laws of this country. Some of them I
actually consider committed treason, like that Maryland Senator.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
I think that's a treacherous act.

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
But yes, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
You know that's my opinion. But I'm also an investigator.
So let's investigate. Let's get all the facts. And once
you put these people in jail for this rat tearing
outfit through a proper investigation, that's the only way this
is going to stop us. You're going to continue having
brass getting locked up in everything else, and we're going
to keep hearing strongly worded letters and we got to stop.

Speaker 8 (01:12:12):
Officers are being politically sacrificed at the yeahs of ideology.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
It's not the one of my shootings. An officer got shot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
After crabs are locked up an officer and the first
thing he said to him is Jake, I hesitated, and
that's gave to God a chance to turn around to
shoot me. And that's you know, yeah, because he just
locked cras, that just locked up that officer and you
had another officer got shot in the RM.

Speaker 6 (01:12:43):
I talked to him a few months ago. You know,
he's totally incapacity. That for us, it was like, Jake,
I hesitated, I gave this guy's chance to shoot me.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
I mean, I mean, what the what's the big problem.
The big problem is when you're trying to protect somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
We know they don always worry about with downrange and
everything like that job. But it's different when you're worrying
about going to jail. If me worrying about sh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
No, No, that's what I mean. You're you're the people
that you would be protecting on the street. Yes, you
know you're going to hesitate to protect them because somebody
wants to prosecute you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yes, and if you shoot them, you gotta worry. But
it's a case, a recent case within this last week.
It's under investigation of God did everything right, and they
investigated to see if.

Speaker 12 (01:13:33):
The one thing in New Mexico and some of our
law enforcement entities here in the state.

Speaker 8 (01:13:43):
Of Virginia have is the some agencies here in Virginia
they do not give their officers access to less than lethal.
In New Mexico, less than lethal is an option right
to even carry less than lethal. And so I'm not

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really sure where I'm trying to flesh this out. But
these officers, Brad in this case and the officer that
was essentially rendered to us, you know, being pummeled by
this criminal, they chose personally to carry less than lethal

(01:14:32):
options because they didn't want to have to use lethal right,
and yet that is used against them. It was used
against Brad in this case, you know, second guessing why
didn't you use less than lethal? You had it on you, you know,

(01:14:53):
And it's I'm trying to wrap my brain around it.
So I'm kind of spitballing here. I don't know if
y'all can y'all can speak from y'ell's experience.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
You know, when we watched the video, you could clearly
see that Brad was You could see he was calculating
in his mind what he had to do. His de
escalation techniques were awesome. I mean he was he was
very soft spoken. It was very obvious that the guy
wasn't going to cooperate.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
And then you could see the chess game that goes
on every one of our minds when we're confronted with
what's going to happen. And you can see Brad using
his left and right parameter this the minimum mount, the maximumount,
and then when the fight goes to the ground and
you can see what happens. And then those are very clear,
articulable actions that he was doing. And they were all

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very very textbooks textbook responses. So you know, there's there's
some things here. I mean, I don't want to talk
about processes, but you know these are obviously cesspool cities
that we're talking about here, because as the investigating off
us or, I just can't go arrest somebody. I can't

(01:16:03):
just go search somebody's house. I got to do an
affidavit of search and seizure. I got to do an
affidavit for an arrest. I use to usually typically a
US Attorney's office or a prosecutor a prosecutor's office. There's
always back and forth they go across my document. I
have the bona fides paragraph and then the probabill cause
statement and then they they get their buy in. They say, hey,

(01:16:26):
this judge that we're going to put this in front
of this isn't going to fly, you know, back and forth,
and then it goes in front of the judge and
then the judge will do his cut on it. And
then a lot of times they'll tell you how you
have to serve the warrant and when you have to
serve the warrant and kind of throwing in infinity case
here that we had a few weeks ago. Sometimes they

(01:16:46):
tell you you're you can only serve a warrant like after
six a m. You know, there's all these things that
go on, but unfortunately you have these cesspool cities that
everybody's in the same the same ship basket, and so
you have a judge signing off on this thing. The judge,
I mean, the judge should have actually looked at that
and said this is this is you know this you

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haven't met the bar for the rest here. There's so
many you know, not only talking about the review that
the police department did on their own selves. I mean,
there's just so many things that are going on here
that I would not want to work in Albuquerque. I
would not want to work in Philadelphia. I wouldn't want
to work in Minneapolis. And there's just no even handed

(01:17:29):
dealer anymore. Yet I had to deal with the Southern
District of Maryland and Northern District of Virginia, Baltimore City. Uh,
you know, it's but I gotta tell you it wasn't
that bad back then. There was still an even handed dealer,
you know. And and then you get into all this

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thing where you have this collusion between uh, the bar
and and these attorneys who have their own firms, and
it just it's just it's just what a mess. Sorry,
I'm being captain. Captain, No, that's actually perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I'm glad you brought some of these things up, because
you know, most of the time it's law enforcement officers
and sworing law enforcement. That's why we have to swear
out those documents that Greg was just talking about. And
so we always sit up here and say, oh, it's
the upper astnut. Well, Greg just said it. He's not
going to fill out that document. That's a fraustulent document.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
Basic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Unless you put all the facts in there to arrest Brad,
then Brad doesn't get locked up, or then it goes
to the prosecute, it goes to the judge. All those
processes got to take place, But it starts with someone
like us swearing out false facts. Yeah, because it doesn't
get to this level unless the false facts was sworn
out first. And why did you swear out the false facts?

(01:18:50):
Because of Raoul promise you a good gig or because
of this and that? No, sometimes we are own worst enemies.
And that's why Greg say doesn't work when the working
cesspool type, because a lot of this stuff goes on
and people worry about themselves until there the party tell
they're facing looking down the barrow of that gun.

Speaker 6 (01:19:11):
They wish they didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Let's just at least recap. So Raoul Torres's office or
Raoul Torres, Raoul who is the Attorney General of New Mexico,
uh thinks that perjury is protected by the First Amendment.

(01:19:34):
Am I right on that?

Speaker 7 (01:19:35):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yes, So Raoul uh Torres, Attorney General of New Mexico,
please join us, you know, find the time to explain
to us how perjury is protected as the First Amendment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Right, Well, John who was he had been perjured himself,
is he saying, the officer who swarked the affid David Is,
he says, don't want testified to perjury. Who's basically, maybe
you can tell me who purgeced them.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
It was one of the jurors, Yeah, one of the jors,
Which makes it I don't know, in my mind, it
just makes it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
So your judge screwed up, your prosecutor screwed up, your
cops screwed up, and you got a juror who's committing perjury.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
But not only that, they committed perjury twice. So they
committed perjury on the questionnaire. Then they committed perjury jurn
void air. So that's two times they committed a criminal activity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
So in my view, no one then steer a story
with this case. It wasn't, you know, just perjury. It
was intent.

Speaker 8 (01:20:45):
Absolutely and one and one could archarticulate intent intent to
commit a crime to persuade or convict or put to
manipulate our jury process to find a conviction for a
political motivation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I mean, yeah, I mean the whole thing is a
you know, it's a I don't know, I mean, it's
a miscarriage of the entire justice system when you have
that happened, and then you have an attorney general say
that you know, pertury is protected them. Unbelievable. Well, hey, listen,

(01:21:32):
Bill can the money. Yeah, the it's the Brad lunch
for Legal Defense Fund. So hey, if you listen to
any of us talk about this for the past couple
of months, you realize that this case is a disaster,
and it's a disaster from the prosecutorial side because they're

(01:21:56):
using it for political gain. I mean, uh, Officer Lunsford
did what he had to do. He was forced to
do what he had to do by the subject. They
killed himself. So you know, you know, try to do

(01:22:16):
what you can to uh, to donate to Brad's Legal
Defense fund so we can get this unscrewed as soon
as possible. Okay, Hey Lacy Matthew, great to see you again.
We'd love to have you back as it goes forward.
You know, we'll keep them gentlemen, as soon as there's

(01:22:41):
something happening, and we'll have you back if you can,
if you have the time.

Speaker 5 (01:22:45):
Okay, thank you guys, so so much.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Harvest, Yes, thanks much, guys, Thank you Michael. So we've
got you know, in addition to a h you know,
politically motivated prosecution of a law has been professional, you know,

(01:23:14):
for political gain. We also had January sixth, which it
was a politically motivated prosecution too. So we have a
special guest, mister Howard Richardson. Howard, can you hear me?

Speaker 7 (01:23:29):
I can.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Oh, that's great. Hey. So my understanding is that you
attended j six and that you were subsequently apprehended and
did some time and you were incarcerated. Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (01:23:46):
That's correct, sirs?

Speaker 6 (01:23:51):
Sir?

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
How long.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
Two years and eight months?

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Oh my god?

Speaker 8 (01:23:57):
So Howard, if you could please just being there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Oh god, can you go through that with us, from
the time that you get to the activities and Washington,
DC and then what happened?

Speaker 7 (01:24:15):
Okay, First of all, I was invited down to the
capital on January sixth, on December sixth, one month before,
and I was told by several groups and several individuals
that the words they commonly used were come on down
for the celebration, come down for the big party. Because
I knew what it was. It was the day the

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Electoral College certifies all the electoral votes for the candidates.
I mean, they probably already decided before the January sixth,
but that's when they formally announced them. So I went
down because I told they were finally going to get
it right that Trump did withdn't less because I knew.
I knew Frum Trump was totally frauded from that. It was.
He was told I personally witnessed major voter fraud and
I reported to the to the proper authorities. And I

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can go into that great detail. But that's why I
went out, because I was coming down from the big celebration.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
I understand. I'm mister Richardson. You are from Montgomery County
in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
Oh okay, correct, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Yeah, there's significant.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
Part.

Speaker 6 (01:25:24):
What part Howard? When lo Maria.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Upper Upper Upper Maria?

Speaker 6 (01:25:33):
Okay, I know exact you're talking about. Okay, we're showing up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Can you see the screen, Howard? Can you see the screen?

Speaker 7 (01:25:42):
Can I see a screen?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Can you see our screen?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:25:47):
I can do. I have my cell phone.

Speaker 6 (01:25:49):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
We're showing a picture of you with a blue windbreaker on.

Speaker 7 (01:25:57):
Right, wind breaker yep, blue and green win breaker.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Okay, so you attended there were articles that were you know,
were coming out that weren't kind to you. Obviously. One
of them says that Montgomery County man charged with assaulting
officers at US Capital wrote in a journal about his
involvement in the January sixth the riot. So you know,

(01:26:23):
King of Prussia man sentenced for attacking police officer at
Capitol during January sixth insurrection. I mean that's not accurate, right,
I mean, they're.

Speaker 7 (01:26:32):
Not okay, all right, let me tell you what happened.
I swung at a police officer after they pepper sprayed
me two times. I don't know if you've ever been
pepper sprayed, but I've never been peper spray. And it
was awful and it was painful, and I lost my
temper the second time, and the second time they started
peper spray, and again I'm like, I'm standing there and
I'm saying, what are you guys doing? We're just standing here.

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And I had this little dinky one thirty second of
an inch of an inch aluminum flag pull my hand.
Ten seconds before that I didn't, and afterwards I had
to use for it. If if it had happened ten
seconds earlier, I wouldn't have the flag pole in my hand.
But when they started pepper seria the second time, and
I had the flag pole in my hand I swung
at the police officer. And let me tell you something.
This little flag pole I couldn't have heard, I couldn't

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have hurt a baby with it. When I swung at him.
It came down and hit the ground and it broke
in half. So it was a total farce that I
was carrying a you know what, what do you want
to call it? A belief and weapon or whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Okay, So I see in one of these articles that
one of these articles they have eighty five. I didn't
realize that eighty five Pennsylvanians were charged in the alleged insurrection.

Speaker 7 (01:27:46):
I know there's a number of them. I mean, I've
met a handful of them, but I know exactly what
the number was. But if I may, if I may, sir,
I will explain to you in one sentence, in one minute,
how political it was. How how many people go to
jail for trust passing? Answer that question for me if
he can. Yeah, it's a rhetorical question. I know the answer.

(01:28:08):
Nobody for trust passing, unless it's fifteen times they've been
caught for trust passing. Here's how it works. In the courtroom.
The court, the judge says, sir, you've pleaded guilty to
trust passing. That'll be a fifty dollars fine or sixty
whatever it's going to be, or you can go to
jail for ten days. He reached in his pocket. He
pays the fifty dollars fine. Nobody goes to jail trust back.
I talked to numerous officers, my son to a police officer.

(01:28:31):
He said, Dad, nobody goes to jail for trustplace and
they paid a fine. Over one hundred and fifty people
did jail time from January sixth, one hundred and fifty
of the jail time for trust passing, for something nobody
goes to jail for and does time for in a
public place where we're at public place that we the
citizens own. That shows you right there, right there, how

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political it was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Yeah, that's for sure, Howard. So now your son is
a is a Philadelphia police officer or he.

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
Is you fill it up the police officer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah, okay, yeah, great, okay, So so they how did
they did they arrest you?

Speaker 6 (01:29:15):
At the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
When did that?

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
It wasn't easy for them because I've never been arrested.
So I had no record, no place, no nothing to
look for. Ten months later, they showed up up my
door with a search warrant, and here's I'll tell you
how it went down. They said, are you Howard Rich
And I said yes. He said, you're under arrest. Well, no,
we have a search warrant. We have a search one.
So what are you looking for? And then really they

(01:29:41):
didn't tell me really what it was up front. I said, sir,
you can't go in the house without a search warrant.
If you've got a search one, you got to show
it to me. So they said, okay, well, we're looking
for these clothes that we think you wore down at
the Capitol. I said, so are you trying to validate Well,
ither I was at the Capitol or not? He said,
he goes well, I said, yeah, you are. I said, well,
let me tell you what I I was there. What's

(01:30:02):
the big deal? What did I do wrong? So it
took me down to the township building and they showed
this little film from a body cam that shows me
swinging my flag pole. I never hit the officer. It
shows me swinging my flagpole at him, and like I
told you, when I swung it at him, and when
I when I on the downward end of my of
my swing my flagpool hit the ground and it broke
in half, which is a little dinky flagpole. I paid

(01:30:24):
six dollars for it, one thirty second of an inch
illuminial flagpole. I couldn't hurt anybody with this thing, And
for that I got almost four years in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Oh my god. Okay, So who executed the search warrant?

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
Was it the Bureau ATBI?

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Yeah? Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:30:45):
They showed me the badge all that I saw the
one one guy kind of showed me, you know, quick
look at his badge authentication. He was with the FBI,
but I was. I was right up front about him
trying to identify me as a guy was at the Capitol.
I said, because if that's the case, I'll tell you
right now. Yeah I was there. What's the big deal.
I didn't do anything, but I wasn't aware of actually
done anything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
What was What time did they What time did they
approach your residence?

Speaker 7 (01:31:12):
They were they were My wife and I were on vacation.
We pulled in about one one fifteen on Monday afternoon,
and within ten seconds that you know, I was the
building was surrounded by about ten officers that were just
lying around them, waiting I guess. I know they couldn't
know where I was at. I mean, there's no way
they could have known. He walked up and said you

(01:31:32):
are you how a rich and I said I said yes,
And he said, we have a search wanted to check
your house. I said, who are you ATBI? The guy
showed me, said she gave me a real quick glimpse
of the badge or whatever, and I said, well, what
are you looking for? He kind of had and hauled
and I said, well he was hesitantd So are you
trying to verify something that they were trying to verify
what you were wearing down at the Capitol if you

(01:31:54):
were there, I said, I was there, so I can
tell you right now. I was there. I wasn't afraid
to take it, do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
So as a result of the search warrant, they seized
your blue and green windbreaker. Yes, did they see anything else?

Speaker 7 (01:32:14):
What hoped? Whatever they see was it was nothing of consequence.
About a month later and I was out of town
and they came back with an arrest warrant. This time
and I was out of town and my wife called
me and she said blah blah blah, and I said, okay,
and then he minute, if that my lawyer called me.
He told me exactly what to do and all that.

(01:32:35):
So he said, you know what he told me to do,
and I the next morning I went down to h
down into Philadelphine and I turned myself into the SPI office.
Their forw an arch and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Right, okay, so what were the charges?

Speaker 7 (01:32:51):
Aggravated assault and and and basically basically trust pressing and
carrying a dangerous weapon my little diggy flagpole ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Yeah, so okay, so they so you self surrender in Philly, Yes, okay.

Speaker 7 (01:33:12):
The next morning went down to it's fourth in Arts.
I know it very well. Like I said, yeah, I
was going to be a police officer. My son is one.
I went. I knew exactly where to go, turned myself
in and I never ever came home again until until
two years and eight months later. Because they did. They
showed up the whole thing. I had bond. The judge
denied me bond. I mean, it was it was terrible

(01:33:34):
what they didn't do, hardly anything. The only guy that
did anything right was the first FBI guy I talked to.
Was very professional, very nice, and very polite and all that.
But the rest of them. They didn't do anything right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Yeah, who what What was the name of the judge
you had.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
Judge Lurette. That's the judge I was supposed to see that.
I had bond with my lawyer the day before, who
had told me to self surrender that He said, I
howard to worry about it. We're going to fight this.
I I got barn posted for you don't have to
put any thing up, just going tomorrow morning, self surrender.
You get, you get a little quick hearing in front
of the judge, and then you tell me you plead
not guilty. Come on home, We're gonna fight this thing.

(01:34:10):
I never ever got home because I never got to
check that. I never got to speak to Judge Lorette.
Judge Lurette, I spoke to the judges. You were so biased.
Let me tell you this, the judges were so biased.
Not to Judge Lette. I never got to speak to him.
I did speak to him, but he he was very
he was very apologetic. He called me the next day.
He called me while I was at death jail there

(01:34:30):
in fourth and Orange, and he said, mister Richardson, I'm
very sorry what happened. Uh. We had a schnapper, blah
blah blah. We'll get to all work out. Spoke to
you all fixed and done by Friday. Well again, Judge
Lurette was not available and never saw. But another judge
came on a scene, and this judge was clearly biased.
It was a it was a zoom hearing. So I'm gonna,

(01:34:51):
I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna sell I'm you know,
I'm in Philadelphia and I'm being having this conversation to this,
you know, the little video, this little monitor or whatever.
And I think and my lawyer is his face is
in the corner of the screen. While the judge didn't
know this, he felt the mic was off. The mic
wasn't off. And he started talking and I'm gonna tell

(01:35:12):
you what he said. He said, that was one of
the worst things I've ever seen. Those people should all
be arrested. That was tough. He went off for about
twenty seconds, which doesn't sound very long when you're sitting
there and you can't interact, and here's somebody ran for
about twenty seconds. It's a long time. He was clearly biased.
I'm yelling at the screen, yelling at my lawyer said,
you know, Tom, Tom, this guy's biased. Come on, he's biased. Yeah,

(01:35:36):
and sure enough he did it. He denied me bond.
I stayed in. I had a fight and fight and fighting.
Bottom line is I came home two years and eight
months later. Oh god, the system.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
So they.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Okay, so they charge you with those two offenses.

Speaker 6 (01:35:58):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Your attorney looked at it and what did you what
was the disposition? Did you plead guilt? Did you have
to plead guilty of those?

Speaker 7 (01:36:09):
I really said? He said to me. He said, Howard,
we can win this, but we probably won't even this
is in January. I think it was late January. It
doesn't really matter. I know it was in January. He said, Howard,
I know we can win this case. Okay, I know
what they did wrong, so and so forth. He said,
we probably won't even go to trial till November. This

(01:36:29):
is December. I'm sorry, yeah, but no, it was January January.
I said, Tom, are you saying I got a jail
for ten eleven months?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:36:38):
And I said, Tom, Toms, that's not no, that can't work.
He said, you gotta do something else. Long story short,
we did a plea deal and Tom was trying to
get me time served and bring me home. Well, after
several months, I've been reviewing the case for ninety days.
What a load of crabs. I finally went before the

(01:37:00):
judge in DC for my sentencing, okay, and the judge
had a recommendation chart. The recommendation chart started at thirty
two months, and we went up to forty six months.
I had already been in jail for nine months, nine months,
or maybe it was eight months. I'm sure eight or

(01:37:20):
nine months. And the judge I played what I had
to say. My lawyer got up and said what he
had to say, but all the judge heard was what
the prosecuting attorney said, and che didn hear a word
we said. And she went to the top of the
chart and gave me forty six months.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 7 (01:37:39):
Yeah, that's okay, that's okay. It was. It was for
a good reason. Everybody. Now, of course, this country is
finding out how corrupt the DOJ and the FBI are.
And I'm happy to say, believe me, sir, when I
say this, I would have never said that about the FBI.
I always had the high regard for the fact. Like
I said, I was going to be a police officer
a long, long time time ago. My son is a

(01:38:01):
police officer. But as I've seen it lit the last year,
is probably studying under the Obama administration. I've seen with
the DOJ and the FBI have done and they are
corrupt as a Vladimir Putin or whatever. They're corrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Well, I can tell you you're speaking to a group
of a former law enforcement that retired law enforcement that
don't necessarily hold them in high regard for what they
did prior to that.

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
So what did you plead to the forty two month variety, Howard,
what did you plead to?

Speaker 7 (01:38:40):
I pled to. I ended up pleading down from aggravate
assault to simple assault and all the other charge of
jobs I was. I was like, my plea deal was
down to one charge, simple assault, which my son said
that is usually like a few months. He gave me
forty six months. Listen, folks, this is all about Trump.

(01:39:00):
This is all about Trump, about them trying to get Trump.
That's what it's about. Yeah, I've already spoken one hundred
thousand of people. This is what it's about. They want
they just they want this guy in the worst way.
I mean to come on, they tried to kill them
a couple of times. I mean, it's just pretty obvious
what's going on.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Well, we agree. Let me ask you this. So when
you put it the simple thought, they said it was
forty two months, and you had these judges.

Speaker 7 (01:39:29):
Forty six months.

Speaker 6 (01:39:31):
Forty six months, just wow, this out four you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
What do you think about these politicians now arguing due
process for the gang members?

Speaker 7 (01:39:43):
Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Yeah, I mean like that, what do you think? Yeah,
when you talk about your I mean simple as thought.
Your son is right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Now the agg I can see you're getting you know,
maybe because that's a family that's a little different, you know,
but the simple saw the under the federal guidelines, and
I think the state guidelines is a misdemeanor.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
So so they gave you almost four years because they
do it in months in the federal federal system for
simple assault. And you had already served.

Speaker 7 (01:40:19):
Nine months, already served nine months when the judge said
those words, I already been in jail about nine months.

Speaker 6 (01:40:25):
So you thought you were going home.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
So your lawyer probably said, okay, Tom.

Speaker 7 (01:40:30):
Said to me, my lawyer, Tom said, don't worry, Howard,
You're gonna be we're out today, said because there's no
way he's going to put you in jail. Fame on,
you've already been in jail for nine months. Blah blah blah.
The judge basically the proverbials to the book.

Speaker 6 (01:40:43):
At me, Tom, Who, Wo's your attorney?

Speaker 7 (01:40:46):
Tom?

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Who?

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
Judge grad, who's your attorney? Tom?

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
Who?

Speaker 7 (01:40:53):
Tom?

Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
Yes, you said Tom Who? What's his last name?

Speaker 7 (01:40:57):
Thomas Thomas name, that's my that's my lawyer's first name.

Speaker 6 (01:41:00):
Oh okay. I was trying to see if I knew him.

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
Tom was a person who's done legal matters for several
members of my family. I didn't know that when I
came across him, so I felt good, you know, hiring him.
But yeah, this is Tom was a little bit in
over his head. In the federal matter, he was he
was a good local attorney, I think. But in the
federal thing, the prosecuting attorney, what is your first name?

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
Who made Jake?

Speaker 7 (01:41:31):
Okay? Jake Jake? The prosecuting attorney made me out to
be a career criminal, somebody who's never been arrested. He
was bringing up all kinds of stuff, and I'm looking
at my Tom, my lawyer Tom. I was saying sen
to this guy. I even said to my Tom, Tom,
my lawyer, once I said I said in court, I said,
who's he talking about? He made me out to be

(01:41:51):
a career criminal. They just wanted to get Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
I think your your attorney, Tom. It's not that he
you know, he functions well at the local level, and
he probably functions well at the federal level too, but
he's fighting corruption. Yeah, you know what I mean, at
the corruption at the at the federal level that you know,

(01:42:17):
they do whatever the hell they want to do, regardless
of what he says.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Because I could go one good criminal defense attorney with
the first name Tom in Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
That's why I was asking for his last name. It
didn't sound like this was the one.

Speaker 7 (01:42:31):
Yeah, I'm sorry, are you are you talking to me?

Speaker 6 (01:42:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
I was.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
I only know of one good criminal defense attorney with
the first name Tom.

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
Well, I mean, how refer to me, like I said,
any vertict? Did he notice? He had actually done some
legal work for some other members of my family, And
that's not why I hired him. I just learned about
the inadvertent way to conversation. So I have no regrets
what Tom did. Like I said, Tom I think was
just he was dealing with a bunch of people that

(01:43:03):
were corrupt.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
And just yeah, exactly, so they cart you off to well,
where are you incarcuted at? Anyway? I was in.

Speaker 7 (01:43:14):
I stayed there in Philadelphia there for twenty seven days,
and on the twenty eighth day, which was actually the
twenty eighth of December, they shipped me down to Virginia
in a place called Warsaw, Virginia, at a place called
Northern Neck Regional Jail or state jail. But the facilities

(01:43:36):
there were also holding a lot of federal prisoners because
there it was close because it was close to DC.
For Warsaw, Virginia, it's only like an hour or something
like that from DC something like that. And there was
a big prison, and he had some federal prison and
they had a lot of j sixers. Then they had
maybe a good twenty thirty of them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Did you have it?

Speaker 7 (01:43:59):
Therefore? I stayed there for uh were saw amazon here
about eight months and then and I'll call my sons.
In August twenty seventh, uh September twentieth. September twentieth, they
showed me to FCI Schoogl right here in Pennsylvania, it's
up by Minersville. Oh yeah, one exactly, Super County, Scoogal County.

Speaker 6 (01:44:25):
Why why they send to a state prison?

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
Yeah though, well no, FCI school was a federal prison.
Oh that's right, that's federal prison. It's a medium meeting
security prison.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
So we're there, and while you were incarcerated, do you
have a chance to talk to the other J sixers
or not?

Speaker 6 (01:44:47):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:44:47):
Yeah, sure. There wasn't that many of them there. I
think the whole time I was there, there was a
total of four of us. They I think they were
They purposely tried to keep the Jay sitchers not you
know in you know, try to keep him separated for
whatever reason. But there were a few guys there that,
like I said that, you know, I was able to
talk to regularly, and actually one of my became a

(01:45:08):
very good friend with.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
That. Wouldn't happen to be Adam, would it?

Speaker 7 (01:45:16):
No? Adham kind of about six foot one with dork hair, right, Yes, No,
I know who you're talking about. I know who. I
met him. I met him in watching d C. I
just I just met him about I met him he
was in DC about three weeks ago, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Yes, exactly, yep, I know he's trying to help Jay six.

Speaker 7 (01:45:37):
Ers, you know, I know he's said he's doing what
he can do. He's he's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Yeah. So, I mean, can you summarize your experience with
the corrupt justice system in a few sentences?

Speaker 7 (01:45:57):
Do you think, Yeah, well, this system, I think it's
a it's a a mirror system of the inmate and
the incarceration system. The problem with the whole BOP system
is it's so largely unaccountable. And I don't know why

(01:46:17):
the BOP or the DOJ or the FBI is so unaccountable.
But that's the biggest thing. I saw, this whole thing.
There were too many people who had too much range,
too much freedom, too much power, and therefore too much
of potentiality to abuse the power. That's the way I
see it, and I know because I lived it, and

(01:46:38):
not just me. I interviewed over thirty three people up
with Spook. I interviewed them and asked about the whole system,
the prison system, the court system, and virtually every one
of them said, I knew when I walked into court room,
I was I was not going to I was going
to go to jail. I knew I was going to
go to and you know the conviction rate for January
sixth with with the people that were you know, were

(01:47:00):
locked up, it's like ninety eight point five. Right, Yeah, ridiculous.
It's all about Trump. It's all about Trump. They just
want to get this guy. They want to get him there.
Look what they're doing today. Look look what they've been
doing for less.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Year and yeah, exactly. We started off by uh today
by Jake commenting on the UH you know, the assassination
attabs haven't been resolved. Do we have any real information
on that?

Speaker 7 (01:47:29):
You know what that we we a uh, let me
play some guys. I was in the Army and I
had a little little something about security because when I
was in the Army, my job was to monitor and
surveil people. So I don't know everything about security, but
security is something I understand more than most people. And

(01:47:49):
that that thing out there in Butler, PA. What the
Secret Service and the State Police and whoever else was
involved there did that. There were so many oversights in there.
There were so many glitches. I mean, it's you. You
would have to you have to come to conclusion that
it was a setup that they were they were because
there was so many mistakes and this would buy the
secret service in the state Police.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
It wasn't quitches and oversized coward right brains blown out
on Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
It was atworks.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Just like all of you guys are locked up on
Jay six ers. It's ridiculous and it comes time where.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
What are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
And you spent two years eight months in jail, What
are you gonna do when this next term is over
and we do do nothing about what's been done in
the past.

Speaker 6 (01:48:39):
What are you gonna do? Then?

Speaker 7 (01:48:41):
Well, I there are things being done. There's guys like
you mentioned was named Adam. Yeah, you guys like him,
Brian Mock. I think there's uh Ryan's zinc zinc trying
to think something. Really, there's a whole bunch of guys
that are really pushing for certain things to be done.
And one of the done is recompense. My I had

(01:49:02):
my own company for I started my own company nineteen
seventy seven. I was seventy four years old. Wow, my business.
I had to run my business. She had to run
her business by herself. She had to run the house
by herself. We have a dog. She was helping her.
Her daughter was her baby daughter. Because her baby daughter
was having issies. My wife was completely overwhelmed. They heard her,

(01:49:26):
then she's the one that suffered, not me.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yeah, hey, I want you to her.

Speaker 7 (01:49:34):
I was talking just about me. Guys. This isn't you know,
boohoo for Howard. This is a lot of people were
putting in a big financial position similar to what they
put me to it because inadvertently, you know, I I
my boice had to take over my business. She didn't.
She didn't really know what she was doing. I had
I called her every day telling her to.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
Do this, do that, do that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:53):
I was talking. I was managing, micro managing the business
from prison because she Look, all I know is I
want recompense. These people burned me, and they burned a
lot of And also here's my motto. Here's my motto. Guys,
if we can give billions to Ukraine, we can give
millions to the j sixers.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Yeah, agreed. I just wanted to mention. We have some
comments from Alberta, Canada, uh, and they're saying that they
still have political prisoners jailed by the Trudeau government after
the Trucker's god boy, and that is uh corrupt.

Speaker 6 (01:50:33):
So you know, it's funny like, how was that? And
still all connected to Trump? Were you going to Canada?

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Yeah, well it's a w I tell people do all
the time.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
Like I said, I might have said this, maybe I didn't.
I already spoken to many, many thousands of people, talk radio, live, zoom,
all kinds of venues for getting, you know, people a message. Okay,
I've already to talk to many men, any people. They
flew me down to Mississippi. I talked down in Florida,
I talked down in Baltimore. They want me to go

(01:51:05):
to Texas. I've spoken all around the area here in
the Philadelphia area. Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line.
It says in a very valued and highly regarded document.

Speaker 6 (01:51:17):
It's called the.

Speaker 7 (01:51:17):
Declaration of Independence. And here's what it says. I'm going
to paraphrase a little bit, but here's the bottom line.
In the third, fourth, and fifth and sixth paragraphs, here's
what it says you as a free person that has
a say or I'm trying to think of the exact wordage,
but basically, what it's saying is if you are involved
in the development, the depreach, the process the building of

(01:51:41):
your country, in other words, by voting and you're a
free person and you have the ability to vote and
say who is involved in your government, who's going to
be doing this and doing that that When those people
abuse their authority, okay, you have the right, you have
the duty to throw them out. That's what it says

(01:52:03):
in the Declaration of Independence. And I'm not descriising anything.
I'm not halfway saying it. That actually needs to be happening.
These people are so on the captal. That's why they
hate Trump. That's why Trump's doing what he's doing, because
they're so bad. All right, Look, I've known since ninety seven.
Well I'm I have followed the government, you know, Off
and Allswins that was in the army because the government

(01:52:24):
was so stupid back then. I kept cabs it. I
remember nineteen ninety seven there was this thing about the
GAO investigating the government's purchases like that, and they did
you know the disclosure of the government was paying twenty
seven dollars for a hammer. This is in nineteen ninety seventh,
when you can buy a hammer for three bucks or
five bucks. Yeah, here's the government pay dollars? Does the government?

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Yeah, Howard, we have to wrap but we really appreciate
you taking that time to be with us, and we'd
love to have you.

Speaker 7 (01:52:57):
I really apple the venue.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
We'd love to have you on when we can see
it too.

Speaker 7 (01:53:05):
So well, I can make it work. I'm happy to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Okay, Well, we'll be in touch. We'll be in touch. Hey, listen,
I really appreciate that. Great taking the time.

Speaker 7 (01:53:15):
Thank you very much, thank you, thank you. I got
lots of said.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
I'd love to do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Sir. We'd like to have
you back.

Speaker 7 (01:53:23):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Yep, hey, we got to wrap guys. So thanks Greg,
Thanks Jake

Speaker 6 (01:53:30):
See Greg, see you John

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